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Date: 05 Aug 2006 21:19:29
From:
Subject: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you

Date: 08 Aug 2006 11:03:18
From: Marz
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

Bernd Illig wrote:
> Am Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:49:20 -0700 schrieb :
>
>
> >> (snip)
> > I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
> >> human rights count for something
> >
> > i dont know of any good bikes from new zealand or norway. good luck!
>
> Norway? No way! They are whale-killers.
>
> Bernd

I wonder if the whale skin's any good for saddles, after all Onassi
thought it good enough for bar stools.

http://www.eastmedyachting.com/Christina.asp

Laters,

z

(no, I don't agree with the slaughter of whales)

Date: 07 Aug 2006 17:01:19
From: Sir Ridesalot
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

Rich Clark wrote:
> <D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch> wrote in message
> news:eb57js$uca$1@news.xmission.com...
> > ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Bill, hoping for a straight answer and not a flame war

Snipped:

> And even if the frame is made in Asia, the process of prepping the frame and
> assembling the bike may take place somewhere else, and that may involve so
> much of the labor that it determines what the "made in..." label says.
> (That's how Treks with Asian frames get to say "made in USA" on them, even
> though almost none of the parts actually were.)

Snipped:
> RichC

A little trivia regarding claims of Made In USA

If the frame is made in a certain city in Japan then it still could be
made in USA as opposed to U.S.A.

I'm not being facetious since there is a city in Japan called Usa which
is often spelled USA on goods manufactured there.

Peter

Date: 07 Aug 2006 20:31:18
From: Mark Hickey
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

"Sir Ridesalot" <i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca > wrote:

>A little trivia regarding claims of Made In USA
>
>If the frame is made in a certain city in Japan then it still could be
>made in USA as opposed to U.S.A.

That's a myth, BTW... (thank goodness for snopes.com).

k Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame

Date: 07 Aug 2006 03:46:12
From: Beach Runner
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
> Pat in TX wrote:
> > <ma_uro77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1154837969.307937.285060@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> > > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> > > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
> >
> > just curious; how do you know what is the size bike that's right for you?
>
> ...because i already have tried few road bicycles from different
> dealers and
> all of them told me that 56 is the size that fit for me...i know that
> choosing
> the right size is not that simple but...how is it my experience to
> decide what is
> the right one or not...?How many bicycle i should ride before to
> decide...?
> A lot of people buy new bicycles and after few week they realize that
> are not
> confortable...but is too late.Bye
>
>
> > >

In your price range, it just won't make that much of a difference. If
you could
find a used bike, you could get something much better. I got a Schwinn
Paramount, which is a fine bike, by ensiping on ebay. You might have
to
try on a few, and never bid before the last 10 seconds of an auction,
but
you just might luck out.

Bob

Date: 06 Aug 2006 17:33:14
From:
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

Pat in TX wrote:
> <ma_uro77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154837969.307937.285060@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>
> just curious; how do you know what is the size bike that's right for you?

...because i already have tried few road bicycles from different
dealers and
all of them told me that 56 is the size that fit for me...i know that
choosing
the right size is not that simple but...how is it my experience to
decide what is
the right one or not...?How many bicycle i should ride before to
decide...?
A lot of people buy new bicycles and after few week they realize that
are not
confortable...but is too late.Bye

> >

Date: 06 Aug 2006 12:18:56
From: Pat in TX
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

Date: 06 Aug 2006 17:07:08
From:
Subject: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
> ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you

One thing I seldom notice anyone asking about when they announce they're
going to buy a new bike is the country where it was made. I'm thinking
about buying a road bike myself, and mainly because I'm one of those
wild-eyed, knee-jerk, long-haired, left-leaning, tree-hugging,
over-hyphenating kooks, I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
human rights count for something--sort of a Tienamen-Square-Massacre-free
zone, for anyone here who is old enough to catch that allusion.
I realize that there's a "Made in" tag on the bikes, albeit often well
hidden, and I have already discovered for myself that Specialized makes at
least some of its bikes in Taiwan, while Giant and Raleigh are from China,
but how about, say, Trek, and Cannondale, and Novara? Does anyone have or
know of a list of which companies manufacture in which countries?

Bill, hoping for a straight answer and not a flame war

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Date: 06 Aug 2006 20:49:20
From: greggery peccary
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

<D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch > wrote in message
news:eb57js$uca$1@news.xmission.com...
> ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>
I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
> human rights count for something

i dont know of any good bikes from new zealand or norway. good luck!

Date: 08 Aug 2006 19:44:41
From: Bernd Illig
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

Am Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:49:20 -0700 schrieb :

>> (snip)
> I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
>> human rights count for something
>
> i dont know of any good bikes from new zealand or norway. good luck!

Norway? No way! They are whale-killers.

Bernd

Date: 06 Aug 2006 20:52:20
From: greggery peccary
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

"greggery peccary" <.@. > wrote in message
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>
> <D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch> wrote in message
> news:eb57js$uca$1@news.xmission.com...
> > ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> > > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> > > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
> >
> I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
> > human rights count for something
>
> i dont know of any good bikes from new zealand or norway. good luck!
>
>

oh wait, scratch new zealand (dont they put refugees in camps?)

Date: 07 Aug 2006 16:19:06
From: Fred
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

"greggery peccary" <.@. > wrote in message
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>
> "greggery peccary" <.@.> wrote in message
> news:eb6d80$q7s$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu...
>>
>> <D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch> wrote in message
>> news:eb57js$uca$1@news.xmission.com...
>> > ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
>> > > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
>> > > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>> >
>> I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
>> > human rights count for something
>>
>> i dont know of any good bikes from new zealand or norway. good luck!
>>
>>
>
> oh wait, scratch new zealand (dont they put refugees in camps?)

No - unfortunately. They become celebrities and burn up taxpayers' money at
a great rate of knots.
>
>

Date: 06 Aug 2006 22:14:38
From: greggery peccary
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

"Fred" <fred@parachute.uk.master > wrote in message
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>
> "greggery peccary" <.@.> wrote in message
> news:eb6ddk$qf4$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu...
> >
> > "greggery peccary" <.@.> wrote in message
> > news:eb6d80$q7s$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu...
> >>
> >> <D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch> wrote in message
> >> news:eb57js$uca$1@news.xmission.com...
> >> > ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> >> > > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> >> > > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
> >> >
> >> I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
> >> > human rights count for something
> >>
> >> i dont know of any good bikes from new zealand or norway. good luck!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > oh wait, scratch new zealand (dont they put refugees in camps?)
>
> No - unfortunately. They become celebrities and burn up taxpayers' money
at
> a great rate of knots.
> >
> >
>
>
cool, i'm going!

Date: 06 Aug 2006 15:02:59
From: Jeanne
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch wrote:
> ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
>>me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
>>Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>
>
> One thing I seldom notice anyone asking about when they announce they're
> going to buy a new bike is the country where it was made. I'm thinking
> about buying a road bike myself, and mainly because I'm one of those
> wild-eyed, knee-jerk, long-haired, left-leaning, tree-hugging,
> over-hyphenating kooks, I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
> human rights count for something--sort of a Tienamen-Square-Massacre-free
> zone, for anyone here who is old enough to catch that allusion.
> I realize that there's a "Made in" tag on the bikes, albeit often well
> hidden, and I have already discovered for myself that Specialized makes at
> least some of its bikes in Taiwan, while Giant and Raleigh are from China,
> but how about, say, Trek, and Cannondale, and Novara? Does anyone have or
> know of a list of which companies manufacture in which countries?
>

Cannondale is a US company with a factory in the US. But I don't know
if *all* their bikes are made in the US. From their website
(http://www.cannondale.com/company/index.html):

Headquartered in Bethel, Connecticut, Cannondale designs, develops and
produces bicycles at its factory in Bedford, Pennsylvania. The company
operates subsidiaries in Holland, Japan, and Australia, and and is owned
by Pegasus Partners II, L.P., a private equity investment firm based in
Greenwich, Connecticut.

If I had the funds, I would buy a frame/fork set from Rivendell Bicycle.

Date: 06 Aug 2006 23:58:53
From: Gooserider
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

"Jeanne" <bridgemanyang@aol.com > wrote in message
news:4uOdncRzN6V5oUvZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch wrote:
>> ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
>>>me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
>>>Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>>
>>
>> One thing I seldom notice anyone asking about when they announce they're
>> going to buy a new bike is the country where it was made. I'm thinking
>> about buying a road bike myself, and mainly because I'm one of those
>> wild-eyed, knee-jerk, long-haired, left-leaning, tree-hugging,
>> over-hyphenating kooks, I'd like to buy a bike made in a country where
>> human rights count for something--sort of a Tienamen-Square-Massacre-free
>> zone, for anyone here who is old enough to catch that allusion.
>> I realize that there's a "Made in" tag on the bikes, albeit often well
>> hidden, and I have already discovered for myself that Specialized makes
>> at
>> least some of its bikes in Taiwan, while Giant and Raleigh are from
>> China,
>> but how about, say, Trek, and Cannondale, and Novara? Does anyone have
>> or
>> know of a list of which companies manufacture in which countries?
>>
>
> Cannondale is a US company with a factory in the US. But I don't know if
> *all* their bikes are made in the US. From their website
> (http://www.cannondale.com/company/index.html):

All except for the Synergy, or whatever their aluminum/carbon tubed bike is.

> Headquartered in Bethel, Connecticut, Cannondale designs, develops and
> produces bicycles at its factory in Bedford, Pennsylvania. The company
> operates subsidiaries in Holland, Japan, and Australia, and and is owned
> by Pegasus Partners II, L.P., a private equity investment firm based in
> Greenwich, Connecticut.
>
> If I had the funds, I would buy a frame/fork set from Rivendell Bicycle.

Rivendell makes NICE stuff, but their frames are made in Japan. Their
Bleriot model is Taiwanese. Nothing wrong with that, though. If you want an
American made frameset for the lowest price, I think you have to look at
Gunnar, made by Waterford in Wisconsin.

Date: 06 Aug 2006 15:00:28
From: Rich Clark
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

<D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch > wrote in message
news:eb57js$uca$1@news.xmission.com...
> ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote:
> Bill, hoping for a straight answer and not a flame war

Just keep in mind that the issues are always more complex than just the
"made in..." label.

Even if the frame is made in the USA, it's likely that virtually everything
else on the bike isn't.

And even if the frame is made in Asia, the process of prepping the frame and
assembling the bike may take place somewhere else, and that may involve so
much of the labor that it determines what the "made in..." label says.
(That's how Treks with Asian frames get to say "made in USA" on them, even
though almost none of the parts actually were.)

And of course there's the question of who gets most of the money. Is the
company American-owned, owned by a multinational, or what?

I'm not arguing any particular side of this discussion, just pointing out
that a "straight answer" can take a very circuitous path.

RichC

Date: 06 Aug 2006 17:50:45
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

In article <eb57js$uca$1@news.xmission.com >, D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch says...
>
> I realize that there's a "Made in" tag on the bikes, albeit often well
> hidden, and I have already discovered for myself that Specialized makes at
> least some of its bikes in Taiwan, while Giant and Raleigh are from China,
> but how about, say, Trek, and Cannondale, and Novara?

Trek's low-end frames are made in Taiwan (such as my Trek 1000 and my wife's
Navigator 200), but they're higher-end stuff is all made in Wisconsin. I think
the web site actually tells you this information on each bike's page.

--

__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)

Date: 06 Aug 2006 12:23:13
From: M. Bakunin
Subject: Re: Country of Origin [was: ...first road bike...]

In article <eb57js$uca$1@news.xmission.com >, D_Frumious_B@ndersnat.ch
wrote:

> least some of its bikes in Taiwan, while Giant and Raleigh are from China,
> but how about, say, Trek, and Cannondale, and Novara? Does anyone have

Some manufacturers must think about people like you when they decide
where their bike will be built according to the ket they target.
One of my bikes is a Cannondale, and has a 'Made in the USA' decal on
the top tube, with the unavoidable flag. One of my brother who lives in
Europe has a Cannondale also. With a small, out of the way, 'Made in
Taiwan' decal. I suppose it's good commercial practice...

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Date: 05 Aug 2006 23:39:14
From: greggery peccary
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

<ma_uro77@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154837969.307937.285060@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>
1. find one with a geometry that fits you comfortably. on paper the
differences dont look like much, but when you feel them makes all the
difference!
2. think about the frame and fork material. talk to folks. depending on what
you want to use it for. dont put out steel until you see what's out there
these days. if REi hadnt replaced my broken aluminum frame for free i'd have
gone back to steel.

Date: 05 Aug 2006 23:27:43
From:
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

Gooserider wrote:
> <ma_uro77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154837969.307937.285060@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>
> That depends on what you intend to do with it. Are you going to race? Are
> you going to want to use it for more than just exercise? Do you want to be
> able to mount a rack to it? Fatter tires?

...no i just want to ride no-competitive races and be competitive with
the other bicycle
riders expecially when we climb the same hard hill...yes i like to beat
them during
uphills.Bye and thank u

Date: 06 Aug 2006 22:32:02
From: Gooserider
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

<ma_uro77@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154845663.765994.201890@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Gooserider wrote:
>> <ma_uro77@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154837969.307937.285060@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
>> > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
>> > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>>
>> That depends on what you intend to do with it. Are you going to race? Are
>> you going to want to use it for more than just exercise? Do you want to
>> be
>> able to mount a rack to it? Fatter tires?
>
> ...no i just want to ride no-competitive races and be competitive with
> the other bicycle
> riders expecially when we climb the same hard hill...yes i like to beat
> them during
> uphills.Bye and thank u

There are several factors involved in being a good climber. Fitness, power,
light body weight. The most important thing to consider when buying a bike
is comfort. A comfortable bike is more enjoyable to ride. Therefore, it will
be ridden more. Don't make the mistake of buying the lightest bike you can
afford and sacrificing comfort, unless you are a flyweight and the only
thing keeping you from being a great climber is the pound or three your bike
gives up to the more expensive ones.

Date: 06 Aug 2006 12:17:57
From: Pat in TX
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

>
> ...no i just want to ride no-competitive races and be competitive with
> the other bicycle
> riders expecially when we climb the same hard hill...yes i like to beat
> them during
> uphills.Bye and thank u

It isn't the bike that gets you up a hill. It's your legs and your lungs and
your brain. Don't start off thinking you can buy a magic bike that will do
all the work.

Pat in TX
>

Date: 01 Oct 2006 20:19:37
From: Steve Daniels
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:17:57 -0500, against all advice, something
compelled "Pat in TX" <Pat@nearnews.com >, to say:

>
>>
>> ...no i just want to ride no-competitive races and be competitive with
>> the other bicycle
>> riders expecially when we climb the same hard hill...yes i like to beat
>> them during
>> uphills.Bye and thank u
>
>It isn't the bike that gets you up a hill. It's your legs and your lungs and
>your brain. Don't start off thinking you can buy a magic bike that will do
>all the work.

Well, you can, but it would be a Harley.

Date: 02 Oct 2006 13:38:04
From: Stephen Harding
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

Steve Daniels wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:17:57 -0500, against all advice, something
> compelled "Pat in TX" <Pat@nearnews.com>, to say:
>
>>>...no i just want to ride no-competitive races and be competitive with
>>>the other bicycle
>>>riders expecially when we climb the same hard hill...yes i like to beat
>>>them during
>>>uphills.Bye and thank u
>>
>>It isn't the bike that gets you up a hill. It's your legs and your lungs and
>>your brain. Don't start off thinking you can buy a magic bike that will do
>>all the work.

Well without the bike it would be walking/running that gets you up
the hill, wouldn't it?

A road bike will get you up the hill easier/faster than a
mountain/hybrid/cruiser/comfort bike for the most part. Those
skinny high pressure tires combined with higher gear ratios
has a way of helping you out a bit.

I know I'm about 1.5 mph faster when I ride my Trek 2000 versus
my heavyweight Trek 520, and even more so versus the MTB.

Don't know if they still make the Trek 1000 but it used to be
considered a decent starter road bike.

If hill climbing is your concern, a triple crank isn't a bad
thing. As I get older, I have more and more appreciation for
three rings! Just be prepared to be scoffed at by the
RealRoadies (tm) if you opt for the triple.

Bianchi and Giant also seem to have some nice entry level
road bikes in triple (or if you're sensitive to derision,
double rings).

SMH

Date: 06 Aug 2006 04:57:28
From: Gooserider
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

Date: 05 Aug 2006 21:36:45
From:
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

sally wrote:
> ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote in news:1154837969.307937.285060
> @h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> > ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> > me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> > Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you
>
> Not much quality difference between brands, especially in that price
> range. Take some test rides and buy whatever fits you best (body
> dimensions and riding style). A good bike shop will help figure out fit
> for you if you are honest with them about what you intend to do with the
> bike.

Thank u very much.I know, because my budget i can buy an aluminium
bike,how much these bike usually weight... ? Thank u

Date: 06 Aug 2006 04:25:33
From: sally
Subject: Re: I want to buy my first road bicycle what do u suggest...?

ma_uro77@yahoo.com wrote in news:1154837969.307937.285060
@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> ...my budget is about 1000 $.Please somebody can help
> me?Treck,Cannondale,Giant,
> Specialized,or what else ...my size is 56...thank you

Not much quality difference between brands, especially in that price
range. Take some test rides and buy whatever fits you best (body
dimensions and riding style). A good bike shop will help figure out fit
for you if you are honest with them about what you intend to do with the
bike.