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Main Date: 12 Aug 2006 16:19:44 From: Elisa Francesca Roselli Subject: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor I like to track my own fitness data on my bike trip to work and on the exercycle I use in the winter. For this I have been using a Sigma HRM and a separate bike computers for several years. I keep track of the readings in my Palmtop and from time to time save the files onto my computer. But I still “haven't gotten round” to writing that PERL program that would extract the data to table form that will go into Excel and produce lots of lovely graphs. I compete with myself on the trip out to work. It is always the same distance, and I enjoy it when I can break a time record, although this depends on factors beyond my control such as traffic lights as much as on my riding. Recently, the very nice and functional Sigma BC1600 computer on my folding bike Flyzipper broke when the sensor wire got caught in the pedal as I was unfolding the bike. This led me to the idea that I should get a wireless computer for Fly. On paper, the Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor and Bike computer answered all my dreams. It has wireless captors for speed and cadence, a high spec HRM with all sorts of exercise configurations, and comes with a software program to do the extraction of the speed and heart data into graph form. It also captures elevation information and temperature, two details I was very interested in as I am a caloriphobe and as the trip to work is quite hilly. Another plus is that it can store files over about a week, so that I do not have to transfer information immediately at the end of every exercise session. I had, however, certain queries about the use of the wireless sensors on the 20" wheeled folding bike with its extra-long reach. Some people in these forums had warned me that some cheap wireless sensors do not work on this architecture of bike. The Polar is anything but a cheap tool, even on Ebay approaching 300$ with its optional extras of cadence sensor and infrared USB interface for downloading files to the computer, but I did my homework carefully. I contacted the Helpdesk in Finland and posted queries in these bike newsgroups, and everywhere the same, satisfactory information came back: the capture range of the Polar sensors could be extended by the repositioning of a jumper switch to up to 110 cm. I bought the tool new at the beginning of July. I put it on my bike. The distance of the watch on the handlebar mount to the speed sensor on the front wheel is about 80 cm, and to the cadence captor on the frame at the nearest point to the pedal crank is about 1m. Sure enough, the HRM captured no data coming from the bike. The captors were working with their magnets, because they obediently flashed their little orange light when they were passed by the crank or the wheel spoke. However, the watch on the handlebar mount was too far away to pick up any data. There was some highly spurious data in the exercise file - cadence at 183, I think not! - and some speed readings that seemed applicable to the morning ride, but for which the distance given was only 500 m (the actual trip is 9.25 km). I do not like the trip home very much as the traffic is far too heavy by that hour, and it is down some very steep hills, making it difficult and dangerous without much use as a workout. So part of the way I ride on a suburban train or RER. I quickly noticed that the HRM would go haywire as I approached the end of my journey, with readings of 230 bpm (my max being 176). Even turning off the exercise reading well before I approached the train line yielded this result. So it would not capture speed data 80 cms away, but a train line at 100 m would send it crazy. There are also warnings in the manual to keep it away from strong magnetic fields such as cars! Now, I would love to keep away from cars on a commute to work, but even leaving the house at 6:30 AM I just can't get them to keep away from me! Accordingly, I contacted the Polar Technical Support about having the sensors readjusted. I wasn't going to try anything myself, because that would invalidate the guarantee. The Technical Support is in Biarritz. There is no local help available in the Paris region. They are also a bitch to contact because it is one of those systems in which you are shifted from one recorded message to another for half an hour, without ever being able to speak to anything human, and they charge you 0.34€ the minute for all of this. In the end, the recorded voice just tells you there is no one available to answer you, so call again later. It took me well over a week just to get through, and of course this is business hours only so it had to be on my mobile phone and from my office - not only expensive but bad for professional image. So I sent the captors back for readjustment. They returned, I spent another afternoon getting them set up on my bike, but the results were exactly the same as they had been. Another week trying to get through to Technical Support. They finally tell me I have to send the watch unit in with the sensors. This I do. The three items come back 10 days later, I spend another Sunday afternoon in setup, and still the same results. Finally, the guys at Biarritz tell me that in fact the maximum range is not 110 cm but 80 under "optimal conditions" (i.e. no brake in the way), that the Finnish information is from a keting, and not a technical point of view, and therefore misleading, and that in essence, the tool is "not designed" to work on this architecture of bike. They make it sound as though the case of a bike with 20" wheels and a fork only about 2" wide is so abstruse that it can be ignored. In other words, it's once again, MY FAULT for having a "non-standard" bike. As far as I know, practically all folding bikes - Dahons, Bromptons, Moultons - have wheels of 20" or less. Many BMXs and mountain bikes are also concerned. The class of 20" bikes is by no means insignificant. Because of the convenience of folding, many touring and commuter bikes are also in this category. And if Polar wireless monitors will not work on this entire class, THEY SHOULD DAMN WELL SAY SO IN THE PRODUCT INFORMATION. There is not a breath of information to this effect anywhere on their Web site, or in the manual, or on any product literature. Further experiment has shown that I can get a speed reading if I strap the watch unit directly over the fork. Cadence reading, forget it - I'm still apparently pedalling at 190 rpm. Of course, in that position, the watch monitor is completely invisible and useless for navigation. Upon downloading the exercise file into my computer, I also notice that there is no heart reading for the whole time that I am on my bike as opposed to walking. With the monitor on the fork it is now too far away from the transmitter on my chest. So there is NO POSITION at which the monitor will simultaneously read speed, cadence and heart information and at the same time be visible. If this product worked as it is supposed to, it would be the answer to my prayers. As it is, I call this a badly supported, dishonestly keted, time-wasting, money-wasting piece of shit. EFR Ile de France   Date: 10 Sep 2006 23:36:46 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Bill Sornson wrote: > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote: > >> ... > >> Let me ask you a question Padre. Would you be willing to die (blow > >> yourself up as a suicide bomber in order to advance a cause)? Of > >> course not, but that is exactly what the Muslim extremists are more > >> than willing to do.... > > > > A study by Robert Pape of the University of Chicago collected data > > from all 315 suicide terrorist campaigns from 1980 to 2003, involving > > 462 individuals. His overall finding was the major objective of 95% of > > suicide attacks was to expel foreign military forces from territory > > that the terrorists perceive as their homeland. > > July 27, 2005 > Interview with Pierre Rehov, documentary filmmaker, on psychology behind > suicide bombings > ... > Stop being politically correct and stop believe that this culture is a > victim of ours. Radical Islamism today is nothing but a new form of Nazism.... Comparing a system of nationalistic, militaristic and corporate domination (fascism) to religious fanaticism is so ridiculous, that it puts everything else in the article in serious doubt. The threat of fascism is not from the Muslim world, but is a latent internal threat. To judge by the behavior of groups such as Hezbollah, Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, their preferred form of government would be a combination of theocracy and socialism. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain "We have just got to hope, that whatever retaliatory action the Bush government undertakes to satisfy its own people for the twin towers does the least possible damage to the struggle against terrorism." - Sir Michael Howard   Date: 10 Sep 2006 23:27:22 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor M. Bakunin wrote: > In article <1157599902.731351.181650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > The Chinese (mainland) stopped practicing Leninism quite some time ago, > > and have made the transition to fascism. Current government policy in > > China is to help enrich the capital holding classes by oppressing the > > working classes. > > China is still a communist country. The leaders are issued from the > Communist Party, which controls politics, economy and society.... I do not believe that the current government of mainland China has much in common with what Karl x envisioned as "communism'. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain   Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:31:42 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor M. Bakunin wrote: > In article <P6-dnVjtMYY74WLZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > > > But I don't think the Communists were ever right > > about anything anymore than fuckign anarchists like you are ever right > > you don't think at all, asshole. go say that to the chinese.... The Chinese (mainland) stopped practicing Leninism quite some time ago, and have made the transition to fascism. Current government policy in China is to help enrich the capital holding classes by oppressing the working classes. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain "fdlagjaesgtp4epsadvdsajvadsvadjvdxzjvodjvof adsgvogjvoasjcaoivor6udfda0tvuojdxvosdotvfl" - Ed Dolan     Date: 06 Sep 2006 22:57:43 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <1157599902.731351.181650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote: > The Chinese (mainland) stopped practicing Leninism quite some time ago, > and have made the transition to fascism. Current government policy in > China is to help enrich the capital holding classes by oppressing the > working classes. China is still a communist country. The leaders are issued from the Communist Party, which controls politics, economy and society. Thier form of government is their problem. People have the government they deserve, as a nation (that's why you have the village idiot for president, and his fascistic handlers at the helm). That they have evolved from Leninism is not in debate. But that is also what make them what they are: the possibility to evolve, and adapt to the changes taking place in China and in the world. As for oppressing the working class, this is in the nature of any government. Look at your own country: a corrupt congress (not a week without some indictment, scandal, etc...) refuses to raise the minimum wage, but they vote for themselves an $11,000 raise. And there is not one senator who's not a millionaire. As to enrich the capital holding classes by oppressing the working classes, it seems like a description of the United States, where laws are written by special interest groups (on personal bankruptcy, on health care, on energy, and so on), where lobbyists go around buying politicians. China is no more a democracy than the United States. Different means, same results: the rich and/or the powerful control the populace. Difference being that in the States, the big illusion is that people think they are free. Free to work their ass off to pay the mortgage, to pay the loans for the cars, to pay the loans for the kids college, to pay for basically everything that the banks own. Slaves to their greed, serving the modern masters: the corporations who fuck them to death. That's why fucked up people like the obese stockton (how can he dare posting on bicycle groups, he's so fat he can't barely walk, fucking beer bag) or the mongrel dolan think they are the finest of the world. Fucking brainwashed slaves, big fans of Rush Limbaugh (nazi drug addict) and Fox News. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com       Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:08:29 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:57:43 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote: >In article <1157599902.731351.181650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> The Chinese (mainland) stopped practicing Leninism quite some time ago, >> and have made the transition to fascism. Current government policy in >> China is to help enrich the capital holding classes by oppressing the >> working classes. > >China is still a communist country. The leaders are issued from the >Communist Party, which controls politics, economy and society. Thier >form of government is their problem. People have the government they >deserve, as a nation (that's why you have the village idiot for >president, and his fascistic handlers at the helm). That they have >evolved from Leninism is not in debate. But that is also what make them >what they are: the possibility to evolve, and adapt to the changes >taking place in China and in the world. As for oppressing the working >class, this is in the nature of any government. Look at your own >country: a corrupt congress (not a week without some indictment, >scandal, etc...) refuses to raise the minimum wage, but they vote for >themselves an $11,000 raise. And there is not one senator who's not a >millionaire. As to enrich the capital holding classes by oppressing the >working classes, it seems like a description of the United States, where >laws are written by special interest groups (on personal bankruptcy, on >health care, on energy, and so on), where lobbyists go around buying >politicians. >China is no more a democracy than the United States. Different means, >same results: the rich and/or the powerful control the populace. >Difference being that in the States, the big illusion is that people >think they are free. Free to work their ass off to pay the mortgage, to >pay the loans for the cars, to pay the loans for the kids college, to >pay for basically everything that the banks own. Slaves to their greed, >serving the modern masters: the corporations who fuck them to death. >That's why fucked up people like the obese stockton (how can he dare >posting on bicycle groups, he's so fat he can't barely walk, fucking >beer bag) or the mongrel dolan think they are the finest of the world. >Fucking brainwashed slaves, big fans of Rush Limbaugh (nazi drug addict) >and Fox News. Oh, my... more "facts" from Sheik Bakuni El Looney.   Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:25:16 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote: > ...Jesus Christ, why don't you put a bullet through your f[r]eaking head > and spare the rest of us your miserable messages to Usenet.... I do not believe Jesus takes orders from Mr. Ed, especially ones commanding suicide. In which of the Gospels does it describe Jesus posting "miserable messages" to Usenet? -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain   Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:20:19 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote: > ... > Let me ask you a question Padre. Would you be willing to die (blow yourself > up as a suicide bomber in order to advance a cause)? Of course not, but that > is exactly what the Muslim extremists are more than willing to do.... A study by Robert Pape of the University of Chicago collected data from all 315 suicide terrorist campaigns from 1980 to 2003, involving 462 individuals. His overall finding was the major objective of 95% of suicide attacks was to expel foreign military forces from territory that the terrorists perceive as their homeland. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain     Date: 07 Sep 2006 03:35:39 From: Bill Sornson Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote: >> ... >> Let me ask you a question Padre. Would you be willing to die (blow >> yourself up as a suicide bomber in order to advance a cause)? Of >> course not, but that is exactly what the Muslim extremists are more >> than willing to do.... > > A study by Robert Pape of the University of Chicago collected data > from all 315 suicide terrorist campaigns from 1980 to 2003, involving > 462 individuals. His overall finding was the major objective of 95% of > suicide attacks was to expel foreign military forces from territory > that the terrorists perceive as their homeland. July 27, 2005 Interview with Pierre Rehov, documentary filmmaker, on psychology behind suicide bombings On July 15, I appeared on MSNBC's "Connected" program to discuss the 7/7 London attacks (you can see video of the segment on the linked page). One of my fellow guests was Pierre Rehov, a French filmmaker who has filmed six documentaries on the intifada by going undercover in the Palestinian areas. Pierre's upcoming film, "Suicide Killers," is based on interviews that he conducted with the families of suicide bombers and would-be bombers in an attempt to find out why they do it. Pierre agreed to my request for a Q&A interview here about his work on the new film. Many thanks to Dean Draznin and Arlyn Riskind for helping to arrange this special interview. What inspired you to produce "Suicide Killers," your seventh film? I started working with victims of suicide attacks to make a film on PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) when I became fascinated with the personalities of those who had committed those crimes, as they were described again and again by their victims. Especially the fact that suicide bombers are all smiling one second before they blow themselves up. Why is this film especially important? People don't understand the devastating culture behind this unbelievable phenomenon. My film is not politically correct because it addresses the real problem-showing the real face of Islam. It points the finger against a culture of hatred in which the uneducated are brainwashed to a level where their only solution in life becomes to kill themselves and kill others in the name of a God whose word, as transmitted by other men, has became their only certitude. What insights did you gain from making this film? What do you know that other experts do not know? I came to the conclusion that we are facing a neurosis at the level of an entire civilization. Most neuroses have in common a dramatic event, generally linked to an unacceptable sexual behavior. In this case, we are talking of kids living all their lives in pure frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness or even understanding from the opposite sex. The separation between men and women in Islam is absolute. So is contempt toward women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to a situation of pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. It is no coincidence that suicide killers are mostly young men dominated subconsciously by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil. Since Islam describes heaven as a place where everything on earth will finally be allowed, and promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others and killing themselves to reach this redemption becomes their only solution. What was it like to interview would-be suicide bombers, their families and survivors of suicide bombings? It was a fascinating and a terrifying experience. You are dealing with seemingly normal people with very nice manners who have their own logic, which to a certain extent can make sense since they are so convinced that what they say is true. It is like dealing with pure craziness, like interviewing people in an asylum, since what they say, is for them, the absolute truth. I hear a mother saying "Thank God, my son is dead." Her son had became a shaheed, a tyr, which for her was a greater source of pride than if he had became an engineer, a doctor or a winner of the Nobel Prize. This system of values works completely backwards since their interpretation of Islam worships death much more than life. You are facing people whose only dream, only achievement is to fulfill what they believe to be their destiny, namely to be a shaheed or the family of a shaheed. They don't see the innocent being killed, they only see the impure that they have to destroy. You say suicide bombers experience a moment of absolute power, beyond punishment. Is death the ultimate power? Not death as an end, but death as a door open to the after life. They are seeking the reward that God has promised them. They work for God, the ultimate authority, above all human laws. They therefore experience this single delusional second of absolute power, where nothing bad can ever happen to them, since they become God's sword. Is there a suicide bomber personality profile? Describe the psychopathology. Generally kids between 15 and 25 bearing a lot of complexes, generally inferiority complexes. They must have been fed with religion. They usually have a lack of developed personality. Usually they are impressionable idealists. In the western world they would easily have become drug addicts, but not criminals. Interestingly, they are not criminals since they don't see good and evil the same way that we do. If they had been raised in an Occidental culture, they would have hated violence. But they constantly battle against their own death anxiety. The only solution to this deep-seated pathology is to be willing to die and be rewarded in the after life in Paradise. Are suicide bombers principally motivated by religious conviction? Yes, it is their only conviction. They don't act to gain a territory or to find freedom or even dignity. They only follow Allah, the supreme judge, and what He tells them to do. Do all Muslims interpret jihad and tyrdom in the same way? All Muslim believers believe that, ultimately, Islam will prevail on earth. They believe this is the only true religion and their is no room, in their mind, for interpretation. The main difference between moderate Muslims and extremists is that moderate Muslims don't think they will see the absolute victory of Islam during their life time, therefore they respect other beliefs. The extremists believe that the fulfillment of the Prophecy of Islam and ruling the entire world as described in the Koran, is for today. Each victory of Bin Laden convinces 20 million moderate Muslims to become extremists. Describe the culture that manufactures suicide bombers. Oppression, lack of freedom, brain washing, organized poverty, placing God in charge of daily life, total separation between men and women, forbidding sex, giving women no power whatsoever, and placing men in charge of family honor, which is mainly connected to their women's behavior. What socio-economic forces support the perpetuation of suicide bombings? Muslim charity is usually a cover for supporting terrorist organizations. But one has also to look at countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iran, which are also supporting the same organizations through different networks. The ironic thing in the case of Palestinian suicide bombers is that most of the money comes through financial support from the Occidental world, donated to a culture that utterly hates and rejects the West (mainly symbolized by Israel). Is there a financial support network for the families of the suicide bombers? If so, who is paying them and how does that affect the decision? There used to be a financial incentive in the days of Saddam Hussein ($25,000 per family) and Yasser Arafat (smaller amounts), but these days are gone. It is a mistake to believe that these families would sacrifice their children for money. Although, the children themselves who are very attached to their families, might find in this financial support another reason to become suicide bombers. It is like buying a life insurance policy and then committing suicide. Why are so many suicide bombers young men? As discussed above, libido is paramount. Also ego, because this is a sure way to become a hero. The shaheeds are the cowboys or the firemen of Islam. Shaheed is a positively reinforced value in this culture. And what kid has never dreamed of becoming a cowboy or a fireman? What role does the U.N. play in the terrorist equation? The UN is in the hands of Arab countries and third world or ex-communists countries. Their hands are tied. The UN has condemned Israel more than any other country in the world, including the regime of Castro, Idi Amin or Kaddahfi. By behaving this way, the UN leaves a door open by not openly condemning terrorist organizations. In addition, through UNRWA, the UN is directly tied to terror organizations such as Hamas, representing 65 percent of their apparatus in the so-called Palestinian refugee camps. As a support to Arab countries, the UN has maintained Palestinians in camps with the hope to "return" into Israel for more than 50 years, therefore making it impossible to settle those populations, which still live in deplorable conditions. Four-hundred million dollars are spent every year, mainly financed by U.S. taxes, to support 23,000 employees of UNRWA, many of whom belong to terrorist organizations (see Congressman Eric Cantor on this subject, and in my film "Hostages of Hatred"). You say that a suicide bomber is a 'stupid bomb and a st bomb' simultaneously. Explain what you mean. Unlike an electronic device, a suicide killer has until the last second the capacity to change his mind. In reality, he is nothing but a platform representing interests which are not his, but he doesn't know it. How can we put an end to the madness of suicide bombings and terrorism in general? Stop being politically correct and stop believe that this culture is a victim of ours. Radical Islamism today is nothing but a new form of Nazism. Nobody was trying to justify or excuse Hitler in the 1930s. We had to defeat him in order to make peace one day with the German people. Are these men traveling outside their native areas in large numbers? Based on your research, would you predict that we are beginning to see a new wave of suicide bombings outside the Middle East? Every successful terror attack is considered a victory by the radical Islamists. Everywhere Islam is expands there is regional conflict. Right now, their are thousands of candidates for tyrdom lining up in training camps in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Inside Europe, hundreds of illegal mosques are preparing the next step of brain washing to lost young men who cannot find a satisfying identity in the Occidental world. Israel is much more prepared for this than the rest of the world will ever be. Yes, there will be more suicide killings in Europe and the U.S. Sadly, this is only the beginning. Posted by Andrew Cochran at 04:43 PM   Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:26:30 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor di (who?) anonymously snipes: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1157380387.740668.124800@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > di (who?) anonymously snipes: > >> "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1157357671.434338.183970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> >> Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that > >> >> might get their attention. > >> > > >> > Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism > >> > aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had > >> > the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, > >> > Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the > >> > mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, > >> > Spain had the basque separatists and so on. > >> > > >> > Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although > >> > terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention > >> > back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed > >> > terrorism. > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > padre > >> > > >> > >> That's a crock, appeasement is your defense. > > > > The means of terrorists are morally illegitimate, but often their > > demands are morally legitimate. If a society/government follows a > > morally correct course, they will not be put in the position of > > appearing to appease terrorists by changing to morally correct > > policies. > > > > While there will always be those who will kill for pathological > > reasons, e.g. Charles Whitman, if the legitimate grievances are > > removed, support for and membership in non-governmental terrorist > > organizations will dissipate. > > Bullshit The detail and eloquence of your argumentation is astounding. I assume you are disagreeing with "The means of terrorists are morally illegitimate" portion of my post. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain   Date: 04 Sep 2006 07:33:07 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor di wrote: > "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1157357671.434338.183970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that > >> might get their attention. > > > > Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism > > aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had > > the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, > > Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the > > mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, > > Spain had the basque separatists and so on. > > > > Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although > > terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention > > back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed > > terrorism. > > > > > > -- > > padre > > > > That's a crock, appeasement is your defense. The means of terrorists are morally illegitimate, but often their demands are morally legitimate. If a society/government follows a morally correct course, they will not be put in the position of appearing to appease terrorists by changing to morally correct policies. While there will always be those who will kill for pathological reasons, e.g. Charles Whitman, if the legitimate grievances are removed, support for and membership in non-governmental terrorist organizations will dissipate. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain     Date: 06 Sep 2006 22:55:54 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157380387.740668.124800@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > di wrote: >> "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1157357671.434338.183970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that >> >> might get their attention. >> > >> > Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism >> > aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had >> > the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, >> > Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the >> > mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, >> > Spain had the basque separatists and so on. >> > >> > Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although >> > terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention >> > back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed >> > terrorism. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > padre >> > >> >> That's a crock, appeasement is your defense. > > The means of terrorists are morally illegitimate, but often their > demands are morally legitimate. If a society/government follows a > morally correct course, they will not be put in the position of > appearing to appease terrorists by changing to morally correct > policies. [...] Those who feel aggrieved by their governments can protest and object all they want, even to the point of taking up arms. But why bother the rest of the world with their grievances. What is really happening in the Muslim world is an objection to their confounded governments that exist in that world. Why are they taking it to the West. Hells Bells, all we want is their g.d. freaking oil for which we are paying a premium price. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 04 Sep 2006 10:47:39 From: di Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157380387.740668.124800@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > di wrote: >> "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1157357671.434338.183970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that >> >> might get their attention. >> > >> > Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism >> > aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had >> > the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, >> > Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the >> > mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, >> > Spain had the basque separatists and so on. >> > >> > Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although >> > terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention >> > back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed >> > terrorism. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > padre >> > >> >> That's a crock, appeasement is your defense. > > The means of terrorists are morally illegitimate, but often their > demands are morally legitimate. If a society/government follows a > morally correct course, they will not be put in the position of > appearing to appease terrorists by changing to morally correct > policies. > > While there will always be those who will kill for pathological > reasons, e.g. Charles Whitman, if the legitimate grievances are > removed, support for and membership in non-governmental terrorist > organizations will dissipate. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain Bullshit >   Date: 04 Sep 2006 05:01:48 From: Padre Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor > That's a crock, appeasement is your defense. Not really. It's not as if the justice system of any European country has accepted any acts of terrorism, obviously the crimes have been investigated and culprits have been brought to justivce when found. However the political system and large parts of the population seems to have focused more on the causes of terrorism. Also this seems to have been succesful in that "local" terrorism seems to be dying out. What terrorism we have today seems to stem from the Middle East politics of the US. -- padre     Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:20:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157371308.864853.122200@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... >> That's a crock, appeasement is your defense. > > Not really. It's not as if the justice system of any European country > has accepted any acts of terrorism, obviously the crimes have been > investigated and culprits have been brought to justivce when found. > However the political system and large parts of the population seems to > have focused more on the causes of terrorism. > > Also this seems to have been succesful in that "local" terrorism seems > to be dying out. What terrorism we have today seems to stem from the > Middle East politics of the US. Padre is insane of course. All it will take to convince him and others of his ilk is a nuclear bomb going off and destroying a major European city. But the Europeans have always been like this, appeasers and cowards to the bitter end. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 04 Sep 2006 01:14:31 From: Padre Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor > Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that > might get their attention. Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, Spain had the basque separatists and so on. Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed terrorism. -- padre     Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:12:24 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157357671.434338.183970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that >> might get their attention. > > Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism > aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had > the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, > Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the > mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, > Spain had the basque separatists and so on. > > Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although > terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention > back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed > terrorism. Padre, you are an idiot, as are all Europeans. Clinton tired to handle the problem of Muslim terrorism as a criminal matter and that failed utterly. The fact is that we (the West) are at war with Islam and there is no way to handle them except to go for their jugular. Let me ask you a question Padre. Would you be willing to die (blow yourself up as a suicide bomber in order to advance a cause)? Of course not, but that is exactly what the Muslim extremists are more than willing to do. The only resource the West has is to track them down and kill them. I can't tell you how much I believe in preemptive wars like the Iraq War in order to prevent the ultimate catastrophe - a nuclear war. Bush is the world's greatest and only world leader at the present moment in the war against the Islamists. God Bless President Bush! The Brits need to get their heads screwed on straight with regard to what is at stake. Tony Blair has been right on so far, but I know that most Brits are basically cowards and appeasers just like the g.d. French We Americans are the only ones who stand in the way of total world chaos. The cravenness of the rest of the world is beyond my comprehension. Maybe Mr. Sherman of ARBR, a notorious left wing liberal kook, could explain it to me. I would like to see an American Pax imposed on the world by force of arms if necessary. Frankly, I do not trust the Erupeans anymore be to our allies. We Americans are like the Roman Empire of old. I would nuke anyone who got in our way of imposing world order. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:43:59 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <c_-dnfVNV818yGLZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@prairiewave.com >, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > Americans are like the Roman Empire of old. the first time you make any sense. to be precise: the end of the roman empire. you don't even realize it, fucking inbred nazi. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com         Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:57:48 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-17FB13.18434406092006@News-East.Usenet.com... > In article <c_-dnfVNV818yGLZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> Americans are like the Roman Empire of old. > > the first time you make any sense. to be precise: the end of the roman > empire. you don't even realize it, fucking inbred nazi. Hey, Bakunin, you freaking idiot, even the Nazis, like a stopped clock, were right about a few things. But I don't think the Communists were ever right about anything anymore than fuckign anarchists like you are ever right about anything. Jesus Christ, why don't you put a bullet through your feaking head and spare the rest of us your miserable messages to Usenet. Bakunin has taken a user name which identifies him as a very evil scoundrel of the first rank. He deserves to be executed forthwith for his blasphemies against democracy and republican forms of governance. He is a thousand times worse than Tom Sherman, the democratic liberal left wing nut, who is a bit wrongheaded but can be saved if only he would listen to the likes of me. But Bakunin is beyond the pale. I curse his very name! The rest of you need to do a Google search on the name 'Bakunin' to know the kind of scum we have here. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota           Date: 06 Sep 2006 21:48:48 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <P6-dnVjtMYY74WLZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com >, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > But I don't think the Communists were ever right > about anything anymore than fuckign anarchists like you are ever right you don't think at all, asshole. go say that to the chinese. they are holding you by the balls right now. and i'm not talking about the deficit, but also financially, through the notes they are buying back from other countries for the last four years. if you could unglue yourself from your fox channel and read serious newspapers (but you're limited by language), you would get a dose of humility. maybe. and politically by fucking you up at any opportunity, like at the united nations. but you're stupidity shields you, dolan the mongrel, from understanding what's going on in the world. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com             Date: 06 Sep 2006 23:38:24 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-7CB4DD.21484806092006@mp3-east.newsfeeds.com... > In article <P6-dnVjtMYY74WLZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> But I don't think the Communists were ever right >> about anything anymore than fucking anarchists like you are ever right > > you don't think at all, asshole. go say that to the chinese. they are > holding you by the balls right now. and i'm not talking about the > deficit, but also financially, through the notes they are buying back > from other countries for the last four years. if you could unglue > yourself from your fox channel and read serious newspapers (but you're > limited by language), you would get a dose of humility. maybe. and > politically by fucking you up at any opportunity, like at the united > nations. but you're stupidity shields you, dolan the mongrel, from > understanding what's going on in the world. Yes, yes, the Chinese are going to take over the world and they have been predicted to do that for well over a thousand years - and yet they never have. And they never will either because their internal problems are insurmountable. The fact is that they are over developed and always have been. Just too many Chinese. They are generally a nuisance anywhere they go in the world. Indonesia had to kill many hundreds of thousands of them not so many years ago. But hey, Bakunin, you freaking stupid asshole, you go with the Chinese and I will stick with the West. It remains to be seen who will be on top in another hundred years. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota           Date: 06 Sep 2006 21:42:40 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <P6-dnVjtMYY74WLZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com >, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > even the Nazis, like a stopped clock, were > right about a few things. at last you showing you true colors. fucking nazi! -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com           Date: 07 Sep 2006 02:01:45 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:57:48 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> wrote in message >news:a-17FB13.18434406092006@News-East.Usenet.com... >> In article <c_-dnfVNV818yGLZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >> >>> Americans are like the Roman Empire of old. >> >> the first time you make any sense. to be precise: the end of the roman >> empire. you don't even realize it, fucking inbred nazi. > >Hey, Bakunin, you freaking idiot, even the Nazis, like a stopped clock, were >right about a few things. But I don't think the Communists were ever right >about anything anymore than fuckign anarchists like you are ever right about >anything. Jesus Christ, why don't you put a bullet through your feaking head >and spare the rest of us your miserable messages to Usenet. > >Bakunin has taken a user name which identifies him as a very evil scoundrel >of the first rank. He deserves to be executed forthwith for his blasphemies >against democracy and republican forms of governance. He is a thousand times >worse than Tom Sherman, the democratic liberal left wing nut, who is a bit >wrongheaded but can be saved if only he would listen to the likes of me. But >Bakunin is beyond the pale. I curse his very name! > >The rest of you need to do a Google search on the name 'Bakunin' to know the >kind of scum we have here. > >Regards, > >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >aka >Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Look at this crap from Sheik Bakuni El Looney's touted web site: http://www.anarchy.net/doc/library/disobedience/jury-duty.txt "Every anarchist living in democratically-occupied territory should seek the opportunity to serve jury duty. This is one of the few times any citizen will have any power recognized by their government to change the direction or force of their government. Or to suggest a moral approach to this situation, one should "give as they receive". It is cowardly and the squadering of a fantastic opportunity to attempt to avoid jury duty. As a member of a jury, if you find a defendant to be not guilty, they cannot be prosecuted. If your fellow jurors vote guilty and you vote not guilty, that is called a "hung jury" and the defendent's case will is dismissed, though he can be prosecuted again for the same alleged crimes. If you can convince the rest of the jury that the defendent is not guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" then the defendant's charges will be dismissed and he cannot be retried on them. Since as a member you can always single-handedly hang a jury, the more ambitious goal is to convince the rest of the jury that the defendant is not guilty "yeahond a reasonable doubt." This is not as difficult as it sounds once you apply an intelligent approach to the pursuit of this goal. - getting selected for a jury - look normal - not radical - not too uptight so that the defense doesn't exclude you - give good answers to jury questions - claim no knowledge - claim no biases, preferences, limits, tendencies, etc - in jury meetings - psychology of authority - self-confidence, assertiveness, dominance - communication sciences - the case where the defendant is a prominant member of one of the two current branches of government (i.e., democrat or republican) or a member of the bourgeois - arguments: - beyond a reasonable doubt - what that entails - jury nullification: - what this means - how to argue and promote it - flier handouts at court: - check leaflettering laws for your state - collection of these laws by state"             Date: 06 Sep 2006 23:06:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote in message news:f8vuf29rripnbvah9sp29gsci01q6kgl61@4ax.com... > On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 20:57:48 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: > >> >>"M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> wrote in message >>news:a-17FB13.18434406092006@News-East.Usenet.com... >>> In article <c_-dnfVNV818yGLZnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Americans are like the Roman Empire of old. >>> >>> the first time you make any sense. to be precise: the end of the roman >>> empire. you don't even realize it, fucking inbred nazi. >> >>Hey, Bakunin, you freaking idiot, even the Nazis, like a stopped clock, >>were >>right about a few things. But I don't think the Communists were ever right >>about anything anymore than fuckign anarchists like you are ever right >>about >>anything. Jesus Christ, why don't you put a bullet through your feaking >>head >>and spare the rest of us your miserable messages to Usenet. >> >>Bakunin has taken a user name which identifies him as a very evil >>scoundrel >>of the first rank. He deserves to be executed forthwith for his >>blasphemies >>against democracy and republican forms of governance. He is a thousand >>times >>worse than Tom Sherman, the democratic liberal left wing nut, who is a bit >>wrongheaded but can be saved if only he would listen to the likes of me. >>But >>Bakunin is beyond the pale. I curse his very name! >> >>The rest of you need to do a Google search on the name 'Bakunin' to know >>the >>kind of scum we have here. >> >>Regards, >> >>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >>aka >>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >> > > Look at this crap from Sheik Bakuni El Looney's touted web site: > > http://www.anarchy.net/doc/library/disobedience/jury-duty.txt > > "Every anarchist living in democratically-occupied territory should > seek the opportunity to serve jury duty. This is one of the few times > any citizen will have any power recognized by their government to > change the direction or force of their government. Or to suggest a > moral approach to this situation, one should "give as they receive". > It is cowardly and the squadering of a fantastic opportunity to > attempt to avoid jury duty. As a member of a jury, if you find a > defendant to be not guilty, they cannot be prosecuted. If your fellow > jurors vote guilty and you vote not guilty, that is called a "hung > jury" and the defendent's case will is dismissed, though he can be > prosecuted again for the same alleged crimes. If you can convince the > rest of the jury that the defendent is not guilty "beyond a reasonable > doubt" then the defendant's charges will be dismissed and he cannot be > retried on them. > > Since as a member you can always single-handedly hang a jury, the more > ambitious goal is to convince the rest of the jury that the defendant > is not guilty "yeahond a reasonable doubt." This is not as difficult > as it sounds once you apply an intelligent approach to the pursuit of > this goal. > > - getting selected for a jury > - look normal > - not radical > - not too uptight so that the defense doesn't exclude you > - give good answers to jury questions > - claim no knowledge > - claim no biases, preferences, limits, tendencies, etc > > - in jury meetings > - psychology of authority > - self-confidence, assertiveness, dominance > - communication sciences > > - the case where the defendant is a prominant member of one of the two > current branches of government (i.e., democrat or republican) or a > member > of the bourgeois > > - arguments: > - beyond a reasonable doubt > - what that entails > > - jury nullification: > - what this means > - how to argue and promote it > > - flier handouts at court: > - check leaflettering laws for your state > - collection of these laws by state" Brickston, you have identified one of the chief assholes (Bakunin) of all time on these cycling newsgroups. Unless and until he explains his anarchism I will have to let him go fuck himself as I have only a limited amount of patience with fools and knaves like him. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 07 Sep 2006 05:30:05 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > Brickston, you have identified one of the chief assholes (Bakunin) of all > time on these cycling newsgroups. Unless and until he explains his anarchism > I will have to let him go fuck himself as I have only a limited amount of > patience with fools and knaves like him. Perhaps they (Brick and Bakunin) should be locked in a room together and solve a lot of the nastiness going around. Even BS doesn't irritate as much. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                 Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:06:27 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:30:05 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >Perhaps they (Brick and Bakunin) should be locked in a room together and >solve a lot of the nastiness going around. Even BS doesn't irritate as much. >Bill Baka Maybe I ought to look up that hot daughter of yours, Billy boy, an old geezer like you, she must be over the age of consent. Then we'll see how good you are in the art of hand to hand. After I kick the living crap out of you, perhaps I'll punish you further and make sure you get the first wedding invitation. Oh, and the very few times your allowed near my house, you'll have to call her "Mrs. Brickston" in my presence.     Date: 04 Sep 2006 13:42:16 From: wvantwiller Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com > wrote in news:1157357671.434338.183970 @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: >> Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that >> might get their attention. > > Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism > aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had > the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, > Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the > mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, > Spain had the basque separatists and so on. > > Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although > terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention > back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed > terrorism. > > We sorta got rid of our domestically-grown terrorists when the Klan got busted. Great story in the book Freakonomics on how it happened, if you get a chance to read it. Of course, the terror was only against the non-mainstream or 'unimportant' parts of society (e.g., not the booboisie or the Newport-style Idle Rich) so it wasn't a 'real' problem. Still, we did have our S(tudents for a) D(emocratic) S(ociety) and Black Panther reaction to those trying to deny the US ever left the 1950s. Not that MAJOR portions of the US has EVER left them, anyway.       Date: 04 Sep 2006 18:50:53 From: Al C-F Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i wvantwiller wrote: > "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1157357671.434338.183970 > @i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > >>>Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that >>>might get their attention. >> >>Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism >>aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had >>the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, >>Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the >>mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, >>Spain had the basque separatists and so on. >> >>Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although >>terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention >>back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed >>terrorism. >> >> > > > We sorta got rid of our domestically-grown terrorists when the Klan got > busted. Thus freeing you to support terrorism in our country. (NORAID)     Date: 04 Sep 2006 06:15:03 From: di Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157357671.434338.183970@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Or course if some terrorists flew a plane into the Eiffel tower that >> might get their attention. > > Americans often seem to be ignorant of the fact that acts of terrorism > aren't new to the European countries. Germany had Rote Armee, Italy had > the Brigade Rossi (or whatever), France had Algerian separatists, > Moroccan dittos and other disgruntles groups, for instance, in the > mid-80's there was a period of bombing in Paris. UK had the Irish, > Spain had the basque separatists and so on. > > Basically we've handled terrorism in Europe for decades, and although > terrorists have had our attention, we have tried to shift attention > back to what matters: keeping our societies so that they do not breed > terrorism. > > > -- > padre > That's a crock, appeasement is your defense.   Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:18:04 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor M. Bakunin wrote: > In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > > > The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever > > the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. > > stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge > how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock > down 2 towers and 3000+ people. > every time you post something you do a demonstration of your stupidity. > you are so confused that it's not fun anymore. you really need help. > as for the french, english, german, and the rest of the planet your > government could not buy or coerce into helping invade iraq, they do not > despise the u.s.,... Er, Tony "Lap Dog" Blair contributed UK forces to the conquest and occupation of Iraq. > they just don't want to have anything to do with your > war monger fascistic so-called leaders. plain and simple. unlike you, > they are st enough to make up their own mind, and are able to make a > distinction between the village idiot and his handlers, brain washed > republicans and taliban-type christian extremists and the rest of the > american population. people like you pollute democracy, and make it > impossible for people with different political preferences to exchange > idea and have intelligent and fruitful discussions. On the other hand, consider the possibility that Ed Dolan is just trolling and does not really believe what he is saying. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain     Date: 01 Sep 2006 20:32:48 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157156284.929586.240470@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > M. Bakunin wrote: >> In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >> >> > The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve >> > whatever >> > the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >> >> stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >> how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >> down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> every time you post something you do a demonstration of your stupidity. >> you are so confused that it's not fun anymore. you really need help. >> as for the french, english, german, and the rest of the planet your >> government could not buy or coerce into helping invade iraq, they do not >> despise the u.s.,... > > Er, Tony "Lap Dog" Blair contributed UK forces to the conquest and > occupation of Iraq. Yes, but we know that Blair was not popular in England for doing so. >> they just don't want to have anything to do with your >> war monger fascistic so-called leaders. plain and simple. unlike you, >> they are st enough to make up their own mind, and are able to make a >> distinction between the village idiot and his handlers, brain washed >> republicans and taliban-type christian extremists and the rest of the >> american population. people like you pollute democracy, and make it >> impossible for people with different political preferences to exchange >> idea and have intelligent and fruitful discussions. > > On the other hand, consider the possibility that Ed Dolan is just > trolling and does not really believe what he is saying. I do not like Islamic terrorists, unlike Mr. Sherman who has in the past equated Muslims (Palestinian terrorists) with Israelis. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 01 Sep 2006 03:08:57 From: Padre Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Edward Dolan skrev: > No, you confounded idiot, the French will not defend Western Civilization > and that is why they are despicable. Ohhh maaan - stop stop stop, I'm laughing too hard, this is just not good for me. heeheeheee Oh boy - what a laugh. -- padre     Date: 01 Sep 2006 21:22:56 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157105337.832160.70070@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Edward Dolan skrev: > >> No, you confounded idiot, the French will not defend Western Civilization >> and that is why they are despicable. > > Ohhh maaan - stop stop stop, I'm laughing too hard, this is just not > good for me. Yes, that is what happens when you sell your soul to the Devil in order to have some business with Arab thugs. The French are basically swine and all Europeans know this even if some Americans don't. They not only facilitate Muslim extremism, but they are anti-Israel, This fits right in with their notorious anti-Semitism. Anyone who does not hate the g.d. French is crazy. Hells Bells, even the French hate the French! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 01 Sep 2006 21:44:32 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <98mdnZne_7WedmXZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@prairiewave.com >, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > Yes, that is what happens when you sell your soul to the Devil are you on cheap booze, drugs, or just a congenital idiot? or maybe all of the above. what you say doesn't make any sense. a clod proud of it and broadcasting it all over by cross-posting. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY ***         Date: 02 Sep 2006 08:37:29 From: Simon Brooke Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor in message <a-DE5428.21443201092006@News-East.Usenet.com >, M. Bakunin ('a@mortaucons.org') wrote: > In article <98mdnZne_7WedmXZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> Yes, that is what happens when you sell your soul to the Devil > > are you on cheap booze, drugs, or just a congenital idiot? The latter. Killfile him; he's a well-known attention-seeking prat. -- simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; I'd rather live in sybar-space           Date: 02 Sep 2006 09:22:13 From: Tony Raven Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Simon Brooke wrote on 02/09/2006 08:37 +0100: > > The latter. Killfile him; he's a well-known attention-seeking prat. > Is that a euphemism for Troll? -- Tony "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory." - Leonardo da Vinci         Date: 01 Sep 2006 21:55:14 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-DE5428.21443201092006@News-East.Usenet.com... > In article <98mdnZne_7WedmXZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> Yes, that is what happens when you sell your soul to the Devil > > are you on cheap booze, drugs, or just a congenital idiot? > or maybe all of the above. what you say doesn't make any sense. > a clod proud of it and broadcasting it all over by cross-posting. The English (uk.rec.cycling) are always interested in what the Great Ed Dolan thinks of the French, their eternal enemy from time immemorial. I will never make any sense to you because you cannot read any better than you can write. I will began to pay some attention to you if and when you write properly using capital letters where required and if and when you explain your despicable anarchist user name. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota           Date: 01 Sep 2006 22:05:16 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <aKudnTsG6-4Lb2XZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@prairiewave.com >, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > I will never make any sense to you because you cannot read any better than > you can write. I will began to pay some attention to you if and when you > write properly using capital letters where required and if and when you > explain your despicable anarchist user name. my poor retard, that's the best you can come up with? -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY ***             Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:51:39 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-0CBEC4.22051601092006@News-East.Usenet.com... > In article <aKudnTsG6-4Lb2XZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> I will never make any sense to you because you cannot read any better >> than >> you can write. I will began to pay some attention to you if and when you >> write properly using capital letters where required and if and when you >> explain your despicable anarchist user name. > > my poor retard, that's the best you can come up with? You are the most wonderful fool-idiot that Usenet has yet come up with. Hang in there as there are many other idiots on these cycling newsgroups who will want to converse with you. But you are just too, too stupid for me. Hey, Bakunin, take your anarchism and stuff it up your ass why don't you? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 02 Sep 2006 02:52:17 From: Bill Sornson Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor M. Bakunin wrote: > are you on cheap booze, drugs, or just a congenital idiot? special ed brothel? tsk-tsk.   Date: 30 Aug 2006 08:15:28 From: Padre Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > Ca fait peur, hein? > Jo - M5 Tica Au fait je l'ai trouv=E9 tr=E9s practique pour m'aider =E1 d=E9terminer qu'il est totalement con --=20 padre     Date: 30 Aug 2006 20:42:39 From: Andrew Price Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On 30 Aug 2006 08:15:28 -0700, "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com > wrote: >> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >> >> Ca fait peur, hein? >> Jo - M5 Tica > >Au fait je l'ai trouvé trés practique pour m'aider á déterminer >qu'il est totalement con Oui, c'est un cas sans espoir - un con fini, quoi ...     Date: 30 Aug 2006 12:50:14 From: di Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Padre" <spirito_santo@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1156950928.541652.110220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > Ca fait peur, hein? > Jo - M5 Tica Au fait je l'ai trouvé trés practique pour m'aider á déterminer qu'il est totalement con -- padre lkolhiad oay ;lak [09 ohx;xlkh lkj 'PJ JN[O0JJ NJO'I[ LJO mjc[apoij a'jij mjpoij asmpoj amspoj mspoij laloj oj[joi0 lkmhjhy g97g a'[;i just my opinion!!   Date: 30 Aug 2006 04:20:10 From: dkahn400 Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Jo wrote: > Edward Dolan wrote: > > French is an impossible language. I once tried to learn it in college a= nd I > > ended up hating everything French. I think it is their confounded langu= age > > that prevents them from thinking clearly about anything. > > Ben voil=E0: =E7a explique tout. C'est pour =E7a que Mochet et Faure n'ont > rien r=E9ussi. Ne pas nourrir les trolls!=20 --=20 Dave...   Date: 14 Aug 2006 07:43:06 From: Andrew Templeman Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr > wrote: > > On paper, the Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor and Bike computer answered > all my dreams. It has wireless captors for speed and cadence, a high > spec HRM with all sorts of exercise configurations, and comes with a > software program to do the extraction of the speed and heart data into > graph form. It also captures elevation information and temperature, two > details I was very interested in as I am a caloriphobe and as the trip > to work is quite hilly. Another plus is that it can store files over > about a week, so that I do not have to transfer information immediately > at the end of every exercise session. > > I had, however, certain queries about the use of the wireless sensors on > the 20" wheeled folding bike with its extra-long reach. Some people in > these forums had warned me that some cheap wireless sensors do not work > on this architecture of bike. I remember read about this recently. It doesn't affect me as I use a bike with larger wheels. see this to change the sensor power output. http://www.polarusa.com/service_repair/show_faq_con.asp?ID=26 -- Andy Templeman <http://www.templeman.org.uk/ >     Date: 14 Aug 2006 10:02:05 From: Dan Gregory Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Brick Lane Beigel Shop http://www.london-eating.co.uk/2687.htm http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Greater_London/London-309228/Restaurants-London-Brick_Lane-BR-1.html Bon Appétit Dan Gregory   Date: 13 Aug 2006 12:52:22 From: Tom Keats Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <g2LDg.7945$kO3.1535@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com >, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > writes: > Speaking as a bike shop owner, trust me, I have lost a *lot* of hair over > the years, for the benefit of my customers. Watch out. Hair loss can be a testosterone thing ;-) cheers, & I wish I didn't have this huge mop of hair with which I'm inflicted (pass the testosterone,) Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca   Date: 13 Aug 2006 11:55:17 From: Will Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: > I like to track my own fitness data on my bike trip to work and on the > exercycle I use in the winter. For this I have been using a Sigma HRM > and a separate bike computers for several years. I keep track of the > readings in my Palmtop and from time to time save the files onto my > computer. But I still "haven't gotten round" to writing that PERL > program that would extract the data to table form that will go into > Excel and produce lots of lovely graphs. > > I compete with myself on the trip out to work. It is always the same > distance, and I enjoy it when I can break a time record, although this > depends on factors beyond my control such as traffic lights as much as > on my riding. Recently, the very nice and functional Sigma BC1600 > computer on my folding bike Flyzipper broke when the sensor wire got > caught in the pedal as I was unfolding the bike. This led me to the idea > that I should get a wireless computer for Fly. > > On paper, the Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor and Bike computer answered > all my dreams. It has wireless captors for speed and cadence, a high > spec HRM with all sorts of exercise configurations, and comes with a > software program to do the extraction of the speed and heart data into > graph form. It also captures elevation information and temperature, two > details I was very interested in as I am a caloriphobe and as the trip > to work is quite hilly. Another plus is that it can store files over > about a week, so that I do not have to transfer information immediately > at the end of every exercise session. > > I had, however, certain queries about the use of the wireless sensors on > the 20" wheeled folding bike with its extra-long reach. Some people in > these forums had warned me that some cheap wireless sensors do not work > on this architecture of bike. > > The Polar is anything but a cheap tool, even on Ebay approaching 300$ > with its optional extras of cadence sensor and infrared USB interface > for downloading files to the computer, but I did my homework carefully. > I contacted the Helpdesk in Finland and posted queries in these bike > newsgroups, and everywhere the same, satisfactory information came back: > the capture range of the Polar sensors could be extended by the > repositioning of a jumper switch to up to 110 cm. > > I bought the tool new at the beginning of July. I put it on my bike. The > distance of the watch on the handlebar mount to the speed sensor on the > front wheel is about 80 cm, and to the cadence captor on the frame at > the nearest point to the pedal crank is about 1m. > > Sure enough, the HRM captured no data coming from the bike. The captors > were working with their magnets, because they obediently flashed their > little orange light when they were passed by the crank or the wheel > spoke. However, the watch on the handlebar mount was too far away to > pick up any data. There was some highly spurious data in the exercise > file - cadence at 183, I think not! - and some speed readings that > seemed applicable to the morning ride, but for which the distance given > was only 500 m (the actual trip is 9.25 km). > > I do not like the trip home very much as the traffic is far too heavy by > that hour, and it is down some very steep hills, making it difficult and > dangerous without much use as a workout. So part of the way I ride on a > suburban train or RER. I quickly noticed that the HRM would go haywire > as I approached the end of my journey, with readings of 230 bpm (my max > being 176). Even turning off the exercise reading well before I > approached the train line yielded this result. So it would not capture > speed data 80 cms away, but a train line at 100 m would send it crazy. > There are also warnings in the manual to keep it away from strong > magnetic fields such as cars! Now, I would love to keep away from cars > on a commute to work, but even leaving the house at 6:30 AM I just can't > get them to keep away from me! > > Accordingly, I contacted the Polar Technical Support about having the > sensors readjusted. I wasn't going to try anything myself, because that > would invalidate the guarantee. > > The Technical Support is in Biarritz. There is no local help available > in the Paris region. They are also a bitch to contact because it is one > of those systems in which you are shifted from one recorded message to > another for half an hour, without ever being able to speak to anything > human, and they charge you 0.34=80 the minute for all of this. In the end, > the recorded voice just tells you there is no one available to answer > you, so call again later. It took me well over a week just to get > through, and of course this is business hours only so it had to be on my > mobile phone and from my office - not only expensive but bad for > professional image. > > So I sent the captors back for readjustment. They returned, I spent > another afternoon getting them set up on my bike, but the results were > exactly the same as they had been. > > Another week trying to get through to Technical Support. They finally > tell me I have to send the watch unit in with the sensors. This I do. > The three items come back 10 days later, I spend another Sunday > afternoon in setup, and still the same results. > > Finally, the guys at Biarritz tell me that in fact the maximum range is > not 110 cm but 80 under "optimal conditions" (i.e. no brake in the way), > that the Finnish information is from a keting, and not a technical > point of view, and therefore misleading, and that in essence, the tool > is "not designed" to work on this architecture of bike. They make it > sound as though the case of a bike with 20" wheels and a fork only about > 2" wide is so abstruse that it can be ignored. In other words, it's once > again, MY FAULT for having a "non-standard" bike. > > As far as I know, practically all folding bikes - Dahons, Bromptons, > Moultons - have wheels of 20" or less. Many BMXs and mountain bikes are > also concerned. The class of 20" bikes is by no means insignificant. > Because of the convenience of folding, many touring and commuter bikes > are also in this category. > > And if Polar wireless monitors will not work on this entire class, THEY > SHOULD DAMN WELL SAY SO IN THE PRODUCT INFORMATION. > > There is not a breath of information to this effect anywhere on their > Web site, or in the manual, or on any product literature. > > Further experiment has shown that I can get a speed reading if I strap > the watch unit directly over the fork. Cadence reading, forget it - I'm > still apparently pedalling at 190 rpm. Of course, in that position, the > watch monitor is completely invisible and useless for navigation. Upon > downloading the exercise file into my computer, I also notice that there > is no heart reading for the whole time that I am on my bike as opposed > to walking. With the monitor on the fork it is now too far away from the > transmitter on my chest. So there is NO POSITION at which the monitor > will simultaneously read speed, cadence and heart information and at the > same time be visible. > > If this product worked as it is supposed to, it would be the answer to > my prayers. As it is, I call this a badly supported, dishonestly > keted, time-wasting, money-wasting piece of shit. > > EFR > Ile de France This is where having a good LBS comes into play. My LBS guided me to a wired system. They had not had the great success with wireless and recommended a cheaper, slightly heavier and (for them) harder to install system.   Date: 13 Aug 2006 11:30:01 From: Tom Keats Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <44df64a0$0$29125$636a55ce@news.free.fr >, Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr > writes: > Dan Gregory wrote: > >> Il y a toujours des bagels a Brick Lane? >> They were the best you could get.. > > Didn't know they had bagels there. I would have thought the > neighbourhood was rather differently persuaded, but I'll have a look. > One of my dearest memories of my native New Yawk is the matzoh ball soup > and lox and bagel sandwich at Shades Delicatessen. I haven't found > anything like it in all my years of expatriation, and I miss it terribly. Vancouver, BC, Canada has all that. If it's hard 'n crusty and comes in a plastic bag, it ain't a Bagel. As for lachs, this is the place where it comes from. The indigenous folks here invented it. Smoked Alaska Black Cod -- yum. Can't get it anymore, and there's no explanation as to why that is. If you know where to go here, you can get a splendid big, crunchy pickle, too. Lovingly served-up with a serviette wrapped around it. There's your electrolytes on a hot day. > EFR > Exiled midst frogs and snails in Ile de France Land welks :-) I'm quite partial to roarin' buckies, myself. and abalone, when it's available. And char-grilled geoduck neck. And of course, bacon-wrapped scallops And I go nutz for tiger prawns. cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca     Date: 13 Aug 2006 21:19:59 From: Nick Kew Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Tom Keats wrote: > Vancouver, BC, Canada has all that. > > As for lachs, this is the place where it comes from. > The indigenous folks here invented it. Ahem. Look up your etymology. That statement ranks with Dubya saying "the French have no word for Entrepreneur". Note followups. -- not me guv   Date: 13 Aug 2006 11:02:17 From: Tom Keats Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <44df62c2$0$29149$636a55ce@news.free.fr >, Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr > writes: > But don't you get it? I _don't_ enjoy bicycling! Yes, you do. Deal with it. I hate pulling weeds outa the garden, but at the same time I love doing so. cheers, & for some reason Robert Johnson's "Milk Cow's Calf Blues" sounds appropriate (feed yer Jones,) Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca   Date: 13 Aug 2006 08:43:47 From: Tom Keats Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <44df13aa$0$26358$626a54ce@news.free.fr >, Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr > writes: > Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: > >> You know what, I'm going to try putting the watch on the seatpost! Of >> course it will still be completely invisible and useless for navigation, >> but it is that already. > > Well, that seems to work! By positioning the watch under my _arse_, I > can get plasible readings for cadence, heart and speed. What a way to have to ride a bicycle! And all because of gadgetry. Now, I'm on record for my preference for the back-to-the-basics, simplist's approach, and for my dislike for gadgetry. I've heretofore done my best to not try to impose my POV on others -- if someone likes collecting data while riding, that's fine; chances are you, like myself, have what Myers-Briggs calls an "analytical" personality type. So I'm certainly not criticising. But I Humbly and Respectfully suggest you might like to re-think this intriguement with things with silicon chips in 'em. IME they can be insidiously attractive, like femmes fatale (I guess from women's POV there are corresponding "hommes fatal", but for some reason that never became cliche. Or we're just generically "gigolos" <g >) Having to undergo such razmatazz just to make a gadget work, just so one can enjoy bicycling, rather puts the lid on the biscuit tin. Sticking computers on a bicycle is like sticking computers on a canoe. or a coracle. In fact, I've come to regard bicycles as "land canoes". Maybe Pauline Johnson's poem: The Song My Paddle Sings best captures the exuberant joy of land canoeing as well as "real" canoeing: http://www.humanities.mcmaster.ca/~pjohnson/paddle.html There's nothing about computers 'n monitors in there. > Just tried it on a pootle round the underground parking. More conclusive > tests will follow when I next take the bike out for a commute to work on > the 22nd, weather allowing. Oh, well. I guess this thing has posed a challenge to you, and now you simply, pathologically /must/ rise to meet (and best) it. I can relate to that. Bon chance! :-) > Meanwhile I'm in London for another short > stint this week. Gotta get back to Brick Lane for some more of that curry. Now, /that/ sounds good! It's been a while since I've enjoyed some take-away vindaloo, myself. And my local Little India is just down the street from me. hmmm ... cheers, & The Rolling Stones' 2000 Man, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca     Date: 13 Aug 2006 19:34:57 From: Elisa Francesca Roselli Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Tom Keats wrote: > Now, I'm on record for my preference for the back-to-the-basics, > simplist's approach, and for my dislike for gadgetry. It has occurred to me more than once that the simple, original Sigma HRM and bike computers, costing together less than 100€, were the only ones that never failed me except when outright broken, and that even with all the hi-wiz stuff, I still need the Sigmas to cross-check! > chances are you, like myself, have what Myers-Briggs calls an > "analytical" personality type. INTP and yes, data freak. > Having to undergo such razmatazz just to make a gadget work, just so > one can enjoy bicycling, rather puts the lid on the biscuit tin. But don't you get it? I _don't_ enjoy bicycling! Any excuse to get out of it! It's just another of my obsessive-compulsive behaviours. The gadgetry is a palliative to despair. It helps to keep me motivated, and serves as a kind of exagerrated, external tribal identification, as if to say, see here I'm a Cyclist, when in my heart I know I'm the truest Couch Potato that ever lived. Those who can, do. Those who can't, fret, gather data, write in newsgroups and throw money at the problem. It's Works without Faith. > Oh, well. I guess this thing has posed a challenge to you, and now > you simply, pathologically /must/ rise to meet (and best) it. I can > relate to that. Bon chance! :-) Thanks! EFR Ile de France   Date: 13 Aug 2006 11:25:22 From: Chris Malcolm Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In uk.rec.cycling Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr > wrote: > On paper, the Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor and Bike computer answered > all my dreams. It has wireless captors for speed and cadence, a high > spec HRM with all sorts of exercise configurations, and comes with a > software program to do the extraction of the speed and heart data into > graph form. It also captures elevation information and temperature, two > details I was very interested in as I am a caloriphobe and as the trip > to work is quite hilly. Another plus is that it can store files over > about a week, so that I do not have to transfer information immediately > at the end of every exercise session. > I had, however, certain queries about the use of the wireless sensors on > the 20" wheeled folding bike with its extra-long reach. Some people in > these forums had warned me that some cheap wireless sensors do not work > on this architecture of bike. <snip long tale of woe, which reflects no credit at all on Polar. > You might like to try a bit of non-invasive bodgery to help the radio signal make the distance. Take some simple insulated wire, anything will do, and strap one end to the transmitter and the other to the receiver. If that doesn't work, try wrapping the end round the devices for a turn or two. It might help if the wire was allowed to dangle free and clear of the metal frame where possible. Or it might be better tied close to the frame. Just a few experimental possibilities to play with, before you find out where Polar's MD lives and arrange to have it returned forcibly to a handy orifice. -- Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]     Date: 13 Aug 2006 13:13:08 From: Rob Morley Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <ebn272$h6h$3@scotsman.ed.ac.uk > Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk > wrote: > In uk.rec.cycling Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr> wrote: > > > On paper, the Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor and Bike computer answered > > all my dreams. It has wireless captors for speed and cadence, a high > > spec HRM with all sorts of exercise configurations, and comes with a > > software program to do the extraction of the speed and heart data into > > graph form. It also captures elevation information and temperature, two > > details I was very interested in as I am a caloriphobe and as the trip > > to work is quite hilly. Another plus is that it can store files over > > about a week, so that I do not have to transfer information immediately > > at the end of every exercise session. > > > I had, however, certain queries about the use of the wireless sensors on > > the 20" wheeled folding bike with its extra-long reach. Some people in > > these forums had warned me that some cheap wireless sensors do not work > > on this architecture of bike. > > <snip long tale of woe, which reflects no credit at all on Polar.> > > You might like to try a bit of non-invasive bodgery to help the radio > signal make the distance. Take some simple insulated wire, anything > will do, and strap one end to the transmitter and the other to the > receiver. If that doesn't work, try wrapping the end round the devices > for a turn or two. It might help if the wire was allowed to dangle > free and clear of the metal frame where possible. Or it might be > better tied close to the frame. > Maybe worth asking on one of the electronics/radio groups, where people may have more precise suggestions as to the required nature of the sympathetic antenna (did I just invent that term? It sounds plausible to me).   Date: 13 Aug 2006 18:38:22 From: Bob C Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor I also had problems with a Polar 725X. My initial setup had the sensors on the opposite side of the bike to the watch. As my road bike has a steel frame, the magnetic signals from Cadence and Speed were being "soaked up" by the bike frame. When I repositioned the watch and sensors onto the same side of the bike. "Normal transmission" was resumed. -- Bob C "Elisa Francesca Roselli" <nospam@free.fr > wrote in message news:44dde37e$0$902$626a54ce@news.free.fr... >I like to track my own fitness data on my bike trip to work and on the >exercycle I use in the winter. For this I have been using a Sigma HRM and a >separate bike computers for several years. I keep track of the readings in >my Palmtop and from time to time save the files onto my computer. But I >still “haven't gotten round” to writing that PERL program that would >extract the data to table form that will go into Excel and produce lots of >lovely graphs. > > I compete with myself on the trip out to work. It is always the same > distance, and I enjoy it when I can break a time record, although this > depends on factors beyond my control such as traffic lights as much as on > my riding. Recently, the very nice and functional Sigma BC1600 computer on > my folding bike Flyzipper broke when the sensor wire got caught in the > pedal as I was unfolding the bike. This led me to the idea that I should > get a wireless computer for Fly. > > On paper, the Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor and Bike computer answered > all my dreams. It has wireless captors for speed and cadence, a high spec > HRM with all sorts of exercise configurations, and comes with a software > program to do the extraction of the speed and heart data into graph form. > It also captures elevation information and temperature, two details I was > very interested in as I am a caloriphobe and as the trip to work is quite > hilly. Another plus is that it can store files over about a week, so that > I do not have to transfer information immediately at the end of every > exercise session. > > I had, however, certain queries about the use of the wireless sensors on > the 20" wheeled folding bike with its extra-long reach. Some people in > these forums had warned me that some cheap wireless sensors do not work on > this architecture of bike. > > The Polar is anything but a cheap tool, even on Ebay approaching 300$ with > its optional extras of cadence sensor and infrared USB interface for > downloading files to the computer, but I did my homework carefully. I > contacted the Helpdesk in Finland and posted queries in these bike > newsgroups, and everywhere the same, satisfactory information came back: > the capture range of the Polar sensors could be extended by the > repositioning of a jumper switch to up to 110 cm. > > I bought the tool new at the beginning of July. I put it on my bike. The > distance of the watch on the handlebar mount to the speed sensor on the > front wheel is about 80 cm, and to the cadence captor on the frame at the > nearest point to the pedal crank is about 1m. > > Sure enough, the HRM captured no data coming from the bike. The captors > were working with their magnets, because they obediently flashed their > little orange light when they were passed by the crank or the wheel spoke. > However, the watch on the handlebar mount was too far away to pick up any > data. There was some highly spurious data in the exercise file - cadence > at 183, I think not! - and some speed readings that seemed applicable to > the morning ride, but for which the distance given was only 500 m (the > actual trip is 9.25 km). > > I do not like the trip home very much as the traffic is far too heavy by > that hour, and it is down some very steep hills, making it difficult and > dangerous without much use as a workout. So part of the way I ride on a > suburban train or RER. I quickly noticed that the HRM would go haywire as > I approached the end of my journey, with readings of 230 bpm (my max being > 176). Even turning off the exercise reading well before I approached the > train line yielded this result. So it would not capture speed data 80 cms > away, but a train line at 100 m would send it crazy. There are also > warnings in the manual to keep it away from strong magnetic fields such as > cars! Now, I would love to keep away from cars on a commute to work, but > even leaving the house at 6:30 AM I just can't get them to keep away from > me! > > Accordingly, I contacted the Polar Technical Support about having the > sensors readjusted. I wasn't going to try anything myself, because that > would invalidate the guarantee. > > The Technical Support is in Biarritz. There is no local help available in > the Paris region. They are also a bitch to contact because it is one of > those systems in which you are shifted from one recorded message to > another for half an hour, without ever being able to speak to anything > human, and they charge you 0.34€ the minute for all of this. In the end, > the recorded voice just tells you there is no one available to answer you, > so call again later. It took me well over a week just to get through, and > of course this is business hours only so it had to be on my mobile phone > and from my office - not only expensive but bad for professional image. > > So I sent the captors back for readjustment. They returned, I spent > another afternoon getting them set up on my bike, but the results were > exactly the same as they had been. > > Another week trying to get through to Technical Support. They finally tell > me I have to send the watch unit in with the sensors. This I do. The three > items come back 10 days later, I spend another Sunday afternoon in setup, > and still the same results. > > Finally, the guys at Biarritz tell me that in fact the maximum range is > not 110 cm but 80 under "optimal conditions" (i.e. no brake in the way), > that the Finnish information is from a keting, and not a technical > point of view, and therefore misleading, and that in essence, the tool is > "not designed" to work on this architecture of bike. They make it sound as > though the case of a bike with 20" wheels and a fork only about 2" wide is > so abstruse that it can be ignored. In other words, it's once again, MY > FAULT for having a "non-standard" bike. > > As far as I know, practically all folding bikes - Dahons, Bromptons, > Moultons - have wheels of 20" or less. Many BMXs and mountain bikes are > also concerned. The class of 20" bikes is by no means insignificant. > Because of the convenience of folding, many touring and commuter bikes are > also in this category. > > And if Polar wireless monitors will not work on this entire class, THEY > SHOULD DAMN WELL SAY SO IN THE PRODUCT INFORMATION. > > There is not a breath of information to this effect anywhere on their Web > site, or in the manual, or on any product literature. > > Further experiment has shown that I can get a speed reading if I strap the > watch unit directly over the fork. Cadence reading, forget it - I'm still > apparently pedalling at 190 rpm. Of course, in that position, the watch > monitor is completely invisible and useless for navigation. Upon > downloading the exercise file into my computer, I also notice that there > is no heart reading for the whole time that I am on my bike as opposed to > walking. With the monitor on the fork it is now too far away from the > transmitter on my chest. So there is NO POSITION at which the monitor will > simultaneously read speed, cadence and heart information and at the same > time be visible. > > If this product worked as it is supposed to, it would be the answer to my > prayers. As it is, I call this a badly supported, dishonestly keted, > time-wasting, money-wasting piece of shit. > > EFR > Ile de France     Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:53:21 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor R Brickston wrote: > ... > So, do you think that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is mentally stable enough to > possess The Bomb? If Allen Dulles, at the request of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (a predecessor to BP), had not engineered a coup that removed the democratic Mossadegh government and replaced it with the brutal and repressive regime of Reza Mohammad Shah Pahlavi, Iran would likely be a true democracy now, instead of a country effectively run by a small group of Shia clerics. Of course it was the Iranians' fault for being upset that 85% of the profits from hydrocarbon extraction were going to the British, leaving 15% for Iran, and having the temerity to do something about it. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain       Date: 01 Sep 2006 20:59:39 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157158401.799836.227490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > R Brickston wrote: >> ... >> So, do you think that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is mentally stable enough to >> possess The Bomb? > > If Allen Dulles, at the request of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (a > predecessor to BP), had not engineered a coup that removed the > democratic Mossadegh government and replaced it with the brutal and > repressive regime of Reza Mohammad Shah Pahlavi, Iran would likely be a > true democracy now, instead of a country effectively run by a small > group of Shia clerics. The Shah was in the process of Westernizing and democratizing Iran. He was not nearly repressive enough in my opinion as he should have put down the mullahs without mercy. > Of course it was the Iranians' fault for being upset that 85% of the > profits from hydrocarbon extraction were going to the British, leaving > 15% for Iran, and having the temerity to do something about it. The West should have taken over all the Middle Eastern oil fields by military force. To have left these resources in the hands of Arab thugs was a huge mistake. We see the same scenario playing out now in Venezuela where the resident thug (Chavez) is waxing eloquent due to his oil profits. The West badly needs to get off the oil tit, that is for sure. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 13 Aug 2006 11:20:49 From: Elisa Francesca Roselli Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Bob C wrote: > I also had problems with a Polar 725X. My initial setup had the sensors on > the opposite side of the bike to the watch. As my road bike has a steel > frame, the magnetic signals from Cadence and Speed were being "soaked up" by > the bike frame. When I repositioned the watch and sensors onto the same > side of the bike. "Normal transmission" was resumed. Mine were on the same side at the outset, but as I said, I have now put the watch directly over the fork, i.e. in the middle, so "side" should no longer be applicable. However, Flyzipper does indeed have a chromoly steel frame, in addition to his offending architecture. Interestingly, the Polar Helpdesk does admit that these units will not work on _carbon_ frames. But they say nothing about steel. You know what, I'm going to try putting the watch on the seatpost! Of course it will still be completely invisible and useless for navigation, but it is that already. Last night I won an Ebay auction for a Timex Bodylink with GPS and data recorder. I also found a supplier in Italy of the bike mount unit and sensor wire for the initial Sigma BC1600 computer that broke. So I will have a number of systems running concurrently and will be able to do a battery of cross-tests. EFR Ile de France       Date: 04 Sep 2006 11:31:05 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor HHS (who?) anonymously snipes: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1157323537.058009.182050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > > > hhs (who?) anonymously snipes: > >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1157156360.353858.290600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > R Brickston wrote: > >> <snip> > >> .................................... they knock > >> >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. > >> >> > >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? > >> > > >> > I strongly DISAPPROVE of the actions of September 11, 1973. > >> > > >> > >> So now we wonder if you approve of the al Qaeda attack on the World Trade > >> Center on September 11, 2001 based on it was only the Arabs pushing back > >> at > >> us or some other leftist we deserved it kind of crap? > > > > I understand the motivation behind the attacks (if it was indeed al > > Qaeda or a similar organization), which is more than the people who > > claim to be fighting terrorism or the vast majority of the US public > > do. > > Weasel dance. [YAWN] -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain       Date: 03 Sep 2006 15:45:37 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor hhs wrote: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1157156360.353858.290600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > R Brickston wrote: > <snip> > .................................... they knock > >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. > >> > >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? > > > > I strongly DISAPPROVE of the actions of September 11, 1973. > > > > So now we wonder if you approve of the al Qaeda attack on the World Trade > Center on September 11, 2001 based on it was only the Arabs pushing back at > us or some other leftist we deserved it kind of crap? I understand the motivation behind the attacks (if it was indeed al Qaeda or a similar organization), which is more than the people who claim to be fighting terrorism or the vast majority of the US public do. > p.s. (OT) > Was it your rewriting of history that was responsible for the Chilean coup > of 1973 page of Wikipedia being locked down? Maybe it was Henry Kissinger? -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain         Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:23:30 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157323537.058009.182050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > hhs wrote: >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1157156360.353858.290600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > R Brickston wrote: >> <snip> >> .................................... they knock >> >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> >> >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >> > >> > I strongly DISAPPROVE of the actions of September 11, 1973. >> > >> >> So now we wonder if you approve of the al Qaeda attack on the World Trade >> Center on September 11, 2001 based on it was only the Arabs pushing back >> at >> us or some other leftist we deserved it kind of crap? > > I understand the motivation behind the attacks (if it was indeed al > Qaeda or a similar organization), which is more than the people who > claim to be fighting terrorism or the vast majority of the US public > do. Of course he does! He is an America hater as well as being a Bush hater. He needs to get to the Champs Elysee as soon as possible so he can hate all Americans and commiserate along with his soul mates, the g.d. freaking French! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 04 Sep 2006 12:28:09 From: HHS Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157323537.058009.182050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > hhs wrote: >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1157156360.353858.290600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > R Brickston wrote: >> <snip> >> .................................... they knock >> >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> >> >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >> > >> > I strongly DISAPPROVE of the actions of September 11, 1973. >> > >> >> So now we wonder if you approve of the al Qaeda attack on the World Trade >> Center on September 11, 2001 based on it was only the Arabs pushing back >> at >> us or some other leftist we deserved it kind of crap? > > I understand the motivation behind the attacks (if it was indeed al > Qaeda or a similar organization), which is more than the people who > claim to be fighting terrorism or the vast majority of the US public > do. Weasel dance.       Date: 02 Sep 2006 11:36:16 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor R Brickston wrote: > On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> > wrote: > > >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > > > >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever > >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. > > > >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge > >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock > >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. > > So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain         Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:11:49 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah M. Bakunin wrote: > In article <gIudnf2oYJFcpWLZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > > > If there are too many > > who think like Tom Sherman, then we are destroyed. > > you don't need people like tom sherman. you're self-destructing. > you need help. time to ask a vet to put you out of your misery. A fitting end for Mr. Ed? -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain         Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:00:20 From: M. Bakunin Subject: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah > > >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge > > >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock > > >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. > > > > So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? you have a problem understanding what you read, it seems. don't worry, it's a very common problem among people like you: inbred, down syndrome, morons, clods and other you are representing so brilliantly. keep working at being so fucking stupid and your name will become synonym of insult. actually, i'll start calling assholes and morons ed dolans. overtime it will probably become 'edolan'. see, you may have a chance after all to be consigned to posterity: the first cyber insult named after a mongrel: edolan: 1. A stupid person; a dolt. 2. Psychology: A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally lacking communication and social skills. The term is considered offensive. 3. A person of profound mental retardation generally unable to learn connected speech or writing. 4. A person having a false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, symptom of mental illness [From Edward Dolan, unrefined man, coarse in manner, exhibiting serious delusion.] -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com           Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:32:08 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-B1B310.14002002092006@News-East.Usenet.com... >> > >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >> > >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >> > >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> > >> > So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? > > you have a problem understanding what you read, it seems. > don't worry, it's a very common problem among people like you: inbred, > down syndrome, morons, clods and other you are representing so > brilliantly. > keep working at being so fucking stupid and your name will become > synonym of insult. actually, i'll start calling assholes and morons ed > dolans. overtime it will probably become 'edolan'. > see, you may have a chance after all to be consigned to posterity: the > first cyber insult named after a mongrel: > > edolan: > 1. A stupid person; a dolt. > 2. Psychology: A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age > of from 7 to 12 years and generally lacking communication and social > skills. The term is considered offensive. > 3. A person of profound mental retardation generally unable to learn > connected speech or writing. > 4. A person having a false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating > evidence, symptom of mental illness > > [From Edward Dolan, unrefined man, coarse in manner, exhibiting serious > delusion.] Bakunin is an anarchist and is thereby totally discredited. But hey, if you want to know what an asshole anarchist thinks about anything, then you will need do nothing more than read Bakunin. Enjoy your perversions and degradations if you can! He also has diarrhea of the mouth which some of you cretins will also enjoy. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota           Date: 02 Sep 2006 19:22:43 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:00:20 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote: >> > >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >> > >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >> > >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> > >> > So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? > >you have a problem understanding what you read, it seems. You have a problem understanding what you write. >don't worry, it's a very common problem among people like you: inbred, >down syndrome, morons, clods and other you are representing so >brilliantly. >keep working at being so fucking stupid and your name will become >synonym of insult. actually, i'll start calling assholes and morons ed >dolans. overtime it will probably become 'edolan'. >see, you may have a chance after all to be consigned to posterity: the >first cyber insult named after a mongrel: > >edolan: 1. Any person who doesn't agree fully and totally with thne bizarre viewpoint of The Islamic UseNet Terrorist, known as M. Bakunin.             Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:43:45 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah In article <lamjf2hl1me7gg33ma7f7ubcgdeipultgk@4ax.com >, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote: > 1. Any person who doesn't agree fully and totally with thne bizarre > viewpoint of The Islamic UseNet Terrorist, known as M. Bakunin. brickston, before qualifying someone, try to understand what he/she is saying. you are a typical brain washed republican, repeating ad nauseam what you're told. the problem with that is that you are all using the same words, adjectives and so on. even the word terrorist is abused by assholes like you. is it supposed to scare me? being insulted by a brickston? you are just like the nazis from the 30s: insult people, reject everything you can't understand (=90%), be xenophobic, be a good little fascist (easy when you send other people to war), and believe your little empire will last for ever. even reason seems a bizarre viewpoint for people like you: how dare we use our brains, instead of repeating the official propaganda. you are pitiful. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com               Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:48:03 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-F7FF8E.14434502092006@News-East.Usenet.com... > In article <lamjf2hl1me7gg33ma7f7ubcgdeipultgk@4ax.com>, > R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote: > >> 1. Any person who doesn't agree fully and totally with thne bizarre >> viewpoint of The Islamic UseNet Terrorist, known as M. Bakunin. > > brickston, before qualifying someone, try to understand what he/she is > saying. > you are a typical brain washed republican, repeating ad nauseam what > you're told. the problem with that is that you are all using the same > words, adjectives and so on. even the word terrorist is abused by > assholes like you. is it supposed to scare me? being insulted by a > brickston? you are just like the nazis from the 30s: insult people, > reject everything you can't understand (=90%), be xenophobic, be a good > little fascist (easy when you send other people to war), and believe > your little empire will last for ever. even reason seems a bizarre > viewpoint for people like you: how dare we use our brains, instead of > repeating the official propaganda. > you are pitiful. The only pitiful character here is Bakunin who has never learned what capital letters are for. He is such a slob that I hardly know where to begin. But no ... I shall not begin at all. He is clearly beyond the pale, a truly noxious scoundrel and scum bag. Screw him all the way to Hell and back! I have never understood why assholes like Bakunin think that fascists are the worst assholes to ever come down the pike. I urge him to look in a mirror at his own despicable self. There have never been any worst assholes in the history of the world than anarchists like him. He is beneath contempt. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 02 Sep 2006 20:18:00 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:43:45 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote: >In article <lamjf2hl1me7gg33ma7f7ubcgdeipultgk@4ax.com>, > R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote: > >> 1. Any person who doesn't agree fully and totally with thne bizarre >> viewpoint of The Islamic UseNet Terrorist, known as M. Bakunin. > >brickston, before qualifying someone, try to understand what he/she is >saying. >you are a typical brain washed republican, repeating ad nauseam what >you're told. the problem with that is that you are all using the same >words, adjectives and so on. even the word terrorist is abused by >assholes like you. is it supposed to scare me? being insulted by a >brickston? you are just like the nazis from the 30s: insult people, >reject everything you can't understand (=90%), be xenophobic, be a good >little fascist (easy when you send other people to war), and believe >your little empire will last for ever. even reason seems a bizarre >viewpoint for people like you: how dare we use our brains, instead of >repeating the official propaganda. >you are pitiful. Really? Why don't you answer the question I asked you a few months ago when the invasion of Iraq was being discussed? Who wrote this and when? And the bonus question is: Why did you ignore it? Afraid to "dare to use your brain, instead of repeating the official propaganda" when it disagrees with your revisionist view of historical fact? -------------------------------------------------------- As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process. The responsibility of the United States in this conflict is to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, to minimize the danger to our troops and to diminish the suffering of the Iraqi people. The citizens of Iraq have suffered the most for Saddam Hussein's activities; sadly, those same citizens now stand to suffer more. I have supported efforts to ease the humanitarian situation in Iraq and my thoughts and prayers are with the innocent Iraqi civilians, as well as with the families of U.S. troops participating in the current action. I believe in negotiated solutions to international conflict. This is, unfortunately, not going to be the case in this situation where Saddam Hussein has been a repeat offender, ignoring the international community's requirement that he come clean with his weapons program. While I support the President, I hope and pray that this conflict can be resolved quickly and that the international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic means. Here's another bonus question for you to avoid: Provide authors and dates for the following quotes: "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." "There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." "[H]e does have the capacity, as all terrorist-related operations do, of smuggling stuff into the United States and doing something terrible. That is true. But there's been no connection, hard connection made yet between he and al-Qaida or his willingness or effort to do that thus far. Doesn't mean he won't. This is a bad guy." D"One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons." "[M]y own personal view is, I think Saddam has chemical and biological weapons, and I expect that he is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. So at some point,we might have to act precipitously." "Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is trying to get nuclear weapons." "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st Century.... They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein." "The question is whether we're going to allow this man who's been developing weapons of mass destruction continue to develop weapons of mass destruction, get nuclear capability and get to the place where -- if we're going to stop him if he invades a country around him -- it'll cost millions of lives as opposed to thousands of lives." "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East."                 Date: 02 Sep 2006 15:57:52 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah In article <puojf21uvppinhahaq9vjbn59ju3cjf7uu@4ax.com >, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote: > Really? Why don't you answer the question I asked you a few months ago > when the invasion of Iraq was being discussed? > > Who wrote this and when? "a few months ago" i was not using this provider or this monicker. you're confused. really confused. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com                   Date: 02 Sep 2006 21:20:08 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:57:52 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote: >In article <puojf21uvppinhahaq9vjbn59ju3cjf7uu@4ax.com>, > R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote: > >> Really? Why don't you answer the question I asked you a few months ago >> when the invasion of Iraq was being discussed? >> >> Who wrote this and when? > >"a few months ago" i was not using this provider or this monicker. > >you're confused. really confused. Yeah, right: http://tinyurl.com/erswm                     Date: 02 Sep 2006 22:34:31 From: Bill Sornson Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:57:52 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> > wrote: > >> In article <puojf21uvppinhahaq9vjbn59ju3cjf7uu@4ax.com>, >> R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote: >> >>> Really? Why don't you answer the question I asked you a few months >>> ago when the invasion of Iraq was being discussed? >>> >>> Who wrote this and when? >> >> "a few months ago" i was not using this provider or this monicker. >> >> you're confused. really confused. > > Yeah, right: > > http://tinyurl.com/erswm So what leading Democrat said those things (sincere beliefs) that would be characterized as cooked intelligence (evil lies) if uttered by Bush?                       Date: 03 Sep 2006 06:47:43 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:34:31 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:57:52 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >> wrote: >> >>> In article <puojf21uvppinhahaq9vjbn59ju3cjf7uu@4ax.com>, >>> R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote: >>> >>>> Really? Why don't you answer the question I asked you a few months >>>> ago when the invasion of Iraq was being discussed? >>>> >>>> Who wrote this and when? >>> >>> "a few months ago" i was not using this provider or this monicker. >>> >>> you're confused. really confused. >> >> Yeah, right: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/erswm > >So what leading Democrat Take your pick... >said those things (sincere beliefs) that would be >characterized as cooked intelligence (evil lies) if uttered by Bush? > Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002 "It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the united states." Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." Madeleine Albright > February 1, 1998 "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." Nancy Pelosi > December 16, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Ted Kennedy > September 27, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." Jay Rockefeller > October 10, 2002 "There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Joe Biden > August 4, 2002 "[H]e does have the capacity, as all terrorist-related operations do, of smuggling stuff into the United States and doing something terrible. That is true. But there's been no connection, hard connection made yet between he and al-Qaida or his willingness or effort to do that thus far. Doesn't mean he won't. This is a bad guy." Dick Durbin > September 30, 1999 "One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons." Bill Nelson > August 25, 2002 "[M]y own personal view is, I think Saddam has chemical and biological weapons, and I expect that he is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. So at some point, we might have to act precipitously." Nancy Pelosi > October 10, 2002 "Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is trying to get nuclear weapons." Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st Century.... They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein." Johnny Edwards > February 6, 2003 "The question is whether we're going to allow this man who's been developing weapons of mass destruction continue to develop weapons of mass destruction, get nuclear capability and get to the place where -- if we're going to stop him if he invades a country around him -- it'll cost millions of lives as opposed to thousands of lives." Al Gore > September 23, 2002 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." John Kerry > February 23, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East."                         Date: 03 Sep 2006 07:04:46 From: Bill Sornson Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:34:31 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote: >> So what leading Democrat > > Take your pick... > >> said those things (sincere beliefs) that would be >> characterized as cooked intelligence (evil lies) if uttered by Bush? > Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002 > "It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear > weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist > acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the > united states." > > > Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 > "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is > clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's > weapons of mass destruction program." > > > Madeleine Albright > February 1, 1998 > "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and > the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." > > > Nancy Pelosi > December 16, 1998 > "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass > destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, > and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." > > > Ted Kennedy > September 27, 2002 > "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and > developing weapons of mass destruction." > > > Jay Rockefeller > October 10, 2002 > "There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working > aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear > weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we > have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development > of weapons of mass destruction." > > > Joe Biden > August 4, 2002 > "[H]e does have the capacity, as all terrorist-related operations do, > of smuggling stuff into the United States and doing something > terrible. That is true. But there's been no connection, hard > connection made yet between he and al-Qaida or his willingness or > effort to do that thus far. Doesn't mean he won't. This is a bad guy." > > > Dick Durbin > September 30, 1999 > "One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is > the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments > regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or > some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons." > > > Bill Nelson > August 25, 2002 > "[M]y own personal view is, I think Saddam has chemical and biological > weapons, and I expect that he is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. > So at some point, we might have to act precipitously." > > Nancy Pelosi > October 10, 2002 > "Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is > trying to get nuclear weapons." > > Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 > "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st > Century.... They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build > arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles > to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no > more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein." > > > Johnny Edwards > February 6, 2003 > "The question is whether we're going to allow this man who's been > developing weapons of mass destruction continue to develop weapons of > mass destruction, get nuclear capability and get to the place where -- > if we're going to stop him if he invades a country around him -- it'll > cost millions of lives as opposed to thousands of lives." > > > Al Gore > September 23, 2002 > "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical > weapons throughout his country." > > John Kerry > February 23, 1998 > "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear > that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity > and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability > of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of > terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions > near but not exactly in the Middle East." Oh, come on. It's obvious that George W. Bush /influenced/ all those people to say those things -- even the ones that were two-plus years before he became President. Get real, man.                           Date: 03 Sep 2006 18:07:27 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 07:04:46 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:34:31 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote: > >>> So what leading Democrat >> >> Take your pick... >> >>> said those things (sincere beliefs) that would be >>> characterized as cooked intelligence (evil lies) if uttered by Bush? > > >> Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002 >> "It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear >> weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist >> acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the >> united states." >> >> >> Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 >> "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is >> clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's >> weapons of mass destruction program." >> >> >> Madeleine Albright > February 1, 1998 >> "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and >> the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." >> >> >> Nancy Pelosi > December 16, 1998 >> "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass >> destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, >> and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." >> >> >> Ted Kennedy > September 27, 2002 >> "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and >> developing weapons of mass destruction." >> >> >> Jay Rockefeller > October 10, 2002 >> "There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working >> aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear >> weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we >> have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development >> of weapons of mass destruction." >> >> >> Joe Biden > August 4, 2002 >> "[H]e does have the capacity, as all terrorist-related operations do, >> of smuggling stuff into the United States and doing something >> terrible. That is true. But there's been no connection, hard >> connection made yet between he and al-Qaida or his willingness or >> effort to do that thus far. Doesn't mean he won't. This is a bad guy." >> >> >> Dick Durbin > September 30, 1999 >> "One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is >> the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments >> regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or >> some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons." >> >> >> Bill Nelson > August 25, 2002 >> "[M]y own personal view is, I think Saddam has chemical and biological >> weapons, and I expect that he is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. >> So at some point, we might have to act precipitously." >> >> Nancy Pelosi > October 10, 2002 >> "Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is >> trying to get nuclear weapons." >> >> Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 >> "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st >> Century.... They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build >> arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles >> to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no >> more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein." >> >> >> Johnny Edwards > February 6, 2003 >> "The question is whether we're going to allow this man who's been >> developing weapons of mass destruction continue to develop weapons of >> mass destruction, get nuclear capability and get to the place where -- >> if we're going to stop him if he invades a country around him -- it'll >> cost millions of lives as opposed to thousands of lives." >> >> >> Al Gore > September 23, 2002 >> "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical >> weapons throughout his country." >> >> John Kerry > February 23, 1998 >> "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear >> that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity >> and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability >> of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of >> terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions >> near but not exactly in the Middle East." > >Oh, come on. It's obvious that George W. Bush /influenced/ all those people >to say those things -- even the ones that were two-plus years before he >became President. Get real, man. > That's more than the response you'd get from a liberal, they just ignore it and go on to their next "fair and balanced" viewpoint.                             Date: 06 Sep 2006 16:08:08 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote in message news:ac6mf25ip6lj62mn1ub5odshg9lf7ec9vu@4ax.com... > On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 07:04:46 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote: > >>R Brickston wrote: >>> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:34:31 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote: >> >>>> So what leading Democrat >>> >>> Take your pick... >>> >>>> said those things (sincere beliefs) that would be >>>> characterized as cooked intelligence (evil lies) if uttered by Bush? >> >> >>> Chuck Schumer > October 10, 2002 >>> "It is Hussein's vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear >>> weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist >>> acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the >>> united states." >>> >>> >>> Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 >>> "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is >>> clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's >>> weapons of mass destruction program." >>> >>> >>> Madeleine Albright > February 1, 1998 >>> "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and >>> the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction." >>> >>> >>> Nancy Pelosi > December 16, 1998 >>> "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass >>> destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, >>> and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." >>> >>> >>> Ted Kennedy > September 27, 2002 >>> "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and >>> developing weapons of mass destruction." >>> >>> >>> Jay Rockefeller > October 10, 2002 >>> "There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working >>> aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear >>> weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we >>> have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development >>> of weapons of mass destruction." >>> >>> >>> Joe Biden > August 4, 2002 >>> "[H]e does have the capacity, as all terrorist-related operations do, >>> of smuggling stuff into the United States and doing something >>> terrible. That is true. But there's been no connection, hard >>> connection made yet between he and al-Qaida or his willingness or >>> effort to do that thus far. Doesn't mean he won't. This is a bad guy." >>> >>> >>> Dick Durbin > September 30, 1999 >>> "One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is >>> the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments >>> regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or >>> some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons." >>> >>> >>> Bill Nelson > August 25, 2002 >>> "[M]y own personal view is, I think Saddam has chemical and biological >>> weapons, and I expect that he is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. >>> So at some point, we might have to act precipitously." >>> >>> Nancy Pelosi > October 10, 2002 >>> "Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is >>> trying to get nuclear weapons." >>> >>> Bill Clinton > February 17, 1998 >>> "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st >>> Century.... They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build >>> arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles >>> to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no >>> more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein." >>> >>> >>> Johnny Edwards > February 6, 2003 >>> "The question is whether we're going to allow this man who's been >>> developing weapons of mass destruction continue to develop weapons of >>> mass destruction, get nuclear capability and get to the place where -- >>> if we're going to stop him if he invades a country around him -- it'll >>> cost millions of lives as opposed to thousands of lives." >>> >>> >>> Al Gore > September 23, 2002 >>> "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical >>> weapons throughout his country." >>> >>> John Kerry > February 23, 1998 >>> "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear >>> that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity >>> and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability >>> of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of >>> terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions >>> near but not exactly in the Middle East." >> >>Oh, come on. It's obvious that George W. Bush /influenced/ all those >>people >>to say those things -- even the ones that were two-plus years before he >>became President. Get real, man. >> > > That's more than the response you'd get from a liberal, they just > ignore it and go on to their next "fair and balanced" viewpoint. Brickston, you are a near genius for sure and much more energetic than I can ever hope to be. Do not be so hard on poor Bill Baka. He is an artist and we need those types too. Sornson fancies himself as a gadfly and is hardly ever to be taken seriously. He is innocuous, unlike some others. I reserve my ammunition for those who truly pose a threat to Western Civilization. Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is so wrongheaded that it is positively scary. I was like him in my long lost youth, but now I know better. If there are too many who think like Tom Sherman, then we are destroyed. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                               Date: 08 Sep 2006 16:25:55 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Little Meow wrote: > Bill Baka bbaka@syix.com wrote in news:DAlMg.23848$kO3.21181 > @newssvr12.news.prodigy.com: > > > R Brickston wrote: > >> > >> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you > >> charged for assault with a dead weapon? > > > > MORON, > > It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a > > big stick. > > Bill Baka > > > > One would think that fate would at least allow you to finish > beating it before you die, rather than forcing others to complete > the deed. Otherwise, how will they get the casket closed? Pinhole in the lid? [1] [1] "Family newsgroup, buddy" - Bill Sornson -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                                 Date: 09 Sep 2006 00:03:25 From: Bill Sornson Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Little Meow wrote: >> Bill Baka bbaka@syix.com wrote in news:DAlMg.23848$kO3.21181 >> @newssvr12.news.prodigy.com: >> >>> R Brickston wrote: >>>> >>>> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you >>>> charged for assault with a dead weapon? >>> >>> MORON, >>> It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down >>> with a big stick. >>> Bill Baka >>> >> >> One would think that fate would at least allow you to finish >> beating it before you die, rather than forcing others to complete >> the deed. Otherwise, how will they get the casket closed? > Pinhole in the lid? [1] > > [1] "Family newsgroup, buddy" - Bill Sornson You still have some work to do on the concept, grasshopper. Nice flame, however. <eg >                               Date: 07 Sep 2006 05:20:09 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: <sniped tons of junk > > Brickston, you are a near genius for sure and much more energetic than I can > ever hope to be. Do not be so hard on poor Bill Baka. He is an artist and we > need those types too. I enjoy provoking and then sitting back and watching the war games. > > Sornson fancies himself as a gadfly and is hardly ever to be taken > seriously. He is innocuous, unlike some others. I reserve my ammunition for > those who truly pose a threat to Western Civilization. BS (good initials for him) is too convinced he is the authority on everything. > > Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is so wrongheaded that it is positively scary. I was > like him in my long lost youth, but now I know better. If there are too many > who think like Tom Sherman, then we are destroyed. He is a bit of a "Deep ender", so far out of the box he can't see it. Bill (just adding fuel to the fire) Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > >                                 Date: 07 Sep 2006 05:53:23 From: Bill Sornson Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Bill Baka wrote: > Edward Dolan wrote: >> Sornson fancies himself as a gadfly and is hardly ever to be taken >> seriously. He is innocuous, unlike some others. I reserve my >> ammunition for those who truly pose a threat to Western Civilization. > BS (good initials for him) is too convinced he is the authority on > everything. Why, from YOU, Bill, that's high praise indeed. LOL Bill "I just come in for some foot powder" S. (Quote courtesy of B. Fife, Mayberry, USA.)                                   Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:04:01 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Bill Sornson wrote: > Bill Baka wrote: >> Edward Dolan wrote: > >>> Sornson fancies himself as a gadfly and is hardly ever to be taken >>> seriously. He is innocuous, unlike some others. I reserve my >>> ammunition for those who truly pose a threat to Western Civilization. > >> BS (good initials for him) is too convinced he is the authority on >> everything. > > Why, from YOU, Bill, that's high praise indeed. LOL > > Bill "I just come in for some foot powder" S. > > (Quote courtesy of B. Fife, Mayberry, USA.) > > Bill, You are nowhere near as irritating as the triplets. You know which three, and the two B....'s are worse than Dolan. Bill Baka                               Date: 06 Sep 2006 18:31:21 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah In article <gIudnf2oYJFcpWLZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@prairiewave.com >, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > If there are too many > who think like Tom Sherman, then we are destroyed. you don't need people like tom sherman. you're self-destructing. you need help. time to ask a vet to put you out of your misery. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com                                 Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:31:12 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 18:31:21 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote: >In article <gIudnf2oYJFcpWLZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> If there are too many >> who think like Tom Sherman, then we are destroyed. > >you don't need people like tom sherman. you're self-destructing. >you need help. time to ask a vet to put you out of your misery. Sheik Bakuni El Looney... You call that writing? That's not writing, that's /typing/. *** BAKUNI LOONY, THE DUMBEST AL-QAIDA AGENT ON THE PLANET ***                                   Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:34:03 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah > Sheik Bakuni El Looney... You call that writing? That's not writing, > that's /typing/. that's not thinking, that's regurgitating your nazi crap. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com                                     Date: 07 Sep 2006 01:45:12 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:34:03 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote: > >> Sheik Bakuni El Looney... You call that writing? That's not writing, >> that's /typing/. > >that's not thinking, that's regurgitating your nazi crap. Factoid on Sheik Bakuni El Looney-- Lowest lieutenant in Al-Qaida stopped taking his SAT phone calls five years ago.                                       Date: 12 Sep 2006 17:22:50 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:8u7Ng.178$ov2.54@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the school > >> kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible to > >> me. > > > > The tax system needs to be overhauled so that people who load down the > > school system with 3 or more kids should lose tax deductions starting with > > the third kid. That way the people who cause school crowding will be the > > ones paying for it. Single people or those with no children are hot for > > other people's excess reproduction. It also seems to me that the > > government should pay for, if not mandate, 2 years of college and then > > take the top half and pay for a 4 year education. Take the top 25% of that > > group and put them through to a masters, then take the top 10% of that > > group and let them go to a doctorate. Reward for achievement. Simple > > enough, so why aren't we doing it? > > I would reserve public (free, i.e., socialized) education (K-8 only) for the > poor and the trash who do not value education in the first place. It would > be a sort of baby sitting service and at least instruct in the 3 R's. After > Grade 8 education would be reserved for those who can pay for it out of > their own pockets. Frankly, we do not need to have everyone in society > educated, only a select few. > > >> But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees health > >> care? > > > > Hey grate one, > > Why should employers have to pay for their employees to come to work? > > Employer paid health care is unfair to all those workers and nonworkers who > cannot get such plans. Try to get health insurance on your own and you > quickly discover you can't afford it. Health care for everyone is a > responsibility of the society at large, not employers. Health care and education are the responsibility of the individual, who should be allowed to COMPETE in a FREE KET to sell his/her labor, products or services. He/she can take the compensation he/she has gained in the FREE KET, and purchase said services that are offered on a competitive FREE KET basis. -- Tom Sherman - Here, not there.                                         Date: 13 Sep 2006 03:49:39 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1158106970.070609.123990@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> news:8u7Ng.178$ov2.54@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the >> >> school >> >> kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible >> >> to >> >> me. >> > >> > The tax system needs to be overhauled so that people who load down the >> > school system with 3 or more kids should lose tax deductions starting >> > with >> > the third kid. That way the people who cause school crowding will be >> > the >> > ones paying for it. Single people or those with no children are hot for >> > other people's excess reproduction. It also seems to me that the >> > government should pay for, if not mandate, 2 years of college and then >> > take the top half and pay for a 4 year education. Take the top 25% of >> > that >> > group and put them through to a masters, then take the top 10% of that >> > group and let them go to a doctorate. Reward for achievement. Simple >> > enough, so why aren't we doing it? >> >> I would reserve public (free, i.e., socialized) education (K-8 only) for >> the >> poor and the trash who do not value education in the first place. It >> would >> be a sort of baby sitting service and at least instruct in the 3 R's. >> After >> Grade 8 education would be reserved for those who can pay for it out of >> their own pockets. Frankly, we do not need to have everyone in society >> educated, only a select few. >> >> >> But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees >> >> health >> >> care? >> > >> > Hey grate one, >> > Why should employers have to pay for their employees to come to work? >> >> Employer paid health care is unfair to all those workers and nonworkers >> who >> cannot get such plans. Try to get health insurance on your own and you >> quickly discover you can't afford it. Health care for everyone is a >> responsibility of the society at large, not employers. > > Health care and education are the responsibility of the individual, who > should be allowed to COMPETE in a FREE KET to sell his/her labor, > products or services. He/she can take the compensation he/she has > gained in the FREE KET, and purchase said services that are offered > on a competitive FREE KET basis. Fuck the free ket and fuck globalization too! I am with Pat Buchanan on some of these questions. Those with the where with all to afford everything had better watch out. They could end up living in a very unsafe society if wealth is not more evenly distributed. We Americans are not like third world subjects who will put up with anything provided they be allowed to live however poorly. Societies and nations are like tribal groups where one has to look after all its members. Not to do so imperils the society and the nation. By the way, I do not equate education with health care. After all, most do not need much education, but everyone needs health care. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                         Date: 13 Sep 2006 03:03:02 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> news:8u7Ng.178$ov2.54@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>> Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the school >>>> kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible to >>>> me. >>> The tax system needs to be overhauled so that people who load down the >>> school system with 3 or more kids should lose tax deductions starting with >>> the third kid. That way the people who cause school crowding will be the >>> ones paying for it. Single people or those with no children are hot for >>> other people's excess reproduction. It also seems to me that the >>> government should pay for, if not mandate, 2 years of college and then >>> take the top half and pay for a 4 year education. Take the top 25% of that >>> group and put them through to a masters, then take the top 10% of that >>> group and let them go to a doctorate. Reward for achievement. Simple >>> enough, so why aren't we doing it? >> I would reserve public (free, i.e., socialized) education (K-8 only) for the >> poor and the trash who do not value education in the first place. It would >> be a sort of baby sitting service and at least instruct in the 3 R's. After >> Grade 8 education would be reserved for those who can pay for it out of >> their own pockets. Frankly, we do not need to have everyone in society >> educated, only a select few. >> >>>> But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees health >>>> care? >>> Hey grate one, >>> Why should employers have to pay for their employees to come to work? >> Employer paid health care is unfair to all those workers and nonworkers who >> cannot get such plans. Try to get health insurance on your own and you >> quickly discover you can't afford it. Health care for everyone is a >> responsibility of the society at large, not employers. > > Health care and education are the responsibility of the individual, who > should be allowed to COMPETE in a FREE KET to sell his/her labor, > products or services. He/she can take the compensation he/she has > gained in the FREE KET, and purchase said services that are offered > on a competitive FREE KET basis. > That is exactly why I prefer a nice 40-42 hour salaried professional job. I earn the benefits because my labor and college is worth it for them to get me to work for them. If I have 3 job offers dangling in front of me I am going to look at more than just the paycheck. Medical, Dental, Life insurance (I hope not needed), Stock options, and at least 5 years of company stability ahead. Let the manual laborers worry about it and then maybe they will go to college and get some skills that the employers will pay for. I let it be known I was willing to go back to the Silicon Valley rat race and shazam, I'm even getting offers of a company paid condo, plus the regular benefits. Now I sit back and juggle the offers. Oh, and ignore this group all week. One of the benefits I am looking for is a bike friendly company, but I can always ride to and from work if the traffic isn't too insane. Once I got to park my car inside the shipping department and sleep on the president's couch in the building, then use the jogger's shower, plus the cafeteria as a kitchen. I almost talked them into paying me extra as a night guard, but not quite. Bill Baka                                           Date: 13 Sep 2006 04:05:33 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:GxKNg.681$e66.166@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >>> news:8u7Ng.178$ov2.54@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>>> Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the >>>>> school >>>>> kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible >>>>> to >>>>> me. >>>> The tax system needs to be overhauled so that people who load down the >>>> school system with 3 or more kids should lose tax deductions starting >>>> with >>>> the third kid. That way the people who cause school crowding will be >>>> the >>>> ones paying for it. Single people or those with no children are hot for >>>> other people's excess reproduction. It also seems to me that the >>>> government should pay for, if not mandate, 2 years of college and then >>>> take the top half and pay for a 4 year education. Take the top 25% of >>>> that >>>> group and put them through to a masters, then take the top 10% of that >>>> group and let them go to a doctorate. Reward for achievement. Simple >>>> enough, so why aren't we doing it? >>> I would reserve public (free, i.e., socialized) education (K-8 only) for >>> the >>> poor and the trash who do not value education in the first place. It >>> would >>> be a sort of baby sitting service and at least instruct in the 3 R's. >>> After >>> Grade 8 education would be reserved for those who can pay for it out of >>> their own pockets. Frankly, we do not need to have everyone in society >>> educated, only a select few. >>> >>>>> But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees >>>>> health >>>>> care? >>>> Hey grate one, >>>> Why should employers have to pay for their employees to come to work? >>> Employer paid health care is unfair to all those workers and nonworkers >>> who >>> cannot get such plans. Try to get health insurance on your own and you >>> quickly discover you can't afford it. Health care for everyone is a >>> responsibility of the society at large, not employers. >> >> Health care and education are the responsibility of the individual, who >> should be allowed to COMPETE in a FREE KET to sell his/her labor, >> products or services. He/she can take the compensation he/she has >> gained in the FREE KET, and purchase said services that are offered >> on a competitive FREE KET basis. >> > That is exactly why I prefer a nice 40-42 hour salaried professional job. > I earn the benefits because my labor and college is worth it for them to > get me to work for them. If I have 3 job offers dangling in front of me I > am going to look at more than just the paycheck. Medical, Dental, Life > insurance (I hope not needed), Stock options, and at least 5 years of > company stability ahead. Let the manual laborers worry about it and then > maybe they will go to college and get some skills that the employers will > pay for. I let it be known I was willing to go back to the Silicon Valley > rat race and shazam, I'm even getting offers of a company paid condo, plus > the regular benefits. Now I sit back and juggle the offers. Oh, and ignore > this group all week. One of the benefits I am looking for is a bike > friendly company, but I can always ride to and from work if the traffic > isn't too insane. Once I got to park my car inside the shipping department > and sleep on the president's couch in the building, then use the jogger's > shower, plus the cafeteria as a kitchen. > I almost talked them into paying me extra as a night guard, but not quite. Globalization will be the death of America. The fact is that not everyone needs a college education and there are only so many good jobs to go around in any event. All an employer should pay is a salary or a wage - no benefits whatsoever. It is not fair for some few to have freaking benefits as part of their employment package at the expense of all the rest of society. This nation needs to get serious about how to provide for the general welfare, most especially health care. I note when I go to the dentist now that the prices are sky high because of all the g.d. insurance benefits that some have. There is nothing wrong with Bill Baka's attitude that a good long period of unemployment would not cure. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                             Date: 13 Sep 2006 17:50:29 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> That is exactly why I prefer a nice 40-42 hour salaried professional job. >> I earn the benefits because my labor and college is worth it for them to >> get me to work for them. If I have 3 job offers dangling in front of me I >> am going to look at more than just the paycheck. Medical, Dental, Life >> insurance (I hope not needed), Stock options, and at least 5 years of >> company stability ahead. Let the manual laborers worry about it and then >> maybe they will go to college and get some skills that the employers will >> pay for. I let it be known I was willing to go back to the Silicon Valley >> rat race and shazam, I'm even getting offers of a company paid condo, plus >> the regular benefits. Now I sit back and juggle the offers. Oh, and ignore >> this group all week. One of the benefits I am looking for is a bike >> friendly company, but I can always ride to and from work if the traffic >> isn't too insane. Once I got to park my car inside the shipping department >> and sleep on the president's couch in the building, then use the jogger's >> shower, plus the cafeteria as a kitchen. >> I almost talked them into paying me extra as a night guard, but not quite. > > Globalization will be the death of America. 99% probably true. But nobody sees anything but the Wal-t made in China cheap prices until their job goes over there. The fact is that not everyone > needs a college education and there are only so many good jobs to go around > in any event. What do you call a good job? Sewer cleaner? All an employer should pay is a salary or a wage - no benefits > whatsoever. It is not fair for some few to have freaking benefits as part of > their employment package at the expense of all the rest of society. What the Hell do you think I went to college for? If my services are needed and they have to give me medical benefits to get me, then that's just the way it is. > > This nation needs to get serious about how to provide for the general > welfare, most especially health care. I note when I go to the dentist now > that the prices are sky high because of all the g.d. insurance benefits that > some have. It's that malpractice insurance they are paying, so the M.D.'s are making less. The damned dentists are making plenty. The last dentist I went to bagged me for $79 after me waiting over an hour and he just say me for less than 5 minutes. > > There is nothing wrong with Bill Baka's attitude that a good long period of > unemployment would not cure. Too boring. I now fix people's computers at their houses for less than the one local shop wants just to take the cover off once they disconnect it and bring it into the shop. Me, "Oh, just do this, buy some memory and I'll put it in for you and show you how to use it.". Them, "Cover's off, yup, it's a computer all right. That'll be $75.00 now and you can have it back in a week and we will charge you the rest then". I have a good thing going now, but I am going back to a 6 figure job with all kinds of insurance and even stock. I was burned out for a while, now my motivation is coming back, due to an excess of dumb red necks that bought computers and don't know how to use them. Let somebody else teach them. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                                               Date: 13 Sep 2006 18:52:31 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:FxXNg.1392$7I1.62@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] > The fact is that not everyone >> needs a college education and there are only so many good jobs to go >> around in any event. > > What do you call a good job? Sewer cleaner? A good job is one that pays well despite whatever it is that you do. > All an employer should pay is a salary or a wage - no benefits >> whatsoever. It is not fair for some few to have freaking benefits as part >> of their employment package at the expense of all the rest of society. > > What the Hell do you think I went to college for? If my services are > needed and they have to give me medical benefits to get me, then that's > just the way it is. You need to think bigger than yourself. Think of the larger society of which you are only a single member. Sometimes, I don't think you are much of a liberal at all. Remember, the individual is nothing, the group is everything! [Sociology 101] >> This nation needs to get serious about how to provide for the general >> welfare, most especially health care. I note when I go to the dentist now >> that the prices are sky high because of all the g.d. insurance benefits >> that some have. > > It's that malpractice insurance they are paying, so the M.D.'s are making > less. The damned dentists are making plenty. The last dentist I went to > bagged me for $79 after me waiting over an hour and he just say me for > less than 5 minutes. Bill, I just spent over $5000. on my freaking teeth. Of course, I hadn't been to the dentist in over 20 years. I now have more root canals than I do regular healthy teeth. >> There is nothing wrong with Bill Baka's attitude that a good long period >> of unemployment would not cure. > > Too boring. I now fix people's computers at their houses for less than the > one local shop wants just to take the cover off once they disconnect it > and bring it into the shop. Me, "Oh, just do this, buy some memory and > I'll put it in for you and show you how to use it.". Them, "Cover's off, > yup, it's a computer all right. That'll be $75.00 now and you can have it > back in a week and we will charge you the rest then". I have a good thing > going now, but I am going back to a 6 figure job with all kinds of > insurance and even stock. I was burned out for a while, now my motivation > is coming back, due to an excess of dumb red necks that bought computers > and don't know how to use them. Let somebody else teach them. Well, I am no computer sophisticate myself. I wish you lived next door to me as I could avail myself of your services. Jim McNaa once helped me get a stubborn Trojan horse off my computer that no one else could. I have to constantly ask myself how much do I want to bother with computer problems. It seems I just do not have the patience to learn anything new. The fact is, I am permanently stuck in the 1950's. I suspect it will not be too long when computers will work as reliably as TVs and radios. Security issues from the Internet seem to be the ongoing main problem with them. By the time they have all of this worked out I will be moldering in my grave. Well, at least I got in on the Hi-Fi Stereo thing, still my chief joy in life. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                       Date: 10 Sep 2006 23:17:33 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1157889145.784826.97290@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1157860464.284393.96400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > Bill Baka wrote: > >> >> ... > >> >> My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She > >> >> holds > >> >> me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone > >> >> else > >> >> did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved > >> >> those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and > >> >> she > >> >> is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is > >> >> either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China > >> >> or > >> >> India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... > >> > > >> > The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is > >> > a natural correction to financial overcompensation. > >> > >> No one really believes the above statement anymore. It is universally > >> recognized that there needs to be governmental regulation of business. > > > > Many on the political right disagree about the need for government > > regulation. > > They have been ginalized. > > > The other option is to let business regulate the government on economic > > and labor matters. This was first put into full practice in the 1930's > > by nice men such as Benito Mussolini, Ferdinand Franco and Adolf > > Hitler. However, today's proponents of such a system shun the > > comparison to these men for some reason, and the associated term > > fascism. > > We want a free ket, but not TOO free. That is where regulation comes in. > We sure do not want the workers managing business since they have shown over > and over (various socialisms) that they have no aptitude for it. ALL government interference in the FREE KET is inefficient. See Okun's Leaky Bucket. > >> > What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law > >> > and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of > >> > these services to a reasonable level. > >> > >> Yes, the above would not be a bad start, and then we should get rid of > >> third > >> party insurance. If everyone had to pay for his health care out of his > >> own > >> wallet, that would make quite a difference in what could be charged. My > >> grandparents were doctors and they were anything but rich. Same goes for > >> lawyers a few generations ago. Now those professional degrees are nothing > >> but a license to steal. > > > > Yes, health care should be limited to those who can pay for it. > > Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the school > kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible to me. Let those who can EARN they way in the FREE KET pay for their own health care. Why penalize the productive for the failures of others? > But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees health > care? This should be an item negotiated between Labor and Capital on an individual basis, depending on Labor's FREE KET value to the holder of Capital. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                                       Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:51:35 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah di wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:nYMMg.9978$yO7.347@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > >> Bill Baka wrote: > . > >> > >> What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law > >> and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of > >> these services to a reasonable level. > >> > > What you don't realize is that you just stepped into a pile of shit with > > that rek. Houses down there are going for over a million dollars to > > live in a decent area. How the hell are you going to pay for that with a > > globally adjusted wage? The foreigners, almost all of whom are single, > > share a house between 4 or 5 or more. How is a ried couple going to > > compete with that? The damned executives pay themselves millions a year so > > they can afford it then bitch about the shortage of skilled labor. The > > reason for that is that any sensible kid going to college these days is > > better off becoming a corporate lawyer, doctor, or something that can't be > > off shored. Along the lines of your last comment, VOIP and video > > conferencing via the Internet could make that happen. The prosecution > > lawyer could be in India and the defense lawyer in China, both on big > > screens in the courtroom. How about out sourcing politicians while we are > > at it? I am sure they could find suitably corrupt ones overseas too. > > Bill Baka > > It's getting scary, I'm agreeing with Baka. The large corporations would > like nothing else than to push their work force into low standard of living > conditions where they would be not much more than slaves that could not > afford to move to a better job. You appear to have been reading too much Karl x recently. May I suggest the Wall Street Journal editorial page instead and maybe some Heritage Foundation papers? > Sherman's "Free ket" concept means > "free" labor to the company and give control to some socialist government. > BTW, I'm one of the most conservative people you will find, it's just I see > what's happening to well paying skilled manufacturing jobs in this country > and what they are being replaced with in low pay service jobs. It was on the advice of the FREE KET advocates that the US government agreed to NAFTA, GATT/WTO, "Most Favored Nation" trading status with China, etc. You sir, appear to want to be able to both keep your cake AND eat it. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                                         Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:31:30 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > di wrote: >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> news:nYMMg.9978$yO7.347@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >>>> Bill Baka wrote: >> . >>>> What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law >>>> and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of >>>> these services to a reasonable level. >>>> >>> What you don't realize is that you just stepped into a pile of shit with >>> that rek. Houses down there are going for over a million dollars to >>> live in a decent area. How the hell are you going to pay for that with a >>> globally adjusted wage? The foreigners, almost all of whom are single, >>> share a house between 4 or 5 or more. How is a ried couple going to >>> compete with that? The damned executives pay themselves millions a year so >>> they can afford it then bitch about the shortage of skilled labor. The >>> reason for that is that any sensible kid going to college these days is >>> better off becoming a corporate lawyer, doctor, or something that can't be >>> off shored. Along the lines of your last comment, VOIP and video >>> conferencing via the Internet could make that happen. The prosecution >>> lawyer could be in India and the defense lawyer in China, both on big >>> screens in the courtroom. How about out sourcing politicians while we are >>> at it? I am sure they could find suitably corrupt ones overseas too. >>> Bill Baka >> It's getting scary, I'm agreeing with Baka. The large corporations would >> like nothing else than to push their work force into low standard of living >> conditions where they would be not much more than slaves that could not >> afford to move to a better job. > > You appear to have been reading too much Karl x recently. May I > suggest the Wall Street Journal editorial page instead and maybe some > Heritage Foundation papers? Read the Wall Street Journal to see how rosy the CEO's are painting the picture while laying off Americans, out sourcing every thing but their company Mercedes, and giving themselves nice 'performance' bonuses??? > >> Sherman's "Free ket" concept means >> "free" labor to the company and give control to some socialist government. >> BTW, I'm one of the most conservative people you will find, it's just I see >> what's happening to well paying skilled manufacturing jobs in this country >> and what they are being replaced with in low pay service jobs. > > It was on the advice of the FREE KET advocates that the US > government agreed to NAFTA, GATT/WTO, "Most Favored Nation" trading > status with China, etc. That was a screwup and everyone with a few neurons firing knows it. > > You sir, appear to want to be able to both keep your cake AND eat it. No, More like have your job and keep it. Bill Baka >                                       Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:44:18 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Bill Baka wrote: > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > Bill Baka wrote: > >> ... > >> My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She holds > >> me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone else > >> did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved > >> those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and she > >> is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is > >> either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China or > >> India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... > > > > The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is > > a natural correction to financial overcompensation. > > > > What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law > > and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of > > these services to a reasonable level. > > > What you don't realize is that you just stepped into a pile of shit with > that rek. Houses down there are going for over a million dollars to > live in a decent area. How the hell are you going to pay for that with a > globally adjusted wage? The foreigners, almost all of whom are single, > share a house between 4 or 5 or more. How is a ried couple going to > compete with that? The damned executives pay themselves millions a year > so they can afford it then bitch about the shortage of skilled labor. What are you, some kind of communist? The FREE KET rewards people according to their contribution to the economy. > The reason for that is that any sensible kid going to college these days > is better off becoming a corporate lawyer, doctor, or something that > can't be off shored. Along the lines of your last comment, VOIP and > video conferencing via the Internet could make that happen. The > prosecution lawyer could be in India and the defense lawyer in China, > both on big screens in the courtroom. How about out sourcing politicians > while we are at it? I am sure they could find suitably corrupt ones > overseas too. How can the FREE KET be wrong? After all, the mainstream media is full of praise for the FREE KET, and all the pundits on television praise the FREE KET as the solution to ALL problems. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                                         Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:50:44 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Bill Baka wrote: >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >>> Bill Baka wrote: >>>> ... >>>> My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She holds >>>> me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone else >>>> did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved >>>> those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and she >>>> is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is >>>> either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China or >>>> India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... >>> The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is >>> a natural correction to financial overcompensation. >>> >>> What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law >>> and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of >>> these services to a reasonable level. >>> >> What you don't realize is that you just stepped into a pile of shit with >> that rek. Houses down there are going for over a million dollars to >> live in a decent area. How the hell are you going to pay for that with a >> globally adjusted wage? The foreigners, almost all of whom are single, >> share a house between 4 or 5 or more. How is a ried couple going to >> compete with that? The damned executives pay themselves millions a year >> so they can afford it then bitch about the shortage of skilled labor. > > What are you, some kind of communist? The FREE KET rewards people > according to their contribution to the economy. Communist, my ass, you idiot. I am a top level engineer who has been displaced by out sourcing and the hiring of young H-1B visa kids who will work 60 hour weeks for half what I would want. We are letting the CEO's take the good jobs from Americans and farm them out to wherever. I lost a job in 1998 by trying to make a Chinese subcontractor meet the specs they were given and could not do. I knew what to do but was not given the chance since I was relegated to 'liason'. I was finally fired with great indignity because the incompetent Chinese shop had ties to their major power supply vendor and the small shop was bitching about the pushy American engineer (me). Yeah, do your job and get rewarded by getting fired for irritating the incompetent non-Americans. > >> The reason for that is that any sensible kid going to college these days >> is better off becoming a corporate lawyer, doctor, or something that >> can't be off shored. Along the lines of your last comment, VOIP and >> video conferencing via the Internet could make that happen. The >> prosecution lawyer could be in India and the defense lawyer in China, >> both on big screens in the courtroom. How about out sourcing politicians >> while we are at it? I am sure they could find suitably corrupt ones >> overseas too. > > How can the FREE KET be wrong? After all, the mainstream media is > full of praise for the FREE KET, and all the pundits on television > praise the FREE KET as the solution to ALL problems. They have a job that won't be off shored and they tell it like they are told to spin it. You just can't see your hand in front of your face, much less the downfall of the US, can you? Bill Baka >                                       Date: 10 Sep 2006 04:52:25 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1157860464.284393.96400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > Bill Baka wrote: > >> ... > >> My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She holds > >> me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone else > >> did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved > >> those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and she > >> is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is > >> either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China or > >> India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... > > > > The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is > > a natural correction to financial overcompensation. > > No one really believes the above statement anymore. It is universally > recognized that there needs to be governmental regulation of business. Many on the political right disagree about the need for government regulation. The other option is to let business regulate the government on economic and labor matters. This was first put into full practice in the 1930's by nice men such as Benito Mussolini, Ferdinand Franco and Adplf Hitler. However, today's proponents of such a system shun the comparison to these men for some reason, and the associated term fascism. > > What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law > > and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of > > these services to a reasonable level. > > Yes, the above would not be a bad start, and then we should get rid of third > party insurance. If everyone had to pay for his health care out of his own > wallet, that would make quite a difference in what could be charged. My > grandparents were doctors and they were anything but rich. Same goes for > lawyers a few generations ago. Now those professional degrees are nothing > but a license to steal. Yes, health care should be limited to those who can pay for it. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                                         Date: 10 Sep 2006 20:23:37 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157889145.784826.97290@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1157860464.284393.96400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Bill Baka wrote: >> >> ... >> >> My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She >> >> holds >> >> me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone >> >> else >> >> did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved >> >> those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and >> >> she >> >> is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is >> >> either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China >> >> or >> >> India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... >> > >> > The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is >> > a natural correction to financial overcompensation. >> >> No one really believes the above statement anymore. It is universally >> recognized that there needs to be governmental regulation of business. > > Many on the political right disagree about the need for government > regulation. They have been ginalized. > The other option is to let business regulate the government on economic > and labor matters. This was first put into full practice in the 1930's > by nice men such as Benito Mussolini, Ferdinand Franco and Adplf > Hitler. However, today's proponents of such a system shun the > comparison to these men for some reason, and the associated term > fascism. We want a free ket, but not TOO free. That is where regulation comes in. We sure do not want the workers managing business since they have shown over and over (various socialisms) that they have no aptitude for it. >> > What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law >> > and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of >> > these services to a reasonable level. >> >> Yes, the above would not be a bad start, and then we should get rid of >> third >> party insurance. If everyone had to pay for his health care out of his >> own >> wallet, that would make quite a difference in what could be charged. My >> grandparents were doctors and they were anything but rich. Same goes for >> lawyers a few generations ago. Now those professional degrees are nothing >> but a license to steal. > > Yes, health care should be limited to those who can pay for it. Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the school kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible to me. But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees health care? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                           Date: 11 Sep 2006 06:36:52 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the school > kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible to me. The tax system needs to be overhauled so that people who load down the school system with 3 or more kids should lose tax deductions starting with the third kid. That way the people who cause school crowding will be the ones paying for it. Single people or those with no children are hot for other people's excess reproduction. It also seems to me that the government should pay for, if not mandate, 2 years of college and then take the top half and pay for a 4 year education. Take the top 25% of that group and put them through to a masters, then take the top 10% of that group and let them go to a doctorate. Reward for achievement. Simple enough, so why aren't we doing it? > > But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees health > care? Hey grate one, Why should employers have to pay for their employees to come to work? Duh. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                                             Date: 12 Sep 2006 17:03:36 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:8u7Ng.178$ov2.54@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the school >> kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible to >> me. > > The tax system needs to be overhauled so that people who load down the > school system with 3 or more kids should lose tax deductions starting with > the third kid. That way the people who cause school crowding will be the > ones paying for it. Single people or those with no children are hot for > other people's excess reproduction. It also seems to me that the > government should pay for, if not mandate, 2 years of college and then > take the top half and pay for a 4 year education. Take the top 25% of that > group and put them through to a masters, then take the top 10% of that > group and let them go to a doctorate. Reward for achievement. Simple > enough, so why aren't we doing it? I would reserve public (free, i.e., socialized) education (K-8 only) for the poor and the trash who do not value education in the first place. It would be a sort of baby sitting service and at least instruct in the 3 R's. After Grade 8 education would be reserved for those who can pay for it out of their own pockets. Frankly, we do not need to have everyone in society educated, only a select few. >> But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees health >> care? > > Hey grate one, > Why should employers have to pay for their employees to come to work? Employer paid health care is unfair to all those workers and nonworkers who cannot get such plans. Try to get health insurance on your own and you quickly discover you can't afford it. Health care for everyone is a responsibility of the society at large, not employers. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                       Date: 09 Sep 2006 20:54:24 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Bill Baka wrote: > ... > My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She holds > me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone else > did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved > those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and she > is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is > either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China or > India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is a natural correction to financial overcompensation. What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of these services to a reasonable level. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                                         Date: 10 Sep 2006 06:12:18 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157860464.284393.96400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Bill Baka wrote: >> ... >> My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She holds >> me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone else >> did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved >> those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and she >> is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is >> either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China or >> India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... > > The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is > a natural correction to financial overcompensation. No one really believes the above statement anymore. It is universally recognized that there needs to be governmental regulation of business. > What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law > and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of > these services to a reasonable level. Yes, the above would not be a bad start, and then we should get rid of third party insurance. If everyone had to pay for his health care out of his own wallet, that would make quite a difference in what could be charged. My grandparents were doctors and they were anything but rich. Same goes for lawyers a few generations ago. Now those professional degrees are nothing but a license to steal. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                           Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:41:38 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1157860464.284393.96400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> Bill Baka wrote: >>> ... >>> My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She holds >>> me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone else >>> did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved >>> those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and she >>> is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is >>> either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China or >>> India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... >> The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is >> a natural correction to financial overcompensation. > > No one really believes the above statement anymore. It is universally > recognized that there needs to be governmental regulation of business. Yes, But Bush seems either too wrapped up in 'his' war, or has no comprehension of how bad things are getting in this country. If China got pissed off at us they could bring down our military because we are using parts made in China for our military electronics. That should scare somebody at the top, but they are oblivious to that fact. > >> What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law >> and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of >> these services to a reasonable level. > > Yes, the above would not be a bad start, and then we should get rid of third > party insurance. If everyone had to pay for his health care out of his own > wallet, that would make quite a difference in what could be charged. My > grandparents were doctors and they were anything but rich. Same goes for > lawyers a few generations ago. Now those professional degrees are nothing > but a license to steal. Right now doctors are barely making a living because of the ridiculous malpractice insurance rates they have to pay. If the courts would not award multi-million dollar settlements over something the doctor may have had no control over it might be different. Remember the lawsuit by an old lady who sued McDonalds for the coffee being too hot and spilling between her legs, thus ruining her sex life for 2 weeks. For one, I want my coffee hot. For two, she was old enough that her husband probably could care less. For three, was it worth the $15 million dollars the court gave her? She should have gotten jail time for filing a bogus law suit. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                                             Date: 10 Sep 2006 19:50:36 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:mE%Mg.86$TV3.57@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1157860464.284393.96400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... [...] >>> What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law >>> and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of >>> these services to a reasonable level. >> >> Yes, the above would not be a bad start, and then we should get rid of >> third party insurance. If everyone had to pay for his health care out of >> his own wallet, that would make quite a difference in what could be >> charged. My grandparents were doctors and they were anything but rich. >> Same goes for lawyers a few generations ago. Now those professional >> degrees are nothing but a license to steal. > > Right now doctors are barely making a living because of the ridiculous > malpractice insurance rates they have to pay. If the courts would not > award multi-million dollar settlements over something the doctor may have > had no control over it might be different. ... Nope, all doctors get well off in short order. The best advice you can give a young person if wealth is important to him is to advise him to get an M.D. degree. He may not get to be a millionaire, but he will definitely get to be very well off. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                         Date: 10 Sep 2006 04:58:59 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Bill Baka wrote: >> ... >> My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She holds >> me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone else >> did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved >> those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and she >> is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is >> either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China or >> India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans.... > > The FREE KET is never wrong. If competition brings down wages, it is > a natural correction to financial overcompensation. > > What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law > and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of > these services to a reasonable level. > What you don't realize is that you just stepped into a pile of shit with that rek. Houses down there are going for over a million dollars to live in a decent area. How the hell are you going to pay for that with a globally adjusted wage? The foreigners, almost all of whom are single, share a house between 4 or 5 or more. How is a ried couple going to compete with that? The damned executives pay themselves millions a year so they can afford it then bitch about the shortage of skilled labor. The reason for that is that any sensible kid going to college these days is better off becoming a corporate lawyer, doctor, or something that can't be off shored. Along the lines of your last comment, VOIP and video conferencing via the Internet could make that happen. The prosecution lawyer could be in India and the defense lawyer in China, both on big screens in the courtroom. How about out sourcing politicians while we are at it? I am sure they could find suitably corrupt ones overseas too. Bill Baka                                           Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:39:24 From: di Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:nYMMg.9978$yO7.347@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> Bill Baka wrote: . >> >> What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law >> and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of >> these services to a reasonable level. >> > What you don't realize is that you just stepped into a pile of shit with > that rek. Houses down there are going for over a million dollars to > live in a decent area. How the hell are you going to pay for that with a > globally adjusted wage? The foreigners, almost all of whom are single, > share a house between 4 or 5 or more. How is a ried couple going to > compete with that? The damned executives pay themselves millions a year so > they can afford it then bitch about the shortage of skilled labor. The > reason for that is that any sensible kid going to college these days is > better off becoming a corporate lawyer, doctor, or something that can't be > off shored. Along the lines of your last comment, VOIP and video > conferencing via the Internet could make that happen. The prosecution > lawyer could be in India and the defense lawyer in China, both on big > screens in the courtroom. How about out sourcing politicians while we are > at it? I am sure they could find suitably corrupt ones overseas too. > Bill Baka It's getting scary, I'm agreeing with Baka. The large corporations would like nothing else than to push their work force into low standard of living conditions where they would be not much more than slaves that could not afford to move to a better job. Sherman's "Free ket" concept means "free" labor to the company and give control to some socialist government. BTW, I'm one of the most conservative people you will find, it's just I see what's happening to well paying skilled manufacturing jobs in this country and what they are being replaced with in low pay service jobs.                                             Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:28:07 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah di wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:nYMMg.9978$yO7.347@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >>> Bill Baka wrote: > . >>> What the US needs is to remove artificial barriers to practicing law >>> and medicine in the US, so the FREE KET will bring the costs of >>> these services to a reasonable level. >>> >> What you don't realize is that you just stepped into a pile of shit with >> that rek. Houses down there are going for over a million dollars to >> live in a decent area. How the hell are you going to pay for that with a >> globally adjusted wage? The foreigners, almost all of whom are single, >> share a house between 4 or 5 or more. How is a ried couple going to >> compete with that? The damned executives pay themselves millions a year so >> they can afford it then bitch about the shortage of skilled labor. The >> reason for that is that any sensible kid going to college these days is >> better off becoming a corporate lawyer, doctor, or something that can't be >> off shored. Along the lines of your last comment, VOIP and video >> conferencing via the Internet could make that happen. The prosecution >> lawyer could be in India and the defense lawyer in China, both on big >> screens in the courtroom. How about out sourcing politicians while we are >> at it? I am sure they could find suitably corrupt ones overseas too. >> Bill Baka > > It's getting scary, I'm agreeing with Baka. The large corporations would > like nothing else than to push their work force into low standard of living > conditions where they would be not much more than slaves that could not > afford to move to a better job. Sherman's "Free ket" concept means > "free" labor to the company and give control to some socialist government. > BTW, I'm one of the most conservative people you will find, it's just I see > what's happening to well paying skilled manufacturing jobs in this country > and what they are being replaced with in low pay service jobs. > > Here's another log for the fire. Apple and some other companies have been talking about moving their call centers to some African countries due to the 'high wages' they have to pay the Indians in their booming out sourcing economy and the rising cost of living in India. When Indian workers have to star worrying about their jobs that were taken away from Americans being taken away from them and sent to Africa, it is just plain getting ridiculous. I had a call last week to renew one of my electronics trade magazines and I couldn't even understand the Indian on the other end. Now Africans? We may have to start a boycott of companies that do that to try to prove a point. Dell is one of the worst offenders. Remember the commercials a year or two ago showing the guys in the office working nights at the customer service center? It was totally bogus since they do not have an American call center. I am sure that Michael Dell and other CEO's could give a crap about customer service, other than to say they provide it, while they take their multi-million dollar salaries and stock options. Intel is laying off thousands of workers, probably this month, because they started a new chip making factory in China. The top dogs will probably give themselves a nice round of bonuses. Bill (sick of it) Baka                                       Date: 07 Sep 2006 05:21:38 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:34:03 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> > wrote: > >>> Sheik Bakuni El Looney... You call that writing? That's not writing, >>> that's /typing/. >> that's not thinking, that's regurgitating your nazi crap. > > Factoid on Sheik Bakuni El Looney-- > > Lowest lieutenant in Al-Qaida stopped taking his SAT phone calls five > years ago. > Guys, Get 2 joining rooms with thick walls between you and shout it out. Sheesh, Bill Baka                                         Date: 07 Sep 2006 06:11:55 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:21:38 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:34:03 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >> wrote: >> >>>> Sheik Bakuni El Looney... You call that writing? That's not writing, >>>> that's /typing/. >>> that's not thinking, that's regurgitating your nazi crap. >> >> Factoid on Sheik Bakuni El Looney-- >> >> Lowest lieutenant in Al-Qaida stopped taking his SAT phone calls five >> years ago. >> >Guys, >Get 2 joining rooms with thick walls between you and shout it out. >Sheesh, >Bill Baka "Mrs. Brickston nee Baka," that has a lovely ring to it doesn't it, Billy? Now, run along and ruin somebody else's threads or I'll retract that wedding invite.                                           Date: 07 Sep 2006 22:51:42 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:21:38 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> R Brickston wrote: >>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:34:03 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> Sheik Bakuni El Looney... You call that writing? That's not writing, >>>>> that's /typing/. >>>> that's not thinking, that's regurgitating your nazi crap. >>> Factoid on Sheik Bakuni El Looney-- >>> >>> Lowest lieutenant in Al-Qaida stopped taking his SAT phone calls five >>> years ago. >>> >> Guys, >> Get 2 joining rooms with thick walls between you and shout it out. >> Sheesh, >> Bill Baka > > "Mrs. Brickston nee Baka," that has a lovely ring to it doesn't it, > Billy? Now, run along and ruin somebody else's threads or I'll retract > that wedding invite. Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in the same non padded room. Bill Baka                                             Date: 08 Sep 2006 04:34:05 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 22:51:42 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 05:21:38 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >> >>> R Brickston wrote: >>>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:34:03 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Sheik Bakuni El Looney... You call that writing? That's not writing, >>>>>> that's /typing/. >>>>> that's not thinking, that's regurgitating your nazi crap. >>>> Factoid on Sheik Bakuni El Looney-- >>>> >>>> Lowest lieutenant in Al-Qaida stopped taking his SAT phone calls five >>>> years ago. >>>> >>> Guys, >>> Get 2 joining rooms with thick walls between you and shout it out. >>> Sheesh, >>> Bill Baka >> >> "Mrs. Brickston nee Baka," that has a lovely ring to it doesn't it, >> Billy? Now, run along and ruin somebody else's threads or I'll retract >> that wedding invite. > >Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in >the same non padded room. >Bill Baka That's how you treat your possible future son-in-law with a F.U.? The best you can hope for now is a server at the reception; fair warning, there will be a full criminal background check.                                               Date: 13 Sep 2006 16:43:27 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1158106970.070609.123990@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > >> news:8u7Ng.178$ov2.54@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> >> Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the > >> >> school > >> >> kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems sensible > >> >> to > >> >> me. > >> > > >> > The tax system needs to be overhauled so that people who load down the > >> > school system with 3 or more kids should lose tax deductions starting > >> > with > >> > the third kid. That way the people who cause school crowding will be > >> > the > >> > ones paying for it. Single people or those with no children are hot for > >> > other people's excess reproduction. It also seems to me that the > >> > government should pay for, if not mandate, 2 years of college and then > >> > take the top half and pay for a 4 year education. Take the top 25% of > >> > that > >> > group and put them through to a masters, then take the top 10% of that > >> > group and let them go to a doctorate. Reward for achievement. Simple > >> > enough, so why aren't we doing it? > >> > >> I would reserve public (free, i.e., socialized) education (K-8 only) for > >> the > >> poor and the trash who do not value education in the first place. It > >> would > >> be a sort of baby sitting service and at least instruct in the 3 R's. > >> After > >> Grade 8 education would be reserved for those who can pay for it out of > >> their own pockets. Frankly, we do not need to have everyone in society > >> educated, only a select few. > >> > >> >> But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees > >> >> health > >> >> care? > >> > > >> > Hey grate one, > >> > Why should employers have to pay for their employees to come to work? > >> > >> Employer paid health care is unfair to all those workers and nonworkers > >> who > >> cannot get such plans. Try to get health insurance on your own and you > >> quickly discover you can't afford it. Health care for everyone is a > >> responsibility of the society at large, not employers. > > > > Health care and education are the responsibility of the individual, who > > should be allowed to COMPETE in a FREE KET to sell his/her labor, > > products or services. He/she can take the compensation he/she has > > gained in the FREE KET, and purchase said services that are offered > > on a competitive FREE KET basis. > > Fuck the free ket and fuck globalization too! I am with Pat Buchanan on > some of these questions. Those with the where with all to afford everything > had better watch out. They could end up living in a very unsafe society if > wealth is not more evenly distributed. We Americans are not like third world > subjects who will put up with anything provided they be allowed to live > however poorly. Bloody Commie! > Societies and nations are like tribal groups where one has to look after all > its members. Not to do so imperils the society and the nation. Better education on FREE KET principals is needed. Then the poor will realize that there situation is due entirely to their lack of personal achievement. The FREE KET is the ideal system for fair distribution of resources and CAN NOT be improved upon. > By the way, I do not equate education with health care. After all, most do > not need much education, but everyone needs health care. Individuals need to take into account their potential needs for health care, and obtain adequate resources through the FREE KET to obtain the needed health care. -- Tom Sherman - Here, not there.                                                 Date: 13 Sep 2006 19:42:45 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1158191007.218422.209050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1158106970.070609.123990@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> >> news:8u7Ng.178$ov2.54@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Those who can't pay for it, should get it subsidized just like the >> >> >> school >> >> >> kids get their K-12 education. The Massachusetts plan seems >> >> >> sensible >> >> >> to >> >> >> me. >> >> > >> >> > The tax system needs to be overhauled so that people who load down >> >> > the >> >> > school system with 3 or more kids should lose tax deductions >> >> > starting >> >> > with >> >> > the third kid. That way the people who cause school crowding will be >> >> > the >> >> > ones paying for it. Single people or those with no children are hot >> >> > for >> >> > other people's excess reproduction. It also seems to me that the >> >> > government should pay for, if not mandate, 2 years of college and >> >> > then >> >> > take the top half and pay for a 4 year education. Take the top 25% >> >> > of >> >> > that >> >> > group and put them through to a masters, then take the top 10% of >> >> > that >> >> > group and let them go to a doctorate. Reward for achievement. Simple >> >> > enough, so why aren't we doing it? >> >> >> >> I would reserve public (free, i.e., socialized) education (K-8 only) >> >> for >> >> the >> >> poor and the trash who do not value education in the first place. It >> >> would >> >> be a sort of baby sitting service and at least instruct in the 3 R's. >> >> After >> >> Grade 8 education would be reserved for those who can pay for it out >> >> of >> >> their own pockets. Frankly, we do not need to have everyone in society >> >> educated, only a select few. >> >> >> >> >> But overall, why should employers have to pay for their employees >> >> >> health >> >> >> care? >> >> > >> >> > Hey grate one, >> >> > Why should employers have to pay for their employees to come to >> >> > work? >> >> >> >> Employer paid health care is unfair to all those workers and >> >> nonworkers >> >> who >> >> cannot get such plans. Try to get health insurance on your own and you >> >> quickly discover you can't afford it. Health care for everyone is a >> >> responsibility of the society at large, not employers. >> > >> > Health care and education are the responsibility of the individual, who >> > should be allowed to COMPETE in a FREE KET to sell his/her labor, >> > products or services. He/she can take the compensation he/she has >> > gained in the FREE KET, and purchase said services that are offered >> > on a competitive FREE KET basis. >> >> Fuck the free ket and fuck globalization too! I am with Pat Buchanan >> on >> some of these questions. Those with the where with all to afford >> everything >> had better watch out. They could end up living in a very unsafe society >> if >> wealth is not more evenly distributed. We Americans are not like third >> world >> subjects who will put up with anything provided they be allowed to live >> however poorly. > > Bloody Commie! Bloody Common Sense you mean! >> Societies and nations are like tribal groups where one has to look after >> all >> its members. Not to do so imperils the society and the nation. > > Better education on FREE KET principals is needed. Then the poor > will realize that there situation is due entirely to their lack of > personal achievement. The FREE KET is the ideal system for fair > distribution of resources and CAN NOT be improved upon. > >> By the way, I do not equate education with health care. After all, most >> do >> not need much education, but everyone needs health care. > > Individuals need to take into account their potential needs for health > care, and obtain adequate resources through the FREE KET to obtain > the needed health care. The g.d. medical establishment is ripping off everyone. It is nothing but thievery. "Fuck the free ket and fuck globalization too!" - Ed Dolan Please get it drilled though your head that I am a neoconservative on foreign affairs only. I can get far to the left of you if I so choose. I was not a flaming socialist in my long lost youth for nothing. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                               Date: 08 Sep 2006 04:55:15 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: >> Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in >> the same non padded room. >> Bill Baka > > That's how you treat your possible future son-in-law with a F.U.? The > best you can hope for now is a server at the reception; fair warning, > there will be a full criminal background check. Be prepared for a long printout. Bill                                                 Date: 08 Sep 2006 06:06:47 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:55:15 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >>> Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in >>> the same non padded room. >>> Bill Baka >> >> That's how you treat your possible future son-in-law with a F.U.? The >> best you can hope for now is a server at the reception; fair warning, >> there will be a full criminal background check. > >Be prepared for a long printout. >Bill What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you charged for assault with a dead weapon?                                                   Date: 13 Sep 2006 19:47:57 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > ... > The g[God].d[Damn]. medical establishment is ripping off everyone. It is nothing but > thievery.... The problem with health care is that there are artificial barriers to entry (collusion to limit the number of medical school admissions) and not letting qualified foreign doctors work in the US. Remove these anti-free ket barriers, and we would see medical costs drop dramatically. -- Tom Sherman - Here, not there.                                                     Date: 14 Sep 2006 07:44:43 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1158202077.579470.160520@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... [newsgroups resotored] > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> ... >> The g[God].d[Damn]. medical establishment is ripping off everyone. It is >> nothing but >> thievery.... > > The problem with health care is that there are artificial barriers to > entry (collusion to limit the number of medical school admissions) and > not letting qualified foreign doctors work in the US. Remove these > anti-free ket barriers, and we would see medical costs drop > dramatically. Why the hell was this not posted to ARBR? It has my name in the subject heading and no one knows better than Tom Sherman where I reside. He needs to put his brain into gear and take note of the newsgroups. Yes, we could do what you suggest but I think we would also have to get rid of all health care insurance including employer covered health care insurance. If and when everyone had to pay for their health care out of their own pocket, you would see any amazing drop in prices. By the way, there are plenty of foreign doctors in the VA system. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                                   Date: 08 Sep 2006 21:50:27 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:55:15 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> R Brickston wrote: >>>> Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in >>>> the same non padded room. >>>> Bill Baka >>> That's how you treat your possible future son-in-law with a F.U.? The >>> best you can hope for now is a server at the reception; fair warning, >>> there will be a full criminal background check. >> Be prepared for a long printout. >> Bill > > What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you > charged for assault with a dead weapon? MORON, It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a big stick. Bill Baka                                                     Date: 09 Sep 2006 06:29:22 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:50:27 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:55:15 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >> >>> R Brickston wrote: >>>>> Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in >>>>> the same non padded room. >>>>> Bill Baka >>>> That's how you treat your possible future son-in-law with a F.U.? The >>>> best you can hope for now is a server at the reception; fair warning, >>>> there will be a full criminal background check. >>> Be prepared for a long printout. >>> Bill >> >> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you >> charged for assault with a dead weapon? > >MORON, >It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a >big stick. >Bill Baka Well, you're the one with the underage girlfriend.                                                       Date: 09 Sep 2006 18:19:19 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:50:27 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> R Brickston wrote: >>> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:55:15 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >>> >>>> R Brickston wrote: >>>>>> Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in >>>>>> the same non padded room. >>>>>> Bill Baka >>>>> That's how you treat your possible future son-in-law with a F.U.? The >>>>> best you can hope for now is a server at the reception; fair warning, >>>>> there will be a full criminal background check. >>>> Be prepared for a long printout. >>>> Bill >>> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you >>> charged for assault with a dead weapon? >> MORON, >> It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a >> big stick. >> Bill Baka > > Well, you're the one with the underage girlfriend. Emphasis on friend for now, OK. My wife had a heart attack already and still smokes so I expect to be single again (bereaved) by the time she turns 18. I saw her a few weeks back and daayuuum, she is growing into a woman nicely. Be jealous, she likes me, and anything that happens will be her idea, not that I would say no, of course. At least I have one REALLY good reason for living the next 3 years. Bill (grin) Baka                                                         Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:11:36 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:19:19 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:50:27 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >> >>> R Brickston wrote: >>>> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:55:15 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> R Brickston wrote: >>>>>>> Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in >>>>>>> the same non padded room. >>>>>>> Bill Baka >>>>>> That's how you treat your possible future son-in-law with a F.U.? The >>>>>> best you can hope for now is a server at the reception; fair warning, >>>>>> there will be a full criminal background check. >>>>> Be prepared for a long printout. >>>>> Bill >>>> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you >>>> charged for assault with a dead weapon? >>> MORON, >>> It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a >>> big stick. >>> Bill Baka >> >> Well, you're the one with the underage girlfriend. > >Emphasis on friend for now, OK. My wife had a heart attack already and >still smokes so I expect to be single again (bereaved) by the time she >turns 18. I saw her a few weeks back and daayuuum, she is growing into a >woman nicely. Be jealous, she likes me, and anything that happens will >be her idea, not that I would say no, of course. >At least I have one REALLY good reason for living the next 3 years. >Bill (grin) Baka Jayeez, Billy... actually contemplating your wife's death so you can bang the 18 year old neighbor. Can her Daddy kick your ass? Oops! Sorry, dumb question. Forgot this was Planet Baka.                                                           Date: 10 Sep 2006 03:13:43 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:19:19 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> R Brickston wrote: >>> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:50:27 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >>> >>>> R Brickston wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:55:15 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> R Brickston wrote: >>>>>>>> Brickston, again, Fuck you. Maybe you and Bakuni loony should locked in >>>>>>>> the same non padded room. >>>>>>>> Bill Baka >>>>>>> That's how you treat your possible future son-in-law with a F.U.? The >>>>>>> best you can hope for now is a server at the reception; fair warning, >>>>>>> there will be a full criminal background check. >>>>>> Be prepared for a long printout. >>>>>> Bill >>>>> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you >>>>> charged for assault with a dead weapon? >>>> MORON, >>>> It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a >>>> big stick. >>>> Bill Baka >>> Well, you're the one with the underage girlfriend. >> Emphasis on friend for now, OK. My wife had a heart attack already and >> still smokes so I expect to be single again (bereaved) by the time she >> turns 18. I saw her a few weeks back and daayuuum, she is growing into a >> woman nicely. Be jealous, she likes me, and anything that happens will >> be her idea, not that I would say no, of course. >> At least I have one REALLY good reason for living the next 3 years. >> Bill (grin) Baka > > Jayeez, Billy... actually contemplating your wife's death so you can > bang the 18 year old neighbor. Can her Daddy kick your ass? Oops! > Sorry, dumb question. Forgot this was Planet Baka. My wife and I are only together for convenience at this point. She holds me responsible for getting laid off after 9/11 even though everyone else did within 6 months when the company went down in flames. She loved those big paychecks that kept up her life style. Now I make less and she is pissed at me. I am an electronics engineer and most of the work is either off shored or they will hire an H-1B visa engineer from China or India since they work for peanuts compared to us Americans. I almost took a ride with 2 twenty something blonds today while I was out riding. Saturday night about 6:30 I am riding along out in the foothills and they asked me if I wanted a ride with them. Hmmmm?? Should I? I said I was fine and then they wanted to give me a tow with their car. Again, hmmmm??? Maybe they like older guys on bikes? Sometimes planet Baka gets interesting. I know, I should have, but who would have believed it anyway. If I came home with that big a smile on my face my wife would know right away. <Humongous sigh on this one > Bill Baka                                                             Date: 10 Sep 2006 00:54:50 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:HpLMg.9935$yO7.5627@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... [...] > I almost took a ride with 2 twenty something blonds today while I was out > riding. Saturday night about 6:30 I am riding along out in the foothills > and they asked me if I wanted a ride with them. Hmmmm?? > Should I? I said I was fine and then they wanted to give me a tow with > their car. Again, hmmmm??? Maybe they like older guys on bikes? > Sometimes planet Baka gets interesting. > I know, I should have, but who would have believed it anyway. If I came > home with that big a smile on my face my wife would know right away. > <Humongous sigh on this one> Maybe there really is a planet Baka! I have been going out riding every day for the past 30 years and the only others I ever run into are crusty old bastards like myself. It is a wonder to me that murder has not been committed many times over by now. Maybe Bill could send some of those 20 something blondes my way or are they all to be found only in California (near Sacramento). Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                                               Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:16:46 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:HpLMg.9935$yO7.5627@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > [...] >> I almost took a ride with 2 twenty something blonds today while I was out >> riding. Saturday night about 6:30 I am riding along out in the foothills >> and they asked me if I wanted a ride with them. Hmmmm?? >> Should I? I said I was fine and then they wanted to give me a tow with >> their car. Again, hmmmm??? Maybe they like older guys on bikes? >> Sometimes planet Baka gets interesting. >> I know, I should have, but who would have believed it anyway. If I came >> home with that big a smile on my face my wife would know right away. >> <Humongous sigh on this one> > > Maybe there really is a planet Baka! I have been going out riding every day > for the past 30 years and the only others I ever run into are crusty old > bastards like myself. It is a wonder to me that murder has not been > committed many times over by now. Maybe Bill could send some of those 20 > something blondes my way or are they all to be found only in California > (near Sacramento). I appear to have amazing luck at finding myself in strange situations. They were headed onto town for the Saturday night ritual of going to bars and trying to find guys. I guess they thought they found a guy who would help them shorten the process. If my daughter hadn't lost my digital camera doing what they had planned I would have gotten some pictures. Maybe I should have gone with them since my wife has been the definition of grouch lately (4 years). Not having even a hint of grey hair may have led them astray, too, or they just wanted to try something or someone new. Like I said, I live a weird life, and it isn't always by my intention. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                                                               Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:41:05 From: di Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:jsGdnSbHQpcxNZ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:HpLMg.9935$yO7.5627@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > [...] > > Maybe there really is a planet Baka! I have been going out riding every > day for the past 30 years and the only others I ever run into are crusty > old bastards like myself. It is a wonder to me that murder has not been > committed many times over by now. Maybe Bill could send some of those 20 > something blondes my way or are they all to be found only in California > (near Sacramento). > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > You wouldn't know what to do with the blonds.                                                                 Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:32:57 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah di wrote: > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:jsGdnSbHQpcxNZ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@prairiewave.com... >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> news:HpLMg.9935$yO7.5627@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> [...] >> >> Maybe there really is a planet Baka! I have been going out riding every >> day for the past 30 years and the only others I ever run into are crusty >> old bastards like myself. It is a wonder to me that murder has not been >> committed many times over by now. Maybe Bill could send some of those 20 >> something blondes my way or are they all to be found only in California >> (near Sacramento). >> >> Regards, >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> aka >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >> >> > > You wouldn't know what to do with the blonds. > > I was fully prepared to give them some lessons. That is one thing I am 'really' good at. Bill (the master) Baka                                                                 Date: 10 Sep 2006 06:03:06 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "di" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message news:4ZRMg.136593$LF4.91596@dukeread05... > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:jsGdnSbHQpcxNZ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@prairiewave.com... >> >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> news:HpLMg.9935$yO7.5627@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> [...] >> >> Maybe there really is a planet Baka! I have been going out riding every >> day for the past 30 years and the only others I ever run into are crusty >> old bastards like myself. It is a wonder to me that murder has not been >> committed many times over by now. Maybe Bill could send some of those 20 >> something blondes my way or are they all to be found only in California >> (near Sacramento). > > You wouldn't know what to do with the blonds. So why the hell wasn't the above posted to ARBR, you confounded moron! You know that is where I am at and most of this shit on RBM is strictly for idiots. As for the dumb blondes that Bill Baka admires, I would advise them not to get involved with men who are older than they are. There is no one in this world who admires dirty old men, least of all Saint Edward the Great. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                                                   Date: 10 Sep 2006 11:12:11 From: di Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:CdCdnSKpELl2bZ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > > "di" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message > news:4ZRMg.136593$LF4.91596@dukeread05... >> >> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message >> news:jsGdnSbHQpcxNZ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > So why the hell wasn't the above posted to ARBR, you confounded moron! You > know that is where I am at and most of this shit on RBM is strictly for > idiots. > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > It worked.                                                                     Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:33:57 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah di wrote: > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:CdCdnSKpELl2bZ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@prairiewave.com... >> "di" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:4ZRMg.136593$LF4.91596@dukeread05... >>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message >>> news:jsGdnSbHQpcxNZ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > >> So why the hell wasn't the above posted to ARBR, you confounded moron! You >> know that is where I am at and most of this shit on RBM is strictly for >> idiots. > >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> aka >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >> >> > > It worked. > > You trolled, he bit. Touche. Bill Baka                                                     Date: 08 Sep 2006 22:42:12 From: Little Meow Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Bill Baka bbaka@syix.com wrote in news:DAlMg.23848$kO3.21181 @newssvr12.news.prodigy.com: > R Brickston wrote: >> >> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you >> charged for assault with a dead weapon? > > MORON, > It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a > big stick. > Bill Baka > One would think that fate would at least allow you to finish beating it before you die, rather than forcing others to complete the deed. Otherwise, how will they get the casket closed?                                                       Date: 08 Sep 2006 23:52:06 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah Little Meow wrote: > Bill Baka bbaka@syix.com wrote in news:DAlMg.23848$kO3.21181 > @newssvr12.news.prodigy.com: > >> R Brickston wrote: >>> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you >>> charged for assault with a dead weapon? >> MORON, >> It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a >> big stick. >> Bill Baka >> > > One would think that fate would at least allow you to finish > beating it before you die, rather than forcing others to complete > the deed. Otherwise, how will they get the casket closed? Carefully, I hope. Bill                                                       Date: 08 Sep 2006 17:59:10 From: di Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "Little Meow" <meow@meow.meow > wrote in message news:9838FA9F6672E960E7FF@127.0.0.1... > Bill Baka bbaka@syix.com wrote in news:DAlMg.23848$kO3.21181 > @newssvr12.news.prodigy.com: > >> R Brickston wrote: >>> >>> What's the worst charge on there? The woman that wanted to have you >>> charged for assault with a dead weapon? >> >> MORON, >> It's never been dead. After I die they will have to beat it down with a >> big stick. >> Bill Baka >> > > One would think that fate would at least allow you to finish > beating it before you die, rather than forcing others to complete > the deed. Otherwise, how will they get the casket closed? That was a good one, I'm still laughing, but also thinking that closing the casket probably won't be a problem                                 Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:27:41 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-CD42E9.18312106092006@News-East.Usenet.com... > In article <gIudnf2oYJFcpWLZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> If there are too many >> who think like Tom Sherman, then we are destroyed. > > you don't need people like tom sherman. you're self-destructing. > you need help. time to ask a vet to put you out of your misery. Always good to hear from the peanut gallery. I wonder if Bakunin is even human - or is he nothing but a total and complete asshole like all anarchists. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                 Date: 02 Sep 2006 20:32:37 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: Brickston snipped out for being too long. We are "At war." with terrorism, mostly meaning Iraq, while we ignore the genocide that the Muslims are committing on the southern end of their territory. Why are we ignoring that? Simple, no oil. The dirt poor Africans who are being slaughtered simply have nothing we need so we let them be killed. Does that say anything about politics to you? Bill Baka                   Date: 02 Sep 2006 21:15:10 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:32:37 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >Brickston snipped out for being too long. >We are "At war." with terrorism, mostly meaning Iraq, while we ignore >the genocide that the Muslims are committing on the southern end of >their territory. Why are we ignoring that? Simple, no oil. The dirt poor >Africans who are being slaughtered simply have nothing we need so we let >them be killed. >Does that say anything about politics to you? >Bill Baka Yeah, it says you have your head up your ass.                     Date: 02 Sep 2006 21:25:27 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:32:37 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> R Brickston wrote: >> Brickston snipped out for being too long. >> We are "At war." with terrorism, mostly meaning Iraq, while we ignore >> the genocide that the Muslims are committing on the southern end of >> their territory. Why are we ignoring that? Simple, no oil. The dirt poor >> Africans who are being slaughtered simply have nothing we need so we let >> them be killed. >> Does that say anything about politics to you? >> Bill Baka > > Yeah, it says you have your head up your ass. I meant to anyone intelligent, not you.                       Date: 03 Sep 2006 03:37:46 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:25:27 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:32:37 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >> >>> R Brickston wrote: >>> Brickston snipped out for being too long. >>> We are "At war." with terrorism, mostly meaning Iraq, while we ignore >>> the genocide that the Muslims are committing on the southern end of >>> their territory. Why are we ignoring that? Simple, no oil. The dirt poor >>> Africans who are being slaughtered simply have nothing we need so we let >>> them be killed. >>> Does that say anything about politics to you? >>> Bill Baka >> >> Yeah, it says you have your head up your ass. > >I meant to anyone intelligent, not you. Exactly, Billy. Anyone intelligent knows your head is up your ass.                         Date: 03 Sep 2006 06:05:22 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: a new insult: an edolan. was France blah blah blah R Brickston wrote: > On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:25:27 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> R Brickston wrote: >>> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:32:37 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >>> >>>> R Brickston wrote: >>>> Brickston snipped out for being too long. >>>> We are "At war." with terrorism, mostly meaning Iraq, while we ignore >>>> the genocide that the Muslims are committing on the southern end of >>>> their territory. Why are we ignoring that? Simple, no oil. The dirt poor >>>> Africans who are being slaughtered simply have nothing we need so we let >>>> them be killed. >>>> Does that say anything about politics to you? >>>> Bill Baka >>> Yeah, it says you have your head up your ass. >> I meant to anyone intelligent, not you. > > Exactly, Billy. Anyone intelligent knows your head is up your ass. I probably shouldn't waste my time on you but, why is Iraq so much more than genocide? The Muslims killing Africans to expand their territory are not much better than Hitler, yet since they have no oil Bush turns a blind eye to the situation. You condone genocide? Consider yourself labeled. Bill Baka         Date: 02 Sep 2006 18:58:50 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote: > >R Brickston wrote: >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >> wrote: >> >> >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >> > >> >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever >> >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >> > >> >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >> >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? > >I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas >Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved.           Date: 06 Sep 2006 14:49:49 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote in message news:avkjf2d98opcqqdjlm22uk7329n210k0fv@4ax.com... > On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" > <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>R Brickston wrote: >>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >>> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >>> > >>> >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve >>> >> whatever >>> >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >>> > >>> >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >>> >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >>> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >>> >>> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >> >>I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas >>Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). > > Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and > Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. Yes, Brickston, you are quite correct. What will work against a British civilized race will not work against Nazi Germans and Japanese barbarians who will of course delight in slaughtering all those who oppose them. Tom Sherman is a far-left-wing-liberal-idiot-nut-and-screw-ball (all one word) who does not have the first inkling of what makes human nature go around. I have been battling with him for years on ARBR and he is adumbrate in his obstinacy to reason and intelligence. He simply does not know how to read history. I attribute this to his civil engineering degree where everything reduces to 2 + 2 = 4. Unfortunately for him, human nature is infinitely more complex than that and he does not understand the nature of evil in men. That is why he is so dangerous, as are all liberals. Only we conservatives understand that men can be evil through and through. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 01 Sep 2006 17:19:20 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor R Brickston wrote: > On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> > wrote: > > >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > > > >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever > >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. > > > >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge > >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock > >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. > > So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? I strongly DISAPPROVE of the actions of September 11, 1973. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain         Date: 03 Sep 2006 15:58:53 From: hhs Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157156360.353858.290600@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > R Brickston wrote: <snip > .................................... they knock >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? > > I strongly DISAPPROVE of the actions of September 11, 1973. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain > So now we wonder if you approve of the al Qaeda attack on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 based on it was only the Arabs pushing back at us or some other leftist we deserved it kind of crap? p.s. (OT) Was it your rewriting of history that was responsible for the Chilean coup of 1973 page of Wikipedia being locked down?       Date: 13 Aug 2006 19:27:08 From: Mike Jacoubowsky Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor > Last night I won an Ebay auction for a Timex Bodylink with GPS and data > recorder. I also found a supplier in Italy of the bike mount unit and > sensor wire for the initial Sigma BC1600 computer that broke. So I will > have a number of systems running concurrently and will be able to do a > battery of cross-tests. Are there no decent bike shops that you can buy locally from? It's great learning & saving $$$ on the 'net, but sometimes it makes more sense, when in uncharted territory, to buy from a place that knows what the product can, and cannot do... and that you can return it to if it doesn't work. Might cost a bit more initially, but could save a lot of aggravation. Speaking as a bike shop owner, trust me, I have lost a *lot* of hair over the years, for the benefit of my customers. I lose mine, so they can keep theirs. An awful lot of product that we sell ends up becoming non-profit due to the amount of time we have to (sometimes) spend getting things to work, or discovering after many hours that it simply won't work for a given application. Part of the job. It's the consumer's decision whose hair should be lost, and how much value that hair has. --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com "Elisa Francesca Roselli" <nospam@free.fr > wrote in message news:44deeeef$0$26391$626a54ce@news.free.fr... > Bob C wrote: >> I also had problems with a Polar 725X. My initial setup had the sensors >> on the opposite side of the bike to the watch. As my road bike has a >> steel frame, the magnetic signals from Cadence and Speed were being >> "soaked up" by the bike frame. When I repositioned the watch and sensors >> onto the same side of the bike. "Normal transmission" was resumed. > > Mine were on the same side at the outset, but as I said, I have now put > the watch directly over the fork, i.e. in the middle, so "side" should no > longer be applicable. However, Flyzipper does indeed have a chromoly steel > frame, in addition to his offending architecture. Interestingly, the Polar > Helpdesk does admit that these units will not work on _carbon_ frames. But > they say nothing about steel. > > You know what, I'm going to try putting the watch on the seatpost! Of > course it will still be completely invisible and useless for navigation, > but it is that already. > > Last night I won an Ebay auction for a Timex Bodylink with GPS and data > recorder. I also found a supplier in Italy of the bike mount unit and > sensor wire for the initial Sigma BC1600 computer that broke. So I will > have a number of systems running concurrently and will be able to do a > battery of cross-tests. > > EFR > Ile de France         Date: 02 Sep 2006 12:19:52 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor R Brickston wrote: > On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" > <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > >R Brickston wrote: > >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> > > >> >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever > >> >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. > >> > > >> >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge > >> >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock > >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. > >> > >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? > > > >I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas > >Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). > > Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and > Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did not, i.e. that Satyagraha (non-violent protest) is universally applicable. This is both a poor and dishonest debating tactic. Think of all the lives that would have been saved if instead of the punitive Treaty of Versailles, something similar to the shall Plan had been implemented in Europe at the end of WW1. If you want to bring Hitler into the discussion, what recent event has similarities to the Reichstag Fire? -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain           Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:50:04 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <1157224792.338721.297680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com >, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote: > R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did > not, what did you expect from a fascist? disinformation, distortion, fabrication, lies, misquotes, etc... etc... next step will be the supreme insult: he'll call you a terrorist. the dimwit is slightly on the right of genghis khan. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com             Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:22:18 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-8FAD05.14500402092006@News-East.Usenet.com... > In article <1157224792.338721.297680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >> not, > > what did you expect from a fascist? > disinformation, distortion, fabrication, lies, misquotes, etc... etc... > next step will be the supreme insult: he'll call you a terrorist. > the dimwit is slightly on the right of genghis khan. Ghenghis Khan was a great warrior who slaughtered all the peoples of the Middle East. That is what is needed once again today. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:40:06 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> wrote in message > news:a-8FAD05.14500402092006@News-East.Usenet.com... >> In article <1157224792.338721.297680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >>> not, >> what did you expect from a fascist? >> disinformation, distortion, fabrication, lies, misquotes, etc... etc... >> next step will be the supreme insult: he'll call you a terrorist. >> the dimwit is slightly on the right of genghis khan. > > Ghenghis Khan was a great warrior who slaughtered all the peoples of the > Middle East. That is what is needed once again today. Nah, Just send them food that neutralizes their ability to reproduce and the problem will be solved in about 30 years. Same for all the Chinese, Indians, Mexicans, Africans, and welfare cases that are clogging up the planet. Hmmm, Christian fanatics too, especially the "Born again" variety. We don't need to kill anyone, just prevent more from being born. Humane, no killing and no idiots having 10 kids they can't feed. That's the best middle of the road compromise. Like I said, I am neither a Democrat or a Republican, I just vote for the "LEAST STUPID". Chew on that solution. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                 Date: 06 Sep 2006 20:20:10 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:GmGLg.15925$%j7.8536@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> wrote in message >> news:a-8FAD05.14500402092006@News-East.Usenet.com... >>> In article <1157224792.338721.297680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, >>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >>>> not, >>> what did you expect from a fascist? >>> disinformation, distortion, fabrication, lies, misquotes, etc... etc... >>> next step will be the supreme insult: he'll call you a terrorist. >>> the dimwit is slightly on the right of genghis khan. >> >> Ghenghis Khan was a great warrior who slaughtered all the peoples of the >> Middle East. That is what is needed once again today. > > Nah, > Just send them food that neutralizes their ability to reproduce and the > problem will be solved in about 30 years. Same for all the Chinese, > Indians, Mexicans, Africans, and welfare cases that are clogging up the > planet. Hmmm, Christian fanatics too, especially the "Born again" variety. > We don't need to kill anyone, just prevent more from being born. Humane, > no killing and no idiots having 10 kids they can't feed. > That's the best middle of the road compromise. > Like I said, I am neither a Democrat or a Republican, I just vote for the > "LEAST STUPID". > Chew on that solution. Sounds good to me, but the average slob, of whatever nation or denomination, is ruled by his sex hormones. The third world peoples are still having as many children as they can. This means that eventually they will rule the world as demography is destiny. We Whites, whether American or European, are as doomed as the Dodo Bird. I myself have not procreated because I am basically suicidal and despair of life. I just do not believe in life and once I am dead the whole world can go to Hell. I would like to see the planet Earth become like the planet s, devoid of life. Ah, the purity of it all! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                   Date: 07 Sep 2006 05:37:30 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:GmGLg.15925$%j7.8536@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> wrote in message >>> news:a-8FAD05.14500402092006@News-East.Usenet.com... >>>> In article <1157224792.338721.297680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, >>>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >>>>> not, >>>> what did you expect from a fascist? >>>> disinformation, distortion, fabrication, lies, misquotes, etc... etc... >>>> next step will be the supreme insult: he'll call you a terrorist. >>>> the dimwit is slightly on the right of genghis khan. >>> Ghenghis Khan was a great warrior who slaughtered all the peoples of the >>> Middle East. That is what is needed once again today. >> Nah, >> Just send them food that neutralizes their ability to reproduce and the >> problem will be solved in about 30 years. Same for all the Chinese, >> Indians, Mexicans, Africans, and welfare cases that are clogging up the >> planet. Hmmm, Christian fanatics too, especially the "Born again" variety. >> We don't need to kill anyone, just prevent more from being born. Humane, >> no killing and no idiots having 10 kids they can't feed. >> That's the best middle of the road compromise. >> Like I said, I am neither a Democrat or a Republican, I just vote for the >> "LEAST STUPID". >> Chew on that solution. > > Sounds good to me, but the average slob, of whatever nation or denomination, > is ruled by his sex hormones. The third world peoples are still having as > many children as they can. This means that eventually they will rule the > world as demography is destiny. We Whites, whether American or European, are > as doomed as the Dodo Bird. That is why we should ship them food that kills the reproductive ability and the excess testosterone that some of these fanatics seem to have. I myself have not procreated because I am > basically suicidal and despair of life. I just do not believe in life and > once I am dead the whole world can go to Hell. I would like to see the > planet Earth become like the planet s, devoid of life. Ah, the purity of > it all! I have one daughter and she is NOT having kids in this screwed up world. She is a traffic stopper but not stupid enough to get tied to a man who just wants to make little copies of himself. I created another free spirit, also a st ass like me, but hey, we need a few. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                     Date: 10 Sep 2006 00:33:24 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:ueOLg.8518$yO7.3265@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> I myself have not procreated because I am >> basically suicidal and despair of life. I just do not believe in life and >> once I am dead the whole world can go to Hell. I would like to see the >> planet Earth become like the planet s, devoid of life. Ah, the purity >> of it all! > > I have one daughter and she is NOT having kids in this screwed up world. > She is a traffic stopper but not stupid enough to get tied to a man who > just wants to make little copies of himself. I created another free > spirit, also a st ass like me, but hey, we need a few. Bill, your daughter is a genius, but she is also quite unique for a woman. Most men do not care much about reproducing themselves. They just want to have sex - period! But it is mainly women who want children. They are living, breathing, walking baby factories for sure. If women can be convinced not to want children, or at least not so many children, that will partly solve the overpopulation problem in a few generations, at least here in the West. The real problem with too many people arises in the third world. And now they are exporting their surplus people to the West and we are just stupid enough to take them in. The rather small town where I have lived most of my life here on the high prairie of southern Minnesota had zero minorities when I was a kid (not even any native Indians). Now it is half Mexican and Asian. Go figure! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                       Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:51:32 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:ueOLg.8518$yO7.3265@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] >>> I myself have not procreated because I am >>> basically suicidal and despair of life. I just do not believe in life and >>> once I am dead the whole world can go to Hell. I would like to see the >>> planet Earth become like the planet s, devoid of life. Ah, the purity >>> of it all! >> I have one daughter and she is NOT having kids in this screwed up world. >> She is a traffic stopper but not stupid enough to get tied to a man who >> just wants to make little copies of himself. I created another free >> spirit, also a st ass like me, but hey, we need a few. > > Bill, your daughter is a genius, but she is also quite unique for a woman. > Most men do not care much about reproducing themselves. They just want to > have sex - period! So does she, but with protection and not tied to a guy who wants to get ried and, oh, by the way, have a few kids. But it is mainly women who want children. They are > living, breathing, walking baby factories for sure. If women can be > convinced not to want children, or at least not so many children, that will > partly solve the overpopulation problem in a few generations, at least here > in the West. She sees the world as it is and would not want to sentence her child to live in it. > > The real problem with too many people arises in the third world. And now > they are exporting their surplus people to the West and we are just stupid > enough to take them in. Thanks again to the self serving politicians who think growth at any cost is a good thing. They should be lined up for a firing squad for what they have done to this once great country. The rather small town where I have lived most of my > life here on the high prairie of southern Minnesota had zero minorities when > I was a kid (not even any native Indians). Now it is half Mexican and Asian. > Go figure! You just confirmed my point. I am part native American, the rest from immigrants from Europe who got here legally via Ellis island. The damned Mexicans get over here and have one kid and we let them stay because that kid is an 'American' and we can't kick out an 'American' and his family of ten non-Americans. Then they make the women into baby factories because they all claim to be good little Catholics and the Pope says babies are good, have many, and raise them Catholic so we can overpopulate the planet. Maybe we should nuke the Vatican when all the world's Cardinals and highest Catholics are their. The world would be better off. Religion just causes trouble. Bill (not an atheist, just non-church) Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                         Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:44:41 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:EJNMg.9994$yO7.4299@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> news:ueOLg.8518$yO7.3265@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>> Edward Dolan wrote: >> [...] >>>> I myself have not procreated because I am >>>> basically suicidal and despair of life. I just do not believe in life >>>> and once I am dead the whole world can go to Hell. I would like to see >>>> the planet Earth become like the planet s, devoid of life. Ah, the >>>> purity of it all! >>> I have one daughter and she is NOT having kids in this screwed up world. >>> She is a traffic stopper but not stupid enough to get tied to a man who >>> just wants to make little copies of himself. I created another free >>> spirit, also a st ass like me, but hey, we need a few. >> >> Bill, your daughter is a genius, but she is also quite unique for a >> woman. Most men do not care much about reproducing themselves. They just >> want to have sex - period! > > So does she, but with protection and not tied to a guy who wants to get > ried and, oh, by the way, have a few kids. I most certainly do not approve of anyone having sex for any other reason than procreation, most especially women! We men are slobs and sinners, but I expect women to be infinitely better than us. > But it is mainly women who want children. They are >> living, breathing, walking baby factories for sure. If women can be >> convinced not to want children, or at least not so many children, that >> will partly solve the overpopulation problem in a few generations, at >> least here in the West. > > She sees the world as it is and would not want to sentence her child to > live in it. >> >> The real problem with too many people arises in the third world. And now >> they are exporting their surplus people to the West and we are just >> stupid enough to take them in. > > Thanks again to the self serving politicians who think growth at any cost > is a good thing. They should be lined up for a firing squad for what they > have done to this once great country. Agreed! > The rather small town where I have lived most of my >> life here on the high prairie of southern Minnesota had zero minorities >> when I was a kid (not even any native Indians). Now it is half Mexican >> and Asian. Go figure! > > You just confirmed my point. I am part native American, the rest from > immigrants from Europe who got here legally via Ellis island. The damned > Mexicans get over here and have one kid and we let them stay because that > kid is an 'American' and we can't kick out an 'American' and his family of > ten non-Americans. Yes, you are quite correct about this business of being born in America, therefore you are an American. We have to get rid of that concept altogether. Then they make the women into baby > factories because they all claim to be good little Catholics and the Pope > says babies are good, have many, and raise them Catholic so we can > overpopulate the planet. > Maybe we should nuke the Vatican when all the world's Cardinals and > highest Catholics are their. The world would be better off. > Religion just causes trouble. > Bill (not an atheist, just non-church) Baka Well, now you have gone astray yet once again. It is not religion which causes third world peoples to procreate like they do, it is their status as peasants and ignoramuses. Birth control is a very tricky thing to get right and third world peoples just cannot manage it at all. Religion has nothing to do with it; our human natures (surging hormones) have everything to do with it. It is only in the West that we have managed to get any control over it at all (mainly via abortion). The ignorant Muslims procreate just the same as ignorant Catholics or ignorant pagans do. The ultimate solution is some kind of chemistry which will shut down the reproduction of women. I would also like to see some kind of chemistry that would shut down the activity of sex too, but maybe that is hoping for too much. Religion, however much trouble it causes in the world, is necessary to mankind. Even you admit to being religious, unlike myself. I am a full going atheist without any reservations whatsoever. Only a very small percentage of mankind is capable of atheism and, frankly, I do not wish this kind of brutal truth and honesty on anyone. It requires a very high degree of intellect and civilization to be an atheist and a humanitarian at the same time. Most of history's great atheists have been nothing but great murderers. Hitler and Stalin come immediately to mind as recent examples. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                           Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:10:53 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:EJNMg.9994$yO7.4299@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >>> news:ueOLg.8518$yO7.3265@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> [...] >>>>> I myself have not procreated because I am >>>>> basically suicidal and despair of life. I just do not believe in life >>>>> and once I am dead the whole world can go to Hell. I would like to see >>>>> the planet Earth become like the planet s, devoid of life. Ah, the >>>>> purity of it all! >>>> I have one daughter and she is NOT having kids in this screwed up world. >>>> She is a traffic stopper but not stupid enough to get tied to a man who >>>> just wants to make little copies of himself. I created another free >>>> spirit, also a st ass like me, but hey, we need a few. >>> Bill, your daughter is a genius, but she is also quite unique for a >>> woman. Most men do not care much about reproducing themselves. They just >>> want to have sex - period! >> So does she, but with protection and not tied to a guy who wants to get >> ried and, oh, by the way, have a few kids. > > I most certainly do not approve of anyone having sex for any other reason > than procreation, most especially women! We men are slobs and sinners, but I > expect women to be infinitely better than us. Ahh, Too religious a point of view. Women have hormones too. Her only desire for children might be to adopt, but she likes her fun, too. > >> But it is mainly women who want children. They are >>> living, breathing, walking baby factories for sure. If women can be >>> convinced not to want children, or at least not so many children, that >>> will partly solve the overpopulation problem in a few generations, at >>> least here in the West. >> She sees the world as it is and would not want to sentence her child to >> live in it. >>> The real problem with too many people arises in the third world. And now >>> they are exporting their surplus people to the West and we are just >>> stupid enough to take them in. >> Thanks again to the self serving politicians who think growth at any cost >> is a good thing. They should be lined up for a firing squad for what they >> have done to this once great country. > > Agreed! > >> The rather small town where I have lived most of my >>> life here on the high prairie of southern Minnesota had zero minorities >>> when I was a kid (not even any native Indians). Now it is half Mexican >>> and Asian. Go figure! >> You just confirmed my point. I am part native American, the rest from >> immigrants from Europe who got here legally via Ellis island. The damned >> Mexicans get over here and have one kid and we let them stay because that >> kid is an 'American' and we can't kick out an 'American' and his family of >> ten non-Americans. > > Yes, you are quite correct about this business of being born in America, > therefore you are an American. We have to get rid of that concept > altogether. It would take a Constitutional Amendment and I don't foresee a president with the balls to initiate it. We would also need an amendment for gubernator Arnold to run for president because it says you have to be born here. So, according to that, a Mexican born here too illegals would be eligible, but a motivated and qualified legal immigrant like Arnold would not be. He is the one Republican I might vote for. Yes the system is totally screwed up and the politicians in office now don't have the guts to do anything about it. Bush is too busy playing war with the world to pay attention to his own country, except to make it more like Orwell's 1984 than ever before. > > Then they make the women into baby >> factories because they all claim to be good little Catholics and the Pope >> says babies are good, have many, and raise them Catholic so we can >> overpopulate the planet. >> Maybe we should nuke the Vatican when all the world's Cardinals and >> highest Catholics are their. The world would be better off. >> Religion just causes trouble. >> Bill (not an atheist, just non-church) Baka > > Well, now you have gone astray yet once again. It is not religion which > causes third world peoples to procreate like they do, it is their status as > peasants and ignoramuses. Birth control is a very tricky thing to get right > and third world peoples just cannot manage it at all. In Africa that is true because many of their children die soon after the next child is born due to neglect. Religion has nothing > to do with it; Religion has everything to do with it for the Mexicans, added to the fact that they were staging rallies recently getting in our white faces and bragging, "Face it white people, we have won. You are extinct.". Makes me want to take out a hunting license on Mexicans. our human natures (surging hormones) have everything to do > with it. It is only in the West that we have managed to get any control over > it at all (mainly via abortion). The ignorant Muslims procreate just the > same as ignorant Catholics or ignorant pagans do. Muslims as a whole need to be exterminated. Their religion prevents them from becoming highly educated, treats women as property, and has a legal system that says if you steal a loaf of bread, just to survive, they will cut off your hand. I see no need to tolerate such a religion of primitives on this planet. I think I will coin a new term, "Religionocide". > > The ultimate solution is some kind of chemistry which will shut down the > reproduction of women. I would also like to see some kind of chemistry that > would shut down the activity of sex too, but maybe that is hoping for too > much. Speak for yourself, I am not that old not to enjoy getting laid. Viagra not needed here. > > Religion, however much trouble it causes in the world, is necessary to > mankind. Even you admit to being religious, unlike myself. I am a full going > atheist without any reservations whatsoever. So am I, as a dead on fact, but I didn't want to say it, (come out of the closet) on this board. Only a very small percentage of > mankind is capable of atheism and, frankly, I do not wish this kind of > brutal truth and honesty on anyone. It requires a very high degree of > intellect and civilization to be an atheist and a humanitarian at the same > time. Most of history's great atheists have been nothing but great > murderers. Hitler and Stalin come immediately to mind as recent examples. Those two are probably the best examples that are widely known, but there were petty dictators like Idi Amin for example who used to enjoy killing his own people for fun. he never got that much attention because it was only a 2 bit country in Africa. He used to tie his prisoners up to the ceiling with hand cuffs then hit them in the back of the head with a baseball bat. He prided himself on the number of 'Home runs' he could hit, a home run being defined as popping 'both' of the prisoners eyes out of the front of their heads by smashing their skull in with such force. Lenin gets badmouthed as an evil dictator but he just was the first administrator of communism. Stalin was the great murderer of his own people, killing millions who 'might' have opposed him, including almost all academics, scientists, and any public personality who did not praise him daily. I think it is a tie between Hitler and Stalin as to who was the worst. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                             Date: 10 Sep 2006 19:38:47 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:xb%Mg.74$TV3.41@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> news:EJNMg.9994$yO7.4299@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ueOLg.8518$yO7.3265@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>>>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>> [...] >>>>>> I myself have not procreated because I am >>>>>> basically suicidal and despair of life. I just do not believe in life >>>>>> and once I am dead the whole world can go to Hell. I would like to >>>>>> see the planet Earth become like the planet s, devoid of life. Ah, >>>>>> the purity of it all! >>>>> I have one daughter and she is NOT having kids in this screwed up >>>>> world. She is a traffic stopper but not stupid enough to get tied to a >>>>> man who just wants to make little copies of himself. I created another >>>>> free spirit, also a st ass like me, but hey, we need a few. >>>> Bill, your daughter is a genius, but she is also quite unique for a >>>> woman. Most men do not care much about reproducing themselves. They >>>> just want to have sex - period! >>> So does she, but with protection and not tied to a guy who wants to get >>> ried and, oh, by the way, have a few kids. >> >> I most certainly do not approve of anyone having sex for any other reason >> than procreation, most especially women! We men are slobs and sinners, >> but I expect women to be infinitely better than us. > > Ahh, > Too religious a point of view. Women have hormones too. Her only desire > for children might be to adopt, but she likes her fun, too. This proves to me that you have no understanding of women whatsoever. I am convinced that only Roman Catholic priests and hermits like myself have any understanding of women. In another age I would have been a priest myself and would have delighted in consigning sinners to Hell. Women are deadly serious about sex. That is because only they can bear children. It is only us men who think of it as fun and games. Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is also a frustrated preacher, but he is of the liberal Protestant persuasion whereas I belong to a far older persuasison. I am a kindred spirit to the Spanish Inquisition. Indeed, I am the Grand Inquisitor Himself! >>> But it is mainly women who want children. They are >>>> living, breathing, walking baby factories for sure. If women can be >>>> convinced not to want children, or at least not so many children, that >>>> will partly solve the overpopulation problem in a few generations, at >>>> least here in the West. >>> She sees the world as it is and would not want to sentence her child to >>> live in it. >>>> The real problem with too many people arises in the third world. And >>>> now they are exporting their surplus people to the West and we are just >>>> stupid enough to take them in. >>> Thanks again to the self serving politicians who think growth at any >>> cost is a good thing. They should be lined up for a firing squad for >>> what they have done to this once great country. >> >> Agreed! >> >>> The rather small town where I have lived most of my >>>> life here on the high prairie of southern Minnesota had zero minorities >>>> when I was a kid (not even any native Indians). Now it is half Mexican >>>> and Asian. Go figure! >>> You just confirmed my point. I am part native American, the rest from >>> immigrants from Europe who got here legally via Ellis island. The damned >>> Mexicans get over here and have one kid and we let them stay because >>> that kid is an 'American' and we can't kick out an 'American' and his >>> family of ten non-Americans. >> >> Yes, you are quite correct about this business of being born in America, >> therefore you are an American. We have to get rid of that concept >> altogether. > > It would take a Constitutional Amendment and I don't foresee a president > with the balls to initiate it. We would also need an amendment for > gubernator Arnold to run for president because it says you have to be born > here. So, according to that, a Mexican born here too illegals would be > eligible, but a motivated and qualified legal immigrant like Arnold would > not be. He is the one Republican I might vote for. Yes the system is > totally screwed up and the politicians in office now don't have the guts > to do anything about it. Bush is too busy playing war with the world to > pay attention to his own country, except to make it more like Orwell's > 1984 than ever before. Well, wars abroad are always more important than anything domestically. After all, if we lose our wars, then we have lost everything. Read any history book in order to get a glimmer of this eternal truth. >> Then they make the women into baby >>> factories because they all claim to be good little Catholics and the >>> Pope says babies are good, have many, and raise them Catholic so we can >>> overpopulate the planet. >>> Maybe we should nuke the Vatican when all the world's Cardinals and >>> highest Catholics are their. The world would be better off. >>> Religion just causes trouble. >>> Bill (not an atheist, just non-church) Baka >> >> Well, now you have gone astray yet once again. It is not religion which >> causes third world peoples to procreate like they do, it is their status >> as peasants and ignoramuses. Birth control is a very tricky thing to get >> right and third world peoples just cannot manage it at all. > > In Africa that is true because many of their children die soon after the > next child is born due to neglect. > > Religion has nothing >> to do with it; > > Religion has everything to do with it for the Mexicans, added to the fact > that they were staging rallies recently getting in our white faces and > bragging, "Face it white people, we have won. You are extinct.". > Makes me want to take out a hunting license on Mexicans. Nope, religion has nothing to do with it. However, they are right in that demography is destiny. It they are able to out populate us, then they will win in the end. > our human natures (surging hormones) have everything to do >> with it. It is only in the West that we have managed to get any control >> over it at all (mainly via abortion). The ignorant Muslims procreate just >> the same as ignorant Catholics or ignorant pagans do. > > Muslims as a whole need to be exterminated. Their religion prevents them > from becoming highly educated, treats women as property, and has a legal > system that says if you steal a loaf of bread, just to survive, they will > cut off your hand. I see no need to tolerate such a religion of primitives > on this planet. I think I will coin a new term, "Religionocide". Yes, Bill Baka and I are on the same page here. The Muslim religion has never undergone a Reformation such as Christianity has over and over again. Islam is still mired in the Middle Ages and it is the main reason why Arab countries are so despicable in the 21st century. Until it is reformed, it will always be a religion of the backward and the ignorant. >> The ultimate solution is some kind of chemistry which will shut down the >> reproduction of women. I would also like to see some kind of chemistry >> that would shut down the activity of sex too, but maybe that is hoping >> for too much. > > Speak for yourself, I am not that old not to enjoy getting laid. > Viagra not needed here. >> >> Religion, however much trouble it causes in the world, is necessary to >> mankind. Even you admit to being religious, unlike myself. I am a full >> going atheist without any reservations whatsoever. > > So am I, as a dead on fact, but I didn't want to say it, (come out of the > closet) on this board. Atheism is going to be more and more acceptable in the future, even in America. However, I fear for our moral moorings once we abandon religion. Secular humanism is a horror! > Only a very small percentage of >> mankind is capable of atheism and, frankly, I do not wish this kind of >> brutal truth and honesty on anyone. It requires a very high degree of >> intellect and civilization to be an atheist and a humanitarian at the >> same time. Most of history's great atheists have been nothing but great >> murderers. Hitler and Stalin come immediately to mind as recent examples. > > Those two are probably the best examples that are widely known, but there > were petty dictators like Idi Amin for example who used to enjoy killing > his own people for fun. he never got that much attention because it was > only a 2 bit country in Africa. He used to tie his prisoners up to the > ceiling with hand cuffs then hit them in the back of the head with a > baseball bat. He prided himself on the number of 'Home runs' he could hit, > a home run being defined as popping 'both' of the prisoners eyes out of > the front of their heads by smashing their skull in with such force. Lenin > gets badmouthed as an evil dictator but he just was the first > administrator of communism. Stalin was the great murderer of his own > people, killing millions who 'might' have opposed him, including almost > all academics, scientists, and any public personality who did not praise > him daily. I think it is a tie between Hitler and Stalin as to who was the > worst. See, all it takes is someone like me to bring out the best in Bill Baka! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                               Date: 11 Sep 2006 06:59:51 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > This proves to me that you have no understanding of women whatsoever. I am > convinced that only Roman Catholic priests and hermits like myself have any > understanding of women. In another age I would have been a priest myself and > would have delighted in consigning sinners to Hell. > > Women are deadly serious about sex. That is because only they can bear > children. It is only us men who think of it as fun and games. > > Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is also a frustrated preacher, but he is of the > liberal Protestant persuasion whereas I belong to a far older persuasison. I > am a kindred spirit to the Spanish Inquisition. Indeed, I am the Grand > Inquisitor Himself! Ed, Such talk makes me wonder if you have ever been laid. In 1969 I was a boy toy living with an older (35) woman, and her daughter (18), and we were not trying to make babies. They were both sexaholics, and I just grinned my way through that year. That free love stuff was great while it lasted. > Bush is too busy playing war with the world to >> pay attention to his own country, except to make it more like Orwell's >> 1984 than ever before. > > Well, wars abroad are always more important than anything domestically. > After all, if we lose our wars, then we have lost everything. Read any > history book in order to get a glimmer of this eternal truth. It's a sorry excuse for a war, just like Viet Nam, which we lost. > >> Religion has everything to do with it for the Mexicans, added to the fact >> that they were staging rallies recently getting in our white faces and >> bragging, "Face it white people, we have won. You are extinct.". >> Makes me want to take out a hunting license on Mexicans. > > Nope, religion has nothing to do with it. However, they are right in that > demography is destiny. It they are able to out populate us, then they will > win in the end. That is only because elected officials were so stupid as to allow them up here as farm labor and not aggressively deport them, due to the farmers complaining about labor costs. I would still advocate knocking on the door of every Mexican's house in the US and if I heard a "No habla Anglais", wham, the whole family goes back to Mexico. > >> Muslims as a whole need to be exterminated. Their religion prevents them >> from becoming highly educated, treats women as property, and has a legal >> system that says if you steal a loaf of bread, just to survive, they will >> cut off your hand. I see no need to tolerate such a religion of primitives >> on this planet. I think I will coin a new term, "Religionocide". > > Yes, Bill Baka and I are on the same page here. The Muslim religion has > never undergone a Reformation such as Christianity has over and over again. > Islam is still mired in the Middle Ages and it is the main reason why Arab > countries are so despicable in the 21st century. Until it is reformed, it > will always be a religion of the backward and the ignorant. > >>> Even you admit to being religious, unlike myself. I am a full >>> going atheist without any reservations whatsoever. >> So am I, as a dead on fact, but I didn't want to say it, (come out of the >> closet) on this board. > > Atheism is going to be more and more acceptable in the future, even in > America. However, I fear for our moral moorings once we abandon religion. > Secular humanism is a horror! Religion is actually derived from a need to believe in something good (God) at the end of a life of chaos. Like God cares if YOU eat that night or not. Consider the size of just our one little Galaxy, and then the whole universe and if there even was a possibility of a 'God' why would he care about one spec of dust called 'Earth'? The entire existence of humans is but a microsecond compared to the age of this planet. 10,000 years from now will there be humans? I doubt it. Whatever we do locally or globally, there will be nobody to care, except maybe some alien archaeologists in the distant future. > >> Only a very small percentage of >>> mankind is capable of atheism and, frankly, I do not wish this kind of >>> brutal truth and honesty on anyone. It requires a very high degree of >>> intellect and civilization to be an atheist and a humanitarian at the >>> same time. Most of history's great atheists have been nothing but great >>> murderers. Hitler and Stalin come immediately to mind as recent examples. >> Those two are probably the best examples that are widely known, but there >> were petty dictators like Idi Amin for example who used to enjoy killing >> his own people for fun. he never got that much attention because it was >> only a 2 bit country in Africa. He used to tie his prisoners up to the >> ceiling with hand cuffs then hit them in the back of the head with a >> baseball bat. He prided himself on the number of 'Home runs' he could hit, >> a home run being defined as popping 'both' of the prisoners eyes out of >> the front of their heads by smashing their skull in with such force. Lenin >> gets badmouthed as an evil dictator but he just was the first >> administrator of communism. Stalin was the great murderer of his own >> people, killing millions who 'might' have opposed him, including almost >> all academics, scientists, and any public personality who did not praise >> him daily. I think it is a tie between Hitler and Stalin as to who was the >> worst. > > See, all it takes is someone like me to bring out the best in Bill Baka! > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > I'm only taking time to answer because I can't sleep. This might do the trick though. Bill Baka                                 Date: 12 Sep 2006 16:42:50 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:HP7Ng.182$ov2.20@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> This proves to me that you have no understanding of women whatsoever. I >> am convinced that only Roman Catholic priests and hermits like myself >> have any understanding of women. In another age I would have been a >> priest myself and would have delighted in consigning sinners to Hell. >> >> Women are deadly serious about sex. That is because only they can bear >> children. It is only us men who think of it as fun and games. >> >> Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is also a frustrated preacher, but he is of the >> liberal Protestant persuasion whereas I belong to a far older >> persuasison. I am a kindred spirit to the Spanish Inquisition. Indeed, I >> am the Grand Inquisitor Himself! > > Ed, > Such talk makes me wonder if you have ever been laid. In 1969 I was a boy > toy living with an older (35) woman, and her daughter (18), and we were > not trying to make babies. They were both sexaholics, and I just grinned > my way through that year. That free love stuff was great while it lasted. You have been bamboozled by your experience. There is no such thing as free love. But I do not live on Planet Baka like you do! >> Bush is too busy playing war with the world to >>> pay attention to his own country, except to make it more like Orwell's >>> 1984 than ever before. >> >> Well, wars abroad are always more important than anything domestically. >> After all, if we lose our wars, then we have lost everything. Read any >> history book in order to get a glimmer of this eternal truth. > > It's a sorry excuse for a war, just like Viet Nam, which we lost. We never lost a battle in Vietnam, nor did we lose the war. The South Vietnamese lost the war just like they always lost everything. However, I do blame Johnson and his administration for totally fucking up the war. >>> Religion has everything to do with it for the Mexicans, added to the >>> fact that they were staging rallies recently getting in our white faces >>> and bragging, "Face it white people, we have won. You are extinct.". >>> Makes me want to take out a hunting license on Mexicans. >> >> Nope, religion has nothing to do with it. However, they are right in that >> demography is destiny. It they are able to out populate us, then they >> will win in the end. > > That is only because elected officials were so stupid as to allow them up > here as farm labor and not aggressively deport them, due to the farmers > complaining about labor costs. I would still advocate knocking on the door > of every Mexican's house in the US and if I heard a "No habla Anglais", > wham, the whole family goes back to Mexico. Agreed! >>> Muslims as a whole need to be exterminated. Their religion prevents them >>> from becoming highly educated, treats women as property, and has a legal >>> system that says if you steal a loaf of bread, just to survive, they >>> will cut off your hand. I see no need to tolerate such a religion of >>> primitives on this planet. I think I will coin a new term, >>> "Religionocide". >> >> Yes, Bill Baka and I are on the same page here. The Muslim religion has >> never undergone a Reformation such as Christianity has over and over >> again. Islam is still mired in the Middle Ages and it is the main reason >> why Arab countries are so despicable in the 21st century. Until it is >> reformed, it will always be a religion of the backward and the ignorant. >> >>>> Even you admit to being religious, unlike myself. I am a full going >>>> atheist without any reservations whatsoever. >>> So am I, as a dead on fact, but I didn't want to say it, (come out of >>> the closet) on this board. >> >> Atheism is going to be more and more acceptable in the future, even in >> America. However, I fear for our moral moorings once we abandon religion. >> Secular humanism is a horror! > > Religion is actually derived from a need to believe in something good > (God) at the end of a life of chaos. Like God cares if YOU eat that night > or not. Consider the size of just our one little Galaxy, and then the > whole universe and if there even was a possibility of a 'God' why would he > care about one spec of dust called 'Earth'? The entire existence of humans > is but a microsecond compared to the age of this planet. 10,000 years from > now will there be humans? I doubt it. Whatever we do locally or globally, > there will be nobody to care, except maybe some alien archaeologists in > the distant future. Religion actually springs from man's knowledge and fear of death. It is a way of overcoming this by enabling him to live. Religion is wired into our brains by our evolution. Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again. - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard >>> Only a very small percentage of >>>> mankind is capable of atheism and, frankly, I do not wish this kind of >>>> brutal truth and honesty on anyone. It requires a very high degree of >>>> intellect and civilization to be an atheist and a humanitarian at the >>>> same time. Most of history's great atheists have been nothing but great >>>> murderers. Hitler and Stalin come immediately to mind as recent >>>> examples. >>> Those two are probably the best examples that are widely known, but >>> there were petty dictators like Idi Amin for example who used to enjoy >>> killing his own people for fun. he never got that much attention because >>> it was only a 2 bit country in Africa. He used to tie his prisoners up >>> to the ceiling with hand cuffs then hit them in the back of the head >>> with a baseball bat. He prided himself on the number of 'Home runs' he >>> could hit, a home run being defined as popping 'both' of the prisoners >>> eyes out of the front of their heads by smashing their skull in with >>> such force. Lenin gets badmouthed as an evil dictator but he just was >>> the first administrator of communism. Stalin was the great murderer of >>> his own people, killing millions who 'might' have opposed him, including >>> almost all academics, scientists, and any public personality who did not >>> praise him daily. I think it is a tie between Hitler and Stalin as to >>> who was the worst. >> >> See, all it takes is someone like me to bring out the best in Bill Baka! > > I'm only taking time to answer because I can't sleep. This might do the > trick though. Bill Baka will furnish the nitty-gritty and I will furnish the final perspective. And the readers of these freaking newsgroups will benefit from it. My God, life does not get any better than this! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                   Date: 12 Sep 2006 23:35:12 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:42:50 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >news:HP7Ng.182$ov2.20@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> This proves to me that you have no understanding of women whatsoever. I >>> am convinced that only Roman Catholic priests and hermits like myself >>> have any understanding of women. In another age I would have been a >>> priest myself and would have delighted in consigning sinners to Hell. >>> >>> Women are deadly serious about sex. That is because only they can bear >>> children. It is only us men who think of it as fun and games. >>> >>> Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is also a frustrated preacher, but he is of the >>> liberal Protestant persuasion whereas I belong to a far older >>> persuasison. I am a kindred spirit to the Spanish Inquisition. Indeed, I >>> am the Grand Inquisitor Himself! >> >> Ed, >> Such talk makes me wonder if you have ever been laid. In 1969 I was a boy >> toy living with an older (35) woman, and her daughter (18), and we were >> not trying to make babies. They were both sexaholics, and I just grinned >> my way through that year. That free love stuff was great while it lasted. > >You have been bamboozled by your experience. There is no such thing as free >love. But I do not live on Planet Baka like you do! > >>> Bush is too busy playing war with the world to >>>> pay attention to his own country, except to make it more like Orwell's >>>> 1984 than ever before. >>> >>> Well, wars abroad are always more important than anything domestically. >>> After all, if we lose our wars, then we have lost everything. Read any >>> history book in order to get a glimmer of this eternal truth. >> >> It's a sorry excuse for a war, just like Viet Nam, which we lost. > >We never lost a battle in Vietnam, nor did we lose the war. The South >Vietnamese lost the war just like they always lost everything. However, I do >blame Johnson and his administration for totally fucking up the war. Don't forget the worst offender in the Johnson administration - totally clueless for the entire Vietnam conflict- the ex-Ford bean counter, Robert McNaa; completely misguided decisions at the cost of many lives. >Regards, > >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >aka >Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >                                   Date: 12 Sep 2006 22:46:32 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:HP7Ng.182$ov2.20@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> This proves to me that you have no understanding of women whatsoever. I >>> am convinced that only Roman Catholic priests and hermits like myself >>> have any understanding of women. In another age I would have been a >>> priest myself and would have delighted in consigning sinners to Hell. >>> >>> Women are deadly serious about sex. That is because only they can bear >>> children. It is only us men who think of it as fun and games. >>> >>> Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is also a frustrated preacher, but he is of the >>> liberal Protestant persuasion whereas I belong to a far older >>> persuasison. I am a kindred spirit to the Spanish Inquisition. Indeed, I >>> am the Grand Inquisitor Himself! >> Ed, >> Such talk makes me wonder if you have ever been laid. In 1969 I was a boy >> toy living with an older (35) woman, and her daughter (18), and we were >> not trying to make babies. They were both sexaholics, and I just grinned >> my way through that year. That free love stuff was great while it lasted. > > You have been bamboozled by your experience. There is no such thing as free > love. But I do not live on Planet Baka like you do! Ed, I lived in Hollywood in 1969 and for a while in 1970 and a single male could not escape the girls and women on the prowl. I was once in 1970 standing with my hands kind of clasped behind my back when suddenly I had a hand full of crotch. After a slight squeeze I turned expecting a girl I knew and found a great looking brunette who I never saw before. Since her intentions were obvious it only took about 30 seconds to head up to her room, and I never did get her name. Hollywood was like that in the 1969-1970 period. You should have gotten out of Minnesota those years. Two weeks earlier I had a gorgeous blond that just got into town and told me she needed a place to stay 'hint, hint' and I said she could crash at my place. Come 'sleep' time 'I thought' she got undressed and got under the covers with me and said "I have to pay you back.". There were no objections on my part. That was only 2 instances of many that year. It seemed more like the girls were tired of waiting for guys to hit on them so they reversed the tables. Damn fine year. If that is my personal Planet Baka it has been an interesting place to live. > >>> Bush is too busy playing war with the world to >>>> pay attention to his own country, except to make it more like Orwell's >>>> 1984 than ever before. >>> Well, wars abroad are always more important than anything domestically. >>> After all, if we lose our wars, then we have lost everything. Read any >>> history book in order to get a glimmer of this eternal truth. >> It's a sorry excuse for a war, just like Viet Nam, which we lost. > > We never lost a battle in Vietnam, nor did we lose the war. The South > Vietnamese lost the war just like they always lost everything. However, I do > blame Johnson and his administration for totally fucking up the war. All I can do here is agree. I think Kennedy would not have let it get that out of hand, but Johnson was another Texan. Johnson, Bush (1 and 2), war 1, war 2, war 3. > >>>> Religion has everything to do with it for the Mexicans, added to the >>>> fact that they were staging rallies recently getting in our white faces >>>> and bragging, "Face it white people, we have won. You are extinct.". >>>> Makes me want to take out a hunting license on Mexicans. >>> Nope, religion has nothing to do with it. However, they are right in that >>> demography is destiny. It they are able to out populate us, then they >>> will win in the end. >> That is only because elected officials were so stupid as to allow them up >> here as farm labor and not aggressively deport them, due to the farmers >> complaining about labor costs. I would still advocate knocking on the door >> of every Mexican's house in the US and if I heard a "No habla Anglais", >> wham, the whole family goes back to Mexico. > > Agreed! > >> Religion is actually derived from a need to believe in something good >> (God) at the end of a life of chaos. Like God cares if YOU eat that night >> or not. Consider the size of just our one little Galaxy, and then the >> whole universe and if there even was a possibility of a 'God' why would he >> care about one spec of dust called 'Earth'? The entire existence of humans >> is but a microsecond compared to the age of this planet. 10,000 years from >> now will there be humans? I doubt it. Whatever we do locally or globally, >> there will be nobody to care, except maybe some alien archaeologists in >> the distant future. > > Religion actually springs from man's knowledge and fear of death. What fear? I know that is the end of the road and nobody cheats it. Why worry about the inevitable? I may kill myself by way of a heart attack from overdoing it someday or I may still be working out like Jack La Lanne is at 94. I hope to still be riding and doing my full out sprint style of running. I think most people do not lose the ability, they just stop doing it because it does not fit their view of what a person their age should be doing. I have 2 friends, one is 60 and 6'8" and has not run for over 20 years. The last time I had him running was on a 28-30 mile mountain hike/run to wear out my st ass stepson. The other is only 53, a kid compared to me, and afraid to run because he might hurt himself if he fell. If you are as old as you think, both of these guys should be in retirement homes. It is a > way of overcoming this by enabling him to live. Religion is wired into our > brains by our evolution. > > Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again. > > - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard Apropos! <<spell checker likes that spelling. > >>>Lenin gets badmouthed as an evil dictator but he just was >>>> the first administrator of communism. Stalin was the great murderer of >>>> his own people, killing millions who 'might' have opposed him, including >>>> almost all academics, scientists, and any public personality who did not >>>> praise him daily. I think it is a tie between Hitler and Stalin as to >>>> who was the worst. >>> See, all it takes is someone like me to bring out the best in Bill Baka! >> I'm only taking time to answer because I can't sleep. This might do the >> trick though. > > Bill Baka will furnish the nitty-gritty and I will furnish the final > perspective. And the readers of these freaking newsgroups will benefit from > it. My God, life does not get any better than this! You could start something with me about subatomic particle physics or astronomical anomalies. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >                                     Date: 13 Sep 2006 03:33:13 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:cNGNg.560$vJ2.268@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >> news:HP7Ng.182$ov2.20@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>> This proves to me that you have no understanding of women whatsoever. I >>>> am convinced that only Roman Catholic priests and hermits like myself >>>> have any understanding of women. In another age I would have been a >>>> priest myself and would have delighted in consigning sinners to Hell. >>>> >>>> Women are deadly serious about sex. That is because only they can bear >>>> children. It is only us men who think of it as fun and games. >>>> >>>> Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is also a frustrated preacher, but he is of the >>>> liberal Protestant persuasion whereas I belong to a far older >>>> persuasison. I am a kindred spirit to the Spanish Inquisition. Indeed, >>>> I am the Grand Inquisitor Himself! >>> Ed, >>> Such talk makes me wonder if you have ever been laid. In 1969 I was a >>> boy toy living with an older (35) woman, and her daughter (18), and we >>> were not trying to make babies. They were both sexaholics, and I just >>> grinned my way through that year. That free love stuff was great while >>> it lasted. >> >> You have been bamboozled by your experience. There is no such thing as >> free love. But I do not live on Planet Baka like you do! > > Ed, > I lived in Hollywood in 1969 and for a while in 1970 and a single male > could not escape the girls and women on the prowl. I was once in 1970 > standing with my hands kind of clasped behind my back when suddenly I had > a hand full of crotch. After a slight squeeze I turned expecting a girl I > knew and found a great looking brunette who I never saw before. Since her > intentions were obvious it only took about 30 seconds to head up to her > room, and I never did get her name. Hollywood was like that in the > 1969-1970 period. You should have gotten out of Minnesota those years. Two > weeks earlier I had a gorgeous blond that just got into town and told me > she needed a place to stay 'hint, hint' and I said she could crash at my > place. Come 'sleep' time 'I thought' she got undressed and got under the > covers with me and said "I have to pay you back.". There were no > objections on my part. That was only 2 instances of many that year. It > seemed more like the girls were tired of waiting for guys to hit on them > so they reversed the tables. Damn fine year. > If that is my personal Planet Baka it has been an interesting place to > live. The above is nothing but sheer male fantasy of course. But hey, I would not mind residing on Planet Baka for a short period of time in order to see what I might have missed in life. However, women can spot an ascetic like me a mile off and avoid me like the plague. I think they can sense that I am NEVER in the mood for love. >>>> Bush is too busy playing war with the world to >>>>> pay attention to his own country, except to make it more like Orwell's >>>>> 1984 than ever before. >>>> Well, wars abroad are always more important than anything domestically. >>>> After all, if we lose our wars, then we have lost everything. Read any >>>> history book in order to get a glimmer of this eternal truth. >>> It's a sorry excuse for a war, just like Viet Nam, which we lost. >> >> We never lost a battle in Vietnam, nor did we lose the war. The South >> Vietnamese lost the war just like they always lost everything. However, I >> do blame Johnson and his administration for totally fucking up the war. > > All I can do here is agree. I think Kennedy would not have let it get that > out of hand, but Johnson was another Texan. > Johnson, Bush (1 and 2), war 1, war 2, war 3. Yes, by the time Nixon came to office, it was all over except how to get out. And Kissinger even screwed that up. >>>>> Religion has everything to do with it for the Mexicans, added to the >>>>> fact that they were staging rallies recently getting in our white >>>>> faces and bragging, "Face it white people, we have won. You are >>>>> extinct.". >>>>> Makes me want to take out a hunting license on Mexicans. >>>> Nope, religion has nothing to do with it. However, they are right in >>>> that demography is destiny. It they are able to out populate us, then >>>> they will win in the end. >>> That is only because elected officials were so stupid as to allow them >>> up here as farm labor and not aggressively deport them, due to the >>> farmers complaining about labor costs. I would still advocate knocking >>> on the door of every Mexican's house in the US and if I heard a "No >>> habla Anglais", wham, the whole family goes back to Mexico. >> >> Agreed! >> >>> Religion is actually derived from a need to believe in something good >>> (God) at the end of a life of chaos. Like God cares if YOU eat that >>> night or not. Consider the size of just our one little Galaxy, and then >>> the whole universe and if there even was a possibility of a 'God' why >>> would he care about one spec of dust called 'Earth'? The entire >>> existence of humans is but a microsecond compared to the age of this >>> planet. 10,000 years from now will there be humans? I doubt it. Whatever >>> we do locally or globally, there will be nobody to care, except maybe >>> some alien archaeologists in the distant future. >> >> Religion actually springs from man's knowledge and fear of death. > > What fear? I know that is the end of the road and nobody cheats it. Why > worry about the inevitable? I may kill myself by way of a heart attack > from overdoing it someday or I may still be working out like > Jack La Lanne is at 94. I hope to still be riding and doing my full out > sprint style of running. I think most people do not lose the ability, they > just stop doing it because it does not fit their view of what a person > their age should be doing. I have 2 friends, one is 60 and 6'8" and has > not run for over 20 years. The last time I had him running was on a 28-30 > mile mountain hike/run to wear out my st ass stepson. The other is only > 53, a kid compared to me, and afraid to run because he might hurt himself > if he fell. If you are as old as you think, both of these guys should be > in retirement homes. Nope, all men fear death. Until fairly recently, it was something that all men lived with every day of their lives. Imagine what it must have been like at the time of our evolution as naked apes. Only men can think due to language. Therefore he can KNOW death the way no other animal can. How can you live if you fear death every living second of your life. Truth is you can't - and so the brain evolved religious beliefs. Even an atheist like myself fears death and would like to believe in something beyond it. I am convinced that there is a segment of the brain where religious beliefs reside. Evolution is so rekable because it insists on life above all else and will be able to do almost anything to accomplish this purpose. Darwin was 100% right about everything in the main and anyone who disagrees with him is 100% wrong. > It is a >> way of overcoming this by enabling him to live. Religion is wired into >> our brains by our evolution. >> >> Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again. >> >> - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard > > Apropos! <<spell checker likes that spelling. Our pioneer forefathers had a way with language that we have largely lost. >> >>>Lenin gets badmouthed as an evil dictator but he just was the first >> >>>administrator of communism. Stalin was the great murderer of his own >> >>>people, killing millions who 'might' have opposed him, including >> >>>almost all academics, scientists, and any public personality who did >> >>>not praise him daily. I think it is a tie between Hitler and Stalin as >> >>>to who was the worst. >>>> See, all it takes is someone like me to bring out the best in Bill >>>> Baka! >>> I'm only taking time to answer because I can't sleep. This might do the >>> trick though. >> >> Bill Baka will furnish the nitty-gritty and I will furnish the final >> perspective. And the readers of these freaking newsgroups will benefit >> from it. My God, life does not get any better than this! > > You could start something with me about subatomic particle physics or > astronomical anomalies. I never need to know anything in order to pontificate. Hells Bells, no one else knows much about anything either. But I write for the general readership, not for any one correspondent. This rules out 1001 subjects - such as subatomic particle physics. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                       Date: 13 Sep 2006 18:07:39 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:cNGNg.560$vJ2.268@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message >>> news:HP7Ng.182$ov2.20@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >>>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>>> This proves to me that you have no understanding of women whatsoever. I >>>>> am convinced that only Roman Catholic priests and hermits like myself >>>>> have any understanding of women. In another age I would have been a >>>>> priest myself and would have delighted in consigning sinners to Hell. >>>>> >>>>> Women are deadly serious about sex. That is because only they can bear >>>>> children. It is only us men who think of it as fun and games. >>>>> >>>>> Mr. Tom Sherman of ARBR is also a frustrated preacher, but he is of the >>>>> liberal Protestant persuasion whereas I belong to a far older >>>>> persuasison. I am a kindred spirit to the Spanish Inquisition. Indeed, >>>>> I am the Grand Inquisitor Himself! >>>> Ed, >>>> Such talk makes me wonder if you have ever been laid. In 1969 I was a >>>> boy toy living with an older (35) woman, and her daughter (18), and we >>>> were not trying to make babies. They were both sexaholics, and I just >>>> grinned my way through that year. That free love stuff was great while >>>> it lasted. >>> You have been bamboozled by your experience. There is no such thing as >>> free love. But I do not live on Planet Baka like you do! >> Ed, >> I lived in Hollywood in 1969 and for a while in 1970 and a single male >> could not escape the girls and women on the prowl. I was once in 1970 >> standing with my hands kind of clasped behind my back when suddenly I had >> a hand full of crotch. After a slight squeeze I turned expecting a girl I >> knew and found a great looking brunette who I never saw before. Since her >> intentions were obvious it only took about 30 seconds to head up to her >> room, and I never did get her name. Hollywood was like that in the >> 1969-1970 period. You should have gotten out of Minnesota those years. Two >> weeks earlier I had a gorgeous blond that just got into town and told me >> she needed a place to stay 'hint, hint' and I said she could crash at my >> place. Come 'sleep' time 'I thought' she got undressed and got under the >> covers with me and said "I have to pay you back.". There were no >> objections on my part. That was only 2 instances of many that year. It >> seemed more like the girls were tired of waiting for guys to hit on them >> so they reversed the tables. Damn fine year. >> If that is my personal Planet Baka it has been an interesting place to >> live. > > The above is nothing but sheer male fantasy of course. But hey, I would not > mind residing on Planet Baka for a short period of time in order to see what > I might have missed in life. However, women can spot an ascetic like me a > mile off and avoid me like the plague. I think they can sense that I am > NEVER in the mood for love. God, Do you live on an island or something. It happened, or did you forget how us people in California did things back then? Not to mention I was living in the hottest part of L.A., Hollywood. I had an apartment of Sunset Strip about a block from the Whiskey a Go-Go. Perfect timing to be living there. Too bad you missed out on life. > >>>>> Bush is too busy playing war with the world to >>>>>> pay attention to his own country, except to make it more like Orwell's >>>>>> 1984 than ever before. >>>>> Well, wars abroad are always more important than anything domestically. >>>>> After all, if we lose our wars, then we have lost everything. Read any >>>>> history book in order to get a glimmer of this eternal truth. >>>> It's a sorry excuse for a war, just like Viet Nam, which we lost. >>> We never lost a battle in Vietnam, nor did we lose the war. The South >>> Vietnamese lost the war just like they always lost everything. However, I >>> do blame Johnson and his administration for totally fucking up the war. >> All I can do here is agree. I think Kennedy would not have let it get that >> out of hand, but Johnson was another Texan. >> Johnson, Bush (1 and 2), war 1, war 2, war 3. > > Yes, by the time Nixon came to office, it was all over except how to get > out. And Kissinger even screwed that up. Yeah, Peace loving Republicans. Uh-huh. > >>>>>> Religion has everything to do with it for the Mexicans, added to the >>>>>> fact that they were staging rallies recently getting in our white >>>>>> faces and bragging, "Face it white people, we have won. You are >>>>>> extinct.". >>>>>> Makes me want to take out a hunting license on Mexicans. >>>>> Nope, religion has nothing to do with it. However, they are right in >>>>> that demography is destiny. It they are able to out populate us, then >>>>> they will win in the end. >>>> That is only because elected officials were so stupid as to allow them >>>> up here as farm labor and not aggressively deport them, due to the >>>> farmers complaining about labor costs. I would still advocate knocking >>>> on the door of every Mexican's house in the US and if I heard a "No >>>> habla Anglais", wham, the whole family goes back to Mexico. >>> Agreed! >>> >>>> Religion is actually derived from a need to believe in something good >>>> (God) at the end of a life of chaos. Like God cares if YOU eat that >>>> night or not. Consider the size of just our one little Galaxy, and then >>>> the whole universe and if there even was a possibility of a 'God' why >>>> would he care about one spec of dust called 'Earth'? The entire >>>> existence of humans is but a microsecond compared to the age of this >>>> planet. 10,000 years from now will there be humans? I doubt it. Whatever >>>> we do locally or globally, there will be nobody to care, except maybe >>>> some alien archaeologists in the distant future. >>> Religion actually springs from man's knowledge and fear of death. >> What fear? I know that is the end of the road and nobody cheats it. Why >> worry about the inevitable? I may kill myself by way of a heart attack >> from overdoing it someday or I may still be working out like >> Jack La Lanne is at 94. I hope to still be riding and doing my full out >> sprint style of running. I think most people do not lose the ability, they >> just stop doing it because it does not fit their view of what a person >> their age should be doing. I have 2 friends, one is 60 and 6'8" and has >> not run for over 20 years. The last time I had him running was on a 28-30 >> mile mountain hike/run to wear out my st ass stepson. The other is only >> 53, a kid compared to me, and afraid to run because he might hurt himself >> if he fell. If you are as old as you think, both of these guys should be >> in retirement homes. > > Nope, all men fear death. I don't unless it is a prolonged and messy experience. No nursing home for me. I will go out (I hope) in the Steve Irwin style, doing something I like. A heart attack at 90 trying to attack an insane hill or being shot in bed with another man's wife. Until fairly recently, it was something that all > men lived with every day of their lives. Imagine what it must have been like > at the time of our evolution as naked apes. Only men can think due to > language. You have lost it. Higher animals can think, from Dolphins and porpoises to my cat. I doubt they spend their time contemplating death but they do think but not talk. Therefore he can KNOW death the way no other animal can. How can > you live if you fear death every living second of your life. Truth is you > can't - and so the brain evolved religious beliefs. Even an atheist like > myself fears death and would like to believe in something beyond it. Dying is like going to sleep and not knowing if you are going to wake up, or wake up alive one more day, or in some sort of afterlife. I have been paddled back to the land of the living a few times in 1970 when the doctors really thought I was a goner after a royal car wreck, and I didn't 'see the light'. Either there is, or not. At worst I will miss the next TdF scandal. > > I am convinced that there is a segment of the brain where religious beliefs > reside. Evolution is so rekable because it insists on life above all else > and will be able to do almost anything to accomplish this purpose. Darwin > was 100% right about everything in the main and anyone who disagrees with > him is 100% wrong. Gee, I must be wrong. Many of my wife's relatives and a few people I have known have died before my age so I figure I am ahead of the curve right now. If I don't make it to tomorrow I won't be worried about it, but my daughter and grand kids will be. Don't worry, be happy. Bill Baka > >> It is a >>> way of overcoming this by enabling him to live. Religion is wired into >>> our brains by our evolution. >>> >>> Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again. >>> >>> - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard >> Apropos! <<spell checker likes that spelling. > > Our pioneer forefathers had a way with language that we have largely lost. > >>>>>> Lenin gets badmouthed as an evil dictator but he just was the first >>>>>> administrator of communism. Stalin was the great murderer of his own >>>>>> people, killing millions who 'might' have opposed him, including >>>>>> almost all academics, scientists, and any public personality who did >>>>>> not praise him daily. I think it is a tie between Hitler and Stalin as >>>>>> to who was the worst. >>>>> See, all it takes is someone like me to bring out the best in Bill >>>>> Baka! >>>> I'm only taking time to answer because I can't sleep. This might do the >>>> trick though. >>> Bill Baka will furnish the nitty-gritty and I will furnish the final >>> perspective. And the readers of these freaking newsgroups will benefit >>> from it. My God, life does not get any better than this! >> You could start something with me about subatomic particle physics or >> astronomical anomalies. > > I never need to know anything in order to pontificate. Hells Bells, no one > else knows much about anything either. But I write for the general > readership, not for any one correspondent. This rules out 1001 subjects - > such as subatomic particle physics. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                                         Date: 13 Sep 2006 18:02:45 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:LNXNg.1399$7I1.638@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> The above is nothing but sheer male fantasy of course. But hey, I would >> not mind residing on Planet Baka for a short period of time in order to >> see what I might have missed in life. However, women can spot an ascetic >> like me a mile off and avoid me like the plague. I think they can sense >> that I am NEVER in the mood for love. > > God, > Do you live on an island or something. It happened, or did you forget how > us people in California did things back then? Not to mention I was living > in the hottest part of L.A., Hollywood. I had an apartment of Sunset Strip > about a block from the Whiskey a Go-Go. Perfect timing to be living there. > Too bad you missed out on life. I abhorred the 60's with a passion. I hated everything about that decade. And so I spent it wandering in the mountains and deserts of the Western U.S. where I occasionally encountered hippies and yippies. I never met one of them that I did not instantly hate. I literally wanted to kill them. I simply can't stand scum humans. [...] >> Nope, all men fear death. > > I don't unless it is a prolonged and messy experience. No nursing home for > me. I will go out (I hope) in the Steve Irwin style, doing something I > like. A heart attack at 90 trying to attack an insane hill or being shot > in bed with another man's wife. A heart attack is not a bad way to die, but dying is not about death. Death is about no longer existing, a very hard concept for us humans to wrap our minds around. Hence, the necessity for religion. Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again. - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard > Until fairly recently, it was something that all >> men lived with every day of their lives. Imagine what it must have been >> like at the time of our evolution as naked apes. Only men can think due >> to language. > > You have lost it. Higher animals can think, from Dolphins and porpoises to > my cat. I doubt they spend their time contemplating death but they do > think but not talk. Nope, without language you cannot think. There is no way any animal other than the human animal can have a concept of death. Various 'wild boy' discoveries have proven this. Furthermore, unless you learn language by a certain rather young age, you are lost forever to humanness. > Therefore he can KNOW death the way no other animal can. How can >> you live if you fear death every living second of your life. Truth is you >> can't - and so the brain evolved religious beliefs. Even an atheist like >> myself fears death and would like to believe in something beyond it. > > Dying is like going to sleep and not knowing if you are going to wake up, > or wake up alive one more day, or in some sort of afterlife. I have been > paddled back to the land of the living a few times in 1970 when the > doctors really thought I was a goner after a royal car wreck, and I didn't > 'see the light'. Either there is, or not. At worst I will miss the next > TdF scandal. Maybe so, but the realization of death itself is what matters. Only we humans can contemplate death as a future for ourselves. It will be the same after death as it was before life of course, but most humans cannot accept this brute fact of life. Hence, religion. >> I am convinced that there is a segment of the brain where religious >> beliefs reside. Evolution is so rekable because it insists on life >> above all else and will be able to do almost anything to accomplish this >> purpose. Darwin was 100% right about everything in the main and anyone >> who disagrees with him is 100% wrong. > > Gee, > I must be wrong. Many of my wife's relatives and a few people I have known > have died before my age so I figure I am ahead of the curve right now. If > I don't make it to tomorrow I won't be worried about it, but my daughter > and grand kids will be. > Don't worry, be happy. Bill, you are being a realist and practical about it all, but there is more to it than that for most of the rest of us. You cannot easily explain away the universal belief of men in spirits and the supernatural. It all comes from the fear of death of course. Bravado is NEVER any substitute for this fear, but it makes a good show for others who do not think deeply on these matters. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                           Date: 14 Sep 2006 06:45:18 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message > news:LNXNg.1399$7I1.638@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... >> Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] >>> The above is nothing but sheer male fantasy of course. But hey, I would >>> not mind residing on Planet Baka for a short period of time in order to >>> see what I might have missed in life. However, women can spot an ascetic >>> like me a mile off and avoid me like the plague. I think they can sense >>> that I am NEVER in the mood for love. >> God, >> Do you live on an island or something. It happened, or did you forget how >> us people in California did things back then? Not to mention I was living >> in the hottest part of L.A., Hollywood. I had an apartment of Sunset Strip >> about a block from the Whiskey a Go-Go. Perfect timing to be living there. >> Too bad you missed out on life. > > I abhorred the 60's with a passion. I hated everything about that decade. > And so I spent it wandering in the mountains and deserts of the Western U.S. > where I occasionally encountered hippies and yippies. I never met one of > them that I did not instantly hate. I literally wanted to kill them. I > simply can't stand scum humans. > [...] You sort of have a point, since I at least had a job, first working real work in a paper plant (International Paper) then when they laid off a bunch of people I had to settle for a Jack in the Box. At least I did work, even if my college to that point was ignored. > >>> Nope, all men fear death. >> I don't unless it is a prolonged and messy experience. No nursing home for >> me. I will go out (I hope) in the Steve Irwin style, doing something I >> like. A heart attack at 90 trying to attack an insane hill or being shot >> in bed with another man's wife. > > A heart attack is not a bad way to die, but dying is not about death. Death > is about no longer existing, a very hard concept for us humans to wrap our > minds around. Hence, the necessity for religion. Ok, But the only problem I can see is that my kids, kids^2, will miss me, and I won't get to watch the various bicycle tours on OLNTV. That would be my biggest gripe about going early. > > Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again. > > - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard > >> Until fairly recently, it was something that all >>> men lived with every day of their lives. Imagine what it must have been >>> like at the time of our evolution as naked apes. Only men can think due >>> to language. >> You have lost it. Higher animals can think, from Dolphins and porpoises to >> my cat. I doubt they spend their time contemplating death but they do >> think but not talk. > > Nope, without language you cannot think. There is no way any animal other > than the human animal can have a concept of death. Various 'wild boy' > discoveries have proven this. Furthermore, unless you learn language by a > certain rather young age, you are lost forever to humanness. Ed, You are coming out as a holy fanatic now, elevating this shoddy race as the only one who can think, by way of speech. Ocean mammals communicate over great distances via sound, Dolphins and Porpoises even have equal brain size to us, and Elephants grieve the loss of one of their own. Just because whales talk via FM and not AM like us does not mean they can't think. Maybe they know what's ahead and don't mind sacrificing themselves to the whalers, knowing that at the present pace humans who can think will probably ruin the surface of the Earth, if not also the oceans. It has been shown that linguistic skills cause the brain to grow more, thus a higher adult IQ but who knows what they are talking about underwater? We have never decoded it, but they could be discussing some pretty exotic stuff. Their disadvantage is no written language. > >> Therefore he can KNOW death the way no other animal can. How can >>> you live if you fear death every living second of your life. Truth is you >>> can't - and so the brain evolved religious beliefs. Even an atheist like >>> myself fears death and would like to believe in something beyond it. >> Dying is like going to sleep and not knowing if you are going to wake up, >> or wake up alive one more day, or in some sort of afterlife. I have been >> paddled back to the land of the living a few times in 1970 when the >> doctors really thought I was a goner after a royal car wreck, and I didn't >> 'see the light'. Either there is, or not. At worst I will miss the next >> TdF scandal. > > Maybe so, but the realization of death itself is what matters. Only we > humans can contemplate death as a future for ourselves. It will be the same > after death as it was before life of course, but most humans cannot accept > this brute fact of life. Hence, religion. > >>> I am convinced that there is a segment of the brain where religious >>> beliefs reside. Evolution is so rekable because it insists on life >>> above all else and will be able to do almost anything to accomplish this >>> purpose. Darwin was 100% right about everything in the main and anyone >>> who disagrees with him is 100% wrong. >> Gee, >> I must be wrong. Many of my wife's relatives and a few people I have known >> have died before my age so I figure I am ahead of the curve right now. If >> I don't make it to tomorrow I won't be worried about it, but my daughter >> and grand kids will be. >> Don't worry, be happy. > > Bill, you are being a realist and practical about it all, but there is more > to it than that for most of the rest of us. You cannot easily explain away > the universal belief of men in spirits and the supernatural. It all comes > from the fear of death of course. Bravado is NEVER any substitute for this > fear, but it makes a good show for others who do not think deeply on these > matters. From my scientific point of view, which apparently puts all here to shame, there actually could be interwoven parallel universes with completely different rules and the explanation for ghosts might just be a little 'bleed through'. Space is infinite and there could be more universes out so far we would never have a chance to see them or hear their radio signals. Do you think there is a brick wall 14+ billion light years out? Infinity is infinite, as in beyond the imaginations of the still primitive human race. People are so self centered and limited in imagination. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                                             Date: 14 Sep 2006 06:24:08 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message news:2U6Og.995$GR.463@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> I abhorred the 60's with a passion. I hated everything about that decade. >> And so I spent it wandering in the mountains and deserts of the Western >> U.S. where I occasionally encountered hippies and yippies. I never met >> one of them that I did not instantly hate. I literally wanted to kill >> them. I simply can't stand scum humans. >> [...] > > You sort of have a point, since I at least had a job, first working real > work in a paper plant (International Paper) then when they laid off a > bunch of people I had to settle for a Jack in the Box. At least I did > work, even if my college to that point was ignored. All men need work. It is the one thing that gives some purpose to life. You have no idea how hard it is to live a life without any purpose such as I have done. Young people especially cannot be allowed to lounge around unemployed. The hippies of the 60's were essentially lost souls and did not know their asses from a hole in the ground. When I wasn't hating them, I felt sorry for them. >>>> Nope, all men fear death. >>> I don't unless it is a prolonged and messy experience. No nursing home >>> for me. I will go out (I hope) in the Steve Irwin style, doing something >>> I like. A heart attack at 90 trying to attack an insane hill or being >>> shot in bed with another man's wife. >> >> A heart attack is not a bad way to die, but dying is not about death. >> Death is about no longer existing, a very hard concept for us humans to >> wrap our minds around. Hence, the necessity for religion. > > Ok, > But the only problem I can see is that my kids, kids^2, will miss me, and > I won't get to watch the various bicycle tours on OLNTV. That would be my > biggest gripe about going early. Hey Bill, who wants to live to be 100? Well, anyone who is 99! [...] >> Nope, without language you cannot think. There is no way any animal other >> than the human animal can have a concept of death. Various 'wild boy' >> discoveries have proven this. Furthermore, unless you learn language by a >> certain rather young age, you are lost forever to humanness. > > Ed, > You are coming out as a holy fanatic now, elevating this shoddy race as > the only one who can think, by way of speech. Ocean mammals communicate > over great distances via sound, Dolphins and Porpoises even have equal > brain size to us, and Elephants grieve the loss of one of their own. Just > because whales talk via FM and not AM like us does not mean they can't > think. Maybe they know what's ahead and don't mind sacrificing themselves > to the whalers, knowing that at the present pace humans who can think will > probably ruin the surface of the Earth, if not also the oceans. It has > been shown that linguistic skills cause the brain to grow more, thus a > higher adult IQ but who knows what they are talking about underwater? We > have never decoded it, but they could be discussing some pretty exotic > stuff. Their disadvantage is no written language. Animals other than men are sensual creatures and of course can have feelings, but truly they cannot conceptualize like we humans can. Communication is not speech. Speech requires language which only we humans have. A really great sociological experiment would be to raise a human child from birth without any human contact whatsoever. This is the famous 'wild boy' kind of thing which all social scientists dream about. The best evidence to date is that such children never become human because of their lack of language. They do have rudimentary feelings just as other animals do but they cannot think.They appear severely retarded and this can never be overcome. By the way, this is the forbidden experiment and no social scientist can every undertake it without being labeled a monster and a criminal. [...] >> Bill, you are being a realist and practical about it all, but there is >> more to it than that for most of the rest of us. You cannot easily >> explain away the universal belief of men in spirits and the supernatural. >> It all comes from the fear of death of course. Bravado is NEVER any >> substitute for this fear, but it makes a good show for others who do not >> think deeply on these matters. > > From my scientific point of view, which apparently puts all here to shame, > there actually could be interwoven parallel universes with completely > different rules and the explanation for ghosts might just be a little > 'bleed through'. Space is infinite and there could be more universes out > so far we would never have a chance to see them or hear their radio > signals. Do you think there is a brick wall 14+ billion light years out? > Infinity is infinite, as in beyond the imaginations of the still primitive > human race. > People are so self centered and limited in imagination. I know whereof you speak. But all of that is just pie in the sky speculation. The fact is that we cannot escape our universe since we are part of it. Man everywhere is religious because it is ingrained in his brain. Although I despise the Muslims, I understand them. They badly need to reform their religion so as to get into the 2lst century, but it is a pipe dream to think that men can live without religion. I will defend religion even though I do not believe because I think most men need it. A man without any religion frightens me somehow. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                               Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:33:22 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message <Not the next lines > > Animals other than men are sensual creatures and of course can have > feelings, but truly they cannot conceptualize like we humans can. > Communication is not speech. Speech requires language which only we humans > have. > > A really great sociological experiment would be to raise a human child from > birth without any human contact whatsoever. That kind of experiment would yield a very low I.Q. and the inability to learn language later since that is what stimulates brain growth. This is the famous 'wild boy' > kind of thing which all social scientists dream about. They can just dream. The best evidence to > date is that such children never become human because of their lack of > language. I.E. lack of brain development at an early age where the skull grows to accommodate the growing brain. After about 12 the damage is done. Young children have more neurons starving for input that any adult. That is why there are so many bilingual children that can speak 2 languages without a second thought. They do have rudimentary feelings just as other animals do but > they cannot think. They can think as a human but since they can not speak or read their educational inputs are limited. They appear severely retarded and this can never be overcome. No talking, comprehension, or reading and writing. Not retardation as such. > > By the way, this is the forbidden experiment and no social scientist can > every undertake it without being labeled a monster and a criminal. > [...] > >>> Bill, you are being a realist and practical about it all, but there is >>> more to it than that for most of the rest of us. You cannot easily >>> explain away the universal belief of men in spirits and the supernatural. >>> It all comes from the fear of death of course. Bravado is NEVER any >>> substitute for this fear, but it makes a good show for others who do not >>> think deeply on these matters. >> From my scientific point of view, which apparently puts all here to shame, >> there actually could be interwoven parallel universes with completely >> different rules and the explanation for ghosts might just be a little >> 'bleed through'. Space is infinite and there could be more universes out >> so far we would never have a chance to see them or hear their radio >> signals. Do you think there is a brick wall 14+ billion light years out? >> Infinity is infinite, as in beyond the imaginations of the still primitive >> human race. >> People are so self centered and limited in imagination. > > I know whereof you speak. But all of that is just pie in the sky > speculation. The fact is that we cannot escape our universe since we are > part of it. It is due to the limited Intelligence of the HUMANS you think are so superior. We may be as ants to a truly advanced race. > > Man everywhere is religious because it is ingrained in his brain. Although I > despise the Muslims, I understand them. They badly need to reform their > religion so as to get into the 2lst century, but it is a pipe dream to think > that men can live without religion. I will defend religion even though I do > not believe because I think most men need it. A man without any religion > frightens me somehow. Now you are saying I scare you. Make up your mind. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                                               Date: 14 Sep 2006 12:57:36 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:24:08 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: >A really great sociological experiment would be to raise a human child from >birth without any human contact whatsoever. This is the famous 'wild boy' >kind of thing which all social scientists dream about. The best evidence to >date is that such children never become human because of their lack of >language. They do have rudimentary feelings just as other animals do but >they cannot think.They appear severely retarded and this can never be >overcome. > >By the way, this is the forbidden experiment and no social scientist can >every undertake it without being labeled a monster and a criminal. >[...] > They already did that experiment, but Baka escaped his cage and somehow learned English.                                             Date: 14 Sep 2006 08:11:29 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:45:18 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: > From my scientific point of view, which apparently puts all here to >shame, there actually could be interwoven parallel universes with >completely different rules and the explanation for ghosts might just be >a little 'bleed through'. See, what have I been telling you? This is where Planet Baka must be located. Is Billy a ghost or just a nutjob with internet access?                                               Date: 14 Sep 2006 06:41:48 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote in message news:sg3ig2lg5up37ladd4flv6tpbkt9jf5e7i@4ax.com... > On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:45:18 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> From my scientific point of view, which apparently puts all here to >>shame, there actually could be interwoven parallel universes with >>completely different rules and the explanation for ghosts might just be >>a little 'bleed through'. > > See, what have I been telling you? This is where Planet Baka must be > located. Is Billy a ghost or just a nutjob with internet access? Brickston, you are funny as hell, but you have a cruel streak too. Bill Baka should not kill file you as you provide a valuable down to earth sort of reality. Even I need this from time to time. Bill Baka and I are in the wild blue yonder much of the time. That is because we are artists and one thought will always lead to another. This is not really so bad as it gives the constricted and the constipated something to mull over. Show some mercy occasionally. It takes courage to lay it all out like Bill Baka and I do. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                                 Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:36:11 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Edward Dolan wrote: > "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote in message > news:sg3ig2lg5up37ladd4flv6tpbkt9jf5e7i@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:45:18 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >> >>> From my scientific point of view, which apparently puts all here to >>> shame, there actually could be interwoven parallel universes with >>> completely different rules and the explanation for ghosts might just be >>> a little 'bleed through'. >> See, what have I been telling you? This is where Planet Baka must be >> located. Is Billy a ghost or just a nutjob with internet access? > > Brickston, you are funny as hell, but you have a cruel streak too. Bill Baka > should not kill file you as you provide a valuable down to earth sort of > reality. Even I need this from time to time. I kill filed him because he is a living definition of 'Asshole'. He is not down to earth but should be below it by at least 6". I got this because YOU answered him. > > Bill Baka and I are in the wild blue yonder much of the time. That is > because we are artists and one thought will always lead to another. This is > not really so bad as it gives the constricted and the constipated something > to mull over. Show some mercy occasionally. It takes courage to lay it all > out like Bill Baka and I do. I just live and do not self pity. That he will never understand. Bill Baka > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                                                   Date: 14 Sep 2006 20:07:24 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:36:11 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >Edward Dolan wrote: >> "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote in message >> news:sg3ig2lg5up37ladd4flv6tpbkt9jf5e7i@4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:45:18 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >>> >>>> From my scientific point of view, which apparently puts all here to >>>> shame, there actually could be interwoven parallel universes with >>>> completely different rules and the explanation for ghosts might just be >>>> a little 'bleed through'. >>> See, what have I been telling you? This is where Planet Baka must be >>> located. Is Billy a ghost or just a nutjob with internet access? >> >> Brickston, you are funny as hell, but you have a cruel streak too. Bill Baka >> should not kill file you as you provide a valuable down to earth sort of >> reality. Even I need this from time to time. > >I kill filed him because he is a living definition of 'Asshole'. He is >not down to earth but should be below it by at least 6". I got this >because YOU answered him. "he is a living definition of 'Asshole'." That really (sniff)... hurts, Billy. You cruel and heartless bastard. >> >> Bill Baka and I are in the wild blue yonder much of the time. That is >> because we are artists and one thought will always lead to another. This is >> not really so bad as it gives the constricted and the constipated something >> to mull over. Show some mercy occasionally. It takes courage to lay it all >> out like Bill Baka and I do. > >I just live and do not self pity. That he will never understand. >Bill Baka Billy, you made a typo, let me fix it: >I just lie and do self pity. That he will never understand. >Bill Baka                                                 Date: 14 Sep 2006 13:22:17 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:41:48 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote in message >news:sg3ig2lg5up37ladd4flv6tpbkt9jf5e7i@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:45:18 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >> >>> From my scientific point of view, which apparently puts all here to >>>shame, there actually could be interwoven parallel universes with >>>completely different rules and the explanation for ghosts might just be >>>a little 'bleed through'. >> >> See, what have I been telling you? This is where Planet Baka must be >> located. Is Billy a ghost or just a nutjob with internet access? > >Brickston, you are funny as hell, but you have a cruel streak too. Cruel streak? Can't be done, Ed, usenet is just words on a screen from strangers. That said, one can like, dislike another's writing style. For example, I don't like, hate or dislike Baka because all I can see are the words he produces, I don't know the guy. Now, his writing I don't like, but I don't get all shook up about it. Sure, it looks like I'm "unmerciful," but all Baka gets out of that is one total stranger's words on his screen. That shouldn't be something that evokes emotions. Example, Baka more or less claims "I can kick your ass, Brickston!" (repeatedly, I might add), but can he? Of course not, the words he writes cannot harm anyone and I play with that he doesn't get it (nor will he ever, apparently). Bottom line is the only person that can be cruel to the reader is the reader him or herself. > Bill Baka >should not kill file you as you provide a valuable down to earth sort of >reality. Even I need this from time to time. > >Bill Baka and I are in the wild blue yonder much of the time. That is >because we are artists and one thought will always lead to another. This is >not really so bad as it gives the constricted and the constipated something >to mull over. Show some mercy occasionally. It takes courage to lay it all >out like Bill Baka and I do. > >Regards, > >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >aka >Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Well, Ed, I get your writing, I don't think a lot of people do, because its Whoooosh! over their heads, missing the finer subtleties and they then take it too personally. You have writing craft, Baka, otoh, is no comparison (not even on the same planet).                                                   Date: 17 Sep 2006 07:10:48 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote in message news:eekig2153n8nnojn931h340e108p3nb5df@4ax.com... > On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:41:48 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: [...] >>Brickston, you are funny as hell, but you have a cruel streak too. > > Cruel streak? Can't be done, Ed, usenet is just words on a screen from > strangers. That said, one can like, dislike another's writing style. > For example, I don't like, hate or dislike Baka because all I can see > are the words he produces, I don't know the guy. Now, his writing I > don't like, but I don't get all shook up about it. Yes, the above is my attitude about it too by and large, but words can hurt on occasion. When I first came on ARBR some 3 years ago, I couldn't believe how sensitive everyone was. All of those types have long since gone and those who remain all have the hides of rhinoceroses. > Sure, it looks like I'm "unmerciful," but all Baka gets out of that is > one total stranger's words on his screen. That shouldn't be something > that evokes emotions. Example, Baka more or less claims "I can kick > your ass, Brickston!" (repeatedly, I might add), but can he? Of course > not, the words he writes cannot harm anyone and I play with that he > doesn't get it (nor will he ever, apparently). > Bottom line is the only person that can be cruel to the reader is the > reader him or herself. Well, there can occasionally be some emotion when exactly the wrong thing gets said I must admit. But I try never to get riled about anything. Name calling is useless and has no effect on me whatsoever, but I can be gotten to if and when anyone ever gets my character figured out. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                         Date: 13 Sep 2006 18:38:54 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:07:39 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >> >> Yes, by the time Nixon came to office, it was all over except how to get >> out. And Kissinger even screwed that up. > >Yeah, >Peace loving Republicans. Uh-huh. This just goes to show once again what a political dolt Baka is. Nixon got us out of Vietnam period. The interesting difference is that Johnson used a pacifist oriented bombing comittee to select meaningless targets that would not anger the North, trying to keep them at the table in Paris. Of course, the North just laughed. How may months did North Vietnam waste on what design the table (the actual piece of furniture) should be for the Paris peace talks? All the while pouring in equipment, men and material down the Ho Chi Min Trail. Nixon, on the other hand, bombed the crap out of them and they immediately came around and the war soon ended.                                           Date: 13 Sep 2006 18:22:26 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote in message news:2jjgg29ampehre53ckgka6nilm567856bv@4ax.com... > On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 18:07:39 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >>> >>> Yes, by the time Nixon came to office, it was all over except how to get >>> out. And Kissinger even screwed that up. >> >>Yeah, >>Peace loving Republicans. Uh-huh. > > This just goes to show once again what a political dolt Baka is. > > Nixon got us out of Vietnam period. The interesting difference is that > Johnson used a pacifist oriented bombing comittee to select > meaningless targets that would not anger the North, trying to keep > them at the table in Paris. > > Of course, the North just laughed. How may months did North Vietnam > waste on what design the table (the actual piece of furniture) should > be for the Paris peace talks? All the while pouring in equipment, men > and material down the Ho Chi Min Trail. > > Nixon, on the other hand, bombed the crap out of them and they > immediately came around and the war soon ended. Ah, how refreshing to encounter someone who thinks like I do. Most on these cycling newsgroups are left wing liberal nuts and screwballs (all one word) and I am sick to death of them. I just don't know how folks ever get to be so stupid. Mr. Tom Sherman, a notorious liberal to be found mainly on ARBR, has almost driven me crazy over the years with distraction. He truly sends me around the bend when he equates the Israelis with the Palestinians. One is a democratic people and the other is nothing but murder and mayhem. But liberals live in a fog and cannot ever see anything clearly. But that is what all ideologies do to you. The liberal ideology is not much different than the communist ideology in that it keeps you forever dumb and stupid. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                     Date: 12 Sep 2006 23:38:21 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:46:32 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >I lived in Hollywood in 1969 and for a while in 1970 and a single male >could not escape the girls and women on the prowl. I was once in 1970 >standing with my hands kind of clasped behind my back when suddenly I >had a hand full of crotch. After a slight squeeze I turned expecting a >girl I knew and found a great looking brunette who I never saw before. >Since her intentions were obvious it only took about 30 seconds to head >up to her room, and I never did get her name. Hollywood was like that in >the 1969-1970 period. You should have gotten out of Minnesota those >years. Two weeks earlier I had a gorgeous blond that just got into town >and told me she needed a place to stay 'hint, hint' and I said she could >crash at my place. Come 'sleep' time 'I thought' she got undressed and >got under the covers with me and said "I have to pay you back.". There >were no objections on my part. That was only 2 instances of many that >year. It seemed more like the girls were tired of waiting for guys to >hit on them so they reversed the tables. Damn fine year. >If that is my personal Planet Baka it has been an interesting place to >live. >What fear? I know that is the end of the road and nobody cheats it. Why >worry about the inevitable? I may kill myself by way of a heart attack >from overdoing it someday or I may still be working out like >Jack La Lanne is at 94. I hope to still be riding and doing my full out >sprint style of running. I think most people do not lose the ability, >they just stop doing it because it does not fit their view of what a >person their age should be doing. I have 2 friends, one is 60 and 6'8" >and has not run for over 20 years. The last time I had him running was >on a 28-30 mile mountain hike/run to wear out my st ass stepson. The >other is only 53, a kid compared to me, and afraid to run because he >might hurt himself if he fell. If you are as old as you think, both of >these guys should be in retirement homes. > > >You could start something with me about subatomic particle physics or >astronomical anomalies. >Bill Baka Well, is he on acid or just smoked about a dozen bong hits of that high test weed that is prevalent in California?           Date: 02 Sep 2006 19:39:03 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On 2 Sep 2006 12:19:52 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote: > >R Brickston wrote: >> On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" >> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >R Brickston wrote: >> >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever >> >> >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >> >> > >> >> >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >> >> >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >> >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> >> >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >> > >> >I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas >> >Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). >> >> Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and >> Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. > >R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >not, i.e. that Satyagraha (non-violent protest) is universally >applicable. This is both a poor and dishonest debating tactic. Well, if you said, "I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 2005, when we threw a birthday party for my (plug in favorite relative)," that is obviously not related and no meaning applicable to the present conversation. However, your Ghandi comment is the real example of a poor debating tactic, as is your attempt to deny what you were inferring. >Think of all the lives that would have been saved if instead of the >punitive Treaty of Versailles, something similar to the shall Plan >had been implemented in Europe at the end of WW1. > >If you want to bring Hitler into the discussion, what recent event has >similarities to the Reichstag Fire?           Date: 02 Sep 2006 19:37:43 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > R Brickston wrote: >> On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" >> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> R Brickston wrote: >>>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >>>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever >>>>>> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >>>>> stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >>>>> how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >>>>> down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >>>> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >>> I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas >>> Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). >> Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and >> Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. > > R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did > not, i.e. that Satyagraha (non-violent protest) is universally > applicable. This is both a poor and dishonest debating tactic. > > Think of all the lives that would have been saved if instead of the > punitive Treaty of Versailles, something similar to the shall Plan > had been implemented in Europe at the end of WW1. > > If you want to bring Hitler into the discussion, what recent event has > similarities to the Reichstag Fire? > Have you noticed that Brickston's sole purpose in life seems to be insulting others, mostly me lately? He's a hot air bag as far as I can tell. Bill Baka             Date: 02 Sep 2006 19:40:22 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:37:43 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> R Brickston wrote: >>> On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" >>> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> R Brickston wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >>>>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever >>>>>>> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >>>>>> stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >>>>>> how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >>>>>> down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >>>>> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >>>> I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas >>>> Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). >>> Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and >>> Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. >> >> R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >> not, i.e. that Satyagraha (non-violent protest) is universally >> applicable. This is both a poor and dishonest debating tactic. >> >> Think of all the lives that would have been saved if instead of the >> punitive Treaty of Versailles, something similar to the shall Plan >> had been implemented in Europe at the end of WW1. >> >> If you want to bring Hitler into the discussion, what recent event has >> similarities to the Reichstag Fire? >> >Have you noticed that Brickston's sole purpose in life seems to be >insulting others, mostly me lately? >He's a hot air bag as far as I can tell. >Bill Baka *I'm* the hot air? ROFLMAO..!               Date: 02 Sep 2006 20:02:11 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i R Brickston wrote: > On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:37:43 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> Have you noticed that Brickston's sole purpose in life seems to be >> insulting others, mostly me lately? >> He's a hot air bag as far as I can tell. >> Bill Baka > > *I'm* the hot air? ROFLMAO..! Aside from the infamous tricycle post that I will never live down on this group, I have done what I have posted. If you can't believe it, then I am sorry for you having never experienced very much of a life. I have the balls to at least attempt something, and you appear to be lacking. As I have said before, I have no right to be alive after some of the stuff I have done. My worst blunder cost me 6 months in a hospital, and that was from a damned car malfunction. At least I have not lived life as a sissy afraid to venture out of his padded room, as seems to be your case. Now I am going out to plunder a fig tree I found on my wanderings. Yummy. Bill Baka                 Date: 02 Sep 2006 20:36:18 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:02:11 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: >R Brickston wrote: >> On Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:37:43 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >> >>> Have you noticed that Brickston's sole purpose in life seems to be >>> insulting others, mostly me lately? >>> He's a hot air bag as far as I can tell. >>> Bill Baka >> >> *I'm* the hot air? ROFLMAO..! > >Aside from the infamous tricycle post that I will never live down on >this group, I have done what I have posted. If you can't believe it, >then I think everyone will agree that your stories are highly imaginative, to say the least. >I am sorry for you having never experienced very much of a life. >I have the balls to at least attempt something, and you appear to be >lacking Where do you get this idea? How could you possibly know anything about my life experiences? Perhaps you think that anyone who has had noteworthy happenings in their life will come on a newsgroup and brag about every single one of them, sometimes repetitively at every single chance they get. So, it would seem then, you must think that 99% of the posters here must have led very mundane existences compared to yours. >As I have said before, I have no right to be alive after some >of the stuff I have done. Translation: Blah, blah, blah, blah...... > My worst blunder cost me 6 months in a >hospital, and that was from a damned car malfunction. Translation: Blah, blah, blah, blah...... >At least I have not lived life as a sissy afraid to venture out of his >padded room, as seems to be your case. Translation: Blah, blah, blah, blah...... >Now I am going out to plunder a fig tree I found on my wanderings. >Yummy. >Bill Baka Translation: Blah, blah, blah, blah......           Date: 02 Sep 2006 19:33:17 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On 2 Sep 2006 12:19:52 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote: > >R Brickston wrote: >> On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" >> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >R Brickston wrote: >> >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever >> >> >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >> >> > >> >> >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >> >> >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >> >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> >> >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >> > >> >I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas >> >Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). >> >> Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and >> Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. > >R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >not, i.e. that Satyagraha (non-violent protest) is universally >applicable. This is both a poor and dishonest debating tactic. > >Think of all the lives that would have been saved if instead of the >punitive Treaty of Versailles, something similar to the shall Plan >had been implemented in Europe at the end of WW1. > >If you want to bring Hitler into the discussion, what recent event has >similarities to the Reichstag Fire? There was evidenced it was a staged event, IIRC, from reading Toland's biography of Hitler.         Date: 13 Aug 2006 22:37:16 From: Elisa Francesca Roselli Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: > Are there no decent bike shops that you can buy locally from? Not really. They have only the most backward, basic, standard equipment. Even inner tubes for my bike need to be special ordered, and I have never found accessories suitable for my riding style or in my size without systematically having to go through the UK, the US or the Netherlands. A few simple examples: No bike shorts in my size (USA) The Specialized BG gloves that I wear and love are not available for women here (UK) No helmet-mounted rear-view mirrors (USA) No decent rack-bags designed for superket shopping (Netherlands) No bike-specific arch supports in 39 (UK) No Cane Creek Thudbuster seatposts (UK) No replacement Sigma bike computer mounts sold as a separate item (Italy) The list goes on and on. The Timex I won last night isn't sold in France. Neither is the Polar in the s720i model. I would have been forced to get the s725 and it would have cost at least twice as much in a shop as I paid for it. Besides, there would be absolutely no guarantee that the bike shop would help me get it set up. In fact, my experience has been very much the contrary, with rude, arrogant know-it-all staff that constantly puts me down for not being their standard customer. The shop near me that sells Polar always treats me as if I'm an idiot when I speak about my bike and its requirements. "Mais voyons madame, cela n'a jamais existé !" But they are so "expert" in their field that they haven't even heard of Dahon. I had a Gestalt moment with an LBS that I have since broken dealings with when I asked for a woman's comfort saddle and they vehemently tried to get me to buy a man's sport saddle. Never mind the difference between comfort and sport - apparently even the difference between man and woman was beyond their keting nous. And with Ebay if you don't get on with a product you can always just sell it on. You take a loss but you get to play with a lot of things and have a much better idea of what the product really will and won't do than those ignorant, conceited shop attendants. EFR Ile de France           Date: 03 Sep 2006 01:24:22 From: Tom Keats Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <4lvgh7F3q9jvU1@individual.net >, Tony Raven <junk@raven-family.com > writes: > Tom Keats wrote on 03/09/2006 06:02 +0100: >> At least it doesn't add to it. >> >> And by "solar energy", I'm not strictly referring to photovoltaic >> technology. Tidal, wind, hydro-electric and biofuels are also >> involved. Sometimes even human power, like when riding bikes instead >> of driving cars (after all, people and the foods we eat are >> ultimately solar powered, too.) >> > > Don't forget the sun is a massive nuclear reactor, not that we have much > choice about it and the large volumes of highly radioactive waste it is > throwing in our direction all the time ;-) Exactly! So we've already got a [global] fusion reactor at our disposal. And for the most part, its highly radioactive waste that's thrown in our direction is naturally taken care of. cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca           Date: 02 Sep 2006 22:02:49 From: Tom Keats Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <1157248924.625340.184710@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > writes: > >> Meanwhile, solar energy is there for the harnessing. Heck, >> the whole planet is driven by it. > > Solar energy does nothing to deal with the immense amount of nuclear > waste that would have to be dealt with if all nuclear power plants were > shut down tomorrow. At least it doesn't add to it. And by "solar energy", I'm not strictly referring to photovoltaic technology. Tidal, wind, hydro-electric and biofuels are also involved. Sometimes even human power, like when riding bikes instead of driving cars (after all, people and the foods we eat are ultimately solar powered, too.) But if we really need electric toothbrushes instead of plain ordinary ones, and DustBusters & Dirt Devils instead of brooms and dustpans, and electric can openers, and mechanical dishwashers, and mechanical clothes dryers on sunny days ... I guess we need nukes (and their awful byproducts) to feed power to all that indispensable junk. Wanna know how nuclear waste is dealt with in other parts of the world? Here ya go: http://tinyurl.com/kz6ye In full: http://bellona.org/english_import_area/international/russia/nuke_industry/siberia/mayak/21636 cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca             Date: 03 Sep 2006 09:02:43 From: Tony Raven Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Tom Keats wrote on 03/09/2006 06:02 +0100: > At least it doesn't add to it. > > And by "solar energy", I'm not strictly referring to photovoltaic > technology. Tidal, wind, hydro-electric and biofuels are also > involved. Sometimes even human power, like when riding bikes instead > of driving cars (after all, people and the foods we eat are > ultimately solar powered, too.) > Don't forget the sun is a massive nuclear reactor, not that we have much choice about it and the large volumes of highly radioactive waste it is throwing in our direction all the time ;-) -- Tony "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory." - Leonardo da Vinci           Date: 02 Sep 2006 19:02:04 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Tom Keats wrote: > In article <1157233158.536968.108680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com>, > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> writes: > > > > Bill Baka wrote: > >> Tony Raven wrote: > >> > Bill Baka wrote on 01/09/2006 21:11 +0100: > >> >> > >> >> I'm for using all the nuclear material for power plants and if > >> >> Plutonium can't be used as such, just take and fire the excess into > >> >> the sun whenever enough builds up. > >> >> 3 benefits. > >> >> 1. No Plutonium for bombs. > >> >> 2. Nuclear energy, sorely needed since alternative energy is going > >> >> nowhere fast. > >> >> 3. No bombs left over for terrorists to grab or the ex-USSR to sell. > >> >> Bill Baka > >> > > >> > 4. SE USA become uninhabitable for several thousand years when a launch > >> > fails as it inevitably will (vide Challenger and Columbia) > >> > > >> > > >> Use a rocket, not that waste they call a shuttle. That thing has been a > >> farce since day one. I would gladly sit in a capsule on top of a Saturn > >> V rocket, but not in a shuttle. > > > > The safest way to dispose of nuclear waste appears to be to drill very > > deep holes (significantly below the depth of any aquifer) into bedrock, > > place the waste in a vitrified form in the hole, and backfill with a > > cement grout. > > Preferably in a non-tectonically active area. If there is such > a place anywhere on Earth. If there is, it'll probably be in > a Developing Nation that's so far been happily getting by, > minding it's own business and not bothering anybody. As I see it, there are currently no "good" alternatives for disposal of nuclear waste, so we have to look at the least bad. Transporting thousands of shipments of nuclear waste to a repository is something to be avoided if possible, and leaving waste in its current storage containers is not a long term solution. Drilling deep boreholes at the current nuclear power plant sites it at least technically feasible. > <sigh> Shooting our refuse into the sun. Yeah, might as well > make the whole solar system a garbage dump. After all, we've > already littered the moon and s with our junk. What a bunch > of slobs homo technocutis is. It's not enough that we sully > only the planet we stand on. I expect sooner or later a space > mission will be kyboshed by an orbiting, 25,000 MPH Wendy's > spoon-straw, or the ossal remnants in a Sputniking KFC bucket. > > > The downside is that drilling such holes is extremely > > expensive. > > Big Oil does it all the time. And the oil companies extract (increasingly) economically valuable hydrocarbons from deep boreholes. There is no economic return for burying nuclear waste (if this disposal happens, the governments will in all likelihood stick the taxpayers and/or electrical utility customers with the bill, not the executives and stockholders in the utility companies that made the decisions to build nuclear power plants). > Meanwhile, solar energy is there for the harnessing. Heck, > the whole planet is driven by it. Solar energy does nothing to deal with the immense amount of nuclear waste that would have to be dealt with if all nuclear power plants were shut down tomorrow. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain           Date: 02 Sep 2006 16:33:37 From: Tom Keats Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <1157233158.536968.108680@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com >, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > writes: > > Bill Baka wrote: >> Tony Raven wrote: >> > Bill Baka wrote on 01/09/2006 21:11 +0100: >> >> >> >> I'm for using all the nuclear material for power plants and if >> >> Plutonium can't be used as such, just take and fire the excess into >> >> the sun whenever enough builds up. >> >> 3 benefits. >> >> 1. No Plutonium for bombs. >> >> 2. Nuclear energy, sorely needed since alternative energy is going >> >> nowhere fast. >> >> 3. No bombs left over for terrorists to grab or the ex-USSR to sell. >> >> Bill Baka >> > >> > 4. SE USA become uninhabitable for several thousand years when a launch >> > fails as it inevitably will (vide Challenger and Columbia) >> > >> > >> Use a rocket, not that waste they call a shuttle. That thing has been a >> farce since day one. I would gladly sit in a capsule on top of a Saturn >> V rocket, but not in a shuttle. > > The safest way to dispose of nuclear waste appears to be to drill very > deep holes (significantly below the depth of any aquifer) into bedrock, > place the waste in a vitrified form in the hole, and backfill with a > cement grout. Preferably in a non-tectonically active area. If there is such a place anywhere on Earth. If there is, it'll probably be in a Developing Nation that's so far been happily getting by, minding it's own business and not bothering anybody. <sigh > Shooting our refuse into the sun. Yeah, might as well make the whole solar system a garbage dump. After all, we've already littered the moon and s with our junk. What a bunch of slobs homo technocutis is. It's not enough that we sully only the planet we stand on. I expect sooner or later a space mission will be kyboshed by an orbiting, 25,000 MPH Wendy's spoon-straw, or the ossal remnants in a Sputniking KFC bucket. > The downside is that drilling such holes is extremely > expensive. Big Oil does it all the time. Meanwhile, solar energy is there for the harnessing. Heck, the whole planet is driven by it. Last Saturday was a beautiful sunny day here. I did my weekly trip to the laundromat. While I was there, people were drying their clothes in the mechanical dryers there. I took my wet laundry home and hung it on the clothesline, in the sunshine. I had to bury hardly anything. cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca             Date: 03 Sep 2006 15:36:06 From: Stephen Harding Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Tom Keats wrote: > Meanwhile, solar energy is there for the harnessing. Heck, > the whole planet is driven by it. > > Last Saturday was a beautiful sunny day here. I did my weekly > trip to the laundromat. While I was there, people were drying > their clothes in the mechanical dryers there. I took my wet > laundry home and hung it on the clothesline, in the sunshine. > > I had to bury hardly anything. Wouldn't work too well today and yesterday here (western MA). Rain, drizzle, clouds, no sun. And then there's always that $0.30/KW cost (compared w/ coal at about 3 cents) according to an NPR report I heard a few days ago. Sounds like solar thermal (at about $0.15/KW) has a lot more potential than solar PV for quite some time to come and a lot more efficient. The sun heats a rod that converts water to steam that drives a generator. Still, unless you're in Arizona, there are too many days like today to shut down the system. SMH           Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:39:18 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Bill Baka wrote: > Tony Raven wrote: > > Bill Baka wrote on 01/09/2006 21:11 +0100: > >> > >> I'm for using all the nuclear material for power plants and if > >> Plutonium can't be used as such, just take and fire the excess into > >> the sun whenever enough builds up. > >> 3 benefits. > >> 1. No Plutonium for bombs. > >> 2. Nuclear energy, sorely needed since alternative energy is going > >> nowhere fast. > >> 3. No bombs left over for terrorists to grab or the ex-USSR to sell. > >> Bill Baka > > > > 4. SE USA become uninhabitable for several thousand years when a launch > > fails as it inevitably will (vide Challenger and Columbia) > > > > > Use a rocket, not that waste they call a shuttle. That thing has been a > farce since day one. I would gladly sit in a capsule on top of a Saturn > V rocket, but not in a shuttle. The safest way to dispose of nuclear waste appears to be to drill very deep holes (significantly below the depth of any aquifer) into bedrock, place the waste in a vitrified form in the hole, and backfill with a cement grout. The downside is that drilling such holes is extremely expensive. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain             Date: 02 Sep 2006 21:58:51 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Bill Baka wrote: >> Tony Raven wrote: >>> Bill Baka wrote on 01/09/2006 21:11 +0100: >>>> I'm for using all the nuclear material for power plants and if >>>> Plutonium can't be used as such, just take and fire the excess into >>>> the sun whenever enough builds up. >>>> 3 benefits. >>>> 1. No Plutonium for bombs. >>>> 2. Nuclear energy, sorely needed since alternative energy is going >>>> nowhere fast. >>>> 3. No bombs left over for terrorists to grab or the ex-USSR to sell. >>>> Bill Baka >>> 4. SE USA become uninhabitable for several thousand years when a launch >>> fails as it inevitably will (vide Challenger and Columbia) >>> >>> >> Use a rocket, not that waste they call a shuttle. That thing has been a >> farce since day one. I would gladly sit in a capsule on top of a Saturn >> V rocket, but not in a shuttle. > > The safest way to dispose of nuclear waste appears to be to drill very > deep holes (significantly below the depth of any aquifer) into bedrock, > place the waste in a vitrified form in the hole, and backfill with a > cement grout. The downside is that drilling such holes is extremely > expensive. > Yeah, I have been reading stuff on the DOE web site for about an hour and deep rock storage seems to be the best way to go. I was blown away by the sheer tonnage of waste the US has generated. Reprocessing to recover more good Uranium is one thing they could do, as they mentioned, but there is still a lot of just plain waste that is super radioactive. I had an idea of drilling a hole about 3 miles down and then setting off an atomic bomb at the bottom, thus making a chamber that could hold the waste. Of course there has to be a downside to that too. It is a kind of no win situation. Bill Baka           Date: 14 Aug 2006 05:22:11 From: Mike Jacoubowsky Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor > The list goes on and on. The Timex I won last night isn't sold in France. > Neither is the Polar in the s720i model. I would have been forced to get > the s725 and it would have cost at least twice as much in a shop as I paid > for it. Besides, there would be absolutely no guarantee that the bike shop > would help me get it set up. In fact, my experience has been very much the > contrary, with rude, arrogant know-it-all staff that constantly puts me > down for not being their standard customer. The shop near me that sells > Polar always treats me as if I'm an idiot when I speak about my bike and > its requirements. "Mais voyons madame, cela n'a jamais existé !" But they > are so "expert" in their field that they haven't even heard of Dahon. > > I had a Gestalt moment with an LBS that I have since broken dealings with > when I asked for a woman's comfort saddle and they vehemently tried to get > me to buy a man's sport saddle. Never mind the difference between comfort > and sport - apparently even the difference between man and woman was > beyond their keting nous. Sadly, I know of what you speak. I've been to a few bicycle retailers in France, and with few exceptions there's a rather patronizing attitude towards their "customers" that, in the US, would send them packing. And truth be told, it's sent French consumers packing as well, priily to large multi-sport retailers like Decathlon Sports, where, ironically, customer service seems far friendlier and they actually seem interested in what you might want, rather than preconceived ideas of what you *should* want. Not to say American retailers are perfect. Far, far, FAR from it. But there are enough of us that consumers generally have options, and many of us are always looking ahead to what the customer might want tomorrow, rather than believing that what we've sold for the past 20 years will always be the answer. But the French ket is a tough one to crack; there are so many rules & requirements, and it's so difficult to get rid of incompetent employees, that it's very risky for a foreigner to open up a shop within France. Much of this is to protect the French way of life, and you do, in fact, enjoy many advantages over those living elsewhere. But the type of competition that results in better offerings to the customer is not one of them. I wish you the best of luck, and if our paths cross on my next trip to France, keep in mind "je parle francais come un vache espagnol." I'm getting a bit better at reading a little French, but danged if I can pick up spoken French very well! If you'd like to read about some of my past adventures (and misadventures), check out www.ChainReaction.com/france.htm --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com "Elisa Francesca Roselli" <nospam@free.fr > wrote in message news:44df8d7c$0$29160$636a55ce@news.free.fr... > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: > >> Are there no decent bike shops that you can buy locally from? > > Not really. They have only the most backward, basic, standard equipment. > Even inner tubes for my bike need to be special ordered, and I have never > found accessories suitable for my riding style or in my size without > systematically having to go through the UK, the US or the Netherlands. > > A few simple examples: > No bike shorts in my size (USA) > The Specialized BG gloves that I wear and love are not available for women > here (UK) > No helmet-mounted rear-view mirrors (USA) > No decent rack-bags designed for superket shopping (Netherlands) > No bike-specific arch supports in 39 (UK) > No Cane Creek Thudbuster seatposts (UK) > No replacement Sigma bike computer mounts sold as a separate item (Italy) > > The list goes on and on. The Timex I won last night isn't sold in France. > Neither is the Polar in the s720i model. I would have been forced to get > the s725 and it would have cost at least twice as much in a shop as I paid > for it. Besides, there would be absolutely no guarantee that the bike shop > would help me get it set up. In fact, my experience has been very much the > contrary, with rude, arrogant know-it-all staff that constantly puts me > down for not being their standard customer. The shop near me that sells > Polar always treats me as if I'm an idiot when I speak about my bike and > its requirements. "Mais voyons madame, cela n'a jamais existé !" But they > are so "expert" in their field that they haven't even heard of Dahon. > > I had a Gestalt moment with an LBS that I have since broken dealings with > when I asked for a woman's comfort saddle and they vehemently tried to get > me to buy a man's sport saddle. Never mind the difference between comfort > and sport - apparently even the difference between man and woman was > beyond their keting nous. > > And with Ebay if you don't get on with a product you can always just sell > it on. You take a loss but you get to play with a lot of things and have a > much better idea of what the product really will and won't do than those > ignorant, conceited shop attendants. > > EFR > Ile de France             Date: 03 Sep 2006 13:05:17 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment k Hickey wrote: > Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > > >k Hickey wrote: > >> Very few of us consider us "holier than anyone", but I also think most > >> of us are pragmatic enough to realize that we (the "west") are > >> currently in the early stages of the next true "world war". > > > >On this you are correct, but will it be a holy war, or will we just > >finally piss off the rest of the world to the point where we become the > >equivalent of the Nazi's??? > > Get back to me when we've initiated genocide on millions of a > particular people group. World opinion is just an opinion, nothing > more. Suggesting a correlation to the Nazi regime does two things. > One, it shows you have no perspective or historical knowledge. Two, > it ends the thread. ;-) No it doesn't. See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law >. Usenet flame wars end when the arguments become repetitive so the participants become bored and quit. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain               Date: 03 Sep 2006 19:18:27 From: Mark Hickey Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote: >k Hickey wrote: >> Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: >> >> >k Hickey wrote: >> >> Very few of us consider us "holier than anyone", but I also think most >> >> of us are pragmatic enough to realize that we (the "west") are >> >> currently in the early stages of the next true "world war". >> > >> >On this you are correct, but will it be a holy war, or will we just >> >finally piss off the rest of the world to the point where we become the >> >equivalent of the Nazi's??? >> >> Get back to me when we've initiated genocide on millions of a >> particular people group. World opinion is just an opinion, nothing >> more. Suggesting a correlation to the Nazi regime does two things. >> One, it shows you have no perspective or historical knowledge. Two, >> it ends the thread. ;-) > >No it doesn't. See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law>. > >Usenet flame wars end when the arguments become repetitive so the >participants become bored and quit. I've personally reached that point in record time. The normal contributors who can at least be counted on for rational thought are sadly absent, so it's devolved into a pointless repitition of conspiracy theories quicker than usual, even. When direct historical quotes are considered "smearing" the quotee, sanity has left the room. ;-) k Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame               Date: 03 Sep 2006 15:13:34 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment In article <1157313917.536357.282690@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote: > Usenet flame wars end when the arguments become repetitive so the > participants become bored and quit. brain washed brickston must be the exception. he keeps spewing his christian fundamentalist bullshit all over the net. but what can we expect from a running dog of the american oligarchy. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com             Date: 14 Aug 2006 01:17:29 From: Edward Dolan Subject: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message news:7MTDg.8109$kO3.3201@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... [...] > But the French ket is a tough one to crack; there are so many rules & > requirements, and it's so difficult to get rid of incompetent employees, > that it's very risky for a foreigner to open up a shop within France. Much > of this is to protect the French way of life, and you do, in fact, enjoy > many advantages over those living elsewhere. But the type of competition > that results in better offerings to the customer is not one of them. The French are totally despicable in every regard. They will not defend Western Civilization. They are traitors and cowards. I hope the Islamist Jihadists drop a few atom bombs on them. > I wish you the best of luck, and if our paths cross on my next trip to > France, keep in mind "je parle francais come un vache espagnol." I'm > getting a bit better at reading a little French, but danged if I can pick > up spoken French very well! French is an impossible language. I once tried to learn it in college and I ended up hating everything French. I think it is their confounded language that prevents them from thinking clearly about anything. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 02 Sep 2006 14:27:13 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor R Brickston wrote: > On 2 Sep 2006 12:19:52 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" > <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > >R Brickston wrote: > >> On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" > >> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >R Brickston wrote: > >> >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, > >> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever > >> >> >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. > >> >> > > >> >> >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge > >> >> >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock > >> >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. > >> >> > >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? > >> > > >> >I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas > >> >Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). > >> > >> Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and > >> Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. > > > >R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did > >not, i.e. that Satyagraha (non-violent protest) is universally > >applicable. This is both a poor and dishonest debating tactic. > > Well, if you said, "I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, > 2005, when we threw a birthday party for my (plug in favorite > relative)," that is obviously not related and no meaning applicable to > the present conversation. However, your Ghandi comment is the real > example of a poor debating tactic, as is your attempt to deny what you > were inferring. There are many events that have happened on September 11, and to assume one is of such greater importance than the others that it is assumed to be the event referred to is jingoistic arrogance - there is my implied point. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                 Date: 03 Sep 2006 03:54:42 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On 2 Sep 2006 14:27:13 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote: > >R Brickston wrote: >> On 2 Sep 2006 12:19:52 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" >> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >R Brickston wrote: >> >> On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" >> >> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >R Brickston wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >> >> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The English lately are not much better than the French and deserve whatever >> >> >> >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to judge >> >> >> >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they knock >> >> >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >> >> >> >> >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >> >> > >> >> >I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when Mohandas >> >> >Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent protest). >> >> >> >> Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and >> >> Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. >> > >> >R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >> >not, i.e. that Satyagraha (non-violent protest) is universally >> >applicable. This is both a poor and dishonest debating tactic. >> >> Well, if you said, "I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, >> 2005, when we threw a birthday party for my (plug in favorite >> relative)," that is obviously not related and no meaning applicable to >> the present conversation. However, your Ghandi comment is the real >> example of a poor debating tactic, as is your attempt to deny what you >> were inferring. > You're just arguing twisted logic to make a point that is meaningless. We're discussing a violent act, you bring up a famously non-violent occurance and then claim it was erronneous to think that you were applying it to the immediate discussion. >There are many events that have happened on September 11, and to assume >one is of such greater importance than the others that it is assumed to >be the event referred to is jingoistic arrogance - there is my implied >point. Jingoism? Are you capable of following a simple topic of discussion? What do you think this statement is referring to: "they knock down 2 towers and 3000+ people." What an asshole.                   Date: 06 Sep 2006 15:14:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "R Brickston" <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote in message news:0jjkf25fhiu61ft7k8rdb48thu7d0eqdav@4ax.com... > On 2 Sep 2006 14:27:13 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" > <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>R Brickston wrote: >>> On 2 Sep 2006 12:19:52 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" >>> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >R Brickston wrote: >>> >> On 2 Sep 2006 11:36:16 -0700, "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" >>> >> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >R Brickston wrote: >>> >> >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:31:40 -0500, "M. Bakunin" >>> >> >> <a@mortaucons.org> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >In article <aJKdnaR6lonNMGrZnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@prairiewave.com>, >>> >> >> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> The English lately are not much better than the French and >>> >> >> >> deserve whatever >>> >> >> >> the Islamist Jihadists decide to do to them. >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >stupid mongrel. if you use the extremists' attacks as a scale to >>> >> >> >judge >>> >> >> >how bad a country is, yours gets the gold medal. after all, they >>> >> >> >knock >>> >> >> >down 2 towers and 3000+ people. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> So, you approve of the action on Sept. 11? >>> >> > >>> >> >I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, 1906, when >>> >> >Mohandas >>> >> >Gandhi first used his methodology of Satyagraha (non-violent >>> >> >protest). >>> >> >>> >> Gosh, if we had only used that methodology against the Japanese and >>> >> Hitler in WWII. Think of all the lives it would have saved. >>> > >>> >R. Brickston is attempting to imply that I said something that I did >>> >not, i.e. that Satyagraha (non-violent protest) is universally >>> >applicable. This is both a poor and dishonest debating tactic. >>> >>> Well, if you said, "I greatly approve of the actions of September 11, >>> 2005, when we threw a birthday party for my (plug in favorite >>> relative)," that is obviously not related and no meaning applicable to >>> the present conversation. However, your Ghandi comment is the real >>> example of a poor debating tactic, as is your attempt to deny what you >>> were inferring. >> > > > You're just arguing twisted logic to make a point that is meaningless. > We're discussing a violent act, you bring up a famously non-violent > occurance and then claim it was erronneous to think that you were > applying it to the immediate discussion. > >>There are many events that have happened on September 11, and to assume >>one is of such greater importance than the others that it is assumed to >>be the event referred to is jingoistic arrogance - there is my implied >>point. > > Jingoism? Are you capable of following a simple topic of discussion? > What do you think this statement is referring to: > > "they knock down 2 towers and 3000+ people." > > What an asshole. Yes, Brickston, now you know what I have been putting up with for years on ARBR with Mr. Tom Sherman. He is the penultimate liberal idiot. I atttibute this to his hatred of America and Western Civilization generally. I used to advise him to go the streets of Paris for his aperitif, but now I thinking the streets of Beirut would be even more appropriate. Hells Bells, he might even like the streets of Teheran, where he could become a proper subject for the mullahs. However, he needs to stay out of Israel as he would quickly be murdered there. I have never figured out for sure if Mr. Tom Sherman is an anti-Semite or not, but he is surely very close to being one. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 02 Sep 2006 11:38:22 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Bill Baka wrote: > ...Hell, I don't know if there is a use for it [plutonium] besides bombs.... BICYCLE FRAMES! -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                 Date: 03 Sep 2006 16:13:29 From: hhs Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1157222302.492609.77940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Bill Baka wrote: >> ...Hell, I don't know if there is a use for it [plutonium] besides >> bombs.... > > BICYCLE FRAMES! > > -- > Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain > I believe Sherman means BICYCLE BOMBS! They are becoming more popular these days.                   Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:26:55 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i hhs wrote: > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1157222302.492609.77940@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> Bill Baka wrote: >>> ...Hell, I don't know if there is a use for it [plutonium] besides >>> bombs.... >> BICYCLE FRAMES! >> >> -- >> Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain >> > > I believe Sherman means BICYCLE BOMBS! They are becoming more popular these > days. > > Huh? Where? I have seen some bicycles that bombed, but bicycle bombs????? Bill Baka                     Date: 03 Sep 2006 16:32:54 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <zMHKg.15122$%j7.2571@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net >, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: > I have seen some bicycles that bombed, but bicycle bombs????? it's been used many times already. in the 80's in front of a synagogue in paris. and more recently on august 30 in iraq in front of an army recruiting center in Hillah (12 dead). so it's just recycling an old idea. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com                       Date: 03 Sep 2006 19:46:22 From: hhs Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-89E79B.16325403092006@News-East.Usenet.com... > In article <zMHKg.15122$%j7.2571@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> I have seen some bicycles that bombed, but bicycle bombs????? > > it's been used many times already. in the 80's in front of a synagogue > in paris. and more recently on august 30 in iraq in front of an army > recruiting center in Hillah (12 dead). > so it's just recycling an old idea. > > -- that should be hillah                         Date: 03 Sep 2006 20:19:51 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <q4qdnXQRX-bO6mbZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com >, "hhs" <hhs@nospamever.com > wrote: > > recruiting center in Hillah (12 dead). > > so it's just recycling an old idea. > > > > -- > > that should be hillah bravo! sorry, i meant Bravo! -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com                           Date: 04 Sep 2006 01:33:08 From: R Brickston Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 20:19:51 -0500, "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote: >In article <q4qdnXQRX-bO6mbZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@comcast.com>, > "hhs" <hhs@nospamever.com> wrote: > >> > recruiting center in Hillah (12 dead). >> > so it's just recycling an old idea. >> > >> > -- >> >> that should be hillah > >bravo! >sorry, i meant Bravo! Could this troll flame bait be any more obvious?                       Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:36:58 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i M. Bakunin wrote: > In article <zMHKg.15122$%j7.2571@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> I have seen some bicycles that bombed, but bicycle bombs????? > > it's been used many times already. in the 80's in front of a synagogue > in paris. and more recently on august 30 in iraq in front of an army > recruiting center in Hillah (12 dead). > so it's just recycling an old idea. > Apparently it never made the American news or was just a one liner to our news people. I guess a bicycle frame packed to the hilt with TNT would make one hell of a frag bomb. Bill Baka                         Date: 03 Sep 2006 16:48:09 From: M. Bakunin Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor In article <_VHKg.15125$%j7.4645@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net >, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote: > Apparently it never made the American news like so many things. between the media self-imposed censorship, the one imposed by the government and the lack of interest by the populace, one seeking information will find more propaganda than information. now, if morons (like dolan and brickston) could read anything else than american, they may get educated by reading the foreign press websites. i guess if they were interested they could read it anyway on the websites written in english. but that would mean they have a real interest in finding out what is really going in the world. -- *** USA, THE MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PLUTOCRACY *** Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com                           Date: 06 Sep 2006 16:27:12 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "M. Bakunin" <a@mortaucons.org > wrote in message news:a-11B820.16480903092006@News-East.Usenet.com... > In article <_VHKg.15125$%j7.4645@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> Apparently it never made the American news > > like so many things. between the media self-imposed censorship, the one > imposed by the government and the lack of interest by the populace, one > seeking information will find more propaganda than information. > now, if morons (like dolan and brickston) The only moron on these newsgroups is Bakunin. He proves that every time he posts his numskull messages. could read anything else than > american, they may get educated by reading the foreign press websites. i > guess if they were interested they could read it anyway on the websites > written in english. but that would mean they have a real interest in > finding out what is really going in the world. Yes, you especially need to read those Arab press websites. There you will get the real skinny on what is happening in the world. I would like to know what makes Bakunin the foremost idiot on these cycling newsgroups,. I think it all springs from his anarchist ideology. What do you think? Anarchism - anyone? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                           Date: 03 Sep 2006 23:02:14 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: France and the French was Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i M. Bakunin wrote: > In article <_VHKg.15125$%j7.4645@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com> wrote: > >> Apparently it never made the American news > > like so many things. between the media self-imposed censorship, the one > imposed by the government and the lack of interest by the populace, one > seeking information will find more propaganda than information. > now, if morons (like dolan and brickston) could read anything else than > american, they may get educated by reading the foreign press websites. i > guess if they were interested they could read it anyway on the websites > written in english. but that would mean they have a real interest in > finding out what is really going in the world. > This is why I have shortwave radios that glow in the dark. I get the news directly from the country that is broadcasting and it is definitely not always in praise of the (semi) United States. I don't know if the CIA or whoever can block Internet access to sites they don't like, but I wouldn't put it past them. In the cold war days the Soviets used to broadcast hash noise at about a million watts to cover stations they didn't like. It was like tuning into a buzz saw. If the US starts doing that then I know the shit is going to hit the fan. Bill Baka           Date: 13 Aug 2006 17:32:56 From: Roger Houston Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor "Nick Kew" <nick@asgard.webthing.com > wrote in message news:f4e4r3-oud.ln1@asgard.webthing.com... > > Ahem. Look up your etymology. > > That statement ranks with Dubya saying "the French have > no word for Entrepreneur". Bhem http://www.snopes.com/quotes/bush.htm       Date: 13 Aug 2006 13:57:30 From: Elisa Francesca Roselli Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: > You know what, I'm going to try putting the watch on the seatpost! Of > course it will still be completely invisible and useless for navigation, > but it is that already. Well, that seems to work! By positioning the watch under my _arse_, I can get plasible readings for cadence, heart and speed. Just tried it on a pootle round the underground parking. More conclusive tests will follow when I next take the bike out for a commute to work on the 22nd, weather allowing. Meanwhile I'm in London for another short stint this week. Gotta get back to Brick Lane for some more of that curry. A bientôt, EFR Ile de France         Date: 14 Aug 2006 00:18:57 From: Elisa Francesca Roselli Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: > Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: > Well, that seems to work! By positioning the watch under my _arse_, I > can get plasible readings for cadence, heart and speed. But after downloading the file into the computer, I once again see that the heart reading cuts out evey time I actually get on the bike. It only reads when I am off the bike and pushing. EFR Ile de France         Date: 13 Aug 2006 17:58:26 From: Dan Gregory Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: Meanwhile I'm in London for another short > stint this week. Gotta get back to Brick Lane for some more of that curry. > > A bientôt, Il y a toujours des bagels a Brick Lane? They were the best you could get.. Bon séjour Dan Gregory           Date: 13 Aug 2006 19:42:56 From: Elisa Francesca Roselli Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Dan Gregory wrote: > Il y a toujours des bagels a Brick Lane? > They were the best you could get.. Didn't know they had bagels there. I would have thought the neighbourhood was rather differently persuaded, but I'll have a look. One of my dearest memories of my native New Yawk is the matzoh ball soup and lox and bagel sandwich at Shades Delicatessen. I haven't found anything like it in all my years of expatriation, and I miss it terribly. EFR Exiled midst frogs and snails in Ile de France         Date: 13 Aug 2006 14:44:23 From: Dan Gregory Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: > Well, that seems to work! By positioning the watch under my _arse_, I > can get plasible readings for cadence, heart and speed. Pictures please - or am I being too cheeky? (Sorry couldn't resist it!) ;-) Dan Gregory       Date: 13 Aug 2006 07:19:52 From: Roger Zoul Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: :: Last night I won an Ebay auction for a Timex Bodylink with GPS and :: data recorder. I also found a supplier in Italy of the bike mount :: unit and sensor wire for the initial Sigma BC1600 computer that :: broke. So I will have a number of systems running concurrently and :: will be able to do a battery of cross-tests. Starship Flyzipper. :)         Date: 13 Aug 2006 13:58:17 From: Elisa Francesca Roselli Subject: Re: Big Disappointment: Polar S720i Heart Rate Monitor Roger Zoul wrote: > Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote: > Starship Flyzipper. :) I'll tell him - I think he'd like that. EFR Ile de France