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Date: 03 Jan 2007 22:28:57
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: How do you log rides?
I really didn't start seriously logging anything until 3-4 years ago.
Before that, odometer readings at the end of each year were good
enough. In 2005, I got a desk calendar and started noting miles and a
short description of each ride. That made for a nice day at the end
of the year, when I spent a rainy afternoon entering everything into a
spreadsheet (boring) and reliving the best rides from jotted notes
(definitely not boring!).

Trouble with having a spreadsheet is, you keep going. So last year I
logged everything in a desk calendar, and also put it in the
spreadsheet, thinking of more or less interesting things to plot, and
then watching the plots carefully. It helped some with motivation, as
I went from a personal record of 3,000 miles to a new personal record
of 5,000 miles for the year. But I missed that day of reminiscing --
sort of like getting a cyclocomputer can lead to too much interest in
watching the numbers flash, and not enough interest in the ride.

So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?) What's important
enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
-- and why do you log it? What do you do with it when you're done?

Pat
Email address works as is.




 
Date: 23 Jan 2007 07:04:17
From: hose
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
I log my rides on BikeJournal at <a href="http://bikejournal.com"
target="_blank" >BikeJournal.com</a>.



 
Date: 16 Jan 2007 08:57:24
From: qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?

joe wrote:
> Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:33:35 -0600, joe wrote:
> >
> >> Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I wrote a collection of Perl scripts that store ride data in a
> >>> relational database and turn it into nifty tables and graphs:
> >>>
> >>> http://reidster.net/logs/bike.html
> >>>
> >>> I also use my GPS to collect tracks of novel routes, and I hang onto
> >>> those to see where I've been.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I'm a big nerd. ;)
> >>>
> >>> Reid
> >>
> >> Looks nice. Care to share the scripts?
> >
> > I'd be happy to share.
> >
> > However, there is a strong caveat in that they are not well-documented or
> > easy to use by any means. Installing them would require knowledge of both
> > PostgreSQL and Perl, and probably UNIX (while in principle both Postgres
> > and Perl run on other systems, I don't know what would be required to port
> > the scripts). (Anyone who wants to fix these issues is welcome to...)
> >
> > With that in mind, let me know if you are still interested and I will
> > package them up and post them on my website.
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Reid
>
> My main activity is with JSP/Postgresql with some supporting Perl CGI. The
> target system is FreeBSD with PostgreSQL 8.0.7
>
> I would like to give it a try.

me too(teehee).........;-p



  
Date: 16 Jan 2007 23:58:57
From: Reid Priedhorsky
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 08:57:24 -0800, qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> joe wrote:
>>
>> My main activity is with JSP/Postgresql with some supporting Perl CGI. The
>> target system is FreeBSD with PostgreSQL 8.0.7
>>
>> I would like to give it a try.
>
> me too(teehee).........;-p

Wonderful! Interest from not one but two people. Makes my day. :)

Please see <http://reidster.net/software/ > and download rlog.tar.gz. It is
all GPLed, so feel free to hack away.

I use PostgreSQL 7.4, but I don't expect any significant problems with 8.0.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Take care,

Reid


   
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 06:35:43
From: qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?

Patrick Lamb wrote:
> I really didn't start seriously logging anything until 3-4 years ago.
> Before that, odometer readings at the end of each year were good
> enough. In 2005, I got a desk calendar and started noting miles and a
> short description of each ride. That made for a nice day at the end
> of the year, when I spent a rainy afternoon entering everything into a
> spreadsheet (boring) and reliving the best rides from jotted notes
> (definitely not boring!).
>
> Trouble with having a spreadsheet is, you keep going. So last year I
> logged everything in a desk calendar, and also put it in the
> spreadsheet, thinking of more or less interesting things to plot, and
> then watching the plots carefully. It helped some with motivation, as
> I went from a personal record of 3,000 miles to a new personal record
> of 5,000 miles for the year. But I missed that day of reminiscing --
> sort of like getting a cyclocomputer can lead to too much interest in
> watching the numbers flash, and not enough interest in the ride.
>
> So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?) What's important
> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
> -- and why do you log it? What do you do with it when you're done?
>
> Pat
> Email address works as is.

iCal, comes standard on my mac..a calender to log what you did(not MUCH
these cold snowy days)...then print it out after each month.



 
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 02:29:31
From: just another biker
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
Excellent point Tom.....looking forward to new experiences not bound by
the past.
Overall, my rides improved after chucking the bike computer and doing
more exploring, searching out fun roads and trails, usually away from
designated bike paths and lanes; on road, off road, anywhere. Heck,
even smiling and talking with people. Don't want to know how much
farther the ride is, or even look forward to the end. The computer
turned me into a hammerhead with blinders on; now I'm just a part-time
hammerhead. Knowing overall time at the end of a century is
interesting, but doesn't really serve to improve the quality of the
ride.


>
> I've lived & ridden in the same city pretty much all my life,
> so one might think it's a lead pipe cinch for me to know all
> the routes. But it's constantly evolving and and changing,
> as the City installs new facilities and reconfigures streets.
>
> One self-inflicted challenge I particularly enjoy is not so much
> about speed or time per se, but to figure out as-the-crow-flies
> routes that cut diagonally across the street-layout grid, often
> using shortcuts through parks, parking lots, etc. The speed &
> time thing then just naturally falls into place. I just can't
> restrict myself to just riding on arterials, or side streets,
> or bike lanes, or MUPs. If it's there and it's useful -- I'll
> use it. I guess I'm an essentialist-advantagist.
>
> So it's really not enough to just figure out a good route
> once and for all, and then habitually keep using it. One
> has to keep one's eyes & mind open, and occasionally re-explore
> the already-explored. What's an odious route today could very
> well become a beauty tomorrow. I used to make digital notes
> about such changes and improvements. Now I make mental notes,
> and that's good enough for me. Besides, when I'm awheel, I
> don't have access to my home computer system. But it's all
> "up here" (usually).
>
> I dunno -- maybe there's something Anal Retentive about going
> to quantative numerical extremes of making preserved museum
> specimens out of past rides? Maybe a bike ride has a Spirit
> that really needs to be let go and released, instead of clung-to
> or caged in an atrophying database or spreadsheet. If someone
> needs to experience a ride, a fresh one does the trick.
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
>
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> Above address is just a spam midden.
> I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca



 
Date: 07 Jan 2007 19:25:17
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
In article <Pqioh.154$eI.49@newsfe05.lga >,
"GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > writes:

>> I haven't tried Wine, so maybe
>> Linux can do it better; mention it if that is the case. Regardless, all
>> I was asking was for some actual technical details in the middle of the
>> keting.
>
> Oh...Linux. <irony mode=on>Well, on that platform you should easily be able
> to find one of the many free open source alternatives.<irony mode=off>

With OSS and some artistic Vertical Development using available
tools, one doesn't need to install a prefabricated application.


cheers,
Tom

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Above address is just a spam midden.
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 22:14:54
From: GaryG
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:tidsne.hcs.ln@bud.garden.local...
> In article <Pqioh.154$eI.49@newsfe05.lga>,
> "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> writes:
>
> >> I haven't tried Wine, so maybe
> >> Linux can do it better; mention it if that is the case. Regardless,
all
> >> I was asking was for some actual technical details in the middle of the
> >> keting.
> >
> > Oh...Linux. <irony mode=on>Well, on that platform you should easily be
able
> > to find one of the many free open source alternatives.<irony mode=off>
>
> With OSS and some artistic Vertical Development using available
> tools, one doesn't need to install a prefabricated application.

You've left out one important required component - Time.

By way of comparison, with a few seeds and some simple tools, I could grow
all of my family's grain and vegetables. But, most of us value our time
enough to pay others for the things that we find useful, and that can save
us time to pursue other interests (like, bike riding).

~_-*
...G/ \G
http://www.CycliStats.com
CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

>
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> Above address is just a spam midden.
> I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca




 
Date: 06 Jan 2007 20:06:26
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
In article <s6n0q2tjaqsdq502drgflob0mc3akn1o28@4ax.com >,
Patrick Lamb <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net > writes:
>
> I spend too much time thinking up interesting things to calculate or
> plot, and too little time riding.

If you're into computer programming -- get out of it
while you can. If not -- don't get into it. It's a
soul-sucking, Hawkingesque black hole that'll divert
you from Life, like the quest for profit did to
Ebenezer Scrooge.

Screw determinants/matrices! Screw graphs & charts,
and quadratic equations and trigonometry and vectors
and limits!

Let other people willingly burn themselves out over
that falderall.

Life is more to be lived, than thought about.

Dare to eat a peach (although sometimes I prefer
to use a knife & fork, myself.)


cheers,
Tom

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Above address is just a spam midden.
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Date: 06 Jan 2007 19:44:22
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
In article <5jn0q291lgav5frqehtp0ila9hri4oc058@4ax.com >,
Patrick Lamb <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net > writes:
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:07:28 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
> wrote:
>>In article <qvvop2dk21ev0l2jehog653ueui3vrttip@4ax.com>,
>> Patrick Lamb <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> writes:
>>> What's important
>>> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
>>> -- and why do you log it?
>>
>>When I had the cycloputer, it seemed a shame to
>>just toss all those numbers into the bit bucket.
>>Might as well save 'em. And I liked to record
>>things I noticed, impressions and experiences
>>during my rides.
>
> When I was going through my desk calendar, the impressions and
> experiences I remembered seemed like the most important (and
> ephemeral, and intangible) things in there. Well, maybe second most,
> behind the mileage...

I'm saving up for a reasonably priced camera.
Maybe a nice, no-frills 35mm SLR + zoom/telephoto +
filters, etc.

>>> What do you do with it when you're done?
>>
>>There's the rub. Not much. That's partly why I don't
>>bother any more.
>
> You've gone more minimalist than I've been able to, at least so far.
^^^^^^^^^^

I prefer "essentialist" :-)

> I did like remembering the rides; even the one where I turned into a
> 20 mph headwind, at 20 F, and almost stopped. That one, at least, is
> good for stories.

If you had a camera, you could've taken a snap of the
icycles hanging from your rear derailer :-)

For a time, I tried making notes of all the intersections
with cyclist push-button traffic lights. That evolved into
making notes of the best/worst intersections in general,
taking into consideration such things as traffic volume and
sight lines. But I've gotten to know my way around by memory,
like a good cabbie.

I've lived & ridden in the same city pretty much all my life,
so one might think it's a lead pipe cinch for me to know all
the routes. But it's constantly evolving and and changing,
as the City installs new facilities and reconfigures streets.

One self-inflicted challenge I particularly enjoy is not so much
about speed or time per se, but to figure out as-the-crow-flies
routes that cut diagonally across the street-layout grid, often
using shortcuts through parks, parking lots, etc. The speed &
time thing then just naturally falls into place. I just can't
restrict myself to just riding on arterials, or side streets,
or bike lanes, or MUPs. If it's there and it's useful -- I'll
use it. I guess I'm an essentialist-advantagist.

So it's really not enough to just figure out a good route
once and for all, and then habitually keep using it. One
has to keep one's eyes & mind open, and occasionally re-explore
the already-explored. What's an odious route today could very
well become a beauty tomorrow. I used to make digital notes
about such changes and improvements. Now I make mental notes,
and that's good enough for me. Besides, when I'm awheel, I
don't have access to my home computer system. But it's all
"up here" (usually).

I dunno -- maybe there's something Anal Retentive about going
to quantative numerical extremes of making preserved museum
specimens out of past rides? Maybe a bike ride has a Spirit
that really needs to be let go and released, instead of clung-to
or caged in an atrophying database or spreadsheet. If someone
needs to experience a ride, a fresh one does the trick.


cheers,
Tom



--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca


 
Date: 06 Jan 2007 15:04:25
From:
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
www.bikethisway.com
Use it

Patrick Lamb wrote:
> I really didn't start seriously logging anything until 3-4 years ago.
> Before that, odometer readings at the end of each year were good
> enough. In 2005, I got a desk calendar and started noting miles and a
> short description of each ride. That made for a nice day at the end
> of the year, when I spent a rainy afternoon entering everything into a
> spreadsheet (boring) and reliving the best rides from jotted notes
> (definitely not boring!).
>
> Trouble with having a spreadsheet is, you keep going. So last year I
> logged everything in a desk calendar, and also put it in the
> spreadsheet, thinking of more or less interesting things to plot, and
> then watching the plots carefully. It helped some with motivation, as
> I went from a personal record of 3,000 miles to a new personal record
> of 5,000 miles for the year. But I missed that day of reminiscing --
> sort of like getting a cyclocomputer can lead to too much interest in
> watching the numbers flash, and not enough interest in the ride.
>
> So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?) What's important
> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
> -- and why do you log it? What do you do with it when you're done?
>
> Pat
> Email address works as is.



 
Date: 04 Jan 2007 20:35:40
From: zeke
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
I use the following Web application:

http://dltsoftware.com/efitness/login?userID=demo&password=demo



 
Date: 04 Jan 2007 19:51:59
From: Ron Wallenfang
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
I record in my yearly calendar the daily mileage, which bike I rode,
and estimated high and low riding temperatures every day. When
applicable, I record when I got wet, when I got flats and if so which
tire and why; other mechanical issues when they arise, mileage in
states other than Wisconsin, exceptionally windy days when I have
nearby weather station info; trips to one particular favorite
destination (Holy Hill in my case), and any falls (typically about once
a year). On long trips, I keep more detailed diaries, which I edit and
post.


Patrick Lamb wrote:
> I really didn't start seriously logging anything until 3-4 years ago.
> Before that, odometer readings at the end of each year were good
> enough. In 2005, I got a desk calendar and started noting miles and a
> short description of each ride. That made for a nice day at the end
> of the year, when I spent a rainy afternoon entering everything into a
> spreadsheet (boring) and reliving the best rides from jotted notes
> (definitely not boring!).
>
> Trouble with having a spreadsheet is, you keep going. So last year I
> logged everything in a desk calendar, and also put it in the
> spreadsheet, thinking of more or less interesting things to plot, and
> then watching the plots carefully. It helped some with motivation, as
> I went from a personal record of 3,000 miles to a new personal record
> of 5,000 miles for the year. But I missed that day of reminiscing --
> sort of like getting a cyclocomputer can lead to too much interest in
> watching the numbers flash, and not enough interest in the ride.
>
> So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?) What's important
> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
> -- and why do you log it? What do you do with it when you're done?
>
> Pat
> Email address works as is.



  
Date: 05 Jan 2007 11:12:14
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
Ron Wallenfang wrote:
> I record in my yearly calendar the daily mileage, which bike I rode,
> and estimated high and low riding temperatures every day. When
> applicable, I record when I got wet, when I got flats and if so which
> tire and why; other mechanical issues when they arise, mileage in
> states other than Wisconsin, exceptionally windy days when I have
> nearby weather station info; trips to one particular favorite
> destination (Holy Hill in my case), and any falls (typically about once
> a year). On long trips, I keep more detailed diaries, which I edit and
> post.
>
>

It didn't occur to me to post it earlier, but I do note the mileage for
flats, major repairs and additions. I keep two bikes going at a time.
They are pretty similar, so it isn't otherwise easy for me to keep up
with when those things are done.


   
Date: 06 Jan 2007 20:47:05
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 11:12:14 -0600, catzz66 <dingdong@rammalamma.net >
wrote:
>
>It didn't occur to me to post it earlier, but I do note the mileage for
>flats, major repairs and additions. I keep two bikes going at a time.
>They are pretty similar, so it isn't otherwise easy for me to keep up
>with when those things are done.

I don't keep track of flats, but I do note mileage for chain and tire
changes. Probably doesn't make any difference for either (I mean, you
change them when they're worn out), but I have some sense of how long
a particular tire will last.

Pat

Email address works as is.


 
Date: 04 Jan 2007 19:52:22
From: GaryG
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
"Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:qvvop2dk21ev0l2jehog653ueui3vrttip@4ax.com...
> I really didn't start seriously logging anything until 3-4 years ago.
> Before that, odometer readings at the end of each year were good
> enough. In 2005, I got a desk calendar and started noting miles and a
> short description of each ride. That made for a nice day at the end
> of the year, when I spent a rainy afternoon entering everything into a
> spreadsheet (boring) and reliving the best rides from jotted notes
> (definitely not boring!).
>
> Trouble with having a spreadsheet is, you keep going. So last year I
> logged everything in a desk calendar, and also put it in the
> spreadsheet, thinking of more or less interesting things to plot, and
> then watching the plots carefully. It helped some with motivation, as
> I went from a personal record of 3,000 miles to a new personal record
> of 5,000 miles for the year. But I missed that day of reminiscing --
> sort of like getting a cyclocomputer can lead to too much interest in
> watching the numbers flash, and not enough interest in the ride.
>
> So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?) What's important
> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
> -- and why do you log it? What do you do with it when you're done?
>
> Pat
> Email address works as is.

A few years ago I tried out several spreadsheets and cycling-specific
programs, but wasn't satisfied with any of them.

So, I decided to combine my vocation and my avocation and developed a
program I call "CycliStats" (http://www.CycliStats.com).

Now on version 5, CycliStats is (IMO) much easier to use than spreadsheets,
and does a lot more. Besides tracking basic ride data (distance, time,
speed, etc.), it also allows you to track personal health stats (weight,
resting heart rate, etc.), and bike maintenance. You can also easily create
seasonal cycling goals (e.g., yearly or monthly distance goals,
centuries/races, etc.) and track your progress towards them.

With over 50 built-in reports and graphs, you can slice and dice your ride
data with just a few mouse clicks.

For those who are interested, you can download a free, fully functional,
30-day trial version of CycliStats from the website
(http://www.cyclistats.com/Download.htm).

And if anyone has questions about the program, feel free to email me
(there's an email link on the Tech Support page -
http://www.cyclistats.com/techsupport.htm).

~_-*
...G/ \G
http://www.CycliStats.com
CycliStats - Software for Cyclists




  
Date: 05 Jan 2007 13:49:34
From: Doc O'Leary
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
In article <oUjnh.2276$yY7.1648@newsfe04.lga >,
"GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote:

> For those who are interested, you can download a free, fully functional,
> 30-day trial version of CycliStats from the website

Doesn't function at all for me. Next time, at least say it's
Windows-only.

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Date: 05 Jan 2007 18:49:17
From: GaryG
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
"Doc O'Leary" <droleary.usenet@1q2007.subsume.com > wrote in message
news:droleary.usenet-207B9A.13493405012007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <oUjnh.2276$yY7.1648@newsfe04.lga>,
> "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote:
>
> > For those who are interested, you can download a free, fully functional,
> > 30-day trial version of CycliStats from the website
>
> Doesn't function at all for me. Next time, at least say it's
> Windows-only.

The system requirements are listed on the download page.

What's your OS? Newer Macs are capable of running Windows apps, and I have
several customers who are running the program that way..

~_-*
...G/ \G
http://www.CycliStats.com
CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

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Date: 06 Jan 2007 15:01:02
From: Doc O'Leary
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
In article <63Enh.143$Bz5.5@newsfe05.lga >,
"GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote:

> "Doc O'Leary" <droleary.usenet@1q2007.subsume.com> wrote in message
> news:droleary.usenet-207B9A.13493405012007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > In article <oUjnh.2276$yY7.1648@newsfe04.lga>,
> > "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote:
> >
> > > For those who are interested, you can download a free, fully functional,
> > > 30-day trial version of CycliStats from the website
> >
> > Doesn't function at all for me. Next time, at least say it's
> > Windows-only.
>
> The system requirements are listed on the download page.

I saw. I would just have liked some indication of that in your post so
I wouldn't have to bother going to a site that is useless to me.

> What's your OS? Newer Macs are capable of running Windows apps, and I have
> several customers who are running the program that way..

While Apple hardware can run Windows, Mac OS X cannot run your app as
far as I know. I really hope you're not suggesting that your program is
so awesome that to buy it people should also pay even more for a shitty
OS and reboot every time they run it. I haven't tried Wine, so maybe
Linux can do it better; mention it if that is the case. Regardless, all
I was asking was for some actual technical details in the middle of the
keting.

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Date: 07 Jan 2007 19:01:42
From: GaryG
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
"Doc O'Leary" <droleary.usenet@1q2007.subsume.com > wrote in message
news:droleary.usenet-E92C82.15010206012007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <63Enh.143$Bz5.5@newsfe05.lga>,
> "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote:
>
> > "Doc O'Leary" <droleary.usenet@1q2007.subsume.com> wrote in message
> >
news:droleary.usenet-207B9A.13493405012007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > > In article <oUjnh.2276$yY7.1648@newsfe04.lga>,
> > > "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > For those who are interested, you can download a free, fully
functional,
> > > > 30-day trial version of CycliStats from the website
> > >
> > > Doesn't function at all for me. Next time, at least say it's
> > > Windows-only.
> >
> > The system requirements are listed on the download page.
>
> I saw. I would just have liked some indication of that in your post so
> I wouldn't have to bother going to a site that is useless to me.

Sorry I cost a couple of clicks out of your life.

>
> > What's your OS? Newer Macs are capable of running Windows apps, and I
have
> > several customers who are running the program that way..
>
> While Apple hardware can run Windows, Mac OS X cannot run your app as
> far as I know. I really hope you're not suggesting that your program is
> so awesome that to buy it people should also pay even more for a shitty
> OS and reboot every time they run it.

Depending on the emulator, rebooting's not necessary. As for the
"awesomeness" of CycliStats, the Mac users' I've talked to have agreed that
it's a really nice piece of software (better than anything available for the
Mac OS according to the folks I've talked to).

As for paying even more for Windows - I suspect the Mac users who are
running CycliStats didn't purchase a Windows emulator just for CycliStats.
Most likely, they've chosen to have Windows available on their Macs in order
to take advantage of some of the thousands of useful, easy-to-use programs
that are available on Windows (and now, finally, available for the Mac).

FWIW, I would love to provide a Mac version of CycliStats, but the program
is a part-time labor of love, and I just don't have the time to dedicate to
such a small ket segment (especially now that the Windows-on-Mac option
is becoming available, and PC's have gotten so cheap). I have a full-time
job, a girlfriend, and a bike to ride, so finding the time to do a Mac port
is just not in the cards (when I researched it a few years ago, I estimated
that it would be at least 1000 hours of work).

> I haven't tried Wine, so maybe
> Linux can do it better; mention it if that is the case. Regardless, all
> I was asking was for some actual technical details in the middle of the
> keting.

Oh...Linux. <irony mode=on >Well, on that platform you should easily be able
to find one of the many free open source alternatives.<irony mode=off >

Seriously, I have no idea whether or not CycliStats would run under Wine.
Based on what I've heard about the stability of Windows programs running
under Wine, I would not be optimistic...but it might be worth a shot.

~_-*
...G/ \G
http://www.CycliStats.com
CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

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Date: 08 Jan 2007 16:01:18
From: Doc O'Leary
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
In article <Pqioh.154$eI.49@newsfe05.lga >,
"GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote:

> Sorry I cost a couple of clicks out of your life.

Sorry my lesson in customer service and keting is being lost on you.

> Depending on the emulator, rebooting's not necessary. As for the
> "awesomeness" of CycliStats, the Mac users' I've talked to have agreed that
> it's a really nice piece of software (better than anything available for the
> Mac OS according to the folks I've talked to).

So you're saying that you *only* want me to give you $50 for your
software if I'm first willing to give $200 to MS and $80 to Parallels?
Look I wasn't asking you to insanely justify spending money, I was
simply asking that you put the least little bit about platform support
when you post.

> Oh...Linux. <irony mode=on>Well, on that platform you should easily be able
> to find one of the many free open source alternatives.<irony mode=off>

I believe you meant to use the sarcasm tag, but what *is* ironic is that
you call your effort a labor of love and yet deride open source instead
of releasing your program that way. Going that route would be a
reasonable answer to not spending thousands of hours of further effort
yourself. Since you're charging $50, it seems reasonable to consider
your efforts more of a business and, as such, it doesn't seem too much
for me to say that listing platform support should be a basic part of
your pitch.

> Seriously, I have no idea whether or not CycliStats would run under Wine.
> Based on what I've heard about the stability of Windows programs running
> under Wine, I would not be optimistic...but it might be worth a shot.

Personally, I'm not optimistic about the stability of Windows programs
running under *Windows*. Thanks for the perfect setup on that joke!
Seriously, you need to stress less about this. Your response should
have just been a simple "Good point. I'll add that next time."

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Date: 06 Jan 2007 16:34:20
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
Doc O'Leary wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Doesn't function at all for me. Next time, at least say it's
>>>Windows-only.
>>
>>The system requirements are listed on the download page.
>
>
> I saw. I would just have liked some indication of that in your post so
> I wouldn't have to bother going to a site that is useless to me.
>
>

[site owner rolls eyes]


 
Date: 05 Jan 2007 02:00:27
From: oughtfour
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
Tracking these data has transformed the way I ride. It has led me to
ride farther, faster, and more often.

I just enter the data in a spread sheet. At the end of the year I start
a new one. Over time I've added bells and whistles like a graph of
cumulative miles and seven-day totals.

Patrick Lamb wrote:

> Trouble with having a spreadsheet is, you keep going.
And this is a problem how exactly?

> So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?) What's important
> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
> -- and why do you log it? What do you do with it when you're done?

The basic odo stats: miles, time, average speed, and top speed (a proxy
for "hilliness," since I do not have GPS). Plus comments, which briefly
describes the ride and maybe or how I felt, or any problems I had.

What I do when I'm "done:" well, I go for another ride, if I can.
Between rides this information is entertaining or useful (or both) in
several ways.

I can track my performance on terms of distance or average speed, both
generally and on those rides I do regularly. If I am actually training
for something, which is rare, I can compare my performance with the
training schedule.

I can go back a year or two to remind myself of particular rides. If I
want to do a particular kind of ride--say, a 40-mile hilly ride in apple
country--I can probably find one, along with my notes about how I liked it.

At the end of the year I can characterize my performance. I rode a
little less this year than the year before, but my rides were both
faster and hillier.

I get all this from my spreadsheet, which works pretty well for me.


  
Date: 06 Jan 2007 20:47:05
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 02:00:27 GMT, oughtfour <luster@rnospam.net >
wrote:
>Tracking these data has transformed the way I ride. It has led me to
>ride farther, faster, and more often.

That's the positive I noted; the spreadsheet can be an inspiration, as
long as everything's going well.

>I just enter the data in a spread sheet. At the end of the year I start
>a new one. Over time I've added bells and whistles like a graph of
>cumulative miles and seven-day totals.
>
>Patrick Lamb wrote:
>> Trouble with having a spreadsheet is, you keep going.
>And this is a problem how exactly?

I spend too much time thinking up interesting things to calculate or
plot, and too little time riding.

Pat

Email address works as is.


 
Date: 04 Jan 2007 17:47:33
From: bitwisebob
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:28:57 -0600, Patrick Lamb
<pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net > wrote:

>So how do you keep track of your rides?

http://lifeform.com/

It's not new software, but has good features for what it does.
Exercise, diet, graphs

Portable too, I can run it from a USB thumb drive on any computer.


---
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Eugene Oregon



  
Date: 06 Jan 2007 20:47:05
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 17:47:33 -0800, bitwisebob <bitwisebob@gmail.com >
wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:28:57 -0600, Patrick Lamb
><pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>So how do you keep track of your rides?
>
>http://lifeform.com/
>
>It's not new software, but has good features for what it does.
>Exercise, diet, graphs
>
>Portable too, I can run it from a USB thumb drive on any computer.

OK, so what do you do with all that information?

Pat

Email address works as is.


 
Date: 04 Jan 2007 09:43:28
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
Just keep monthly/annual mileage on a scratch pad and transfer it once a
year to a spread sheet. I do it just for motivation. I ride nearly
every day, so for me there is not be any particular reason to make note
of the weather/etc.


 
Date: 04 Jan 2007 14:00:20
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=F8rn?= Dahl-Stamnes
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
Patrick Lamb wrote:

> I really didn't start seriously logging anything until 3-4 years ago.
> Before that, odometer readings at the end of each year were good
> enough. In 2005, I got a desk calendar and started noting miles and a
> short description of each ride. That made for a nice day at the end
> of the year, when I spent a rainy afternoon entering everything into a
> spreadsheet (boring) and reliving the best rides from jotted notes
> (definitely not boring!).
>
> Trouble with having a spreadsheet is, you keep going. So last year I
> logged everything in a desk calendar, and also put it in the
> spreadsheet, thinking of more or less interesting things to plot, and
> then watching the plots carefully. It helped some with motivation, as
> I went from a personal record of 3,000 miles to a new personal record
> of 5,000 miles for the year. But I missed that day of reminiscing --
> sort of like getting a cyclocomputer can lead to too much interest in
> watching the numbers flash, and not enough interest in the ride.
>
> So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?) What's important
> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
> -- and why do you log it? What do you do with it when you're done?

I use http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/dahls/Velo/

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Date: 06 Jan 2007 20:47:05
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:00:20 +0100, Jørn Dahl-Stamnes
<newsmanDELETE@REMOVEdahl-stamnes.net > wrote:
>Patrick Lamb wrote:
>> So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?) What's important
>> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
>> -- and why do you log it? What do you do with it when you're done?
>
>I use http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/dahls/Velo/

So what do you record with this software, and why, and how do you use
the information?

Pat

Email address works as is.


 
Date: 03 Jan 2007 21:07:28
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
In article <qvvop2dk21ev0l2jehog653ueui3vrttip@4ax.com >,
Patrick Lamb <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net > writes:

> So how do you keep track of your rides? (Do you?)

I used to. I set up some macros in my emacs to create
records & fields as a primitive flat (but fairly searchable)
database in a single text file.

> What's important
> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
> -- and why do you log it?

When I had the cycloputer, it seemed a shame to
just toss all those numbers into the bit bucket.
Might as well save 'em. And I liked to record
things I noticed, impressions and experiences
during my rides.

> What do you do with it when you're done?

There's the rub. Not much. That's partly why I don't
bother any more.

I suppose it was nice having recorded distances to
various locations, but frankly I like looking at
maps more than I like reading text.

And sometimes I miss having important details at hand,
like the name of that truck stop - burger joint at/near
Douglas Rd & Norland. But I can always ride back there
to find out. Maybe stop in for a burger. And forget
the name of the place again.


cheers,
Tom

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Date: 06 Jan 2007 20:46:59
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: How do you log rides?
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:07:28 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:
>In article <qvvop2dk21ev0l2jehog653ueui3vrttip@4ax.com>,
> Patrick Lamb <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> writes:
>> What's important
>> enough to log -- time, distance, ride profile, max/min speed or pulse
>> -- and why do you log it?
>
>When I had the cycloputer, it seemed a shame to
>just toss all those numbers into the bit bucket.
>Might as well save 'em. And I liked to record
>things I noticed, impressions and experiences
>during my rides.

When I was going through my desk calendar, the impressions and
experiences I remembered seemed like the most important (and
ephemeral, and intangible) things in there. Well, maybe second most,
behind the mileage...

>> What do you do with it when you're done?
>
>There's the rub. Not much. That's partly why I don't
>bother any more.

You've gone more minimalist than I've been able to, at least so far.
I did like remembering the rides; even the one where I turned into a
20 mph headwind, at 20 F, and almost stopped. That one, at least, is
good for stories.

Pat

Email address works as is.