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Date: 05 Feb 2007 11:00:47
From: Bob Dole
Subject: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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Bush, in an interesting reversal for a Texas oilman who denies the
threat of global warming, is proposing money in the budget aimed at
helping localities set up congestion fees:
<http://online.wsj.com/public/article/
SB117064116425197878-3gh193OAWWXI884HsKVhoV3M78U_20070307.html?
mod=tff_main_tff_top >
This is in the "free" part of the Wall Street Journal website.
Basically, these would be toll roads in which the pricing is variable
by time.
There's reference in the article to London's experience with this sort
of thing, and perhaps some of our UK brethren here would care to
comment on any impact on bicycling in the center of London.
Bob
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 01:06:32
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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In article <GKfyh.16278$zH1.5751@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net >,
Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net > writes:
> We all, as a group need to totally ignore the cross posts, which
> I would do if this damned Thunder bird had a groups allowed filter.
You don't need software to do your ignoring for you.
Just hit the "k [article
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:34:59
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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In article <gUeyh.16269$zH1.7938@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net >,
Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net > writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>> "Its'" is as improper as hers', theirs' his', or ours'.
>
> So you are saying that "Its'" is correct,
Certainly not.
> or worst case that "theirs'"
> is incorrect and "their's" is correct or what??
"Theirs'" and "their's" are both incorrect,
as are "his'" and "hi's", or "our's" and "our's",
or "her's" and "hers'", or "your's" and "yours'".
There consistently is no apostrophe in /any/
possessive pronoun.
I still like your "There should at least be an intelligence
test if we are going to put him in charge of a whole country
and it's military" because when taken literally, it sounds
like it refers to your president's newfangled Dep't of Homeland
Security (or whatever it's called.)
So, don't worry about it. UseNet is more about
casual conversation than composing formal papers.
cheers,
Tom
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 08:04:54
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <gUeyh.16269$zH1.7938@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>,
> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>> Tom Keats wrote:
>
>>> "Its'" is as improper as hers', theirs' his', or ours'.
>> So you are saying that "Its'" is correct,
>
> Certainly not.
>
>> or worst case that "theirs'"
>> is incorrect and "their's" is correct or what??
>
> "Theirs'" and "their's" are both incorrect,
> as are "his'" and "hi's", or "our's" and "our's",
> or "her's" and "hers'", or "your's" and "yours'".
>
> There consistently is no apostrophe in /any/
> possessive pronoun.
I am only a product of my education, some of which may be flawed.
It is a subject which should be debated endlessly so I am not.
>
> I still like your "There should at least be an intelligence
> test if we are going to put him in charge of a whole country
> and it's military" because when taken literally, it sounds
> like it refers to your president's newfangled Dep't of Homeland
> Security (or whatever it's called.)
>
> So, don't worry about it. UseNet is more about
> casual conversation than composing formal papers.
I am with you. if I wanted to compose for magazine publication then I
would not be typing this stuff on line and whatever pops into my head,
which you know is often against the grain, but keeps things lively at
times. We all, as a group need to totally ignore the cross posts, which
I would do if this damned Thunder bird had a groups allowed filter.
Bill Baka
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 17:57:20
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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In article <Gg8yh.16716$ji1.2676@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net >,
Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net > writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <GITxh.59151$wc5.34722@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>>
>>> There should at least be an intelligence test if we are going to put him
>>> in charge of a whole country and it's military.
>>
>> Malapropism by punctuation! I like it!
>>
>>
> The placing of the apostrophe is out of place to me, but Webster's
> dictionary claim it should be there.
I think maybe you should blow on that page, in case a poppy seed
or some such thing that looks like an apostrophe fell on there.
> To me it should have been
> "its' military", using the apostrophe as a possessive term. I think the
> language has been bent since I went to school in the 50' and 60's.
> Given enough dumb people to make a majority the dictionary just rolls
> over and accepts its' own fate. Note proper use of the apostrophe in the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> last sentence.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Its'" is as improper as hers', theirs' his', or ours'.
cheers,
Tom
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 07:06:52
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <Gg8yh.16716$ji1.2676@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>> Tom Keats wrote:
>>> In article <GITxh.59151$wc5.34722@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> There should at least be an intelligence test if we are going to put him
>>>> in charge of a whole country and it's military.
>>> Malapropism by punctuation! I like it!
>>>
>>>
>> The placing of the apostrophe is out of place to me, but Webster's
>> dictionary claim it should be there.
>
> I think maybe you should blow on that page, in case a poppy seed
> or some such thing that looks like an apostrophe fell on there.
English (American) gram is a touchy subject, especially on that point.
>
>> To me it should have been
>> "its' military", using the apostrophe as a possessive term. I think the
>> language has been bent since I went to school in the 50' and 60's.
>> Given enough dumb people to make a majority the dictionary just rolls
>> over and accepts its' own fate. Note proper use of the apostrophe in the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> last sentence.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> "Its'" is as improper as hers', theirs' his', or ours'.
So you are saying that "Its'" is correct, or worst case that "theirs'"
is incorrect and "their's" is correct or what??
Bill Baka
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
>
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 21:31:15
From: Jeremy Parker
Subject: London Congestion Fees (was Timed toll roads)
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"Bob Dole" <tsdev@mailcity.com > wrote
[snip]
>
> Basically, these would be toll roads in which the pricing is
> variable
> by time.
>
> There's reference in the article to London's experience with this
> sort
> of thing, and perhaps some of our UK brethren here would care to
> comment on any impact on bicycling in the center of London.
Greetings from London
Cycling is going up in London, and more in "Central London", where
the charge is, than in "Inner London" or "Outer London" which don't
have a charge What is really going up, though, is motorcycling,
which doesn't pay the Congestion Charge. Motorcycles, unlike cars,
don't have a number plate in front, so there's no way to figure out
who to bill. Motorcycle parking is beginning to get difficult
The increase is probably due to a number of things:
* Osama bin Laden and the 7/7 tube bombings
* Bob Crow, leader of the Transit Union, and his strikes
* Global warming - the tube tunnels are too constricted to allow air
conditioning on trains. The new buses don't have air conditioning or
opening windows, although painting the roofs white is helping to keep
them a bit cooler.
* big reconstruction projects on the tube, leading to many shutdowns
on weekends, and some reduced operation on weekdays.
* the free bike maps - it takes 19 maps to cover all of Greater
London. Cyclists know about them, although the average non cycling
Londoner doesn't seem to. There's also the Journey Planner on the
transport for London web site, which you can set to choose bike as
the only acceptable mode. However, to my mind that's got worse, not
better, with its latest modifications
* the "London Cycle Network" of facilities. I've been known to
upset a few people by saying that this is mostly designed by idiots,
for idiots, and then upset them more by refusing to apologise. My
borough is largely a facility free zone, and cycling is going up here
too.
* Money to subsidise bike training (including for adults). Money
for bike parking in schools
* some - not very much really - bike related celebrations. This
year's Tour de France (in July) will start in London. - Prologue
past the Houses of Parliament, Buckingham Palace, the Royal Parks
etc., first proper stage, out from London to the Channel ferry port
at Dover.
There has been too little study into which of these is actually
significant. I suspect that is because those could ask the
questions think they won't want to hear the answers. The majority of
money, effort, and controversy, is going into facilities.
Jeremy Parker
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 10:15:26
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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On Feb 5, 10:44 pm, Bill Baka <b...@comcast.net > wrote:
> Shrub is too nice. My sister and I refer to the 'weed'
'weed' brings certain other things to mind; I don't think that is
really appropriate either.
Austin (no, and I didn't inhale either)
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:36:13
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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AustinMN wrote:
> On Feb 5, 10:44 pm, Bill Baka <b...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Shrub is too nice. My sister and I refer to the 'weed'
>
> 'weed' brings certain other things to mind; I don't think that is
> really appropriate either.
>
> Austin (no, and I didn't inhale either)
>
He is more related to the Mexican 'junk' weed than righteous 'Thai stick'.
Bill Baka
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Date: 05 Feb 2007 21:24:00
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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In article <GITxh.59151$wc5.34722@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net >,
Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net > writes:
> There should at least be an intelligence test if we are going to put him
> in charge of a whole country and it's military.
Malapropism by punctuation! I like it!
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Above address is just a spam midden.
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:35:02
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <GITxh.59151$wc5.34722@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>
>> There should at least be an intelligence test if we are going to put him
>> in charge of a whole country and it's military.
>
> Malapropism by punctuation! I like it!
>
>
The placing of the apostrophe is out of place to me, but Webster's
dictionary claim it should be there. To me it should have been
"its' military", using the apostrophe as a possessive term. I think the
language has been bent since I went to school in the 50' and 60's.
Given enough dumb people to make a majority the dictionary just rolls
over and accepts its' own fate. Note proper use of the apostrophe in the
last sentence.
Bill Baka
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 23:34:02
From: Mark Hickey
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
>Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <GITxh.59151$wc5.34722@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>>
>>> There should at least be an intelligence test if we are going to put him
>>> in charge of a whole country and it's military.
>>
>> Malapropism by punctuation! I like it!
>>
>The placing of the apostrophe is out of place to me, but Webster's
>dictionary claim it should be there. To me it should have been
>"its' military", using the apostrophe as a possessive term. I think the
>language has been bent since I went to school in the 50' and 60's.
>Given enough dumb people to make a majority the dictionary just rolls
>over and accepts its' own fate. Note proper use of the apostrophe in the
>last sentence.
I tried to sell that one in the second or third grade - didn't fly
then either. "Its" IS possessive without the apostrophe. No one ever
said the rules have to makes sense.
Then again, that's in the universe I live in - perhaps the laws of
physics AND punctuation are different in yours. ;-)
k Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
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Date: 07 Feb 2007 07:09:55
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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k Hickey wrote:
> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Tom Keats wrote:
>>> In article <GITxh.59151$wc5.34722@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
>>> Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> There should at least be an intelligence test if we are going to put him
>>>> in charge of a whole country and it's military.
>>> Malapropism by punctuation! I like it!
>>>
>> The placing of the apostrophe is out of place to me, but Webster's
>> dictionary claim it should be there. To me it should have been
>> "its' military", using the apostrophe as a possessive term. I think the
>> language has been bent since I went to school in the 50' and 60's.
>> Given enough dumb people to make a majority the dictionary just rolls
>> over and accepts its' own fate. Note proper use of the apostrophe in the
>> last sentence.
>
> I tried to sell that one in the second or third grade - didn't fly
> then either. "Its" IS possessive without the apostrophe. No one ever
> said the rules have to makes sense.
Like I mentioned, I learned the possessive form in grade school in
Illinois in the 50's, and at that time I didn't question the teacher too
much. I have researched it and got about 90% going to the "It's" approach.
>
> Then again, that's in the universe I live in - perhaps the laws of
> physics AND punctuation are different in yours. ;-)
Nah,
I fell today so the laws of gravity and turning on loose gravel are the
same.
Bill Baka
>
> k Hickey
> Habanero Cycles
> http://www.habcycles.com
> Home of the $795 ti frame
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Date: 05 Feb 2007 20:32:43
From: Jym Dyer
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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=v= Very interesting. Unfortunately, the Shrub Administration
has a long history of employing progressive-ish phrases to mean
the exact opposite. "Hydrogen power" has been invoked twice
in its State of the Union Addresses, each time coupled with a
budget providing corporate welfare for car companies and fossil
fuels. A hefty chunk of the "renewable energy" budget has gone
to the nuclear industry (which, as always, needs hefty chunks
of taxpayer subsidy to prop it up).
=v= Follow the money: he doesn't propose much for this.
=v= The Shrub's party purports to be fiscally conservative,
but has just brokered the largest bond debt in the history
of California, spun as the "Highway Safety, Traffic Reduction,
Air Quality, and Port Security Bond Act of 2006." Most of
the money is slated for bigger and faster highways, induced
traffic, more air pollution, and increased oil demand.
=v= I fully expect the Shrub's handlers, spinners, and
cobranders to come up with a Federal Highway Motherhood and
Apple Pie, Congestion Pricing, Ecotopianist, and Womblike
Security Act of 2007 that will build more highways and take
away more civil rights. k my words.
<_Jym_ >
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Date: 06 Feb 2007 04:44:22
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Bush: Congestion Fees (Timed toll roads)
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Jym Dyer wrote:
> =v= Very interesting. Unfortunately, the Shrub Administration
> has a long history of employing progressive-ish phrases to mean
> the exact opposite. "Hydrogen power" has been invoked twice
> in its State of the Union Addresses, each time coupled with a
> budget providing corporate welfare for car companies and fossil
> fuels. A hefty chunk of the "renewable energy" budget has gone
> to the nuclear industry (which, as always, needs hefty chunks
> of taxpayer subsidy to prop it up).
>
> =v= Follow the money: he doesn't propose much for this.
>
> =v= The Shrub's party purports to be fiscally conservative,
> but has just brokered the largest bond debt in the history
> of California, spun as the "Highway Safety, Traffic Reduction,
> Air Quality, and Port Security Bond Act of 2006." Most of
> the money is slated for bigger and faster highways, induced
> traffic, more air pollution, and increased oil demand.
>
> =v= I fully expect the Shrub's handlers, spinners, and
> cobranders to come up with a Federal Highway Motherhood and
> Apple Pie, Congestion Pricing, Ecotopianist, and Womblike
> Security Act of 2007 that will build more highways and take
> away more civil rights. k my words.
> <_Jym_>
>
Shrub is too nice. My sister and I refer to the 'weed' who would be
dictator if he had enough brains to figure out how.
The guy is dimwitted until it is time for a snappy comeback. He must
spend most of his time memorizing his lines.
There should at least be an intelligence test if we are going to put him
in charge of a whole country and it's military.
Bill Baka
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