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Date: 14 Aug 2006 16:01:42
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Subject: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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If you are grossly overweight, face the fact that you were in denial
about gaining all that weight while you were sedentary and eating too
much. Don't stay in denial by claiming you are going to lose the
weight by cycling. Face it, you're not. Take responsibility for what
you did and go on a diet before you start cycling. Lose the weight by
dieting and walking. When you have reduced to a reasonable weight,
then start cycling. Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh 330
lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect everybody to
simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so. I will tell you
you're living in a dream world.
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 10:51:33
From: Will
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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David the Nationals Fan wrote:
> Why? I'm 6' 3" and weigh 320 pounds. And I would guess that I could
> keep up with a good half of the posters on this board. I bicycle to
> and from work (12 - 14 miles) in each direction at an average speed in
> traffic of about 16 mph, which means I am constantly riding at 20 mph
> or more.
Might be good to check the calibration on your cycle computer <g >. For
instance, when I switched from knobbies to slicks on a trail bike, my
commute didn't change, but the circumference of the wheel+tire did. It
makes a difference. Suddenly the commute was longer.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 15:40:46
From: gds
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> gds wrote:
>
> > I'm not going to get into the discussion of the morality of weight.
>
> The "morality of weight"?!? What, like, eating more than one's fair share?
>
> What do you mean by that?
I mean that I don't want to get involved in the name calling, mean
spirited "discussion."
But a question. Forget obesity, what is one's fair share? Is an athlete
entitled to a larger fair share because he burns up more. Is an
American entitled to a larger fair share because he can?
Fair share is a very complicated question.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 22:46:16
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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gds wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> gds wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not going to get into the discussion of the morality of weight.
>>
>> The "morality of weight"?!? What, like, eating more than one's fair
>> share?
>>
>> What do you mean by that?
>
> I mean that I don't want to get involved in the name calling, mean
> spirited "discussion."
>
> But a question. Forget obesity, what is one's fair share? Is an
> athlete entitled to a larger fair share because he burns up more. Is
> an American entitled to a larger fair share because he can?
>
> Fair share is a very complicated question.
You're the one who used the expression "the morality of weight". Just
wanted to know what you meant by that.
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 12:11:15
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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Bill Sornson wrote:
:: gds wrote:
::: Bill Sornson wrote:
:::: gds wrote:
::::
::::: I'm not going to get into the discussion of the morality of
::::: weight.
::::
:::: The "morality of weight"?!? What, like, eating more than one's
:::: fair share?
::::
:::: What do you mean by that?
:::
::: I mean that I don't want to get involved in the name calling, mean
::: spirited "discussion."
:::
::: But a question. Forget obesity, what is one's fair share? Is an
::: athlete entitled to a larger fair share because he burns up more. Is
::: an American entitled to a larger fair share because he can?
:::
::: Fair share is a very complicated question.
::
:: You're the one who used the expression "the morality of weight".
:: Just wanted to know what you meant by that.
I think he meant "the mortality of weight", perhaps.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 13:37:39
From: Colorado Bicycler
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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An appropriate bike can take a lot of strain off of joints that are
always stressed in a morbidly obese person. This allows them to get
the exercise without so much wear and tear on the body. In this way,
bicycling is IDEAL for exercising if you are quite fat.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 10:11:18
From: gds
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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David the Nationals Fan wrote:
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> Why? I'm 6' 3" and weigh 320 pounds. And I would guess that I could
> keep up with a good half of the posters on this board. I bicycle to
> and from work (12 - 14 miles) in each direction at an average speed in
> traffic of about 16 mph, which means I am constantly riding at 20 mph
> or more. On the weekends I ofter ride centuries. Do I need to lose
> weight? You bet. But the bicycling means that I have low blood
> pressure, high good chloresterol, low bad chloresterol and a resting
> pulse which is low normal.
I'm not going to get into the discussion of the morality of weight. But
I will proffer the opinion that given the various numbers that you
present I have a hard time believing you.
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 12:08:26
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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gds wrote:
:: David the Nationals Fan wrote:
::::
::: Why? I'm 6' 3" and weigh 320 pounds. And I would guess that I
::: could keep up with a good half of the posters on this board. I
::: bicycle to and from work (12 - 14 miles) in each direction at an
::: average speed in traffic of about 16 mph, which means I am
::: constantly riding at 20 mph or more. On the weekends I ofter ride
::: centuries. Do I need to lose weight? You bet. But the bicycling
::: means that I have low blood pressure, high good chloresterol, low
::: bad chloresterol and a resting pulse which is low normal.
::
:: I'm not going to get into the discussion of the morality of weight.
:: But I will proffer the opinion that given the various numbers that
:: you present I have a hard time believing you.
Believing what? Which part? Without knowing his age, I see no reason not
to believe him.
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 12:34:27
From: recycled-one
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:12eedrtoffjh086@news.supernews.com...
> gds wrote:
> :: David the Nationals Fan wrote:
> ::::
> ::: Why? I'm 6' 3" and weigh 320 pounds. And I would guess that I
> ::: could keep up with a good half of the posters on this board. I
> ::: bicycle to and from work (12 - 14 miles) in each direction at an
> ::: average speed in traffic of about 16 mph, which means I am
> ::: constantly riding at 20 mph or more. On the weekends I often ride
> ::: centuries. Do I need to lose weight? You bet. But the bicycling
> ::: means that I have low blood pressure, high good cholesterol, low
> ::: bad cholesterol and a resting pulse which is low normal.
> ::
> :: I'm not going to get into the discussion of the morality of weight.
> :: But I will proffer the opinion that given the various numbers that
> :: you present I have a hard time believing you.
>
> Believing what? Which part? Without knowing his age, I see no reason not
> to believe him.
Put me down as sceptical. It is possible someone could be fit enough at
6'3" 320 lbs to keep the pace described but unless all that weight is solid
muscle I'm doubtful. And even then I'd still be doubtful.
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Date: 19 Aug 2006 14:32:02
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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recycled-one <u-lock@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> Put me down as sceptical. It is possible someone could be fit enough at
> 6'3" 320 lbs to keep the pace described but unless all that weight is solid
> muscle I'm doubtful. And even then I'd still be doubtful.
It's possible (perhaps improbable), enough so I think it's worth giving
him the benefit of the doubt. Assuming he's a Nationals fan because
he's from DC, keep in mind that DC is fairly flat, which *really* helps
with keeping your average speed up.
Even when I was a lot heavier, I could go pretty fast, even for a decent
distance. It was chugging up the hills that killed me.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"When telling a story, effect trumps truth."
-Slovotsky's Law #20
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 22:32:43
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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gds wrote:
> I'm not going to get into the discussion of the morality of weight.
The "morality of weight"?!? What, like, eating more than one's fair share?
What do you mean by that?
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 12:33:03
From: Will
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
Why don't you stop making excuses for people who don't even care enough
about their own health to adopt a healthy lifestyle because they're too
lazy?
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Seem to me the individual who started this discussion posted for advice
on bikes, because he wanted to exercise and he wanted to lose weight.
He was upfront about his weight because he considered it a factor in
choosing an appropriate bicycle.
You chose not to provide bike recco's. Instead you called him a lazy
SOB with escapist weight loss fantasies.
So now that you've administered the "stick" for about 8 posts here,
telling people the truth, etc...let's see the carrot. How about
revealing the bike you think an out of shape, but motivated, individual
should buy.
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 10:11:05
From: John Kane
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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Ernie Willson wrote:
> Mike Ellis (news) wrote:
> > I started cycling 2 years ago at a weight of about 300 pounds. I started
> > as I was out of work at the time and thought I would do some short
> > (approx. 5 mile) rides to pass the time of day. I soon noticed that this
> > was causing me to loose a bit of weight so I decided that I ought to
> > reduce my calorie consumption to do the job properly. 2 years later & I
> > now weigh in at a much more healthy 175 pounds. I now cycle part of my
> > journey to work & back a distance of about 30 miles daily. 2 years ago I
> > would have thought that anyone who did those kind of mile must be mad or
> > super fit, now I just take it as part of my exercise routine. So as long
> > as you take it easy at the beginning there is no need to loose weight
> > before taking up cycling.
> >
> >
> You are to be congratulated! Sometimes it takes exercise to get the
> metabolism going.
>
> I have lost 60 lb and dropped my blood pressure about 40 points by
> cycling ten miles a day .
>
> Some people simply eat too much, however, I will never understand how
> someone can be so judgmental as to always blame someones overweight
> condition on lack of willpower. These ignorant people make no allowance
> for individual metabolism, genetics, the effects of medications, people
> suffering from depression etc. Most of these conditions are beyond the
> control of an individual and certain characteristics like metabolism and
> depression are inherited.
>
> I am sure that the many of same people will blame someone for being an
> alcoholic. Believe me no one wants to be fat, and no one wants to be an
> alcoholic. Alcoholism is a disease, generally beyond the control of the
> individual....but I digress.
>
> ISTM that the medical profession is just beginning to understand the
> mechanisms of overweight. Perhaps they will sort it out in the next
> twenty years or so.
>
> I well remember when the medical profession (in general) would not
> acknowledge that the propensity for having diabetes was inherited. At
> the same time (mid 1960's, Viet Nam conflict) the US Army would not take
> a good friend of mine because both of his parents had diabetes. They
> told him that they would not take him because he had a big chance of
> getting Diabetes and the government didn't want to have a diabetic
> soldier on its hands. Go Figure!
>
> He died of Diabetes.
>
> EJ in NJ
And something that the OP seems to have totally missed is that the most
recent evidene sayst that even if exercise does not help a person lose
weight, it tends to make a person healther, and here I mean what most
cyclists would consider almost negligible exercise. So waiting until
one loses weight to start exercising is reallly stupid.
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 08:24:37
From:
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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"Some people simply eat too much, however, I will never understand how
someone can be so judgmental as to always blame someones overweight
condition on lack of willpower."
Have you ever heard of the concepts of eating less, and pushing
yourself away from the dinner table as an exercise routine?
"These ignorant people make no allowance for individual metabolism,
genetics, the effects of medications, people suffering from depression
etc. Most of these conditions are beyond the control of an individual
and certain characteristics like metabolism and
depression are inherited."
What BULLSHIT! Yeah, a fat person's metabolism is slowed down because
they're so fat, and everything they eat turns into fat because they
need virtually no calories to maintain their body heat. Depression
beyond the control of the individual? Jesus, what is the matter with
you? Don't you realize that people can figure out why they're
depressed and do something about it? Usually fat people are depressed
because they're fat and ugly and nobody wants to have anything to do
with them. Also, because they get no exercise, their serotonin and
beta-endorphin levels are depressed. What in the hell do you mean that
these things are inherited? Of course they're not!
"I am sure that the many of same people will blame someone for being an
alcoholic. Believe me no one wants to be fat, and no one wants to be an
alcoholic. Alcoholism is a disease, generally beyond the control of the
individual....but I digress."
You're setting up a straw man. Of course no one WANTS to be fat or an
alcoholic. The issue is whether they have the willpower to change
their lifestyle or not. You are basically saying that nobody has any
willpower. Speak for yourself, weak sister! Millions of alcoholics
have stopped drinking by exercising mere willpower, and they did it
without joining that Alcoholics Anonymous cult, too.
"ISTM that the medical profession is just beginning to understand the
mechanisms of overweight. Perhaps they will sort it out in the next
twenty years or so."
Not true. The law of conservation of energy has been known for
hundreds of years. If you don't eat the calories, you don't gain the
weight. Combine diet with exercise and you lose the weight faster.
It's just that simple. The people you are talking about WANT to stay
fat because they are too lazy to change their lifestyle, and they are
on SSD or SSI and want to remain on it rather than working. Doctors
have found that it is useless to tell these people to diet and lose
weight because they basically don't WANT to lose weight, and they will
ignore the doctor's advice.
"I well remember when the medical profession (in general) would not
acknowledge that the propensity for having diabetes was inherited. At
the same time (mid 1960's, Viet Nam conflict) the US Army would not
take a good friend of mine because both of his parents had diabetes.
They told him that they would not take him because he had a big chance
of getting Diabetes and the government didn't want to have a diabetic
soldier on its hands. Go Figure! He died of Diabetes."
There's nothing to figure. The Army was right. He could have
controlled his diabetes with diet and exercise, however. The reason
the medical profession didn't recognize the heritability of diabetes
for a long time was because behavior modification so greatly outweighs
the inherited tendency.
Why don't you stop making excuses for people who don't even care enough
about their own health to adopt a healthy lifestyle because they're too
lazy? If they don't even care about THEIR OWN health, why should you
make excuses for them? Go tilt at windmills for awhile instead, OK?
It's people like you who mollycoddle the obese, and let them think it's
OK to remain that way. Contrary to your obvious beliefs, you are not
helping them by making excuses for them. You're hurting them.
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Date: 18 Aug 2006 18:09:44
From: Dennis P. Harris
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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On 16 Aug 2006 08:24:37 -0700 in rec.bicycles.misc,
folson@innercite.com wrote:
> Don't you realize that people can figure out why they're
> depressed and do something about it? Usually fat people are depressed
> because they're fat and ugly and nobody wants to have anything to do
> with them. Also, because they get no exercise, their serotonin and
> beta-endorphin levels are depressed. What in the hell do you mean that
> these things are inherited? Of course they're not!
depression is a mental illness that is indeed caused by brain
chemistry, and it is now proven that a tendency to bipolar
illness as a well as extreme depression are both inherited. you
are spouting totally uninformed nonsense based on your personal
belief, not on facts.
but judgemental idiots like you should be killfiled, along with
stupid threads like this.
PLONK. PLONK.
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 21:01:30
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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What is your problem with fat people, dude. Such loathing is not natural.
Did a fat person do something mean to you when you were a kid? What the OP
thinks about the reason fat people are fat has nothing to do with whether
they lose weight or not.
folson@innercite.com wrote:
::
:: Have you ever heard of the concepts of eating less, and pushing
:: yourself away from the dinner table as an exercise routine?
::
::
:: What BULLSHIT! Yeah, a fat person's metabolism is slowed down
:: because they're so fat, and everything they eat turns into fat
:: because they need virtually no calories to maintain their body heat.
:: Depression beyond the control of the individual? Jesus, what is the
:: matter with you? Don't you realize that people can figure out why
:: they're depressed and do something about it? Usually fat people are
:: depressed because they're fat and ugly and nobody wants to have
:: anything to do with them. Also, because they get no exercise, their
:: serotonin and beta-endorphin levels are depressed. What in the hell
:: do you mean that these things are inherited? Of course they're not!
::
::
:: You're setting up a straw man. Of course no one WANTS to be fat or
:: an alcoholic. The issue is whether they have the willpower to change
:: their lifestyle or not. You are basically saying that nobody has any
:: willpower. Speak for yourself, weak sister! Millions of alcoholics
:: have stopped drinking by exercising mere willpower, and they did it
:: without joining that Alcoholics Anonymous cult, too.
::
::
:: Not true. The law of conservation of energy has been known for
:: hundreds of years. If you don't eat the calories, you don't gain the
:: weight. Combine diet with exercise and you lose the weight faster.
:: It's just that simple. The people you are talking about WANT to stay
:: fat because they are too lazy to change their lifestyle, and they are
:: on SSD or SSI and want to remain on it rather than working. Doctors
:: have found that it is useless to tell these people to diet and lose
:: weight because they basically don't WANT to lose weight, and they
:: will ignore the doctor's advice.
::
::
:: There's nothing to figure. The Army was right. He could have
:: controlled his diabetes with diet and exercise, however. The reason
:: the medical profession didn't recognize the heritability of diabetes
:: for a long time was because behavior modification so greatly
:: outweighs the inherited tendency.
::
:: Why don't you stop making excuses for people who don't even care
:: enough about their own health to adopt a healthy lifestyle because
:: they're too lazy? If they don't even care about THEIR OWN health,
:: why should you make excuses for them? Go tilt at windmills for
:: awhile instead, OK? It's people like you who mollycoddle the obese,
:: and let them think it's OK to remain that way. Contrary to your
:: obvious beliefs, you are not helping them by making excuses for
:: them. You're hurting them.
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Date: 17 Aug 2006 07:51:04
From: Roger Houston
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:12e7fvdfijuvi19@news.supernews.com...
> What is your problem with fat people, dude.
This reminds me of something Churchill is supposed to have said. A member
of Parliament, Bessie Braddock, caught him a bit shitfaced. "Why, Sir
Winston, I believe you are drunk!" To which Churchill replied, "Indeed, I
am drunk. And you are ugly. However, in the morning, I shall be sober".
Fat people can lose weight, and I've seen many do so. But I've met very few
reformed former asshats.
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 12:00:36
From: Ernie Willson
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
> "Some people simply eat too much, however, I will never understand how
> someone can be so judgmental as to always blame someones overweight
> condition on lack of willpower."
>
> Have you ever heard of the concepts of eating less, and pushing
> yourself away from the dinner table as an exercise routine?
>
> "These ignorant people make no allowance for individual metabolism,
> genetics, the effects of medications, people suffering from depression
> etc. Most of these conditions are beyond the control of an individual
> and certain characteristics like metabolism and
> depression are inherited."
>
> What BULLSHIT! Yeah, a fat person's metabolism is slowed down because
> they're so fat, and everything they eat turns into fat because they
> need virtually no calories to maintain their body heat. Depression
> beyond the control of the individual? Jesus, what is the matter with
> you? Don't you realize that people can figure out why they're
> depressed and do something about it? Usually fat people are depressed
> because they're fat and ugly and nobody wants to have anything to do
> with them. Also, because they get no exercise, their serotonin and
> beta-endorphin levels are depressed. What in the hell do you mean that
> these things are inherited? Of course they're not!
>
> "I am sure that the many of same people will blame someone for being an
> alcoholic. Believe me no one wants to be fat, and no one wants to be an
> alcoholic. Alcoholism is a disease, generally beyond the control of the
> individual....but I digress."
>
> You're setting up a straw man. Of course no one WANTS to be fat or an
> alcoholic. The issue is whether they have the willpower to change
> their lifestyle or not. You are basically saying that nobody has any
> willpower. Speak for yourself, weak sister! Millions of alcoholics
> have stopped drinking by exercising mere willpower, and they did it
> without joining that Alcoholics Anonymous cult, too.
>
> "ISTM that the medical profession is just beginning to understand the
> mechanisms of overweight. Perhaps they will sort it out in the next
> twenty years or so."
>
> Not true. The law of conservation of energy has been known for
> hundreds of years. If you don't eat the calories, you don't gain the
> weight. Combine diet with exercise and you lose the weight faster.
> It's just that simple. The people you are talking about WANT to stay
> fat because they are too lazy to change their lifestyle, and they are
> on SSD or SSI and want to remain on it rather than working. Doctors
> have found that it is useless to tell these people to diet and lose
> weight because they basically don't WANT to lose weight, and they will
> ignore the doctor's advice.
>
> "I well remember when the medical profession (in general) would not
> acknowledge that the propensity for having diabetes was inherited. At
> the same time (mid 1960's, Viet Nam conflict) the US Army would not
> take a good friend of mine because both of his parents had diabetes.
> They told him that they would not take him because he had a big chance
> of getting Diabetes and the government didn't want to have a diabetic
> soldier on its hands. Go Figure! He died of Diabetes."
>
> There's nothing to figure. The Army was right. He could have
> controlled his diabetes with diet and exercise, however. The reason
> the medical profession didn't recognize the heritability of diabetes
> for a long time was because behavior modification so greatly outweighs
> the inherited tendency.
>
> Why don't you stop making excuses for people who don't even care enough
> about their own health to adopt a healthy lifestyle because they're too
> lazy? If they don't even care about THEIR OWN health, why should you
> make excuses for them? Go tilt at windmills for awhile instead, OK?
> It's people like you who mollycoddle the obese, and let them think it's
> OK to remain that way. Contrary to your obvious beliefs, you are not
> helping them by making excuses for them. You're hurting them.
>
Thank you for your enlightened opinion. Dunce
EJ in NJ
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 16:41:02
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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Ernie Willson wrote:
> folson@innercite.com wrote:
>> Have you ever heard of the concepts of eating less, and pushing
>> yourself away from the dinner table as an exercise routine?
{tons of judgmental AND incorrect crap snipped}
> Thank you for your enlightened opinion. Dunce
> EJ in NJ
folson is a fool son. HTH
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 19:21:42
From:
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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I can't believe the negative feedback for someone that has intentions
or dreams or goals of losing weight by bicycling. Contrary to ignorant
belief, not everyone loses weight by diet. If you're that insecure
about your own self-perception don't take it out on someone trying to
better themselves. Perhaps you should face some facts yourself.
folson@innercite.com wrote:
> If you are grossly overweight, face the fact that you were in denial
> about gaining all that weight while you were sedentary and eating too
> much. Don't stay in denial by claiming you are going to lose the
> weight by cycling. Face it, you're not. Take responsibility for what
> you did and go on a diet before you start cycling. Lose the weight by
> dieting and walking. When you have reduced to a reasonable weight,
> then start cycling. Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh 330
> lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect everybody to
> simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so. I will tell you
> you're living in a dream world.
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 06:54:12
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
> If you are grossly overweight, face the fact that you were in denial
> about gaining all that weight while you were sedentary and eating too
> much. Don't stay in denial by claiming you are going to lose the
> weight by cycling. Face it, you're not. Take responsibility for what
> you did and go on a diet before you start cycling. Lose the weight by
> dieting and walking. When you have reduced to a reasonable weight,
> then start cycling. Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh 330
> lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect everybody to
> simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so. I will tell you
> you're living in a dream world.
>
You flunked your Dale Carnegie course. A person has to start somewhere.
Everybody knows that obesity is a vicious cycle, but it is not at
all unusual for cyclists to have lost a lot of weight. Not everyone
here weighs 160 lbs. A good deal of the attraction for a lot of us is
that we lost weight after starting to ride. It is a lot easier to pass
up that fattening dessert or order of fries when you figure how many
miles you have to ride in order to ride it off. Cycling helps reinforce
the behavior modification needed to lose and keep off the weight.
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 08:30:45
From: dgk
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:54:12 -0500, catzz66
<catzz66@threeletterservice.com > wrote:
>folson@innercite.com wrote:
>> If you are grossly overweight, face the fact that you were in denial
>> about gaining all that weight while you were sedentary and eating too
>> much. Don't stay in denial by claiming you are going to lose the
>> weight by cycling. Face it, you're not. Take responsibility for what
>> you did and go on a diet before you start cycling. Lose the weight by
>> dieting and walking. When you have reduced to a reasonable weight,
>> then start cycling. Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh 330
>> lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect everybody to
>> simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so. I will tell you
>> you're living in a dream world.
>>
>
>
>You flunked your Dale Carnegie course. A person has to start somewhere.
> Everybody knows that obesity is a vicious cycle, but it is not at
>all unusual for cyclists to have lost a lot of weight. Not everyone
>here weighs 160 lbs. A good deal of the attraction for a lot of us is
>that we lost weight after starting to ride. It is a lot easier to pass
>up that fattening dessert or order of fries when you figure how many
>miles you have to ride in order to ride it off. Cycling helps reinforce
>the behavior modification needed to lose and keep off the weight.
It's depressing to realize how far we have to bike just to lose a bowl
of ice cream.
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 15:49:35
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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dgk wrote:
:: It's depressing to realize how far we have to bike just to lose a
:: bowl of ice cream.
The good news is that it's not nearly as far for someone who weighs 300+ lbs
and who uses diet to help build up a calorie deficit. But, I do very much
get your point! That why I ride first and eat after! :)
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 15:13:45
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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dgk wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 06:54:12 -0500, catzz66
> <catzz66@threeletterservice.com> wrote:
>
>> folson@innercite.com wrote:
>>> If you are grossly overweight, face the fact that you were in denial
>>> about gaining all that weight while you were sedentary and eating
>>> too much. Don't stay in denial by claiming you are going to lose
>>> the weight by cycling. Face it, you're not. Take responsibility
>>> for what you did and go on a diet before you start cycling. Lose
>>> the weight by dieting and walking. When you have reduced to a
>>> reasonable weight, then start cycling. Don't get on here and tell
>>> everybody you weigh 330 lbs., that you are going to lose it by
>>> cycling, and expect everybody to simply accept what you say. I,
>>> for one, won't do so. I will tell you you're living in a dream
>>> world.
>>>
>>
>>
>> You flunked your Dale Carnegie course. A person has to start
>> somewhere. Everybody knows that obesity is a vicious cycle, but
>> it is not at
>> all unusual for cyclists to have lost a lot of weight. Not everyone
>> here weighs 160 lbs. A good deal of the attraction for a lot of us
>> is that we lost weight after starting to ride. It is a lot easier
>> to pass up that fattening dessert or order of fries when you figure
>> how many miles you have to ride in order to ride it off. Cycling
>> helps reinforce the behavior modification needed to lose and keep
>> off the weight.
>
> It's depressing to realize how far we have to bike just to lose a bowl
> of ice cream.
Turn it on its head: I get to eat ice cream /because/ I did a hard 40 miles
today!
It's called rationalization and self-delusion. Works for me! <eg >
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 02:21:39
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
> If you are grossly overweight, face the fact that you were in denial
> about gaining all that weight while you were sedentary and eating too
> much. Don't stay in denial by claiming you are going to lose the
> weight by cycling. Face it, you're not. Take responsibility for what
> you did and go on a diet before you start cycling. Lose the weight by
> dieting and walking. When you have reduced to a reasonable weight,
> then start cycling. Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh
> 330 lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect
> everybody to simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so. I
> will tell you you're living in a dream world.
Do you have ANY idea how many heavy people cycle for exercise, enjoyment, OR
to lose weight? Cyling, in fact, is one of the very BEST ways for
overweight people to be active and increase their fitness.
Go away, "folson". Come back...two years.
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 07:26:22
From: NanC
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh
>> 330 lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect
>> everybody to simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so. I
>> will tell you you're living in a dream world.
>
>Do you have ANY idea how many heavy people cycle for exercise, enjoyment, OR
>to lose weight? Cyling, in fact, is one of the very BEST ways for
>overweight people to be active and increase their fitness.
>
Maybe there is a point though. Someone who is morbidly obese may do
better to start losing a bit and getting down to "Heavy" before
plunging into an exercise regimen from a sedentary lifestyle. I
am..OK..heavy. Not as much as before I cycled, but imagine how
someone feels who gets on a bike with the best intentions, weighing
330#. To start exercising with 150-200# of ballast is a discouraging
thing, and one should verify their cardiovascular system is up to the
task first. We all learn right away that beginning to cycle can get
you quite far away from home, and then in real trouble, because you
find to your despair that you must go all the way back.
On our rides, we will often see exercise equipment like treadmills,
etc., in new condition, left out with the rubbish or for sale on
lawns.
This discouragement factor is the reason why. At least if someone
hits the wall in their living room, they do not have to pedal back.
Some of these people could DIE in these situations.
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 16:01:39
From: DougC
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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NanC wrote:
>
> Maybe there is a point though. Someone who is morbidly obese may do
> better to start losing a bit and getting down to "Heavy" before
> plunging into an exercise regimen from a sedentary lifestyle ......
Your cautions against early overexertion aren't unwise--but the
practical problem is that it is much easier to lose weight with exercise
than without.
------
One definite matter is that upright bicycles are /terrible/ for
overweight people. Helping someone in that condition pick an "upright"
bicycle isn't really helping them at all. The pain that comes with
riding an upright seat is bad for thin people, but increases quickly as
rider weight goes up.
Someone very overweight needs a recumbent delta trike like a Sun EZ-3 (
http://www.sunbicycles.com/sun/recumbents/ez3/ez3.htm ), they can get on
and off it easily and go as slow as they need to. If a person is well
OVER 300 lbs, Lightfoot Cycles builds some bikes and trikes for people
with fairly astonishing proportions: see
http://www.lightfootcycles.com/big_tall.htm
~~~~~~
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 15:47:33
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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NanC wrote:
:: Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh
:::: 330 lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect
:::: everybody to simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so.
:::: I will tell you you're living in a dream world.
:::
::: Do you have ANY idea how many heavy people cycle for exercise,
::: enjoyment, OR to lose weight? Cyling, in fact, is one of the very
::: BEST ways for overweight people to be active and increase their
::: fitness.
:::
:: Maybe there is a point though. Someone who is morbidly obese may do
:: better to start losing a bit and getting down to "Heavy" before
:: plunging into an exercise regimen from a sedentary lifestyle. I
:: am..OK..heavy. Not as much as before I cycled, but imagine how
:: someone feels who gets on a bike with the best intentions, weighing
:: 330#. To start exercising with 150-200# of ballast is a discouraging
:: thing, and one should verify their cardiovascular system is up to the
:: task first. We all learn right away that beginning to cycle can get
:: you quite far away from home, and then in real trouble, because you
:: find to your despair that you must go all the way back.
:: On our rides, we will often see exercise equipment like treadmills,
:: etc., in new condition, left out with the rubbish or for sale on
:: lawns.
:: This discouragement factor is the reason why. At least if someone
:: hits the wall in their living room, they do not have to pedal back.
:: Some of these people could DIE in these situations.
Come now....you don't read Buycycling mag? They'd done stories on guys who
have lost significant weight while cycling and also tell about guys who are
heavy and cycle. Give people some credit....if you're extremely overweight
you very likely won't be able to just all of a sudden cycle 50 miles away
from home. One can easily start out with short mileage while dieting and
USE cycling as an aid for weight loss. There is no real reason to avoid an
activity that is low impact and fun, unless one has prior health issues.
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 22:04:08
From: Mike Ellis (news)
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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I started cycling 2 years ago at a weight of about 300 pounds. I started
as I was out of work at the time and thought I would do some short
(approx. 5 mile) rides to pass the time of day. I soon noticed that this
was causing me to loose a bit of weight so I decided that I ought to
reduce my calorie consumption to do the job properly. 2 years later & I
now weigh in at a much more healthy 175 pounds. I now cycle part of my
journey to work & back a distance of about 30 miles daily. 2 years ago I
would have thought that anyone who did those kind of mile must be mad or
super fit, now I just take it as part of my exercise routine. So as long
as you take it easy at the beginning there is no need to loose weight
before taking up cycling.
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 08:41:18
From: Ernie Willson
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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Mike Ellis (news) wrote:
> I started cycling 2 years ago at a weight of about 300 pounds. I started
> as I was out of work at the time and thought I would do some short
> (approx. 5 mile) rides to pass the time of day. I soon noticed that this
> was causing me to loose a bit of weight so I decided that I ought to
> reduce my calorie consumption to do the job properly. 2 years later & I
> now weigh in at a much more healthy 175 pounds. I now cycle part of my
> journey to work & back a distance of about 30 miles daily. 2 years ago I
> would have thought that anyone who did those kind of mile must be mad or
> super fit, now I just take it as part of my exercise routine. So as long
> as you take it easy at the beginning there is no need to loose weight
> before taking up cycling.
>
>
You are to be congratulated! Sometimes it takes exercise to get the
metabolism going.
I have lost 60 lb and dropped my blood pressure about 40 points by
cycling ten miles a day .
Some people simply eat too much, however, I will never understand how
someone can be so judgmental as to always blame someones overweight
condition on lack of willpower. These ignorant people make no allowance
for individual metabolism, genetics, the effects of medications, people
suffering from depression etc. Most of these conditions are beyond the
control of an individual and certain characteristics like metabolism and
depression are inherited.
I am sure that the many of same people will blame someone for being an
alcoholic. Believe me no one wants to be fat, and no one wants to be an
alcoholic. Alcoholism is a disease, generally beyond the control of the
individual....but I digress.
ISTM that the medical profession is just beginning to understand the
mechanisms of overweight. Perhaps they will sort it out in the next
twenty years or so.
I well remember when the medical profession (in general) would not
acknowledge that the propensity for having diabetes was inherited. At
the same time (mid 1960's, Viet Nam conflict) the US Army would not take
a good friend of mine because both of his parents had diabetes. They
told him that they would not take him because he had a big chance of
getting Diabetes and the government didn't want to have a diabetic
soldier on its hands. Go Figure!
He died of Diabetes.
EJ in NJ
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Date: 16 Aug 2006 05:16:27
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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Way to go, Mike!!!
Mike Ellis (news) wrote:
:: I started cycling 2 years ago at a weight of about 300 pounds. I
:: started
:: as I was out of work at the time and thought I would do some short
:: (approx. 5 mile) rides to pass the time of day. I soon noticed that
:: this was causing me to loose a bit of weight so I decided that I
:: ought to reduce my calorie consumption to do the job properly. 2
:: years later & I now weigh in at a much more healthy 175 pounds. I
:: now cycle part of my journey to work & back a distance of about 30
:: miles daily. 2 years ago I would have thought that anyone who did
:: those kind of mile must be mad or super fit, now I just take it as
:: part of my exercise routine. So as long as you take it easy at the
:: beginning there is no need to loose weight before taking up cycling.
::
::
:: --
:: The email address is only valid until the end of next month. If you
:: need to contact me after that then please use
:: http://cgi.mellis.force9.co.uk/mailme.php
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 21:13:48
From: Pat in TX
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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<folson@innercite.com > wrote in message
news:1155596501.998424.304380@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> If you are grossly overweight, face the fact that you were in denial
> about gaining all that weight while you were sedentary and eating too
> much. Don't stay in denial by claiming you are going to lose the
> weight by cycling. Face it, you're not. Take responsibility for what
> you did and go on a diet before you start cycling. Lose the weight by
> dieting and walking. When you have reduced to a reasonable weight,
> then start cycling. Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh 330
> lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect everybody to
> simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so. I will tell you
> you're living in a dream world.
>
All right for the positive, supporting post! You really thought that one
through, didn't you! We can't have any overweight cyclists out there--in
fact, we'd rather keep people from enjoying our sport rather than let one
with excess pounds have any fun at all! BTW: how much do you weigh, idiot?
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Date: 15 Aug 2006 13:48:32
From: Fred
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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<folson@innercite.com > wrote in message
news:1155596501.998424.304380@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> If you are grossly overweight, face the fact that you were in denial
> about gaining all that weight while you were sedentary and eating too
> much. Don't stay in denial by claiming you are going to lose the
> weight by cycling. Face it, you're not.
That would be hard to prove!
Take responsibility for what you did and go on a diet before you start
cycling. Lose the weight by
> dieting and walking. When you have reduced to a reasonable weight,
> then start cycling.
Rubbish - just don't go over doing it at the start.
Don't get on here and tell everybody you weigh 330
> lbs., that you are going to lose it by cycling, and expect everybody to
> simply accept what you say. I, for one, won't do so.
It doesn't matter what you believe.
I will tell you
> you're living in a dream world.
So what. Who cares?
>
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 16:35:16
From: Bill H.
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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folson@innercite.com wrote:
> I will tell you you're living in a dream world.
A "dream world" is right. A dream world of crispy bacon, cheddar
cheese, and Hostess Cream-filled pies!!
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Date: 14 Aug 2006 19:00:11
From: Hell and High Water
Subject: Re: If You're Really Fat, Diet and Lose Weight Before You Start Cycling
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In article <1155598516.887696.169840@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >,
billhen@gmail.com says...
>
> folson@innercite.com wrote:
> > I will tell you you're living in a dream world.
>
> A "dream world" is right. A dream world of crispy bacon, cheddar
> cheese, and Hostess Cream-filled pies!!
<mode=Homer Simpson >
mmmmm... Cream-filled pies....
gggrrrrr...
</mode >
-Bob
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