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Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168 (386) 478-1861 fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861 This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires from them on their website: 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered 2. They double billed my card for the same one order 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times, and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine. After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them. The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for them due to failure to respond to complaints. Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money. |
"tph" wrote: This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ In cases like this you should be able to get the credit card company to reverse the charges. Thanks for the "heads up." |
but he replied to my e-mail within a day of my original Usenet posting. Here is a little e-mail exchange: --- helpdesk@airfreetires.com wrote: > often times people get thier money back by disputing the charges > with > thier credit card company. Spewing venom may feel good for the > short > term but doesn't solve anything. If you are looking for a refund > then > fine, but before you write things you may later regret make sure > you > have checked your options. If you aren't satisified with your > customer > experience then yours will prove to be an isolated experience but > you > can still get your refund via your credit card. Companies make > mistakes > but your actions border on malicious. > > Hugh > My reply: I truly cannot believe you replied to me after 5 months of sending e-mails which you ignored. And after at least 15 answering machine messages which you also ignored. And, now, your answer is basically, get a refund thru your bank if you want. I have read your postings about the wonderful integrity of your company, Hugh, so why don't you prove it and REFUND my money??? And, if my experience is an "isolated" one, why does the South Florida Better Business Bureau have an unsatisfactory rating for you? I did not make that up, I can forward you their e-mail. Why don't you provide refunds to unsatisfied customers? Why don't you EVER answer your phone and respond to complaints? I cannot believe after months of trying, the only response from you is to accuse me of being malicious... Do you deny double billing my credit card? Do you deny NEVER sending me the merchandise I PAID FOR?? You say "companies make mistakes"... sorry, Hugh, this is more than a mistake, it is a rip-off. Are you admitting a mistake? If so, then why should I have to go through my bank to get a refund? Prove me wrong, Hugh...go ahead and refund my money. I regret NOTHING I have written, because it's the truth. BTW, you owe me $200.55. My next "option" is small claims court... |
> > > Prove me wrong, Hugh...go ahead and refund my money. I regret NOTHING > I have written, because it's the truth. BTW, you owe me $200.55. My > next "option" is small claims court... Go file in small claims court. When I filed against a woman who pushed a shopping cart into the side of my car, the next thing I knew, I got a letter from the Judge Judy television show wanting to pay my way to California to appear on the television show. Evidently, the show gives the local clerks bonus money if they forward interesting claims to Judge Judy. I would have gone, too, but the woman refused (I still won in local court, though). Pat in TX |
> Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168 > (386) 478-1861 fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861 > > This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires > from them on their website: > > 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered > 2. They double billed my card for the same one order > 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me > > I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times, > and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine. > After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them. > The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for > them due to failure to respond to complaints. > > Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money. Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams involving airfree tyres. They're total crap anyway - Mr Dunlop got it right all those years ago. |
> tph wrote: > >> Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168 (386) 478-1861 >> fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861 >> This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires >> from them on their website: >> 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered >> 2. They double billed my card for the same one order >> 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me >> I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times, >> and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine. >> After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them. >> The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for >> them due to failure to respond to complaints. >> Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money. > > Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams > involving airfree tyres. They're total crap anyway - Mr Dunlop got it > right all those years ago. Apparently these ones are also rubber-free. The emperor has no clothes. -- Benjamin Lewis I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover |
>Zog The Undeniable wrote: > >> tph wrote: >> >>> Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168 (386) 478-1861 >>> fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861 >>> This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires >>> from them on their website: >>> 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered >>> 2. They double billed my card for the same one order >>> 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me >>> I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times, >>> and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine. >>> After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them. >>> The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for >>> them due to failure to respond to complaints. >>> Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money. >> >> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams >> involving airfree tyres. They're total crap anyway - Mr Dunlop got it >> right all those years ago. > >Apparently these ones are also rubber-free. Keyboard! |
> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:49:58 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> > wrote: >> Zog The Undeniable wrote: >>> >>> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams >>> involving airfree tyres. They're total crap anyway - Mr Dunlop got it >>> right all those years ago. >> >> Apparently these ones are also rubber-free. > > Keyboard! I don't get it... -- Benjamin Lewis I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover |
>mrn1981@candern.com wrote: > >> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:49:58 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> >> wrote: >>> Zog The Undeniable wrote: >>>> >>>> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams >>>> involving airfree tyres. They're total crap anyway - Mr Dunlop got it >>>> right all those years ago. >>> >>> Apparently these ones are also rubber-free. >> >> Keyboard! > >I don't get it... Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee. Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's just a sort of compliment. |
>On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:13:20 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> wrote: > >>mrn1981@candern.com wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:49:58 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> >>> wrote: >>>> Zog The Undeniable wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams >>>>> involving airfree tyres. They're total crap anyway - Mr Dunlop got it >>>>> right all those years ago. >>>> >>>> Apparently these ones are also rubber-free. >>> >>> Keyboard! >> >>I don't get it... > >Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really makes you >LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has caused you to ruin your >keyboard by spraying it with coffee. > >Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's just a sort >of compliment. rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for that; in news.admin.net-abuse.email, the [C&C] tag warning of humorous content is known (C&C = "Cats and Coffee Warning, put both in a safe place before reading"), and in alt.callahans the acts of spraying the monitor with coffee (or beverage of your choice) is called "kittening", for reasons that would take too long to explain. Analogous customs exist in other newsgroups. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
wrote: > >Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168 >(386) 478-1861 fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861 Florida. It figures. (I used to live in Florida. Commercially, much of it makes Mos Eisley look like the Vatican. Boca Raton, in particular, is recognized as the spam capitol of the planet. The most common business model in Florida is "grab the cash and run.") -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
> Florida. It figures. (I used to live in Florida. Commercially, much > of it makes Mos Eisley look like the Vatican. Boca Raton, in > particular, is recognized as the spam capitol of the planet. The most > common business model in Florida is "grab the cash and run.") "Boca Raton" sounds better in Spanish, but I prefer to refer to it by the English translation: "Rat Mouth, Florida." Sheldon "Translator" Brown +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ |
<captbike@sheldonbrown.com > wrote: >Werehatrack wrote: > >> Florida. It figures. (I used to live in Florida. Commercially, much >> of it makes Mos Eisley look like the Vatican. Boca Raton, in >> particular, is recognized as the spam capitol of the planet. The most >> common business model in Florida is "grab the cash and run.") > >"Boca Raton" sounds better in Spanish, but I prefer to refer to it by >the English translation: "Rat Mouth, Florida." Idiomatically, in Spanish, "raton" is "mouse", and rat is "rata", but... "Boca Raton" been misrepresented as "rat's mouth" in so many places for so long that it's like "there's a sucker born every minute"; even though PT Barnum never said it, the attribution now belongs to him by popular acclamation...and even though Boca Raton means "mouth mouse" in a correct Spanish-English translation, in the US it is "rat's mouth" in the mind of the public. I've been there. IMNSHO, it has earned the appellation. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:36:39 GMT, mrn1981@candern.com (Muttley) wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:13:20 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> >>> mrn1981@candern.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Keyboard! >>> >>> I don't get it... >> >> Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really >> makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has >> caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee. >> >> Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's just >> a sort of compliment. > > rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for > that; That because, aside from the occasional zinger from Jobst, we're a fairly humourless bunch over here. However, I note that this is also cross-posted to .misc and .soc. -- Benjamin Lewis I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover |
wrote: >rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net wrote: >> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:36:39 GMT, mrn1981@candern.com (Muttley) wrote: >>> Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really >>> makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has >>> caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee. >>> >>> Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's just >>> a sort of compliment. >> >> rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for >> that; > >That because, aside from the occasional zinger from Jobst, we're a fairly >humourless bunch over here. "Zingers from Jobst"... Yeah. Right. Good thing I wasn't scritching the cat when I read *that* line. And Barraged On Chestnut, or whatever his name is, cannot be credibly accused of being humorless. -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
> >>>> > >>>> Keyboard! > >>> > >>> I don't get it... > >> > >> Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really > >> makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has > >> caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee. > > > > rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for > > that; > > That because, aside from the occasional zinger from Jobst, we're a fairly > humourless bunch over here. > > However, I note that this is also cross-posted to .misc and .soc. > Over here in .misc, we're into trolls, politics and helmet wars these days. |
> "Benjamin Lewis" <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> wrote in message > >>>>>>Keyboard! >>>>> >>>>>I don't get it... >>>> >>>>Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really >>>>makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has >>>>caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee. >>> >>>rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for >>>that; >> >>That because, aside from the occasional zinger from Jobst, we're a fairly >>humourless bunch over here. >> >>However, I note that this is also cross-posted to .misc and .soc. >> > > Over here in .misc, we're into trolls, politics and helmet wars these days. Dang, is that argument still going? I marked that thread Ignore at least a couple weeks ago. -km -- Only cowards fight kids -- unidentified Moscow protester the black rose proud to be owned by a yorkie http://community.webshots.com/user/blackrosequilts |
to theft on Feb 8, have yet to see anything from them. I do not know what his problem is. Dispute the credit card charges, you have 60 days for that. Then order from http://www.nuteck.com . This is the actual manufacturer in Colorado. I lose a little speed from the solid tires, but it sure beats having a lot of flats. tph wrote: > > Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168 > (386) 478-1861 fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861 > > This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires > from them on their website: > > 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered > 2. They double billed my card for the same one order > 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me > > I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times, > and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine. > After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them. > The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for > them due to failure to respond to complaints. > > Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money. |
> ... Then order from http://www.nuteck.com . This is the actual > manufacturer in Colorado. I lose a little speed from the solid tires, > but it sure beats having a lot of flats. You forgot a hyphen. The URL is http://www.nu-teck.com -- ========================================================================= Bob Parnass, AJ9S GNU/Linux User http://parnass.com |
> I bought 4 tires from them and I like them. I ordered a replacement due > to theft on Feb 8, have yet to see anything from them. I do not know > what his problem is. Dispute the credit card charges, you have 60 days > for that. Then order from http://www.nuteck.com . This is the actual > manufacturer in Colorado. I lose a little speed from the solid tires, > but it sure beats having a lot of flats. > Actually, should be www.nu-teck.com |
> I bought 4 tires from them and I like them. I ordered a replacement > due to theft on Feb 8, have yet to see anything from them. I do not > know what his problem is. Dispute the credit card charges, you have > 60 days for that. Then order from http://www.nuteck.com . This is > the actual manufacturer in Colorado. I lose a little speed from the > solid tires, but it sure beats having a lot of flats. I can't visualize what sort of bicycling you do with solid tires, but exceeding 15mph while riding over even a 1/2" step in the pavement will damage rims, there being insufficient compression in a non-pneumatic tire to absorb such shock. Just the same, there is a use for these tires but it is not a reasonable solution to flat tires considering how many thousand miles most riders cover between flats. I can't imagine riding 1000 miles on "Airfree Tires". Jobst Brandt jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org |
> ... > I can't visualize what sort of bicycling you do with solid tires, but > exceeding 15mph while riding over even a 1/2" step in the pavement > will damage rims, there being insufficient compression in a > non-pneumatic tire to absorb such shock. Just the same, there is a > use for these tires... They would be my tires of choice for use on wheelbarrows. -- Tom Sherman |
<tsherman@qconline.com > wrote: >jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote: > >> ... >> I can't visualize what sort of bicycling you do with solid tires, but >> exceeding 15mph while riding over even a 1/2" step in the pavement >> will damage rims, there being insufficient compression in a >> non-pneumatic tire to absorb such shock. Just the same, there is a >> use for these tires... > >They would be my tires of choice for use on wheelbarrows. There's a hotdog vendor here in Houston who uses them on his cart. Oh, and the guy at the lbs said the small ones make a dandy support ring to help flatten out the spare tire cover on his hatchback. I suppose that a big one might make a decent protective foot under a spool table, but I haven't seen one of those in a long time. (As a table, that is.) -- Typoes are a feature, not a bug. Some gardening required to reply via email. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
"Tom Sherman" wrote: They would be my tires of choice for use on wheelbarrows. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ As long as you keep the speed down. |
> I can't visualize what sort of bicycling you do with solid tires, but > exceeding 15mph while riding over even a 1/2" step in the pavement > will damage rims, there being insufficient compression in a > non-pneumatic tire to absorb such shock. Just the same, there is a > use for these tires but it is not a reasonable solution to flat tires > considering how many thousand miles most riders cover between flats. > I can't imagine riding 1000 miles on "Airfree Tires". > > Jobst Brandt > jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org **************************************** Well, Jobst, I can imagine it. I have used several varieties of Airfree Tires for about 5 years now and have been VERY happy with them, not that I don't also have bikes with pneumatic tires but the 2 that are shod with Airfrees (a single speed and a fixie) are just great machines for what I use them for. Most people don't _understand_ Airfree Tires and herein lies the problem. 1 ) You're NOT going to win the Tour using these tires. In fact, they may actually slow you down but NOT very much. 2 ) They are VERY 'rim specific'. Failing to understand these two things, coupled with so many people's ineptitude to measure thing like rims accurately, is by far the cause of most people's dissatisfaction with them. There are differences between Airless tires from one manufacturer to another which cause many of them to be VERY 'recreational' and there is only one that I have tried, that could in my opinion, be considered a 'performance' tire. This means that for MOST people, riding on Airfree Tires will only be a dream, until some manufacturer starts making them in a VARIETY of POPULAR sizes. I live that dream and I am loving it. :-) Lewis. ************************ |
<6kN1d.13787$54.195589@typhoon.sonic.net >, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote: >I can't imagine riding 1000 miles on "Airfree Tires". Not all at once. I'd think them suitable, though expensive, tires for bikes that are left on trainers. -- zk |
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote: > > > I can't visualize what sort of bicycling you do with solid tires, but > exceeding 15mph while riding over even a 1/2" step in the pavement > will damage rims, there being insufficient compression in a > non-pneumatic tire to absorb such shock. Just the same, there is a > use for these tires but it is not a reasonable solution to flat tires > considering how many thousand miles most riders cover between flats. > I can't imagine riding 1000 miles on "Airfree Tires". > > Jobst Brandt > jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org I do recreational riding. I was getting at least 1 flat a week. Can't jump curbs with a recumbent. I tried jumping a curb with a Waterford road bike and went over the handlebars. I hit a pot hole with aired tires with my recumbent, and blew the tire and bent the rim (flared out on both sides). |
> "Benjamin Lewis" <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> wrote in message >>>>>> >>>>>> Keyboard! >>>>> >>>>> I don't get it... >>>> >>>> Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really >>>> makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has >>>> caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee. >>> >>> rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for >>> that; >> >> That because, aside from the occasional zinger from Jobst, we're a >> fairly humourless bunch over here. >> >> However, I note that this is also cross-posted to .misc and .soc. >> > Over here in .misc, we're into trolls, politics and helmet wars these > days. Yes, I read misc too. In fact, I even made some posts to that "Troll, not published helmet research" thread back when I was a young lad, and it was still called "published helmet research - not troll". -- Benjamin Lewis I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover |
> Yes, I read misc too. In fact, I even made some posts to that > "Troll, not published helmet research" thread back when I was a young > lad, and it was still called "published helmet research - not troll". The funny part is, Zaumie never even noticed the change in thread title :-) Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
> Benjamin Lewis wrote: > >> Yes, I read misc too. In fact, I even made some posts to that >> "Troll, not published helmet research" thread back when I was a young >> lad, and it was still called "published helmet research - not troll". > > The funny part is, Zaumie never even noticed the change in thread > title :-) Now don't be bringing that sh^t down here. Bill "it's like ebola, I tells ya" S. |
news:2qqeh3F11bq8iU1@uni-berlin.de... > Benjamin Lewis wrote: > > > Yes, I read misc too. In fact, I even made some posts to that > > "Troll, not published helmet research" thread back when I was a young > > lad, and it was still called "published helmet research - not troll". I was also an earlier contributor, and was roundly flamed for my trouble. > The funny part is, Zaumie never even noticed the change in thread title :-) > According to Google, this thread (under the title "Troll, not published helmet research") began August 17, and has 222 postings (including today). The earlier thread ("Published helmet research, not troll") began June 15 and had 1071 postings, including at least one yesterday. These are only moderately sized helmet threads. In fact, I suspect BillZ, TomK, FrankK and a couple of others now use bots to reply, sort of like the dancing paper clip in Microsoft Word figures out how not to answer your Help question. (dropped .tech and .soc) |
> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:34:06 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <bclewis@cs.sfu.ca> > wrote: > >> rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net wrote: >>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:36:39 GMT, mrn1981@candern.com (Muttley) wrote: >>>> Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really >>>> makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has >>>> caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee. >>>> >>>> Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's >>>> just a sort of compliment. >>> >>> rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for >>> that; >> >> That because, aside from the occasional zinger from Jobst, we're a >> fairly humourless bunch over here. > > "Zingers from Jobst"... Yeah. Right. Good thing I wasn't scritching > the cat when I read *that* line. Actually, believe it or not, that part of my sentence was at least partially serious. -- Benjamin Lewis I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover |
> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <outlook.bugs@microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:2qqeh3F11bq8iU1@uni-berlin.de... >> Benjamin Lewis wrote: >> >>> Yes, I read misc too. In fact, I even made some posts to that >>> "Troll, not published helmet research" thread back when I was a young >>> lad, and it was still called "published helmet research - not troll". > > I was also an earlier contributor, and was roundly flamed for my trouble. > >> The funny part is, Zaumie never even noticed the change in thread title > :-) >> > According to Google, this thread (under the title "Troll, not published > helmet research") began August 17, and has 222 postings (including > today). > > The earlier thread ("Published helmet research, not troll") began June 15 > and had 1071 postings, including at least one yesterday. > > These are only moderately sized helmet threads. I believe there are more variant subject titles, stemming from the same thread. Aw, the li'l thread is now 3 months old. How quickly they grow! I suspect no new content has been contributed for about 2 1/2 months... -- Benjamin Lewis I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover |