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Date: 14 Sep 2006 08:52:12
From: Artemisia
Subject: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
"In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
Cyclists' Eden.
EFR
Ile de France
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 08:16:10
From:
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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Steve wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:52:12 +0200, Artemisia wrote:
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> > http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
> >
> > "In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
> >
> > A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
> > Cyclists' Eden.
> >
> >
> > EFR
> > Ile de France
>
> Well, there's no way I'm going to register for nyt just to read this
> article. However, in all the 8 years I lived in the Netherlands, I rode no
> more than 500km. This was solely due to the supreme arrogance and
> offensiveness of your average Dutch cyclist. Touch me and you're dogmeat.
>
> And when you've had to stop in the road on the way to work for the
> millionth time because there's only about a metre of free road as the rest
> is full of schoolkids coming towards you, then you may change your mind as
> well.
>
> Steve
http://www.bugmenot.com/view/www.nytimes.com
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 21:50:20
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:52:12 +0200, Artemisia wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
>
> "In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
>
> A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
> Cyclists' Eden.
>
>
> EFR
> Ile de France
Well, there's no way I'm going to register for nyt just to read this
article. However, in all the 8 years I lived in the Netherlands, I rode no
more than 500km. This was solely due to the supreme arrogance and
offensiveness of your average Dutch cyclist. Touch me and you're dogmeat.
And when you've had to stop in the road on the way to work for the
millionth time because there's only about a metre of free road as the rest
is full of schoolkids coming towards you, then you may change your mind as
well.
Steve
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Date: 15 Sep 2006 08:25:58
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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Steve wrote on 14/09/2006 10:50 +0100:
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> Well, there's no way I'm going to register for nyt just to read this
> article.
With Thunderbird and the BugMeNot extension I got straight in without
registering.
--
Tony
"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 12:53:42
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:50:20 +1200, Steve <ThisOne@Aint.Valid > wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:52:12 +0200, Artemisia wrote:
>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
>>
>> "In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
>>
>> A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
>> Cyclists' Eden.
>>
>>
>> EFR
>> Ile de France
>
>Well, there's no way I'm going to register for nyt just to read this
>article. However, in all the 8 years I lived in the Netherlands, I rode no
>more than 500km. This was solely due to the supreme arrogance and
>offensiveness of your average Dutch cyclist. Touch me and you're dogmeat.
>
>And when you've had to stop in the road on the way to work for the
>millionth time because there's only about a metre of free road as the rest
>is full of schoolkids coming towards you, then you may change your mind as
>well.
>
>Steve
Not anything close to the experience I had on many trips to that
country. Long distance routes all over the place. A'dam was a learning
curve, but quickly mastered. Detected no arrogance or offensiveness in
any Dutch cyclist. Quite the opposite in fact. Children know how to
brake and steer.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:24:14
From: Grolch
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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"R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote in message
news:7tjig29n6s1bhr54g6janv98fsvbdkhqrt@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:50:20 +1200, Steve <ThisOne@Aint.Valid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:52:12 +0200, Artemisia wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
>>>
>>> "In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
>>>
>>> A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
>>> Cyclists' Eden.
>>>
>>>
>>> EFR
>>> Ile de France
>>
>>Well, there's no way I'm going to register for nyt just to read this
>>article. However, in all the 8 years I lived in the Netherlands, I rode no
>>more than 500km. This was solely due to the supreme arrogance and
>>offensiveness of your average Dutch cyclist. Touch me and you're dogmeat.
>>
>>And when you've had to stop in the road on the way to work for the
>>millionth time because there's only about a metre of free road as the rest
>>is full of schoolkids coming towards you, then you may change your mind as
>>well.
>>
>>Steve
>
> Not anything close to the experience I had on many trips to that
> country. Long distance routes all over the place. A'dam was a learning
> curve, but quickly mastered. Detected no arrogance or offensiveness in
> any Dutch cyclist. Quite the opposite in fact. Children know how to
> brake and steer.
That was my experience also. On two tours through Belgium, Netherlands,
Germany and South England, by far the most bike friendly and "people"
friendly places were in the Netherlands. There is a big difference between
the south and the north. I enjoyed Noord Brabant, Limburg and the north
(flemish) parts of belgium most. The people were more "down to earth" and
knew how to party it up and include strangers like myself. Scheveningen
(near the Hague) is great beach area and ferry point (Hoek from Holland) to
the UK. My experience is that the Dutch are among the most pragmatic,
practical and tolerant people I have met. That is not to say that they wont
argue etc. But they seem to expect lively debate over a beer, or "space
cake". Great great country to ride in.
That is all..... Grolsch (notice the handle.... Dutch beer.
Oh did I mention that the best beer country (IMHO) is Belgium. Ahhhh,
cycling and Beer, but not at the same time.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 20:02:13
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:24:14 GMT, "Grolch"
<hjwilkeremovenospam@telus.net > wrote:
>
>"R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote in message
>news:7tjig29n6s1bhr54g6janv98fsvbdkhqrt@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:50:20 +1200, Steve <ThisOne@Aint.Valid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:52:12 +0200, Artemisia wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
>>>>
>>>> "In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
>>>>
>>>> A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
>>>> Cyclists' Eden.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> EFR
>>>> Ile de France
>>>
>>>Well, there's no way I'm going to register for nyt just to read this
>>>article. However, in all the 8 years I lived in the Netherlands, I rode no
>>>more than 500km. This was solely due to the supreme arrogance and
>>>offensiveness of your average Dutch cyclist. Touch me and you're dogmeat.
>>>
>>>And when you've had to stop in the road on the way to work for the
>>>millionth time because there's only about a metre of free road as the rest
>>>is full of schoolkids coming towards you, then you may change your mind as
>>>well.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>> Not anything close to the experience I had on many trips to that
>> country. Long distance routes all over the place. A'dam was a learning
>> curve, but quickly mastered. Detected no arrogance or offensiveness in
>> any Dutch cyclist. Quite the opposite in fact. Children know how to
>> brake and steer.
>
>That was my experience also. On two tours through Belgium, Netherlands,
>Germany and South England, by far the most bike friendly and "people"
>friendly places were in the Netherlands. There is a big difference between
>the south and the north. I enjoyed Noord Brabant, Limburg and the north
>(flemish) parts of belgium most. The people were more "down to earth" and
>knew how to party it up and include strangers like myself. Scheveningen
>(near the Hague) is great beach area and ferry point (Hoek from Holland) to
>the UK. My experience is that the Dutch are among the most pragmatic,
>practical and tolerant people I have met. That is not to say that they wont
>argue etc. But they seem to expect lively debate over a beer, or "space
>cake". Great great country to ride in.
>
>That is all..... Grolsch (notice the handle.... Dutch beer.
>
>Oh did I mention that the best beer country (IMHO) is Belgium. Ahhhh,
>cycling and Beer, but not at the same time.
Belgium does have the best beer. My in-laws lived in NL for 7 years
and got their supply of very fresh Heineken, along with the milk and
other dairy products, from the milkman.
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 07:26:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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"Steve" <ThisOne@Aint.Valid > wrote in message
news:pan.2006.09.14.09.50.19.649998@Aint.Valid...
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:52:12 +0200, Artemisia wrote:
>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
>>
>> "In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
>>
>> A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
>> Cyclists' Eden.
>>
>>
>> EFR
>> Ile de France
>
> Well, there's no way I'm going to register for nyt just to read this
> article. However, in all the 8 years I lived in the Netherlands, I rode no
> more than 500km. This was solely due to the supreme arrogance and
> offensiveness of your average Dutch cyclist. Touch me and you're dogmeat.
>
> And when you've had to stop in the road on the way to work for the
> millionth time because there's only about a metre of free road as the rest
> is full of schoolkids coming towards you, then you may change your mind as
> well.
>
> Steve
That is a very interesting observation Steve, the sort of observation we
seldom get from the Europeans.
Well, I guess I would fit right in there as I could be just as big a bastard
as any Dutchman. And we all know that the English are the greatest slobs in
the world. Yea, I would just love to cycle around Europe and show them how
we Americans react to uncouthness and vulgarity.
The main thing is to learn how to swear and cuss in at least half a dozen
languages since those European nations are like our counties here in the
U.S. In order to be at home in Europe, you have to think small, talk small
and be small. Yea, that is the secret!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 11:28:47
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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There are also free bikes in Cascais Portugal as we discovered last year ..
http://www.pousadasjuventude.pt/edicoes1/pousadas/artigos.asp?rev=2&art=532&origem=pesq
A great ride along a lovely coastline...
All the best
Dan Gregory
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 09:14:33
From: Artoi
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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In article <4508fc1c$0$31657$626a54ce@news.free.fr >,
Artemisia <nospam@free.fr > wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
>
> "In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
>
> A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
> Cyclists' Eden.
Living in a flat country helps...
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 08:48:31
From: Jim Higson
Subject: Re: Article in NYT about Cycles in Netherlands
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Artemisia wrote:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/14/world/europe/14bikes.html
>
> "In the Netherlands, Life Runs on 2 Wheels (Sometimes 3) "
>
> A pleasant illustrated discussion of what is considered by many as
> Cyclists' Eden.
In the Netherlands, bikes are available to borrow in national parks for
free. They just leave them stood up (with a kick stand) in ked areas,
and when you're done you put it back. From time to time mechanics visit and
check the bikes.
Really cool.
Check out this picture from Japan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BicycleParkingLot.jpg
In some German cities cycling is so popular I've seen multi-story bike
parking.
--
Jim
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