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Date: 20 Mar 2007 23:50:43
From: Gooserider
Subject: Clunking sound when I brake?
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When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking sound.
The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair guide) says this
is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
Mike
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 19:33:23
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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In article <v_SdneiEgu-HZp_bnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com >,
Bill <bbaka@comcast.net > writes:
>> It also helps to invest in a Park Tool HCW-5
>> instead of trying to tighten it by sticking a
>> screwdriver into one of the lockring notches,
>> and hammering the screwdriver.
> Park seems to have tools for everything. The last 'adjustment' I made
> involved a screwdriver and hammer,
I figured as much. BTDT myself. But I find using the
proper tool gives more biofeedback as to what's going on.
> but I may yet buy a full set of Park
> tools for all my bikes.
Naw, just get 'em as you need 'em. The HCW-5 lockring tool,
HCW-6 combo 32mm headset/15mm pedal wrench, a crank puller/crank
nut remover, a HyperGlide freewheel remover, two of each: 13/14mm,
15/16mm, 17/18mm cone wrenches[*], and red, black & green spoke
wrenches are a good start. The 8/10mm and 9/11mm spanners are
okay for field service, but they're so thin they tend to chew
hex-nut corners. A nice little metric socket set will serve
better in the home shop. Maybe get a torque handle that the
sockets fit, and stow it, when not in use, nicely wrapped in a
lightly oiled muslin cloth, in a fancy wooden box with a sliding
lid, that once housed a bottle of expensive sippin' liquor.
cheers,
Tom
[*] better yet are old-style single-ended cone wrenches
with beefier handles.
--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 19:10:23
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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On 22, 7:41 pm, k Hickey <m...@habcycles.com > wrote:
> Bill <b...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >Not really intended to be a lecture, but that seems to be the way things
> >work (or not). None of my bikes has a double nut locking system for the
> >headset so they are always needing a hand tweak.
>
> Just out of curiosity, what kind of headsets DO you have on your
> bikes? If it's threadless it shouldn't have any nuts - if it's
> threaded it has to have two.
>
With a little investigation, I think you'll find there are plenty of
nuts to go around in this case. ;-)
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 10:21:31
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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In article <MxxMh.50202$zU1.15728@pd7urf1no >,
"nash" <zwepytzkehillc9@jetable.net > writes:
> I also have bottom brackets getting loose
> even with the locking nut.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> would that not mean you need a replacement because the ball bearings may be
> too worn.
> Or something is too worn.
There's a knack to putting the lockring on.
As you tighten it, it also turns the adjustable cup.
The trick is to simultaneously get both to the
appropriate tightness.
It also helps to invest in a Park Tool HCW-5
instead of trying to tighten it by sticking a
screwdriver into one of the lockring notches,
and hammering the screwdriver.
cheers,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 14:54:34
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <MxxMh.50202$zU1.15728@pd7urf1no>,
> "nash" <zwepytzkehillc9@jetable.net> writes:
>> I also have bottom brackets getting loose
>> even with the locking nut.
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> would that not mean you need a replacement because the ball bearings may be
>> too worn.
>> Or something is too worn.
>
> There's a knack to putting the lockring on.
> As you tighten it, it also turns the adjustable cup.
> The trick is to simultaneously get both to the
> appropriate tightness.
>
> It also helps to invest in a Park Tool HCW-5
> instead of trying to tighten it by sticking a
> screwdriver into one of the lockring notches,
> and hammering the screwdriver.
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
Park seems to have tools for everything. The last 'adjustment' I made
involved a screwdriver and hammer, but I may yet buy a full set of Park
tools for all my bikes.
Bill Baka
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 03:11:31
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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On 22, 6:44 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me> wrote in message
>
> Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! Yes, that was it. After you suggested
> this I checked the Park Tool website and they also described the problem as
> a loose headset. I followed their directions and now the problem is gone.
> Thanks, Bill.
Damn. Going home right now to check my head set. Good thread.
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 07:26:36
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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On 20, 11:37 pm, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me > wrote:
> Gooserider wrote:
> > When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking
> > sound. The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair
> > guide) says this is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
>
> Loose headset.
That's certainly worth a look. Especially if there is an absence of
grabbing or roughness in the braking action (as caused by an uneven
seam, etc.).
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 05:36:42
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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On 20, 9:50 pm, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking sound.
> The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair guide) says this
> is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
>
> Mike
Brake hitting the rim seam, if it has one? If so, a little emery paper
to make it smooth-
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 07:15:06
From: di
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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"Gooserider" <Gooserider@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message
news:4600ab8a$0$27051$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking
> sound. The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair guide)
> says this is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
>
> Mike
>
I had this once and it was the joint where the rim is joined, slight
difference in the surface.
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 04:34:07
From:
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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On 21, 1:50 pm, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking sound.
> The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair guide) says this
> is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
>
> Mike
Is there a dent in the wheel? You might not be able to see it easily,
but feel it with your finger while spinning the wheel.
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Date: 20 Mar 2007 21:37:49
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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Gooserider wrote:
> When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking
> sound. The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair
> guide) says this is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
Loose headset.
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 18:44:37
From: Gooserider
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote in message
news:4600c4af$0$5815$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Gooserider wrote:
>> When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking
>> sound. The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair
>> guide) says this is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
>
> Loose headset.
Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! Yes, that was it. After you suggested
this I checked the Park Tool website and they also described the problem as
a loose headset. I followed their directions and now the problem is gone.
Thanks, Bill.
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 17:07:22
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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Gooserider wrote:
> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
> news:4600c4af$0$5815$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Gooserider wrote:
>>> When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking
>>> sound. The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair
>>> guide) says this is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
>>
>> Loose headset.
>
> Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! Yes, that was it. After you
> suggested this I checked the Park Tool website and they also
> described the problem as a loose headset. I followed their directions
> and now the problem is gone. Thanks, Bill.
I always say "loose headset". It's my thing. :-)
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 18:12:42
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Gooserider wrote:
>> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>> news:4600c4af$0$5815$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Loose headset.
>> Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! Yes, that was it. After you
>> suggested this I checked the Park Tool website and they also
>> described the problem as a loose headset. I followed their directions
>> and now the problem is gone. Thanks, Bill.
>
> I always say "loose headset". It's my thing. :-)
>
>
Sure is.
I would have thought that most if not all riders who post to this group
would do a safety check before setting out.
This is supposed to be the anti-car, safety plus group, right?
I won't fly in a small plane without doing the walk around check
because, really, who wants a wing falling off, and you're going "I
thought I checked everything". Out of the 3 bikes I use a lot there is
usually something a little bit loose maybe once a week.
Maintenance is best done before the failure.
Bill Baka
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 19:15:09
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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Bill wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Gooserider wrote:
>>> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>>> news:4600c4af$0$5815$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> Loose headset.
>>> Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! Yes, that was it. After you
>>> suggested this I checked the Park Tool website and they also
>>> described the problem as a loose headset. I followed their
>>> directions and now the problem is gone. Thanks, Bill.
>>
>> I always say "loose headset". It's my thing. :-)
>>
>>
> Sure is.
> I would have thought that most if not all riders who post to this
> group would do a safety check before setting out.
> This is supposed to be the anti-car, safety plus group, right?
> I won't fly in a small plane without doing the walk around check
> because, really, who wants a wing falling off, and you're going "I
> thought I checked everything". Out of the 3 bikes I use a lot there is
> usually something a little bit loose maybe once a week.
> Maintenance is best done before the failure.
> Bill Baka
Nice lecture, Iron Bill! LOL (Hint: a slightly loose headset isn't really
a safety issue. As in this case, it will announce its presence to an alert
rider/owner in plenty of time to be fixed prior to causing any damage and
/then/ perhaps a little danger.)
Bill "I just hate clunks, myself" S.
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 06:16:22
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> Gooserider wrote:
>>>> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>>>> news:4600c4af$0$5815$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> Loose headset.
>>>> Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! Yes, that was it. After you
>>>> suggested this I checked the Park Tool website and they also
>>>> described the problem as a loose headset. I followed their
>>>> directions and now the problem is gone. Thanks, Bill.
>>> I always say "loose headset". It's my thing. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> Sure is.
>> I would have thought that most if not all riders who post to this
>> group would do a safety check before setting out.
>> This is supposed to be the anti-car, safety plus group, right?
>> I won't fly in a small plane without doing the walk around check
>> because, really, who wants a wing falling off, and you're going "I
>> thought I checked everything". Out of the 3 bikes I use a lot there is
>> usually something a little bit loose maybe once a week.
>> Maintenance is best done before the failure.
>> Bill Baka
>
> Nice lecture, Iron Bill! LOL (Hint: a slightly loose headset isn't really
> a safety issue. As in this case, it will announce its presence to an alert
> rider/owner in plenty of time to be fixed prior to causing any damage and
> /then/ perhaps a little danger.)
>
> Bill "I just hate clunks, myself" S.
>
>
Not really intended to be a lecture, but that seems to be the way things
work (or not). None of my bikes has a double nut locking system for the
headset so they are always needing a hand tweak. It would be nice to
have a bike with a proper nut locking mechanism. The wheel bearings are
usually set and forget, but I also have bottom brackets getting loose
even with the locking nut.
You know Murphy's law about whatever can go wrong, will, and at the
worst possible time.
Bill Baka
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 18:41:13
From: Mark Hickey
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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Bill <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
>Not really intended to be a lecture, but that seems to be the way things
>work (or not). None of my bikes has a double nut locking system for the
>headset so they are always needing a hand tweak.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of headsets DO you have on your
bikes? If it's threadless it shouldn't have any nuts - if it's
threaded it has to have two.
k "please no Lance jokes" Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 19:47:01
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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k Hickey wrote:
> Bill <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Not really intended to be a lecture, but that seems to be the way things
>> work (or not). None of my bikes has a double nut locking system for the
>> headset so they are always needing a hand tweak.
>
> Just out of curiosity, what kind of headsets DO you have on your
> bikes? If it's threadless it shouldn't have any nuts - if it's
> threaded it has to have two.
>
> k "please no Lance jokes" Hickey
> Habanero Cycles
> http://www.habcycles.com
> Home of the $795 ti frame
I'm not sure we are on the same page but I just came in from the garage
and all 3 of my mountain bikes have a nut or bolt to raise or lower the
bars, and they all have the same generic bearing adjust. If there was a
standard thread I could buy some locking nuts and with a fair amount of
work put them on, but, darn, that's working and not riding.
Bill Baka
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 15:46:52
From: nash
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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I also have bottom brackets getting loose
even with the locking nut.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
would that not mean you need a replacement because the ball bearings may be
too worn.
Or something is too worn.
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 14:52:17
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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nash wrote:
> I also have bottom brackets getting loose
> even with the locking nut.
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> would that not mean you need a replacement because the ball bearings may be
> too worn.
> Or something is too worn.
>
>
It could be another cheap bike thing but even my Pacific Nomad aluminum
bike has bottom bracket issues. I had the bottom replaced on my tried
and true Huffy and it has been the best of all of them since then.
I think it is obvious there are quality issues here.
Bill Baka
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 17:14:53
From: di
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:v_SdnemEgu8NZ5_bnZ2dnUVZ_s7inZ2d@comcast.com...
> nash wrote:
>> I also have bottom brackets getting loose
>> even with the locking nut.
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> would that not mean you need a replacement because the ball bearings may
>> be too worn.
>> Or something is too worn.
> It could be another cheap bike thing but even my Pacific Nomad aluminum
> bike has bottom bracket issues. I had the bottom replaced on my tried and
> true Huffy and it has been the best of all of them since then.
> I think it is obvious there are quality issues here.
> Bill Baka
A Pacific & Huffy with quality issues?,,, Nooooooooo waaaay!
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 13:48:56
From:
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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On Thu, 22 2007 06:16:22 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>Not really intended to be a lecture, but that seems to be the way things
>work (or not). None of my bikes has a double nut locking system for the
>headset so they are always needing a hand tweak. It would be nice to
>have a bike with a proper nut locking mechanism.
They used to make 'em:
http://www.blackbirdsf.org/magistroni/images/mod253-263.jpg
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 18:42:10
From: Mark Hickey
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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jtaylor@NOSPAM.hfx.andara.com wrote:
>On Thu, 22 2007 06:16:22 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Not really intended to be a lecture, but that seems to be the way things
>>work (or not). None of my bikes has a double nut locking system for the
>>headset so they are always needing a hand tweak. It would be nice to
>>have a bike with a proper nut locking mechanism.
>
>They used to make 'em:
>
>http://www.blackbirdsf.org/magistroni/images/mod253-263.jpg
The only down side is that it weighs more than one of my frames. ;-)
k Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 14:49:32
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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jtaylor@NOSPAM.hfx.andara.com wrote:
> On Thu, 22 2007 06:16:22 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Not really intended to be a lecture, but that seems to be the way things
>> work (or not). None of my bikes has a double nut locking system for the
>> headset so they are always needing a hand tweak. It would be nice to
>> have a bike with a proper nut locking mechanism.
>
> They used to make 'em:
>
> http://www.blackbirdsf.org/magistroni/images/mod253-263.jpg
>
That is exactly what I was talking about, but how many riders are
mechanically oriented enough to know about this??? I suspect that just
like seat post diameters there will be different threads on different
bikes. It might just be worthwhile to buy a grab bag of different kinds
if the chance arises.
Bill Baka
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 13:22:35
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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Bill wrote:
> jtaylor@NOSPAM.hfx.andara.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 2007 06:16:22 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not really intended to be a lecture, but that seems to be the way
>>> things work (or not). None of my bikes has a double nut locking
>>> system for the headset so they are always needing a hand tweak. It
>>> would be nice to have a bike with a proper nut locking mechanism.
>>
>> They used to make 'em:
>>
>> http://www.blackbirdsf.org/magistroni/images/mod253-263.jpg
>>
> That is exactly what I was talking about, but how many riders are
> mechanically oriented enough to know about this??? I suspect that just
> like seat post diameters there will be different threads on different
> bikes. It might just be worthwhile to buy a grab bag of different kinds
> if the chance arises.
> Bill Baka
That usually happens to me on a Saturday morning ride. I find stuff I
can't pass, but can't carry on a bike, so home it is and get the car.
Technically oriented is a good thing. I heard several countries in
Europe that required the ability to change a flat tire, and some other
stuff or no driver's license.
Bill Baka
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 04:00:28
From: nash
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote in message
news:4601f4bc$0$24769$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Bill wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> Gooserider wrote:
>>>> "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me> wrote in message
>>>> news:4600c4af$0$5815$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> Loose headset.
>>>> Ding ding ding ding! We have a winner! Yes, that was it. After you
>>>> suggested this I checked the Park Tool website and they also
>>>> described the problem as a loose headset. I followed their
>>>> directions and now the problem is gone. Thanks, Bill.
>>>
>>> I always say "loose headset". It's my thing. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> Sure is.
>> I would have thought that most if not all riders who post to this
>> group would do a safety check before setting out.
>> This is supposed to be the anti-car, safety plus group, right?
>> I won't fly in a small plane without doing the walk around check
>> because, really, who wants a wing falling off, and you're going "I
>> thought I checked everything". Out of the 3 bikes I use a lot there is
>> usually something a little bit loose maybe once a week.
>> Maintenance is best done before the failure.
>> Bill Baka
>
> Nice lecture, Iron Bill! LOL (Hint: a slightly loose headset isn't
> really a safety issue. As in this case, it will announce its presence to
> an alert rider/owner in plenty of time to be fixed prior to causing any
> damage and /then/ perhaps a little danger.)
>
> Bill "I just hate clunks, myself" S.
Use to happen on my 10 speed Nishiki but no bike since. I just tightened it
with my hands and kept riding.
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Date: 20 Mar 2007 21:21:15
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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On 21, 11:50 am, "Gooserider" <Gooseri...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking sound.
> The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair guide) says this
> is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
>
> Mike
My guess, uneven braking surface.
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 04:14:20
From: nash
Subject: Re: Clunking sound when I brake?
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"Gooserider" <Gooserider@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message
news:4600ab8a$0$27051$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> When I apply my front brake firmly, there's an intermittent clunking
> sound. The wheel looks to be true. My repair book(Bicycling repair guide)
> says this is a dent in the wheel. Any other ideas?
>
> Mike
Are your screws loose. No joke intended
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