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Date: 29 Aug 2007 07:32:28
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain bikers. He
is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not stupid like most
of them are.
When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in natural
areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing anyway? I was
actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my salvation. I am an atheist
and have no religion whatsoever. But I find my religion in nature. After
all, that is where we came from and that is what we shall return to.
When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply worship
nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of the
natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all those years. I
would encounter a few other hikers of course and a few rare horse parties.
But never any cyclists.
The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts. We
Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect it and
preserve it at all costs.
Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing but a
playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of thousands of
miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their thing. I do not ever
want them on a hiking trail.
Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker and a
backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine their
activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of hiking trails.
Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I consider him
the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain bikers do to natural
areas and to the human spirit. We do not want to end up in a world where
there are no natural areas left for our spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can
understand this.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this post
since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how wrongheaded.
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:54:17
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in nature and the wilderness
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:32:28 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain bikers. He
>is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not stupid like most
>of them are.
>
>When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in natural
>areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing anyway? I was
>actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my salvation. I am an atheist
>and have no religion whatsoever. But I find my religion in nature. After
>all, that is where we came from and that is what we shall return to.
>
>When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply worship
>nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of the
>natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all those years. I
>would encounter a few other hikers of course and a few rare horse parties.
>But never any cyclists.
>
>The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
>wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts. We
>Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect it and
>preserve it at all costs.
>
>Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing but a
>playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of thousands of
>miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their thing. I do not ever
>want them on a hiking trail.
>
>Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker and a
>backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine their
>activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of hiking trails.
>
>Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I consider him
>the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain bikers do to natural
>areas and to the human spirit. We do not want to end up in a world where
>there are no natural areas left for our spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can
>understand this.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this post
>since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how wrongheaded.
"Pearls before swine" is the phrase that comes to mind. Keep up the
good work, Ed! God (that would be me, in this context) knows you are
right! :)
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 17:52:04
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in
news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
> stupid like most of them are.
I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
Chris Foster
>
> When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in
> natural areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing
> anyway? I was actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my
> salvation. I am an atheist and have no religion whatsoever. But I find
> my religion in nature. After all, that is where we came from and that
> is what we shall return to.
>
> When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply worship
> nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of
> the natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all
> those years. I would encounter a few other hikers of course and a few
> rare horse parties. But never any cyclists.
>
> The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
> wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts. We
> Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect it
> and preserve it at all costs.
>
> Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing
> but a playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of
> thousands of miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their
> thing. I do not ever want them on a hiking trail.
>
> Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker and
> a backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine
> their activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of
> hiking trails.
>
> Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I
> consider him the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain
> bikers do to natural areas and to the human spirit. We do not want to
> end up in a world where there are no natural areas left for our
> spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can understand this.
Don't call me Shirley !
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this
> post since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how
> wrongheaded.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:56:50
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On 29 Aug 2007 17:52:04 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
>> stupid like most of them are.
>
>I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
So you are just a mountain-biking defender?
> Chris Foster
>
>>
>> When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in
>> natural areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing
>> anyway? I was actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my
>> salvation. I am an atheist and have no religion whatsoever. But I find
>> my religion in nature. After all, that is where we came from and that
>> is what we shall return to.
>>
>> When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply worship
>> nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of
>> the natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all
>> those years. I would encounter a few other hikers of course and a few
>> rare horse parties. But never any cyclists.
>>
>> The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
>> wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts. We
>> Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect it
>> and preserve it at all costs.
>>
>> Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing
>> but a playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of
>> thousands of miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their
>> thing. I do not ever want them on a hiking trail.
>>
>> Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker and
>> a backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine
>> their activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of
>> hiking trails.
>>
>> Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I
>> consider him the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain
>> bikers do to natural areas and to the human spirit. We do not want to
>> end up in a world where there are no natural areas left for our
>> spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can understand this.
>
>Don't call me Shirley !
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>> PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this
>> post since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how
>> wrongheaded.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 11:40:32
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in
news:a5ehd3d2ofj8rnqk7oqjok5drk5j3vsqsn@4ax.com:
> On 29 Aug 2007 17:52:04 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>>news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>
>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is
not
>>> stupid like most of them are.
>>
>>I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>>dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>>going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>
> So you are just a mountain-biking defender?
No! I just like to poke sticks at trolls. You (Vandeman) and ED
(erectile dysfunction) are two of the dumbest trolls around.
>
>> Chris Foster
>>
>>>
>>> When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in
>>> natural areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing
>>> anyway? I was actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my
>>> salvation. I am an atheist and have no religion whatsoever. But I
find
>>> my religion in nature. After all, that is where we came from and
that
>>> is what we shall return to.
>>>
>>> When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply
worship
>>> nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of
>>> the natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all
>>> those years. I would encounter a few other hikers of course and a
few
>>> rare horse parties. But never any cyclists.
>>>
>>> The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
>>> wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts.
We
>>> Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect
it
>>> and preserve it at all costs.
>>>
>>> Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing
>>> but a playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of
>>> thousands of miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their
>>> thing. I do not ever want them on a hiking trail.
>>>
>>> Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker
and
>>> a backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine
>>> their activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of
>>> hiking trails.
>>>
>>> Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I
>>> consider him the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain
>>> bikers do to natural areas and to the human spirit. We do not want
to
>>> end up in a world where there are no natural areas left for our
>>> spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can understand this.
>>
>>Don't call me Shirley !
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>>
>>> PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this
>>> post since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how
>>> wrongheaded.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 02:32:38
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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"Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
>> stupid like most of them are.
>
> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in the US
for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on hiking trails.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:57:59
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:32:38 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>
>"Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>
>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
>>> stupid like most of them are.
>>
>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>
>Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
>thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
>wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>
>There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in the US
>for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on hiking trails.
Correction: I don't care if they are on hiking trails. I only care
about BIKES being on hiking trails. BIKES don't belong there.
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 15:42:47
From: =?utf-8?B?4paAU2xhY2s=?=
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:32:38 -0700, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
>
> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>
>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
>>> stupid like most of them are.
>>
>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>
> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers.
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
Don't you have a public restroom to tend?
__
Slack
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 21:16:30
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in
news:0uSdnVlssqFK70vbnZ2dnUVZ_tqtnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>
>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is
>>> not stupid like most of them are.
>>
>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>
> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on
> one thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural
> scene and wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>
> There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in
> the US for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on
> hiking trails.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
Last I checked, this was still a free country! I am allowed to defend them
as you are to attack them
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 01:40:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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"Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:Xns999CA41B31Djohnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
> news:0uSdnVlssqFK70vbnZ2dnUVZ_tqtnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>>
>> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>>
>>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is
>>>> not stupid like most of them are.
>>>
>>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>>
>> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on
>> one thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural
>> scene and wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>>
>> There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in
>> the US for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on
>> hiking trails.
>
> Last I checked, this was still a free country! I am allowed to defend
> them
> as you are to attack them
But you claimed you are also a hiker and a backpacker. Those activities just
don't compute with cycling on hiking trails. Please consult with a head
shrink as there is something wrong with the way your brain works.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 01:03:16
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On 30 Aug 2007 21:16:30 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>news:0uSdnVlssqFK70vbnZ2dnUVZ_tqtnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>>
>> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>>
>>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is
>>>> not stupid like most of them are.
>>>
>>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>>
>> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on
>> one thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural
>> scene and wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>>
>> There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in
>> the US for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on
>> hiking trails.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>>
>
>Last I checked, this was still a free country! I am allowed to defend them
>as you are to attack them
Too bad they are INDEFENSIBLE. Even by you.
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 21:09:08
From: Terryc
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
> thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
> wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
So, should their be a "MTB" season?
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:58:34
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:09:08 +1000, Terryc
<newsthreespam-spam@woa.com.au > wrote:
>Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
>> thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
>> wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>
>So, should their be a "MTB" season?
On pavement, yes: year round.
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