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Date: 28 Jun 2007 14:46:56
From: Claire
Subject: Judging cyclists by their appearance

OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
they're wearing and what they're riding.

I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.

CLOTHING
Reflective stickers festooned on helmet (Fred)
Bandana as snot rag (Fred)
Old, grease-speckled t-shirt (Fred)
- T-shirt was for Bicycle to Work Day so has sponsorship logos on
back (poser)
Expensive, brand-name bike shorts (poser)
- only Pearl Izumi Ultrasensors, not Microsensors (Fred)
- worn and washed so many times, the lycra and elastic are wearing
thing (Fred)
Bicycling specific socks (poser)
- wool, not coordinated to outfit (Fred)
Bicycling specific shoes (poser)
- ancient, scuffed commuter shoes (Fred)

BICYCLE
Expensive custom-made frame (poser)
- steel (Fred)
Brifters as opposed to, say, bar-end shifters (poser)
Shimano Ultegra components (poser)
- not Dura Ace (Fred)
- not Campy (Fred)
Rack (Fred)
- expensive tubus brand (poser)
- german tail light made especially for tubus rack (poser)
- also cheap blinky attached with kludgey rubber band and clamp
(Fred)
Full fenders (Fred)
- color coordinated to go with tubus rack (poser)
- ancient, peeling reflective tape on fenders (Fred)

So, you pass me along the road, what would your judgement be? Fred? Or
Poser?

Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
(no .sig right now, I'm tired)

Date: 08 Aug 2007 02:18:56
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <1186021009.474264.236070@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com >,
idomybestworkonabike@hotmail.com writes:
> On Jun 29, 7:46 am, Claire <cpeter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> So, you pass me along the road, what would your judgement be? Fred? Or
>> Poser?
>
> It depends whether you nodded at me or not. Some folk seem to need to
> be nodded at (judging by their judgement of others' clothing and
> nodding habits), whereas others don't. The need of the noddee varies
> with the nodder - if you are a Poser you don't want to be nodded at by
> a Fred, and vice versa. If the noddee or the nodder is a mixed up Fred/
> Poser, this could result in serious confusion (adding to the
> existing). To coin a phrase, This is Serious, Mum (TISM).

Often, cycle-commuters don't have time, or enough caffeine-
induced alpha waves to return acknowledgments, or to even
make judgments. They just wanna get to where they're going,
with the least distraction.

Buggin' people who are on their way to work is rather
like interrupting people who are counting inventory.

cheers,
Tom

--
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 19:16:49
From:
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jun 29, 7:46 am, Claire <cpeter...@yahoo.com > wrote:

> So, you pass me along the road, what would your judgement be? Fred? Or
> Poser?

It depends whether you nodded at me or not. Some folk seem to need to
be nodded at (judging by their judgement of others' clothing and
nodding habits), whereas others don't. The need of the noddee varies
with the nodder - if you are a Poser you don't want to be nodded at by
a Fred, and vice versa. If the noddee or the nodder is a mixed up Fred/
Poser, this could result in serious confusion (adding to the
existing). To coin a phrase, This is Serious, Mum (TISM).

Donga

Date: 01 Aug 2007 18:21:51
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jul 30, 3:20 pm, Chris <ch...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "DI" <di9...@cox.net> wrote innews:R%Vhi.464937$g24.141276@newsfe12.phx:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in message
> >news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> >> "DI" <di9...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>
> >>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOS...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9...@cox.net> quoted Ed
> >>>> Dolan:
>
> >>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >>>>>> aka Asshole
> >>>>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you
> >>>>>old fat
> >>>>>ass.
>
> >>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
> >>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
> >>>> killfile less effective.
>
> >>>> Pat
>
> >>>> Email address works as is.
>
> >>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
>
> >> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that
> >> others may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >> aka
> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> > Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I
> > offered to meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was
> > afraid of an ass kicking.
>
> I called Mr Edward "The Shaking Coward" Dolan on the phone once for
> kicks, The old man was so scared, he hung up.
>
> If you would like you too can call him for fun and laughs.
>
> My little brother is an over the road truck driver, and I asked him to
> stop by Eddy house someday. He said sure, love to see an old man crap
> in his pants
>
> Anybody want his phone and/or address??
>

Sure, right after you post yours.

Date: 04 Aug 2007 00:38:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1186017711.085239.117260@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 30, 3:20 pm, Chris <ch...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>> Anybody want his phone and/or address??
>>
>
> Sure, right after you post yours.

Ozark was not born yesterday it appears. But at least I detect some decency
in him. Those who make threats on newsgroups like Chris are the worst scum
in the world. I regard them as criminals pure and simple.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Aug 2007 18:21:08
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Aug 1, 7:34 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Chris who? wrote:
> > "DI" <di9...@cox.net> wrote in
> >news:R%Vhi.464937$g24.141276@newsfe12.phx:
>
> >> "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote in message
> >>news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
> >>> "DI" <di9...@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
> >>>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOS...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
> >>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9...@cox.net> quoted Ed
> >>>>> Dolan:
> >>>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >>>>>>> aka Asshole
> >>>>>> I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you
> >>>>>> old fat
> >>>>>> ass.
> >>>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
> >>>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
> >>>>> killfile less effective.
>
> >>>>> Pat
>
> >>>>> Email address works as is.
>
> >>>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
> >>> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that
> >>> others may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>
> >>> Regards,
>
> >>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >>> aka
> >>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> >> Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I
> >> offered to meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was
> >> afraid of an ass kicking.
>
> > I called Mr Edward "The Shaking Coward" Dolan on the phone once for
> > kicks, The old man was so scared, he hung up.
>
> > If you would like you too can call him for fun and laughs.
>
> > My little brother is an over the road truck driver, and I asked him to
> > stop by Eddy house someday. He said sure, love to see an old man crap
> > in his pants
>
> > Anybody want his phone and/or address??
>
> Eddie Dolan is just old and lonely, and needs attention.
>

So, apparently, does "Chris".

Date: 03 Jul 2007 08:04:10
From: marian.rosenberg@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jul 3, 12:13 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <1183427150.840000.85...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
> "marian.rosenb...@gmail.com" <marian.rosenb...@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 2:32 am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> >> In article <f8mbpf9uxsk4.1cyd2r8azwbu0....@40tude.net>,
> >> Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au> writes:
>
> >> > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:11:38 -0000, marian.rosenb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> >> The truly serious cyclists have a car but still ride the bike and have
> >> >> more than one bike. But it begins to approach poser if you have more
> >> >> than ten bikes, even if you are general secretary of the cycling
> >> >> association.
>
> >> > It's essential that at least one of your bikes is worth more than
> >> > your car, too.
>
> >> What car?
>
> > It's essential that at least one of the bikes you take with on the bus
> > is worth more than the bus.
>
> In Vancouver our buses have racks on their fronts,
> on which we can transport our bikes. I've sometimes
> considered doing that, but have never done so. Once
> I'm on the bike I figure: in for a dime, in for a dollar,
> so I always persist with the bike, and shine-on the bus.

I like to go biking in places that I don't have enough time to bike
to, bike at, bike back, and still be home in time for work on Monday
morning.

> One of these days I've gotta do that multi-modal thing,
> just to say I've done so. On the other hand, I'm a guy
> who'll ride to from the centre of Vancouver Proper to
> Deep Cove just for a donut.

I don't know how far that is but I did a 100km out and back with the
stated intent of going swimming in the hot springs only to decide,
when I got to the hot springs, that I didn't feel like going swimming
at which point I turned around and went home.

> Okay, two donuts. But they're lovely donuts.
> Ryan knows what I mean.

And the calorie burn meant you had the right to eat three donuts if
you wanted to.

> Screw the bus. Everytime I catch a cold or 'flu,
> it's from riding the bus.

Date: 02 Jul 2007 21:47:42
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com > writes:

> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred.

My last ride was up to the re-tox centre.

> CLOTHING

- Black T-shirt w/ pocket

- A pair of jeans I holed the right knee of last year,
while taking the left turn off No. 6 Road onto
Bridgeport too fast, and winding up rolling around
on the sidewalk. Right cuff rolled up, but has
nevertheless sustained some chainring chewing.

- some lucky pennies stowed in the watch pocket of my jeans,
along with the strapless remnants of my cheap-o wristwatch.

> BICYCLE
Ol' Pig Iron. A mish-mash of the best parts of
numerous discarded '80s MTBs. The saddle is
six inches higher than the handlebar -- that way,
I'm always going downhill. My handlebar has just
a taste of rise, but also a gull-wing downsweep,
reminiscent of the shoulders of a linebacker --
the setup is very aggressive-looking to those in
the know; to others, I guess it just looks weird.

6-spd freewheel, Union generator light system,
Freddy Fenders, lotsa un-bobbed zip ties sticking
out. MTB toeclips covered w/ inner tube strips.
And the good ol' black milk crate with the red
reflector and blinkie mounted on it. Those
rough-'n-ready Cheng Shin slick 26x1.5" tires.

> So, you pass me along the road, what would your judgement be? Fred? Or
> Poser?

Aw, you /know/ I'm just a push-over for pretty women cyclists.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Date: 02 Jul 2007 22:51:50
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jul 2, 11:42 am, Neil Brooks <neil0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:18:45 -0700, Bob <hunr...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Why only two category choices, poser or fred? Based on the description
> >given I'd probably judge you to be someone who rides not only for fun
> >but also as a means of getting around. As for me, the ride itself is
> >the destination.
> >I'll play anyway though:
>
> >2004 Domina Vacanze jersey and bibshorts, the white and black tiger
> >striped ones
> >white headband with similar black tiger striping
> >silver Diadora road shoes
>
> >custom Habanero ti frame road bike
> >mixed Record/Chorus group, mostly Record now
> >Easton carbon bar
> >EMS carbon fork
> >Selle SLR saddle
> >Open Pros with Conti clinchers
>
> >Is there a name for someone that likes nice bike stuff and to be
> >noticed in traffic?
>
> Bob?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If my name catches on as a way of categorizing cyclists do I get any
kind of royalty payment for allowing the usage?

Regards,
Bob (all rights reserved) Hunt

Date: 02 Jul 2007 21:13:15
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <1183427150.840000.85890@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com >,
"marian.rosenberg@gmail.com" <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com > writes:
> On Jul 3, 2:32 am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>> In article <f8mbpf9uxsk4.1cyd2r8azwbu0....@40tude.net>,
>> Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au> writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:11:38 -0000, marian.rosenb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> The truly serious cyclists have a car but still ride the bike and have
>> >> more than one bike. But it begins to approach poser if you have more
>> >> than ten bikes, even if you are general secretary of the cycling
>> >> association.
>>
>> > It's essential that at least one of your bikes is worth more than
>> > your car, too.
>>
>> What car?
>
> It's essential that at least one of the bikes you take with on the bus
> is worth more than the bus.

In Vancouver our buses have racks on their fronts,
on which we can transport our bikes. I've sometimes
considered doing that, but have never done so. Once
I'm on the bike I figure: in for a dime, in for a dollar,
so I always persist with the bike, and shine-on the bus.

One of these days I've gotta do that multi-modal thing,
just to say I've done so. On the other hand, I'm a guy
who'll ride to from the centre of Vancouver Proper to
Deep Cove just for a donut.

Okay, two donuts. But they're lovely donuts.
Ryan knows what I mean.

Screw the bus. Everytime I catch a cold or 'flu,
it's from riding the bus.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Date: 02 Jul 2007 20:49:56
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <9d6ol4-436.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org >,
Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu > writes:
> In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> May your Almighty bless you with many sons!
>>
>> And a bunch of daughters, too. Maybe more daughters than sons.
>
> WildlyOT: I've always been fonder of the idea of daughters. Which makes
> me happy, because I have two. But many people seem to have an absolute
> mania for sons. Which I really don't understand.

Reminds me of that old chestnut:
man to pregnant woman: "Do you want a boy or a girl?"
pregnant woman to man: "Yes."

> People have actually asked "Are you going to have another, so you can
> have a boy?"
>
> Not only no, but hell no. If we had three, we'd be outnumbered!

As an hellraiser in my youth myself, I've come to realize
incipient parents have the Hobson's choice of either
raising children to protect from the world, or to protect
the world from. I'm afraid I (synergistically combined
with my childhood best buddy & accomplice: Davie Rosemeyer)
fell into the latter classification.

I probably should be a parent, too, to satisfy my karmic
come-uppance for what I put my own parents through. Not
to mention Davie's. And vice versa. When our parents
got together over a back door/kitchen table cuppa coffee,
it wasn't just to chit-chat -- it was to comiserate about
us kids, and to try to figure out what should be done
about us.

My mother's expressions of her earnest desire to see me
become an enduring, long-suffering parent like herself
still echoes in my ears.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Date: 03 Jul 2007 13:40:54
From: Theo Bekkers
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Tom Keats wrote:

> I probably should be a parent, too, to satisfy my karmic
> come-uppance for what I put my own parents through. Not
> to mention Davie's. And vice versa. When our parents
> got together over a back door/kitchen table cuppa coffee,
> it wasn't just to chit-chat -- it was to comiserate about
> us kids, and to try to figure out what should be done
> about us.
>
> My mother's expressions of her earnest desire to see me
> become an enduring, long-suffering parent like herself
> still echoes in my ears.

I referred to my first grandchildren as Revenge 1, Revenge 2, etc. It didn't
take their parents long to figure out why, one even told me that she now
realises what our life was like as parents with her as a child. :-)

Theo

Date: 03 Jul 2007 03:14:02
From: Luigi de Guzman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:36:12 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:

> On Jul 2, 8:59 pm, Zoot Katz? wrote:
>>
>> Riding the Xtracycle today I got, "Does that thing have a motor?"
>> when a weekend warrior caught me at the light after I'd blown by him
>> struggling up the last pitch.
>>
>> Counting shoes, full coverage helmet, lycra and hydration pack, poor
>> boinger dude must have dropped at least $2500 at the LBS. His bike
>> was spotless so it's certain he'd not been out bashing around on
>> trails all day....
>
> FABRIZIO MAZZOLENI!!!
>

The Fab One doesn't ride mountain bikes.

--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

Date: 03 Jul 2007 03:11:53
From: Luigi de Guzman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:21:52 -0700, Dane Buson wrote:

>
> I keep trying to give the Fred impression, but I keep getting Poseurs
> sucking my wheel [1] or worse catching up and asking if I'm on a team or
> telling me I should get a power meter wheel.
>
> No, I'm not joking. All those conversations happened.

Reminds me of the time that I had a few beers and hit the open mic night
at my local with a cheap casio keyboard. Played two songs, badly, walked
off, and had five guys asking me "DUDE are you looking for a BAND?"

>
> <insert huge rolleyes emoticon here>
>
> [1] Without asking.
>

--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

Date: 02 Jul 2007 21:55:29
From: DI
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Claire" <cpetersky@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

I not sure what qualifies as a Fred or Poser, you be the judge.
But here's what I looked like Sunday Morning.

CLOTHING
Mid Range Silver Bell Helmet
Poly Sport T-Shirt from Walmart, (about $10-$12), solid red color.
Nashbar Mountain Bike Shorts (Baggie) (fat old men should not wear lycra)
Shimano Sandels, SPD clipless
No Socks
Cheap Sun Glasses for bug protection.

BICYCLE
Cannondale F300 Mountain Bike, upgraded to LX and XT components.
Continental 26 x 2.10 Touring Tires.
Handlebar Bag, w/ binoculars for wildlife viewing & a rainjacket.
Seatbag, with spare tube, CO2 inflator, tire patches, tire levers.
Handlebar mounted mirrow.

Rode about 30 miles on a Multi-use Trail, out to a coffee shop and back.

All about as basic as you get, had a blistering speed average of about
9mph.

Date: 02 Jul 2007 19:36:12
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jul 2, 8:59 pm, Zoot Katz? wrote:
>
> Riding the Xtracycle today I got, "Does that thing have a motor?"
> when a weekend warrior caught me at the light after I'd blown by him
> struggling up the last pitch.
>
> Counting shoes, full coverage helmet, lycra and hydration pack, poor
> boinger dude must have dropped at least $2500 at the LBS. His bike
> was spotless so it's certain he'd not been out bashing around on
> trails all day....

FABRIZIO MAZZOLENI!!!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Date: 03 Jul 2007 01:45:50
From: marian.rosenberg@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jul 3, 2:32 am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <f8mbpf9uxsk4.1cyd2r8azwbu0....@40tude.net>,
> Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au> writes:
>
> > On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:11:38 -0000, marian.rosenb...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> The truly serious cyclists have a car but still ride the bike and have
> >> more than one bike. But it begins to approach poser if you have more
> >> than ten bikes, even if you are general secretary of the cycling
> >> association.
>
> > It's essential that at least one of your bikes is worth more than
> > your car, too.
>
> What car?

It's essential that at least one of the bikes you take with on the bus
is worth more than the bus.

Date: 03 Jul 2007 01:45:35
From: marian.rosenberg@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jul 2, 6:17 pm, Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au > wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:11:38 -0000, marian.rosenb...@gmail.com wrote:
> > The truly serious cyclists have a car but still ride the bike and have
> > more than one bike. But it begins to approach poser if you have more
> > than ten bikes, even if you are general secretary of the cycling
> > association.
>
> It's essential that at least one of your bikes is worth more than
> your car, too.

It's essential that at least one of the bikes you take with you on the
long distance bus trip is worth more than the bus.

-M

Date: 02 Jul 2007 20:47:34
From: Peter Cole
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Claire wrote:
> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.

I don't really relate to the whole category thing. I try to find out
what works for me (given where & how I ride) and go with that. That sort
of approach has me buying $10 chains and $200+ shoes.

Personally, I don't like logos. I like black shorts (practical). I have
some very cheap bikes and some more expensive ones & I don't notice a
huge difference. I pretty much ride with a yuppie (no slur intended, I'm
one, too) crowd who spend a lot on high-end bikes & togs. I don't really
have an opinion one way or the other about all that stuff -- if it makes
people happy, why not?

What really impresses me is competence on a bike. There are some people
who just exude gracefulness, I'd ride with them anywhere, no matter what
they rode or wore. I guess you can't buy cool, but if you've got it, any
bikes and clothes will do.

I do draw the line at old Bell helmets and crew socks, though.

Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:16:19
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <1183371098.000351.203160@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com >,
"marian.rosenberg@gmail.com" <marian.rosenberg@gmail.com > writes:

> Other
> (local) cyclists would recognize me as being not-a-poser or a fred,
> local non cyclists would either think me a professional or an uber
> geek.

There was a certain TV commercial on last year's TdF coverage:

[voice-over] "We were going to do an interview with (such-'n-such)
but instead we decided to show you this Swiss guy
on a bike ..."

[music up] yodeling

[wide shot] well-dressed, older man determinedly but successfully
ekeing his bike up a steep, flagstone-paved
Swiss street

For some reason that advert made me think of Jobst. Maybe
it was the yodeling. More likely, the Alpine backdrop.

Anyways, in retrospect I guess the incongruity of the comparison
between that Swiss guy on a bike, and such as Zabel, Ulrich et al
was supposed to be funny. But I've always felt an admiration and
a connection with that gentleman forcing and driving his simple
bike up that steep hill.

I think Zabel's a nice guy and a good rider, too.

There are no such riders as freds -- just riders with individual
style. And so-called posers are just people with dreams & goals,
who haven't gotten very far down the road (yet.) So many pleasures
of achievement and accomplishment still lie ahead of them.
I think that can be a pretty enviable place to be.

cheers,
Tom

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Date: 02 Jul 2007 11:32:58
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <f8mbpf9uxsk4.1cyd2r8azwbu0.dlg@40tude.net >,
Michael Warner <mvw@westnet.com.au > writes:
> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:11:38 -0000, marian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The truly serious cyclists have a car but still ride the bike and have
>> more than one bike. But it begins to approach poser if you have more
>> than ten bikes, even if you are general secretary of the cycling
>> association.
>
> It's essential that at least one of your bikes is worth more than
> your car, too.

What car?

cheers,
Tom

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Date: 03 Jul 2007 16:49:56
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:32:58 -0700, Tom Keats wrote:

>> It's essential that at least one of your bikes is worth more than
>> your car, too.
>
> What car?

Ok, your neighbour's car :-)

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Date: 02 Jul 2007 14:01:03
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com > wrote:
> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.

Clothing:
Cheap specialized helmet, some cracking (Fred)
$10 Landscaper safety glasses (Fred)
Thrifted poly shirt - might be soccer jersey (Fred)
Cycling shorts (Poseur)
Performances cheapest ones (Fred)
But they are hidden under...
Cargo shorts (Hipster)
Bike socks (Poseur)
Wool (Retro-grouch)
Bike shoes (Poseur)
Grubby mountain shoes (Fred)

Bicycle:
Surly Crosscheck (Poseur)
Steel (Hipster)
Bar-end shifters (Poseur) [1]
Compact crankset (Poseur)
Full Fenders (Fred)
Carradice SQR Bag (Fred - Retro-grouch)
Marathon Plus tires (Fred)
Dynohub front wheel (Fred)
48 spoke Halo Spin Doctor rear wheel (Maniac)
Red stompin' size M636 SPD pedals (Maniac)

[1] I say that because it's a CycloCross style bike. It's *hardcore*, on
anything else it would be Fredly.

--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
You can bring any calculator you like to the midterm, as long as it
doesn't dim the lights when you turn it on.
-- Hepler, Systems Design 182

Date: 02 Jul 2007 09:18:45
From: Bob
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jun 28, 4:46 pm, Claire <cpeter...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.

Why only two category choices, poser or fred? Based on the description
given I'd probably judge you to be someone who rides not only for fun
but also as a means of getting around. As for me, the ride itself is
the destination.
I'll play anyway though:

2004 Domina Vacanze jersey and bibshorts, the white and black tiger
striped ones
white headband with similar black tiger striping
silver Diadora road shoes

custom Habanero ti frame road bike
mixed Record/Chorus group, mostly Record now
Easton carbon bar
EMS carbon fork
Selle SLR saddle
Open Pros with Conti clinchers

Is there a name for someone that likes nice bike stuff and to be
noticed in traffic?

Regards,
Bob Hunt

P. S.- You're on the west coast and I'm in the heartland so if I pass
you one of us is *really* lost. ;-)

Date: 02 Jul 2007 14:21:52
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Bob <hunrobe@aol.com > wrote:
> On Jun 28, 4:46 pm, Claire <cpeter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
>> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
>> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.
>
> Why only two category choices, poser or fred? Based on the description
> given I'd probably judge you to be someone who rides not only for fun
> but also as a means of getting around. As for me, the ride itself is
> the destination.

I have to admit, I couldn't stick to two. I had to add the Hipster and
Maniac categories for mine.

I keep trying to give the Fred impression, but I keep getting Poseurs
sucking my wheel [1] or worse catching up and asking if I'm on a team or
telling me I should get a power meter wheel.

No, I'm not joking. All those conversations happened.

<insert huge rolleyes emoticon here >

[1] Without asking.

--
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.
-- Hunter S. Thompson

Date: 02 Jul 2007 18:59:39
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:21:52 -0700, Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu >
wrote:

>Bob <hunrobe@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 28, 4:46 pm, Claire <cpeter...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
>>> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
>>> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.
>>
>> Why only two category choices, poser or fred? Based on the description
>> given I'd probably judge you to be someone who rides not only for fun
>> but also as a means of getting around. As for me, the ride itself is
>> the destination.
>
>I have to admit, I couldn't stick to two. I had to add the Hipster and
>Maniac categories for mine.
>
>I keep trying to give the Fred impression, but I keep getting Poseurs
>sucking my wheel [1] or worse catching up and asking if I'm on a team or
>telling me I should get a power meter wheel.
>
>No, I'm not joking. All those conversations happened.
>
><insert huge rolleyes emoticon here>
>
>[1] Without asking.

Riding the Xtracycle today I got, "Does that thing have a motor?"
when a weekend warrior caught me at the light after I'd blown by him
struggling up the last pitch.

Counting shoes, full coverage helmet, lycra and hydration pack, poor
boinger dude must have dropped at least $2500 at the LBS. His bike
was spotless so it's certain he'd not been out bashing around on
trails all day. When he realised he'd been smoked by an "old fart",
and not some hot blonde cookie, it probably spoiled his day.

A front page article on fixies in the mainstream neighbourhood rag
mentions a new, new to me anyways, category; "posenger". A posenger
seems to be one who is not a bike messenger but emulates their style.

Also a quote from George, "Hipsters are a myth. Hipsters are people
who look like your friends, like the same things as your friends, but
aren't your friends."

Pretty good article overall with one glaring error: calling rear
fork-ends dropouts. I shuddered for Sheldon.
--
zk

Date: 03 Jul 2007 02:06:47
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Zoot Katz" <zootkatz@operamail.com > wrote in message
news:6p8j83dk1ajj9thn6bd423j41e8votdtfo@4ax.com...

> When he realised he'd been smoked by an "old fart",
> and not some hot blonde cookie, it probably spoiled his day.

Why would he think you're a hot blonde cookie? Mistaking white hair for
blonde? Still wearing that hot pink jacket?

--
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http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 19:30:25
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 02:06:47 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
<cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:

>"Zoot Katz" <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote in message
>news:6p8j83dk1ajj9thn6bd423j41e8votdtfo@4ax.com...
>
>> When he realised he'd been smoked by an "old fart",
>> and not some hot blonde cookie, it probably spoiled his day.
>
>Why would he think you're a hot blonde cookie? Mistaking white hair for
>blonde? Still wearing that hot pink jacket?

I wear, what I've been told is, a very convincing sexy long blonde
synthetic pigtail protruding from beneath my mandatory headgear.

With a hot pink jersey and riding a decorated girlie looking bike*, I
went by too fast for him to notice details.

*mixte frame MTB with streamers, pinwheels, flowers and spokey dots.
--
zk

Date: 02 Jul 2007 09:42:51
From: Neil Brooks
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 09:18:45 -0700, Bob <hunrobe@aol.com > wrote:

>Why only two category choices, poser or fred? Based on the description
>given I'd probably judge you to be someone who rides not only for fun
>but also as a means of getting around. As for me, the ride itself is
>the destination.
>I'll play anyway though:
>
>2004 Domina Vacanze jersey and bibshorts, the white and black tiger
>striped ones
>white headband with similar black tiger striping
>silver Diadora road shoes
>
>custom Habanero ti frame road bike
>mixed Record/Chorus group, mostly Record now
>Easton carbon bar
>EMS carbon fork
>Selle SLR saddle
>Open Pros with Conti clinchers
>
>Is there a name for someone that likes nice bike stuff and to be
>noticed in traffic?

Bob?

Date: 02 Jul 2007 03:29:11
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <07SdneDbr7hKLhXbnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > writes:

> I am never going to get any better than I am right now.

That's understandable, but unfortunate.

> I am just thirsting
> for someone I can put my claws into.

Buy a magazine.

Please steer me to someone with some
> intelligence as I am dying from all these confounded idiots that I am
> constantly confronted with.

Maybe you should phone into Regis & Kelli.

> Oh God, I would give my soul for someone with a
> brain to fight with.

Trust me -- it's not worth it.

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Date: 02 Jul 2007 03:07:35
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <4688c318$0$12841$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au >,
"Tomasso" <nospam@nospam.com > writes:

> Another one. Plonk.

Hello, and goodbye.

Have a good life.

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Date: 02 Jul 2007 10:11:38
From: marian.rosenberg@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

I remember the very first time I met the bike shop manager when he was
in kit. I thought he was the Fredliest of euro-posers. Utterly
ridiculous for him to be dressed like that.

For a while I even thought that yellow Livestrong bracelets in my
local group were a bit poser-like. At least until I got my own
bracelet (prize for anyone who finished a particularly nasty mountain
climb in the allotted time frame).

I guess the easiest way to tell a poser in my local group is if their
jersey matches their shorts. This tends to indicate that they bought
one of the jersey/short combo sets and have less than three sets of
clothes.

Coach never wears a jersey. But I've never seen him with a t-shirt
that wasn't in some way, shape, or form, bicycle related. Except for
a tasteful (bicycle related) polo shirt or three. On the other hand,
I've never seen him at any event of any kind that wasn't in some way,
shape, or form, bicycle related.

You can't get bike event themed t-shirts without being a cyclist. You
wouldn't want to buy one unless you were. No one except other
cyclists will notice that the t-shirts are bike related.

Poser's have jerseys that are cleaner in the wrong way. Except for
the bike shop manager. I have my laundry done for me and I still
can't figure out how he gets the white on his jerseys that white. I
don't think the white on my jerseys was that white when the jerseys
were brand new and some of them are the same jerseys.

Poser bikes are either not clean enough or too clean but even when too
clean are still not clean enough in the lovingly polished with wax
kind of clean. Only the ridiculously serious people love their bikes
enough to clean them that clean.

Poser freds haven't removed the protective bubble wrap yet, not even
after the first thousand miles.

The truly serious cyclists have a car but still ride the bike and have
more than one bike. But it begins to approach poser if you have more
than ten bikes, even if you are general secretary of the cycling
association.

My last ride was a race. I was wearing the new pink polka dotted club
jersey (shared by 60 other people at the race) with long black
shorts. Because of the rain it was not possible to tell that the dirt
spray on my secondhand race bike had been there before that day.
Helmet by Giro, sunglasses by Shimano, and gloves by Giant. Other
(local) cyclists would recognize me as being not-a-poser or a fred,
local non cyclists would either think me a professional or an uber
geek.

Date: 02 Jul 2007 19:47:27
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:11:38 -0000, marian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:

> The truly serious cyclists have a car but still ride the bike and have
> more than one bike. But it begins to approach poser if you have more
> than ten bikes, even if you are general secretary of the cycling
> association.

It's essential that at least one of your bikes is worth more than
your car, too.

--
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 23:44:15
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <z82dnfBAkce6NRXbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > writes:
>
> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:vo3a6f.2g.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>> In article <y92dnUocDaeeCxXbnZ2dnUVZ_tqnnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>>
>>> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:t2u96f.fc.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>>>> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
>>>>> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
>>>>> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>>>>
>>>> No. Only by what they (we) say.
>>>>
>>>> You'd be hard-pressed to figure me out ;-)
>>>>
>>>> That's okay. I'm hard-pressed to figure anybody out, too.
>>>>
>>>> And I don't even wanna. I just plain like everybody,
>>>> however they present their (our) personae. As long as
>>>> they (we) have some kindness in their hearts.
>>>
>>> I charge Tom Keats with being the most terrible liar who has ever existed
>>> on
>>> Usenet. He has always hated me from day one as I have him.
>>
>> Au contraire, mon frere. I hug you into my loving bosom,
>> you poor lost soul. You beautiful flower!
>>
>> May your Almighty bless you with many sons!
>>
>> And a bunch of daughters, too. Maybe more daughters than sons.
>>
>> Anyways, lots of 'em.
>
> Here is Tom Keats pretending to be a Muslim. In any event, no one these days
> gives a good god damn about sons and daughters. In fact, it is a blessing
> not to have them.
>
> Of course there is no Almighty. There never has been and there never will
> be. But how do you explain this to someone as dumb as Tom Keats.
>
> I urge Tom Keats to use his muscles on the docks of Vancouver and to never
> engage his brain - since he obviously does not have one. Leave the thinking
> to those of us who are capable of it.

You are a Creation, and therefore no better and
no worse than I, or anybody else on this planet.

By wishing you well, I wish myself and everybody
else well.

And so I do.

I Love you, because, heck, I love everybody.

So go ahead and rant & rave. Continue to amuse
us with your derailed, depraved diatribes.

You're cute. You're funny. Not as artistic
as Datakoll, nor as insightful as Claire --
but you have a quality that may be developable,
in time. With some effort, of course.

cheers,
Tom

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Date: 02 Jul 2007 19:19:56
From: Tomasso
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Another one. Plonk.
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:vr6a6f.ei.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <z82dnfBAkce6NRXbnZ2dnUVZ_v6tnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>
>> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:vo3a6f.2g.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>>> In article <y92dnUocDaeeCxXbnZ2dnUVZ_tqnnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:t2u96f.fc.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>>>>> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
>>>>>> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
>>>>>> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. Only by what they (we) say.
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be hard-pressed to figure me out ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> That's okay. I'm hard-pressed to figure anybody out, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I don't even wanna. I just plain like everybody,
>>>>> however they present their (our) personae. As long as
>>>>> they (we) have some kindness in their hearts.
>>>>
>>>> I charge Tom Keats with being the most terrible liar who has ever existed
>>>> on
>>>> Usenet. He has always hated me from day one as I have him.
>>>
>>> Au contraire, mon frere. I hug you into my loving bosom,
>>> you poor lost soul. You beautiful flower!
>>>
>>> May your Almighty bless you with many sons!
>>>
>>> And a bunch of daughters, too. Maybe more daughters than sons.
>>>
>>> Anyways, lots of 'em.
>>
>> Here is Tom Keats pretending to be a Muslim. In any event, no one these days
>> gives a good god damn about sons and daughters. In fact, it is a blessing
>> not to have them.
>>
>> Of course there is no Almighty. There never has been and there never will
>> be. But how do you explain this to someone as dumb as Tom Keats.
>>
>> I urge Tom Keats to use his muscles on the docks of Vancouver and to never
>> engage his brain - since he obviously does not have one. Leave the thinking
>> to those of us who are capable of it.
>
> You are a Creation, and therefore no better and
> no worse than I, or anybody else on this planet.
>
> By wishing you well, I wish myself and everybody
> else well.
>
> And so I do.
>
> I Love you, because, heck, I love everybody.
>
> So go ahead and rant & rave. Continue to amuse
> us with your derailed, depraved diatribes.
>
> You're cute. You're funny. Not as artistic
> as Datakoll, nor as insightful as Claire --
> but you have a quality that may be developable,
> in time. With some effort, of course.
>
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> I'm really at:
> tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:46:31
From: T. Ling Yu
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Tomasso" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in
news:4688c318$0$12841$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:

> Another one. Plonk.

If you have not done so yet, pleace to be adding me to
your plonk lits and pleace to be making public announcement.

TIA

Date: 02 Jul 2007 03:14:03
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:vr6a6f.ei.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
[...]
> So go ahead and rant & rave. Continue to amuse
> us with your derailed, depraved diatribes.
>
> You're cute. You're funny. Not as artistic
> as Datakoll, nor as insightful as Claire --
> but you have a quality that may be developable,
> in time. With some effort, of course.

Who is this fucking Datakoll? Someone I should know? Claire is a simpleton
(your typical dumb female) who will only appeal to simpletons like you and
the rest of the idiots on RBM.

I am never going to get any better than I am right now. I am just thirsting
for someone I can put my claws into. Please steer me to someone with some
intelligence as I am dying from all these confounded idiots that I am
constantly confronted with. Oh God, I would give my soul for someone with a
brain to fight with.

Where the hell is Tom Sherman of ARBR when I want to kill someone. Nope, he
is never around when I need him. He seems to know how to make himself scarce
when I am on the warpath.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Jul 2007 22:51:27
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <y92dnUocDaeeCxXbnZ2dnUVZ_tqnnZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > writes:
>
> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:t2u96f.fc.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
>>> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
>>> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>>
>> No. Only by what they (we) say.
>>
>> You'd be hard-pressed to figure me out ;-)
>>
>> That's okay. I'm hard-pressed to figure anybody out, too.
>>
>> And I don't even wanna. I just plain like everybody,
>> however they present their (our) personae. As long as
>> they (we) have some kindness in their hearts.
>
> I charge Tom Keats with being the most terrible liar who has ever existed on
> Usenet. He has always hated me from day one as I have him.

Au contraire, mon frere. I hug you into my loving bosom,
you poor lost soul. You beautiful flower!

May your Almighty bless you with many sons!

And a bunch of daughters, too. Maybe more daughters than sons.

Anyways, lots of 'em.

Good luck,
Tom

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Date: 02 Jul 2007 14:13:45
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In rec.bicycles.misc Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> May your Almighty bless you with many sons!
>
> And a bunch of daughters, too. Maybe more daughters than sons.

WildlyOT: I've always been fonder of the idea of daughters. Which makes
me happy, because I have two. But many people seem to have an absolute
mania for sons. Which I really don't understand.

People have actually asked "Are you going to have another, so you can
have a boy?"

Not only no, but hell no. If we had three, we'd be outnumbered!

--
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"Communism is like one big phone company." -Lenny Bruce

Date: 02 Jul 2007 02:24:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:vo3a6f.2g.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <y92dnUocDaeeCxXbnZ2dnUVZ_tqnnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>>
>> "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:t2u96f.fc.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>>> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
>>>> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
>>>> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>>>
>>> No. Only by what they (we) say.
>>>
>>> You'd be hard-pressed to figure me out ;-)
>>>
>>> That's okay. I'm hard-pressed to figure anybody out, too.
>>>
>>> And I don't even wanna. I just plain like everybody,
>>> however they present their (our) personae. As long as
>>> they (we) have some kindness in their hearts.
>>
>> I charge Tom Keats with being the most terrible liar who has ever existed
>> on
>> Usenet. He has always hated me from day one as I have him.
>
> Au contraire, mon frere. I hug you into my loving bosom,
> you poor lost soul. You beautiful flower!
>
> May your Almighty bless you with many sons!
>
> And a bunch of daughters, too. Maybe more daughters than sons.
>
> Anyways, lots of 'em.

Here is Tom Keats pretending to be a Muslim. In any event, no one these days
gives a good god damn about sons and daughters. In fact, it is a blessing
not to have them.

Of course there is no Almighty. There never has been and there never will
be. But how do you explain this to someone as dumb as Tom Keats.

I urge Tom Keats to use his muscles on the docks of Vancouver and to never
engage his brain - since he obviously does not have one. Leave the thinking
to those of us who are capable of it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Jul 2007 21:14:21
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com > writes:

> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
> they're wearing and what they're riding.

No. Only by what they (we) say.

You'd be hard-pressed to figure me out ;-)

That's okay. I'm hard-pressed to figure anybody out, too.

And I don't even wanna. I just plain like everybody,
however they present their (our) personae. As long as
they (we) have some kindness in their hearts.

Back when the Molson Indy car race was running in Vancouver,
this would have been a good question to ask during our
erstwhile Wholesome Undie ride.

The World Naked Bike Ride still occurs. I don't participate.
I have nothing to express in that venue.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Date: 02 Jul 2007 01:06:47
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:t2u96f.fc.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
>> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
>> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>
> No. Only by what they (we) say.
>
> You'd be hard-pressed to figure me out ;-)
>
> That's okay. I'm hard-pressed to figure anybody out, too.
>
> And I don't even wanna. I just plain like everybody,
> however they present their (our) personae. As long as
> they (we) have some kindness in their hearts.

I charge Tom Keats with being the most terrible liar who has ever existed on
Usenet. He has always hated me from day one as I have him. But then I have
mostly nothing but hatred in my heart for one and all. Yea, I find that I
even hate my fellow conservatives almost as much as I hate liberals like Tom
Keats.

Kindness is vastly overrated. It is mostly founded on dumbness, which Tom
Keats has in excess. What is needed in this world that we presently inhabit
are lots of killers who will dispose of liberals like him.

Tom Keats is a working class stiff on the docks of Vancouver and basically
knows nothing about nothing, Working class stiffs like him ought to shut up.
They can be seen (at a distance) but they should never be heard.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 30 Jun 2007 17:13:25
From: Elisa Francesca Roselli
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Claire wrote:

> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.

Well, I've given up riding in wafty skirts, because they kept getting
caught in the chain. My current wardrobe is based on knee-length or
mid-calf length knickerbockers or corsaire trousers, loose enough not to
catch my legs at the up-pedal, and generally in stretchy knitted fabric.
I don't have the body for lycra, alas. Then I wear a bright t-shirt in a
coordinating color, and if it's warm enough, perhaps a sleek nylon
wind-breaker. I have these outfits in mauve, magenta, khaki and yellow,
blue, and white. Underneath I have padded undershorts. Cheap blue
helmet. Support stockings to the knee and shoes called Allrounders" by
Mephisto, a firm that specializes in ultra-comfortable walking shoes.
The shoes have very high treds that cling well to the pedals.

Bike: Flyzipper the folding Dahon, upright handlebars, chain-guard, no
flashy accessories because of weight limitations. On the back rack, a
large shopping tote for bikes from the Netherlands holds my handbag and
waterbottle.

I don't know what's a Fred, but I don't think I'm competent or flashy
enough in the saddle to count as a poseur.

Cheers all,
EFR
Ile de France

Date: 30 Jun 2007 17:46:07
From: It's Chris
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance Elisa

Knickerbockers? Really?

You win the All-Tyme-Retro-Biker award fer sure, dear!

- -
Compliments of:
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

If you want to E-mail me use:
ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

My website:
http://geocities.com/czcorner

Date: 29 Jun 2007 21:06:22
From: It's Chris
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

BTW, Claire, got any pics of yourself in those shorts? ;-3)

- -
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"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

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My website:
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Date: 29 Jun 2007 21:05:44
From: It's Chris
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

ME:
1. Specialized aero helmet (poser)
- with a rear view mirror (Fred),
- Aero-shield (poser),
- and a wild turkey feather I found on the roadside (Fred).
2. Nashbar solid royal blue vented jersey (Fred).
- First aid kit in center back pocket (Fred)
3. Kucharic lycra shorts (poser).
4. Lake "touring" shoes (Fred, I guess)
- cleated (poser).
5. Nashbar crochet gloves (Fred).
6. Energy bars (poser)
- made by Nature Valley and bought in supemarket (Fred).
7. Bicycle specific socks advertising gut buster century, (not poser if
you really did the ride shown on them, is it?).

BICYCLE:
1. Schwinn lugged steel touring frame (Fred).
- NO CAMPY (proudly Fred)
2. Biopace chainwheels (DEFINITLY Fred!)
3. EggBeater Pedals (poser)
4. Brooks B-17 leather saddle, well aged and broken in (poser)
5. Full size frame pump (Fred).
6. Traditionl single function brakes (Fred)
- Aero style (poser).
7. Bar-Con shifters (Fred)
- index rear (poser)
- friction front (Fred).
8. Genuine laced leather handlebar wrap and brake hood covers
(Individualistic).
9. CycloSport Alti computer with all sorts of functions (poser)
- BUT, not wireless (Fred)
10. Polar (poser) water bottles (Fred).

Since all of this was chosen over many many miles to suit me perectly,
yes, I would say the ride describes the rider.

- -
Compliments of:
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

If you want to E-mail me use:
ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

My website:
http://geocities.com/czcorner

Date: 29 Jun 2007 12:51:35
From:
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

> \snip
>
> I've attached shiny silver streamers to the bar-cons on my joe-bike
> and I'll be damned if it doesn't feel that I get passed more
> carefully. Other cyclists have mentioned getting the same impression.
> Three of my bikes now sport streamers*. They're fun.
>
> Bright coloured plastic, live, silk or tissue paper flowers attached
> to the bike also seem to mellow a lot of drivers' attitudes.
>
> I think decorated bikes and/or whacky hats and/or uncharacteristic
> clothing may create "mental speed bumps" for drivers.
>
> * The DIY streamers cut from metallic backed mylar factory waste are
> noisier and have more aero drag than the DIY streamers made from
> mylar xmas tinsel the dollar store sells.
--

Here's a product that takes the fred - > poseur spectrum and makes it a
continuum:
http://www.cbike.com/bartape.htm (the deda chrome tape midway down the
page)
-Rick
(ps I am IN NO WAY AFFILIATED WITH CBIKE.COM)

Date: 29 Jun 2007 19:44:35
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jun 29, 12:55 pm, Zoot Katz <zootk...@operamail.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:55:29 -0700, "Cathy Kearns"
> <cathy_kea...@yahoo.com> wrote, in part:
>
>
>
> >> So obviously drivers following you assumed you to be an incompetent
> >> liquorbike cyclist, since you weren't wearing your shiny clothes on the
> >> fast bike, right?
>
> >They do. And I appreciate the extra room they give me. Which makes me
> >wonder whether when out riding my road bike if I should dress less for
> >exercise and more dorky. And if it's true, how much comfort should one give
> >up hoping for added safety from cars?
> >I liked the idea that someone mentioned, if he sees a car coming from behind
> >too close he does a wobble, to see if they pull off.
>
> \snip
>
> I've attached shiny silver streamers to the bar-cons on my joe-bike
> and I'll be damned if it doesn't feel that I get passed more
> carefully. Other cyclists have mentioned getting the same impression.
> Three of my bikes now sport streamers*. They're fun.

I don't know if it's Snell approved, but:

http://tinyurl.com/376s2s

Date: 29 Jun 2007 15:31:24
From: Luigi de Guzman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:11:25 -0700, Cathy Kearns wrote:

> "Claire" <cpetersky@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
>> riding, on your last ride.
>
> Hmm, last ride...cotton walking shorts and button down blouse, hurrache
> sandals, fashion sun glasses riding my Breezer Uptown
>
> http://www.breezerbikes.com/bike_details.cfm?bikeType=town&frame=d&bike=uptown
>
> Yep, the red one. Had large, grocery bag size panniers attached, carrying
> takeout sushi home.

So obviously drivers following you assumed you to be an incompetent
liquorbike cyclist, since you weren't wearing your shiny clothes on the
fast bike, right?

--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

Date: 29 Jun 2007 09:55:29
From: Cathy Kearns
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Luigi de Guzman" <luigi12081@cox.net > wrote in message
news:gB9hi.2044$%K1.1389@newsfe21.lga...
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:11:25 -0700, Cathy Kearns wrote:
>
> So obviously drivers following you assumed you to be an incompetent
> liquorbike cyclist, since you weren't wearing your shiny clothes on the
> fast bike, right?

They do. And I appreciate the extra room they give me. Which makes me
wonder whether when out riding my road bike if I should dress less for
exercise and more dorky. And if it's true, how much comfort should one give
up hoping for added safety from cars?

I liked the idea that someone mentioned, if he sees a car coming from behind
too close he does a wobble, to see if they pull off. Certainly, if they
don't look steady in the few seconds I'm watching them ride I know to give
them extra room. (And I truely don't care whether they really need the
extra room, or just would be more comfortable with the extra room. Either
way, as long as they let me know...) However, as a driver who too often
gets to share these hilly roads up in road bike heaven, if I assumed every
cyclist needed a full lane plus bike lane, traffic would be a mess. (And I
have followed drivers who assume that. And yeah, 3 miles at 12mph instead
of 40mph does grate on my driving nerves...) Yet the only cyclist I've
found around here that I'm willing to give the 3 foot min. clearance that
they toy with in the legislature is the cyclist wearing shiny free stuff
(yep, those club team riders...). The folks wearing the shiny stuff they
had to pay for I'm willing to give at least 6 feet, though I do give them
noticably more the closer they are to a LBS. (Though I don't differentiate
between the expensive stuff and cheaper jerseys because my husband rides,
and his friends ride, and I know how much of that stuff is father's day or
holiday presents.) Then there are the children and others I feel I need to
never pass unless I can give them enough room to swerve then lay in my lane,
because that isn't unlikely to happen. Adults in this category for me are
usually those wearing what they consider clothes they can get sweaty in and
helmets old and brittle enough to be shattered by a pine cone. I love that
they are out there cycling, but I'm not going to trust that they won't fall
over trying to swerve around each other. And I don't want to be the one
that hits them if they do.

Though really stupid things do seem to span the range. Just yesterday I saw
not one, but two cyclist that should have stopped at a light at a major
intersection (expressway and major street) turn right, go up 20 yards, MAKE
A U TURN ACROSS 4 LANES OF MOVING TRAFFIC, then continue back down and get
back on the expressway they started on, going the same direction. They
were in the "shiny, but I paid for it myself" category. On the other hand,
I also saw two ladies in heels (so you know they can't make a run for it)
getting stuck in the middle of a busy street because they didn't want to go
another 100 feet and cross at the cross walk with the light. So it's not
just cyclists.

Date: 29 Jun 2007 14:19:36
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Cathy Kearns" <cathy_kearns@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:cQahi.8131$bP5.1975@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Luigi de Guzman" <luigi12081@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:gB9hi.2044$%K1.1389@newsfe21.lga...
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:11:25 -0700, Cathy Kearns wrote:
>>
>> So obviously drivers following you assumed you to be an incompetent
>> liquorbike cyclist, since you weren't wearing your shiny clothes on the
>> fast bike, right?
>
> They do. And I appreciate the extra room they give me. Which makes me
> wonder whether when out riding my road bike if I should dress less for
> exercise and more dorky. And if it's true, how much comfort should one
> give up hoping for added safety from cars?

Cathy is a female cyclist with some brains. How refreshing after Claire
Petersky, the champion whore of all cycling newsgroups.

> I liked the idea that someone mentioned, if he sees a car coming from
> behind too close he does a wobble, to see if they pull off. Certainly, if
> they don't look steady in the few seconds I'm watching them ride I know to
> give them extra room. (And I truely don't care whether they really need
> the extra room, or just would be more comfortable with the extra room.
> Either way, as long as they let me know...) However, as a driver who too
> often gets to share these hilly roads up in road bike heaven, if I assumed
> every cyclist needed a full lane plus bike lane, traffic would be a mess.
> (And I have followed drivers who assume that. And yeah, 3 miles at 12mph
> instead of 40mph does grate on my driving nerves...) Yet the only cyclist
> I've found around here that I'm willing to give the 3 foot min. clearance
> that they toy with in the legislature is the cyclist wearing shiny free
> stuff (yep, those club team riders...). The folks wearing the shiny stuff
> they had to pay for I'm willing to give at least 6 feet, though I do give
> them noticably more the closer they are to a LBS. (Though I don't
> differentiate between the expensive stuff and cheaper jerseys because my
> husband rides, and his friends ride, and I know how much of that stuff is
> father's day or holiday presents.) Then there are the children and others
> I feel I need to never pass unless I can give them enough room to swerve
> then lay in my lane, because that isn't unlikely to happen. Adults in
> this category for me are usually those wearing what they consider clothes
> they can get sweaty in and helmets old and brittle enough to be shattered
> by a pine cone. I love that they are out there cycling, but I'm not going
> to trust that they won't fall over trying to swerve around each other.
> And I don't want to be the one that hits them if they do.

Cathy is a female cyclist with some brains. How refreshing after Claire
Petersky, the champion whore of all cycling newsgroups.

> Though really stupid things do seem to span the range. Just yesterday I
> saw not one, but two cyclist that should have stopped at a light at a
> major intersection (expressway and major street) turn right, go up 20
> yards, MAKE A U TURN ACROSS 4 LANES OF MOVING TRAFFIC, then continue back
> down and get back on the expressway they started on, going the same
> direction. They were in the "shiny, but I paid for it myself" category.
> On the other hand, I also saw two ladies in heels (so you know they can't
> make a run for it) getting stuck in the middle of a busy street because
> they didn't want to go another 100 feet and cross at the cross walk with
> the light. So it's not just cyclists.

Cathy is a female cyclist with some brains. How refreshing after Claire
Petersky, the champion whore of all cycling newsgroups.

Best Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jun 2007 10:55:52
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:55:29 -0700, "Cathy Kearns"
<cathy_kearns@yahoo.com > wrote, in part:

>>
>> So obviously drivers following you assumed you to be an incompetent
>> liquorbike cyclist, since you weren't wearing your shiny clothes on the
>> fast bike, right?
>
>They do. And I appreciate the extra room they give me. Which makes me
>wonder whether when out riding my road bike if I should dress less for
>exercise and more dorky. And if it's true, how much comfort should one give
>up hoping for added safety from cars?

>I liked the idea that someone mentioned, if he sees a car coming from behind
>too close he does a wobble, to see if they pull off.
\snip

I've attached shiny silver streamers to the bar-cons on my joe-bike
and I'll be damned if it doesn't feel that I get passed more
carefully. Other cyclists have mentioned getting the same impression.
Three of my bikes now sport streamers*. They're fun.

Bright coloured plastic, live, silk or tissue paper flowers attached
to the bike also seem to mellow a lot of drivers' attitudes.

I think decorated bikes and/or whacky hats and/or uncharacteristic
clothing may create "mental speed bumps" for drivers.

* The DIY streamers cut from metallic backed mylar factory waste are
noisier and have more aero drag than the DIY streamers made from
mylar xmas tinsel the dollar store sells.
--
zk

Date: 29 Jun 2007 15:50:24
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Zoot Katz wrote:
::
:: I've attached shiny silver streamers to the bar-cons on my joe-bike
:: and I'll be damned if it doesn't feel that I get passed more
:: carefully. Other cyclists have mentioned getting the same impression.
:: Three of my bikes now sport streamers*. They're fun.
::
:: Bright coloured plastic, live, silk or tissue paper flowers attached
:: to the bike also seem to mellow a lot of drivers' attitudes.
::

Hmm...around here I think I'd get hassled if I had "streamers" on either of
my bikes.

:: I think decorated bikes and/or whacky hats and/or uncharacteristic
:: clothing may create "mental speed bumps" for drivers.
::
:: * The DIY streamers cut from metallic backed mylar factory waste are
:: noisier and have more aero drag than the DIY streamers made from
:: mylar xmas tinsel the dollar store sells.
:: --
:: zk

Date: 29 Jun 2007 13:13:20
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:50:24 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
<rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote:

>:: I've attached shiny silver streamers to the bar-cons on my joe-bike
>:: and I'll be damned if it doesn't feel that I get passed more
>:: carefully. Other cyclists have mentioned getting the same impression.
>:: Three of my bikes now sport streamers*. They're fun.
>::
>:: Bright coloured plastic, live, silk or tissue paper flowers attached
>:: to the bike also seem to mellow a lot of drivers' attitudes.
>::
>
>Hmm...around here I think I'd get hassled if I had "streamers" on either of
>my bikes.

Try 'em and find out. They're easy enough to remove.

Perhaps the reality is that I may unconsciously be riding differently
with the streamers attached.

There are also anecdotes suggesting that bikes with streamers are
less appealing to thieves.
--
zk

Date: 29 Jun 2007 08:11:25
From: Cathy Kearns
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Claire" <cpetersky@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride.

Hmm, last ride...cotton walking shorts and button down blouse, hurrache
sandals, fashion sun glasses riding my Breezer Uptown

http://www.breezerbikes.com/bike_details.cfm?bikeType=town&frame=d&bike=uptown

Yep, the red one. Had large, grocery bag size panniers attached, carrying
takeout sushi home.

Date: 29 Jun 2007 12:25:48
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Jun 28, 11:46 pm, Claire <cpeter...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.
>
> CLOTHING
> Reflective stickers festooned on helmet (Fred)
> Bandana as snot rag (Fred)
> Old, grease-speckled t-shirt (Fred)
> - T-shirt was for Bicycle to Work Day so has sponsorship logos on
> back (poser)
> Expensive, brand-name bike shorts (poser)
> - only Pearl Izumi Ultrasensors, not Microsensors (Fred)
> - worn and washed so many times, the lycra and elastic are wearing
> thing (Fred)
> Bicycling specific socks (poser)
> - wool, not coordinated to outfit (Fred)
> Bicycling specific shoes (poser)
> - ancient, scuffed commuter shoes (Fred)
>
> BICYCLE
> Expensive custom-made frame (poser)
> - steel (Fred)
> Brifters as opposed to, say, bar-end shifters (poser)
> Shimano Ultegra components (poser)
> - not Dura Ace (Fred)
> - not Campy (Fred)
> Rack (Fred)
> - expensive tubus brand (poser)
> - german tail light made especially for tubus rack (poser)
> - also cheap blinky attached with kludgey rubber band and clamp
> (Fred)
> Full fenders (Fred)
> - color coordinated to go with tubus rack (poser)
> - ancient, peeling reflective tape on fenders (Fred)
>
> So, you pass me along the road, what would your judgement be? Fred? Or
> Poser?
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Claire Petersky
> (no .sig right now, I'm tired)

Last ride I wore not only cycling specific socks, but they had the
matching logo for my bike. And the rest of my clothes were also
festooned with the logo of my bike, and were of course color
coordinated with the bike too. Needless to say my helmet is also color
cordinated. When I go on club rides wearing the club clothes I have a
different helmet that matches the club clothes colors. I ride with my
mini pump in my jersey pocket instead of using the handy water bottle
boss mounted clip it came with. In the winter (when it gets dark) I
ride with my rear light in my pocket and only mount it at the last
minute.

As far as fredliness goes I think posture is much more of a
determinate than gear or clothes. I see folks with all the right gear
who comport themselves in such a fredly manner that it doesn't matter
what gear the have. And I sometimes see folks with fredliest of fredly
gear who somehow belie their fredliness by the effortless grace they
show on the bike.

So far I think I win in the poser department. But I have never seen
myself ride so maybe I'm just a big fred.

Joseph

Date: 29 Jun 2007 05:58:17
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On 2007-06-28, Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com > wrote:
> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.

Wearing:
- Cotton shorts
- Loose-fitting jersey with permanent chain lube stain
- Vest (morning only)
- Regular white gym socks
- Helmet with LED blinky on the back, left over from winter
- Cycling shoes
- Mountain bike style, usually with residual dirt

Riding:
- Bike weighing just over 10% of my weight
- Still not *that* light
- Festooned with at least another 5 pounds of gear
- Drop bars
- With cyclocross levers
- Brifters
- Tiagra
- Triple crank
- With aftermarket 26t granny
- Cassette's not exactly a corncob either
- Clipless pedals
- Mountain bike type
- Fenders
- Rack
- Trunk bag
- Permanently mounted tail light
- Mount handcrafted from spare rack brackets, shims, and glue

I'm pretty sure I know which column that puts me in. In winter,
substitute a rigid steel mountain bike with studded tires, two
headlights, and a rear blinky held on by velcro, zip ties, and luck.

Date: 29 Jun 2007 06:04:19
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On 2007-06-29, Steve Gravrock <usenet@sdg.users.panix.com > wrote:

[snip list]

I forgot the Road Morph pump, held on by two non-matching zip ties. Do
I still get double fred points if one of the zip ties came with the
pump?

The bike also has a sloping top tube, which probably gives me unlimited
fred points from the perspective of some.

Date: 29 Jun 2007 05:50:01
From: Mark Shroyer
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Date: 28 Jun 2007 22:26:44
From: Brian
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

What, no *commuter* classification?

(appropriate name? "Slogger" perhaps?)

Dudes, Freds, or Poseurs...we all in this together, peeps.

B.

Who rides an elegant and much-customised hybrid roadie and dresses depending
on the weather that morning.

Oh, and the certain sign of the cycle commuter: a pack that could be
accurately described as "an apartment with straps".

Date: 28 Jun 2007 22:43:33
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:46:56 -0700, Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com >
wrote:
Claire, you'd be a Fred-ly type that would leave me scratching my
helmet. Fred with nice custom bike? Even if it's a commuter bike
with fenders, it's still custom!

OK, me:
CLOTHING
Helmet with visor, on a road bike (Fred, but it did keep the rain
off...)
Glasses, prescription bifocals (Fred)
Bandanna rolled up as sweat band (Fred)
House-brand cycling jersey (Fred with delusions of poser)
Expensive, brand-name bike shorts (poser)
Generic, cotton athletic socks (Fred)
Cycling specific shoes (poser)
- old, suede commuter shoes (poser)

BICYCLE
Cheap touring frame (Fred)
- steel (Fred)
- mis-matched replacement frame with original, non-matching color fork
(Fred)
Brifters (poser)
-Campy (poser)
-One Daytona, one Centaur (different names, same group -- is this
Fredly?)
Rack (Fred)
-cheap OEM rack (Fred)
B17 leather saddle (Fred)
Inexpensive blinky butt on seatpost (Fred)
One expensive, name brand pannier (poser/2)
Rear fender (Fred; haven't gotten around to putting the front one on
the new frame)
Road morph pump (poser)

This list puts me solidly in the Fred camp, I guess. Funny, but I
usually feel more like a poser commuting on this bike, just because I
have a rack and one or two panniers, instead of a backpack, and smooth
tires; both of these are unlike 80% of the bikes I pass on most
commutes.

Pat

Email address works as is.

Date: 29 Jun 2007 15:52:30
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:k4v8839g6loge1jk396sc2a7jk7rp9oend@4ax.com...

> One expensive, name brand pannier (poser/2)

Any pannier, even expensive - you're a Fred. Ask Fabs, he'd tell you.

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

Date: 30 Jun 2007 16:51:29
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:52:30 GMT, "Claire Petersky"
<cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:

>"Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:k4v8839g6loge1jk396sc2a7jk7rp9oend@4ax.com...
>
>> One expensive, name brand pannier (poser/2)
>
>
>Any pannier, even expensive - you're a Fred. Ask Fabs, he'd tell you.

Oh, you didn't say we were going by Fabs standards! My BMI is over
20, my bike weighs more than 20 pounds, therefore I'm a Fred...

Pat

Email address works as is.

Date: 30 Jun 2007 00:14:47
From: Mike Kruger
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Possibly relevant to this thread is this headline:
Scientists fly into raptures over flightless Fred
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070629/sc_nm/mauritius_dodo_dc_1;_ylt=AnsmB9PWNZn3gGQbLiqyFnJkM3wV

'The remains of a dodo found in a cave beneath bamboo and tea plantations in
Mauritius offer the best chance yet to learn about the extinct flightless
bird ... nicknamed Fred."

--
Mike Kruger

Date: 29 Jun 2007 14:07:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Claire Petersky" <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message
news:2V9hi.2136$zA4.621@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:k4v8839g6loge1jk396sc2a7jk7rp9oend@4ax.com...
>
>> One expensive, name brand pannier (poser/2)
>
>
> Any pannier, even expensive - you're a Fred. Ask Fabs, he'd tell you.

Any brains? Just ask Claire, she will tell you.

Claire Petersky is from Seattle and is the mostly brainless female ever to
infest these cycling newsgroups. She will pose questions for the male numb
nuts and they will be sappy enough to respond. She is basically your cycling
whore who likes to twiddle numb nuts like Patrick Lamb. But he is a well
known sheep and who does not know his ass from sheep shit.

Claire is no doubt married to a sheep herself and so that is why she thinks
it is OK to twiddle numb nuts like Patrick Lamb. Folks, I do not know how
you get to be such a lamb myself, but then I have the normal dose of
testosterone flowing in my veins. In short, I am not a sheep like Patrick
Lamb for Claire Petersky, the champion whore of all cycling newsgroups, to
fiddle with.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49
From: DI
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:hcGdnUgvmobsxRjbnZ2dnUVZ_tWhnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
>
> Claire Petersky is from Seattle and is the mostly brainless female ever to
> infest these cycling newsgroups. She will pose questions for the male numb
> nuts and they will be sappy enough to respond. She is basically your
> cycling whore who likes to twiddle numb nuts like Patrick Lamb. But he is
> a well known sheep and who does not know his ass from sheep shit.
,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka Asshole
I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you old fat
ass.
>

Date: 30 Jun 2007 16:53:12
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net > quoted Ed
Dolan:
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka Asshole
>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you old fat
>ass.

Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
killfile less effective.

Pat

Email address works as is.

Date: 01 Jul 2007 17:02:38
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
> Dolan:
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka Asshole
>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you old fat
>>ass.
>
> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
> killfile less effective.
>
> Pat
>
> Email address works as is.

Patrick Lamb is dipped in sheep shit for sure. Not only does he not want to
hear the truth, he does not even want to know that it exists. But is that
not the case with all liberals? Is Patrick Lamb a ram or an ewe?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 30 Jun 2007 18:42:12
From: DI
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Date: 01 Jul 2007 17:06:07
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>
> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
>> Dolan:
>>>>
>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>> aka Asshole
>>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you old
>>>fat
>>>ass.
>>
>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
>> killfile less effective.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Email address works as is.
>
>
> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.

Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that others
may fuck your sorry ass all the better.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Jul 2007 17:36:35
From: DI
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>>
>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
>>> Dolan:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>>> aka Asshole
>>>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you old
>>>>fat
>>>>ass.
>>>
>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
>>> killfile less effective.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Email address works as is.
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
>
> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that others
> may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I offered to
meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was afraid of an ass
kicking.

Date: 30 Jul 2007 20:20:34
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in
news:R%Vhi.464937$g24.141276@newsfe12.phx:

>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>>>
>>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
>>>> Dolan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>>>> aka Asshole
>>>>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you
>>>>>old fat
>>>>>ass.
>>>>
>>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
>>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
>>>> killfile less effective.
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> Email address works as is.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
>>
>> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that
>> others may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
> Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I
> offered to meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was
> afraid of an ass kicking.
>
>

I called Mr Edward "The Shaking Coward" Dolan on the phone once for
kicks, The old man was so scared, he hung up.

If you would like you too can call him for fun and laughs.

My little brother is an over the road truck driver, and I asked him to
stop by Eddy house someday. He said sure, love to see an old man crap
in his pants

Anybody want his phone and/or address??

--
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 00:26:13
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Chris" <chris@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:46ae4811$0$16334$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in
> news:R%Vhi.464937$g24.141276@newsfe12.phx:
>
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>>> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>>>>
>>>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
>>>>> Dolan:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>>>>> aka Asshole
>>>>>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you
>>>>>>old fat
>>>>>>ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
>>>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
>>>>> killfile less effective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>> Email address works as is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
>>>
>>> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that
>>> others may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>>
>> Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I
>> offered to meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was
>> afraid of an ass kicking.
>>
>>
>
> I called Mr Edward "The Shaking Coward" Dolan on the phone once for
> kicks, The old man was so scared, he hung up.
>
> If you would like you too can call him for fun and laughs.
>
> My little brother is an over the road truck driver, and I asked him to
> stop by Eddy house someday. He said sure, love to see an old man crap
> in his pants
>
> Anybody want his phone and/or address??

Very curious since I do not have a telephone. Telephones are for assholes
like Chris who wants to communicate with other assholes like himself. If he
wants to fuck someone, I recommend his truck driving brother. After all,
they have assholes that are genetically related.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Aug 2007 19:34:03
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Chris who? wrote:
> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in
> news:R%Vhi.464937$g24.141276@newsfe12.phx:
>
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>>>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
>>>>> Dolan:
>>>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>>>>> aka Asshole
>>>>>> I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you
>>>>>> old fat
>>>>>> ass.
>>>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
>>>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
>>>>> killfile less effective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>> Email address works as is.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
>>> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that
>>> others may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>>
>> Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I
>> offered to meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was
>> afraid of an ass kicking.
>>
>>
>
> I called Mr Edward "The Shaking Coward" Dolan on the phone once for
> kicks, The old man was so scared, he hung up.
>
> If you would like you too can call him for fun and laughs.
>
> My little brother is an over the road truck driver, and I asked him to
> stop by Eddy house someday. He said sure, love to see an old man crap
> in his pants
>
> Anybody want his phone and/or address??

Eddie Dolan is just old and lonely, and needs attention.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

--
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 00:31:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:46b11a81$0$10114$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
[...]
> Eddie Dolan is just old and lonely, and needs attention.

Alone, but never lonely. Very curious to me that Tommy Sherman cannot grasp
this very elementary distinction since he is unmarried like I am.

As for being old, well, if you are lucky then maybe someday you will be old
too. The only way to avoid it is to die young. Any takers?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Aug 2007 19:52:25
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:34:03 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:

>Eddie Dolan is just old and lonely, and needs attention.

Has he met BS Bill "stupid sig" Sorni Sorenson?

<http://www.howtoavoidthebummerlife.com/weblog/archives/fatguyinspandex.jpg >

They're meant for each other. . .

and peaceably cohabitate my kill file.
--
zk

Date: 01 Aug 2007 20:28:40
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Snooty Putz wrote:
(after misspelling my name)

> They're meant for each other. . .

> and peaceably cohabitate my kill file.

Yeah, right.

Found a rare pic of Snoot actually smiling:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aiwaz.net/uploads/gallery/grotesque-head-945-mid.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aiwaz.net/panopticon/gi945c42&h=626&w=520&sz=122&hl=en&start=0&um=1&tbnid=xmIfNGQEobwf7M:&tbnh=136&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgrotesque%2Bnose%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c2coff%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US

Date: 01 Aug 2007 22:48:17
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Bill "Sorni" Sornson wrote:
> Snooty Putz wrote:
> (after misspelling my name)

Maybe it was the spell checker (mine wants to change "Sornson" to
"Sorenson")?

>> They're meant for each other. . .
>
>> and peaceably cohabitate my kill file.
>
> Yeah, right.
>
> Found a rare pic of Snoot actually smiling:
>
> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.aiwaz.net/uploads/gallery/grotesque-head-945-mid.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.aiwaz.net/panopticon/gi945c42&h=626&w=520&sz=122&hl=en&start=0&um=1&tbnid=xmIfNGQEobwf7M:&tbnh=136&tbnw=113&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgrotesque%2Bnose%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c2coff%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US

Where's the dinosaur suit?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

--
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 22:25:32
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Zoot Katz wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:34:03 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Eddie Dolan is just old and lonely, and needs attention.
>
> Has he met BS Bill "stupid sig" Sorni Sorenson?...

Actually, Ed Dolan claims to be a fan of "He Who Must Not Be Named" aka
"The Man Who Killed rec.bicycles.off-road".

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

--
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 17:58:49
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message
news:R%Vhi.464937$g24.141276@newsfe12.phx...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>>>
>>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
>>>> Dolan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>>>> aka Asshole
>>>>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you old
>>>>>fat
>>>>>ass.
>>>>
>>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
>>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
>>>> killfile less effective.
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> Email address works as is.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
>>
>> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that others
>> may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>>
> Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I offered to
> meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was afraid of an ass
> kicking.

Here is the anonymous, pseudonymous bully boy in full flower. He can't
figure out a simpleton like Claire Petersky, but he imagines that he knows
everything there is to know about me. Well, you have to humor these
dumbbells or they are quick to take offense.

Hey, DI, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen - or did you not
admire Harry Truman?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Jul 2007 19:05:09
From: DI
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:rradnTAFcIoprBXbnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:R%Vhi.464937$g24.141276@newsfe12.phx...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>>> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>>>>
>>>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
>>>>> Dolan:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>>>>> aka Asshole
>>>>>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you old
>>>>>>fat
>>>>>>ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
>>>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
>>>>> killfile less effective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>> Email address works as is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
>>>
>>> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that
>>> others may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>>>
>> Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I offered to
>> meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was afraid of an ass
>> kicking.
>
> Here is the anonymous, pseudonymous bully boy in full flower. He can't
> figure out a simpleton like Claire Petersky, but he imagines that he knows
> everything there is to know about me. Well, you have to humor these
> dumbbells or they are quick to take offense.
>
> Hey, DI, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen - or did you
> not admire Harry Truman?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
Yep, jello shaking again

Date: 01 Jul 2007 21:34:28
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message
news:ViXhi.464940$g24.70926@newsfe12.phx...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:rradnTAFcIoprBXbnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:R%Vhi.464937$g24.141276@newsfe12.phx...
>>>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>> news:99WdnZyaQJ3HuBXbnZ2dnUVZ_oytnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>>
>>>> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:oTBhi.32$Kf3.12@newsfe06.phx...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Patrick Lamb" <pdl678NOSPAM@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:c3kd835tjh50s7lm740nvlkkdgosk2u8jr@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:22:49 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> quoted Ed
>>>>>> Dolan:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>>>>>>> aka Asshole
>>>>>>>I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you
>>>>>>>old fat
>>>>>>>ass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a minor request, can you not quote this poster in his replies?
>>>>>> There's nothing he says I care to read, and your quoting makes my
>>>>>> killfile less effective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email address works as is.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, I should have asked permission before posting a reply.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you should have. Also, bend over and grab your ankles so that
>>>> others may fuck your sorry ass all the better.
>>>>
>>> Want to try it? You made a similar statement once before, I offered to
>>> meet you, you turned to a shaking bowl of jello who was afraid of an
>>> ass kicking.
>>
>> Here is the anonymous, pseudonymous bully boy in full flower. He can't
>> figure out a simpleton like Claire Petersky, but he imagines that he
>> knows everything there is to know about me. Well, you have to humor these
>> dumbbells or they are quick to take offense.
>>
>> Hey, DI, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen - or did you
>> not admire Harry Truman?
>
> Yep, jello shaking again

I propose that we have a duel with pistols on the Banks of the Ohio. Yea, it
must be the Banks of the Ohio as that is the only river in the US worth
dying by. I will engage Tom Sherman of ARBR to be my second and you can have
anyone you want. I will first have to see my eye doctor as my eye sight is
not so good anymore. In fact, I have trouble even seeing the side of a barn.

I suggest about 10 paces as any more than that I will not even see you. I
have a fine set of dueling pistols which I will let you choose. The most
important thing in this affair is to die with honor. God, if I cannot die
with honor, I do not want to die at all.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 02 Jul 2007 09:23:23
From: Tomasso
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:rradnTAFcIoprBXbnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com...

What a waste of a thread.

Time to change it in line with the Subject header.

In 1974, Alain Tanner directed a movie called "The Middle of the World" (France/Switzerland).

The lead female, at one point says, "when a man sees a woman naked, he thinks he knows her" (+/- translation).

Perhaps the inverse of this observation applies to cyclists. Is that what knicks were really invented for?

OTOH, there was another movies with the same title from Brazil (2003 I think). That movie is a road movie about a family and
bicycles.

Has anyone seen it?

At least any comments will improve this thread.

Tomasso.

Date: 01 Jul 2007 21:17:35
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Tomasso" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:4688374c$0$12830$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:rradnTAFcIoprBXbnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS, NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE ORIGINAL
MESSAGE TO WHICH HE IS RESPONDING.

> What a waste of a thread.
>
> Time to change it in line with the Subject header.
>
> In 1974, Alain Tanner directed a movie called "The Middle of the World"
> (France/Switzerland).
>
> The lead female, at one point says, "when a man sees a woman naked, he
> thinks he knows her" (+/- translation).
>
> Perhaps the inverse of this observation applies to cyclists. Is that what
> knicks were really invented for?
>
> OTOH, there was another movies with the same title from Brazil (2003 I
> think). That movie is a road movie about a family and bicycles.
>
> Has anyone seen it?
>
> At least any comments will improve this thread.

Nope, sorry, Tomasso, but your contribution did not improve this thread in
the slightest. You come across as a total idiot, but do not feel bad about
this as that is the condition of most of the posters to these freaking
cycling groups.

Well, let's face it, most cyclists, at least those who post to Usenet, are
imbeciles. Anyone with any intelligence would not be caught dead on a
cycling newsgroup.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:40:28
From: Tomasso
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Killfiled! Plonk.

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:HtudnTwxr8bW_RXbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Tomasso" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:4688374c$0$12830$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:rradnTAFcIoprBXbnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS, NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE ORIGINAL
> MESSAGE TO WHICH HE IS RESPONDING.
>
>> What a waste of a thread.
>>
>> Time to change it in line with the Subject header.
>>
>> In 1974, Alain Tanner directed a movie called "The Middle of the World"
>> (France/Switzerland).
>>
>> The lead female, at one point says, "when a man sees a woman naked, he
>> thinks he knows her" (+/- translation).
>>
>> Perhaps the inverse of this observation applies to cyclists. Is that what
>> knicks were really invented for?
>>
>> OTOH, there was another movies with the same title from Brazil (2003 I
>> think). That movie is a road movie about a family and bicycles.
>>
>> Has anyone seen it?
>>
>> At least any comments will improve this thread.
>
> Nope, sorry, Tomasso, but your contribution did not improve this thread in
> the slightest. You come across as a total idiot, but do not feel bad about
> this as that is the condition of most of the posters to these freaking
> cycling groups.
>
> Well, let's face it, most cyclists, at least those who post to Usenet, are
> imbeciles. Anyone with any intelligence would not be caught dead on a
> cycling newsgroup.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>

Date: 01 Jul 2007 22:23:58
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Tomasso" <Tomasso@blank.blank > wrote in message
news:4688659e$0$12840$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> Killfiled! Plonk.

See how easy it is to get rid of idiots!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:HtudnTwxr8bW_RXbnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "Tomasso" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:4688374c$0$12830$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>> news:rradnTAFcIoprBXbnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS, NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE ORIGINAL
>> MESSAGE TO WHICH HE IS RESPONDING.
>>
>>> What a waste of a thread.
>>>
>>> Time to change it in line with the Subject header.
>>>
>>> In 1974, Alain Tanner directed a movie called "The Middle of the World"
>>> (France/Switzerland).
>>>
>>> The lead female, at one point says, "when a man sees a woman naked, he
>>> thinks he knows her" (+/- translation).
>>>
>>> Perhaps the inverse of this observation applies to cyclists. Is that
>>> what knicks were really invented for?
>>>
>>> OTOH, there was another movies with the same title from Brazil (2003 I
>>> think). That movie is a road movie about a family and bicycles.
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen it?
>>>
>>> At least any comments will improve this thread.
>>
>> Nope, sorry, Tomasso, but your contribution did not improve this thread
>> in the slightest. You come across as a total idiot, but do not feel bad
>> about this as that is the condition of most of the posters to these
>> freaking cycling groups.
>>
>> Well, let's face it, most cyclists, at least those who post to Usenet,
>> are imbeciles. Anyone with any intelligence would not be caught dead on a
>> cycling newsgroup.

Date: 29 Jun 2007 16:23:50
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message
news:rUdhi.221624$Fk2.121954@newsfe08.phx...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:hcGdnUgvmobsxRjbnZ2dnUVZ_tWhnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>>
>> Claire Petersky is from Seattle and is the mostly brainless female ever
>> to infest these cycling newsgroups. She will pose questions for the male
>> numb nuts and they will be sappy enough to respond. She is basically your
>> cycling whore who likes to twiddle numb nuts like Patrick Lamb. But he is
>> a well known sheep and who does not know his ass from sheep shit.
>
> I will bet if you weren't 2,000 miles away she would also kick you old fat
> ass.

I have seen the likes of Claire Petersky on all of my week long group bike
tours that I do every summer here in the good old USA. They are basically
frustrated and want to be men like you and I.

I despise her type. She imagines herself the equal of us men in all
respects. Well, women are infinitely superior to men in some respects, but
they have never been known to have any brains. I like women for their
essential goodness, something that ALL men lack. But God help a poor woman
who wants to compete with us men in the brains department. They are simply
not up to it and there are none so stupid as Claire Petersky who imagines
that she is. I want women to be women and I want men to be men. What is
wrong with that? Biology 101.

Claire Petersky is nothing but a whore on these cycling newsgroups. She
titillates fools like you with her feminine shenanigans. God, there is
nothing dumber in this world that a dumb male. Try to get some smarts why
don't you?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jun 2007 18:36:12
From: DI
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:KsCdnYbQDZXy5RjbnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:rUdhi.221624$Fk2.121954@newsfe08.phx...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:hcGdnUgvmobsxRjbnZ2dnUVZ_tWhnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>
> I have seen the likes of Claire Petersky on all of my week long group bike
> tours that I do every summer here in the good old USA. They are basically
> frustrated and want to be men like you and I.

Don't say "you and I", there's no way I want to be in the same class as
someone as ignorant as you

>
> I despise her type. She imagines herself the equal of us men in all
> respects. Well, women are infinitely superior to men in some respects, but
> they have never been known to have any brains. I like women for their
> essential goodness, something that ALL men lack. But God help a poor woman
> who wants to compete with us men in the brains department. They are simply
> not up to it and there are none so stupid as Claire Petersky who imagines
> that she is. I want women to be women and I want men to be men. What is
> wrong with that? Biology 101.
>
> Claire Petersky is nothing but a whore on these cycling newsgroups. She
> titillates fools like you with her feminine shenanigans. God, there is
> nothing dumber in this world that a dumb male. Try to get some smarts why
> don't you?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

I don't know her so I'm not going to judge her, but I am judging you, and
are betting she can out bike you, much smarter, and more popular with the
peers. At least she appears to have a life.

>
>

Date: 29 Jun 2007 20:37:15
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message
news:MHghi.13482$uq2.11805@newsfe06.phx...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:KsCdnYbQDZXy5RjbnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:rUdhi.221624$Fk2.121954@newsfe08.phx...
>>>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hcGdnUgvmobsxRjbnZ2dnUVZ_tWhnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>>
>>
>> I have seen the likes of Claire Petersky on all of my week long group
>> bike tours that I do every summer here in the good old USA. They are
>> basically frustrated and want to be men like you and I.
>
> Don't say "you and I", there's no way I want to be in the same class as
> someone as ignorant as you

You fall for every feminine wile that has ever existed from time immemorial.
I ask you, how did you ever get to be so dumb and servile?

>> I despise her type. She imagines herself the equal of us men in all
>> respects. Well, women are infinitely superior to men in some respects,
>> but they have never been known to have any brains. I like women for their
>> essential goodness, something that ALL men lack. But God help a poor
>> woman who wants to compete with us men in the brains department. They are
>> simply not up to it and there are none so stupid as Claire Petersky who
>> imagines that she is. I want women to be women and I want men to be men.
>> What is wrong with that? Biology 101.
>>
>> Claire Petersky is nothing but a whore on these cycling newsgroups. She
>> titillates fools like you with her feminine shenanigans. God, there is
>> nothing dumber in this world that a dumb male. Try to get some smarts why
>> don't you?
>
> I don't know her so I'm not going to judge her, but I am judging you, and
> are betting she can out bike you, much smarter, and more popular with the
> peers. At least she appears to have a life.

Claire only has a life via the likes of you and similar dumbbells. Trust me
on this DI, I know her for what she is. I would make short work of her in a
real life confrontation. She would soon be weeping and I would have to have
pity on her. Yea, that is the way of all women.

God Damn It! Women need to be women and men need to be men. What is so
difficult about this for you to understand.

We men are all bastards, pure and simple. All I require of women is that
they be like the Blessed Virgin Mary. If they are like her, I will worship
them for the goddesses that they are.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jun 2007 21:18:48
From: DI
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:JYqdnWaAAa9JLhjbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
>>
> You fall for every feminine wile that has ever existed from time
> immemorial. I ask you, how did you ever get to be so dumb and servile?
>
> Claire only has a life via the likes of you and similar dumbbells. Trust
> me on this DI, I know her for what she is. I would make short work of her
> in a real life confrontation. She would soon be weeping and I would have
> to have pity on her. Yea, that is the way of all women.
>
> God Damn It! Women need to be women and men need to be men. What is so
> difficult about this for you to understand.
>
> We men are all bastards, pure and simple. All I require of women is that
> they be like the Blessed Virgin Mary. If they are like her, I will worship
> them for the goddesses that they are.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>

Enough said, you have described yourself perfectly. I actually feel sorry
for you, you must live a very lonely, miserable life.

Date: 01 Jul 2007 16:57:07
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message
news:d4jhi.9536$oh3.8477@newsfe03.phx...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:JYqdnWaAAa9JLhjbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>>>
>> You fall for every feminine wile that has ever existed from time
>> immemorial. I ask you, how did you ever get to be so dumb and servile?
>>
>> Claire only has a life via the likes of you and similar dumbbells. Trust
>> me on this DI, I know her for what she is. I would make short work of her
>> in a real life confrontation. She would soon be weeping and I would have
>> to have pity on her. Yea, that is the way of all women.
>>
>> God Damn It! Women need to be women and men need to be men. What is so
>> difficult about this for you to understand.
>>
>> We men are all bastards, pure and simple. All I require of women is that
>> they be like the Blessed Virgin Mary. If they are like her, I will
>> worship them for the goddesses that they are.
>
> Enough said, you have described yourself perfectly. I actually feel sorry
> for you, you must live a very lonely, miserable life.

All lives are equally lonely and miserable. It is only dumbbells like you
who do not know this. Just ask Tom Sherman of ARBR. He will tell you how
miserable life can be. After all, he is a civil engineer and he KNOWS!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jun 2007 02:37:54
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Date: 29 Jun 2007 21:14:31
From: It's Chris
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance Landlotter

Love the Green flip-flops, nice touch!

And did I really forget the spoke count?

36, front and rear straight 14Ga. laced X-three everywhere (Fred)

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Compliments of:
"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

If you want to E-mail me use:
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 21:36:47
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Claire" <cpetersky@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> OK, so the recent thread about judging cyclists lead me to wonder if
> we can determine anything about the members of this newsgroup by what
> they're wearing and what they're riding.
>
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.
>
> CLOTHING
> Reflective stickers festooned on helmet (Fred)
> Bandana as snot rag (Fred)
> Old, grease-speckled t-shirt (Fred)
> - T-shirt was for Bicycle to Work Day so has sponsorship logos on
> back (poser)
> Expensive, brand-name bike shorts (poser)
> - only Pearl Izumi Ultrasensors, not Microsensors (Fred)
> - worn and washed so many times, the lycra and elastic are wearing
> thing (Fred)
> Bicycling specific socks (poser)
> - wool, not coordinated to outfit (Fred)
> Bicycling specific shoes (poser)
> - ancient, scuffed commuter shoes (Fred)
>
> BICYCLE
> Expensive custom-made frame (poser)
> - steel (Fred)
> Brifters as opposed to, say, bar-end shifters (poser)
> Shimano Ultegra components (poser)
> - not Dura Ace (Fred)
> - not Campy (Fred)
> Rack (Fred)
> - expensive tubus brand (poser)
> - german tail light made especially for tubus rack (poser)
> - also cheap blinky attached with kludgey rubber band and clamp
> (Fred)
> Full fenders (Fred)
> - color coordinated to go with tubus rack (poser)
> - ancient, peeling reflective tape on fenders (Fred)
>
> So, you pass me along the road, what would your judgement be? Fred? Or
> Poser?
>
> Warm Regards,
>
>
> Claire Petersky
> (no .sig right now, I'm tired)

Hey, Claire, did anyone in your entire life ever tell you that you are an
idiot. Well, I am telling you now. The main thing I would like to know is
did you have to learn how to be such an idiot or were you born that way.

Well, no one that I ever knew claimed women had any brains. Yes, they can
jibber-jabber, but that is about all they can do.

When I was a kid, the other kids told me that all a girl was ever good for
was fucking. Being the Great Saint that I was becoming, I did not believe
them, but I wonder if I was not wrong about this. Maybe Claire could post a
picture of herself somewhere on the Internet so the rest of us could see if
she is even good for that very minimal requirement.

I have never known Claire to post a message to this newsgroup that made any
sense to me whatever. This level of idiotic consistency is truly remarkable
as most women occasionally exhibit SOME signs of intelligence. Poor Claire,
I would feel sorry for her if she weren't such a feminine female.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jun 2007 02:06:03
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On 2007-06-28, Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com > wrote:
>
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred. I will go first, with guesses as to where I'd be sorted.

CLOTHING
Cheap DuoFold t-shirt from Capmor (?)
North Face cargo shorts (Fred)
Performance house-brand bike gloves (Fred)
Champion cotton/poly blnd socks from Costco (Fred)
Speedo water shoes (Masochist Fred)
10-year old Gary fisher mountain bike helmet with mirror (Fred)

BICYCLE
Trek 1000 (Low-rent poseur)
With Freddy Fenders (Fred)
And a front rack (Fred)
And a rear rack (Fred)
Topeak RoadMorph frame mini-pump (Poseur)
Topeak Survival Wedge (?)
Garmin eTrex Legend GPS unit (Poseur)
Reflective tape on fenders, stays and front fork (Fred)

9 Fred, 3 poseur, 2 unknown. Not surprised.

My initmidating Germany jersey from Performance may need to come out to
regain some of my diginity.

--

__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)

Date: 29 Jun 2007 03:06:39
From: Mike Kruger
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Rate these guys:
http://bikewinter.org/events/rampage/2004/santa-bye-big.jpg

CLOTHING
Exclusive kit (poseur)
Uniform from a club you don't belong to (poseur)
Impersonating somebody you are not (definition of a poseur)
Riding together in an organized manner (poseur)
Thumbing their nose at the police (poseur)

BICYCLE AND ACCESSORIES
fenders (Fred)
bells (Fred)
winter junkers (Fred)
bullhorn (Fred)
carrying helmet on handlebars (Fred)
riding on urban streets (Fred)

Date: 29 Jun 2007 02:43:05
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Kristian M Zoerhoff" <kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:fOZgi.9273$c06.8291@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...

> Topeak RoadMorph frame mini-pump (Poseur)

If this was attached to the frame with zip-ties, you get double Fred points.

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

Date: 29 Jun 2007 02:51:49
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On 2007-06-29, Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> "Kristian M Zoerhoff" <kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fOZgi.9273$c06.8291@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
>
>> Topeak RoadMorph frame mini-pump (Poseur)
>
>
> If this was attached to the frame with zip-ties, you get double Fred points.

No, this uses the clip. The zip tie (just one) is for holding the Freddy
Fender bracket for the rear fender to the seat tube. Good enough for one
Fred credit?

--

__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)

Date: 28 Jun 2007 23:55:29
From: Darin McGrew
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride

Wearing:
100% cotton slacks
100% cotton Tshirt
brown leather hiking shoes
helmet with rear-view mirror and PlanetBike blinkie
crochet bike gloves
backpack with laptop
fanny pack with personal stuff

Riding:
old steel-frame hybrid (Trek 730, bought used)
no fenders (they're at home)
rear rack held together with hose clamps
two Cateye blinkies/reflectors
Cateye LED headlight
trunk bag with bike stuff (pump, patches, tools, poncho, lock,...)

Darin McGrew, mcgrew@stanfordalumni.org, http://www.rahul.net/mcgrew/
Web Design Group, darin@htmlhelp.com, http://www.HTMLHelp.com/

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Date: 28 Jun 2007 23:10:11
From: Dave Vandervies
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com > wrote:

>I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
>riding, on your last ride,

Clothes:
cargo pants with heavily loaded side pockets
buttons-down-the-front shirt
white sport socks
Shimano SPD sandals
backpack stuffed with laptop, notebooks, and textbooks
reflective velcro pant leg retainers

Bike:
15ish-year-old CCM[1] steel mountain bike frame (pre-dates shock absorbers)
Original equipment: front derailler
left pedal crank arm
seat and seat post
bar ends
straight handlebars
rapid-fire shifters
combo pedals (SPD on one side, flat on the other)
hockey tape on bar ends
semi-slick tires (inflated for road riding)
GPS mounted on handlebars
under-seat bag with LED taillight mounted on it (not turned on, and
handlebar-mountable LED headlight inside, since it was during the day)
cable lock (cost more than I paid for the bike (used bike $50, lock
$49.95+tax), but less than the parts I replaced before considering
it roadworthy)

dave

[1] Canadian Tire store brand. The name appears on some of the better
big-store bikes you can buy (not that that's all that impressive)
but also on some real junk.

--
Dave Vandervies dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
[...foods] which the Israelites might have had access to when they left Egypt.
They didn't even have time to bring their yeast cultures with them; How could
they have had time to sail to the New World and snag some maize? --EBoyd, SHWI

Date: 29 Jun 2007 02:42:00
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Dave Vandervies" <dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca > wrote in message
news:f61f4j$cah$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
>>riding, on your last ride,
>
> Clothes:
> cargo pants with heavily loaded side pockets
> buttons-down-the-front shirt
> white sport socks
> Shimano SPD sandals
> backpack stuffed with laptop, notebooks, and textbooks
> reflective velcro pant leg retainers
>
> Bike:
> 15ish-year-old CCM[1] steel mountain bike frame (pre-dates shock
> absorbers)
> Original equipment: front derailler
> left pedal crank arm
> seat and seat post
> bar ends
> straight handlebars
> rapid-fire shifters
> combo pedals (SPD on one side, flat on the other)
> hockey tape on bar ends
> semi-slick tires (inflated for road riding)
> GPS mounted on handlebars
> under-seat bag with LED taillight mounted on it (not turned on, and
> handlebar-mountable LED headlight inside, since it was during the day)
> cable lock (cost more than I paid for the bike (used bike $50, lock
> $49.95+tax), but less than the parts I replaced before considering
> it roadworthy)

This sounds like a list of Fredliness. What's your tire width and spoke
count?

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

Date: 30 Jun 2007 01:08:43
From: Dave Vandervies
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

In article <Yj_gi.1925$rR.1138@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
>
>"Dave Vandervies" <dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>news:f61f4j$cah$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
>>>riding, on your last ride,
>>
>> Clothes:
>> cargo pants with heavily loaded side pockets
>> buttons-down-the-front shirt
>> white sport socks
>> Shimano SPD sandals
>> backpack stuffed with laptop, notebooks, and textbooks
>> reflective velcro pant leg retainers
>>
>> Bike:
>> 15ish-year-old CCM[1] steel mountain bike frame (pre-dates shock
>> absorbers)
>> Original equipment: front derailler
>> left pedal crank arm
>> seat and seat post
>> bar ends
>> straight handlebars
>> rapid-fire shifters
>> combo pedals (SPD on one side, flat on the other)
>> hockey tape on bar ends
>> semi-slick tires (inflated for road riding)
>> GPS mounted on handlebars
>> under-seat bag with LED taillight mounted on it (not turned on, and
>> handlebar-mountable LED headlight inside, since it was during the day)
>> cable lock (cost more than I paid for the bike (used bike $50, lock
>> $49.95+tax), but less than the parts I replaced before considering
>> it roadworthy)
>
>
>This sounds like a list of Fredliness.

Actually, riding that around here makes me feel more like a poseur.
Most of my riding is within 5km of a university, and having a bike
that has oil on the chain puts me well above the median of the cyclist
population around here, never mind actually having any equipment on it
beyond the bare minimum.

(I'm not actually familiar with the meaning and connotations of "Fred",
either.)

I've had more than one conversation that goes something like this:
"What's that on the bottom of your shoes?"
"Those are the cleats that clip into my pedals."
[Or some other way for the subject of actually putting time/energy/money
into my bike to come up]
"Wow. You're, like, an insane hard-core bike person."
"Not really. I bet you've spent more time, money, and energy on your
car in the past six months than I have on my bike in the past year."
"..."

> What's your tire width

Uhh, "fat"?

> and spoke
>count?

I have no idea.

dave

--
Dave Vandervies dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
It's no wonder they call it academentia where you work, if you drink the
donuts and eat the coffee.
--Anthony de Boer in the scary devil monastery

Date: 30 Jun 2007 11:08:52
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:08:43 +0000 (UTC), Dave Vandervies wrote:

> Actually, riding that around here makes me feel more like a poseur.
> Most of my riding is within 5km of a university, and having a bike
> that has oil on the chain puts me well above the median of the cyclist
> population around here

Unless it's used oil from a fish'n'chip shop.

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Date: 28 Jun 2007 22:02:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Claire Petersky" <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message
news:Yj_gi.1925$rR.1138@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Dave Vandervies" <dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
> news:f61f4j$cah$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
>>>riding, on your last ride,
>>
>> Clothes:
>> cargo pants with heavily loaded side pockets
>> buttons-down-the-front shirt
>> white sport socks
>> Shimano SPD sandals
>> backpack stuffed with laptop, notebooks, and textbooks
>> reflective velcro pant leg retainers
>>
>> Bike:
>> 15ish-year-old CCM[1] steel mountain bike frame (pre-dates shock
>> absorbers)
>> Original equipment: front derailler
>> left pedal crank arm
>> seat and seat post
>> bar ends
>> straight handlebars
>> rapid-fire shifters
>> combo pedals (SPD on one side, flat on the other)
>> hockey tape on bar ends
>> semi-slick tires (inflated for road riding)
>> GPS mounted on handlebars
>> under-seat bag with LED taillight mounted on it (not turned on, and
>> handlebar-mountable LED headlight inside, since it was during the day)
>> cable lock (cost more than I paid for the bike (used bike $50, lock
>> $49.95+tax), but less than the parts I replaced before considering
>> it roadworthy)
>
>
> This sounds like a list of Fredliness. What's your tire width and spoke
> count?

Hey, Claire, what is the size of your brain? We need to know this so that we
can either condemn you or succor you.

Please post a picture of yourself on the Internet so that at least we can
see if your are worth fucking or not. I have never yet known anyone from
Seattle who was worth fucking, but it may be that you are the exception
since you are so do confoundedly stupid. Some men like vacuous females like
you.

The Great Ed Dolan and especially Saint Edward the Great do not like silly
females posting to all-male newsgroups. He regards them as whores. Show me a
newsgroup which is composed of women and find me a man who is posting to it.

Does not Claire have a husband? Why is she whoring on these all-male cycling
newsgroups?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jun 2007 07:06:22
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:wJOdnU0kKKj26xnbnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Claire Petersky" <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:Yj_gi.1925$rR.1138@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Dave Vandervies" <dj3vande@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in message
>> news:f61f4j$cah$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
>>> In article <1183067216.893622.291690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Claire <cpetersky@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
>>>>riding, on your last ride,
>>>
>>> Clothes:
>>> cargo pants with heavily loaded side pockets
>>> buttons-down-the-front shirt
>>> white sport socks
>>> Shimano SPD sandals
>>> backpack stuffed with laptop, notebooks, and textbooks
>>> reflective velcro pant leg retainers
>>>
>>> Bike:
>>> 15ish-year-old CCM[1] steel mountain bike frame (pre-dates shock
>>> absorbers)
>>> Original equipment: front derailler
>>> left pedal crank arm
>>> seat and seat post
>>> bar ends
>>> straight handlebars
>>> rapid-fire shifters
>>> combo pedals (SPD on one side, flat on the other)
>>> hockey tape on bar ends
>>> semi-slick tires (inflated for road riding)
>>> GPS mounted on handlebars
>>> under-seat bag with LED taillight mounted on it (not turned on, and
>>> handlebar-mountable LED headlight inside, since it was during the
>>> day)
>>> cable lock (cost more than I paid for the bike (used bike $50, lock
>>> $49.95+tax), but less than the parts I replaced before
>>> considering
>>> it roadworthy)
>>
>>
>> This sounds like a list of Fredliness. What's your tire width and
>> spoke count?
>
> Hey, Claire, what is the size of your brain? We need to know this so
> that we can either condemn you or succor you.
>
> Please post a picture of yourself on the Internet so that at least we
> can see if your are worth fucking or not. I have never yet known
> anyone from Seattle who was worth fucking, but it may be that you are
> the exception since you are so do confoundedly stupid. Some men like
> vacuous females like you.
>
> The Great Ed Dolan and especially Saint Edward the Great do not like
> silly females posting to all-male newsgroups. He regards them as
> whores. Show me a newsgroup which is composed of women and find me a
> man who is posting to it.
>
> Does not Claire have a husband? Why is she whoring on these all-male
> cycling newsgroups?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>

Plonk

Date: 29 Jun 2007 07:48:34
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:46:56 -0700, Claire wrote:

> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride

Well, I just rode home from work in light rain, so add "wet" to every
item in this list.

Bike: Giant OCR3, front derailleur removed, saddle starting to crack

Clothing: Microfibre trakkies, thermal t-shirt, windcheater, light
winter gloves, old sandshoes

But I had the poseur bike and gear out for the Mt Lofty ride last night.
Are you still a poseur if you ride up mountains? :-)

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Date: 29 Jun 2007 22:13:57
From: Andrew Price
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:48:34 +0930, Michael Warner
<mvw@westnet.com.au > wrote:

[---]

>But I had the poseur bike and gear out for the Mt Lofty ride last night.
>Are you still a poseur if you ride up mountains? :-)

No, but I'd hardly describe Mt Lofty as a "mountain" ...!

Date: 30 Jun 2007 11:07:31
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:13:57 +0200, Andrew Price wrote:

> No, but I'd hardly describe Mt Lofty as a "mountain" ...!

It is by Adelaide standards. Besides, it's more impressive when you
tell people where you rode :-)

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Date: 28 Jun 2007 22:07:46
From: Luigi de Guzman
Subject: Re: Judging cyclists by their appearance

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:46:56 -0700, Claire wrote:

> I'd like you to describe what you were wearing and what you were
> riding, on your last ride, and if you think it makes you a poser or a
> Fred.

Claire gets "Fred."

CLOTHING
Old, rotting helmet (Fred)
Torn, ragged, threadbare t-shirt. (Fred)
Khaki shorts (Fred)
White cotton socks (Fred)
Shoes: black Adidas Sambas (Fred)
Sunglasses (poseur)
-prescription (Fred)

BICYCLE
Drop bars (poseur x 20)
- steel (Fred)
Brifters as opposed to, say, bar-end shifters (poseur)
Shimano Sora components (fred)
- not Dura Ace (Fred)
- not Campy (Fred)
Rack (Fred)
Cheap blinky attached with rattling bracket (Fred)
Full fenders (Fred)
Bar bag (Fred)
Non-stock pedals (poseur)
-Toe clips & straps (Fred)
-nylon straps (Fred)
Heavy, utterly overbuilt lock (Fred)
Zefal HPx frame pump (poseur)

OTHER

Moving ~10mph (Fred. I know, liquorbike speed, right?)

FAT BASTARD PENALTY: +5 poseur for weighing >200 lbs. and riding drops.

-Luigi

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