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Date: 03 Mar 2007 01:10:57
From: len
Subject: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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Everything started one week before the 1 December. I woke up with an
intense pain in both knees. The pain seemed like a heavy pressure
localized bellow the kneecap. This pressure made it very difficult to
flex my knees or walk. In fact the pressure pain was present both when
still and when trying to move in any way. Even sleeping was difficult
as the pain continued. The best position was to keep my legs at an
angle of about 160-170 which I achieved using a small pillow under my
legs.
The first doctor I have seen said it was an inflammation of the soft
tissue due to the cold. After almost 2 weeks of pain and anti-
inflammatory treatment the pain was still there but I was able to move
more freely.
The next doctor decided to do more investigations and so I ended up
doing a MRI (http://www.len.ro/photos/knees/) for both legs. They said
I have some degeneration of the interior meniscus and a small
dislocation of kneecap which has become loose so I should operate in
order to tighten the kneecap and repare the meniscus.
In the mean time the winter holidays arrived and I found out that
keeping the knees warm can eliminate the pain almost completely so I
started wearing warm underpants, knee bandages and searching for knee
protection. Things where postponed for this year and the warmth
strategy was so ok that I even used my bicycle a few times for short
rides in the city.
The next doctor I have seen investigated me a bit and said that I have
absolutely nothing and probably my pain is meteo-dependent. This
doctor did not inspired me much confidence mainly because instead of
looking on the MRI images he first wanted to read the MRI diagnosis
and only then looked a bit on the images. In consequence I went to
another doctor yet again.
This final doctor played a bit with my knees in order to illustrate a
cyclist legs to his resident students, he then looked straight on the
MRI images and decided that I am in a very bad state, that my meniscus
is in degeneration, that my kneecap had lost it's degrees of mobility
(!remember the first doctor which said the exact opposite) and that
the cartilage on my femur was too thin. He said I should operate as
soon as possible to release the kneecap but said the cartilage problem
has no solution so I will probably never be able to ride a bicycle. He
said anyway it's stupid to ride a bicycle when you can have a car
(see: http://www.len.ro/cycling/cycling-in-romania/ for how the people
here think about cycling).
In conclusion, after analysis of the doctors diagnosis, and my
personal observations I am completely lost. First the diagnosis where
conflicting to say the least. Second they did not seemed to consider
the warmth effect I have noticed as the only remedy. There would be a
bit more to say on this subject since I live and work in a very bad
place, an office on the north-west, always wet and above an open cold
space. During the time I have been living and working here I have
noticed pains in knees, hand, feet and neck articulations and even
teeth. It seems to me that there is a good chance these might be
related but the doctors did not payed any interest in correlating
these facts. I even consulted a reumatism doctor and did a full set of
blood works with no results.
So, here I end up asking for some opinions from people which might
have had similar problems maybe it will give me some clearer idea on
what should I do.
Thank you,
Len
http://www.len.ro
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 15:34:54
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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About all this drug stuff. I have lived all my life in the city in a
flat, never had a garden. My girlfriend has lived all her youth in the
country side eating natural stuff. Even if she is 1 year older in
terms of health she is 10 years younger. I guess nothing compares to a
live in the air eating natural stuff.
Len
www.len.ro
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 20:40:10
From: Health Solutions
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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Hello,
I ran into your message quite accidentally while researching about
some details on 'Arthritis' and thought of sharing some of my
findings. I've read at 'http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/
encyclopedia/A/Arthritis.asp' that Arthritis involves inflammation of
one or more joints and the breakdown of cartilage. Cartilage normally
protects the joint, allowing for smooth movement. Cartilage also
absorbs shock when pressure is placed on the joint, like when you walk
or otherwise bear weight. Without the usual amount of cartilage, the
bones rub together, causing pain, swelling, and stiffness.
You may have joint inflammation for a variety of reasons, including
Broken bone, Infection (usually caused by bacteria or viruses), An
autoimmune disease (the body attacks itself because the immune system
believes a body part is foreign), General "wear and tear" on
joints Rheumatoid arthritis (in adults), Juvenile rheumatoid arthritis
(in children) etc.
Treatment of arthritis depends on the particular cause, which joints
are affected, severity, and how the condition affects your daily
activities. Your age and occupation will also be taken into
consideration when your doctor works with you to create a treatment
plan.
I hope the above is of some help to you as well.
Regards,
Monica
On 9, 7:10 am, Bill Baka <b...@comcast.net > wrote:
> nash wrote:
> > "Bill Baka" <b...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:BEWHh.303$Qw.259@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> >> len wrote:
> >>> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
> >>>>> Xchequer wrote:
> >>>>>> <quoted text>
> >>>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
> >>>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
> >>>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
> >>>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
> >>>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
> >>>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
> >>>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
> >>>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
> >>>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>
> >>>> Xchequer
> >>> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
>
> >>> Len
>
> >> Actually, it is pretty hard to get too much calcium. From 30 on up most
> >> people don't get enough, especially women who have kids. That's why I have
> >> the Tums habit and really, really solid bones. My mother hadArthritis
> >> from about 40 on up and her diet had very little Calcium.
> >> Genetics is a big part too. My grandmother had it so bad she took a whole
> >> bottle of sleeping pills in 1950 and ended the pain for good at 68.
> >> Fortunately my sister, now almost 72 has no sign or it and I have nothing
> >> at 58, but we are both very active, something my mother and grandmother
> >> were not. Back then it just wasn't cool for women to do aerobics and
> >> sweat, but to 'age gracefully'.
> >> Gracefully doesn't work.
> >> Treat every day as if you are fighting for your life, because you are.
> >> Bill Baka
>
> > Sorry to hear about your Grandmother Bill. And you are absolutely right
> > about the social norm. I am 51 and thankfully there was a program called
> > Participaction in BC in grade school. I have been active ever since.
> > Being athletic though as a female you still can get alot of negative self
> > image from people. Just jealous I guess. haha
>
> My mother was totally bedridden in a rest home by 69 and she just
> stopped eating until the natural course of events happened. It was
> painful just to visit her because her hands were gnarled to uselessness
> and her spine had fused in about 5 places. In some cases death is really
> the only way to stop the suffering. My sister is now 71 and has noarthritisand stays very active, so I think she has beaten the curse ofarthritis. Me, 58 and I still feel mostly like I'm in my 20's, and act
> it sometimes.
> What you said about self image, I don't take seriously. I was out riding
> a few days back and 3 kids yelled "Ride, old man, ride.". I just asked
> them if they wanted to race since they thought they were the hot shots.
> Within a block they were fading into the background and I heard a "What
> the f**k?" from one of them.
> If it's too nasty for a real bike ride then I go out and sprint until my
> legs feel like butter, then I turn around and walk back. I'm up to about
> 2.5 football fields at this point. I have younger friends with gray
> hair, thinning hair, overweight and can't run anymore, and two have died
> in their early 50's. Not for me, 90-110 is more like my goal.
> Funny them kids calling me "Old man." though since I don't have gray
> hair and I'm anything but bald. I think they knew I was somebodies
> grandfather.
> To my sister's credit, she was ried but didn't have kids, so no bone
> problems, and she walks at least 2 or 3 miles every day, even in Phoenix
> when it gets to be 115 or so. She was a RVN/LVN nurse so knows all the
> little things to do at her age.
> Bill Baka
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 14:12:11
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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Today I have seen the 5-th doctor. He was recommended for it's MRI
reading experience and various specializations on this topic. She said
that there are in fact some deterioration signs but there are also
some inflammation. A very wise thing she said is that the MRI is good
for showing some major problems. For unclear on small modifications it
is much better to wait some time and then do a second MRI for
comparison. This way the degeneration can be separated from
particularities of each person.
In conclusion I will try to do some exercises and take anti-
inflammatory while waiting for the sun, heat and second MRI. In the
mean time I also want to start cycling small steps each time. Driving
to the city and using the clutch all the time it's causing lot of pain
also so small cycling rides will not hurt. If there is pain I will
stop. Cannot wait forever in this state. Cycling gives me a degree of
freedom vital for my balance.
Len
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 16:03:14
From: Daryl Hunt
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"len" <ilen.corciovei@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1173391931.022967.129640@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> Today I have seen the 5-th doctor. He was recommended for it's MRI
> reading experience and various specializations on this topic. She said
> that there are in fact some deterioration signs but there are also
> some inflammation. A very wise thing she said is that the MRI is good
> for showing some major problems. For unclear on small modifications it
> is much better to wait some time and then do a second MRI for
> comparison. This way the degeneration can be separated from
> particularities of each person.
> In conclusion I will try to do some exercises and take anti-
> inflammatory while waiting for the sun, heat and second MRI. In the
> mean time I also want to start cycling small steps each time. Driving
> to the city and using the clutch all the time it's causing lot of pain
> also so small cycling rides will not hurt. If there is pain I will
> stop. Cannot wait forever in this state. Cycling gives me a degree of
> freedom vital for my balance.
>
> Len
I have a similiar story. But pedaling for miles is out of the question.
Instead, I use a low speed electric bicycle that does require a bit of
pedaling from a dead standstill or up a hill. Sometimes, I just pedal to
pedal. But I have that option where a regular bicycle might do damage to my
left knee over a long period of time.
>
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 02:45:38
From: nash
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"len" <ilen.corciovei@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1173391931.022967.129640@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com...
> Today I have seen the 5-th doctor. He was recommended for it's MRI
> reading experience and various specializations on this topic. She said
> that there are in fact some deterioration signs but there are also
> some inflammation. A very wise thing she said is that the MRI is good
> for showing some major problems. For unclear on small modifications it
> is much better to wait some time and then do a second MRI for
> comparison. This way the degeneration can be separated from
> particularities of each person.
> In conclusion I will try to do some exercises and take anti-
> inflammatory while waiting for the sun, heat and second MRI. In the
> mean time I also want to start cycling small steps each time. Driving
> to the city and using the clutch all the time it's causing lot of pain
> also so small cycling rides will not hurt. If there is pain I will
> stop. Cannot wait forever in this state. Cycling gives me a degree of
> freedom vital for my balance.
>
> Len
Ya know the first most important thing is rest which you are not doing.
Give it a chance. What is the hurry. Elevate, ice and heat alternating in
buckets or gel packs. Getting served hand and foot. What a life dude. for
real it works.
no MRI specialist can do better.
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 02:12:38
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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len wrote:
> Today I have seen the 5-th doctor. He was recommended for it's MRI
> reading experience and various specializations on this topic. She said
> that there are in fact some deterioration signs but there are also
> some inflammation. A very wise thing she said is that the MRI is good
> for showing some major problems. For unclear on small modifications it
> is much better to wait some time and then do a second MRI for
> comparison. This way the degeneration can be separated from
> particularities of each person.
> In conclusion I will try to do some exercises and take anti-
> inflammatory while waiting for the sun, heat and second MRI. In the
> mean time I also want to start cycling small steps each time. Driving
> to the city and using the clutch all the time it's causing lot of pain
> also so small cycling rides will not hurt. If there is pain I will
> stop. Cannot wait forever in this state. Cycling gives me a degree of
> freedom vital for my balance.
>
> Len
>
An MRI is really a lot better than a CAT scan since they use different
methods and can show different problems. I just heard that you better
not have any metal pins in your leg or the MRI can really get bent out
of shape.
Bill Baka
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 13:53:13
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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> Do not expect miracles when you have not worked for it in the first place.
> It is a lifetime goal. Not a flash in the pan.
The miracle is to remember each moment that your job and work problems
are much less important than your long term health. It's also a mind
exercise (http://www.len.ro/mind/education) easier in theory than in
practice.
Len
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Date: 07 Mar 2007 23:19:32
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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> >> Perfect positioning of your saddle is also an important factor in
> >> reducing stress on your knees when cycling.
I agree that positioning is a very important factor. I also think that
during the cycling I must give a lot of attention to my body. If you
are cycling with other people this is very hard to achieve. If you are
cycling alone it's not easy either but if you make an effort it's
possible. I tried to apply this to all my long rides
(http://www.len.ro/cycling/to-the-black-sea/) pushing has some effects
on short rides but for long ones it's only the mind and observing your
body and not pushing it too hard.
Len
www.len.ro
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Date: 07 Mar 2007 23:14:01
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net > wrote:
> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
> > Xchequer wrote:
> >> <quoted text>
>
> >> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
> >> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
> >> had Osteoarthritis.
>
> > Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
> > Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
> > but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>
> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>
> Xchequer
So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
Len
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 17:41:28
From: nash
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"len" <ilen.corciovei@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1173338041.185474.10860@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>> > Xchequer wrote:
>> >> <quoted text>
>>
>> >> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>> >> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>> >> had Osteoarthritis.
>>
>> > Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>> > Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>> > but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>
>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>
>> Xchequer
>
> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
>
> Len
Tumeric works on osteoarthritis.
One glass of milk/day is childs play I eat cheese, yogurt, milk for my
teeth and preventing osteoporosis.
Read the research on Tum's before you eat any more.
You need Vitamin D or sunshine for it to work. BC lacks the latter.
And acid in the gut to absorb it.
"Poppin like candy" does nothin for ya
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 01:50:13
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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nash wrote:
> "len" <ilen.corciovei@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1173338041.185474.10860@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
>>
>> Len
>
> Tumeric works on osteoarthritis.
> One glass of milk/day is childs play I eat cheese, yogurt, milk for my
> teeth and preventing osteoporosis.
> Read the research on Tum's before you eat any more.
What? They can be bad for you at about 5 a day?
> You need Vitamin D or sunshine for it to work.
Sunshine I get plenty of in the summer since riding topless is my thing.
BC lacks the latter.
> And acid in the gut to absorb it.
> "Poppin like candy" does nothin for ya
>
>
It's only CaCO3.
Bill Baka
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 16:15:29
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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len wrote:
> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>> <quoted text>
>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>
>> Xchequer
>
> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
>
> Len
>
Actually, it is pretty hard to get too much calcium. From 30 on up most
people don't get enough, especially women who have kids. That's why I
have the Tums habit and really, really solid bones. My mother had
Arthritis from about 40 on up and her diet had very little Calcium.
Genetics is a big part too. My grandmother had it so bad she took a
whole bottle of sleeping pills in 1950 and ended the pain for good at
68. Fortunately my sister, now almost 72 has no sign or it and I have
nothing at 58, but we are both very active, something my mother and
grandmother were not. Back then it just wasn't cool for women to do
aerobics and sweat, but to 'age gracefully'.
Gracefully doesn't work.
Treat every day as if you are fighting for your life, because you are.
Bill Baka
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 17:53:34
From: nash
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:BEWHh.303$Qw.259@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> len wrote:
>> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>>> <quoted text>
>>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
>>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
>>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>>
>>> Xchequer
>>
>> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
>>
>> Len
>>
> Actually, it is pretty hard to get too much calcium. From 30 on up most
> people don't get enough, especially women who have kids. That's why I have
> the Tums habit and really, really solid bones. My mother had Arthritis
> from about 40 on up and her diet had very little Calcium.
> Genetics is a big part too. My grandmother had it so bad she took a whole
> bottle of sleeping pills in 1950 and ended the pain for good at 68.
> Fortunately my sister, now almost 72 has no sign or it and I have nothing
> at 58, but we are both very active, something my mother and grandmother
> were not. Back then it just wasn't cool for women to do aerobics and
> sweat, but to 'age gracefully'.
> Gracefully doesn't work.
> Treat every day as if you are fighting for your life, because you are.
> Bill Baka
Sorry to hear about your Grandmother Bill. And you are absolutely right
about the social norm. I am 51 and thankfully there was a program called
Participaction in BC in grade school. I have been active ever since.
Being athletic though as a female you still can get alot of negative self
image from people. Just jealous I guess. haha
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 02:10:14
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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nash wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:BEWHh.303$Qw.259@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> len wrote:
>>> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>>>> <quoted text>
>>>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>>>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>>>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>>>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>>>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
>>>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
>>>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Xchequer
>>> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
>>>
>>> Len
>>>
>> Actually, it is pretty hard to get too much calcium. From 30 on up most
>> people don't get enough, especially women who have kids. That's why I have
>> the Tums habit and really, really solid bones. My mother had Arthritis
>> from about 40 on up and her diet had very little Calcium.
>> Genetics is a big part too. My grandmother had it so bad she took a whole
>> bottle of sleeping pills in 1950 and ended the pain for good at 68.
>> Fortunately my sister, now almost 72 has no sign or it and I have nothing
>> at 58, but we are both very active, something my mother and grandmother
>> were not. Back then it just wasn't cool for women to do aerobics and
>> sweat, but to 'age gracefully'.
>> Gracefully doesn't work.
>> Treat every day as if you are fighting for your life, because you are.
>> Bill Baka
>
> Sorry to hear about your Grandmother Bill. And you are absolutely right
> about the social norm. I am 51 and thankfully there was a program called
> Participaction in BC in grade school. I have been active ever since.
> Being athletic though as a female you still can get alot of negative self
> image from people. Just jealous I guess. haha
>
>
My mother was totally bedridden in a rest home by 69 and she just
stopped eating until the natural course of events happened. It was
painful just to visit her because her hands were gnarled to uselessness
and her spine had fused in about 5 places. In some cases death is really
the only way to stop the suffering. My sister is now 71 and has no
arthritis and stays very active, so I think she has beaten the curse of
arthritis. Me, 58 and I still feel mostly like I'm in my 20's, and act
it sometimes.
What you said about self image, I don't take seriously. I was out riding
a few days back and 3 kids yelled "Ride, old man, ride.". I just asked
them if they wanted to race since they thought they were the hot shots.
Within a block they were fading into the background and I heard a "What
the f**k?" from one of them.
If it's too nasty for a real bike ride then I go out and sprint until my
legs feel like butter, then I turn around and walk back. I'm up to about
2.5 football fields at this point. I have younger friends with gray
hair, thinning hair, overweight and can't run anymore, and two have died
in their early 50's. Not for me, 90-110 is more like my goal.
Funny them kids calling me "Old man." though since I don't have gray
hair and I'm anything but bald. I think they knew I was somebodies
grandfather.
To my sister's credit, she was ried but didn't have kids, so no bone
problems, and she walks at least 2 or 3 miles every day, even in Phoenix
when it gets to be 115 or so. She was a RVN/LVN nurse so knows all the
little things to do at her age.
Bill Baka
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 08:00:52
From: dgk
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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On Fri, 09 2007 02:10:14 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
>nash wrote:
>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:BEWHh.303$Qw.259@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>> len wrote:
>>>> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>>>>> <quoted text>
>>>>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>>>>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>>>>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>>>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>>>>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>>>>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>>>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
>>>>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
>>>>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Xchequer
>>>> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
>>>>
>>>> Len
>...
I haven't been following this thread but I'd like to point out that I
have an orthopedist who makes all of his patients with joint issues
take Calcium Citrate, not Carbonate. I've been doing it for over a
year now and I definitely have less of a knee issue than I've had in
the past.
It's impossible to prove that it has any effect at all, but I just
thought that I'd mention it.
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 00:46:46
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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dgk wrote:
> On Fri, 09 2007 02:10:14 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> nash wrote:
>>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:BEWHh.303$Qw.259@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> len wrote:
>>>>> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>>>>>> <quoted text>
>>>>>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>>>>>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>>>>>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>>>>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>>>>>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>>>>>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>>>>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
>>>>>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
>>>>>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Xchequer
>>>>> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
>>>>>
>>>>> Len
>> ...
>
> I haven't been following this thread but I'd like to point out that I
> have an orthopedist who makes all of his patients with joint issues
> take Calcium Citrate, not Carbonate. I've been doing it for over a
> year now and I definitely have less of a knee issue than I've had in
> the past.
>
> It's impossible to prove that it has any effect at all, but I just
> thought that I'd mention it.
I think that is what Paul Harvey advertises as 'Citrical', just a way of
getting the Vitamin C along with the Calcium.
Bill Baka
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 02:35:22
From: nash
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:Wp1Jh.2661$JZ3.2010@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
> dgk wrote:
>> On Fri, 09 2007 02:10:14 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> nash wrote:
>>>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:BEWHh.303$Qw.259@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>> len wrote:
>>>>>> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>>>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>>>>>>> <quoted text>
>>>>>>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>>>>>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium?
>>>>>>>> Try
>>>>>>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach
>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>>>>>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a
>>>>>>> glass
>>>>>>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
>>>>>>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xchequer
>>>>>> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much
>>>>>> calcium?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Len
>>> ...
>>
>> I haven't been following this thread but I'd like to point out that I
>> have an orthopedist who makes all of his patients with joint issues
>> take Calcium Citrate, not Carbonate. I've been doing it for over a
>> year now and I definitely have less of a knee issue than I've had in
>> the past.
>>
>> It's impossible to prove that it has any effect at all, but I just
>> thought that I'd mention it.
>
> I think that is what Paul Harvey advertises as 'Citrical', just a way of
> getting the Vitamin C along with the Calcium.
> Bill Baka
The reason is you need the acid(ascorbic acid in Vit.C pills) to absorb the
Ca in the stomach like I said. That is why some doctors will tell you not
to eat tums because they do the reverse and you cannot get the calcium from
the tums anyway. Whether it is true or not it sure is a good gimmick,
Doctors cannot even decide. That is what all the fuss is about calcium in
everything you buy these days from being added to milk to stomach acid tabs.
But they cannot even decide so drug companies and researchers decide for
you. How are you suppose to know when you have enough stomach acid? I
donot know but probably some gets through.
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 01:09:50
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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nash wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:Wp1Jh.2661$JZ3.2010@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>> dgk wrote:
>>> On Fri, 09 2007 02:10:14 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> nash wrote:
>>>>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:BEWHh.303$Qw.259@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>> len wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8, 6:20 am, Xchequer <x...@x.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> <quoted text>
>>>>>>>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain.
>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>>>>>>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium?
>>>>>>>>> Try
>>>>>>>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach
>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>>>>>>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a
>>>>>>>> glass
>>>>>>>> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
>>>>>>>> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xchequer
>>>>>>> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much
>>>>>>> calcium?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Len
>>>> ...
>>> I haven't been following this thread but I'd like to point out that I
>>> have an orthopedist who makes all of his patients with joint issues
>>> take Calcium Citrate, not Carbonate. I've been doing it for over a
>>> year now and I definitely have less of a knee issue than I've had in
>>> the past.
>>>
>>> It's impossible to prove that it has any effect at all, but I just
>>> thought that I'd mention it.
>> I think that is what Paul Harvey advertises as 'Citrical', just a way of
>> getting the Vitamin C along with the Calcium.
>> Bill Baka
>
> The reason is you need the acid(ascorbic acid in Vit.C pills) to absorb the
> Ca in the stomach like I said. That is why some doctors will tell you not
> to eat tums because they do the reverse and you cannot get the calcium from
> the tums anyway. Whether it is true or not it sure is a good gimmick,
> Doctors cannot even decide. That is what all the fuss is about calcium in
> everything you buy these days from being added to milk to stomach acid tabs.
> But they cannot even decide so drug companies and researchers decide for
> you. How are you suppose to know when you have enough stomach acid? I
> donot know but probably some gets through.
>
>
How I got into eating Tums was because a younger (54) friend of mine has
stomach problems and has them all over his house. When I go to visit and
usually work on his computer I munch about 5 a day. They are free, so
why not? I don't have any health problems and I figure I should get
enough Calcium out of them. There is an Orange tree in my back yard so
vitamin C is not a problem for me.
And to answer the big question, NO, I don't know if Citrate absorbs better.
Bill Baka
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 02:52:38
From: nash
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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She was a RVN/LVN nurse so knows all the
little things to do at her age.
Bill Baka
++++++++++++++
And she knows what happens if you don't.
Unfortunately starving happens alot in retirement homes like a last protest
before death. suppose to be a painful way to go as your body eats itself.
Happened to me in my 30's. My sister is a nurse's aide for a retirement
home.
Just shows you you cannot blame your parents for everything eh
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 03:53:15
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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nash wrote:
> She was a RVN/LVN nurse so knows all the
> little things to do at her age.
> Bill Baka
> ++++++++++++++
> And she knows what happens if you don't.
>
> Unfortunately starving happens alot in retirement homes like a last protest
> before death. suppose to be a painful way to go as your body eats itself.
> Happened to me in my 30's. My sister is a nurse's aide for a retirement
> home.
> Just shows you you cannot blame your parents for everything eh
>
>
>
My sister was doing in home care until she hurt her back at 67 trying to
move the inevitable 300 pound patient. She should have called for
backup. My mother just said it wasn't living if all she had to do was
wake up and ask for more pain medication and stay in bed all day. Sis
and I didn't argue her decision. She was on so many pain meds anyway I
doubt she noticed any discomfort near what the arthritis gave her.
Bill Baka
Kervorkian actually did perform a service.
The state mandating that you live beyond your own desire seems kind of
fascist in a way. Is that to prop up the federal funding?
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 15:53:16
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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On 2007-03-08, len <ilen.corciovei@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> So you are saying the milk can have something to do? Too much calcium?
Overdoing calcium /might/ cause crystals to form in joints, which can be
*extremely* painful. These deposits can be seen on an X-ray, however,
so if you had them, your doctor should have spotted it. My father-in-law
has them in his hips (including the hip he just had replaced last
summer), and takes non-steroidal anti-inflammatories (NSAIDS) for the
pain.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcific_Tendonitis >
--
__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 04:20:48
From: Xchequer
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
> Xchequer wrote:
>> <quoted text>
>>
>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>> had Osteoarthritis.
>
> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
Xchequer
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 16:08:10
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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Xchequer wrote:
> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>
>> Xchequer wrote:
>>> <quoted text>
>>>
>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>
> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass
> of milk every other day. After my knees went south and I did some
> research I realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>
> Xchequer
Unless you had a Calcium deficiency growing up, you can write off
Osteoporosis. Arthritis at your age is really very rare, and hopefully
you can change your life style enough to keep it at bay. Running may
have done it since I have worked with so many runners, and even in their
20's and 30's they were having complaining contests about their legs or
knees. Running is good but jogging is waaay bad. Bicycling is better if
you haven't damaged your knees too badly from running.
When you think there is a benefit to running just think of Jim Fixx.
He wrote the runner's Bible and proceeded to drop dead at 53 while running.
Good luck with all.
Bill Baka
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 17:46:57
From: nash
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:KxWHh.301$Qw.128@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
> Xchequer wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>> <quoted text>
>>>>
>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>
>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass of milk
>> every other day. After my knees went south and I did some research I
>> realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>
>> Xchequer
>
> Unless you had a Calcium deficiency growing up, you can write off
> Osteoporosis. Arthritis at your age is really very rare, and hopefully you
> can change your life style enough to keep it at bay. Running may have done
> it since I have worked with so many runners, and even in their 20's and
> 30's they were having complaining contests about their legs or knees.
> Running is good but jogging is waaay bad. Bicycling is better if you
> haven't damaged your knees too badly from running.
> When you think there is a benefit to running just think of Jim Fixx.
> He wrote the runner's Bible and proceeded to drop dead at 53 while
> running.
> Good luck with all.
> Bill Baka
If Jim Fixx started after a heart attack then it was just too late in life.
Having good elementary school PE programs and non stop active lifestyle is
what
people should have gotten along with the right attitude about health.
Do not expect miracles when you have not worked for it in the first place.
It is a lifetime goal. Not a flash in the pan.
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Date: 09 Mar 2007 01:54:06
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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nash wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:KxWHh.301$Qw.128@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
>> Xchequer wrote:
>>> On Wed, 07 2007 06:37:23 +0000, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>
>>>> Xchequer wrote:
>>>>> <quoted text>
>>>>>
>>>>> I had an issue when I was running where my knees had similar pain. It
>>>>> was so bad that I couldn't bike ride for two years. My doctor said I
>>>>> had Osteoarthritis.
>>>> Huh? How old? Do you drink milk or eat canned sardines for calcium? Try
>>>> Tums antacid tablets. Calcium Carbonate. I don't have stomach problems
>>>> but the Tums have become like candy to me and great for the bones.
>>> I'm 33 now. When it all started I was 28. I drink about a glass of milk
>>> every other day. After my knees went south and I did some research I
>>> realized I was doing quite a bit wrong.
>>>
>>> Xchequer
>> Unless you had a Calcium deficiency growing up, you can write off
>> Osteoporosis. Arthritis at your age is really very rare, and hopefully you
>> can change your life style enough to keep it at bay. Running may have done
>> it since I have worked with so many runners, and even in their 20's and
>> 30's they were having complaining contests about their legs or knees.
>> Running is good but jogging is waaay bad. Bicycling is better if you
>> haven't damaged your knees too badly from running.
>> When you think there is a benefit to running just think of Jim Fixx.
>> He wrote the runner's Bible and proceeded to drop dead at 53 while
>> running.
>> Good luck with all.
>> Bill Baka
>
> If Jim Fixx started after a heart attack then it was just too late in life.
> Having good elementary school PE programs and non stop active lifestyle is
> what
> people should have gotten along with the right attitude about health.
> Do not expect miracles when you have not worked for it in the first place.
> It is a lifetime goal. Not a flash in the pan.
>
Yeah, I remember something like that. He thought running could reverse
heart damage and just proved it couldn't. I have been pro-active in
exercise and hyper all my life, even back in the 70's when I was a
stoner. A hyperactive stoner, I drove my friends nuts because they would
get wiped out and I would want to get a baseball game together.
I got the munchies like everybody else but burned the calories off.
Better than drinking beer and smoking tobacco.
Bill Baka
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 11:45:54
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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On 5, 4:28 pm, "Bruce Gilbert" <bhgilb...@hal-pc.org > wrote:
> > Older guy advice coming.
> > At 58 I like to both bike, hike, and flat out run. About 3 days ago I
> > took a spontaneous run (no jogging on heels) until I was about ready to
> > collapse and set a 2.5 football field record. The next morning my left
> > knee (good one) hurt really bad and my right knee (bad one, broken leg)
> > felt just fine. After I was up and about the pain went away, probably
> > because I bicycled that day. That was the first time I have EVER had
> > pain in that knee, and I hope it isn't a precursor of (Oh My God, I'm
> > getting old). I cracked my thumb in an altercation with a pickup truck
> > about 2 months ago and now that is like it never happened. Time heals.
> > At 30 years younger than me I really doubt that you have any kind of
> > degenerative disease unless you have a really seriously bad family
> > history. If it does come back on a regular basis then by all means, go
> > see a doctor. One time things come and go with all of us, but the ones
> > that repeat are probably trying to tell you something. 28 is waaaay too
> > young to be having problems. At that age I used to run an hour or two on
> > Sunday mornings waiting for my beer league baseball friends to show up,
> > and then we played baseball until either it got too dark or we had one
> > keg too many.
> > The good old days.
> > Bill Baka
>
> I am 56. I started bike racing in 1965 (at 15). Over the past number of
> years, I have acquired about 30+ fractures. Most of them due to 25 years of
> Karate on top of the bike racing and a nasty plane crash in 1976. I know
> from hurt. Please do not mistake me for a medical professional, by any
> stretch of the imagination.
>
> Recently, I came upon something that gave me tremendous irritation relief.
> There is a spice used in Indian and Chinese cooking called Tumeric (or
> Turmeric). It has an ingredient in it called curricumin. One of the local
> health food stores has the Tumeric powder packaged in capsules. I take two a
> day. Within two weeks, I saw a serious reduction in discomfort. According to
> what I was able to find out, there is very little chance of any reaction
> with other medications. Apparently, this stuff is widely used in the UK. My
> distributor over there said everyone has been using it for years with great
> success against arthritis and general irritation problems.
>
> Do a Google search on this stuff and look for the official info from the
> British government. It is quite interesting.
>
> Bruce
Tumeric = Curcuma so I should start by doing more cooking:
http://www.len.ro/cooking/indian/copy_of_curry-chicken-indian-style-with-couscous
Len
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 13:48:36
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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len wrote:
> On 5, 4:28 pm, "Bruce Gilbert" <bhgilb...@hal-pc.org> wrote:
>>> Older guy advice coming.
>>> At 58 I like to both bike, hike, and flat out run. About 3 days ago I
>>> took a spontaneous run (no jogging on heels) until I was about ready to
>>> collapse and set a 2.5 football field record. The next morning my left
>>> knee (good one) hurt really bad and my right knee (bad one, broken leg)
>>> felt just fine. After I was up and about the pain went away, probably
>>> because I bicycled that day. That was the first time I have EVER had
>>> pain in that knee, and I hope it isn't a precursor of (Oh My God, I'm
>>> getting old). I cracked my thumb in an altercation with a pickup truck
>>> about 2 months ago and now that is like it never happened. Time heals.
>>> At 30 years younger than me I really doubt that you have any kind of
>>> degenerative disease unless you have a really seriously bad family
>>> history. If it does come back on a regular basis then by all means, go
>>> see a doctor. One time things come and go with all of us, but the ones
>>> that repeat are probably trying to tell you something. 28 is waaaay too
>>> young to be having problems. At that age I used to run an hour or two on
>>> Sunday mornings waiting for my beer league baseball friends to show up,
>>> and then we played baseball until either it got too dark or we had one
>>> keg too many.
>>> The good old days.
>>> Bill Baka
>> I am 56. I started bike racing in 1965 (at 15). Over the past number of
>> years, I have acquired about 30+ fractures. Most of them due to 25 years of
>> Karate on top of the bike racing and a nasty plane crash in 1976. I know
>> from hurt. Please do not mistake me for a medical professional, by any
>> stretch of the imagination.
>>
>> Recently, I came upon something that gave me tremendous irritation relief.
>> There is a spice used in Indian and Chinese cooking called Tumeric (or
>> Turmeric). It has an ingredient in it called curricumin. One of the local
>> health food stores has the Tumeric powder packaged in capsules. I take two a
>> day. Within two weeks, I saw a serious reduction in discomfort. According to
>> what I was able to find out, there is very little chance of any reaction
>> with other medications. Apparently, this stuff is widely used in the UK. My
>> distributor over there said everyone has been using it for years with great
>> success against arthritis and general irritation problems.
>>
>> Do a Google search on this stuff and look for the official info from the
>> British government. It is quite interesting.
>>
>> Bruce
>
> Tumeric = Curcuma so I should start by doing more cooking:
> http://www.len.ro/cooking/indian/copy_of_curry-chicken-indian-style-with-couscous
>
> Len
>
It sounds worth a try, at least a few tries to see if it helps. Thing
is, except for that strangely arthritic feeling knee one day I don't
have any pains anywhere. I expect them to start cropping up someday,
since even though I generally feel like I'm 20 something, I know damn
well I AM 58, and something should start acting up, according to statistics.
So far, so good, no complaints.
Bill Baka
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 01:50:06
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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On 5, 1:41 am, Luke <lucasirag...@rogers.com > wrote:
> In article <1173029923.833156.226...@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, len
>
>
>
> <ilen.corcio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 4, 5:59 pm, "Will" <waller.will...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 4, 4:56 am, "len" <ilen.corcio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 4, 5:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Daryl Hunt" wrote: Seek a competent Doctor.
>
> > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > Daryl, Len has been to FOUR doctors. He is looking for advice on whom
> > > > > to
> > > > > believe. How do you propose that he narrow the search? I'm sure that
> > > > > each
> > > > > one of these charges plenty for his service, and I'm sure Len is
> > > > > willing to
> > > > > pay for effective treatment, but how does a layman cope with soaring
> > > > > costs
> > > > > and no results?
>
> > > > In my day to day life I am a computer science engineer. If I work on
> > > > product which then has some problems I am put to the wall but it seems
> > > > to me that the doctors can give some contradictory opinions and
> > > > solutions, some of which are certainly wrong and everything is ok.
> > > > Searching for various opinions on my knees problems I have found
> > > > horrific stories of what doctors did to patients.
>
> > > Perhaps you might share a bit of sports history... did you run cross
> > > country, play ball, etc.? 28 years is young for degenerative
> > > anything...
>
> > I did a lot of sports during high school, cycling, basket, mountain
> > randonee but nothing extreme or professional. Then I stopped (around
> > 19), got a job and started working a lot, 12-16h on a chair in front
> > of a computer. I gained a lot of weight. It lasted for 3-4 years and
> > then I realised the wrong doing and started doing some sport again
> > mainly cycling. I have a road bike since 2 years and I did no more
> > than 5000 km per year with the roadbike (biggest trip was this:
> >http://www.len.ro/cycling/to-the-black-sea/usually in the weekends
> > and much less last year than the year before. I also have another bike
> > for trips around the city. I started loosing weight but still work a
> > lot since I have my own company which I try to maintain. I am living
> > and working in a very cold place on the north-west and have
> > experiences problems with other articulations: hands, ankle, head
> > which have faded away after some time. The knee problem is the worst
> > yet.
>
> > Len
>
> Another unqualified opinion following....
>
> I'd interpret the sudden onset of your affliction as a fact militating
> against a chronic degenerative condition. Your youth as well. As to
> what exactly is the cause of the pain -- I don't know.
>
> But it is strongly recommended that you relegate surgery to the option
> of last resort and then only if there is some measure of consensus
> among doctors. Don't go under the knife unless absolutely necessary.
>
> Step one, which you've wisely already undertaken, is to take stock of
> your lifestyle and recognize that it was imperilling your health. My
> experience is that aches and pains come and go, often with no plausible
> cause, and that seemingly unrelated areas such as diet -- a regimen
> heavy in animal based foods can significantly exacerbate arthritis for
> instance -- can be aggravating factors.
>
> Given your sedentary lifestyle perhaps the pain may just indicate that
> you're trying to do too much too fast -- periods of relative inactivity
> punctuated by stretches of intense or prolonged exertion is a sure way
> to encourage injury as many an office worker who suffered a heart
> attack while shovelling snow will attest. Perhaps a particularly
> strenuous outing strained your knees which, by your note of numerous
> joint difficulties, may have also been suffering from a general joint
> ailment originating ????.
>
> And sometimes, if a demanding schedule and fatigue abates, the problem
> just resolves itself. Len, maybe replacing the booleans and functions
> before your nose with some roses and doing a whole lotta nothing for
> while is just what the doctor should order.
>
> Luke
Luke, I completely agree with you, work is bad if no space is taken. I
guess the everyday life is much more complicated than it is supposed
to be and this strains the body (http://www.len.ro/mind/universe/work-
addiction-hunger/).
Len
www.len.ro
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 01:47:37
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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On 4, 8:33 pm, Andrew Price <ajpr...@free.fr > wrote:
> On 3 2007 01:10:57 -0800, "len" <ilen.corcio...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> [---]
>
> >In conclusion, after analysis of the doctors diagnosis, and my
> >personal observations I am completely lost. First the diagnosis where
> >conflicting to say the least. Second they did not seemed to consider
> >the warmth effect I have noticed as the only remedy.
>
> That suggests that they do not *know* what the problem is. In France
> and Germany, there is a field of specialisation for medical
> practitioners called "sports medicine", and if that exists in
> Roumania, I would go and see one.
>
> They are specialised in the type of injuries and problems which
> typically only (or at least, much more frequently) happen to
> sportsmen, and they will therefore spot things like incipient knee
> problems much sooner than will, say, a general practitioner or a
> specialist in another field, because they just do not have the
> experience to make a proper diagnosis.
>
> It's similar to tropical medicine - there are a lot of very nasty
> infectious diseases which are prevalent in tropical zones which just
> do not occur in Europe, and for which the average medical practitioner
> is not trained to catch.
>
> If you can't find a specialist in sports medicine in Roumania, try a
> physiotherapist. They are involved in the "mechanics" of
> articulations every day, and may also spot something sooner than a
> physician who does not know what to look for.
>
> If all else fails, given that Roumania is now a member of the European
> Community, see if there are reciprocal agreements with, say, the
> S=E9curit=E9 Sociale in France. If there are, go and see a specialist in
> Paris.
I received similar advices from a lot of people because in Romania
both MRI usage and arthroscopic operations are new (less than 5 years)
compared to some other countries.
In fact part of my search is to find someone with MRI reading
experience to send him my scans in DICOM format for an opinion.
Len
www.len.ro
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 19:33:38
From: Andrew Price
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
On 3 2007 01:10:57 -0800, "len" <ilen.corciovei@gmail.com >
wrote:
[---]
>In conclusion, after analysis of the doctors diagnosis, and my
>personal observations I am completely lost. First the diagnosis where
>conflicting to say the least. Second they did not seemed to consider
>the warmth effect I have noticed as the only remedy.
That suggests that they do not *know* what the problem is. In France
and Germany, there is a field of specialisation for medical
practitioners called "sports medicine", and if that exists in
Roumania, I would go and see one.
They are specialised in the type of injuries and problems which
typically only (or at least, much more frequently) happen to
sportsmen, and they will therefore spot things like incipient knee
problems much sooner than will, say, a general practitioner or a
specialist in another field, because they just do not have the
experience to make a proper diagnosis.
It's similar to tropical medicine - there are a lot of very nasty
infectious diseases which are prevalent in tropical zones which just
do not occur in Europe, and for which the average medical practitioner
is not trained to catch.
If you can't find a specialist in sports medicine in Roumania, try a
physiotherapist. They are involved in the "mechanics" of
articulations every day, and may also spot something sooner than a
physician who does not know what to look for.
If all else fails, given that Roumania is now a member of the European
Community, see if there are reciprocal agreements with, say, the
Sécurité Sociale in France. If there are, go and see a specialist in
Paris.
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 09:38:43
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
On 4, 5:59 pm, "Will" <waller.will...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 4, 4:56 am, "len" <ilen.corcio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 4, 5:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > "Daryl Hunt" wrote: Seek a competent Doctor.
>
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > Daryl, Len has been to FOUR doctors. He is looking for advice on whom to
> > > believe. How do you propose that he narrow the search? I'm sure that each
> > > one of these charges plenty for his service, and I'm sure Len is willing to
> > > pay for effective treatment, but how does a layman cope with soaring costs
> > > and no results?
>
> > In my day to day life I am a computer science engineer. If I work on
> > product which then has some problems I am put to the wall but it seems
> > to me that the doctors can give some contradictory opinions and
> > solutions, some of which are certainly wrong and everything is ok.
> > Searching for various opinions on my knees problems I have found
> > horrific stories of what doctors did to patients.
>
> Perhaps you might share a bit of sports history... did you run cross
> country, play ball, etc.? 28 years is young for degenerative
> anything...
I did a lot of sports during high school, cycling, basket, mountain
randonee but nothing extreme or professional. Then I stopped (around
19), got a job and started working a lot, 12-16h on a chair in front
of a computer. I gained a lot of weight. It lasted for 3-4 years and
then I realised the wrong doing and started doing some sport again
mainly cycling. I have a road bike since 2 years and I did no more
than 5000 km per year with the roadbike (biggest trip was this:
http://www.len.ro/cycling/to-the-black-sea/ usually in the weekends
and much less last year than the year before. I also have another bike
for trips around the city. I started loosing weight but still work a
lot since I have my own company which I try to maintain. I am living
and working in a very cold place on the north-west and have
experiences problems with other articulations: hands, ankle, head
which have faded away after some time. The knee problem is the worst
yet.
Len
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 18:41:13
From: Luke
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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In article <1173029923.833156.226580@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >, len
<ilen.corciovei@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 4, 5:59 pm, "Will" <waller.will...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 4, 4:56 am, "len" <ilen.corcio...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 4, 5:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > "Daryl Hunt" wrote: Seek a competent Doctor.
> >
> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > Daryl, Len has been to FOUR doctors. He is looking for advice on whom
> > > > to
> > > > believe. How do you propose that he narrow the search? I'm sure that
> > > > each
> > > > one of these charges plenty for his service, and I'm sure Len is
> > > > willing to
> > > > pay for effective treatment, but how does a layman cope with soaring
> > > > costs
> > > > and no results?
> >
> > > In my day to day life I am a computer science engineer. If I work on
> > > product which then has some problems I am put to the wall but it seems
> > > to me that the doctors can give some contradictory opinions and
> > > solutions, some of which are certainly wrong and everything is ok.
> > > Searching for various opinions on my knees problems I have found
> > > horrific stories of what doctors did to patients.
> >
> > Perhaps you might share a bit of sports history... did you run cross
> > country, play ball, etc.? 28 years is young for degenerative
> > anything...
>
> I did a lot of sports during high school, cycling, basket, mountain
> randonee but nothing extreme or professional. Then I stopped (around
> 19), got a job and started working a lot, 12-16h on a chair in front
> of a computer. I gained a lot of weight. It lasted for 3-4 years and
> then I realised the wrong doing and started doing some sport again
> mainly cycling. I have a road bike since 2 years and I did no more
> than 5000 km per year with the roadbike (biggest trip was this:
> http://www.len.ro/cycling/to-the-black-sea/ usually in the weekends
> and much less last year than the year before. I also have another bike
> for trips around the city. I started loosing weight but still work a
> lot since I have my own company which I try to maintain. I am living
> and working in a very cold place on the north-west and have
> experiences problems with other articulations: hands, ankle, head
> which have faded away after some time. The knee problem is the worst
> yet.
>
> Len
>
Another unqualified opinion following....
I'd interpret the sudden onset of your affliction as a fact militating
against a chronic degenerative condition. Your youth as well. As to
what exactly is the cause of the pain -- I don't know.
But it is strongly recommended that you relegate surgery to the option
of last resort and then only if there is some measure of consensus
among doctors. Don't go under the knife unless absolutely necessary.
Step one, which you've wisely already undertaken, is to take stock of
your lifestyle and recognize that it was imperilling your health. My
experience is that aches and pains come and go, often with no plausible
cause, and that seemingly unrelated areas such as diet -- a regimen
heavy in animal based foods can significantly exacerbate arthritis for
instance -- can be aggravating factors.
Given your sedentary lifestyle perhaps the pain may just indicate that
you're trying to do too much too fast -- periods of relative inactivity
punctuated by stretches of intense or prolonged exertion is a sure way
to encourage injury as many an office worker who suffered a heart
attack while shovelling snow will attest. Perhaps a particularly
strenuous outing strained your knees which, by your note of numerous
joint difficulties, may have also been suffering from a general joint
ailment originating ????.
And sometimes, if a demanding schedule and fatigue abates, the problem
just resolves itself. Len, maybe replacing the booleans and functions
before your nose with some roses and doing a whole lotta nothing for
while is just what the doctor should order.
Luke
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 18:16:12
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
len wrote:
> On 4, 5:59 pm, "Will" <waller.will...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 4, 4:56 am, "len" <ilen.corcio...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 4, 5:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>> "Daryl Hunt" wrote: Seek a competent Doctor.
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> Daryl, Len has been to FOUR doctors. He is looking for advice on whom to
>>>> believe. How do you propose that he narrow the search? I'm sure that each
>>>> one of these charges plenty for his service, and I'm sure Len is willing to
>>>> pay for effective treatment, but how does a layman cope with soaring costs
>>>> and no results?
>>> In my day to day life I am a computer science engineer. If I work on
>>> product which then has some problems I am put to the wall but it seems
>>> to me that the doctors can give some contradictory opinions and
>>> solutions, some of which are certainly wrong and everything is ok.
>>> Searching for various opinions on my knees problems I have found
>>> horrific stories of what doctors did to patients.
>> Perhaps you might share a bit of sports history... did you run cross
>> country, play ball, etc.? 28 years is young for degenerative
>> anything...
>
> I did a lot of sports during high school, cycling, basket, mountain
> randonee but nothing extreme or professional. Then I stopped (around
> 19), got a job and started working a lot, 12-16h on a chair in front
> of a computer. I gained a lot of weight. It lasted for 3-4 years and
> then I realised the wrong doing and started doing some sport again
> mainly cycling. I have a road bike since 2 years and I did no more
> than 5000 km per year with the roadbike (biggest trip was this:
> http://www.len.ro/cycling/to-the-black-sea/ usually in the weekends
> and much less last year than the year before. I also have another bike
> for trips around the city. I started loosing weight but still work a
> lot since I have my own company which I try to maintain. I am living
> and working in a very cold place on the north-west and have
> experiences problems with other articulations: hands, ankle, head
> which have faded away after some time. The knee problem is the worst
> yet.
>
> Len
>
I think you just diagnosed yourself correctly, cubicle syndrome. It may
be fun to be the computer guru but that does nothing for your bottom
(mid) line. The st ones I know go out at lunch and instead of going
to McJunk food's, they power walk, jog (not recommended by me), run, or
bicycle to burn off pounds and frustration. Just being 28 does not make
you heart attack proof. My sister knew an in-house caretaker who was
vastly overweight and died of a heart attack at 25, in the house of an
elderly couple she was taking care of. Nobody is immune to the effects
of cubicles or television. The knee problem may be due to some bad
landings on the basketball court. That is pretty intense high impact.
Bill Baka
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 07:59:57
From: Will
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
On 4, 4:56 am, "len" <ilen.corcio...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 4, 5:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > "Daryl Hunt" wrote: Seek a competent Doctor.
>
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Daryl, Len has been to FOUR doctors. He is looking for advice on whom to
> > believe. How do you propose that he narrow the search? I'm sure that each
> > one of these charges plenty for his service, and I'm sure Len is willing to
> > pay for effective treatment, but how does a layman cope with soaring costs
> > and no results?
>
> In my day to day life I am a computer science engineer. If I work on
> product which then has some problems I am put to the wall but it seems
> to me that the doctors can give some contradictory opinions and
> solutions, some of which are certainly wrong and everything is ok.
> Searching for various opinions on my knees problems I have found
> horrific stories of what doctors did to patients.
Perhaps you might share a bit of sports history... did you run cross
country, play ball, etc.? 28 years is young for degenerative
anything...
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 02:56:16
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
On 4, 5:10 am, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
> "Daryl Hunt" wrote: Seek a competent Doctor.
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Daryl, Len has been to FOUR doctors. He is looking for advice on whom to
> believe. How do you propose that he narrow the search? I'm sure that each
> one of these charges plenty for his service, and I'm sure Len is willing to
> pay for effective treatment, but how does a layman cope with soaring costs
> and no results?
In my day to day life I am a computer science engineer. If I work on
product which then has some problems I am put to the wall but it seems
to me that the doctors can give some contradictory opinions and
solutions, some of which are certainly wrong and everything is ok.
Searching for various opinions on my knees problems I have found
horrific stories of what doctors did to patients.
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 14:44:52
From: len
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
On 3, 7:20 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net > wrote:
> "len" wrote: (clip) I woke up with an intense pain in both knees. (clip)
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> This is an important fact which, it seems to me, is not getting enough
> attention. It is extremely unlikely that any kind of degenerative
> conditions would appear suddenly and intensely IN BOTH KNEES during the
> night. You didn't tell us your age, but some arthritis could be present,
> but overnight onset?
>
> I'm not a doctor--I just play one on the internet. What is
> meteo-dependence? Is it a polite word for "nuts?"
I'm 28. And I agree with you: sudden pain ca be either caused by an
accident which is not the case or by some kind of inflamatory
reaction.
meteo-dependence is what old people say: it hurts when it rains.
Len
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 10:09:35
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
len wrote:
> On 3, 7:20 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> "len" wrote: (clip) I woke up with an intense pain in both knees. (clip)
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> This is an important fact which, it seems to me, is not getting enough
>> attention. It is extremely unlikely that any kind of degenerative
>> conditions would appear suddenly and intensely IN BOTH KNEES during the
>> night. You didn't tell us your age, but some arthritis could be present,
>> but overnight onset?
>>
>> I'm not a doctor--I just play one on the internet. What is
>> meteo-dependence? Is it a polite word for "nuts?"
>
> I'm 28. And I agree with you: sudden pain ca be either caused by an
> accident which is not the case or by some kind of inflamatory
> reaction.
>
> meteo-dependence is what old people say: it hurts when it rains.
>
> Len
>
Older guy advice coming.
At 58 I like to both bike, hike, and flat out run. About 3 days ago I
took a spontaneous run (no jogging on heels) until I was about ready to
collapse and set a 2.5 football field record. The next morning my left
knee (good one) hurt really bad and my right knee (bad one, broken leg)
felt just fine. After I was up and about the pain went away, probably
because I bicycled that day. That was the first time I have EVER had
pain in that knee, and I hope it isn't a precursor of (Oh My God, I'm
getting old). I cracked my thumb in an altercation with a pickup truck
about 2 months ago and now that is like it never happened. Time heals.
At 30 years younger than me I really doubt that you have any kind of
degenerative disease unless you have a really seriously bad family
history. If it does come back on a regular basis then by all means, go
see a doctor. One time things come and go with all of us, but the ones
that repeat are probably trying to tell you something. 28 is waaaay too
young to be having problems. At that age I used to run an hour or two on
Sunday mornings waiting for my beer league baseball friends to show up,
and then we played baseball until either it got too dark or we had one
keg too many.
The good old days.
Bill Baka
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 14:28:54
From: Bruce Gilbert
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
> >
> Older guy advice coming.
> At 58 I like to both bike, hike, and flat out run. About 3 days ago I
> took a spontaneous run (no jogging on heels) until I was about ready to
> collapse and set a 2.5 football field record. The next morning my left
> knee (good one) hurt really bad and my right knee (bad one, broken leg)
> felt just fine. After I was up and about the pain went away, probably
> because I bicycled that day. That was the first time I have EVER had
> pain in that knee, and I hope it isn't a precursor of (Oh My God, I'm
> getting old). I cracked my thumb in an altercation with a pickup truck
> about 2 months ago and now that is like it never happened. Time heals.
> At 30 years younger than me I really doubt that you have any kind of
> degenerative disease unless you have a really seriously bad family
> history. If it does come back on a regular basis then by all means, go
> see a doctor. One time things come and go with all of us, but the ones
> that repeat are probably trying to tell you something. 28 is waaaay too
> young to be having problems. At that age I used to run an hour or two on
> Sunday mornings waiting for my beer league baseball friends to show up,
> and then we played baseball until either it got too dark or we had one
> keg too many.
> The good old days.
> Bill Baka
I am 56. I started bike racing in 1965 (at 15). Over the past number of
years, I have acquired about 30+ fractures. Most of them due to 25 years of
Karate on top of the bike racing and a nasty plane crash in 1976. I know
from hurt. Please do not mistake me for a medical professional, by any
stretch of the imagination.
Recently, I came upon something that gave me tremendous irritation relief.
There is a spice used in Indian and Chinese cooking called Tumeric (or
Turmeric). It has an ingredient in it called curricumin. One of the local
health food stores has the Tumeric powder packaged in capsules. I take two a
day. Within two weeks, I saw a serious reduction in discomfort. According to
what I was able to find out, there is very little chance of any reaction
with other medications. Apparently, this stuff is widely used in the UK. My
distributor over there said everyone has been using it for years with great
success against arthritis and general irritation problems.
Do a Google search on this stuff and look for the official info from the
British government. It is quite interesting.
Bruce
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 11:32:08
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
Bruce Gilbert wrote:
>> Older guy advice coming.
>> At 58 I like to both bike, hike, and flat out run. About 3 days ago I
>> took a spontaneous run (no jogging on heels) until I was about ready to
>> collapse and set a 2.5 football field record. The next morning my left
>> knee (good one) hurt really bad and my right knee (bad one, broken leg)
>> felt just fine. After I was up and about the pain went away, probably
>> because I bicycled that day. That was the first time I have EVER had
>> pain in that knee, and I hope it isn't a precursor of (Oh My God, I'm
>> getting old). I cracked my thumb in an altercation with a pickup truck
>> about 2 months ago and now that is like it never happened. Time heals.
>> At 30 years younger than me I really doubt that you have any kind of
>> degenerative disease unless you have a really seriously bad family
>> history. If it does come back on a regular basis then by all means, go
>> see a doctor. One time things come and go with all of us, but the ones
>> that repeat are probably trying to tell you something. 28 is waaaay too
>> young to be having problems. At that age I used to run an hour or two on
>> Sunday mornings waiting for my beer league baseball friends to show up,
>> and then we played baseball until either it got too dark or we had one
>> keg too many.
>> The good old days.
>> Bill Baka
>
> I am 56. I started bike racing in 1965 (at 15). Over the past number of
> years, I have acquired about 30+ fractures. Most of them due to 25 years of
> Karate on top of the bike racing and a nasty plane crash in 1976. I know
> from hurt. Please do not mistake me for a medical professional, by any
> stretch of the imagination.
>
> Recently, I came upon something that gave me tremendous irritation relief.
> There is a spice used in Indian and Chinese cooking called Tumeric (or
> Turmeric). It has an ingredient in it called curricumin. One of the local
> health food stores has the Tumeric powder packaged in capsules. I take two a
> day. Within two weeks, I saw a serious reduction in discomfort. According to
> what I was able to find out, there is very little chance of any reaction
> with other medications. Apparently, this stuff is widely used in the UK. My
> distributor over there said everyone has been using it for years with great
> success against arthritis and general irritation problems.
>
> Do a Google search on this stuff and look for the official info from the
> British government. It is quite interesting.
>
> Bruce
>
>
These days, anything that works, FDA approved or not, can be tried and
if it works, just do a little more studying to make sure it doesn't have
liver complications.
They really can't license 'food supplements'.
Bill Baka
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 16:36:56
From: nash
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
"Bruce Gilbert" <bhgilbert@hal-pc.org > wrote in message
news:GOVGh.6806$PL.5203@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> >
>> Older guy advice coming.
>> At 58 I like to both bike, hike, and flat out run. About 3 days ago I
>> took a spontaneous run (no jogging on heels) until I was about ready to
>> collapse and set a 2.5 football field record. The next morning my left
>> knee (good one) hurt really bad and my right knee (bad one, broken leg)
>> felt just fine. After I was up and about the pain went away, probably
>> because I bicycled that day. That was the first time I have EVER had
>> pain in that knee, and I hope it isn't a precursor of (Oh My God, I'm
>> getting old). I cracked my thumb in an altercation with a pickup truck
>> about 2 months ago and now that is like it never happened. Time heals.
>> At 30 years younger than me I really doubt that you have any kind of
>> degenerative disease unless you have a really seriously bad family
>> history. If it does come back on a regular basis then by all means, go
>> see a doctor. One time things come and go with all of us, but the ones
>> that repeat are probably trying to tell you something. 28 is waaaay too
>> young to be having problems. At that age I used to run an hour or two on
>> Sunday mornings waiting for my beer league baseball friends to show up,
>> and then we played baseball until either it got too dark or we had one
>> keg too many.
>> The good old days.
>> Bill Baka
>
> I am 56. I started bike racing in 1965 (at 15). Over the past number of
> years, I have acquired about 30+ fractures. Most of them due to 25 years
> of
> Karate on top of the bike racing and a nasty plane crash in 1976. I know
> from hurt. Please do not mistake me for a medical professional, by any
> stretch of the imagination.
>
> Recently, I came upon something that gave me tremendous irritation relief.
> There is a spice used in Indian and Chinese cooking called Tumeric (or
> Turmeric). It has an ingredient in it called curricumin. One of the local
> health food stores has the Tumeric powder packaged in capsules. I take two
> a
> day. Within two weeks, I saw a serious reduction in discomfort. According
> to
> what I was able to find out, there is very little chance of any reaction
> with other medications. Apparently, this stuff is widely used in the UK.
> My
> distributor over there said everyone has been using it for years with
> great
> success against arthritis and general irritation problems.
>
> Do a Google search on this stuff and look for the official info from the
> British government. It is quite interesting.
>
> Bruce
Large doses of Vitamin C is a pain killer and hot pepper sauce is a good one
too. It is what is used in Lakota arthritis pills. Capsaicin or something.
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 15:48:01
From: Daryl Hunt
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
|
"len" <ilen.corciovei@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1172961892.448206.276310@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On 3, 7:20 pm, "Leo Lichtman" <l.licht...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> "len" wrote: (clip) I woke up with an intense pain in both knees. (clip)
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> This is an important fact which, it seems to me, is not getting enough
>> attention. It is extremely unlikely that any kind of degenerative
>> conditions would appear suddenly and intensely IN BOTH KNEES during the
>> night. You didn't tell us your age, but some arthritis could be
>> present,
>> but overnight onset?
>>
>> I'm not a doctor--I just play one on the internet. What is
>> meteo-dependence? Is it a polite word for "nuts?"
>
> I'm 28. And I agree with you: sudden pain ca be either caused by an
> accident which is not the case or by some kind of inflamatory
> reaction.
>
> meteo-dependence is what old people say: it hurts when it rains.
Seek a competent Doctor.
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 03:10:02
From: Leo Lichtman
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"Daryl Hunt" wrote: Seek a competent Doctor.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Daryl, Len has been to FOUR doctors. He is looking for advice on whom to
believe. How do you propose that he narrow the search? I'm sure that each
one of these charges plenty for his service, and I'm sure Len is willing to
pay for effective treatment, but how does a layman cope with soaring costs
and no results?
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Date: 04 Mar 2007 16:34:22
From: Daryl Hunt
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"Leo Lichtman" <l.lichtman@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:eMqGh.96247$5j1.20061@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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> "Daryl Hunt" wrote: Seek a competent Doctor.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Daryl, Len has been to FOUR doctors. He is looking for advice on whom to
> believe. How do you propose that he narrow the search? I'm sure that
> each one of these charges plenty for his service, and I'm sure Len is
> willing to pay for effective treatment, but how does a layman cope with
> soaring costs and no results?
I doubt if any of us in here are qualified to answer that. He's been to 4
doctors and all 4 say the same thing or different things? If they are all 4
saying different things then doctor #5 is in order. If they are all saying
the same thing then he needs to listen to them.
But am I qualified to give out medical advice? Hell, I don't even like
taking Aspirin. And I have both knees bad (among other ailments) but the
pain reminds me I am alive.
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Date: 03 Mar 2007 17:20:35
From: Leo Lichtman
Subject: Re: Knee problems, conflicting diagnosis, MRI
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"len" wrote: (clip) I woke up with an intense pain in both knees. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is an important fact which, it seems to me, is not getting enough
attention. It is extremely unlikely that any kind of degenerative
conditions would appear suddenly and intensely IN BOTH KNEES during the
night. You didn't tell us your age, but some arthritis could be present,
but overnight onset?
I'm not a doctor--I just play one on the internet. What is
meteo-dependence? Is it a polite word for "nuts?"
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