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Date: 15 Sep 2007 17:05:31
From: Jorg Lueke
Subject: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 20:12:16
From: Jorg Lueke
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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On Sep 17, 11:18 am, AustinMN <tacooper...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 16, 10:34 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
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> > Minneapolis isn't a city I
> > expect to suffer from this kind of violence, but I guess it is.
>
> It has gotten better, but it wasn't that many years ago when many
> locals called it "Murderapolis."
>
> Austin
I think the murder rate this year is on track for 50, which would be
1/2 of what it was then
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 20:11:22
From: Jorg Lueke
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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On Sep 16, 10:34 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> Evidently not a nice neighborhood. I'm not familiar with Minneapolis---is
> this an area that's undergoing "urban renewal"? Minneapolis isn't a city I
> expect to suffer from this kind of violence, but I guess it is. The three
> teens who died from gunshot wounds were most likely drug or gang
> related---three in one day is pretty suspicious. Being beaten to death is
> pretty unusual.
South Minneapolis has gotten safer over the past decade. Some of the
crime moved to North Minneapolis but with any urban area there are
pockets that are worse than others and obviously neighborhoods aren't
that far apart.
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 09:20:28
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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On Sep 16, 12:53 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Pfffft! Gubs are the answer to everything! Muggers, nagging wives,
> stuck pickle jars, unholed donuts--you name it, you can gub it!
Will a gub clean the grit out of my bottom bracket?
Austin
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 09:18:42
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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On Sep 16, 10:34 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> Minneapolis isn't a city I
> expect to suffer from this kind of violence, but I guess it is.
It has gotten better, but it wasn't that many years ago when many
locals called it "Murderapolis."
Austin
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 11:44:05
From: William
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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On Sep 16, 10:34 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> "Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189956053.745485.97700@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 3:58 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> >> Gooserider wrote:
> >> > "Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:1189901131.946724.8100@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
>
> >> > The story says he died from "severe trauma" but the reporter parses
> >> > things to make it sound like this was a "random act of violence".
> >> > Judging by the time of night this happened, and Minnesotans love of
> >> > alcohol, I'd say he was hit by a drunk who fled the scene. Not a good
> >> > thing at all, but not exactly a random act of violence.
>
> >> Was there any evidence of a vehicle being involved? IDSTR seeing that.
>
> > There's no mention of any vehicle. The way they report several blunt
> > traumas to the head sounds more like a beating with an object or
> > having his head bashed into the pavement repeatedly. It's not really
> > cycling related other than the victim being an avid cyclist and
> > someone I can relate too fairly closely.
>
> Now it makes more sense:
>
> http://wcco.com/local/local_story_257202801.html
>
> The neighborhood Loesch was found has had other recent incidents of
> violence. Ron Edwards, co-chairman of the Police Community Relations
> Council, said 3 African-American teens were victims of gunshot wounds on the
> same day Loesch was found.
>
> Evidently not a nice neighborhood. I'm not familiar with Minneapolis---is
> this an area that's undergoing "urban renewal"? Minneapolis isn't a city I
> expect to suffer from this kind of violence, but I guess it is. The three
> teens who died from gunshot wounds were most likely drug or gang
> related---three in one day is pretty suspicious. Being beaten to death is
> pretty unusual.
I'm 15 and I happen to live in Minneapolis and I bike all around
during the day but I'm pretty cautious if I bike during the night, I
usally just stay within my neighborhood...
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 17:53:29
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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On Sep 16, 10:34 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> "Sir Thomas of Cannondale" <tomc...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:c09Hi.2888$Ap2.2863@trndny05...
>
> > "Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1189901131.946724.8100@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >>http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
>
> > Too bad he didn't carry a gun. Yes,, a gun.
>
> > A little pee shooter, maybe a 22, something small.
>
> > When the mugger said "give me your money" he could have killed the
> > bastard.
>
> Well, duh. Of course. But even pepper spray would help.
Pfffft! Gubs are the answer to everything! Muggers, nagging wives,
stuck pickle jars, unholed donuts--you name it, you can gub it!
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 08:20:53
From: Jorg Lueke
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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On Sep 16, 3:58 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me > wrote:
> Gooserider wrote:
> > "Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1189901131.946724.8100@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >>http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
>
> > The story says he died from "severe trauma" but the reporter parses
> > things to make it sound like this was a "random act of violence".
> > Judging by the time of night this happened, and Minnesotans love of
> > alcohol, I'd say he was hit by a drunk who fled the scene. Not a good
> > thing at all, but not exactly a random act of violence.
>
> Was there any evidence of a vehicle being involved? IDSTR seeing that.
There's no mention of any vehicle. The way they report several blunt
traumas to the head sounds more like a beating with an object or
having his head bashed into the pavement repeatedly. It's not really
cycling related other than the victim being an avid cyclist and
someone I can relate too fairly closely.
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 11:34:30
From: Gooserider
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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"Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2000@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1189956053.745485.97700@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 16, 3:58 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>> Gooserider wrote:
>> > "Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1189901131.946724.8100@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> >>http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
>>
>> > The story says he died from "severe trauma" but the reporter parses
>> > things to make it sound like this was a "random act of violence".
>> > Judging by the time of night this happened, and Minnesotans love of
>> > alcohol, I'd say he was hit by a drunk who fled the scene. Not a good
>> > thing at all, but not exactly a random act of violence.
>>
>> Was there any evidence of a vehicle being involved? IDSTR seeing that.
>
> There's no mention of any vehicle. The way they report several blunt
> traumas to the head sounds more like a beating with an object or
> having his head bashed into the pavement repeatedly. It's not really
> cycling related other than the victim being an avid cyclist and
> someone I can relate too fairly closely.
Now it makes more sense:
http://wcco.com/local/local_story_257202801.html
The neighborhood Loesch was found has had other recent incidents of
violence. Ron Edwards, co-chairman of the Police Community Relations
Council, said 3 African-American teens were victims of gunshot wounds on the
same day Loesch was found.
Evidently not a nice neighborhood. I'm not familiar with Minneapolis---is
this an area that's undergoing "urban renewal"? Minneapolis isn't a city I
expect to suffer from this kind of violence, but I guess it is. The three
teens who died from gunshot wounds were most likely drug or gang
related---three in one day is pretty suspicious. Being beaten to death is
pretty unusual.
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 12:07:36
From: Sir Thomas of Cannondale
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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"Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2000@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1189901131.946724.8100@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
>
Too bad he didn't carry a gun. Yes,, a gun.
A little pee shooter, maybe a 22, something small.
When the mugger said "give me your money" he could have killed the bastard.
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 11:34:57
From: Gooserider
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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"Sir Thomas of Cannondale" <tomcatm@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:c09Hi.2888$Ap2.2863@trndny05...
>
> "Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1189901131.946724.8100@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
>>
>
> Too bad he didn't carry a gun. Yes,, a gun.
>
> A little pee shooter, maybe a 22, something small.
>
> When the mugger said "give me your money" he could have killed the
> bastard.
>
>
Well, duh. Of course. But even pepper spray would help.
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 06:37:50
From: Gooserider
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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"Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2000@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1189901131.946724.8100@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
The story says he died from "severe trauma" but the reporter parses things
to make it sound like this was a "random act of violence". Judging by the
time of night this happened, and Minnesotans love of alcohol, I'd say he was
hit by a drunk who fled the scene. Not a good thing at all, but not exactly
a random act of violence.
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 07:58:46
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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Gooserider wrote:
> "Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1189901131.946724.8100@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
>
> The story says he died from "severe trauma" but the reporter parses
> things to make it sound like this was a "random act of violence".
> Judging by the time of night this happened, and Minnesotans love of
> alcohol, I'd say he was hit by a drunk who fled the scene. Not a good
> thing at all, but not exactly a random act of violence.
Was there any evidence of a vehicle being involved? IDSTR seeing that.
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 18:40:31
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Bicyclist falls victim to a RAV
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Jorg Lueke wrote:
> http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1423126.html
You had me thinking a Toyota did it.
Sad story, but hardly rare (sadder still).
BS
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