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Date: 02 Sep 2006 21:04:40
From: Earl Bollinger
Subject: Iowa Roads with Lane dividers?
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Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa, and the
four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of each of the
lanes.
Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in the
1950's 1960's era.
Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this similar
road with lane dividers
http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider in each
lane.
My boss had let us off early Friday for the holiday, so instead of going
home right away, I went on a little 40 mile bike ride, for the fun of it.
What the heck, the family thinks I was working. :-) Ifg I went home early
the "honey do's" would have been rampant.
But when I ran across this road, it had me wondering about the other
person's recollections. Maybe he wasn't going senile just yet.
I had done a little urban bike ride here in Texas, I left Addison, headed
through North Dallas, then into Richardson and back into North Dallas, and
down the White Rock Creek Trail to White Rock Lake, and did a lap around the
Lake, when I saw this lane divided road which is closed to motor vehicles
now.
Anyway on a Friday afternoon, almost no people at the lake, so it was
great, no traffic no people, almost all to myself then. But on the weekends
that lake area is jammed packed with thousands of people, running, walking,
riding, and then the huge crowds at the charity walkathons and runs too.
It was almost nirvana being there when it is all empty.
On the way back to the office (we actually have a office gym with showers
too), I was getting pretty cooked in the 100 degree heat, so I stopped off
and took a break at a little kiddie water park and got myself all wetted
down real good. It made the last few miles back in nice then.
It was another one of those days where all the motorists are so polite, it
makes you feel good and weird at the same time. It is hard to get used to
it, when only a year and a half or so ago motorists seemed to be so hostile
at the time. I would come up to a busy 4 way stop sign intersection and
everyone would wave me through first. People would be nice and wait at the
stop lights (long cycle ones too) in order to trip the lights for me so I
could go through. it was great.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:03:31
From: Mike A Schwab
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=lt&doc_id=1089&v=fu
Bill Baka wrote:
> At least you still have an old 66. I was in Flagstaff, Arizona a few
> years back looking for a rather unique motel I stayed in when I came to
> California with my parents in 1963, and since interstate 40 was put in,
> nobody had a clue what I was looking for. 40 years changes a whole lot
> of things. Traveling the old route 66 (if I can find it) is something I
> would like to do someday, and explore the ghost towns caused by 40 being
> put in place.
> Bill Baka
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 18:32:39
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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Mike A Schwab wrote:
> http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?o=lt&doc_id=1089&v=fu
>
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> At least you still have an old 66. I was in Flagstaff, Arizona a few
>> years back looking for a rather unique motel I stayed in when I came to
>> California with my parents in 1963, and since interstate 40 was put in,
>> nobody had a clue what I was looking for. 40 years changes a whole lot
>> of things. Traveling the old route 66 (if I can find it) is something I
>> would like to do someday, and explore the ghost towns caused by 40 being
>> put in place.
>> Bill Baka
>
Yeah,
I figured it was still there in some form or another but many of the
younger locals either don't know about it or just don't get out much.
There were some really nasty mountain passes I remember and I have to
wonder if they are maintained at all or just ignored.
Bill Baka
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 09:24:07
From: n5hsr
Subject: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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"Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa, and
> the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of each of
> the lanes.
> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in the
> 1950's 1960's era.
>
> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
> similar road with lane dividers
> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider in
> each lane.
>
> My boss had let us off early Friday for the holiday, so instead of going
> home right away, I went on a little 40 mile bike ride, for the fun of it.
> What the heck, the family thinks I was working. :-) Ifg I went home early
> the "honey do's" would have been rampant.
> But when I ran across this road, it had me wondering about the other
> person's recollections. Maybe he wasn't going senile just yet.
>
> I had done a little urban bike ride here in Texas, I left Addison, headed
> through North Dallas, then into Richardson and back into North Dallas, and
> down the White Rock Creek Trail to White Rock Lake, and did a lap around
> the Lake, when I saw this lane divided road which is closed to motor
> vehicles now.
> Anyway on a Friday afternoon, almost no people at the lake, so it was
> great, no traffic no people, almost all to myself then. But on the
> weekends that lake area is jammed packed with thousands of people,
> running, walking, riding, and then the huge crowds at the charity
> walkathons and runs too.
> It was almost nirvana being there when it is all empty.
> On the way back to the office (we actually have a office gym with showers
> too), I was getting pretty cooked in the 100 degree heat, so I stopped off
> and took a break at a little kiddie water park and got myself all wetted
> down real good. It made the last few miles back in nice then.
>
> It was another one of those days where all the motorists are so polite, it
> makes you feel good and weird at the same time. It is hard to get used to
> it, when only a year and a half or so ago motorists seemed to be so
> hostile at the time. I would come up to a busy 4 way stop sign
> intersection and everyone would wave me through first. People would be
> nice and wait at the stop lights (long cycle ones too) in order to trip
> the lights for me so I could go through. it was great.
>
>
>
>
In 1971, the Federal Government pushed through a set of regulations that
together are known as MUTCD. Municipal Uniform Traffic Control Devices.
Lines that cannot be passed are solid. Lines between opposing traffic are
yellow. Prior to that Illinois used white lines between lanes of traffic
going in opposite directions, and it took them until about 1973 or so to get
all the left edge lines on the interstates repainted from white to yellow.
But prior to 1971, each state had their own standards, and they could be
wildly different from state to state. Iowa even had curbs on all their
highways. At one point, prior to a more uniform set of rules, one had to
pull off to the right shoulder in Iowa to make a left turn. In Illinois on
rural highways, one often used to see a 'country left' turn where the guy
would pull over into the (unoccupied) opposing lane before turning left. I
suspect that was the cause of more than a few 'head-ons' over the years.
Charles of Schaumburg
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 17:47:52
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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n5hsr wrote:
> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa, and
>> the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of each of
>> the lanes.
>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in the
>> 1950's 1960's era.
>>
>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>> similar road with lane dividers
>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider in
>> each lane.
That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't
remember ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven
cross country a number of times I have seen some strange states. They
seem to get more non-uniform farther back east where they have their
state to state pissing contests. In California the only difference from
that photo is that there is a double yellow line in the middle and if it
is broken on your side you can pass, solid is no passing.
Bill Baka
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 15:13:43
From: n5hsr
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:czEKg.15055$%j7.13560@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> n5hsr wrote:
>> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa, and
>>> the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of each of
>>> the lanes.
>>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in the
>>> 1950's 1960's era.
>>>
>>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>>> similar road with lane dividers
>>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider in
>>> each lane.
>
> That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't remember
> ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven cross country
> a number of times I have seen some strange states. They seem to get more
> non-uniform farther back east where they have their state to state pissing
> contests. In California the only difference from that photo is that there
> is a double yellow line in the middle and if it is broken on your side you
> can pass, solid is no passing.
> Bill Baka
Solid double yellow center lines became standard after 1971 across the
nation for 4 lane roads like that.. Prior to that, many states used single
yellow, double white and single white solid center lines. Illinois used
double white lines for no passing both ways. We had a lot of 2 lane roads
where one side was broken (could pass) and one side was solid (could not
pass.) By 1973-74 they had pretty much repainted them all yellow. There
may be a few streches that may have white paint on them still back in the
hinterland somewhere.
BTW, they upgraded and widened a section of Old 66 up here near Joliet. It
is now 4 lanes wide because so much business is on it now. Old 66 runs
parallel to new 66 (aka I-55) in Joliet. I-55 is now 6 lanes in a lot of
places, and there are more places it needs the 2 extra lanes.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 18:41:20
From: Earl Bollinger
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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"n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:pN2dnV2eVIzgqmbZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:czEKg.15055$%j7.13560@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> n5hsr wrote:
>>> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa,
>>>> and the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of
>>>> each of the lanes.
>>>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in the
>>>> 1950's 1960's era.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>>>> similar road with lane dividers
>>>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>>>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider in
>>>> each lane.
>>
>> That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't remember
>> ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven cross country
>> a number of times I have seen some strange states. They seem to get more
>> non-uniform farther back east where they have their state to state
>> pissing contests. In California the only difference from that photo is
>> that there is a double yellow line in the middle and if it is broken on
>> your side you can pass, solid is no passing.
>> Bill Baka
>
> Solid double yellow center lines became standard after 1971 across the
> nation for 4 lane roads like that.. Prior to that, many states used
> single yellow, double white and single white solid center lines. Illinois
> used double white lines for no passing both ways. We had a lot of 2 lane
> roads where one side was broken (could pass) and one side was solid (could
> not pass.) By 1973-74 they had pretty much repainted them all yellow.
> There may be a few streches that may have white paint on them still back
> in the hinterland somewhere.
>
> BTW, they upgraded and widened a section of Old 66 up here near Joliet.
> It is now 4 lanes wide because so much business is on it now. Old 66 runs
> parallel to new 66 (aka I-55) in Joliet. I-55 is now 6 lanes in a lot of
> places, and there are more places it needs the 2 extra lanes.
>
I guess I forgot to mention that that is a narrow two lane road with a
dashed line divider in each of the two lanes.
It is wide enough for two cars to pass each other going in opposite
directions.
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:23:56
From: n5hsr
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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"Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:VK2dnZ2jrNqC9WbZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:pN2dnV2eVIzgqmbZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>> news:czEKg.15055$%j7.13560@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>> n5hsr wrote:
>>>> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa,
>>>>> and the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of
>>>>> each of the lanes.
>>>>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in the
>>>>> 1950's 1960's era.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>>>>> similar road with lane dividers
>>>>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>>>>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider
>>>>> in each lane.
>>>
>>> That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't
>>> remember ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven
>>> cross country a number of times I have seen some strange states. They
>>> seem to get more non-uniform farther back east where they have their
>>> state to state pissing contests. In California the only difference from
>>> that photo is that there is a double yellow line in the middle and if it
>>> is broken on your side you can pass, solid is no passing.
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> Solid double yellow center lines became standard after 1971 across the
>> nation for 4 lane roads like that.. Prior to that, many states used
>> single yellow, double white and single white solid center lines.
>> Illinois used double white lines for no passing both ways. We had a lot
>> of 2 lane roads where one side was broken (could pass) and one side was
>> solid (could not pass.) By 1973-74 they had pretty much repainted them
>> all yellow. There may be a few streches that may have white paint on them
>> still back in the hinterland somewhere.
>>
>> BTW, they upgraded and widened a section of Old 66 up here near Joliet.
>> It is now 4 lanes wide because so much business is on it now. Old 66
>> runs parallel to new 66 (aka I-55) in Joliet. I-55 is now 6 lanes in a
>> lot of places, and there are more places it needs the 2 extra lanes.
>>
> I guess I forgot to mention that that is a narrow two lane road with a
> dashed line divider in each of the two lanes.
> It is wide enough for two cars to pass each other going in opposite
> directions.
>
>
Is it a single yellow dashed line? That's the post-1971 MUTCD standard.
Illinois, for instance, used to have single dashed white lines there until
they got them all repainted. I wasn't near enough to Iowa to know what they
had before MUTCD.
Charles of Schaumburg
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 01:34:06
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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Earl Bollinger wrote:
> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:pN2dnV2eVIzgqmbZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>> news:czEKg.15055$%j7.13560@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>> n5hsr wrote:
>>>> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa,
>>>>> and the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of
>>>>> each of the lanes.
>>>>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in the
>>>>> 1950's 1960's era.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>>>>> similar road with lane dividers
>>>>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>>>>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider in
>>>>> each lane.
>>> That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't remember
>>> ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven cross country
>>> a number of times I have seen some strange states. They seem to get more
>>> non-uniform farther back east where they have their state to state
>>> pissing contests. In California the only difference from that photo is
>>> that there is a double yellow line in the middle and if it is broken on
>>> your side you can pass, solid is no passing.
>>> Bill Baka
>> Solid double yellow center lines became standard after 1971 across the
>> nation for 4 lane roads like that.. Prior to that, many states used
>> single yellow, double white and single white solid center lines. Illinois
>> used double white lines for no passing both ways. We had a lot of 2 lane
>> roads where one side was broken (could pass) and one side was solid (could
>> not pass.) By 1973-74 they had pretty much repainted them all yellow.
>> There may be a few streches that may have white paint on them still back
>> in the hinterland somewhere.
>>
>> BTW, they upgraded and widened a section of Old 66 up here near Joliet.
>> It is now 4 lanes wide because so much business is on it now. Old 66 runs
>> parallel to new 66 (aka I-55) in Joliet. I-55 is now 6 lanes in a lot of
>> places, and there are more places it needs the 2 extra lanes.
>>
> I guess I forgot to mention that that is a narrow two lane road with a
> dashed line divider in each of the two lanes.
> It is wide enough for two cars to pass each other going in opposite
> directions.
>
>
OK,
If it is a narrow road, then why the stripes? Old model T's?
Bill Baka
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:36:06
From: n5hsr
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:ioLKg.15168$%j7.8299@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> Earl Bollinger wrote:
>> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:pN2dnV2eVIzgqmbZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>>> news:czEKg.15055$%j7.13560@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> n5hsr wrote:
>>>>> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa,
>>>>>> and the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of
>>>>>> each of the lanes.
>>>>>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in
>>>>>> the 1950's 1960's era.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>>>>>> similar road with lane dividers
>>>>>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>>>>>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider
>>>>>> in each lane.
>>>> That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't
>>>> remember ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven
>>>> cross country a number of times I have seen some strange states. They
>>>> seem to get more non-uniform farther back east where they have their
>>>> state to state pissing contests. In California the only difference from
>>>> that photo is that there is a double yellow line in the middle and if
>>>> it is broken on your side you can pass, solid is no passing.
>>>> Bill Baka
>>> Solid double yellow center lines became standard after 1971 across the
>>> nation for 4 lane roads like that.. Prior to that, many states used
>>> single yellow, double white and single white solid center lines.
>>> Illinois used double white lines for no passing both ways. We had a lot
>>> of 2 lane roads where one side was broken (could pass) and one side was
>>> solid (could not pass.) By 1973-74 they had pretty much repainted them
>>> all yellow. There may be a few streches that may have white paint on
>>> them still back in the hinterland somewhere.
>>>
>>> BTW, they upgraded and widened a section of Old 66 up here near Joliet.
>>> It is now 4 lanes wide because so much business is on it now. Old 66
>>> runs parallel to new 66 (aka I-55) in Joliet. I-55 is now 6 lanes in a
>>> lot of places, and there are more places it needs the 2 extra lanes.
>>>
>> I guess I forgot to mention that that is a narrow two lane road with a
>> dashed line divider in each of the two lanes.
>> It is wide enough for two cars to pass each other going in opposite
>> directions.
>>
>>
> OK,
> If it is a narrow road, then why the stripes? Old model T's?
> Bill Baka
See especially this page:
http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/PavMkgs/Tutorial/centerlines.htm
This is pretty much the standard adopted in 1971 to replace the 48 different
state paterns.
Charles of Schaumburg
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Date: 04 Sep 2006 18:29:26
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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n5hsr wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:ioLKg.15168$%j7.8299@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> Earl Bollinger wrote:
>>> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:pN2dnV2eVIzgqmbZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:czEKg.15055$%j7.13560@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>> n5hsr wrote:
>>>>>> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa,
>>>>>>> and the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of
>>>>>>> each of the lanes.
>>>>>>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in
>>>>>>> the 1950's 1960's era.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>>>>>>> similar road with lane dividers
>>>>>>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>>>>>>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider
>>>>>>> in each lane.
>>>>> That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't
>>>>> remember ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven
>>>>> cross country a number of times I have seen some strange states. They
>>>>> seem to get more non-uniform farther back east where they have their
>>>>> state to state pissing contests. In California the only difference from
>>>>> that photo is that there is a double yellow line in the middle and if
>>>>> it is broken on your side you can pass, solid is no passing.
>>>>> Bill Baka
>>>> Solid double yellow center lines became standard after 1971 across the
>>>> nation for 4 lane roads like that.. Prior to that, many states used
>>>> single yellow, double white and single white solid center lines.
>>>> Illinois used double white lines for no passing both ways. We had a lot
>>>> of 2 lane roads where one side was broken (could pass) and one side was
>>>> solid (could not pass.) By 1973-74 they had pretty much repainted them
>>>> all yellow. There may be a few streches that may have white paint on
>>>> them still back in the hinterland somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, they upgraded and widened a section of Old 66 up here near Joliet.
>>>> It is now 4 lanes wide because so much business is on it now. Old 66
>>>> runs parallel to new 66 (aka I-55) in Joliet. I-55 is now 6 lanes in a
>>>> lot of places, and there are more places it needs the 2 extra lanes.
>>>>
>>> I guess I forgot to mention that that is a narrow two lane road with a
>>> dashed line divider in each of the two lanes.
>>> It is wide enough for two cars to pass each other going in opposite
>>> directions.
>>>
>>>
>> OK,
>> If it is a narrow road, then why the stripes? Old model T's?
>> Bill Baka
>
> See especially this page:
>
> http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/PavMkgs/Tutorial/centerlines.htm
>
> This is pretty much the standard adopted in 1971 to replace the 48 different
> state paterns.
>
> Charles of Schaumburg
>
>
The second part of that link, the reversible lane, is what they use
daily on the Golden Gate bridge in S.F. due to the extremely heavy
commuter traffic. They just put orange cones between the two directions
of flow, no real barriers.
Bill Baka
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 21:28:48
From: n5hsr
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
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> Earl Bollinger wrote:
>> "n5hsr" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:pN2dnV2eVIzgqmbZnZ2dnUVZ_tadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>>> news:czEKg.15055$%j7.13560@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> n5hsr wrote:
>>>>> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa,
>>>>>> and the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of
>>>>>> each of the lanes.
>>>>>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in
>>>>>> the 1950's 1960's era.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>>>>>> similar road with lane dividers
>>>>>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>>>>>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider
>>>>>> in each lane.
>>>> That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't
>>>> remember ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven
>>>> cross country a number of times I have seen some strange states. They
>>>> seem to get more non-uniform farther back east where they have their
>>>> state to state pissing contests. In California the only difference from
>>>> that photo is that there is a double yellow line in the middle and if
>>>> it is broken on your side you can pass, solid is no passing.
>>>> Bill Baka
>>> Solid double yellow center lines became standard after 1971 across the
>>> nation for 4 lane roads like that.. Prior to that, many states used
>>> single yellow, double white and single white solid center lines.
>>> Illinois used double white lines for no passing both ways. We had a lot
>>> of 2 lane roads where one side was broken (could pass) and one side was
>>> solid (could not pass.) By 1973-74 they had pretty much repainted them
>>> all yellow. There may be a few streches that may have white paint on
>>> them still back in the hinterland somewhere.
>>>
>>> BTW, they upgraded and widened a section of Old 66 up here near Joliet.
>>> It is now 4 lanes wide because so much business is on it now. Old 66
>>> runs parallel to new 66 (aka I-55) in Joliet. I-55 is now 6 lanes in a
>>> lot of places, and there are more places it needs the 2 extra lanes.
>>>
>> I guess I forgot to mention that that is a narrow two lane road with a
>> dashed line divider in each of the two lanes.
>> It is wide enough for two cars to pass each other going in opposite
>> directions.
>>
>>
> OK,
> If it is a narrow road, then why the stripes? Old model T's?
> Bill Baka
All of our two lane state numbered highways have single yellow dashed
stripes down the center here. They're not across the road, they're down
the middle. That's the 1971 MUTCD standard. The only place there isn't is
where no passing is allowed by either one side or the other or both. That
has pretty much been maintained through subsequent revisions.
Google MUTCD and you'll see it, too.
Charles of Schaumburg
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Date: 03 Sep 2006 20:56:03
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Lane dividers prior to 1971
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n5hsr wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:czEKg.15055$%j7.13560@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> n5hsr wrote:
>>> "Earl Bollinger" <earlwbollinger@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:At-dnZ0pHrKrpWfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Someone I know, remembered as a kid his father driving through Iowa, and
>>>> the four lane roads had a dashed line running down the center of each of
>>>> the lanes.
>>>> Does anyone remember anything about them? This is probably back in the
>>>> 1950's 1960's era.
>>>>
>>>> Here is a pic I took Friday when I was cycling and I ran across this
>>>> similar road with lane dividers
>>>> http://s27.photobucket.com/albums/c163/earlwb/Misc%20Stuff/?action=view¤t=059b464e.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch1
>>>> This is a regular narrow two lane road with a dash line lane divider in
>>>> each lane.
>> That looks like a pretty standard California road to me. I don't remember
>> ever seeing any other kind in this state, but having driven cross country
>> a number of times I have seen some strange states. They seem to get more
>> non-uniform farther back east where they have their state to state pissing
>> contests. In California the only difference from that photo is that there
>> is a double yellow line in the middle and if it is broken on your side you
>> can pass, solid is no passing.
>> Bill Baka
>
> Solid double yellow center lines became standard after 1971 across the
> nation for 4 lane roads like that.. Prior to that, many states used single
> yellow, double white and single white solid center lines. Illinois used
> double white lines for no passing both ways. We had a lot of 2 lane roads
> where one side was broken (could pass) and one side was solid (could not
> pass.) By 1973-74 they had pretty much repainted them all yellow. There
> may be a few streches that may have white paint on them still back in the
> hinterland somewhere.
>
> BTW, they upgraded and widened a section of Old 66 up here near Joliet. It
> is now 4 lanes wide because so much business is on it now. Old 66 runs
> parallel to new 66 (aka I-55) in Joliet. I-55 is now 6 lanes in a lot of
> places, and there are more places it needs the 2 extra lanes.
>
>
At least you still have an old 66. I was in Flagstaff, Arizona a few
years back looking for a rather unique motel I stayed in when I came to
California with my parents in 1963, and since interstate 40 was put in,
nobody had a clue what I was looking for. 40 years changes a whole lot
of things. Traveling the old route 66 (if I can find it) is something I
would like to do someday, and explore the ghost towns caused by 40 being
put in place.
Bill Baka
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