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Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:18:33
From: JesseHattabaugh
Subject: Bike lifts on hills?
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I live in San Francisco and I ride my bike as much as I can, but there
are some routes that I just take the bus for because I know the hills
will kill me before I get there. While watching the cable cars I had an
idea. What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
pavement where a tire could be wedged and held. The biker would place
the tires in the groove then apply their weight forcing the tire into
the groove. The grove would carry them up the hill, where they would
dislodge the bike and roll down the other side. Seems kinda dangerous
but maybe if the clamp didn't clamp too hard it would be safe. As for
the energy required to keep it running, it would only have to go when
there was actually a bike in the grove, and it wouldn't take an
extremely powerful electric motor to pull a bicycle or two up a hill.
Are there any such systems in the world. Does anyone think this is a
bad idea, and why? I know that if I had an easy way to get up certain
hills I'd be much less apt to take the bus.
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 09:36:59
From: Nick
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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I tried to use the Trondheim one but you can't get your shoes to engage
with it if you're wearing cleated racing shoes. But as has been said
already it's slower than cycling up the hill. And I'm certain it loses
a lot of money. The hill it's on is about 25% if i remember rightly.
San Francisco has plenty of hills in the 20 to 30% range. If all of
them had lifts it would cost a bundle, the lift users would be
overtaken by other cyclists and, most importantly, the city might lose
its status as the only place in America where most people are not
overweight. Where else can you go to find American women without fat
asses?
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Date: 29 Sep 2006 17:22:16
From: mark
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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Nick wrote:
> I tried to use the Trondheim one but you can't get your shoes to engage
> with it if you're wearing cleated racing shoes. But as has been said
> already it's slower than cycling up the hill. And I'm certain it loses
> a lot of money. The hill it's on is about 25% if i remember rightly.
> San Francisco has plenty of hills in the 20 to 30% range. If all of
> them had lifts it would cost a bundle, the lift users would be
> overtaken by other cyclists and, most importantly, the city might lose
> its status as the only place in America where most people are not
> overweight. Where else can you go to find American women without fat
> asses?
>
Colorado? We're not 100% obesity free, but this state has one of the
lower obesity rates in the country. Plenty of female cyclists, too.
k
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Date: 25 Sep 2006 11:52:19
From: nash
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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> Are there any such systems in the world. Does anyone think this is a
In Holland they have had them from decades ago. I forget how they work
but you can probably search it.
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Date: 27 Sep 2006 20:22:13
From: Bård Brørs
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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"nash" <SMNate@gmail.com > skrev i melding
news:1159210338.943338.137870@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> Are there any such systems in the world. Does anyone think this is a
>
>
> In Holland they have had them from decades ago. I forget how they work
> but you can probably search it.
>
There is one in Trondheim, Norway. I have never used it (cycling up the hill
is just as fast for a reasonably fit person). See
http://www.trampe.no/english/. It is one of the town's tourist attractions.
Bård Brørs
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Date: 28 Sep 2006 14:35:41
From: Jeremy Parker
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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"Bård Brørs" <bbrors@broadpark.no > wrote in message
news:451ac1c4$1@news.broadpark.no...
> "nash" <SMNate@gmail.com> skrev i melding
> news:1159210338.943338.137870@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Are there any such systems in the world. Does anyone think this
>>> is a
>>
>>
>> In Holland they have had them from decades ago. I forget how they
>> work
>> but you can probably search it.
>>
> There is one in Trondheim, Norway. I have never used it (cycling up
> the hill is just as fast for a reasonably fit person). See
> http://www.trampe.no/english/. It is one of the town's tourist
> attractions.
>
> Bård Brørs
It's beginning to sound as if Holland has bigger hills than Norway
(or less fit cyclists)
Jeremy Parker
London UK
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 17:42:54
From: john
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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Jeremy Parker wrote:
[snip]
> Here in London UK there's a pedestrian tunnel at Greenwich, under
the
> Thames, with elevators at each end. Because it's a pedestrian
> tunnel, you have to walk your bike through it. If you break the
> rules, they will see you on the CCTV cameras. The punishment is that
> they will not let you on the elevator, and you will have to carry
> your bike all the way up the emergency stairs.
They actually have the manpower to monitor it 24/7, or even a majority
of the time?
-snip-
> Rotterdam has a bike tunnel, with escalators
Supposedly bike friendly Bay Area Rapid Transit (SF Bay Area) has
escalators, but bicycles are baned on them. The BART elevators rarely
work, or move @ the speed of a banana slug, or are blocks away from
where one is going. Fortunately, if one poaches a ride on one, there is
usually little consequence except for being yelled at by petty
bureaucrat BART employees, some times over the PA system.
Don't ask how one knows this, John
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Date: 23 Sep 2006 16:26:03
From: Jeremy Parker
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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"john" <jdrew96@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158972174.007336.271670@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jeremy Parker wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Here in London UK there's a pedestrian tunnel at Greenwich, under
> the
>> Thames, with elevators at each end. Because it's a pedestrian
>> tunnel, you have to walk your bike through it. If you break the
>> rules, they will see you on the CCTV cameras. The punishment is
>> that
>> they will not let you on the elevator, and you will have to carry
>> your bike all the way up the emergency stairs.
>
> They actually have the manpower to monitor it 24/7, or even a
> majority
> of the time?
The elevators (lifts in english english) have lift operators. They
are the ones monitoring the CCTV. I'm not sure what hours the
tunnel, or its lifts, are open. It probably isn't 24/7
>
> -snip-
>
>> Rotterdam has a bike tunnel, with escalators
>
> Supposedly bike friendly Bay Area Rapid Transit (SF Bay Area) has
> escalators, but bicycles are baned on them. The BART elevators
> rarely
> work, or move @ the speed of a banana slug, or are blocks away from
> where one is going. Fortunately, if one poaches a ride on one,
> there is
> usually little consequence except for being yelled at by petty
> bureaucrat BART employees, some times over the PA system.
Deep lines in London have escalators or lifts, and bikes are not
allowed on those. The three oldest lines (Metropolitan, District,
Circle) are close enough to the surface to have only stairs, and
bikes are allowed on those (outside rush hour). Suburban sections of
all lines are usually on the surface, and surface sections all allow
bikes outside the rush hour.
A bike fits inside a London "black cab" taxi. Cost is the same as
for a suitcase. I've never used that service, but it's nice to know
it's there in case of emergency.
River boats don't usually take bikes, I'm told, although there's talk
of getting that changed
Jeremy Parker
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 10:37:12
From: dgk
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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On 18 Sep 2006 17:18:33 -0700, "JesseHattabaugh"
<Jesse.Hattabaugh@gmail.com > wrote:
>I live in San Francisco and I ride my bike as much as I can, but there
>are some routes that I just take the bus for because I know the hills
>will kill me before I get there. While watching the cable cars I had an
>idea. What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
>get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
>sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
>pavement where a tire could be wedged and held. The biker would place
>the tires in the groove then apply their weight forcing the tire into
>the groove. The grove would carry them up the hill, where they would
>dislodge the bike and roll down the other side. Seems kinda dangerous
>but maybe if the clamp didn't clamp too hard it would be safe. As for
>the energy required to keep it running, it would only have to go when
>there was actually a bike in the grove, and it wouldn't take an
>extremely powerful electric motor to pull a bicycle or two up a hill.
>
>Are there any such systems in the world. Does anyone think this is a
>bad idea, and why? I know that if I had an easy way to get up certain
>hills I'd be much less apt to take the bus.
Great idea. When I first started commuting by bike, the 59th street
bridge (NYC) bike lane was under construction and we had to take a
special bus each way. So everyone would take their bikes on this bus
and off we'd go. I whined endlessly about the injustice. Until, that
is, they opened the bike lane. Now I whine that I don't have a bus to
take me over.
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 12:28:14
From:
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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Anyone else blown away by this? I definitely stand corrected. That
said, I feel like we're way too clumsy in this country for this kind of
thing not to have like a 72% fatality rate attached to it...
Brian Huntley wrote:
> Brian Huntley wrote:
> > JesseHattabaugh wrote:
> > > What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
> > > get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
> > > sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
> > > pavement where a tire could be wedged and held [snip]
> >
> > I seem to recall that Trollheim, Sweden, has such a thing, but it's a
> > narrow (15cm?) strip that moves along the sidewalk. It's designed to
> > take baby strollers up, too.
>
> I was wrong - it's in Trondheim, Norway and you put your foot on it
> while straddling the bike, vs putting the bike on it.
>
> http://www.trampe.no/english/
>
> And it seems to be by subscription:
>
> http://www.trondheim.com/content.ap?thisId=1117614134
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Date: 22 Sep 2006 03:56:21
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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In article <1158780494.304904.261720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
robert.haber@gmail.com wrote:
> Brian Huntley wrote:
> > Brian Huntley wrote:
> > > JesseHattabaugh wrote:
> > > > What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
> > > > get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
> > > > sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
> > > > pavement where a tire could be wedged and held [snip]
> > >
> > > I seem to recall that Trollheim, Sweden, has such a thing, but it's a
> > > narrow (15cm?) strip that moves along the sidewalk. It's designed to
> > > take baby strollers up, too.
> >
> > I was wrong - it's in Trondheim, Norway and you put your foot on it
> > while straddling the bike, vs putting the bike on it.
> >
> > http://www.trampe.no/english/
> >
> > And it seems to be by subscription:
> >
> > http://www.trondheim.com/content.ap?thisId=1117614134
As far as I can tell, aside from the cost of originally purchasing the
card (or the free rental of a visitor's card), the service is free. The
card's real purpose seems to be as a gatekeeper for this
quasi-experimental device.
> Anyone else blown away by this? I definitely stand corrected. That
> said, I feel like we're way too clumsy in this country for this kind of
> thing not to have like a 72% fatality rate attached to it...
Hum. No injuries after 220,000 rides.
It's an interesting idea, though I'm not sure it's obviously more
sensible than a conventional movator/moving walkway setup, unless it has
authentic improvements in cost or operating costs.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 15:11:53
From: Chris Y.F.N.W.
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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I can think of a few obsticals.
1) Convincing enough people to ride their bikes to make this feasable.
2) Convincing the city traffic commision that enough people ride their
bikes that this would be fesable (money wise).
3) Convincing the cities government that they should finance the Traffic
commision to build it.
4) Convincing the people that their tax dollars would be well spent by
the construction.
5) Convincing the people that riding their bikes will make the taxex
worth it.
6) See reason 1. ;-3)
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"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
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ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 12:43:11
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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JesseHattabaugh wrote:
> I live in San Francisco and I ride my bike as much as I can, but there
> are some routes that I just take the bus for because I know the hills
> will kill me before I get there. ...
..... and it wouldn't take an
> extremely powerful electric motor to pull a bicycle or two up a hill.
>
> Are there any such systems in the world. Does anyone think this is a
> bad idea, and why? I know that if I had an easy way to get up certain
> hills I'd be much less apt to take the bus.
>
Ummm, yea--it's called an "electric assist".
It's a motor and battery with a handlebar-throttle that you can hit at
any time, whenever when you want to. The electric setups are not good
for longer rides (over 20 miles) but for one hard hill, it seems like
just the thing. The ones that fit onto the front wheels are pretty easy
to put on just about any bike that has a larger front wheel and that
uses rim brakes (non-disk brakes that is).
There's even one (Bionx) that will run off the battery power going /up/
the hill, and that (if you press a button) will use the motor to help
re-charge the batteries while going /down/ the hill.
It's kinda a pricey setup, certainly.
But if it's built into your own bicycle, then it goes wherever you go....
~
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 19:40:24
From: mark
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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DougC wrote:
> Ummm, yea--it's called an "electric assist".
> It's a motor and battery with a handlebar-throttle that you can hit at
> any time, whenever when you want to. The electric setups are not good
> for longer rides (over 20 miles) but for one hard hill, it seems like
> just the thing. The ones that fit onto the front wheels are pretty easy
> to put on just about any bike that has a larger front wheel and that
> uses rim brakes (non-disk brakes that is).
>
> There's even one (Bionx) that will run off the battery power going /up/
> the hill, and that (if you press a button) will use the motor to help
> re-charge the batteries while going /down/ the hill.
> It's kinda a pricey setup, certainly.
> But if it's built into your own bicycle, then it goes wherever you go....
> ~
A bicycle tour company that I worked for experimented with these a few
years back. Seems the motor/battery didn't have enough power for any
significant hills, and the whole bike was so heavy that the clients
couldn't pedal the bike up any significant hills.
What's wrong with shifting to a lower gear and pedaling?
k
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 15:39:19
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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k wrote:
> DougC wrote:
>
> A bicycle tour company that I worked for experimented with these a few
> years back. Seems the motor/battery didn't have enough power for any
> significant hills, and the whole bike was so heavy that the clients
> couldn't pedal the bike up any significant hills.
I haven't owned or rode any electric system myself, but people who like
them say that's what they're good for. The more-expensive ones are said
to work way better than the cheaper ones--but the more-expensive ones
cost 4-5 times what the cheap ones do also.
I am putting together a gas-engine bicycle soon; I did not think that
any of the electrics had the endurance for the distances I would expect
to be able to use it on.
>
> What's wrong with shifting to a lower gear and pedaling?
>
> k
Well,,,, -if people think it's too hard, they will leave the bicycle at
home and drive the car instead.
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 06:21:55
From: Josh Hassol
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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Brian Huntley wrote:
> Brian Huntley wrote:
> > JesseHattabaugh wrote:
> > > What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
> > > get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
> > > sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
> > > pavement where a tire could be wedged and held [snip]
> >
> > I seem to recall that Trollheim, Sweden, has such a thing, but it's a
> > narrow (15cm?) strip that moves along the sidewalk. It's designed to
> > take baby strollers up, too.
>
> I was wrong - it's in Trondheim, Norway and you put your foot on it
> while straddling the bike, vs putting the bike on it.
>
> http://www.trampe.no/english/
>
> And it seems to be by subscription:
>
> http://www.trondheim.com/content.ap?thisId=1117614134
Ah, c'mon! That hill's not so steep ;-)
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 05:03:31
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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"JesseHattabaugh" <Jesse.Hattabaugh@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158625113.638721.64430@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>I live in San Francisco and I ride my bike as much as I can, but there
> are some routes that I just take the bus for because I know the hills
> will kill me before I get there. While watching the cable cars I had an
> idea. What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
> get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
> sidewalk, or escalator type thing.
Seattle has a couple of municipal elevators for peds and bikes. For example,
one starts at the waterfront and takes you up to Western Ave, about the
equivalent to the top of a four-story building. My husband used to load his
bike on that elevator as a part of his daily bike commute.
--
Warm Regards,
Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 15:52:46
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> "JesseHattabaugh" <Jesse.Hattabaugh@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1158625113.638721.64430@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>I live in San Francisco and I ride my bike as much as I can, but there
>> are some routes that I just take the bus for because I know the hills
>> will kill me before I get there. While watching the cable cars I had an
>> idea. What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
>> get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
>> sidewalk, or escalator type thing.
>
> Seattle has a couple of municipal elevators for peds and bikes. For example,
> one starts at the waterfront and takes you up to Western Ave, about the
> equivalent to the top of a four-story building. My husband used to load his
> bike on that elevator as a part of his daily bike commute.
I haven't gone up them with the bike too many times. But I do take
advantage of the fact they're there. Usually by parking at the bottom,
using the elevator to go up, going shopping at the ket, and then
descending and cycling off.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"2) Users don't know what they really want, but they know for
certain what they don't want."
- Manubay's Laws for Programmers
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 13:19:05
From: Jeremy Parker
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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"Claire Petersky" <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote
[snip]
> Seattle has a couple of municipal elevators for peds and bikes. For
example,
> one starts at the waterfront and takes you up to Western Ave, about
the
> equivalent to the top of a four-story building. My husband used to
load his
> bike on that elevator as a part of his daily bike commute.
[snip]
Here in London UK there's a pedestrian tunnel at Greenwich, under the
Thames, with elevators at each end. Because it's a pedestrian
tunnel, you have to walk your bike through it. If you break the
rules, they will see you on the CCTV cameras. The punishment is that
they will not let you on the elevator, and you will have to carry
your bike all the way up the emergency stairs. There's a footbridge
in Docklands, across one of the docks, reached by an elevator, that
we've run a couple of club rides across.
Rotterdam has a bike tunnel, with escalators
A well known mountain bike route in Norway is the service road, a
track really for the railway between Oslo and Bergen. A standard
excursion is to take your bike on the train and ride home, downhill.
Some cablecars in the Alps do much the same, and there are a number
of fairly urban cable cars and inclined planes round the world.
Does Hong Kong's Peak Tram take bikes? That would be neat.
Jeremy Parker
London
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 19:46:38
From: Andrew Price
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:19:05 +0100, "Jeremy Parker"
<JeremyParker@compuserve.com > wrote:
[---]
>Does Hong Kong's Peak Tram take bikes? That would be neat.
No - at least it didn't when I frequently used it, throughout the
1990s.
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 21:30:12
From: Brian Huntley
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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Brian Huntley wrote:
> JesseHattabaugh wrote:
> > What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
> > get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
> > sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
> > pavement where a tire could be wedged and held [snip]
>
> I seem to recall that Trollheim, Sweden, has such a thing, but it's a
> narrow (15cm?) strip that moves along the sidewalk. It's designed to
> take baby strollers up, too.
I was wrong - it's in Trondheim, Norway and you put your foot on it
while straddling the bike, vs putting the bike on it.
http://www.trampe.no/english/
And it seems to be by subscription:
http://www.trondheim.com/content.ap?thisId=1117614134
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Date: 21 Sep 2006 18:41:30
From: Tom The Great
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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On 18 Sep 2006 21:30:12 -0700, "Brian Huntley"
<brian_huntley@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>Brian Huntley wrote:
>> JesseHattabaugh wrote:
>> > What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
>> > get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
>> > sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
>> > pavement where a tire could be wedged and held [snip]
>>
>> I seem to recall that Trollheim, Sweden, has such a thing, but it's a
>> narrow (15cm?) strip that moves along the sidewalk. It's designed to
>> take baby strollers up, too.
>
>I was wrong - it's in Trondheim, Norway and you put your foot on it
>while straddling the bike, vs putting the bike on it.
>
>http://www.trampe.no/english/
>
>And it seems to be by subscription:
>
>http://www.trondheim.com/content.ap?thisId=1117614134
US lawyers would have a field day suing the first time a person got
hurt. :)
later,
tom @ www.NoCostAds.com
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 17:15:14
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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Brian Huntley <brian_huntley@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> Brian Huntley wrote:
>> JesseHattabaugh wrote:
>> > What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
>> > get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
>> > sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
>> > pavement where a tire could be wedged and held [snip]
>>
>> I seem to recall that Trollheim, Sweden, has such a thing, but it's a
>> narrow (15cm?) strip that moves along the sidewalk. It's designed to
>> take baby strollers up, too.
>
> I was wrong - it's in Trondheim, Norway and you put your foot on it
> while straddling the bike, vs putting the bike on it.
>
> http://www.trampe.no/english/
>
> And it seems to be by subscription:
>
> http://www.trondheim.com/content.ap?thisId=1117614134
And here's a video of it in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j1PgmMbug8
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"Some drink at the fountain of knowledge...
others just gargle."
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Date: 18 Sep 2006 17:39:37
From: Brian Huntley
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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JesseHattabaugh wrote:
> What if there were some sort of llift system to help bicyclists
> get over the hills without exhausting themselves like a moving
> sidewalk, or escalator type thing. I'm imagining a groove cut in the
> pavement where a tire could be wedged and held [snip]
I seem to recall that Trollheim, Sweden, has such a thing, but it's a
narrow (15cm?) strip that moves along the sidewalk. It's designed to
take baby strollers up, too.
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 03:32:35
From: Leo Lichtman
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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A "cable-car" like system for bikes would be horribly expensive, and little
used. The system I use costs nothing: 1.) If possible I choose a route
that I can cope with. 2.) If I can't ride the hill, I get off and push the
bike.
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 00:31:41
From: sally
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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In article <1158625113.638721.64430@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
JesseHattabaugh <Jesse.Hattabaugh@gmail.com > wrote:
>Are there any such systems in the world. Does anyone think this is a
>bad idea, and why? I know that if I had an easy way to get up certain
>hills I'd be much less apt to take the bus.
How much would this system cost? How many people would benefit?
Much cheaper would be too put bike racks on city busses, which
I believe San Francisco already has done.
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Date: 19 Sep 2006 00:51:37
From: Artoi
Subject: Re: Bike lifts on hills?
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In article <eendpd$jdk$1@blue.rahul.net >, caspam@doj.ca.gov (sally)
wrote:
> In article <1158625113.638721.64430@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> JesseHattabaugh <Jesse.Hattabaugh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Are there any such systems in the world. Does anyone think this is a
> >bad idea, and why? I know that if I had an easy way to get up certain
> >hills I'd be much less apt to take the bus.
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> How much would this system cost? How many people would benefit?
> Much cheaper would be too put bike racks on city busses, which
> I believe San Francisco already has done.
I agree, from a practical, cost efficiency and environment point of
view, it's not realistic at the present time.
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