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Date: 03 Sep 2006 07:38:43
From: aeiouy
Subject: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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Posted on: Saturday, September 2, 2006
Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
By Curtis Lum
Advertiser Staff Writer
WAI'ANAE - An apparent road rage incident turned deadly last night when a
bicyclist was savagely beaten to death by three men in front of a
convenience store, police said.
The victim was a 47-year-old Wai'anae man who was attacked in the parking
lot of the Wai'anae ket on Farrington Highway shortly before 6:30 p.m.,
police said.
The man was taken to the Wai'anae Coast Comprehensive Health Center, where
he was pronounced dead. His name was not released.
Police were searching for three suspects last night. Police said they
believe they know the identity of one suspect, a man in his 20s.
The bicyclist got into a traffic altercation with some men in a car at the
Wai'anae McDonald's, police said. After the argument, the bicyclist went to
the Wai-'anae ket, about 100 yards away, said Lt. Dagan Tsuchida.
A witness, who would not give her name because she was fearful, said she saw
the victim with his girlfriend outside the ket. A white Ford sedan pulled
into the lot and three men jumped out, she said. They swore at victim's
girlfriend, threw her to the ground and attacked the man, the witness said.
She said another man stayed in the car during the attack, which lasted about
five minutes.
"They kept stomping him on the head and kicking him," she said. "He was
unconscious for most of it. That's what didn't make sense."
The sound of the man's head hitting the pavement "is something that I'll
never forget," she said. "I've never seen damage to a human body like that."
The men then sped away in the car, she said.
The witness said the man was alive after the attack but had stopped
breathing by the time the ambulance arrived.
Reach Curtis Lum at culum@honoluluadvertiser.com.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060902/NEWS06/609020312/1001
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 08:23:52
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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oldhickory wrote:
> I think I have yet to hear when justice is applied appropriately to those
> who injure or kill cyclists.
>
> I think we'd be lucky if we were considered second class citizens.
>
> --
> ie
> ride fast, take chances.
Fer crissakes, people! This was an attack by three men on a man and his
female companion. There's absolutely nothing in the report that
indicates the three knuckleheads gave a damn whether their victim was
on a bike, on foot, in a car, or flying a damn 747. That this
particular victim happened to be on a bike is only germane because he
couldn't close a door and speed away to avoid being beaten to death.
BTW, we really should avoid canonizing victims such as this one. After
all, "traffic altercation" is a polite phrase meaning an *exchange* of
"fuck you" words and/or gestures that usually occurs over the most
trivial things.
Regards,
Bob Hunt
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Date: 05 Sep 2006 09:49:01
From: Earl Lewis
Subject: Re: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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On 4 Sep 2006 08:23:52 -0700, "Bob" <hunrobe@aol.com > wrote:
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>Fer crissakes, people! This was an attack by three men on a man and his
>female companion. There's absolutely nothing in the report that
>indicates the three knuckleheads gave a damn whether their victim was
>on a bike, on foot, in a car, or flying a damn 747. That this
>particular victim happened to be on a bike is only germane because he
>couldn't close a door and speed away to avoid being beaten to death.
>BTW, we really should avoid canonizing victims such as this one. After
>all, "traffic altercation" is a polite phrase meaning an *exchange* of
>"fuck you" words and/or gestures that usually occurs over the most
>trivial things.
>
>Regards,
>Bob Hunt
At last, a voice of reason. The news article mentioned looked to be
the output from a police spokesperson filtered thru a newspaper
reporter. NOT reliable in my experience. Sounds more like a lynching
or a drug deal gone bad to me, than road rage or traffic altercation.
Of course I could very well be wrong, it's just that the newspaper
account sounded a little fishy to me.
When they catch the 3 they'll prosecute and jail them. Nobody in the
justice system will much give a damn what the real story behind the
incident was, if any.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 08:02:28
From:
Subject: Re: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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aeiouy wrote:
> Sad
>
> **********************************************************************************
>
> Posted on: Saturday, September 2, 2006
> Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
>
>
> By Curtis Lum
> Advertiser Staff Writer
>
>
>
> WAI'ANAE - An apparent road rage incident turned deadly last night when a
> bicyclist was savagely beaten to death by three men in front of a
> convenience store, police said.
>
> The victim was a 47-year-old Wai'anae man who was attacked in the parking
> lot of the Wai'anae ket on Farrington Highway shortly before 6:30 p.m.,
> police said.
>
> The man was taken to the Wai'anae Coast Comprehensive Health Center, where
> he was pronounced dead. His name was not released.
>
> Police were searching for three suspects last night. Police said they
> believe they know the identity of one suspect, a man in his 20s.
>
> The bicyclist got into a traffic altercation with some men in a car at the
> Wai'anae McDonald's, police said. After the argument, the bicyclist went to
> the Wai-'anae ket, about 100 yards away, said Lt. Dagan Tsuchida.
>
> A witness, who would not give her name because she was fearful, said she saw
> the victim with his girlfriend outside the ket. A white Ford sedan pulled
> into the lot and three men jumped out, she said. They swore at victim's
> girlfriend, threw her to the ground and attacked the man, the witness said.
>
> She said another man stayed in the car during the attack, which lasted about
> five minutes.
>
> "They kept stomping him on the head and kicking him," she said. "He was
> unconscious for most of it. That's what didn't make sense."
>
> The sound of the man's head hitting the pavement "is something that I'll
> never forget," she said. "I've never seen damage to a human body like that."
>
> The men then sped away in the car, she said.
>
> The witness said the man was alive after the attack but had stopped
> breathing by the time the ambulance arrived.
>
> Reach Curtis Lum at culum@honoluluadvertiser.com.
>
>
> http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060902/NEWS06/609020312/1001
Sounds like each of the 3 should be charged with 2 counts of aggrevated
assault and one count of manslaughter. If the 4th was the driver, count
him in on a conspiracy charge.
This certainly makes me want to travel to Hawaii. Not.
I hope that their DA office handles this case appropriately.
How much distance from the scene, time must elapse for this to not be
considered "road rage"?
What is the difference in charges if it is considered to be "road
rage"?
It still sounds to me as if if was a conscious action by the group of
attackers to pursue the victims away from the original incident scene.
Throw in a count of conspiracy for each just in case - which could be
reduced if any of the atackers are st enough to take a plea bargain.
double up on your bear repellant (pepper spray).
-bdbafh
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 13:52:53
From: chuck
Subject: Re: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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On 2006-09-03, bdbafh@gmail.com <bdbafh@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> aeiouy wrote:
>> Sad
>>
>> **********************************************************************************
>>
>> Posted on: Saturday, September 2, 2006
>> Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
>>
>>
>> By Curtis Lum
>> Advertiser Staff Writer
>>
>>
>>
>> WAI'ANAE - An apparent road rage incident turned deadly last night when a
>> bicyclist was savagely beaten to death by three men in front of a
>> convenience store, police said.
>>
>> The victim was a 47-year-old Wai'anae man who was attacked in the parking
>> lot of the Wai'anae ket on Farrington Highway shortly before 6:30 p.m.,
>> police said.
>>
>> The man was taken to the Wai'anae Coast Comprehensive Health Center, where
>> he was pronounced dead. His name was not released.
>>
>> Police were searching for three suspects last night. Police said they
>> believe they know the identity of one suspect, a man in his 20s.
>>
>> The bicyclist got into a traffic altercation with some men in a car at the
>> Wai'anae McDonald's, police said. After the argument, the bicyclist went to
>> the Wai-'anae ket, about 100 yards away, said Lt. Dagan Tsuchida.
>>
>> A witness, who would not give her name because she was fearful, said she saw
>> the victim with his girlfriend outside the ket. A white Ford sedan pulled
>> into the lot and three men jumped out, she said. They swore at victim's
>> girlfriend, threw her to the ground and attacked the man, the witness said.
>>
>> She said another man stayed in the car during the attack, which lasted about
>> five minutes.
>>
>> "They kept stomping him on the head and kicking him," she said. "He was
>> unconscious for most of it. That's what didn't make sense."
>>
>> The sound of the man's head hitting the pavement "is something that I'll
>> never forget," she said. "I've never seen damage to a human body like that."
>>
>> The men then sped away in the car, she said.
>>
>> The witness said the man was alive after the attack but had stopped
>> breathing by the time the ambulance arrived.
>>
>> Reach Curtis Lum at culum@honoluluadvertiser.com.
>>
>>
>> http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060902/NEWS06/609020312/1001
>
> Sounds like each of the 3 should be charged with 2 counts of aggrevated
> assault and one count of manslaughter. If the 4th was the driver, count
> him in on a conspiracy charge.
>
> This certainly makes me want to travel to Hawaii. Not.
> I hope that their DA office handles this case appropriately.
>
> How much distance from the scene, time must elapse for this to not be
> considered "road rage"?
> What is the difference in charges if it is considered to be "road
> rage"?
> It still sounds to me as if if was a conscious action by the group of
> attackers to pursue the victims away from the original incident scene.
> Throw in a count of conspiracy for each just in case - which could be
> reduced if any of the atackers are st enough to take a plea bargain.
>
> double up on your bear repellant (pepper spray).
>
> -bdbafh
>
That's one more reason I always have a "Buck" brand bicycle *tool* on my
side when riding. There are always wild animals around. Sometimes you
need the correct tool to deal with them. BTW, in my state it is legal to
carry tools, but you get in trouble carrying weapons.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 18:28:18
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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bdbafh@gmail.com wrote:
> aeiouy wrote:
>> Sad
>>
>> **********************************************************************************
>>
>> Posted on: Saturday, September 2, 2006
>> Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
>>
>>
>> By Curtis Lum
>> Advertiser Staff Writer
>>
>>
>>
>> WAI'ANAE - An apparent road rage incident turned deadly last night when a
>> bicyclist was savagely beaten to death by three men in front of a
>> convenience store, police said.
>>
>> The victim was a 47-year-old Wai'anae man who was attacked in the parking
>> lot of the Wai'anae ket on Farrington Highway shortly before 6:30 p.m.,
>> police said.
>>
>> The man was taken to the Wai'anae Coast Comprehensive Health Center, where
>> he was pronounced dead. His name was not released.
>>
>> Police were searching for three suspects last night. Police said they
>> believe they know the identity of one suspect, a man in his 20s.
>>
>> The bicyclist got into a traffic altercation with some men in a car at the
>> Wai'anae McDonald's, police said. After the argument, the bicyclist went to
>> the Wai-'anae ket, about 100 yards away, said Lt. Dagan Tsuchida.
>>
>> A witness, who would not give her name because she was fearful, said she saw
>> the victim with his girlfriend outside the ket. A white Ford sedan pulled
>> into the lot and three men jumped out, she said. They swore at victim's
>> girlfriend, threw her to the ground and attacked the man, the witness said.
>>
>> She said another man stayed in the car during the attack, which lasted about
>> five minutes.
>>
>> "They kept stomping him on the head and kicking him," she said. "He was
>> unconscious for most of it. That's what didn't make sense."
>>
>> The sound of the man's head hitting the pavement "is something that I'll
>> never forget," she said. "I've never seen damage to a human body like that."
>>
>> The men then sped away in the car, she said.
>>
>> The witness said the man was alive after the attack but had stopped
>> breathing by the time the ambulance arrived.
>>
>> Reach Curtis Lum at culum@honoluluadvertiser.com.
>>
>>
>> http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060902/NEWS06/609020312/1001
>
> Sounds like each of the 3 should be charged with 2 counts of aggrevated
> assault and one count of manslaughter. If the 4th was the driver, count
> him in on a conspiracy charge.
>
> This certainly makes me want to travel to Hawaii. Not.
> I hope that their DA office handles this case appropriately.
>
> How much distance from the scene, time must elapse for this to not be
> considered "road rage"?
> What is the difference in charges if it is considered to be "road
> rage"?
> It still sounds to me as if if was a conscious action by the group of
> attackers to pursue the victims away from the original incident scene.
> Throw in a count of conspiracy for each just in case - which could be
> reduced if any of the atackers are st enough to take a plea bargain.
>
> double up on your bear repellant (pepper spray).
>
> -bdbafh
>
It sounds like a case for murder to me, maybe even premeditated since
they followed him to another store. Beating him until he hit the ground
would make for 3 counts of aggravated assault, continuing to kick him in
the head for five minutes means they damn well wanted to kill him.
Second degree murder, at the least, I would hope. With just an assault
charge these assholes could get off with probation if it is a first
offense. The only reason I mention this is because I have seen similar
incidents where a killer gets a slap on the wrist and some poor guy
smoking a joint gets 8 years.
Justice is rarely applied properly.
Bill Baka
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:49:47
From: oldhickory
Subject: Re: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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I think I have yet to hear when justice is applied appropriately to those
who injure or kill cyclists.
I think we'd be lucky if we were considered second class citizens.
--
ie
ride fast, take chances.
"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:69FKg.15071$%j7.4477@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> bdbafh@gmail.com wrote:
>> aeiouy wrote:
>>> Sad
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************************
>>>
>>> Posted on: Saturday, September 2, 2006
>>> Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
>>>
>>>
>>> By Curtis Lum
>>> Advertiser Staff Writer
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> WAI'ANAE - An apparent road rage incident turned deadly last night when
>>> a
>>> bicyclist was savagely beaten to death by three men in front of a
>>> convenience store, police said.
>>>
>>> The victim was a 47-year-old Wai'anae man who was attacked in the
>>> parking
>>> lot of the Wai'anae ket on Farrington Highway shortly before 6:30
>>> p.m.,
>>> police said.
>>>
>>> The man was taken to the Wai'anae Coast Comprehensive Health Center,
>>> where
>>> he was pronounced dead. His name was not released.
>>>
>>> Police were searching for three suspects last night. Police said they
>>> believe they know the identity of one suspect, a man in his 20s.
>>>
>>> The bicyclist got into a traffic altercation with some men in a car at
>>> the
>>> Wai'anae McDonald's, police said. After the argument, the bicyclist went
>>> to
>>> the Wai-'anae ket, about 100 yards away, said Lt. Dagan Tsuchida.
>>>
>>> A witness, who would not give her name because she was fearful, said she
>>> saw
>>> the victim with his girlfriend outside the ket. A white Ford sedan
>>> pulled
>>> into the lot and three men jumped out, she said. They swore at victim's
>>> girlfriend, threw her to the ground and attacked the man, the witness
>>> said.
>>>
>>> She said another man stayed in the car during the attack, which lasted
>>> about
>>> five minutes.
>>>
>>> "They kept stomping him on the head and kicking him," she said. "He was
>>> unconscious for most of it. That's what didn't make sense."
>>>
>>> The sound of the man's head hitting the pavement "is something that I'll
>>> never forget," she said. "I've never seen damage to a human body like
>>> that."
>>>
>>> The men then sped away in the car, she said.
>>>
>>> The witness said the man was alive after the attack but had stopped
>>> breathing by the time the ambulance arrived.
>>>
>>> Reach Curtis Lum at culum@honoluluadvertiser.com.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060902/NEWS06/609020312/1001
>>
>> Sounds like each of the 3 should be charged with 2 counts of aggrevated
>> assault and one count of manslaughter. If the 4th was the driver, count
>> him in on a conspiracy charge.
>>
>> This certainly makes me want to travel to Hawaii. Not.
>> I hope that their DA office handles this case appropriately.
>>
>> How much distance from the scene, time must elapse for this to not be
>> considered "road rage"?
>> What is the difference in charges if it is considered to be "road
>> rage"?
>> It still sounds to me as if if was a conscious action by the group of
>> attackers to pursue the victims away from the original incident scene.
>> Throw in a count of conspiracy for each just in case - which could be
>> reduced if any of the atackers are st enough to take a plea bargain.
>>
>> double up on your bear repellant (pepper spray).
>>
>> -bdbafh
>>
> It sounds like a case for murder to me, maybe even premeditated since they
> followed him to another store. Beating him until he hit the ground would
> make for 3 counts of aggravated assault, continuing to kick him in the
> head for five minutes means they damn well wanted to kill him.
> Second degree murder, at the least, I would hope. With just an assault
> charge these assholes could get off with probation if it is a first
> offense. The only reason I mention this is because I have seen similar
> incidents where a killer gets a slap on the wrist and some poor guy
> smoking a joint gets 8 years.
> Justice is rarely applied properly.
> Bill Baka
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:32:05
From: Rich Clark
Subject: Re: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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"oldhickory" <inboxie@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:vpUKg.8522$o42.3042@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>I think I have yet to hear when justice is applied appropriately to those
>who injure or kill cyclists.
>
> I think we'd be lucky if we were considered second class citizens.
I imagine the cyclist who collided with and killed a pedestrian in Australia
last week, and then was charged only with running a red light, is happy to
be considered a second-class citizen.
RichC
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 16:56:48
From:
Subject: Re: Bicyclist fatally beaten in suspected road rage
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bdbafh@gmail.com wrote:
> Sounds like each of the 3 should be charged with 2 counts of aggrevated
> assault and one count of manslaughter.
Why manslaughter? Why not murder?
Bill
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