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Date: 15 Jan 2007 08:46:16
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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Hi there. Thanks to some of the links I have seen here and at rec.bicycles.tech I have been watching some videos of cyclo-cross racing. I notice that when the riders re-mount they seem to naturally clip in. I have a pair of Mtb clipless pedals on my cyclo-cross tyre equipped Miele Road bike because I ride a lot of trails and dirt and gravel surfaced roads with it. I like the ease of walking in the Louis Garneau mtb shoes I have. However I find it much harder to clip into these pedals than I do with my Wellgo WAM-R1, Shimano Exage or Look clipless road pedals which I can clip into instinctively. With the mtb clipless pedal I usually have to shift my foot a fair bit feeling for that click as I try to clip into my Mtb pedals. That is not what I want. These are Wellgo mtb pedals but I don not know what model they are. I know they were not expensive at about $50 Cdn but they were recommended by the shop as being easy to clip into. Is there a special technique to clipping into an Mtb clipless pedal? Are more expensive pedals easier to clip into? Or is it simply a matter of practice, practice and more practice? Your relevant advice is greatly appreciated. BTW my funds are severely limited so high end components are out of the question. Peter
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Date: 19 Jan 2007 05:05:25
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote: > Sir Ridesalot wrote: > > Hi there. > > > > Thanks to some of the links I have seen here and at rec.bicycles.tech I > > have been watching some videos of cyclo-cross racing. > > > > I notice that when the riders re-mount they seem to naturally clip in. > > I have a pair of Mtb clipless pedals on my cyclo-cross tyre equipped > > Miele Road bike because I ride a lot of trails and dirt and gravel > > surfaced roads with it. I like the ease of walking in the Louis Garneau > > mtb shoes I have. > > > > However I find it much harder to clip into these pedals than I do with > > my Wellgo WAM-R1, Shimano Exage or Look clipless road pedals which I > > can clip into instinctively. With the mtb clipless pedal I usually have > > to shift my foot a fair bit feeling for that click as I try to clip > > into my Mtb pedals. That is not what I want. These are Wellgo mtb > > pedals but I don not know what model they are. I know they were not > > expensive at about $50 Cdn but they were recommended by the shop as > > being easy to clip into. > > > > Is there a special technique to clipping into an Mtb clipless pedal? > > > > Are more expensive pedals easier to clip into? > > > > Or is it simply a matter of practice, practice and more practice? > > > > Your relevant advice is greatly appreciated. > > > > BTW my funds are severely limited so high end components are out of the > > question. > > > > Peter > > I have used Shimano 540 and 520 pedals. Getting into them could not be > easier. Just slap your foot down and they are in. The 520's are pretty > inexpensive and work miles better than some (cheapo) Wellgo's I've > tried. > > If you are having problems, see if the sole of the shoe is interfering > somehow. > > Joseph Hello there. I used the wind trainer and tried clipping in. I had the same difficulty. I unstrapped the shoes and took my feet out leaving the shoes still attached to the pedals. Looking at the soles of the shoes through the bottom of the pedals I see that the lugs of the shoes are extremely close to the pedal cleats. I am going to bevel the offending shoe lugs so my foot is directed towards the cleat rather than the lug catching on the pedal which seems to be the current problem. Thank you very much for pointing this interference issue out. Peter
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 22:40:37
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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nash wrote: > "Sir Ridesalot" <i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote in message > news:1169003889.528825.19750@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > landotter wrote: > >> Sir Ridesalot wrote: > >> > landotter wrote: > >> > > Sir Ridesalot wrote: > >> > > > landotter wrote: > > > > Snipped: > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > FWIW, these are the Wellgo pedal that most everybody recommends > >> > > > > as > >> > > > > being the best bang/buck model: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/olderpedals/product_22443.shtml > >> > > > > > >> > > > > The cheaper ones, that aren't compatible with the Shimano cleat > >> > > > > have > >> > > > > indeed been reported to be crap. > >> > > > > >> > > > Hi there. > >> > > > > >> > > > I think they are Shimano type cleats. They are the same model (98A) > >> > > > as > >> > > > the ones at Harris Cyclery shown at this link: > >> > > > > >> > > > http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?PageID=49&action=details&sku=PD4035 > >> > > > > >> > > > Are these the better quality ones? > > > > Snipped: > > > >> > Hi there. > >> > > >> > What I was asking was are these the better Shimano type cleats that are > >> > you used with the Wellgo pedals that are not "reported to be crap"? > >> > > >> > Thanks from Peter > >> > >> You're still not making sense. The cleats come with the pedal. They are > >> spd compatible in certain cases. If the pedals aren't up to snuff, > >> different cleats are rarely the solution. When making "crap" > >> accusations, I was referring to pedals, not cleats. The crap Wellgos > >> are crap, not because they're not fully spd-compatible, but because of > >> build quality and such. > >> > >> I suggest you stop this nonsense and just go outside and practice > >> clipping in and out. > > > > Sorry about that. > > > > But sheesh not every one is an expert on bicycle components or > > terminology. Nor does every one have unlimited financial resources they > > can dispose of by buying first one part ie pedals and then another pair > > because the first were not suitable. That is why I asked my questions > > here. I did not realize that it was nonsense to try and learn some > > thing new about some thing with out having to pay a lot of money > > experimenting. > > > > You said that the Wellgo pedals that were not Shimano cleat compatable > > were crap. I was trying to ascertain whether the cleats I had which > > indeed did come with the pedals were from the crappy pedals. If they > > are then it stands to reason that the pedals I have are the crappy ones > > and no modifications will make them better. > > > > Thanks for your input any way. > > > > BTW I am up in an area of Canada where right now the weather is not > > conducive to the outdoor testing of these pedals. > > > > I think I'll just use the old pedals with toe-clips I had on the bike > > last year before I tried the Mtb cliples ones. At least with those I > > did not have to fiddle around trying to get my fot in them. I'll try > > the mtb pedals again in the spring when the weather is beter suited to > > not clipping in and having the foot slip. > > > > Peter > > > > Peter > > Well I think you got that alright Peter. Weather has to be good so you can > spend a long while outside without other dangers make it 100X harder to > learn spd's. > Your pedals should be just fine. You could ask the LBS if they had any > complaints. Chances are they will work and that's that. > > SN Thank you. I have borrowed a wind trainer to mount the bicycle on later today. When I do get bothe feet clipped in I'll remove my feet from the shoes while the shoes are clipped in. Then Ill dismount and look at the cleats to see if any of the lugs on the shoes are interfering or are very close which could be the problem as some others here suggested. I tried clipping the shoe into the pedal by pushing just the shoe itself onto the pedal but can not get it to clip in. I can with my road shoes and road pedals. Maybe this is another indication that it is the sole of the shoe that is interfering. That is if the pedals I have are not the crappy ones. The shop did say they were very popular and no problem. The only other thing I can think of is that I am trying to use the same technique to clip in the mtb pedals as I do with the road pedals. I'll let you know how I make out later today after my friend delivers the wind trainer and I try it out. Thanks again from Peter
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 19:18:09
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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landotter wrote: > Sir Ridesalot wrote: > > landotter wrote: > > > Sir Ridesalot wrote: > > > > landotter wrote: Snipped: > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, these are the Wellgo pedal that most everybody recommends as > > > > > being the best bang/buck model: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/olderpedals/product_22443.shtml > > > > > > > > > > The cheaper ones, that aren't compatible with the Shimano cleat have > > > > > indeed been reported to be crap. > > > > > > > > Hi there. > > > > > > > > I think they are Shimano type cleats. They are the same model (98A) as > > > > the ones at Harris Cyclery shown at this link: > > > > > > > > http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?PageID=49&action=details&sku=PD4035 > > > > > > > > Are these the better quality ones? Snipped: > > Hi there. > > > > What I was asking was are these the better Shimano type cleats that are > > you used with the Wellgo pedals that are not "reported to be crap"? > > > > Thanks from Peter > > You're still not making sense. The cleats come with the pedal. They are > spd compatible in certain cases. If the pedals aren't up to snuff, > different cleats are rarely the solution. When making "crap" > accusations, I was referring to pedals, not cleats. The crap Wellgos > are crap, not because they're not fully spd-compatible, but because of > build quality and such. > > I suggest you stop this nonsense and just go outside and practice > clipping in and out. Sorry about that. But sheesh not every one is an expert on bicycle components or terminology. Nor does every one have unlimited financial resources they can dispose of by buying first one part ie pedals and then another pair because the first were not suitable. That is why I asked my questions here. I did not realize that it was nonsense to try and learn some thing new about some thing with out having to pay a lot of money experimenting. You said that the Wellgo pedals that were not Shimano cleat compatable were crap. I was trying to ascertain whether the cleats I had which indeed did come with the pedals were from the crappy pedals. If they are then it stands to reason that the pedals I have are the crappy ones and no modifications will make them better. Thanks for your input any way. BTW I am up in an area of Canada where right now the weather is not conducive to the outdoor testing of these pedals. I think I'll just use the old pedals with toe-clips I had on the bike last year before I tried the Mtb cliples ones. At least with those I did not have to fiddle around trying to get my fot in them. I'll try the mtb pedals again in the spring when the weather is beter suited to not clipping in and having the foot slip. Peter Peter
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 03:47:08
From: nash
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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"Sir Ridesalot" <i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca > wrote in message news:1169003889.528825.19750@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > landotter wrote: >> Sir Ridesalot wrote: >> > landotter wrote: >> > > Sir Ridesalot wrote: >> > > > landotter wrote: > > Snipped: > >> > > > > >> > > > > FWIW, these are the Wellgo pedal that most everybody recommends >> > > > > as >> > > > > being the best bang/buck model: >> > > > > >> > > > > http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/olderpedals/product_22443.shtml >> > > > > >> > > > > The cheaper ones, that aren't compatible with the Shimano cleat >> > > > > have >> > > > > indeed been reported to be crap. >> > > > >> > > > Hi there. >> > > > >> > > > I think they are Shimano type cleats. They are the same model (98A) >> > > > as >> > > > the ones at Harris Cyclery shown at this link: >> > > > >> > > > http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?PageID=49&action=details&sku=PD4035 >> > > > >> > > > Are these the better quality ones? > > Snipped: > >> > Hi there. >> > >> > What I was asking was are these the better Shimano type cleats that are >> > you used with the Wellgo pedals that are not "reported to be crap"? >> > >> > Thanks from Peter >> >> You're still not making sense. The cleats come with the pedal. They are >> spd compatible in certain cases. If the pedals aren't up to snuff, >> different cleats are rarely the solution. When making "crap" >> accusations, I was referring to pedals, not cleats. The crap Wellgos >> are crap, not because they're not fully spd-compatible, but because of >> build quality and such. >> >> I suggest you stop this nonsense and just go outside and practice >> clipping in and out. > > Sorry about that. > > But sheesh not every one is an expert on bicycle components or > terminology. Nor does every one have unlimited financial resources they > can dispose of by buying first one part ie pedals and then another pair > because the first were not suitable. That is why I asked my questions > here. I did not realize that it was nonsense to try and learn some > thing new about some thing with out having to pay a lot of money > experimenting. > > You said that the Wellgo pedals that were not Shimano cleat compatable > were crap. I was trying to ascertain whether the cleats I had which > indeed did come with the pedals were from the crappy pedals. If they > are then it stands to reason that the pedals I have are the crappy ones > and no modifications will make them better. > > Thanks for your input any way. > > BTW I am up in an area of Canada where right now the weather is not > conducive to the outdoor testing of these pedals. > > I think I'll just use the old pedals with toe-clips I had on the bike > last year before I tried the Mtb cliples ones. At least with those I > did not have to fiddle around trying to get my fot in them. I'll try > the mtb pedals again in the spring when the weather is beter suited to > not clipping in and having the foot slip. > > Peter > > Peter Well I think you got that alright Peter. Weather has to be good so you can spend a long while outside without other dangers make it 100X harder to learn spd's. Your pedals should be just fine. You could ask the LBS if they had any complaints. Chances are they will work and that's that. SN
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 07:31:39
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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Sir Ridesalot wrote: > landotter wrote: > > Sir Ridesalot wrote: > > > landotter wrote: > > > > joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have used Shimano 540 and 520 pedals. Getting into them could not be > > > > > easier. Just slap your foot down and they are in. The 520's are pretty > > > > > inexpensive and work miles better than some (cheapo) Wellgo's I've > > > > > tried. > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, these are the Wellgo pedal that most everybody recommends as > > > > being the best bang/buck model: > > > > > > > > http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/olderpedals/product_22443.shtml > > > > > > > > The cheaper ones, that aren't compatible with the Shimano cleat have > > > > indeed been reported to be crap. > > > > > > Hi there. > > > > > > I think they are Shimano type cleats. They are the same model (98A) as > > > the ones at Harris Cyclery shown at this link: > > > > > > http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?PageID=49&action=details&sku=PD4035 > > > > > > Are these the better quality ones? > > > > Those are the ones on the bottom of my shoes, they're just cleats and > > fit my pedals, nothing exciting there, but $22 for metal cleats? > > There's some kup for ya. I'm not saying it's Harris, but somewhere > > along the line...yikes! > > Hi there. > > What I was asking was are these the better Shimano type cleats that are > you used with the Wellgo pedals that are not "reported to be crap"? > > Thanks from Peter You're still not making sense. The cleats come with the pedal. They are spd compatible in certain cases. If the pedals aren't up to snuff, different cleats are rarely the solution. When making "crap" accusations, I was referring to pedals, not cleats. The crap Wellgos are crap, not because they're not fully spd-compatible, but because of build quality and such. I suggest you stop this nonsense and just go outside and practice clipping in and out.
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 05:26:54
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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landotter wrote: > Sir Ridesalot wrote: > > landotter wrote: > > > joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > I have used Shimano 540 and 520 pedals. Getting into them could not be > > > > easier. Just slap your foot down and they are in. The 520's are pretty > > > > inexpensive and work miles better than some (cheapo) Wellgo's I've > > > > tried. > > > > > > > > > FWIW, these are the Wellgo pedal that most everybody recommends as > > > being the best bang/buck model: > > > > > > http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/olderpedals/product_22443.shtml > > > > > > The cheaper ones, that aren't compatible with the Shimano cleat have > > > indeed been reported to be crap. > > > > Hi there. > > > > I think they are Shimano type cleats. They are the same model (98A) as > > the ones at Harris Cyclery shown at this link: > > > > http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?PageID=49&action=details&sku=PD4035 > > > > Are these the better quality ones? > > Those are the ones on the bottom of my shoes, they're just cleats and > fit my pedals, nothing exciting there, but $22 for metal cleats? > There's some kup for ya. I'm not saying it's Harris, but somewhere > along the line...yikes! Hi there. What I was asking was are these the better Shimano type cleats that are you used with the Wellgo pedals that are not "reported to be crap"? Thanks from Peter
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 22:01:20
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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Sir Ridesalot wrote: > landotter wrote: > > joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > I have used Shimano 540 and 520 pedals. Getting into them could not be > > > easier. Just slap your foot down and they are in. The 520's are pretty > > > inexpensive and work miles better than some (cheapo) Wellgo's I've > > > tried. > > > > > > FWIW, these are the Wellgo pedal that most everybody recommends as > > being the best bang/buck model: > > > > http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/olderpedals/product_22443.shtml > > > > The cheaper ones, that aren't compatible with the Shimano cleat have > > indeed been reported to be crap. > > Hi there. > > I think they are Shimano type cleats. They are the same model (98A) as > the ones at Harris Cyclery shown at this link: > > http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?PageID=49&action=details&sku=PD4035 > > Are these the better quality ones? Those are the ones on the bottom of my shoes, they're just cleats and fit my pedals, nothing exciting there, but $22 for metal cleats? There's some kup for ya. I'm not saying it's Harris, but somewhere along the line...yikes!
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 20:02:16
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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landotter wrote: > joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote: > > > I have used Shimano 540 and 520 pedals. Getting into them could not be > > easier. Just slap your foot down and they are in. The 520's are pretty > > inexpensive and work miles better than some (cheapo) Wellgo's I've > > tried. > > > FWIW, these are the Wellgo pedal that most everybody recommends as > being the best bang/buck model: > > http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/olderpedals/product_22443.shtml > > The cheaper ones, that aren't compatible with the Shimano cleat have > indeed been reported to be crap. Hi there. I think they are Shimano type cleats. They are the same model (98A) as the ones at Harris Cyclery shown at this link: http://harriscyclery.net/page.cfm?PageID=49&action=details&sku=PD4035 Are these the better quality ones? Thanks again. Peter
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 12:37:21
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote: > I have used Shimano 540 and 520 pedals. Getting into them could not be > easier. Just slap your foot down and they are in. The 520's are pretty > inexpensive and work miles better than some (cheapo) Wellgo's I've > tried. FWIW, these are the Wellgo pedal that most everybody recommends as being the best bang/buck model: http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/olderpedals/product_22443.shtml The cheaper ones, that aren't compatible with the Shimano cleat have indeed been reported to be crap.
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 11:23:23
From:
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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Sir Ridesalot wrote: > Hi there. > > Thanks to some of the links I have seen here and at rec.bicycles.tech I > have been watching some videos of cyclo-cross racing. > > I notice that when the riders re-mount they seem to naturally clip in. > I have a pair of Mtb clipless pedals on my cyclo-cross tyre equipped > Miele Road bike because I ride a lot of trails and dirt and gravel > surfaced roads with it. I like the ease of walking in the Louis Garneau > mtb shoes I have. > > However I find it much harder to clip into these pedals than I do with > my Wellgo WAM-R1, Shimano Exage or Look clipless road pedals which I > can clip into instinctively. With the mtb clipless pedal I usually have > to shift my foot a fair bit feeling for that click as I try to clip > into my Mtb pedals. That is not what I want. These are Wellgo mtb > pedals but I don not know what model they are. I know they were not > expensive at about $50 Cdn but they were recommended by the shop as > being easy to clip into. > > Is there a special technique to clipping into an Mtb clipless pedal? > > Are more expensive pedals easier to clip into? > > Or is it simply a matter of practice, practice and more practice? > > Your relevant advice is greatly appreciated. > > BTW my funds are severely limited so high end components are out of the > question. > > Peter I have used Shimano 540 and 520 pedals. Getting into them could not be easier. Just slap your foot down and they are in. The 520's are pretty inexpensive and work miles better than some (cheapo) Wellgo's I've tried. If you are having problems, see if the sole of the shoe is interfering somehow. Joseph
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 10:31:37
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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Sir Ridesalot wrote: > Is there a special technique to clipping into an Mtb clipless pedal? > Good aim! > Are more expensive pedals easier to clip into? Not necessarily. It's usually a personal preference. > > Or is it simply a matter of practice, practice and more practice? Yup. It's a muscle memory thing. I ride such Wellgos. They're also sold as "Nashbar atb pedals" and under the Ritchey brand. I think they're one of the best values in cycling. I ride mine super tight with road shoes and have no problem clicking in. It's just a matter of knowing where your food should be and mashing. It takes some time for your foot to remember this. The occasions when I ride with roadies that have Look type or spd-r road pedals, it seems I usually have the least trouble clacking in. I doubt it's the pedals, just practice. Do check that you don't have bits of shoe tread getting in the way, that's common with non-road shoes. If you do, just trim it away with a razor knife.
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 16:37:33
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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landotter <landotter@gmail.com > wrote: > Sir Ridesalot wrote: > >> Or is it simply a matter of practice, practice and more practice? > > Do check that you don't have bits of shoe tread getting in the way, > that's common with non-road shoes. If you do, just trim it away with a > razor knife. This can definitely be a problem. My Lake MX101 shoes are *much* easier to clip in than my Exustar cold weather cycling shoes. With practice, I've gotten better with them, but the Lakes are definitely easier. -- Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org "Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm a schitzophrenic, and so am I."
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 17:21:18
From: nash
Subject: Re: Entering Mtb clipless pedals
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"Sir Ridesalot" <i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca > wrote in message news:1168879575.435635.242120@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hi there. > > Thanks to some of the links I have seen here and at rec.bicycles.tech I > have been watching some videos of cyclo-cross racing. > > I notice that when the riders re-mount they seem to naturally clip in. > I have a pair of Mtb clipless pedals on my cyclo-cross tyre equipped > Miele Road bike because I ride a lot of trails and dirt and gravel > surfaced roads with it. I like the ease of walking in the Louis Garneau > mtb shoes I have. > > However I find it much harder to clip into these pedals than I do with > my Wellgo WAM-R1, Shimano Exage or Look clipless road pedals which I > can clip into instinctively. With the mtb clipless pedal I usually have > to shift my foot a fair bit feeling for that click as I try to clip > into my Mtb pedals. That is not what I want. These are Wellgo mtb > pedals but I don not know what model they are. I know they were not > expensive at about $50 Cdn but they were recommended by the shop as > being easy to clip into. > > Is there a special technique to clipping into an Mtb clipless pedal? > > Are more expensive pedals easier to clip into? > > Or is it simply a matter of practice, practice and more practice? > > Your relevant advice is greatly appreciated. > > BTW my funds are severely limited so high end components are out of the > question. > > Peter When I was first using MTB clipless the LBS told me to clip in at the bottom of the pedal cycle. Also, I move it back and to the inside when I screw them on to give room on the inside and also reduce pressure on the metatarsal arch because mine go numb all the time. I know that road shoes do not have the sole of an MTB so you do not get the feel to sense the clipping you are use too. Another problem you did not mention is thinking you are not clipped in and you are. I always check either with each attempt. I think the problem is the thick sole. hope that helps. Practice by using a wall to balance yourself and analyze what you are doing wrong maybe. You will get it trust me. SN
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