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Date: 02 Jul 2007 02:04:04
From: Daniel Norton
Subject: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and Traffic
Law Section 1233:
=A7 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any bicycle,
coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled, or
toy
vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
being
operated upon a roadway.
(i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
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Date: 09 Jul 2007 08:09:26
From: amakyonin
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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On Jul 4, 11:50 am, Dennis Ferguson <dcfergu...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> I don't think bicycles are "vehicles" under New York law (they are
> "wheeled non-motorized means of conveyance"), so the restriction on
> attaching yourself to a vehicle doesn't say anything about attaching
> yourself to a bicycle.
Bicycles *are* classified as vehicles in NY. So are animal drawn carts
and carriages. Bicyclists are bound to obey all parts of the vehicle
code that can be applied to bicycles.
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Date: 08 Jul 2007 18:17:30
From: Brent Hugh
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:04:04 +0000, Daniel Norton wrote:
> How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and
Traffic
> Law Section 1233:
> =A7 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any
bicycle,
> coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled,
or
> toy
> vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any
vehicle
> being
> operated upon a roadway.
> (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
(i.e., by holding onto the handlebars)
(The normal way to skitch a ride is by "clinging" to the other vehicle
by holding onto it. So according to the OP's interpretation you can't
hold onto your bike, either.)
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 10:30:31
From: It's Chris
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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Forget the clips (or clipless). By attaching themselve" the law meand
you cannot hold onto the handlebars, sit astride the saddle, push the
pedals...
IOW, you cannot ride your bike. You have to walk alongside it moving it
via telekinesis. Because to touch it in any way would mean you would be
attached to the moving vehicle..
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Date: 06 Jul 2007 04:17:25
From: Leo Lichtman
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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"It's Chris" wrote: (clip) IOW, you cannot ride your bike. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I KNEW this thread was going to turn out useful. As a law-abiding citizen I
am putting my six bikes up for sale. Well, I guess I can keep my mountain
bikes as long as I stay off-road. e-mail me for descriptions and prices.
NO--WAIT! Am I allowed to sell things that are illegal to use?
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 23:43:04
From: VBadJuJu
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com > wrote:
>How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and Traffic
>Law Section 1233:
>
>§ 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any bicycle,
> coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled, or
>toy
> vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
>being
> operated upon a roadway.
>
>(i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
'...shall attach the *same* or himself or herself' is saying you cant
attach you or your thing listed to a vehicle. Doesnt say anything
about attaching yourself to the skates, sled or bike.
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 14:42:39
From: Dave Vandervies
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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In article <jfto83pnkbno1cmf132nh955sbsbf4cpni@4ax.com >,
VBadJuJu <none@ > wrote:
>Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and Traffic
>>Law Section 1233:
>>
>>§ 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any bicycle,
>> coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled, or
>>toy
>> vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
>>being
>> operated upon a roadway.
>>
>>(i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
>
>'...shall attach the *same* or himself or herself' is saying you cant
>attach you or your thing listed to a vehicle. Doesnt say anything
>about attaching yourself to the skates, sled or bike.
A bicycle IS a vehicle, at least in some jurisdictions.
(It apparently isn't in the OP's, but it is here, and we have similar
wording in the Highway Traffic Act.)
dave
--
Dave Vandervies dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Calling them "sheep" is an insult to the stupid animals in the pasture.
--David P. Murphy in the scary devil monastery
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 05:12:48
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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VBadJuJu wrote:
:: Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com > wrote:
::
::: How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and
::: Traffic Law Section 1233:
:::
::: § 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any
::: bicycle, coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board,
::: sled, or toy
::: vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
::: being
::: operated upon a roadway.
:::
::: (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
::
:: '...shall attach the *same* or himself or herself' is saying you cant
:: attach you or your thing listed to a vehicle. Doesnt say anything
:: about attaching yourself to the skates, sled or bike.
Sometimes, newsgroup folks enjoy trying to find nits to pick. :)
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 14:46:19
From: RBrickston
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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In article <138pdgmaa3undd5@news.supernews.com >, rogerzoul2@hotmail.com=20
says...
> VBadJuJu wrote:
> :: Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com> wrote:
> ::
> ::: How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and
> ::: Traffic Law Section 1233:
> :::
> ::: =A7 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any
> ::: bicycle, coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board,
> ::: sled, or toy
> ::: vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
> ::: being
> ::: operated upon a roadway.
> :::
> ::: (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
> ::
> :: '...shall attach the *same* or himself or herself' is saying you cant
> :: attach you or your thing listed to a vehicle. Doesnt say anything
> :: about attaching yourself to the skates, sled or bike.
>=20
> Sometimes, newsgroup folks enjoy trying to find nits to pick. :)=20
>=20
Dumbest thread of the year award.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 06:05:21
From: DI
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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"Daniel Norton" <danorton@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1183341844.083595.322820@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and Traffic
Law Section 1233:
§ 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any bicycle,
coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled, or
toy
vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
being
operated upon a roadway.
(i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
I don't think it's being read correctly, but if so I guess it would also
apply to seat belts?
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 17:52:54
From: Meggan via CyclingCrowd.com
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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That's a good point. Seat belts and car seats are a violation then....
DI wrote:
>I don't think it's being read correctly, but if so I guess it would also
>apply to seat belts?
--
Message posted via http://www.cyclingcrowd.com
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 18:02:41
From: Dave Vandervies
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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>DI wrote:
>
>>I don't think it's being read correctly, but if so I guess it would also
>>apply to seat belts?
In article <74ade5893dce7@uwe >, Meggan via CyclingCrowd.com <u28853@uwe> wrote:
>That's a good point. Seat belts and car seats are a violation then....
Only if the seat belts and car seats are used by somebody "riding upon
any bicycle, coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled,
or toy vehicle" to attach him/her/itself to a vehicle (which excludes
almost everything (or everything, depending on the jurisdiction) on
that list). In particular, I don't see cars, which is where seat belts
and car seats are normally used, on that list.
dave
(reading for comprehension since 1985)
--
Dave Vandervies dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Actually, the temperature rarely gets above 40. It's actually pleasant
on a dry day. Unfortunately, there's no such thing here as a dry day.
--Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz in the scary devil monastery
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 09:25:44
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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DI wrote:
:: "Daniel Norton" <danorton@gmail.com > wrote in message
:: news:1183341844.083595.322820@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
:: How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and
:: Traffic Law Section 1233:
::
:: § 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any
:: bicycle, coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board,
:: sled, or
:: toy
:: vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
:: being
:: operated upon a roadway.
::
:: (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
::
:: I don't think it's being read correctly, but if so I guess it would
:: also apply to seat belts?
When you get on a bike and close your hands around the grips, you're
attached. Obviously, that's not illegal.
Skates attach to the person wearing them. That's not illegal.
Obviously, the statement implies being attached to another vehicle.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 00:32:26
From: Dave Vandervies
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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In article <138hv6rbrjd7k26@news.supernews.com >,
Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote:
>DI wrote:
>:: "Daniel Norton" <danorton@gmail.com> wrote in message
>:: news:1183341844.083595.322820@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>:: How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and
>:: Traffic Law Section 1233:
>::
>:: § 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any
>:: bicycle, coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board,
>:: sled, or
>:: toy
>:: vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
>:: being
>:: operated upon a roadway.
>::
>:: (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
>::
>:: I don't think it's being read correctly, but if so I guess it would
>:: also apply to seat belts?
If it applies to clipless pedals, it would also apply to seat belts
on bikes. (Note that drivers or passengers in motor vehicles are not
included in the list of people to whom this section applies.)
>When you get on a bike and close your hands around the grips, you're
>attached. Obviously, that's not illegal.
Well, you never know...
>Skates attach to the person wearing them. That's not illegal.
Skates aren't vehicles. Bicycles are, at least in some jurisdictions.
>Obviously, the statement implies being attached to another vehicle.
Likely, but that's not unambiguously obvious from the way it's worded.
dave
--
Dave Vandervies dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Then again, now that I've made all the effort to push these little buttons,
maybe it's worth it, just for the free Usenet grammar checker.
--Randy the Random in the scary devil monastery
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 01:07:14
From: RBrickston
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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In article <f6c5eq$uc3$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca >,=20
dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca says...
> In article <138hv6rbrjd7k26@news.supernews.com>,
> Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >DI wrote:
> >:: "Daniel Norton" <danorton@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >:: news:1183341844.083595.322820@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >:: How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and
> >:: Traffic Law Section 1233:
> >::
> >:: =A7 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any
> >:: bicycle, coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board,
> >:: sled, or
> >:: toy
> >:: vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
> >:: being
> >:: operated upon a roadway.
> >::
> >:: (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
> >::
> >:: I don't think it's being read correctly, but if so I guess it would
> >:: also apply to seat belts?
>=20
> If it applies to clipless pedals, it would also apply to seat belts
> on bikes. (Note that drivers or passengers in motor vehicles are not
> included in the list of people to whom this section applies.)
>=20
>=20
> >When you get on a bike and close your hands around the grips, you're=20
> >attached. Obviously, that's not illegal.
>=20
> Well, you never know...
>=20
>=20
> >Skates attach to the person wearing them. That's not illegal.
>=20
> Skates aren't vehicles. Bicycles are, at least in some jurisdictions.
>=20
>=20
> >Obviously, the statement implies being attached to another vehicle.=20
>=20
> Likely, but that's not unambiguously obvious from the way it's worded.
>=20
Yes it is, the legislature assumes the normal person would apply logic.
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 20:44:04
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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In article <xnZhi.18082$0M5.12092@newsfe14.lga >,
Luigi de Guzman <luigi12081@cox.net > writes:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:04:04 +0000, Daniel Norton wrote:
>
>> How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and Traffic
>> Law Section 1233:
>>
>> § 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any bicycle,
>> coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled, or
>> toy
>> vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
>> being
>> operated upon a roadway.
>>
>> (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
>
> You can't hitch yourself onto a passing truck, really, is what that means
> to say.
Back in the long-ago days of my youth we used to call
that "bumper shining". If one had good rapport with
the coal/sawdust, bread, or milk delivery truck driver,
one could hitch up to the left side of the truck and
be recognizable in their outside mirror, and get a
boost back to school after lunch if running late --
as long as we didn't overly exploit the favour, or
act goofy while doing so.
In British Columbia it is also unlawful to ride no-hands.
It's also unlawful to ride double. Some of my earliest
childhood, pre-school memories involve being ridden
home at night from my grandmother's place, double on
my older brother's bike. That was when I learned to
love the "feel" of being on a bicycle, and also became
enamoured with astronomy -- how I enjoyed looking up in
wonder at the stars during those homebound rides! I'm
sure it was much better than being cooped up in some
stoopid trailer.
At first I'd sit right on the handlebar. Then I got bigger,
and sat sidesaddle on the top tube. Then I got my own bike
and was free to get myself around.
I think the great ease with which I learned to ride boils down
to my having ridden double as a passenger on my older brother's
bike -- the experience taught me about balance, and not fearing
bicycles.
I still enjoy starry night rides. Except I've got my own bike.
No passengers (usually).
cheers,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 04:24:59
From: Daniel Norton
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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Okay, I figured there was a reasonable and well-defined explanation
(but that's not always the case). There's an artful definition of
"vehicle" in that same article of the law that doesn't include
bicycles:
=A7 159. Vehicle. Every device in, upon, or by which any person or
property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway,
except devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon
stationary rails or tracks.
So you can legally grab onto a light rail car from your bicycle.
--
Daniel
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 15:26:54
From: Luigi de Guzman
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:35:42 -0400, It's Chris wrote:
>
> Hey, I think we've found a way around AMTRAK's bicycle regulations here!
Nice try, but AMTRAK is heavy (standard-gauge) rail.
--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 10:35:42
From: It's Chris
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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danorton@gmail.com (Daniel=A0Norton) Stated:
>Okay, I figured there was a reasonable
>and well-defined explanation (but that's
>not always the case). There's an artful
>definition of "vehicle" in that same article
>of the law that doesn't include bicycles:
>
>=A7 159. Vehicle. =A0 Every device in, upon,
>or by which any person or property is or
>may be transported or drawn upon a
>highway, except devices moved by
>human power or used exclusively upon
>stationary rails or tracks.
>So you can legally grab onto a light rail
>car from your bicycle.
>--
>Daniel
Hey, I think we've found a way around AMTRAK's bicycle regulations here!
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 04:38:26
From: Dave Vandervies
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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In article <1183350299.840751.211690@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com > wrote:
>Okay, I figured there was a reasonable and well-defined explanation
>(but that's not always the case). There's an artful definition of
>"vehicle" in that same article of the law that doesn't include
>bicycles:
>
>§ 159. Vehicle. Every device in, upon, or by which any person or
>property is or may be transported or drawn upon a highway,
>except devices moved by human power or used exclusively upon
>stationary rails or tracks.
Ontario doesn't have that, so clipless pedals are illegal here if the
OP's reading is correct:
From the definitions in section 1(1):
--------
vehicle includes a motor vehicle, trailer, traction engine, farm
tractor, road-building machine, bicycle and any vehicle drawn,
propelled or driven by any kind of power, including muscular power,
but does not include a motorized snow vehicle or a street car;
(véhicule)
--------
Section 178(1), which I referred to but didn't quote in a previous reply
to this thread:
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Bicycle riders, etc., clinging to vehicles
178. (1) A person riding upon a motor assisted bicycle, a
bicycle, a coaster, roller skates, skis, a toboggan, a sled or a toy
vehicle shall not attach it, them, himself or herself to a vehicle or
street car on a roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 178 (1).
--------
>So you can legally grab onto a light rail car from your bicycle.
They've covered that one here, though.
I don't think motorized snow vehicles can legally be driven on the road,
but if I'm wrong about that the winter cyclists can still get a tow
from them.
dave
(that's an even better one than "reflective material on the forks" for
if I ever get the chance to ask an idiot driver what section of the HTA
I'm in violation of: "I know which one, but it's not the one I think
you think it is.")
--
Dave Vandervies dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
The ultimate language has a slightly different legal construct:
do what I should mean
--Michael Rubenstein in comp.lang.c
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 10:38:02
From: It's Chris
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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All kidding aside, the resolution to all this is simple:
Add one word; "other", before "vehicle" in all cases.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 04:17:37
From: Daniel Norton
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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On Jul 1, 11:05 pm, "OzCableguy" <ozcable...@NOSPAMhotmail.com > wrote:
> It doesn't say you can't attach your bike to your body. It says while on a
> bike/skates etc, you can't be towed by another vehicle being operated upon a
> roadway. Your interpretation would make seat belts illegal.
Sorry, but I don't know where you're reading. What I posted clearly
says "attach" and doesn't specifically restrict it to towing. Yes, it
seems to me that a seat belt on a bicycle actually would be illegal
according to this law.
The second paragraph of this same section 1233 seems to reinforce the
attached-pedal prohibition:
2. No person shall ride on or attach himself to the outside of
any vehicle being operated upon a roadway.
Here are the laws online:
http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS
Select "VAT Vehicle & Traffic" on that page, then "Article 34 - (1230
- 1241) OPERATION OF BICYCLES AND PLAY DEVICES" on the next page.
--
Daniel
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 15:50:25
From: Dennis Ferguson
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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On 2007-07-02, Daniel Norton <danorton@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 11:05 pm, "OzCableguy" <ozcable...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>> It doesn't say you can't attach your bike to your body. It says while on a
>> bike/skates etc, you can't be towed by another vehicle being operated upon a
>> roadway. Your interpretation would make seat belts illegal.
>
> Sorry, but I don't know where you're reading. What I posted clearly
> says "attach" and doesn't specifically restrict it to towing. Yes, it
> seems to me that a seat belt on a bicycle actually would be illegal
> according to this law.
>
> The second paragraph of this same section 1233 seems to reinforce the
> attached-pedal prohibition:
>
> 2. No person shall ride on or attach himself to the outside of
> any vehicle being operated upon a roadway.
>
> Here are the laws online:
>
> http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS
>
> Select "VAT Vehicle & Traffic" on that page, then "Article 34 - (1230
> - 1241) OPERATION OF BICYCLES AND PLAY DEVICES" on the next page.
I don't think bicycles are "vehicles" under New York law (they are
"wheeled non-motorized means of conveyance"), so the restriction on
attaching yourself to a vehicle doesn't say anything about attaching
yourself to a bicycle.
Dennis Ferguson
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 06:24:20
From: Leo Lichtman
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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I'm not a lawyer, but I think I know this much. If a citation were ever
issued for this "violation," the court would take into account the obvious
intent of the law--which is that you are not permitted to hold onto another
vehicle and be towed. Judges don't like people wasting their time with dumb
cases. I can only imagine what they would say to the officer for writing
such a ticket.
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 23:47:59
From: Zen Cohen
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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"Leo Lichtman" <l.lichtman@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:oS0ii.260535$p47.101399@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> I'm not a lawyer, but I think I know this much. If a citation were ever
> issued for this "violation," the court would take into account the obvious
> intent of the law--which is that you are not permitted to hold onto
> another vehicle and be towed.
I'm a lawyer and you're correct that a court normally would (or should) take
the intent of the law into account. In Texas, and probably many other
states, the legislature has enacted laws on how its laws should be
construed. Go to this link http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/gv.toc.htm
and look at sections 311.021 and 311.023 for some examples.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 04:05:40
From: OzCableguy
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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"Daniel Norton" <danorton@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1183341844.083595.322820@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and Traffic
Law Section 1233:
§ 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any bicycle,
coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled, or
toy
vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
being
operated upon a roadway.
(i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
It doesn't say you can't attach your bike to your body. It says while on a
bike/skates etc, you can't be towed by another vehicle being operated upon a
roadway. Your interpretation would make seat belts illegal.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 02:26:37
From: Luigi de Guzman
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:04:04 +0000, Daniel Norton wrote:
> How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and Traffic
> Law Section 1233:
>
> § 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any bicycle,
> coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled, or
> toy
> vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
> being
> operated upon a roadway.
>
> (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
You can't hitch yourself onto a passing truck, really, is what that means
to say. I can see that, logically, if the bicycle is a vehicle on the
roadway, then yes, you could argue that being clipped-in would violate the
statute.
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Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 03:27:15
From: Dave Vandervies
Subject: Re: Clip and Clipless Pedals Illegal on New York State Roadways!?
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In article <xnZhi.18082$0M5.12092@newsfe14.lga >,
Luigi de Guzman <luigi12081@cox.net > wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:04:04 +0000, Daniel Norton wrote:
>
>> How do clip and clipless pedals jibe with New York Vehicle and Traffic
>> Law Section 1233:
>>
>> § 1233. Clinging to vehicles. 1. No person riding upon any bicycle,
>> coaster, in-line skates, roller skates, skate board, sled, or
>> toy
>> vehicle shall attach the same or himself or herself to any vehicle
>> being
>> operated upon a roadway.
>>
>> (i.e. you can't attach your bike to your body)
>
>You can't hitch yourself onto a passing truck, really, is what that means
>to say. I can see that, logically, if the bicycle is a vehicle on the
>roadway, then yes, you could argue that being clipped-in would violate the
>statute.
Interesting. Ontario's highway traffic act says pretty much the same
thing (section 178 (1)), and the OP's interpretation never occurred to
me, but it does seem like it could be taken to mean that.
The next subsection is also interesting for what it DOESN'T say:
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Bicycle passengers
(2) No person riding on a bicycle designed for carrying one
person only shall carry any other person thereon. R.S.O. 1990,
c. H.8, s. 178 (2).
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But if you have a bicycle designed for carrying two people, there's no
legal restriction on how many people you can (try to) carry on it.
dave
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