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Date: 04 Jun 2007 13:08:38
From: SMS
Subject: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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During my search for a rear rack that would work with the Arkel Bug
pannier/backpack I compiled a document with various possible suitable racks.
I needed a rack that would:
a) allow the pannier to be mounted far back enough so my foot wouldn't
hit it with every crank revolution (size 11.5/46 shoes).
b) had a way to hook the shock cord hook to something when the pannier
was mounted toward the rear of the rack.
c) had a "dog leg" style rear support strut so the pannier wouldn' flop
into the wheel on bumps.
I put together a list of racks that would be suitable.
I put them onto a web site here: "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/".
Maybe it will help someone else looking for a suitable rack, since most
rear racks on the market are not well designed to use with panniers.
If anyone knows of any racks that I've missed then please let me know
and I'll add them to the site. It should have at least a 15" platform
length, have a "dog leg" style (or other appropriate style) rear strut,
and have a long flat area at the bottom for hooking the shock cord.
Steve
http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/
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Date: 29 Jun 2007 16:33:07
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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SMS wrote:
> During my search for a rear rack that would work with the Arkel Bug
> pannier/backpack I compiled a document with various possible suitable
> racks.
<snip >
I added some stuff to "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/". One solution
that I theorized about, I finally tried, and it worked well. I
fabricated some rectangles of aluminum, drilled and tapped them, and
made them into "extenders" to mount a normal size rack about 1.75"
further back.
There's a picture of it at
"http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/rackimages/extender.JPG"
With the Arkel Bug, the pannier is no longer hanging way off the rear of
the rack, and the hook can attach properly to the bottom rail.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 14:34:16
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com > wrote:
> SMS wrote:
>> During my search for a rear rack that would work with the Arkel Bug
>> pannier/backpack I compiled a document with various possible suitable
>> racks.
>
> <snip>
>
> I added some stuff to "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/". One solution
> that I theorized about, I finally tried, and it worked well. I
> fabricated some rectangles of aluminum, drilled and tapped them, and
> made them into "extenders" to mount a normal size rack about 1.75"
> further back.
There's no problem with the rectangles rotating out of position?
>
> There's a picture of it at
> "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/rackimages/extender.JPG"
>
> With the Arkel Bug, the pannier is no longer hanging way off the rear of
> the rack, and the hook can attach properly to the bottom rail.
Very cool.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
handshaking protocol, n:
A process employed by hostile hardware devices to initate a
terse but civil dialogue, which, in turn, is characterized by
occasional misunderstanding, sulking, and name-calling.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 20:58:21
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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the laptop requires suspension from the upper body.
campmor has a ground running garmet bag on sale fits a large screen
laptop
campmor.com #60871-C
DIY add foam with nylon covers
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:50:51
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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On Jun 6, 12:26 pm, "victor....@gmail.com" <victor....@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jun 6, 11:22 am, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu> wrote:
> ...
>
> > You know, I'm often at odds with Steve on various issues. But I still
> > appreciate the time he took to throw together the page. Having large
> > feet, pannier mounting can be a real pain. There's no need to go
> > denigrating someone else's contribution.
>
> Ditto. And by including info about the Bor Yueh Urban rack, which
> Steve evidently does have in hand and has evaluated, the info on that
> page can save some folks the hassle of getting what looks like (and
> maybe incorrectly described by the manufacturer as) a solution to some
> problem, when it really doesn't quite live up to expectations.
Ah, that illustrates the point: if Steve Scharf did not have the Bor
Yueh Urban rack "in hand", he well may have just put the "specs" on
the site, and, in effect, recommended that rack based on those specs.
Making judgements based on "specs" is superficial at best, and often
mis-leading. Another example is Scharf's dismissal of Bruce Gordon's
racks sans a first hand evaluation. IMO, Bruce Gordon knows a whole
lot more regarding touring, touring bikes and touring gear than does
Steve Scharf. Absent better evidence, my guess is that the BG racks
have more merit than Scharf can find in the "specs". YMMV.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 11:52:23
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Ah, that illustrates the point: if Steve Scharf did not have the Bor
> Yueh Urban rack "in hand", he well may have just put the "specs" on
> the site, and, in effect, recommended that rack based on those specs.
> Making judgements based on "specs" is superficial at best, and often
> mis-leading. Another example is Scharf's dismissal of Bruce Gordon's
> racks sans a first hand evaluation. IMO, Bruce Gordon knows a whole
> lot more regarding touring, touring bikes and touring gear than does
> Steve Scharf. Absent better evidence, my guess is that the BG racks
> have more merit than Scharf can find in the "specs". YMMV.
You can guess that the BG racks have more merit, but you'd be wrong.
Superior quality construction and materials don't make up for design issues.
I'm quite familiar with Bruce Gordon's racks, as I have two friends that
have complete Bruce Gordon BLT bicycles with BG front and rear racks.
Since Bruce Gordon's bikes haven't gone down the dark side of compact
frames, his racks work fine with panniers that aren't too wide. It's the
larger panniers and/or the smaller compact-frame bicycles, where the
shorter racks, including BG's will have problem.
What Robert Beckman writes about BG racks is unfortunately true,
"...Many racks have platforms that are way too short (like rear Gordon
racks)...". The Beckman racks are the only ones I could find that had no
design issues at all, at least as relates to mounting panniers,
mounting to the bike, mounting loads on the top platform, heel
clearance, and platform design. If I were rich, I'd run out and buy some
and be done with it.
That said, I'm sure BG could weld you up whatever you want. It's true
that you want your panniers as low and as far forward as possible, and
the 'far-forward' part is forced upon you in many cases because the rack
platforms are so short. Unfortunately the side effect of this is often
that your heel will hit the pannier with every revolution of the wheel.
Steve
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 19:55:51
From: Bill Bushnell
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com > wrote:
> That said, I'm sure BG could weld you up whatever you want. It's true
> that you want your panniers as low and as far forward as possible, and
> the 'far-forward' part is forced upon you in many cases because the rack
> platforms are so short. Unfortunately the side effect of this is often
> that your heel will hit the pannier with every revolution of the wheel.
Although it's a bit more involved than adding a rear rack, the FreeRadical appears to
solve the problem of having the weight too far aft and might also solve the
heel-strike problem.
http://www.xtracycle.com/freerad.php
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Bill Bushnell
http://pobox.com/~bushnell/
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:34:35
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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In rec.bicycles.misc Bill Bushnell <mrbill@pobox.com > wrote:
> In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> That said, I'm sure BG could weld you up whatever you want. It's true
>> that you want your panniers as low and as far forward as possible, and
>> the 'far-forward' part is forced upon you in many cases because the rack
>> platforms are so short. Unfortunately the side effect of this is often
>> that your heel will hit the pannier with every revolution of the wheel.
>
> Although it's a bit more involved than adding a rear rack, the FreeRadical appears to
> solve the problem of having the weight too far aft and might also solve the
> heel-strike problem.
Well, I've got one of those, but I don't think he's quite ready for that
sort of thing yet. The MTB he has that would theoretically make an okay
conversion doesn't have a front derailleur. Due to the way it's setup it's
*really* difficult to add one to that bike.
No braze-ons to hold cable housing
Aluminum - can't braze some on
Thick oval tubing - too big for problem solver clamp-ons
No bottom bracket guide - could drill & tap to fix that
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"Not to perambulate the corridors in the hours of
repose in the boots of ascension."
-In an Austrian hotel catering to skiers
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:48:41
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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try Home Depot's tool section. There's storage boxes back there.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 12:26:13
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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datakoll wrote:
> try Home Depot's tool section. There's storage boxes back there.
>
>
If anybody is talking about carrying a laptop it seems the only place
that would be safe would be in a backpack. My reasoning is that even a
laptop can stand only so much jarring before something gives. Those LCD
screens are the easiest thing to break and that can get costly. I think
the computer internals are pretty solid, but why chance it?
Bill Baka
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:26:21
From: victor.kan@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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On Jun 6, 11:22 am, Dane Buson <d...@unseen.edu > wrote:
...
> You know, I'm often at odds with Steve on various issues. But I still
> appreciate the time he took to throw together the page. Having large
> feet, pannier mounting can be a real pain. There's no need to go
> denigrating someone else's contribution.
Ditto. And by including info about the Bor Yueh Urban rack, which
Steve evidently does have in hand and has evaluated, the info on that
page can save some folks the hassle of getting what looks like (and
maybe incorrectly described by the manufacturer as) a solution to some
problem, when it really doesn't quite live up to expectations.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 14:01:13
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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o% service 100% attitude?
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:34:53
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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On Jun 6, 8:19 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> > > THE fact is 100% service 0% attitude at
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&tab=wl&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=com.mic...
Geez, Texarkana ain't even *in* the Ozarks! And what's yer point,
other than possibly having a few net nuts bug some folks who don't
seem to post here?
Nice work, Gene. Now take yer meds.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:19:38
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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> > THE fact is 100% service 0% attitude at
http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&tab=wl&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=com.microsoft%3A*%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7GGLJ&q=Ozark%20Bicycle%20Service
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:15:34
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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On Jun 6, 7:27 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Holy cow!! Here's a $239 rack
>
> http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:RoNzeogslN4J:www.calhouncycle.co...
>
> http://www.bicycletouring101.com/FrontAndRearRacks.htm
That's *not* the top of the market. Ahearne has some contenders:
http://www.ahearnecycles.com/racks.htm
Toring rack $275, front touring rack $250.
Oh, and a $330 "grocery rack".
"There's a sucker born every minute." - Barnum
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:05:28
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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On Jun 5, 11:18 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > It appears this is merely a compilation of "specs" not an actual test
> > or even an examination of most of these racks. Is that the case?
>
> Indeed, it is a compilation of racks, that according to their specs and
> design, would be likely to solve the heel clearance problem experienced
> by many riders when using panniers.
>
> I have not tested or even seen all of these racks.
>
> As I stated in the original post, "I compiled a document with various
> possible suitable racks."
That statement would not preclude the actual testing, or at least,
first hand examination, of the racks.
The fact is, all you did was spend some time doing a 'net search and
then you made a "webpage" from the selected results. Not very helpful,
really.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:22:00
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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In rec.bicycles.misc Ozark Bicycle <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>
> The fact is, all you did was spend some time doing a 'net search and
> then you made a "webpage" from the selected results. Not very helpful,
> really.
You know, I'm often at odds with Steve on various issues. But I still
appreciate the time he took to throw together the page. Having large
feet, pannier mounting can be a real pain. There's no need to go
denigrating someone else's contribution.
Rather, why doesn't one ask "What can I contribute to others?"
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"Some drink at the fountain of knowledge...
others just gargle."
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:15:54
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> The fact is, all you did was spend some time doing a 'net search and
> then you made a "webpage" from the selected results. Not very helpful,
> really.
Maybe not to you, but in the two days that it's been up, already two
people have said that it's been helpful to them.
This isn't rocket science. By looking at the design and dimensions of a
rack you can tell how suitable it is for solving the heel clearance
issue, as well as other design characteristics. But as you said, this is
just a compilation. Whatever. I don't get anything from doing this.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 12:27:16
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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Holy cow!! Here's a $239 rack
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:RoNzeogslN4J:www.calhouncycle.com/productcart/pc/viewCat_h.asp%3FidCategory%3D69+bicycle+rear+racks&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=49&gl=us
http://www.bicycletouring101.com/FrontAndRearRacks.htm
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 12:20:47
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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http://www.bicycletouring101.com/FrontAndRearRacks.htm
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 20:38:37
From: PiledHIgher
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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On Jun 6, 12:16 pm, "Mike Kruger" <Mik...@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> SMS wrote:
> > When I ride with my laptop I use a messenger bag. It's too much
> > jolting on the rack in a pannier.
>
> You may be being cautious. Before I started carrying my laptop in a pannier,
> I searched on bike groups to find out if there were problems with carrying a
> laptop on a pannier. While many (including me) have a protective case
> inside the pannier, there doesn't seem to be evidence of problems, even
> going back to the days of early, less sturdy laptops.
In either case take the time to turn the laptop off, not let it sleep,
makes sure the hard drive heads are away from the disk. Aternatively
buy a SSD 'hard drive'.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 03:07:56
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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Wellll, I'd like to set him up with something a little more aesthetic
and streamlined?
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Navigation?
marketID=401&onlineStore=true&locStoreNum=8125&Ntk=AllProps&N=10000003+90401+502580&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053&langId=-1
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2627595
http://www.cuc.claremont.edu/heo/images/condompeople.jpg
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 02:46:05
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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It appears this is merely a compilation of "specs" not an actual test
or even an examination of most of these racks. Is that the case?
On Jun 4, 3:08 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> During my search for a rear rack that would work with the Arkel Bug
> pannier/backpack I compiled a document with various possible suitable racks.
>
> I needed a rack that would:
>
> a) allow the pannier to be mounted far back enough so my foot wouldn't
> hit it with every crank revolution (size 11.5/46 shoes).
>
> b) had a way to hook the shock cord hook to something when the pannier
> was mounted toward the rear of the rack.
>
> c) had a "dog leg" style rear support strut so the pannier wouldn' flop
> into the wheel on bumps.
>
> I put together a list of racks that would be suitable.
>
> I put them onto a web site here: "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/".
> Maybe it will help someone else looking for a suitable rack, since most
> rear racks on the market are not well designed to use with panniers.
>
> If anyone knows of any racks that I've missed then please let me know
> and I'll add them to the site. It should have at least a 15" platform
> length, have a "dog leg" style (or other appropriate style) rear strut,
> and have a long flat area at the bottom for hooking the shock cord.
>
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 21:18:27
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Question for Steve Scharf Re: Long rear racks for large panniers
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> It appears this is merely a compilation of "specs" not an actual test
> or even an examination of most of these racks. Is that the case?
Indeed, it is a compilation of racks, that according to their specs and
design, would be likely to solve the heel clearance problem experienced
by many riders when using panniers.
I have not tested or even seen all of these racks.
As I stated in the original post, "I compiled a document with various
possible suitable racks."
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 00:32:02
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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thta's how we tell retarded vagrants from people on social security.
vargrants carry stuff in plastic bags over the bar while SSA retirees
have blue milk crates on racks
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 23:18:52
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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PLYWOOD REAR RACK
The rack problem is solvable thru adding =BD plywood, better than
exterior roofing CDX, to a metal rack.
Start with cardboard templates-visit a furniture store for card board.
One sheet each side, one sheet on top.
3 bean cans wide and 2' long is adequate. The 2' length should allow
the bike to stand up on the rear then lean against a support for
maintenance, lubrication, and on a seat post for rear tire removal.
Home Depot has metal hardware for joining sides to top on the top of
the top. The bottom of the top gets two 2x2's at the joint. One side
is beveled to direct and support the side plates angles to the dropout
eyelets. The beveling 2x2 is essential to force the sideplates into a
straight down run not bow out over time. The top/side/2x2 are joined
with 1/8 bolts, blue locktite, washers. That's the skilled part.
At the dropout, a 6mm grade 8 bolt is shimmed out with nuts and
washers with the female end outboard thru the side plate which gets
two fender washers each side. Use nylocks and loctite blue. Carry
spare 6mm bolts as the quality may not be grade 8. Linseed metal hole
area and all bolt hardware not painted.
This contraption is mounted over the standard metal rack's top with
rectangular straps spanning the metal racks members in 3 places-two
aside rear, one ahead middle, or four if there's room. Cut straps from
soft steel plate(scrap from metal shop), drill two holes and bolt the
ply to the rack.
The ply side's rise above the ply top's surface in three sections each
side with two flush spaces between. The risers hold the top bag and
load, form a keeper for rope loops, and allow flush access across in
the in between spaces.
The sides are cut in a curve back from your heel, trail and cut. The
sides are cut out with four lightening holes with corners elongated
for shock cord hook purchase.
My side's are a long side top short side bottom with curves front and
rear so the side plate looks like a bag. The ply is painted with
several coats of white rusto from Wal after sanding clean.
Straight side's four sides may look good in dayglo yellow or orange.
When the standard rack's chainstay bracket breaks, fix an angle across
the top's front (which runs up under the seat past the standard front
rack edge) with two holes drilled for a long legged exhaust pipe U-
bolt, standard from True Value.
The U of the bolt goes around a 1/2 section salvaged frame tube placed
over the seat post.
My rig has a second front mount of metal angle bolted to the top's
underside, running down to the seat stay cross piece. Use a steel
cable u clamp there also True Value.
For camping, the rack will mount one duffel on top with 45 pounds and
two duffels or garbage bags each side with clothing and sleeping bag,
tent bag atop the duffel.
The rear wheel is off course beefier than standard: Conti/spec tube/
Cr-18 rim/14 ga straight spokes/Deore XT/Wheels Mfg solid axle.
The ply rack's ability to continuously carry heavy loads for camping
and shopping outstrips the standard metal rack by far. And off course
there should be no mounting problems for Peter White's bags
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/packs&racks.htm , Jann, or whatever
given the bolt-on anywhere ply.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 12:12:11
From: Stephen Greenwood
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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On Jun 5, 12:20 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> Yes, the Bor-Yueh is better than I expected. I installed one on an old
> Univega mountain bike that I was converting to a pseudo-hybrid for a
> family member.
>
> I think that the measurement on the Bor Yueh web site must have included
> the length of the seat stay hardware.
>
> I had to make some custom seat stay brackets, as the ones that came with
> the rack weren't long enough, but I've had to do that with many racks.
>
> I added the Bor Yueh to the web site.
>
> "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
This thread caught my eye since I've had the same problem. Have you
considered changing panniers, as well as racks? I imagine you were
hoping to solve the problem only with a new rack, since you forked out
the money for the Arkels and want to keep them. But if you can't solve
the problem with just a new rack...
I have various racks and panniers, and the only set of panniers I have
that readily mount in a sufficiently rearward position are Ortliebs.
Besides their other niceties, they have a large range of adjustment
for their upper mounting "hooks", allowing additional rearward travel
compared to panniers that have fixed hooks located near the ends of
the bag. One thing to note is that the jaws of the upper mounts
completely encircle the rack tubing, so the mounts cannot be placed in
points where the horizontal tubing has any obstruction beneath it.
Also, for the model I have (Backroller Plus), the back of the Ortlieb
pannier is pretty stiff. I can't compare it to the Arkel, having never
used one, but mine only move a little bit, even when fully loaded.
I've never had one flop into the rear wheel, even when using a rack
that doesn't have the "dog leg" shape. Of course, there may be other
panniers that have these features, but I don't know of any.
Stephen Greenwood
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:50:52
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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Stephen Greenwood wrote:
> This thread caught my eye since I've had the same problem. Have you
> considered changing panniers, as well as racks? I imagine you were
> hoping to solve the problem only with a new rack, since you forked out
> the money for the Arkels and want to keep them. But if you can't solve
> the problem with just a new rack...
I have no problems with my regular Kangaroo panniers, and haven't found
any others with as good of a mounting system (no springs, no shock
cords). Alas, these U.S. made bags are no longer manufactured and the
company is long gone, but they were the Ortleib of the 1980's.
But the Arkel Bug is kind of a different animal, it's a convertible
pannier/backpack, and there are almost no other such designs on the
market. Arkel makes a big deal about their mounting system, and I think
that on their regular panniers it's probably fine, but the Bug's
mounting system is a little different because the backpack functionality
forced some changes in the mounting system.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 17:21:45
From: victor.kan@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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On Jun 5, 12:48 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> Yeah, the problem with most racks now extends to even those with smaller
> feet, due to bicycles with smaller frames and shorter chain stays.
I finally got my Bor Yueh Urban rack from Nashbar installed on my
Specialized Sequoia Sport, the 2003 aluminum bike with 430mm chain
stays, not their older, steel bike of the same name (quite a struggle
since the rack seems to have been designed for a bike with 120mm rear
spacing and eyelets on skinny dropouts).
It's got a short deck as I think you found when you tried that rack
out Steve? But I don't have a clearance problem with it and my
panniers as I've had on other, similarly short deck racks. Unlike
some racks with a top deck that bends up at the rear or that has
vertical tubing in the way, I can securely hang the panniers I have
all the way rearward without any interference from the rack itself. I
suppose that combined with the long (for today's road bikes, including
the 2007 Sequoias which have shrunk back a bit to ~415mm) chainstays
helps.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 11:20:24
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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victor.kan@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 5, 12:48 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, the problem with most racks now extends to even those with smaller
>> feet, due to bicycles with smaller frames and shorter chain stays.
>
> I finally got my Bor Yueh Urban rack from Nashbar installed on my
> Specialized Sequoia Sport, the 2003 aluminum bike with 430mm chain
> stays, not their older, steel bike of the same name (quite a struggle
> since the rack seems to have been designed for a bike with 120mm rear
> spacing and eyelets on skinny dropouts).
>
> It's got a short deck as I think you found when you tried that rack
> out Steve? But I don't have a clearance problem with it and my
> panniers as I've had on other, similarly short deck racks. Unlike
> some racks with a top deck that bends up at the rear or that has
> vertical tubing in the way, I can securely hang the panniers I have
> all the way rearward without any interference from the rack itself. I
> suppose that combined with the long (for today's road bikes, including
> the 2007 Sequoias which have shrunk back a bit to ~415mm) chainstays
> helps.
Yes, the Bor-Yueh is better than I expected. I installed one on an old
Univega mountain bike that I was converting to a pseudo-hybrid for a
family member.
I think that the measurement on the Bor Yueh web site must have included
the length of the seat stay hardware.
I had to make some custom seat stay brackets, as the ones that came with
the rack weren't long enough, but I've had to do that with many racks.
I added the Bor Yueh to the web site.
"http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks"
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 06:55:14
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com > wrote:
>
> I put them onto a web site here: "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/".
> Maybe it will help someone else looking for a suitable rack, since most
> rear racks on the market are not well designed to use with panniers.
It looks good. I'll show it to my coworker who's having problems with
his clearance. He's a small guy, but he also got a bike with short
chainstays, so he's having problems. The thing really stopping him from
coming to work on his bike is being able to put his laptop on the bike.
If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"It's an impressive feat to put the last nail in
your own coffin while your on the inside!"
-\. poster warpath on napsters .nap format
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 04:50:59
From: Larry
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:55:14 -0700, Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu > wrote:
>In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I put them onto a web site here: "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/".
>> Maybe it will help someone else looking for a suitable rack, since most
>> rear racks on the market are not well designed to use with panniers.
>
>It looks good. I'll show it to my coworker who's having problems with
>his clearance. He's a small guy, but he also got a bike with short
>chainstays, so he's having problems. The thing really stopping him from
>coming to work on his bike is being able to put his laptop on the bike.
>
>If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
>some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
When I was in a similar situation, I got a laptop bag that I could
sling over my shoulder. When it rained, my rain poncho would cover it,
so everything stayed dry. L.L. Bean made a nice one.
--
When trying to contact me, be polite. Rudeness will not get you anywhere.
Larry
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 19:25:24
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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> In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> I put them onto a web site here: "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/".
>> Maybe it will help someone else looking for a suitable rack, since most
>> rear racks on the market are not well designed to use with panniers.
Dane Buson wrote:
> It looks good. I'll show it to my coworker who's having problems with
> his clearance. He's a small guy, but he also got a bike with short
> chainstays, so he's having problems. The thing really stopping him from
> coming to work on his bike is being able to put his laptop on the bike.
> If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
> some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
Tub? The usual answer is to buy a milk crate, install with zipties.
The upscale version in Madison is a milk crate secured with stainless
hose clamps but that adds $2~$3.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 18:40:11
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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A Muzi wrote:
>> In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> I put them onto a web site here: "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/".
>>> Maybe it will help someone else looking for a suitable rack, since
>>> most rear racks on the market are not well designed to use with
>>> panniers.
>
> Dane Buson wrote:
>> It looks good. I'll show it to my coworker who's having problems with
>> his clearance. He's a small guy, but he also got a bike with short
>> chainstays, so he's having problems. The thing really stopping him from
>> coming to work on his bike is being able to put his laptop on the bike.
>> If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
>> some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
>
> Tub? The usual answer is to buy a milk crate, install with zipties.
> The upscale version in Madison is a milk crate secured with stainless
> hose clamps but that adds $2~$3.
When I ride with my laptop I use a messenger bag. It's too much jolting
on the rack in a pannier.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 02:16:39
From: Mike Kruger
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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SMS wrote:
> When I ride with my laptop I use a messenger bag. It's too much
> jolting on the rack in a pannier.
You may be being cautious. Before I started carrying my laptop in a pannier,
I searched on bike groups to find out if there were problems with carrying a
laptop on a pannier. While many (including me) have a protective case
inside the pannier, there doesn't seem to be evidence of problems, even
going back to the days of early, less sturdy laptops.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 18:13:07
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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In rec.bicycles.tech A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
>> If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
>> some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
>
> Tub? The usual answer is to buy a milk crate, install with zipties.
Wellll, I'd like to set him up with something a little more aesthetic
and streamlined. It would also be nice to make it waterproof and
prepadded.
> The upscale version in Madison is a milk crate secured with stainless
> hose clamps but that adds $2~$3.
Fancy.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do.
-- Paul of Tarsus, (Saint Paul)
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 14:32:57
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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"Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu > wrote in message
news:3aehj4-88b.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
> In rec.bicycles.tech A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Dane Buson wrote:
>
>>> If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
>>> some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
>>
>> Tub? The usual answer is to buy a milk crate, install with zipties.
>
> Wellll, I'd like to set him up with something a little more aesthetic
> and streamlined. It would also be nice to make it waterproof and
> prepadded.
How about those kitty litter tubs? They even come with a lid already.
--
Warm Regards,
Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:46:03
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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In rec.bicycles.misc Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
>> In rec.bicycles.tech A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> Dane Buson wrote:
>>
>>>> If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
>>>> some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
>>>
>>> Tub? The usual answer is to buy a milk crate, install with zipties.
>>
>> Wellll, I'd like to set him up with something a little more aesthetic
>> and streamlined. It would also be nice to make it waterproof and
>> prepadded.
>
> How about those kitty litter tubs? They even come with a lid already.
It's a possibility, I might pootle over to Target on my way home and see
if they have anything appropriate. I'm also minded to try the Jandd
grocery bag pannier. Then he could just throw his bag in that and strap
it down. I might drag him down to Elliot Bay, which carries it in stock
usually.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good
with ketchup."
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 00:24:08
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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"Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu > wrote in message
news:re1jj4-pno.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
> In rec.bicycles.misc Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>> "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
>>> In rec.bicycles.tech A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>> Dane Buson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
>>>>> some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
>>>>
>>>> Tub? The usual answer is to buy a milk crate, install with zipties.
>>>
>>> Wellll, I'd like to set him up with something a little more aesthetic
>>> and streamlined. It would also be nice to make it waterproof and
>>> prepadded.
>>
>> How about those kitty litter tubs? They even come with a lid already.
>
> It's a possibility, I might pootle over to Target on my way home and see
> if they have anything appropriate.
You probably don't need them, but instructions on how to do the kitty litter
pannier are here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050208161130/http://members.rogers.com/bphuntley/BikeBucket.html
--
Warm Regards,
Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 13:43:35
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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In rec.bicycles.misc Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
> news:re1jj4-pno.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
>> In rec.bicycles.misc Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>>> "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
>>>> In rec.bicycles.tech A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>> Dane Buson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
>>>>>> some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tub? The usual answer is to buy a milk crate, install with zipties.
>>>>
>>>> Wellll, I'd like to set him up with something a little more aesthetic
>>>> and streamlined. It would also be nice to make it waterproof and
>>>> prepadded.
>>>
>>> How about those kitty litter tubs? They even come with a lid already.
>>
>> It's a possibility, I might pootle over to Target on my way home and see
>> if they have anything appropriate.
>
> You probably don't need them, but instructions on how to do the kitty litter
> pannier are here:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20050208161130/http://members.rogers.com/bphuntley/BikeBucket.html
Interesting, though it's a shame there were no pictures archived. I was
planning on using carriage bolts and wing nuts. Though it looks like
we're going to try one of the Jandd grocery bag panniers first.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"Heisenburg probably rules."
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 09:48:11
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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Dane Buson wrote:
> In rec.bicycles.misc SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> I put them onto a web site here: "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/".
>> Maybe it will help someone else looking for a suitable rack, since most
>> rear racks on the market are not well designed to use with panniers.
>
> It looks good. I'll show it to my coworker who's having problems with
> his clearance. He's a small guy, but he also got a bike with short
> chainstays, so he's having problems. The thing really stopping him from
> coming to work on his bike is being able to put his laptop on the bike.
>
> If that doesn't work, I'm planning on getting a plastic tub, drilling
> some holes and fastening it to the top of the rack.
Yeah, the problem with most racks now extends to even those with smaller
feet, due to bicycles with smaller frames and shorter chain stays.
Since so few users ever hang panniers on their racks, it usually isn't
an issue.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 01:03:02
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Long rear racks for large panniers and riders with big feet "http://nordicgroup.us/rearracks/"
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Search RBT arrrhives for 'datakoll rack'
That gives:
DIY REAR RACK MOUNT
TOURING RACK
Biannual or triannual rusto painting, keeping an eye on weathering and
wear, using the rack weekly for 60-70 pound grocery loads contained in
a mil spec duffel from Campmor laced atop the rack with shock cords
And camping gear on top and laced to the ply sides
7 years!
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