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Date: 03 Aug 2006 14:17:35
From: Paul J. Berg
Subject: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 18:27:24
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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In article <1154739628.599146.205470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"landotter" <landotter@gmail.com > writes:
>
> Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <1154728125.522445.264470@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>> pegguru@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> > First I ever heard of fixies was in this group. No one used the term
>> > fixed-gear; they just used "fixie". Being curious, I did some surfing
>> > to find out what the khest the silly things were. Most of the
>> > references I found used the term "fixie". So if it's a term used only
>> > by dilettantes, they seem to rule the roost.
>>
>> I guess I ride a loosie.
>>
>
> [insert graphic and offensive joke here]
>
>:-P
I'm drastically endeared to my bike, and I wouldn't offend her
for the world (even if she is a little on the chunky side.)
Especially since I depend on ol' Lucy so much.
cheers,
Tom
--
-- Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 18:00:28
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <1154728125.522445.264470@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> pegguru@gmail.com writes:
>
> > First I ever heard of fixies was in this group. No one used the term
> > fixed-gear; they just used "fixie". Being curious, I did some surfing
> > to find out what the khest the silly things were. Most of the
> > references I found used the term "fixie". So if it's a term used only
> > by dilettantes, they seem to rule the roost.
>
> I guess I ride a loosie.
>
[insert graphic and offensive joke here]
:-P
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 15:38:15
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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In article <1154728125.522445.264470@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
pegguru@gmail.com writes:
> First I ever heard of fixies was in this group. No one used the term
> fixed-gear; they just used "fixie". Being curious, I did some surfing
> to find out what the khest the silly things were. Most of the
> references I found used the term "fixie". So if it's a term used only
> by dilettantes, they seem to rule the roost.
I guess I ride a loosie.
cheers,
Tom
--
-- Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 01:52:26
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <1154728125.522445.264470@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> pegguru@gmail.com writes:
>
>> First I ever heard of fixies was in this group. No one used the term
>> fixed-gear; they just used "fixie". Being curious, I did some
>> surfing to find out what the khest the silly things were. Most of
>> the references I found used the term "fixie". So if it's a term
>> used only by dilettantes, they seem to rule the roost.
>
> I guess I ride a loosie.
Ricardo?
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 14:48:45
From:
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
> Look, guys, I don't want to be a prick, but this stuff about "fixies"
> is really affected! I mean, if you want hard-core, long-time cyclists
> to think you're a real dilettante, keep calling fixed-gear bikes
> "fixies". But if you want to sound like you know what you're tallking
> about, call it a "fixed-gear" bike. Nobody called them "fixies" until
> the '90's when some yuppie poseur started calling them that, about the
> same time the airhead yuppies started calling BMWs "beemers" rather
> than "bimmers". Just a word to the wise. I thought you would want to
> know. It drives me up the wall!
First I ever heard of fixies was in this group. No one used the term
fixed-gear; they just used "fixie". Being curious, I did some surfing
to find out what the khest the silly things were. Most of the
references I found used the term "fixie". So if it's a term used only
by dilettantes, they seem to rule the roost.
Jeff
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 01:50:33
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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pegguru@gmail.com wrote:
> folson@innercite.com wrote:
>> Look, guys, I don't want to be a prick, but this stuff about "fixies"
>> is really affected! I mean, if you want hard-core, long-time
>> cyclists to think you're a real dilettante, keep calling fixed-gear
>> bikes "fixies". But if you want to sound like you know what you're
>> tallking about, call it a "fixed-gear" bike. Nobody called them
>> "fixies" until the '90's when some yuppie poseur started calling
>> them that, about the same time the airhead yuppies started calling
>> BMWs "beemers" rather than "bimmers". Just a word to the wise. I
>> thought you would want to know. It drives me up the wall!
>
> First I ever heard of fixies was in this group. No one used the term
> fixed-gear; they just used "fixie". Being curious, I did some surfing
> to find out what the khest the silly things were. Most of the
> references I found used the term "fixie". So if it's a term used only
> by dilettantes, they seem to rule the roost.
I Googled Fixies, and got a Vasectomy Support Group.
{rimshot}
Grabbing me hat, BS
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 14:43:39
From:
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Paul O wrote:
> Rick wrote:
> > pegguru@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Paul J. Berg wrote:
> >>> <http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1154141722159250.xml&coll=7>
> >> Not 100% correct: fixies without a front brake are illegal in
> >> Portland. If you install a front brake (no one says you have to
> >> ***use*** it), the bike is legal.
> >>
> >> I doubt too many cops are going to try pulling over bikes without
> >> brakes.
> >>
> >> Since the relevant legislation apparently does not specify that a hand
> >> brake is required (i.e. a coaster brake would do), it would be
> >> interesting to see what would happen if a cop pulled over a coaster
> >> bike.
> >
> > Actually, the language is similar in most states vehicle codes so the
> > fixie without brakes is illegal in most states if not all. And since
> > coaster brakes were common when the relatively uniform vehicle codes
> > were written, and coaster brakes have been common on kids bikes for
> > many decades, I would assume that no one would have a problem with
> > them.
> >
> > - rick
> >
>
> Unfortunately a coaster brake will not work on a fixed gear bike.
> Coaster brakes are engaged by pedaling backwards. A fixie travels in
> reverse when you pedal in backwards. ;-)
>
> Paul D Oosterhout
> (from SAIC)
Yes, I know that. What I was thinking was more along the lines of it
being difficult to
distinguish between a fixie and a coaster bike, at least at first
glance, especially for a non-cyclist. The size of the rear hub would
probably be a giveaway to enthusiasts but not to someone who sits in a
car eating donuts. I was envisioning a cop giving a ticket to a
coaster bike rider.
Jeff
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 07:43:25
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
> Yeah, I KNOW that you and all your friends call them "fixies", but
> that's because you're gay!
Care to add a few "nanner nanner boo boos" for extra shock and awe?
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 05:35:53
From:
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Yeah, I KNOW that you and all your friends call them "fixies", but
that's because you're gay!
Look, everybody I know, age 16-60 that's a cyclist calles them a
"fixie". My 50+ y/o LBS wheel wizard calls them that, the guys I
messengered with years ago called them that. Word to the wise: chill.
Language changes, and with the modern internets, we can just LOL or
even STFU. :-D
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 19:31:22
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
>Nobody called them "fixies" until
> the '90's when some yuppie poseur started calling them that, about the
> same time the airhead yuppies started calling BMWs "beemers" rather
> than "bimmers".
Since the 80s, in my recollection, "Bimmer" is the car, and "Beemer" is
the motorcycle. Down south here, people been calling the cars either
for the last 20 years. I just call them "inside out porcupines". Not
that I wouldn't drive one...
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 19:27:20
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
> Look, guys, I don't want to be a prick, but this stuff about "fixies"
> is really affected! I mean, if you want hard-core, long-time cyclists
> to think you're a real dilettante, keep calling fixed-gear bikes
> "fixies". But if you want to sound like you know what you're tallking
> about, call it a "fixed-gear" bike. Nobody called them "fixies" until
> the '90's when some yuppie poseur started calling them that, about the
> same time the airhead yuppies started calling BMWs "beemers" rather
> than "bimmers". Just a word to the wise. I thought you would want to
> know. It drives me up the wall!
So what?
Fixie Fixie Fixie Fixie Fixie Fixie Fixie Fixie Fixie Fixie
I bet you're frothing now, eh?
Look, everybody I know, age 16-60 that's a cyclist calles them a
"fixie". My 50+ y/o LBS wheel wizard calls them that, the guys I
messengered with years ago called them that. Word to the wise: chill.
Language changes, and with the modern internets, we can just LOL or
even STFU. :-D
I bet you still boast about your wonderful high waisted pantaloons.
It's pants, now, you silly goose!
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 19:11:51
From:
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Look, guys, I don't want to be a prick, but this stuff about "fixies"
is really affected! I mean, if you want hard-core, long-time cyclists
to think you're a real dilettante, keep calling fixed-gear bikes
"fixies". But if you want to sound like you know what you're tallking
about, call it a "fixed-gear" bike. Nobody called them "fixies" until
the '90's when some yuppie poseur started calling them that, about the
same time the airhead yuppies started calling BMWs "beemers" rather
than "bimmers". Just a word to the wise. I thought you would want to
know. It drives me up the wall!
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 18:59:33
From: Chris Neary
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Someone who recommends Performance as a "Good LBS" might want to be careful
about criticizing others.
Chris Neary
diabloridr@tcsn.net
"We will teach our twisted speech to the young believers"
-- The Clash
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Date: 06 Aug 2006 11:00:29
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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"Chris Neary" <diabloridr@tcsn.net > wrote in message
news:hqu7d2d3qatktdcj6s21ifh4ifqts8skrr@4ax.com...
> Someone who recommends Performance as a "Good LBS" might want to be
> careful
> about criticizing others.
>
>
Why?
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Date: 05 Aug 2006 02:01:42
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Chris Neary wrote:
> Someone who recommends Performance as a "Good LBS" might want to be
> careful about criticizing others.
Shall we assume someone did that?
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 18:50:37
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Paul J. Berg wrote:
> <http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1154141722159250.xml&coll=7>
No, bikes w/o brakes are illegal. A pretty good basic law if you ask
me. Even the best fixist won't be able to stop as well as somebody with
a good front brake. It's basic physics.
I know two guys that are very serious fixie riders, one races cxcross,
the other commutes 100 miles per week on a fix. Both have brakes on
front and rear. Since a sensible rider will want the levers for the
comfy hood position, what kind of measly "penalty" is an extra caliper?
Newsflash: whiney poseurs.
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Date: 07 Aug 2006 12:55:31
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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landotter <landotter@gmail.com > wrote:
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> I know two guys that are very serious fixie riders, one races cxcross,
> the other commutes 100 miles per week on a fix. Both have brakes on
> front and rear. Since a sensible rider will want the levers for the
> comfy hood position, what kind of measly "penalty" is an extra caliper?
Well, not all of us ride drop bars on our fixies for a start, so whether
I have a lever or not has nothing to do with comfort. I admit to only
running a front brake, but 90% of your effective braking comes from
that, so I find it sufficient. Back-pressure on the pedals is
sufficient for slowing down and speed control.
I have to admit, I generally consider people who live in Seattle and
ride brakeless not to be very wise.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"...Unix, MS-DOS, and Windows NT (also known as the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)."
(By Matt Welsh)
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 15:33:56
From: Rick
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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pegguru@gmail.com wrote:
> Paul J. Berg wrote:
> > <http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1154141722159250.xml&coll=7>
>
> Not 100% correct: fixies without a front brake are illegal in
> Portland. If you install a front brake (no one says you have to
> ***use*** it), the bike is legal.
>
> I doubt too many cops are going to try pulling over bikes without
> brakes.
>
> Since the relevant legislation apparently does not specify that a hand
> brake is required (i.e. a coaster brake would do), it would be
> interesting to see what would happen if a cop pulled over a coaster
> bike.
Actually, the language is similar in most states vehicle codes so the
fixie without brakes is illegal in most states if not all. And since
coaster brakes were common when the relatively uniform vehicle codes
were written, and coaster brakes have been common on kids bikes for
many decades, I would assume that no one would have a problem with
them.
- rick
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 20:19:39
From: Paul O
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Rick wrote:
> pegguru@gmail.com wrote:
>> Paul J. Berg wrote:
>>> <http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1154141722159250.xml&coll=7>
>> Not 100% correct: fixies without a front brake are illegal in
>> Portland. If you install a front brake (no one says you have to
>> ***use*** it), the bike is legal.
>>
>> I doubt too many cops are going to try pulling over bikes without
>> brakes.
>>
>> Since the relevant legislation apparently does not specify that a hand
>> brake is required (i.e. a coaster brake would do), it would be
>> interesting to see what would happen if a cop pulled over a coaster
>> bike.
>
> Actually, the language is similar in most states vehicle codes so the
> fixie without brakes is illegal in most states if not all. And since
> coaster brakes were common when the relatively uniform vehicle codes
> were written, and coaster brakes have been common on kids bikes for
> many decades, I would assume that no one would have a problem with
> them.
>
> - rick
>
Unfortunately a coaster brake will not work on a fixed gear bike.
Coaster brakes are engaged by pedaling backwards. A fixie travels in
reverse when you pedal in backwards. ;-)
Paul D Oosterhout
(from SAIC)
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 14:58:03
From:
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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Paul J. Berg wrote:
> <http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/news/1154141722159250.xml&coll=7>
Not 100% correct: fixies without a front brake are illegal in
Portland. If you install a front brake (no one says you have to
***use*** it), the bike is legal.
I doubt too many cops are going to try pulling over bikes without
brakes.
Since the relevant legislation apparently does not specify that a hand
brake is required (i.e. a coaster brake would do), it would be
interesting to see what would happen if a cop pulled over a coaster
bike.
Jeff
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Date: 03 Aug 2006 22:11:39
From: sally
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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In article <1154642283.140428.153470@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com >,
<pegguru@gmail.com > wrote:
>I doubt too many cops are going to try pulling over bikes without
>brakes.
True, but if you get into an accident with an illegal bike, I suspect
that lawyers and courts will not look to favorably on you.
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Date: 04 Aug 2006 14:06:29
From: Bob in CT
Subject: Re: Fixies are illegal in Portland, Oregon
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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 18:11:39 -0400, sally <caspam@doj.ca.gov > wrote:
> In article <1154642283.140428.153470@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> <pegguru@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I doubt too many cops are going to try pulling over bikes without
>> brakes.
>
> True, but if you get into an accident with an illegal bike, I suspect
> that lawyers and courts will not look to favorably on you.
It depends. This law is made for a purpose. If you're outside that
purpose, the law won't affect you.
--
Bob in CT
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