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Date: 02 Apr 2007 15:10:17
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of
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http://mexiconews.com.mx/miami/24016.html
Capital officials ordered to commute on bikes
Ebrard says itīs mandatory, not an option, that Mexico City officials
ride their bicycles to the office on Monday
Lunes 02 de abril de 2007
Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard has reminded capital government
personnel that on Monday they should ride their bikes to work.
This is an order, not an option, he said last week.
Later, he met with administration secretaries, sub-secretaries, and
general directors and told them not to take his cycling program lightly.
The city will collapse if measures are not taken soon to make the roads
more bike-friendly, Ebrard said. As a result, more than 200 city
government officials must set an example, and travel to work on the
Metro or some other form of public transpotation.
In early February, Ebrard announced that the first Monday of every
month, all top level officials would be required to commute by bicycle,
to promote pollution and encourage the use of bike paths.
The mayor asked city officials and employees who live far from the city
center to take the Metro or Metrobus part of the way, and then switch to
bicycle-power.
Some officials will ride in groups, departing from meeting points in the
Polanco, Condesa, Roma and Del Valle neighborhoods.
Regarding statements made by the city attorney general and public
security secretary that they are reluctant to participate, Ebrard said
everyone had to comply with the order.
"If they are opposed for reasons of security, then Iīd suggest they
donīt publicize the route they plan to take," Ebrard said. "Anyway, a
big SUV is more visible than a bicycle."
Ebrard said a primary goal is to demonstrate the viability of bicycles
as a means of transportation in the city. He also said the city will
soon build a bike station on the Eje Central specifically for city
employees.
The mayor even said he would allow employees to commute by bici-taxi or
via roller skates.
"Motorcycles will not be acceptable, however," he said.
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 20:19:12
From: Jorg Lueke
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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On Apr 5, 9:49 pm, jk <ken...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:09:56 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
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> MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >I make lotsa sacrifices. I only drive around 4000 mals a year and i
> >keep a car for a long time. This one has almost 200,000 on it.
>
> You certainly do keep a car for a long time. You had "This one" for 50
> years (50 x 4000 = 200,000).
You assume he bought it new. Maybe it had 196,000 miles on it when he
got it.
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Date: 06 Apr 2007 13:15:26
From: jk
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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On 5 Apr 2007 20:19:12 -0700, "Jorg Lueke" <jlueke_2000@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>On Apr 5, 9:49 pm, jk <ken...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:09:56 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
>>
>> MURDERERS <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >I make lotsa sacrifices. I only drive around 4000 mals a year and i
>> >keep a car for a long time. This one has almost 200,000 on it.
>>
>> You certainly do keep a car for a long time. You had "This one" for 50
>> years (50 x 4000 = 200,000).
>
>You assume he bought it new. Maybe it had 196,000 miles on it when he
>got it.
You are the only one making assumptions. I'm assuming nothing. My
comment was based on exactly what he stated and only what he stated.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 14:54:49
From: Matthew T. Russotto
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of
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In article <t19Qh.20371$Jl.17492@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>http://mexiconews.com.mx/miami/24016.html
>
>Capital officials ordered to commute on bikes
>
>Ebrard says itīs mandatory, not an option, that Mexico City officials
>ride their bicycles to the office on Monday
Biking at over a mile high, in smog which makes LA look clean? May as
well have them smoke a pack of unfiltered Camels a day too.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 17:53:29
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday
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Matthew T. Russotto wrote:
> In article <t19Qh.20371$Jl.17492@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>http://mexiconews.com.mx/miami/24016.html
>>
>>Capital officials ordered to commute on bikes
>>
>>Ebrard says itīs mandatory, not an option, that Mexico City officials
>>ride their bicycles to the office on Monday
>
>
> Biking at over a mile high, in smog which makes LA look clean? May as
> well have them smoke a pack of unfiltered Camels a day too.
Everybody already is, whether they ride or not.
Wayne
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 08:55:36
From: Jorg Lueke
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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This is tangentially related. In India everyone who can takes some
kind of motorized transport. Either cab, auto-rickshaw, motorcycle,
or car. Walking is done only by those who have to and foreign
tourists. We actually spend 20 minutes trapped in a roundabout in
Mumbai before we found out the meeting was only 2 blocks from the
hotel. Then whenever you walk people stare at you like you are crazy.
The point is that in developing societies activities that create
pollution are tied to status.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 15:19:45
From: Larry Bud
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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On Apr 2, 12:06 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> nash wrote:
>
> > Might decommission some for life. Sort of natural selection :)
>
> This is a good idea but we'll never see it in america. Our officials
> take the view sacrifices are for the little people, not elitists like
> themselves.
You're free to start biking to work every Monday.
Oh that's right, you're a hypocrite, you'll never do it.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 14:08:41
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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On Apr 2, 1:01 pm, "Mike T." <n...@nohow.not > wrote:
> >>>> "Motorcycles will not be acceptable, however," he said.
>
> >> Why the fuck not? Do these yahoos know what motorcycles ARE??? Hint to
> >> clueless: motorcycles used to be pedal powered. Seems silly to mandate
> >> bicycles be used and then outlaw powered bicycles. -Dave
> > They are polluters Dave. try to keep a focus
>
> I am keeping a focus. Encouraging motorcycle use is a good strategy if the
> stated goal is reducing pollution. ESPECIALLY outside the U.S. In the
> U.S., HUGE motorcycle engines of ~500cc or larger are considered by most
> U.S. motorcycle riders to be "comically puny". Yet even in the U.S., -most-
> motorcycles produce a small fraction of the pollution of a car or
> UV.
Really? Last I checked, motorbikes in the states weren't required to
be emissions tested, and mostly use olde carburetor technology. I'd
venture to guess that a Honda Accord is going to be much cleaner than
an average new 1000cc bike. Bike might put out a bit less CO2, but
that's not the only thing to worry about--I mean, who's putting
catalytic converters on bikes?
That said, I find riding motorbikes quite fun, just not green. :-P
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 02:15:03
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday
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landotter wrote:
> Really? Last I checked, motorbikes in the states weren't required to
> be emissions tested, and mostly use olde carburetor technology. I'd
> venture to guess that a Honda Accord is going to be much cleaner than
> an average new 1000cc bike. Bike might put out a bit less CO2, but
> that's not the only thing to worry about--I mean, who's putting
> catalytic converters on bikes?
>
> That said, I find riding motorbikes quite fun, just not green. :-P
>
>
Not to break up the love, but I found a site that shows off some hybrid
mini-motorcycles. They get a claimed 150 MPG and can top out at 80 MPH.
I lost the link or I would have put it here. One of the bikes looked
like a baby Ninja. The performance is supposed to be close to a 250cc,
but that may just be the top speed. If anyone blunders into this site
they should post it here.
Bill Baka
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 19:34:20
From: Dave
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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> Really? Last I checked, motorbikes in the states weren't required to
> be emissions tested
And emissions testing does not reduce emissions from cars/trucks/SUVs... it
just CONFIRMS it.
>, and mostly use olde carburetor technology.
There are a few bikes still on the market with carburetors. It's mostly
recreational riders/tinkerers who buy them. In any case, there is nothing
wrong with carburetors. A motorcycle with a carburetor is a lot easier on
the environment than any car/truck/SUV, certain hybrids excluded perhaps.
> I'd
> venture to guess that a Honda Accord is going to be much cleaner than
> an average new 1000cc bike.
You'd be wrong, if you are talking about a "new" 1000cc bike. Have you also
forgotten that honda makes bikes? All of the technology in that accord can
be found in honda motorcycles . . . and then some.
> Bike might put out a bit less CO2,
If you consider a 50% or greater reduction a "bit less", I guess you have a
point.
> but
> that's not the only thing to worry about--I mean, who's putting
> catalytic converters on bikes?
Man, are you behind the times. My bike has more emissions technology than
either of my cars do (including but not limited to a catalytic converter and
fuel injection and ECU, btw). And no, my cars are not that old, but current
technology.
>
> That said, I find riding motorbikes quite fun, just not green. :-P
Well now you have another reason to enjoy it...it's green. :) -Dave
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 13:14:22
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
> http://mexiconews.com.mx/miami/24016.html
>
> Capital officials ordered to commute on bikes
>
> Ebrard says itīs mandatory, not an option, that Mexico City officials
> ride their bicycles to the office on Monday
>
> Lunes 02 de abril de 2007
> Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard has reminded capital government
> personnel that on Monday they should ride their bikes to work.
>
> This is an order, not an option, he said last week.
>
> Later, he met with administration secretaries, sub-secretaries, and
> general directors and told them not to take his cycling program lightly.
>
> The city will collapse if measures are not taken soon to make the roads
> more bike-friendly, Ebrard said. As a result, more than 200 city
> government officials must set an example, and travel to work on the
> Metro or some other form of public transpotation.
>
> In early February, Ebrard announced that the first Monday of every
> month, all top level officials would be required to commute by bicycle,
> to promote pollution and encourage the use of bike paths.
Promote pollution? Obvious editiorial snafu.
Encourage use of bike paths? Yea, a few bicyclists in a city of 20
million that are forced to ride are going encourage others to ride on
what is likey a crappy bike path. Ha.
Forcing people to ride a bike is comparable to old school lunkhead gym
teachers giving pushups as punishment.
Wayne
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 19:36:10
From: Dave
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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> Forcing people to ride a bike is comparable to old school lunkhead gym
> teachers giving pushups as punishment.
>
> Wayne
>
I predict it will be just as effective. In the old school scenario, it led
to many students avoiding gym class. I suspect in Mexico City, it will
cause some people to choose alternate careers. That's not necessarily
ad. -Dave
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 15:18:59
From: nash
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote in
message news:t19Qh.20371$Jl.17492@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> http://mexiconews.com.mx/miami/24016.html
>
> Capital officials ordered to commute on bikes
>
> Ebrard says itīs mandatory, not an option, that Mexico City officials ride
> their bicycles to the office on Monday
>
> Lunes 02 de abril de 2007
> Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard has reminded capital government personnel
> that on Monday they should ride their bikes to work.
>
> This is an order, not an option, he said last week.
>
> Later, he met with administration secretaries, sub-secretaries, and
> general directors and told them not to take his cycling program lightly.
>
> The city will collapse if measures are not taken soon to make the roads
> more bike-friendly, Ebrard said. As a result, more than 200 city
> government officials must set an example, and travel to work on the Metro
> or some other form of public transpotation.
>
> In early February, Ebrard announced that the first Monday of every month,
> all top level officials would be required to commute by bicycle, to
> promote pollution and encourage the use of bike paths.
>
> The mayor asked city officials and employees who live far from the city
> center to take the Metro or Metrobus part of the way, and then switch to
> bicycle-power.
>
> Some officials will ride in groups, departing from meeting points in the
> Polanco, Condesa, Roma and Del Valle neighborhoods.
>
> Regarding statements made by the city attorney general and public security
> secretary that they are reluctant to participate, Ebrard said everyone had
> to comply with the order.
>
> "If they are opposed for reasons of security, then Iīd suggest they donīt
> publicize the route they plan to take," Ebrard said. "Anyway, a big SUV is
> more visible than a bicycle."
>
> Ebrard said a primary goal is to demonstrate the viability of bicycles as
> a means of transportation in the city. He also said the city will soon
> build a bike station on the Eje Central specifically for city employees.
>
> The mayor even said he would allow employees to commute by bici-taxi or
> via roller skates.
>
> "Motorcycles will not be acceptable, however," he said.
Might decommission some for life. Sort of natural selection :)
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 16:06:05
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday
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nash wrote:
>
> Might decommission some for life. Sort of natural selection :)
This is a good idea but we'll never see it in america. Our officials
take the view sacrifices are for the little people, not elitists like
themselves.
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 20:21:07
From: Hypocrisy Alert
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk
Drivers are MURDERERS said in rec.autos.driving:
> nash wrote:
>
> >
> > Might decommission some for life. Sort of natural selection :)
>
>
> This is a good idea but we'll never see it in america. Our officials
> take the view sacrifices are for the little people, not elitists like
> themselves.
Just like you think that sacrifices are for everyone else and not for
elitists like yourself.
--HA
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 06:09:56
From: Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday
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Hypocrisy Alert wrote:
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk
> Drivers are MURDERERS said in rec.autos.driving:
>> nash wrote:
>>
>>> Might decommission some for life. Sort of natural selection :)
>>
>> This is a good idea but we'll never see it in america. Our officials
>> take the view sacrifices are for the little people, not elitists like
>> themselves.
>
> Just like you think that sacrifices are for everyone else and not for
> elitists like yourself.
>
> --HA
I make lotsa sacrifices. I only drive around 4000 mals a year and i
keep a car for a long time. This one has almost 200,000 on it.
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 16:49:47
From: jk
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:09:56 GMT, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are
MURDERERS <xeton2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
>I make lotsa sacrifices. I only drive around 4000 mals a year and i
>keep a car for a long time. This one has almost 200,000 on it.
You certainly do keep a car for a long time. You had "This one" for 50
years (50 x 4000 = 200,000).
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 11:53:18
From: Mike T.
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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>> Ebrard said a primary goal is to demonstrate the viability of bicycles as
>> a means of transportation in the city. He also said the city will soon
>> build a bike station on the Eje Central specifically for city employees.
>>
>> The mayor even said he would allow employees to commute by bici-taxi or
>> via roller skates.
>>
>> "Motorcycles will not be acceptable, however," he said.
Why the fuck not? Do these yahoos know what motorcycles ARE??? Hint to
clueless: motorcycles used to be pedal powered. Seems silly to mandate
bicycles be used and then outlaw powered bicycles. -Dave
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 06:30:35
From: Mark Hickey
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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"Mike T." <noway@nohow.not > wrote:
>Hint to clueless: motorcycles used to be pedal powered.
Makes you wonder why they put the word "motor" in the term then, huh?
;-)
Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 16:04:32
From: nash
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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"Mike T." <noway@nohow.not > wrote in message
news:461126ef$0$97277$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>> Ebrard said a primary goal is to demonstrate the viability of bicycles
>>> as a means of transportation in the city. He also said the city will
>>> soon build a bike station on the Eje Central specifically for city
>>> employees.
>>>
>>> The mayor even said he would allow employees to commute by bici-taxi or
>>> via roller skates.
>>>
>>> "Motorcycles will not be acceptable, however," he said.
>
> Why the fuck not? Do these yahoos know what motorcycles ARE??? Hint to
> clueless: motorcycles used to be pedal powered. Seems silly to mandate
> bicycles be used and then outlaw powered bicycles. -Dave
They are polluters Dave. try to keep a focus
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 14:01:55
From: Mike T.
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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>>>> "Motorcycles will not be acceptable, however," he said.
>>
>> Why the fuck not? Do these yahoos know what motorcycles ARE??? Hint to
>> clueless: motorcycles used to be pedal powered. Seems silly to mandate
>> bicycles be used and then outlaw powered bicycles. -Dave
> They are polluters Dave. try to keep a focus
I am keeping a focus. Encouraging motorcycle use is a good strategy if the
stated goal is reducing pollution. ESPECIALLY outside the U.S. In the
U.S., HUGE motorcycle engines of ~500cc or larger are considered by most
U.S. motorcycle riders to be "comically puny". Yet even in the U.S., -most-
motorcycles produce a small fraction of the pollution of a car or
UV. -Dave
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 02:31:01
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday
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Mike T. wrote:
>>>>> "Motorcycles will not be acceptable, however," he said.
>>> Why the fuck not? Do these yahoos know what motorcycles ARE??? Hint to
>>> clueless: motorcycles used to be pedal powered. Seems silly to mandate
>>> bicycles be used and then outlaw powered bicycles. -Dave
>
>> They are polluters Dave. try to keep a focus
>
> I am keeping a focus. Encouraging motorcycle use is a good strategy if the
> stated goal is reducing pollution. ESPECIALLY outside the U.S. In the
> U.S., HUGE motorcycle engines of ~500cc or larger are considered by most
> U.S. motorcycle riders to be "comically puny". Yet even in the U.S., -most-
> motorcycles produce a small fraction of the pollution of a car or
> UV. -Dave
On the other hand, most small motorcycles and motor-powered bikes
produce more pollution than US cars (per mile, at least). The reason
for this is that most motorcycles have little to no pollution control,
although US-sold motorcycles do. Many motor-assisted bikes use
two-cycle engines, which are filthy.
All those Vespas you are suggesting people switch to in Mexico City are
worse than US cars per mile driven.
--
David L. Johnson
Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig...
You soon find out the pig likes it!
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 07:59:40
From: Mike T.
Subject: Re: Mexico City orders officials to ride bike to work first monday of each month
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> On the other hand, most small motorcycles and motor-powered bikes produce
> more pollution than US cars (per mile, at least). The reason for this is
> that most motorcycles have little to no pollution control, although
> US-sold motorcycles do.
That's too bad. I guess the U.S. has money to blow, so can afford decent
motorcycles. That makes sense. I know my bike (which I bought in the U.S.)
is relatively "cheap", and yet has all the emissions gizmos of my wife's new
car, and then some. But I can imagine that to people outside the U.S.,
spending ~$7000 U.S. on a motorcycle might seem like an outrageous luxury
purchase.
There's another angle you haven't considered though. How much pollution
does a car/suv generate per-mile, while IDLING, stopped in traffic? Now
imagine if even 30% of commuters in Mexico City switched to motorcycles.
Would the old-technology based bikes pollute more? Yes. But I suspect the
lack of traffic jams would reduce pollution enough to more than make up for
the little extra pollution that the bikes are spewing. -Dave
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