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Date: 29 Oct 2006 14:04:34
From: Bob Burns
Subject: Cold weather
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I'm trying to extend my riding into the cold weather this year. Two
problems- what to do about pants and shoes? I can deal with the upper
body and hands with XC ski gear, but I'm having a hard time finding
pants with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes. I use toe
clips and an old pair of leather tennis shoes which have smooth soles,
but even with wool socks my feet get cold.
TIA!
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"Every day is Saturday when you're retired."
Bob Burns
Mill Hall PA
(email is a spamtrap)
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 06:05:17
From: Buck
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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Bob Burns wrote:
> I'm trying to extend my riding into the cold weather this year. Two
> problems- what to do about pants and shoes? I can deal with the upper
> body and hands with XC ski gear, but I'm having a hard time finding
> pants with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes. I use toe
> clips and an old pair of leather tennis shoes which have smooth soles,
> but even with wool socks my feet get cold.
I find a pair of sweatpants is usually sufficient as long as the
weather is dry. Once it gets wet, add a pair of rain pants on top.
The venerable toe clip strap is an effective means for tying up pants
to keep them from the chain. There are also reflective velcro bands and
spring steel bands which to the same. I've used all with equal success.
I just keep losing the silly things during the summer months.
A thin layer of plastic over a good pair of socks is usually sufficient
for my toes. My favorite wind-stopper is a wal-t bag. Just cut to
shape or wrap around the ankle and tie for an emergency wet-weather
footbag.
-Buck
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 16:48:57
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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"Buck" <bicyclebuck@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162217117.570640.18780@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> I find a pair of sweatpants is usually sufficient as long as the
> weather is dry. Once it gets wet, add a pair of rain pants on top.
If we're talking about cotton fleece sweatpants, I think they're wretched to
cycle in. They get really soggy when wet. So, if you have unexpected rain,
or you sweat under your rain pants, you're pretty uncomfortable.
I live in the PNW, where it rains plenty, and I don't own any rain pants.
They don't stretch and bend where you need them to, and they're not
breathable. I'm fine with a pair of thermal tights over the bike shorts --
they're warm, breatheable, flexible and they dry quickly. And they don't
have to cost an arm and a leg -- the Sierra Trading Post catalog had a few
for very reasonable prices recently. They weren't cycling specific, but I'm
willing to forgo a logo for a third of the price of some of the cycling
brands.
--
Warm Regards,
Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
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Date: 31 Oct 2006 13:30:20
From: H M Leary
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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In article <Z1q1h.1379$LI4.547@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
"Claire Petersky" <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
snip
> I live in the PNW, where it rains plenty, and I don't own any rain pants.
> They don't stretch and bend where you need them to, and they're not
> breathable. I'm fine with a pair of thermal tights over the bike shorts --
> they're warm, breatheable, flexible and they dry quickly. And they don't
> have to cost an arm and a leg -- the Sierra Trading Post catalog had a few
> for very reasonable prices recently. They weren't cycling specific, but I'm
> willing to forgo a logo for a third of the price of some of the cycling
> brands.
Dear Claire:
Do you mean you won't pay $$$ for a SWOOSH?
Ata girl!
HAND
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 08:40:38
From: Chris Neary
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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>My favorite wind-stopper is a wal-t bag. Just cut to
>shape or wrap around the ankle and tie for an emergency wet-weather
>footbag.
I once rode a wet, cold week-long tour of the Canadian Rockies relying on
plastic shopping bag booties. They worked surprisingly well.
An unexpected bonus was not having to cut a hole for my cleats - just step
down and the SPD cleat engaged the pedal with the bag intact.
Chris Neary
diabloridr@tcsn.net
"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 20:41:34
From: Brian Huntley
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
> Normal tights work fine for me into the mid 30s F. Below that, I have
> some Bellwether Windfront tights, which seem like they'd be warm enough to
> below 0 F. Supposedly they're Iditasport favorites.
I used to use "rain pants" over tights to get an air-insulation space,
but they got chewed up by the chain. Last year, I went with thin
underwear under tights (and over bike shorts for extra groin
protection.) Worked great. I'm thinking of getting a couple pair of
"silk weight" longjohns this year - last years were very thin cotton,
and didn't wear well.
Minus 20C was as cold as I remember. That's about 0F.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 22:23:06
From: Matt O'Toole
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 14:04:34 +0000, Bob Burns wrote:
> I'm trying to extend my riding into the cold weather this year. Two
> problems- what to do about pants and shoes? I can deal with the upper
> body and hands with XC ski gear, but I'm having a hard time finding
> pants with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes.
Normal tights work fine for me into the mid 30s F. Below that, I have
some Bellwether Windfront tights, which seem like they'd be warm enough to
below 0 F. Supposedly they're Iditasport favorites.
> I use toe
> clips and an old pair of leather tennis shoes which have smooth soles,
> but even with wool socks my feet get cold.
All wool socks are not equal! Look for densely woven, fitted ones (right
and left) from mountaineering stores. These are fine for me with no
booties in mesh shoes to the 30s F. A little plastic wrap around my toes
keeps the wind out. Below the mid-30s F you'll probably want booties.
Most people put them on well above that, but they don't have my good
socks.
Finally, try www.icebike.com
Matt O.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 08:38:40
From: Eric
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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Bob Burns wrote:
> I'm trying to extend my riding into the cold weather this year. Two
> problems- what to do about pants and shoes? I can deal with the upper
> body and hands with XC ski gear, but I'm having a hard time finding
> pants with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes. I use toe
> clips and an old pair of leather tennis shoes which have smooth soles,
> but even with wool socks my feet get cold.
>
> TIA!
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Every day is Saturday when you're retired."
>
> Bob Burns
> Mill Hall PA
> (email is a spamtrap)
When I rode in <50 degree weather, I just used ski pants. They are
plenty warm, good at keeping the wind out, and have zippers/elastic
bands at the ankles. Don't recall ever having them get eaten by the
chain. The only problem was they weren't tall enough on the back, so
sometimes my back would be exposed. Bibs may help.
I found that shoe covers worked ok, but usually after an hour ride my
feet would have enough. Make sure you wear a hat so your body doesn't
send extra blood to your head. Ski socks have extra padding on the
front of the calf and bottom of the foot, that helps on warmer days.
However, since you're buying all this ski stuff, it is much easier to
ski instead. :)
How is central PA these days? I-99 done yet?
Eric (formerly from State College)
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 12:34:51
From: Chris Neary
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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>I found that shoe covers worked ok, but usually after an hour ride my
>feet would have enough.
Typical neoprene booties are good for wet weather, but tend to cause cold,
sweaty feet since there is no way for the sweat to escape.
I'm more partial to either:
1) Neoprene toe covers - keep the wind out of your shoes, but are still
comfortable up into the 70's. Below about 40F they are of limited usefulness
for me.
2) Lycra shoe covers. Again, just a windblock for your feet, work down to
about 30F for me. Plus, you get to look like a pro time trialist!
Both items are easy to stow in a jersey pocket if the temperatures really go
up, like it does around my house. Left for a ride yesterday at 30F, by the
time I got home it was about 90F.
Good luck,
Chris Neary
diabloridr@tcsn.net
"Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:11:07
From: Pat in TX
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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> Both items are easy to stow in a jersey pocket if the temperatures really
> go
> up, like it does around my house. Left for a ride yesterday at 30F, by
> the
> time I got home it was about 90F.
>
> Good luck,
>
>
> Chris Neary
You in Texas?
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 16:26:56
From: Chris Neary
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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>You in Texas?
>
California.
Chris Neary
diabloridr@tcsn.net
"Cycle tracks will abound in Utopia" - H.G. Wells
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 23:53:47
From: Solvang Cyclist
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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Chris Neary <diabloridr@tcsn.net > wrote in
news:v16dk2hg9un6huh39q9ifogknlgk50v4h0@4ax.com:
>>You in Texas?
>>
>
> California.
>
>
> Chris Neary
> diabloridr@tcsn.net
>
> "Cycle tracks will abound in Utopia" - H.G. Wells
Southern Ca? I went for a ride with some friends in Thousand Oaks yesterday
and it was about the same.
I'm doing the Solvang Prelude next weekend and I hope it's not so hot.
Cheers,
David
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 20:07:51
From: Pat in TX
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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> >You in Texas?
>>
>
> California.
Oh. Well, our weather has been like that lately, too.
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 17:57:51
From: nash
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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Gortex socks
"Chris Neary" <diabloridr@tcsn.net > wrote in message
news:rn3ak2d6dsmk2kqj1apjlc692u1ejva6ck@4ax.com...
> >I found that shoe covers worked ok, but usually after an hour ride my
>>feet would have enough.
>
> Typical neoprene booties are good for wet weather, but tend to cause cold,
> sweaty feet since there is no way for the sweat to escape.
>
> I'm more partial to either:
>
> 1) Neoprene toe covers - keep the wind out of your shoes, but are still
> comfortable up into the 70's. Below about 40F they are of limited
> usefulness
> for me.
>
> 2) Lycra shoe covers. Again, just a windblock for your feet, work down to
> about 30F for me. Plus, you get to look like a pro time trialist!
>
> Both items are easy to stow in a jersey pocket if the temperatures really
> go
> up, like it does around my house. Left for a ride yesterday at 30F, by
> the
> time I got home it was about 90F.
>
> Good luck,
>
>
> Chris Neary
> diabloridr@tcsn.net
>
> "Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
> you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
> loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 18:09:29
From: Bob Burns
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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Eric wrote:
> Bob Burns wrote:
>> I'm trying to extend my riding into the cold weather this year. Two
>> problems- what to do about pants and shoes? I can deal with the upper
>> body and hands with XC ski gear, but I'm having a hard time finding
>> pants with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes. I use toe
>> clips and an old pair of leather tennis shoes which have smooth soles,
>> but even with wool socks my feet get cold.
>>
>> TIA!
>> --
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> "Every day is Saturday when you're retired."
>>
>> Bob Burns
>> Mill Hall PA
>> (email is a spamtrap)
>
> When I rode in <50 degree weather, I just used ski pants. They are
> plenty warm, good at keeping the wind out, and have zippers/elastic
> bands at the ankles. Don't recall ever having them get eaten by the
> chain. The only problem was they weren't tall enough on the back, so
> sometimes my back would be exposed. Bibs may help.
>
> I found that shoe covers worked ok, but usually after an hour ride my
> feet would have enough. Make sure you wear a hat so your body doesn't
> send extra blood to your head. Ski socks have extra padding on the
> front of the calf and bottom of the foot, that helps on warmer days.
>
> However, since you're buying all this ski stuff, it is much easier to
> ski instead. :)
>
> How is central PA these days? I-99 done yet?
>
> Eric (formerly from State College)
>
Yeah, I'll ski if we get any snow this year!
I99 is a mess, and not done. They had acid drainage from some of the
rocks they had moved, which turned out to be pyrites and now there is a
big hoo-ha about what to do with the rock. Of course, nobody wants it,
and Penn-Dot is working on a way to cover it in place.
--
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"Every day is Saturday when you're retired."
Bob Burns
Mill Hall PA
(email is a spamtrap)
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 18:08:55
From: Bob Burns
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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Eric wrote:
> Bob Burns wrote:
>> I'm trying to extend my riding into the cold weather this year. Two
>> problems- what to do about pants and shoes? I can deal with the upper
>> body and hands with XC ski gear, but I'm having a hard time finding
>> pants with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes. I use toe
>> clips and an old pair of leather tennis shoes which have smooth soles,
>> but even with wool socks my feet get cold.
>>
>> TIA!
>> --
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> "Every day is Saturday when you're retired."
>>
>> Bob Burns
>> Mill Hall PA
>> (email is a spamtrap)
>
> When I rode in <50 degree weather, I just used ski pants. They are
> plenty warm, good at keeping the wind out, and have zippers/elastic
> bands at the ankles. Don't recall ever having them get eaten by the
> chain. The only problem was they weren't tall enough on the back, so
> sometimes my back would be exposed. Bibs may help.
>
> I found that shoe covers worked ok, but usually after an hour ride my
> feet would have enough. Make sure you wear a hat so your body doesn't
> send extra blood to your head. Ski socks have extra padding on the
> front of the calf and bottom of the foot, that helps on warmer days.
>
> However, since you're buying all this ski stuff, it is much easier to
> ski instead. :)
>
> How is central PA these days? I-99 done yet?
>
> Eric (formerly from State College)
>
Yeah, I'll ski if we get any snow this year!
I99 is a mess, and not done. They had acid drainage from some of the
rocks they had moved, which turned out to be pyrites and now there is a
big hoo-ha about what to do with the rick. Of course, nobody wants it,
and Penn-Dot is working on a way to cover it in place.
--
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"Every day is Saturday when you're retired."
Bob Burns
Mill Hall PA
(email is a spamtrap)
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 10:35:01
From: Earl Bollinger
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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"Bob Burns" <treborburns@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:Sx21h.1301$zf.653@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> I'm trying to extend my riding into the cold weather this year. Two
> problems- what to do about pants and shoes? I can deal with the upper
> body and hands with XC ski gear, but I'm having a hard time finding pants
> with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes. I use toe clips
> and an old pair of leather tennis shoes which have smooth soles, but even
> with wool socks my feet get cold.
>
> TIA!
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Every day is Saturday when you're retired."
>
> Bob Burns
> Mill Hall PA
> (email is a spamtrap)
Use duct tape or a wide rubber band or a length of velcro if you want to be
fancy.
Usually everyone opts for things like knee warmers, leg warmers, an under
garment of some sort, tights or bib-tights with and without the inner poly
fleece micro-fibre layer.
The various types of Windstopper fabrics on the front of the tights are good
too.
I really like the latest ASSOS cold weather riding outfit, but I am afraid
that if it fit me I would look more like a M&M in them than what the
advertisements depict.
Usually I suggest toe covers, or booties for the shoes, and taking a thin
foam piece from a egg carton or carry out container, and slip it into your
shoes to help insulate the soles.
Usually a lot of heat is lost out through the bottom of the shoes via the
sole and cleats to the pedals, especially if you use metal cleats like the
SPD pedals use.
:-)
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Date: 30 Oct 2006 00:32:44
From: Ron Wallenfang
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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"Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net > I'm having a hard time finding
pants
>> with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes.
I wear blue jeans that I don't mind getting a bit greasy, and keep the front
gear in high so my pants don't hang up on the big gear.
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Date: 29 Oct 2006 22:30:16
From: Matt O'Toole
Subject: Re: Cold weather
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On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:32:44 +0000, Ron Wallenfang wrote:
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> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> I'm having a hard time finding
> pants
>>> with tapered legs (to stay out of the chain) and shoes.
>
> I wear blue jeans that I don't mind getting a bit greasy, and keep the front
> gear in high so my pants don't hang up on the big gear.
I do too for riding around town, at least in dry weather. Classic
Levi's 501 jeans, the shrink to fit kind with the button fly, are slim cut
with narrow cuffs, perfect for cycling.
Matt O.
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