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Date: 26 Dec 2006 10:10:30
From: Prisoner at War
Subject: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Okay, so I've been putting through my HP Velo SMGTe through all kinds
of conditions around town for almost a year now. After all the
potholes, rain, mud, grit, heat and cold I finally managed to really
fuck it up Sunday. A chainring got bent slightly, and eventually the
chain itself broke and messed up some drivetrain components in the
process!
I only wonder how folks manage to take this model 'bent on them Third
World tours if I'm having issues with it from simply riding around
town! From the beginning the rear air shock suddenly stopped working.
In another two weeks I managed to shred the top teflon tube somehow.
Then the front disc brake rotor became permanently warped. Then the
back ones. Did I mention the rear mudguard cracking in two? Sunday,
about the whole drivetrain came undone: broken chain, a bent chainring,
the idler spring clamp kaputt. Interestingly, the Thracian wheelset
has held up just fine, AFAIK.
Good God, but this is starting to be like dealing with your PC: "now
what???" comes to mind more and more. And this seems to me
recumbency's fatal flaw preventing it from wider adoptation: it's too
fucking complicated! And I can't believe how many of the nuts and
bolts on my SMGTe do not seem to be off-the-shelf stuff you can get at
a hardware store. Also, there should be a re-assembly instruction
sheet for owners included with the bikes, since not all LBSes know or
care about servicing 'bents.
Recumbents are fun when they work, but mine is finally going to make a
grease-monkey out of me! The HP Velo SMGTe is still the most
comfortable 'bent around, but it requires a lot of attention, not like
my other bikes which I just ride and take to the shop maybe once or
twice a year. So far, I think I've spent $250 getting my 'bent
serviced and refitted in one way or another. JFC!!
I've now almost completely disassembled my 'bent, so as to clean out
all the grit and grime and reinstall the chain, etc. Damn, this is
going to be some education in bike mechanics! I'm really learning the
hard way...on my own. I'm kind of looking forward to it, out of
curiosity. Just wish I had the space to lay things down properly and
leave them around.
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 14:01:59
From: Prisoner at War
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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trailblazer021@verzion.net wrote:
> I don't care what you ride . If you don't take care of it .they all go to
> Sh#t .Learn to fix it take better care of it .A buddies of mine use to
> complain about his Mt bike but never worked on it to keep it in shape it
> really doesn't take that much.Once he started to clean it and adjust thing
> as they were being use he had better luck when he went out riding . He could
> go for a ride and things didn't break or come out of adj.
> I think this is what the he was looking for .
> Don't wait till it breaks . Ride it and pay a little attion to what's going
> on and you can tell when thing are coming loose or need adjusted.Really??
> I own 3 bikes and keep them in shape the last thing they do is let be down
> on a ride unless I crash and bend some thing .
> Don't get me wrong if you bought a cheep bike??? You get what you pay for
> !!!
> A cheap bike wont get you the mileage of a good bike?!?!
> MY 2 CENTS>
>
> --
> J/O TrailBlazer At Large!!
Nah, like I said in my other post, my $200 cheapie MTB by Diamondback
is 15 yrs. old and rides fine still, but this $3,500 SWB got a bent
chainring from a simple bump with a car! The car's paint isn't even
scratched, but the paint on the chainring has come off!
It's a TruVativ chainring, what Hostel Shoppe sells for their "Ultimate
SMGTe"...I can't believe a little tap has thrown a few teeth crooked!
I've taken harder hits from cars on my own body without drawing blood
(used to be an NYC messenger for all of half a summer), but a simple
bump leaves the car's finish perfectly fine while my chainring is bent.
Sheesh!
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Date: 19 Jan 2007 20:18:07
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Prisoner at War wrote:
> It's a TruVativ chainring, what Hostel Shoppe sells for their "Ultimate
> SMGTe"
So you've specifically paid for minimum weight. That doesn't make
things stronger! your $200 MTB will be a never mind the weight and
make it rugged affair. If you want the same degree of robustness
you need to specify that, *not* minimum weight.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 13:56:50
From: Prisoner at War
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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boo@fractalfreak.com wrote:
>
>
> Gremlins. You've got gremlins on your shit.
>
> Something about bents attracts them. Good luck.
I seriously wonder. Sometimes I wonder if 'bents aren't made as
carefully...even though, with such low sales volume, each one is
practically custom-built!
I swear, I still have the fifteen year-old Diamondback cheapie $200 MTB
I bought, the one where I had two major accidents and a few minor ones
(major ones including flying over my handlebars and a destroyed front
wheel) and the shit rides fine. Fucking $3,500 SMGTe hits a fucking
car (that's what'd had happened, hidden driveway on an uphill!) and the
car is fine but the big chainring is bent!
Just a little, but enough to impair operations. Continued cycling is
what caused the chain itself to break and a thingamajig spring in the
back to go boing! and hors de combat.
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Date: 19 Jan 2007 20:15:12
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Prisoner at War wrote:
>
> I seriously wonder. Sometimes I wonder if 'bents aren't made as
> carefully...even though, with such low sales volume, each one is
> practically custom-built!
As you've said yourself, there are no problems with the frame. The
chainwheel is not HP Velotechnik specific, or even recumbent
specific: it's a standard chainwheel bought off the same shelves
everyone else has access to, so the extent to which it's a problem
because it's a recumbent is it's in a slightly more vulnerable spot
if you crsh into things. Moral #1, try not to crash into things,
moral #2, though that's a downside on the 'bent you're far less
likely to waste your forks and front wheel crashing into things
than you are on a wedgie... you choose, you lose.
> Just a little, but enough to impair operations. Continued cycling is
> what caused the chain itself to break
Again, same chains as on wedgies. 2.4 chains, admittedly, but that
doesn't cause any immediate problems of itself and because the
chain is much better protected from goop there's less cleaning and
lubing to do. But it still needs to be done, or just like any
chain on any bike it might well break. Chains that aren't looked
after won't necessarily go, but they might. OTOH, chains that are
looked after have a vanishingly small failure rate IME, and that's
true on a 'bent or an upright.
Your complaint about all the different screw to hold things on...
those things are, rack and seat excpeted, standard items from the
standard any-bike parts available. It's silly to complain about
differences being down to the bike being recumbent, they apply to
anything.
Which takes us back to Gremlins.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 19 Jan 2007 15:55:10
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:15:12 +0000, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote:
> The
>chainwheel is not HP Velotechnik specific, or even recumbent
>specific: it's a standard chainwheel bought off the same shelves
>everyone else has access to, so the extent to which it's a problem
>because it's a recumbent is it's in a slightly more vulnerable spot
>if you crsh into things.
It is a bit easier to create chain slack on many recumbents and if you
combine that with hard stop-start in your spin, you can do damage.
I've seen a few MTBs that have had the same thing happen. You have to
work harder to do it on a well-adjusted, indexed diamond frame, and
their simpler drive trains usually bend or blow out the rear
derailleur as the point of failure when it does happen. Recumbents
have a better chance of taking that force out on the chain ring.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 19 Jan 2007 21:33:58
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> It is a bit easier to create chain slack on many recumbents and if you
> combine that with hard stop-start in your spin, you can do damage.
Maybe... though in this case he admits he crashed into something!
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 08:28:39
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:33:58 +0000, Peter Clinch
<p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote:
>Curtis L. Russell wrote:
>
>> It is a bit easier to create chain slack on many recumbents and if you
>> combine that with hard stop-start in your spin, you can do damage.
>
>Maybe... though in this case he admits he crashed into something!
>
>Pete.
Agreed, but I've jammed a chain doing a stutter step in my spin while
avoiding an accident. All you have to do is freeze a moment and then
try to muscle your way out of the situation. Same thing can lead to
bent teeth.
Just a possibility.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 18 Jan 2007 07:12:37
From: Buck
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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On 01/17/2007 21:56:50 "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com > wrote:
> boo@fractalfreak.com wrote:
>> Gremlins. You've got gremlins on your shit.
>> Something about bents attracts them. Good luck.
> I seriously wonder. Sometimes I wonder if 'bents aren't made as
> carefully...even though, with such low sales volume, each one is
> practically custom-built!
> I swear, I still have the fifteen year-old Diamondback cheapie $200 MTB I
> bought, the one where I had two major accidents and a few minor ones
> (major ones including flying over my handlebars and a destroyed front
> wheel) and the shit rides fine. Fucking $3,500 SMGTe hits a fucking car
> (that's what'd had happened, hidden driveway on an uphill!) and the car is
> fine but the big chainring is bent!
> Just a little, but enough to impair operations. Continued cycling is what
> caused the chain itself to break and a thingamajig spring in the back to
> go boing! and hors de combat.
Bents are subject to the same rules as other cycles, they need to be assembled correctly, often the assembly can be more complex plus they
often require more maitainance.
--
Buck
Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.
http://www.catrike.co.uk
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 06:40:41
From: The Historian
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> I think only George W. Bush has ever ridden a bike.
There's a photo on the Internet of Nixon on a bike. It's mentioned in
at least one cycling book I have.
See what I mean about
> Tom Keats being stupid!
No, I don't. Or at least not Mr. Keats.
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Date: 30 Dec 2006 14:45:55
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"The Historian" <Spamscone@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1167403241.522346.109380@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> I think only George W. Bush has ever ridden a bike.
>
> There's a photo on the Internet of Nixon on a bike. It's mentioned in
> at least one cycling book I have.
Oh, for Christ's sakes, everyone knows that Nixon was no cyclist or much of
any sportsman whatever. He was a very great President, but that is about all
he ever was.
George W. Bush is the only President that I know of who ever really got into
cycling, even though I think it was only mountain biking (but I am not sure
about this).
> See what I mean about
>> Tom Keats being stupid!
>
> No, I don't. Or at least not Mr. Keats.
Mr. Keats is Tom Keats and is certainly no Mister. That would imply that he
is a gentleman - and I have NEVER seen a gentlemanly post from him. He is a
working slob (a longshoreman on the docks of soggy old Vancouver) who thinks
he is an intellectual, but I am here to prove him wrong about that each and
every time he posts his inanities to these newsgroups.
Tom Keats is the most arrogant creature I have ever yet encountered on these
newsgroups. He needs to model himself after ME and become more humble. I am
a paragon of virtue and humility and I urge all the rest of you cretins to
emulate ME!
Moreover, he needs to confine his political reks to Canada and Canadians.
We Americans do not need his asshole comments about us, let alone our
Presidents. Surely there are enough stupid things he can say about his own
Prime Ministers and about Canadians. To never be critical of your own ks
you as an insecure jerk. I would like to hear from Tom Keats just once on
how Canadians are just as wretched as all the rest of us.
Canada is a great country (geographically), but a poor nation because of
liberal freaks like Tom Keats.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 30 Dec 2006 22:16:32
From: - Bob -
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:45:55 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>Oh, for Christ's sakes, everyone knows that Nixon was no cyclist or much of
>any sportsman whatever. He was a very great President, but that is about all
>he ever was.
Greatest crooked President maybe. Should have put his criminal butt in
jail as a warning to future Presidents to clean up their acts. Too bad
Gerry let him off- we've suffered for it since.
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Date: 30 Dec 2006 17:10:16
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"- Bob -" <uctraing@ultranet.com > wrote in message
news:23pdp255pss9nupabkkfuaq640rrvkll82@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 14:45:55 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Oh, for Christ's sakes, everyone knows that Nixon was no cyclist or much
>>of
>>any sportsman whatever. He was a very great President, but that is about
>>all
>>he ever was.
>
> Greatest crooked President maybe. Should have put his criminal butt in
> jail as a warning to future Presidents to clean up their acts. Too bad
> Gerry let him off- we've suffered for it since.
Nixon should never have resigned. He should have fought the impeachment
tooth and nail, just like Clinton did his impeachment.
Nixon was born to be President. He was Great in every sense of the word. His
so-called crookedness was just boys will be boys, all part and parcel of the
political shenanigans which we expect of our political leaders. Unlike Teddy
Kennedy, Nixon did not kill (murder) anyone personally and unlike Clinton he
was not a depraved sexual sot.
On the other hand, Ford was in way over his head from the get-go. He was a
numskull President. The one and only good thing he did was to pardon Nixon
(for nothing in my opinion). Only Carter was a worse President. It was
really Reagan which saved us from our own idiocies. But I suspect, like all
liberal scum, that you did not like Reagan either. So choke on your g.d.
Carter and your g.d. Clinton, two Democratic Presidents who never had a clue
about anything.
What is presently happening in Iraq between the Shia and the Sunnis I can
easily see happening here in America between liberals and conservatives. I
for one would not mind in the least killing (murdering) liberals. It would
be my good deed for the day.
I absolutely loath Nixon haters almost as much as I loath Bush haters. Hey,
just plain 'Bob,' please go fuck yourself and never post to these newsgroups
ever again. We do not care about your freaking Woodstock values nor your
freaking petty hatreds. God damn liberals, sons of bitches, blackguards,
treasonous bastards, kill the fuckers ...
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 31 Dec 2006 22:58:29
From: Ted Bennett
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> Nixon should never have resigned. He should have fought the impeachment
> tooth and nail, just like Clinton did his impeachment.
>
> Nixon was born to be President. He was Great in every sense of the word. His
> so-called crookedness was just boys will be boys, all part and parcel of the
> political shenanigans which we expect of our political leaders. Unlike Teddy
> Kennedy, Nixon did not kill (murder) anyone personally and unlike Clinton he
> was not a depraved sexual sot.
>
> On the other hand, Ford was in way over his head from the get-go. He was a
> numskull President. The one and only good thing he did was to pardon Nixon
> (for nothing in my opinion). Only Carter was a worse President. It was
> really Reagan which saved us from our own idiocies. But I suspect, like all
> liberal scum, that you did not like Reagan either. So choke on your g.d.
> Carter and your g.d. Clinton, two Democratic Presidents who never had a clue
> about anything.
>
> What is presently happening in Iraq between the Shia and the Sunnis I can
> easily see happening here in America between liberals and conservatives. I
> for one would not mind in the least killing (murdering) liberals. It would
> be my good deed for the day.
>
> I absolutely loath Nixon haters almost as much as I loath Bush haters. Hey,
> just plain 'Bob,' please go fuck yourself and never post to these newsgroups
> ever again. We do not care about your freaking Woodstock values nor your
> freaking petty hatreds. God damn liberals, sons of bitches, blackguards,
> treasonous bastards, kill the fuckers ...
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Dear Ed:
You mispelled "numbskull"
Ted
--
Ted Bennett
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Date: 31 Dec 2006 17:42:59
From: dlhii
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Ted Bennett <tedbennett@earthlink.net > wrote:
>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> Nixon should never have resigned. He should have fought the impeachment
>> tooth and nail, just like Clinton did his impeachment.
>>
>> Nixon was born to be President. He was Great in every sense of the word. His
>> so-called crookedness was just boys will be boys, all part and parcel of the
>> political shenanigans which we expect of our political leaders. Unlike Teddy
>> Kennedy, Nixon did not kill (murder) anyone personally and unlike Clinton he
>> was not a depraved sexual sot.
>>
>> On the other hand, Ford was in way over his head from the get-go. He was a
>> numskull President. The one and only good thing he did was to pardon Nixon
>> (for nothing in my opinion). Only Carter was a worse President. It was
>> really Reagan which saved us from our own idiocies. But I suspect, like all
>> liberal scum, that you did not like Reagan either. So choke on your g.d.
>> Carter and your g.d. Clinton, two Democratic Presidents who never had a clue
>> about anything.
>>
>> What is presently happening in Iraq between the Shia and the Sunnis I can
>> easily see happening here in America between liberals and conservatives. I
>> for one would not mind in the least killing (murdering) liberals. It would
>> be my good deed for the day.
>>
>> I absolutely loath Nixon haters almost as much as I loath Bush haters. Hey,
>> just plain 'Bob,' please go fuck yourself and never post to these newsgroups
>> ever again. We do not care about your freaking Woodstock values nor your
>> freaking petty hatreds. God damn liberals, sons of bitches, blackguards,
>> treasonous bastards, kill the fuckers ...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>Dear Ed:
>
>You mispelled "numbskull"
>
>Ted
Dear Ed:
You misspelled "Shi'ite"
Don
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 02:05:09
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"dlhii" <dlhii@fake.net > wrote in message
news:dmigp2h5nsl2qj3e1oco241v0k26220405@4ax.com...
> Ted Bennett <tedbennett@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Nixon should never have resigned. He should have fought the impeachment
>>> tooth and nail, just like Clinton did his impeachment.
>>>
>>> Nixon was born to be President. He was Great in every sense of the word.
>>> His
>>> so-called crookedness was just boys will be boys, all part and parcel of
>>> the
>>> political shenanigans which we expect of our political leaders. Unlike
>>> Teddy
>>> Kennedy, Nixon did not kill (murder) anyone personally and unlike
>>> Clinton he
>>> was not a depraved sexual sot.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Ford was in way over his head from the get-go. He was
>>> a
>>> numskull President. The one and only good thing he did was to pardon
>>> Nixon
>>> (for nothing in my opinion). Only Carter was a worse President. It was
>>> really Reagan which saved us from our own idiocies. But I suspect, like
>>> all
>>> liberal scum, that you did not like Reagan either. So choke on your g.d.
>>> Carter and your g.d. Clinton, two Democratic Presidents who never had a
>>> clue
>>> about anything.
>>>
>>> What is presently happening in Iraq between the Shia and the Sunnis I
>>> can
>>> easily see happening here in America between liberals and conservatives.
>>> I
>>> for one would not mind in the least killing (murdering) liberals. It
>>> would
>>> be my good deed for the day.
>>>
>>> I absolutely loath Nixon haters almost as much as I loath Bush haters.
>>> Hey,
>>> just plain 'Bob,' please go fuck yourself and never post to these
>>> newsgroups
>>> ever again. We do not care about your freaking Woodstock values nor your
>>> freaking petty hatreds. God damn liberals, sons of bitches, blackguards,
>>> treasonous bastards, kill the fuckers ...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>>Dear Ed:
>>
>>You mispelled "numbskull"
>>
>>Ted
And you misspelled "mispelled." However, my mistake is more understandable
than yours since liberal numskulls are numb in every sense of the word.
> Dear Ed:
>
> You misspelled "Shi'ite"
>
> Don
Nonsense, I anglicize Arabic words as I do all foreign words. Let the rest
of the world learn to speak and write English since it is such a superior
language and is the language of the world's only remaining super power.
Furthermore, Arabic words are notorious for having many spellings in
English, usually none of them being strictly correct. Where the hell is
Lawrence of Arabia when he is needed!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 00:26:34
From: G.T.
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> Nonsense, I anglicize Arabic words as I do all foreign words. Let the rest
> of the world learn to speak and write English since it is such a superior
> language and is the language of the world's only remaining super power.
Hmmm, wouldn't that be Mandarin rather than English, then?
Greg
--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 03:41:06
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com > wrote in message
news:12pmq5qhhaqpae5@corp.supernews.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>> Nonsense, I anglicize Arabic words as I do all foreign words. Let the
>> rest of the world learn to speak and write English since it is such a
>> superior language and is the language of the world's only remaining super
>> power.
>
> Hmmm, wouldn't that be Mandarin rather than English, then?
>
> Greg
China, like India, has so many internal problems that it will never be a
great power. It is a flash in the pan and will no doubt soon have an
earthquake or flood that will kill millions. That is what the Chinese and
the Indians have always done best - die by the millions!
By the way, it was mainly the Chinese written script which kept them so
ignorant and backward for so long. It took a lifetime to learn how to read
and write it. Only an elite could ever be bothered with such a stupid
written language. But I think the spoken language is just as stupid - as is
their music. Thank God I was not born a Chinaman!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 08:59:19
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Prisoner at War wrote:
> I only wonder how folks manage to take this model 'bent on them Third
> World tours if I'm having issues with it from simply riding around
> town! From the beginning the rear air shock suddenly stopped working.
> In another two weeks I managed to shred the top teflon tube somehow.
> Then the front disc brake rotor became permanently warped. Then the
> back ones. Did I mention the rear mudguard cracking in two? Sunday,
> about the whole drivetrain came undone: broken chain, a bent chainring,
> the idler spring clamp kaputt. Interestingly, the Thracian wheelset
> has held up just fine, AFAIK.
I can't see any way to bend a chainwheel without a really good quality
crash. You're cursed would appear to be your problem.
> Good God, but this is starting to be like dealing with your PC: "now
> what???" comes to mind more and more. And this seems to me
> recumbency's fatal flaw preventing it from wider adoptation: it's too
> fucking complicated!
No, the problem isn't complication, it's your personal curse. Repair
work I have done to my similar bike in 5 years is... a couple of flats,
a minor fettle of spoke tension and, errrrr, that's it. That includes
plenty of off-road and fully loaded touring.
> And I can't believe how many of the nuts and
> bolts on my SMGTe do not seem to be off-the-shelf stuff you can get at
> a hardware store. Also, there should be a re-assembly instruction
> sheet for owners included with the bikes, since not all LBSes know or
> care about servicing 'bents.
I've yet to see anything on the bike that's so non-standard a decent
bike shop with basic mechanical competence can't work with it. Perhaps
your personal curse extends to your choice of bike shop too? I took
mine along to some bike maintenance classes and there wasn't anything in
general running we couldn't deal with using standard tools. The only
obvious changes between the original GT and e mechanically are a
different idler wheel and the seat, neither of which are exactly rocket
science.
> Recumbents are fun when they work, but mine is finally going to make a
> grease-monkey out of me! The HP Velo SMGTe is still the most
> comfortable 'bent around
You have no way of knowing that even for yourself: different people find
different things comfortable and you have ridden roughly 0 other
machines to compare to AFAICT.
> but it requires a lot of attention,
Only if you've got a personal curse. It does happen.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 28 Dec 2006 23:32:24
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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In article <sPadnZKw1rWWKQnYnZ2dnUVZ_rKvnZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > writes:
....
[his usual, typical, nonconsequential razmatazz tripe]
> "Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-FB12A8.08195727122006@news.iphouse.com...
>> Or you can skip the getting feeble part. A good exercise program can
>> prevent many of the losses stereotypically associated with aging.
>> Older people derive the same benefits from aerobic and resistance
>> training as young people, and in addition derive improved vigor and
>> mental capacity. The risk of dementia, falls, injuries due to falls,
>> and of nursing home placement is reduced by regular exercise.
Looks like you struck a nerve by mentioning dementia.
Maybe that's a contributing factor in old, grumpy pudges deciding
to ride -- nay, /purchase/! recumbents (pedal-powered wheelchairs.)
I suppose they need hirelings following them around, to assist them
to pluck their lard-butts from their comfy plushy Laz-e-Boys when
they deign to park their rides.
Y'know what? I think JFK would have ridden a Peugot (or Mercier)
10-speed ('cuz that was pretty much all that was available in
his time.) Maybe he'd have been a tandem guy. Eisenhower rode
whatever it was that he rode. But at least he rode. Johnson
would have thought about bicycles as a Communist plot, as he
forked potatoes off of other people's plates or picked doggies
up by their ears. Nixon would have changed the subject if he
was asked if he ever rode a bike. Gerald Ford ... ? I liked him.
He had a way of making nothing happen, which is often a good thing.
Carter would be concerned about climate change. Ray-Gun might have
been dismayed by the current progressiveness in Bogota, and tried
to invade it to set their minds right. George Bush Sr. had a
fairly good handle on domestic policy; Clinton had a pretty good
handle on international policy. I can't see either of them giving
serious consideration to cycling.
cheersies,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 02:03:37
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:8ag2ne.eb5.ln@bud.garden.local...
> In article <sPadnZKw1rWWKQnYnZ2dnUVZ_rKvnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
> ....
> [his usual, typical, nonconsequential razmatazz tripe]
>
>> "Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
>> news:timmcn-FB12A8.08195727122006@news.iphouse.com...
>
>>> Or you can skip the getting feeble part. A good exercise program can
>>> prevent many of the losses stereotypically associated with aging.
>>> Older people derive the same benefits from aerobic and resistance
>>> training as young people, and in addition derive improved vigor and
>>> mental capacity. The risk of dementia, falls, injuries due to falls,
>>> and of nursing home placement is reduced by regular exercise.
>
> Looks like you struck a nerve by mentioning dementia.
>
> Maybe that's a contributing factor in old, grumpy pudges deciding
> to ride -- nay, /purchase/! recumbents (pedal-powered wheelchairs.)
Tom Keats has a strong back no doubt, laboring as he does as a longshoreman
on the Vancouver docks. Now he needs to work badly on developing a mind to
go with his strong back but I fear this may be beyond him.
> I suppose they need hirelings following them around, to assist them
> to pluck their lard-butts from their comfy plushy Laz-e-Boys when
> they deign to park their rides.
If I were as stupid as Tom Keats, I would be jealous of everyone who was
sted than me too even though it included the whole of mankind.
> Y'know what? I think JFK would have ridden a Peugot (or Mercier)
> 10-speed ('cuz that was pretty much all that was available in
> his time.) Maybe he'd have been a tandem guy. Eisenhower rode
> whatever it was that he rode. But at least he rode. Johnson
> would have thought about bicycles as a Communist plot, as he
> forked potatoes off of other people's plates or picked doggies
> up by their ears. Nixon would have changed the subject if he
> was asked if he ever rode a bike. Gerald Ford ... ? I liked him.
> He had a way of making nothing happen, which is often a good thing.
> Carter would be concerned about climate change. Ray-Gun might have
> been dismayed by the current progressiveness in Bogota, and tried
> to invade it to set their minds right. George Bush Sr. had a
> fairly good handle on domestic policy; Clinton had a pretty good
> handle on international policy. I can't see either of them giving
> serious consideration to cycling.
I think only George W. Bush has ever ridden a bike. See what I mean about
Tom Keats being stupid! But I have never yet known a Canadian on these
newsgroups who was anything but stupid. It must be a national condition
related to the Great White North.
But Tom Keats should talk more about his own political leaders and less
about American political leaders or does not Canada have any political
leaders worth talking about? Quick now - who is the freaking prime minister
of Canada? Just as I thought. Nobody knows - or cares!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 28 Dec 2006 19:19:05
From:
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking mad
> I could kill myself for being so stupid ....
Damn, we were this close. (He says holding his finger and thumb only a
mm. apart.)
Ken
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 00:45:08
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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<threeriversguy_2000@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1167362345.503827.139210@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>> mad
>> I could kill myself for being so stupid ....
>
> Damn, we were this close. (He says holding his finger and thumb only a
> mm. apart.)
>
> Ken
I throw in lines like the above in order to give types like Ken something to
say.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 21:48:34
From:
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Prisoner at War wrote:
> Okay, so I've been putting through my HP Velo SMGTe through all kinds
> of conditions around town for almost a year now. After all the
> potholes, rain, mud, grit, heat and cold I finally managed to really
> fuck it up Sunday. A chainring got bent slightly, and eventually the
> chain itself broke and messed up some drivetrain components in the
> process!
>
> I only wonder how folks manage to take this model 'bent on them Third
> World tours if I'm having issues with it from simply riding around
> town! From the beginning the rear air shock suddenly stopped working.
> In another two weeks I managed to shred the top teflon tube somehow.
> Then the front disc brake rotor became permanently warped. Then the
> back ones. Did I mention the rear mudguard cracking in two? Sunday,
> about the whole drivetrain came undone: broken chain, a bent chainring,
> the idler spring clamp kaputt. Interestingly, the Thracian wheelset
> has held up just fine, AFAIK.
>
Gremlins. You've got gremlins on your shit.
Something about bents attracts them. Good luck.
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Date: 28 Dec 2006 06:15:45
From:
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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I don't care what you ride . If you don't take care of it .they all go to
Sh#t .Learn to fix it take better care of it .A buddies of mine use to
complain about his Mt bike but never worked on it to keep it in shape it
really doesn't take that much.Once he started to clean it and adjust thing
as they were being use he had better luck when he went out riding . He could
go for a ride and things didn't break or come out of adj.
I think this is what the he was looking for .
Don't wait till it breaks . Ride it and pay a little attion to what's going
on and you can tell when thing are coming loose or need adjusted.Really??
I own 3 bikes and keep them in shape the last thing they do is let be down
on a ride unless I crash and bend some thing .
Don't get me wrong if you bought a cheep bike??? You get what you pay for
!!!
A cheap bike wont get you the mileage of a good bike?!?!
MY 2 CENTS >
--
J/O TrailBlazer At Large!!
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 10:05:22
From: Prisoner at War
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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bigjim@backpacker.com wrote:
> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
> shouler wrist pain start!!
I can ride my uprights all day continously and be comfortable.
The problem is that within two weeks my back will be aching like crazy.
And I am likely one of the few young 'bent-riders around at age 34.
I never had a problem with my wrists or shoulders from upright biking,
though. I do change hand positions for comfort, but no regular problem
has ever developed. It's only my back that's really affected. I agree
that frame geometry and a proper saddle do a lot for comfort on an
upright, and I don't blame bike-riding per se for my bad back -- it
kind of started in childhood and was really messed up in the Army but
upright bikes and even jogging exacerbates it.
My sports doc recommended a 'bent, and that was my excuse to splurge
thousands.
It's been great fun, but getting annoying now with all the break-downs.
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Date: 28 Dec 2006 03:52:48
From: Jim Behning
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Prisoner at War wrote:
> bigjim@backpacker.com wrote:
>> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
>> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
>> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
>> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
>> shouler wrist pain start!!
>
>
>
> I can ride my uprights all day continously and be comfortable.
>
> The problem is that within two weeks my back will be aching like crazy.
> And I am likely one of the few young 'bent-riders around at age 34.
>
> I never had a problem with my wrists or shoulders from upright biking,
> though. I do change hand positions for comfort, but no regular problem
> has ever developed. It's only my back that's really affected. I agree
> that frame geometry and a proper saddle do a lot for comfort on an
> upright, and I don't blame bike-riding per se for my bad back -- it
> kind of started in childhood and was really messed up in the Army but
> upright bikes and even jogging exacerbates it.
>
> My sports doc recommended a 'bent, and that was my excuse to splurge
> thousands.
>
> It's been great fun, but getting annoying now with all the break-downs.
>
I do better with the sore back issues if I keep up with core muscle
training. I got a pretty sore back on an 8 hour mountain bike ride/race
but part of that is a way to tight left quad. I need to stretch that
muscle more. Massage therapists have said I have tight hamstrings. I
need to a lot more stretching I guess.
My cross bike is more comfortable than my road bike. I need to get a
shorter stem and maybe raise the stem a bit on the road bike. Little
things can make big differences.
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 00:43:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Jim Behning" <jimbehning@doesthisstoppork.mindspring.com > wrote in message
news:kcHkh.4452$yx6.577@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Prisoner at War wrote:
>> bigjim@backpacker.com wrote:
>>> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
>>> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
>>> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
>>> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
>>> shouler wrist pain start!!
>>
>>
>>
>> I can ride my uprights all day continously and be comfortable.
>>
>> The problem is that within two weeks my back will be aching like crazy.
>> And I am likely one of the few young 'bent-riders around at age 34.
>>
>> I never had a problem with my wrists or shoulders from upright biking,
>> though. I do change hand positions for comfort, but no regular problem
>> has ever developed. It's only my back that's really affected. I agree
>> that frame geometry and a proper saddle do a lot for comfort on an
>> upright, and I don't blame bike-riding per se for my bad back -- it
>> kind of started in childhood and was really messed up in the Army but
>> upright bikes and even jogging exacerbates it.
>>
>> My sports doc recommended a 'bent, and that was my excuse to splurge
>> thousands.
>>
>> It's been great fun, but getting annoying now with all the break-downs.
>>
> I do better with the sore back issues if I keep up with core muscle
> training. I got a pretty sore back on an 8 hour mountain bike ride/race
> but part of that is a way to tight left quad. I need to stretch that
> muscle more. Massage therapists have said I have tight hamstrings. I need
> to a lot more stretching I guess.
Jim proves my point about uprights being essentially uncomfortable unless
you are in tip top shape. I refuse to do any kind of training just so I can
ride a bike. Perish the thought! I ride a bike strictly for the fun of it
and if I have to train in order to do it, then it is no longer any fun.
Back problems especially won't go away unless you do some kind of
strengthening exercise to get those back and abdominal muscles into shape.
Furthermore, the older you get, the more this becomes a losing proposition.
I will not do any kind of training or exercise just so I can ride a bike.
What foolishness!
> My cross bike is more comfortable than my road bike. I need to get a
> shorter stem and maybe raise the stem a bit on the road bike. Little
> things can make big differences.
All you are doing is rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship. Get a
recumbent and forget all this nonsense about trying to be comfortable on an
upright. It ain't ever going to happen.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 31 Dec 2006 02:11:12
From: Jim Behning
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Jim Behning" <jimbehning@doesthisstoppork.mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:kcHkh.4452$yx6.577@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> Prisoner at War wrote:
>>> bigjim@backpacker.com wrote:
>>>> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
>>>> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
>>>> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
>>>> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
>>>> shouler wrist pain start!!
>>>
>>>
>>> I can ride my uprights all day continously and be comfortable.
>>>
>>> The problem is that within two weeks my back will be aching like crazy.
>>> And I am likely one of the few young 'bent-riders around at age 34.
>>>
>>> I never had a problem with my wrists or shoulders from upright biking,
>>> though. I do change hand positions for comfort, but no regular problem
>>> has ever developed. It's only my back that's really affected. I agree
>>> that frame geometry and a proper saddle do a lot for comfort on an
>>> upright, and I don't blame bike-riding per se for my bad back -- it
>>> kind of started in childhood and was really messed up in the Army but
>>> upright bikes and even jogging exacerbates it.
>>>
>>> My sports doc recommended a 'bent, and that was my excuse to splurge
>>> thousands.
>>>
>>> It's been great fun, but getting annoying now with all the break-downs.
>>>
>> I do better with the sore back issues if I keep up with core muscle
>> training. I got a pretty sore back on an 8 hour mountain bike ride/race
>> but part of that is a way to tight left quad. I need to stretch that
>> muscle more. Massage therapists have said I have tight hamstrings. I need
>> to a lot more stretching I guess.
>
> Jim proves my point about uprights being essentially uncomfortable unless
> you are in tip top shape. I refuse to do any kind of training just so I can
> ride a bike. Perish the thought! I ride a bike strictly for the fun of it
> and if I have to train in order to do it, then it is no longer any fun.
>
> Back problems especially won't go away unless you do some kind of
> strengthening exercise to get those back and abdominal muscles into shape.
> Furthermore, the older you get, the more this becomes a losing proposition.
> I will not do any kind of training or exercise just so I can ride a bike.
> What foolishness!
>
> > My cross bike is more comfortable than my road bike. I need to get a
>> shorter stem and maybe raise the stem a bit on the road bike. Little
>> things can make big differences.
>
> All you are doing is rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship. Get a
> recumbent and forget all this nonsense about trying to be comfortable on an
> upright. It ain't ever going to happen.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
In days of old people had to work all day to feed themselves. Since
modern man has chosen to not not work to feed themselves then you have
to do some activities to replace the work activities my grandfather did.
Of course you do not have to do anything. I just believe that doing some
exercises to keep muscles besides my legs is beneficial to me. Core
exercises are not just to help a person ride a bike. They help you stay
healthy in all the activiies you might do. I built a 2700 sf barn
practically by myself. I have a bunch of stumps I need to dig out. I
have a few dug out already. Sit ups, squats, curls and bench presses
help the weekend warier tasks less painful or epic. Of course if you do
nothing but ride a bike then you may never need to be in shape. Of
course then you do not want to have kids you might want to pick up. Or
groceries you might take out of the car. I ride a bike. I race maybe 20
races a year on the mountain bike, the cross bike and maybe even run a
road race. It is real hard to be competitive on a recumbent but if you
don't do those fun races then it does not matter to you. I don't use a
Macintosh either.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 02:20:40
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Jim Behning" <jimbehning@doesthisstoppork.mindspring.com > wrote in message
news:4%Elh.5455$w91.3595@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Jim Behning" <jimbehning@doesthisstoppork.mindspring.com> wrote in
>> message news:kcHkh.4452$yx6.577@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>> Prisoner at War wrote:
>>>> bigjim@backpacker.com wrote:
>>>>> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
>>>>> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
>>>>> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
>>>>> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
>>>>> shouler wrist pain start!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can ride my uprights all day continously and be comfortable.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that within two weeks my back will be aching like crazy.
>>>> And I am likely one of the few young 'bent-riders around at age 34.
>>>>
>>>> I never had a problem with my wrists or shoulders from upright biking,
>>>> though. I do change hand positions for comfort, but no regular problem
>>>> has ever developed. It's only my back that's really affected. I agree
>>>> that frame geometry and a proper saddle do a lot for comfort on an
>>>> upright, and I don't blame bike-riding per se for my bad back -- it
>>>> kind of started in childhood and was really messed up in the Army but
>>>> upright bikes and even jogging exacerbates it.
>>>>
>>>> My sports doc recommended a 'bent, and that was my excuse to splurge
>>>> thousands.
>>>>
>>>> It's been great fun, but getting annoying now with all the break-downs.
>>>>
>>> I do better with the sore back issues if I keep up with core muscle
>>> training. I got a pretty sore back on an 8 hour mountain bike ride/race
>>> but part of that is a way to tight left quad. I need to stretch that
>>> muscle more. Massage therapists have said I have tight hamstrings. I
>>> need to a lot more stretching I guess.
>>
>> Jim proves my point about uprights being essentially uncomfortable unless
>> you are in tip top shape. I refuse to do any kind of training just so I
>> can ride a bike. Perish the thought! I ride a bike strictly for the fun
>> of it and if I have to train in order to do it, then it is no longer any
>> fun.
>>
>> Back problems especially won't go away unless you do some kind of
>> strengthening exercise to get those back and abdominal muscles into
>> shape. Furthermore, the older you get, the more this becomes a losing
>> proposition. I will not do any kind of training or exercise just so I can
>> ride a bike. What foolishness!
>>
>> > My cross bike is more comfortable than my road bike. I need to get a
>>> shorter stem and maybe raise the stem a bit on the road bike. Little
>>> things can make big differences.
>>
>> All you are doing is rearranging the deck chairs on a sinking ship. Get a
>> recumbent and forget all this nonsense about trying to be comfortable on
>> an upright. It ain't ever going to happen.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>>
> In days of old people had to work all day to feed themselves. Since modern
> man has chosen to not not work to feed themselves then you have to do some
> activities to replace the work activities my grandfather did. Of course
> you do not have to do anything. I just believe that doing some exercises
> to keep muscles besides my legs is beneficial to me. Core exercises are
> not just to help a person ride a bike. They help you stay healthy in all
> the activiies you might do. I built a 2700 sf barn practically by myself.
> I have a bunch of stumps I need to dig out. I have a few dug out already.
> Sit ups, squats, curls and bench presses help the weekend warier tasks
> less painful or epic. Of course if you do nothing but ride a bike then you
> may never need to be in shape. Of course then you do not want to have kids
> you might want to pick up. Or groceries you might take out of the car. I
> ride a bike. I race maybe 20 races a year on the mountain bike, the cross
> bike and maybe even run a road race. It is real hard to be competitive on
> a recumbent but if you don't do those fun races then it does not matter to
> you. I don't use a Macintosh either.
I agree with Jim on everything he says above. But I have never been strong
in my life. There are really only a few physical activities I can do with
any degree of comfort. Jim is an iron man, but he has to work at it too just
like any of us would have to.
I think an excellent cross training activity for cyclists is just plain
walking. I like to do lots of that every week. If you combine recumbent
cycling with walking you will not be in such bad shape, but you will still
not be in good enough shape to ride an upright. For that, you have to do
more just like Jim says. It would be a full time occupation for me to get
strong and fit enough to ride an upright in comfort.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 08:59:05
From:
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
shouler wrist pain start!!
Edward Dolan wrote:
> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>
> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we recumbent
> cyclist insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an upright.
>
> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking mad
> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could ever be
> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way to
> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One thing is
> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
>
> > Prisoner at War wrote:
> >> Okay, so I've been putting through my HP Velo SMGTe through all kinds
> >> of conditions around town for almost a year now. After all the
> >> potholes, rain, mud, grit, heat and cold I finally managed to really
> >> fuck it up Sunday. A chainring got bent slightly, and eventually the
> >> chain itself broke and messed up some drivetrain components in the
> >> process!
> >>
> >> I only wonder how folks manage to take this model 'bent on them Third
> >> World tours if I'm having issues with it from simply riding around
> >> town! From the beginning the rear air shock suddenly stopped working.
> >> In another two weeks I managed to shred the top teflon tube somehow.
> >> Then the front disc brake rotor became permanently warped. Then the
> >> back ones. Did I mention the rear mudguard cracking in two? Sunday,
> >> about the whole drivetrain came undone: broken chain, a bent chainring,
> >> the idler spring clamp kaputt. Interestingly, the Thracian wheelset
> >> has held up just fine, AFAIK.
> >>
> >> Good God, but this is starting to be like dealing with your PC: "now
> >> what???" comes to mind more and more. And this seems to me
> >> recumbency's fatal flaw preventing it from wider adoptation: it's too
> >> fucking complicated! And I can't believe how many of the nuts and
> >> bolts on my SMGTe do not seem to be off-the-shelf stuff you can get at
> >> a hardware store. Also, there should be a re-assembly instruction
> >> sheet for owners included with the bikes, since not all LBSes know or
> >> care about servicing 'bents.
> >>
> >> Recumbents are fun when they work, but mine is finally going to make a
> >> grease-monkey out of me! The HP Velo SMGTe is still the most
> >> comfortable 'bent around, but it requires a lot of attention, not like
> >> my other bikes which I just ride and take to the shop maybe once or
> >> twice a year. So far, I think I've spent $250 getting my 'bent
> >> serviced and refitted in one way or another. JFC!!
> >>
> >> I've now almost completely disassembled my 'bent, so as to clean out
> >> all the grit and grime and reinstall the chain, etc. Damn, this is
> >> going to be some education in bike mechanics! I'm really learning the
> >> hard way...on my own. I'm kind of looking forward to it, out of
> >> curiosity. Just wish I had the space to lay things down properly and
> >> leave them around.
> >
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 00:28:35
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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<bigjim@backpacker.com > wrote in message
news:1167238745.392424.193130@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
> shouler wrist pain start!!
4 to 6 hours in one day is not nearly good enough. Can you ride 8 to 10
hours a day for 2 weeks at a time? I thought not! No, if you want to be able
to do that you will have to get a recumbent. There is no other way.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>>
>> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
>> recumbent
>> cyclists insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an
>> upright.
>>
>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>> mad
>> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could ever
>> be
>> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way to
>> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One thing
>> is
>> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
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Date: 31 Dec 2006 02:16:57
From: Jim Behning
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
> news:1167238745.392424.193130@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
>> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
>> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
>> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
>> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
>> shouler wrist pain start!!
>
> 4 to 6 hours in one day is not nearly good enough. Can you ride 8 to 10
> hours a day for 2 weeks at a time? I thought not! No, if you want to be able
> to do that you will have to get a recumbent. There is no other way.
>
The thing is you can ride an upright bike, get your ride done in 4
hours, get your shower, get your lunch and still see the recumbent ride
in hours later. 6 hours on my road bike is 100 miles if I am riding
easy. Yes I have ridden for a week straight 5-8 hours a day. I could
have ridden two weeks but I scheduled a week for vacation. I have no
desire to sit in a chair 8 hours a day on vacation or at work. The body
is not designed to sit for that long.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 02:39:57
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Jim Behning" <jimbehning@doesthisstoppork.mindspring.com > wrote in message
news:t4Flh.5456$w91.1802@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167238745.392424.193130@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>>> If I can ride a bike for 4-6 hours I consider it comfortable. My
>>> Lemond road bike and C;dale cross bike fit that bill fine. I have the
>>> bars only slightly below saddle, a Brooks seat and I;m fine. My MTB's
>>> are torture machines and cannot ride for more than an hour before neck
>>> shouler wrist pain start!!
>>
>> 4 to 6 hours in one day is not nearly good enough. Can you ride 8 to 10
>> hours a day for 2 weeks at a time? I thought not! No, if you want to be
>> able to do that you will have to get a recumbent. There is no other way.
>>
> The thing is you can ride an upright bike, get your ride done in 4 hours,
> get your shower, get your lunch and still see the recumbent ride in hours
> later. 6 hours on my road bike is 100 miles if I am riding easy. Yes I
> have ridden for a week straight 5-8 hours a day. I could have ridden two
> weeks but I scheduled a week for vacation. I have no desire to sit in a
> chair 8 hours a day on vacation or at work. The body is not designed to
> sit for that long.
Yes, by all means, get the day's ride over with as quickly as possible! That
is an upright philosophy, not a recumbent philosophy. I LIKE to ride my
recumbent bike. In fact, I like it so much I want to spend all day on my
bike. I am never in any hurry to get the ride over with. In fact, I like to
prolong the ride as much as possible That is what a recumbent does for you.
Riding a recumbent is not just for exercise and fitness, it is for fun. The
fun factor soon disappears on an upright after a couple of hours or so. Why?
Because they are uncomfortable.
When I was doing week long bike tours, the only cyclists ever cycling around
town after the day's ride were recumbent cyclists. Everyone else was back in
camp rubbing rubbing their butts.That is not for me as I am way too st to
put up with that kind of foolishness.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 31 Dec 2006 08:54:32
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Jim Behning wrote:
> The thing is you can ride an upright bike, get your ride done in 4
> hours, get your shower, get your lunch and still see the recumbent ride
> in hours later.
Depends a lot on the bike. If you check you'll find that the right
sort of recumbents hold the aces for speed. The UK End to End
Land's End to John O' Groats 800+ mile road record is held on a
recumbent (a shade over 41 hours), with Andy Wilkinson beating his
own upright record to get it, so you can can even factor out the rider.
> I have no
> desire to sit in a chair 8 hours a day on vacation or at work. The body
> is not designed to sit for that long.
Since it isn't designed for a bike saddle /at all/, that's not a
good approach to the argument!
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 01 Jan 2007 01:53:19
From: Jim Behning
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Peter Clinch wrote:
> Jim Behning wrote:
>
>> The thing is you can ride an upright bike, get your ride done in 4
>> hours, get your shower, get your lunch and still see the recumbent
>> ride in hours later.
>
> Depends a lot on the bike. If you check you'll find that the right sort
> of recumbents hold the aces for speed. The UK End to End Land's End to
> John O' Groats 800+ mile road record is held on a recumbent (a shade
> over 41 hours), with Andy Wilkinson beating his own upright record to
> get it, so you can can even factor out the rider.
>
>> I have no desire to sit in a chair 8 hours a day on vacation or at
>> work. The body is not designed to sit for that long.
>
> Since it isn't designed for a bike saddle /at all/, that's not a good
> approach to the argument!
>
> Pete.
I figured it was just an exercise in typing. Out exercising beats typing
any day. Anyone that can do iron butt upright or lounging is amazing. I
am pretty beat after 8 hours on a mountain bike. It is not about the
bike but about my muscles that are not used to working. Sitting in a
chair to earn a living means bike riding can be painful in huge helpings.
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Date: 01 Jan 2007 08:38:53
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Jim Behning wrote:
> Peter Clinch wrote:
>> Jim Behning wrote:
>>
>>> The thing is you can ride an upright bike, get your ride done in 4
>>> hours, get your shower, get your lunch and still see the recumbent
>>> ride in hours later.
>>
>> Depends a lot on the bike. If you check you'll find that the right
>> sort of recumbents hold the aces for speed. The UK End to End Land's
>> End to John O' Groats 800+ mile road record is held on a recumbent (a
>> shade over 41 hours), with Andy Wilkinson beating his own upright
>> record to get it, so you can can even factor out the rider.
>>
>>> I have no desire to sit in a chair 8 hours a day on vacation or at
>>> work. The body is not designed to sit for that long.
>>
>> Since it isn't designed for a bike saddle /at all/, that's not a good
>> approach to the argument!
>>
>> Pete.
> I figured it was just an exercise in typing. Out exercising beats typing
> any day. Anyone that can do iron butt upright or lounging is amazing. I
> am pretty beat after 8 hours on a mountain bike. It is not about the
> bike but about my muscles that are not used to working. Sitting in a
> chair to earn a living means bike riding can be painful in huge helpings.
I had those pains too, but my mix of ride and hike cut those back to
reason. I mountain bike into place where I have to carry the bike so my
saddle parts get some blood. I'm still sore at various places after 9
hours out in the wilderness. Better than 9 hours at a CRT (pick one).
Bill Baka
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 07:27:37
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Remember who you are talking to Tim-
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Tim McNaa wrote:
> In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
> > expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit
> > you can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours
> > at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day
> > every day for weeks at a time.
> >
> > A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give
> > up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than
> > worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as
> > anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
> >
> > Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them
> > will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point,
> > you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
>
> Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable enough to
> ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable do I need my
> bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and 60s and even 70s
> who do this kind of riding on uprights quite comfortably.
>
> Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not be
> true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's great and
> more power to you. If I develop some kind of health problem which
> results in a choice between not riding and getting a recumbent, I'll get
> a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride recumbents because they just
> like 'em. Two friends of mine with cervical disk problems have gone
> this route quite happily because they don't aggravate their proximal
> and/or distal pain. I have a cervical disk problem of my own and who
> knows? I might be on a recumbent one of these days too. It's great
> that there are options!
>
> As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I see
> on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75 pounds
> overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal bikes being
> uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints about "recumbent
> butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no panacea.
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Date: 30 Dec 2006 14:12:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in message
news:1167233257.500570.66280@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> Remember who you are talking to Tim-
You bet - anyone stupid enough to want to get into a conversation with
someone who thinks Campy shit is the greatest shit? Fuck Campy and the g.d.
Italians all the way to Hell and back! "Breaking Away" anyone?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 23:53:36
From: Mark the biker
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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* * Chas wrote:
> "KERRY MONTGOMERY" <kamontgo@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:t7ikh.3987$w91.1156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> <snip>
> > I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for 56,
> and
> > in fact can live with upright bicycles.
> > Kerry
> >
> Sniveling, dirty legged kid, 55 and 63 respectively.
>
> I tried riding a bent for a few minutes about 30 years ago and I just felt
> to uncomfortable trying to keep it balanced.
>
> I can appreciate that for some people with physical limitations, a bent is
> the only way that they can enjoy cycling. That's great for them.
>
> Chas.
You would be surprised at how far the recumbent world has come in
30 years Chas. It is always a curiosity to me when people think I must
be
uncomfortable to be on a bent. Uncomfortable could be like you say,a
balance
problem. I also have upright bikes but for shame the tires are flat and
no one will
take the time or effort to pump them up.
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 14:39:56
From: bfd
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>
> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we recumbent
> cyclist insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an upright.
>
> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking mad
> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could ever be
> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way to
> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One thing is
> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>
Have you tried Rivendell's style of fitting? Maybe some reading
material will help:
http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/how_to_pick_your_bike
http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/choosing_a_frame_size
http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/our_approach_to_fit_sizing_and_riding_position
http://www.rivbike.com/assorted_reading/common_everyday_bike_set-up_mistakes
Good Luck with all that!
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 17:12:14
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1167172796.865108.294590@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>>
>> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
>> recumbent
>> cyclists insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an
>> upright.
>>
>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>> mad
>> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could ever
>> be
>> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way to
>> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One thing
>> is
>> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>>
> Have you tried Rivendell's style of fitting? Maybe some reading
> material will help:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/how_to_pick_your_bike
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/choosing_a_frame_size
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/our_approach_to_fit_sizing_and_riding_position
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/assorted_reading/common_everyday_bike_set-up_mistakes
>
> Good Luck with all that!
All of the above is water over the dam as far as I am concerned. I have been
there and done it - many, many times.
I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an expert
on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit you can more
or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours at best, but even
then you cannot be comfortable on them all day every day for weeks at a
time.
A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give up
some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than worth it. This
is actually a subject not even worth talking about as anyone who knows
recumbents can tell you.
Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them will
find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point, you will
either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
Good Luck with all that - indeed!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 22:43:18
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
> expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit
> you can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours
> at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day
> every day for weeks at a time.
>
> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give
> up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than
> worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as
> anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
>
> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them
> will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point,
> you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable enough to
ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable do I need my
bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and 60s and even 70s
who do this kind of riding on uprights quite comfortably.
Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not be
true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's great and
more power to you. If I develop some kind of health problem which
results in a choice between not riding and getting a recumbent, I'll get
a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride recumbents because they just
like 'em. Two friends of mine with cervical disk problems have gone
this route quite happily because they don't aggravate their proximal
and/or distal pain. I have a cervical disk problem of my own and who
knows? I might be on a recumbent one of these days too. It's great
that there are options!
As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I see
on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75 pounds
overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal bikes being
uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints about "recumbent
butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no panacea.
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 23:42:35
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote in message
news:timmcn-4FDF4D.22431826122006@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
>> expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit
>> you can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours
>> at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day
>> every day for weeks at a time.
>>
>> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give
>> up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than
>> worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as
>> anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
>>
>> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them
>> will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point,
>> you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
>
> Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable enough to
> ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable do I need my
> bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and 60s and even 70s
> who do this kind of riding on uprights quite comfortably.
But you do not get TOTAL comfort on an upright like you do on a recumbent. I
am insulted when discomfort kicks in on a bike, but maybe you do not mind
being insulted by discomfort. This is all a function of one's intelligence
of course.
I do not know of anyone in their 70's who can ride an upright with any
degree of comfort. Hey, live long enough and even you may get to be wise
like me.
> Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not be
> true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's great and
> more power to you. If I develop some kind of health problem which
> results in a choice between not riding and getting a recumbent, I'll get
> a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride recumbents because they just
> like 'em. Two friends of mine with cervical disk problems have gone
> this route quite happily because they don't aggravate their proximal
> and/or distal pain. I have a cervical disk problem of my own and who
> knows? I might be on a recumbent one of these days too. It's great
> that there are options!
It has nothing to do with health problems. It has everything to do with
getting old and feeble. You will be more comfortable on a recumbent and you
can leave speed to the teenagers where it belongs. The most pathetic sight
in the world is a middle age slob attempting to keep up with teenagers,
whether on a bike or in other department of life.
> As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I see
> on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75 pounds
> overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal bikes being
> uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints about "recumbent
> butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no panacea.
Yes, almost all Americans over a certain age are overweight. What else is
new?
Recumbent butt only kicks in for those too stupid to solve the problem. All
that is required in most cases is just more foam padding and a sufficient
lean back. It is the main reason why you do not want the BB to be too low.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. Are you any relation to Jim McNaa, an adversary of mine on ARBR from
Chicago that I have been feuding with for years?
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 08:19:57
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
In article <uuudneO9CJRImg_YnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> "Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-4FDF4D.22431826122006@news.iphouse.com...
> > In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself
> >> an expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and
> >> physically fit you can more or less be comfortable on an upright
> >> for several hours at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable
> >> on them all day every day for weeks at a time.
> >>
> >> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You
> >> give up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more
> >> than worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking
> >> about as anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
> >>
> >> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with
> >> them will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At
> >> that point, you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate
> >> to recumbents.
> >
> > Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable
> > enough to ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable
> > do I need my bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and
> > 60s and even 70s who do this kind of riding on uprights quite
> > comfortably.
>
> But you do not get TOTAL comfort on an upright like you do on a
> recumbent. I am insulted when discomfort kicks in on a bike, but
> maybe you do not mind being insulted by discomfort. This is all a
> function of one's intelligence of course.
No, in this case it is a function of your self-righteousness.
> I do not know of anyone in their 70's who can ride an upright with
> any degree of comfort.
Then you don't know enough cyclists.
> Hey, live long enough and even you may get to be wise like me.
I'll pass on being wise like you, thanks.
> > Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not
> > be true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's
> > great and more power to you. If I develop some kind of health
> > problem which results in a choice between not riding and getting a
> > recumbent, I'll get a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride
> > recumbents because they just like 'em. Two friends of mine with
> > cervical disk problems have gone this route quite happily because
> > they don't aggravate their proximal and/or distal pain. I have a
> > cervical disk problem of my own and who knows? I might be on a
> > recumbent one of these days too. It's great that there are
> > options!
>
> It has nothing to do with health problems. It has everything to do
> with getting old and feeble.
Or you can skip the getting feeble part. A good exercise program can
prevent many of the losses stereotypically associated with aging.
Older people derive the same benefits from aerobic and resistance
training as young people, and in addition derive improved vigor and
mental capacity. The risk of dementia, falls, injuries due to falls,
and of nursing home placement is reduced by regular exercise.
> You will be more comfortable on a recumbent and you can leave speed
> to the teenagers where it belongs. The most pathetic sight in the
> world is a middle age slob attempting to keep up with teenagers,
> whether on a bike or in other department of life.
One of the most sights is a fit middle aged person leading the paceline
with the young 'uns struggling to keep up.
> > As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I
> > see on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75
> > pounds overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal
> > bikes being uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints
> > about "recumbent butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no
> > panacea.
>
> Yes, almost all Americans over a certain age are overweight. What
> else is new?
That's a fixable problem.
> Recumbent butt only kicks in for those too stupid to solve the
> problem. All that is required in most cases is just more foam padding
> and a sufficient lean back. It is the main reason why you do not want
> the BB to be too low.
I like the BB just behind my knees.
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of
> the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. Are you any relation to Jim McNaa, an adversary of mine on
> ARBR from Chicago that I have been feuding with for years?
No.
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 00:21:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote in message
news:timmcn-FB12A8.08195727122006@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <uuudneO9CJRImg_YnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> "Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
>> news:timmcn-4FDF4D.22431826122006@news.iphouse.com...
>> > In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
>> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself
>> >> an expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and
>> >> physically fit you can more or less be comfortable on an upright
>> >> for several hours at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable
>> >> on them all day every day for weeks at a time.
>> >>
>> >> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You
>> >> give up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more
>> >> than worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking
>> >> about as anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
>> >>
>> >> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with
>> >> them will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At
>> >> that point, you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate
>> >> to recumbents.
>> >
>> > Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable
>> > enough to ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable
>> > do I need my bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and
>> > 60s and even 70s who do this kind of riding on uprights quite
>> > comfortably.
>>
>> But you do not get TOTAL comfort on an upright like you do on a
>> recumbent. I am insulted when discomfort kicks in on a bike, but
>> maybe you do not mind being insulted by discomfort. This is all a
>> function of one's intelligence of course.
>
> No, in this case it is a function of your self-righteousness.
>
>> I do not know of anyone in their 70's who can ride an upright with
>> any degree of comfort.
>
> Then you don't know enough cyclists.
>
>> Hey, live long enough and even you may get to be wise like me.
>
> I'll pass on being wise like you, thanks.
>
>> > Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not
>> > be true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's
>> > great and more power to you. If I develop some kind of health
>> > problem which results in a choice between not riding and getting a
>> > recumbent, I'll get a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride
>> > recumbents because they just like 'em. Two friends of mine with
>> > cervical disk problems have gone this route quite happily because
>> > they don't aggravate their proximal and/or distal pain. I have a
>> > cervical disk problem of my own and who knows? I might be on a
>> > recumbent one of these days too. It's great that there are
>> > options!
>>
>> It has nothing to do with health problems. It has everything to do
>> with getting old and feeble.
>
> Or you can skip the getting feeble part. A good exercise program can
> prevent many of the losses stereotypically associated with aging.
> Older people derive the same benefits from aerobic and resistance
> training as young people, and in addition derive improved vigor and
> mental capacity. The risk of dementia, falls, injuries due to falls,
> and of nursing home placement is reduced by regular exercise.
All of the above is spoken like a true ignoramus who does not yet know what
it is like to get old and feeble. There is no cure for it of course except
for it to happen to him personally - and it surely will no matter how hard
he whistles as he passes by the graveyard.
>> You will be more comfortable on a recumbent and you can leave speed
>> to the teenagers where it belongs. The most pathetic sight in the
>> world is a middle age slob attempting to keep up with teenagers,
>> whether on a bike or in other department of life.
>
> One of the most sights is a fit middle aged person leading the paceline
> with the young 'uns struggling to keep up.
>
>> > As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I
>> > see on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75
>> > pounds overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal
>> > bikes being uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints
>> > about "recumbent butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no
>> > panacea.
>>
>> Yes, almost all Americans over a certain age are overweight. What
>> else is new?
>
> That's a fixable problem.
>
>> Recumbent butt only kicks in for those too stupid to solve the
>> problem. All that is required in most cases is just more foam padding
>> and a sufficient lean back. It is the main reason why you do not want
>> the BB to be too low.
>
> I like the BB just behind my knees.
>
>> PS. Are you any relation to Jim McNaa, an adversary of mine on
>> ARBR from Chicago that I have been feuding with for years?
>
> No.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 23:20:57
From: KERRY MONTGOMERY
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1167172796.865108.294590@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>>>
>>> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
>>> recumbent
>>> cyclists insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an
>>> upright.
>>>
>>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>>> mad
>>> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could
>>> ever be
>>> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way
>>> to
>>> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One thing
>>> is
>>> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>>>
>> Have you tried Rivendell's style of fitting? Maybe some reading
>> material will help:
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/how_to_pick_your_bike
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/choosing_a_frame_size
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/our_approach_to_fit_sizing_and_riding_position
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/assorted_reading/common_everyday_bike_set-up_mistakes
>>
>> Good Luck with all that!
>
> All of the above is water over the dam as far as I am concerned. I have
> been there and done it - many, many times.
>
> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
> expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit you
> can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours at best,
> but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day every day for
> weeks at a time.
>
> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give up
> some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than worth it.
> This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as anyone who
> knows recumbents can tell you.
>
> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them will
> find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point, you will
> either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
>
> Good Luck with all that - indeed!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for 56, and
in fact can live with upright bicycles.
Kerry
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 06:27:02
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"KERRY MONTGOMERY" <kamontgo@teleport.com > wrote in message
news:t7ikh.3987$w91.1156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
<snip >
> I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for 56,
and
> in fact can live with upright bicycles.
> Kerry
>
Sniveling, dirty legged kid, 55 and 63 respectively.
I tried riding a bent for a few minutes about 30 years ago and I just felt
to uncomfortable trying to keep it balanced.
I can appreciate that for some people with physical limitations, a bent is
the only way that they can enjoy cycling. That's great for them.
Chas.
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 00:57:49
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"* * Chas" <verktyg@aol.spamski.com > wrote in message
news:Wmokh.585016$QZ1.48707@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "KERRY MONTGOMERY" <kamontgo@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:t7ikh.3987$w91.1156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
> <snip>
>> I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for 56,
> and
>> in fact can live with upright bicycles.
>> Kerry
>>
> Sniveling, dirty legged kid, 55 and 63 respectively.
>
> I tried riding a bent for a few minutes about 30 years ago and I just felt
> to [too] uncomfortable trying to keep it balanced.
>
> I can appreciate that for some people with physical limitations, a bent is
> the only way that they can enjoy cycling. That's great for them.
>
> Chas.
It has nothing to do with physical limitations. It has everything to do with
comfort. What an idiot you are!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 17:43:52
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"KERRY MONTGOMERY" <kamontgo@teleport.com > wrote in message
news:t7ikh.3987$w91.1156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167172796.865108.294590@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>>>>
>>>> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
>>>> recumbent
>>>> cyclists insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an
>>>> upright.
>>>>
>>>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>>>> mad
>>>> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could
>>>> ever be
>>>> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way
>>>> to
>>>> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One
>>>> thing is
>>>> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>>>>
>>> Have you tried Rivendell's style of fitting? Maybe some reading
>>> material will help:
[...]
>>> Good Luck with all that!
>>
>> All of the above is water over the dam as far as I am concerned. I have
>> been there and done it - many, many times.
>>
>> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
>> expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit you
>> can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours at best,
>> but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day every day for
>> weeks at a time.
>>
>> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give up
>> some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than worth it.
>> This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as anyone who
>> knows recumbents can tell you.
>>
>> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them will
>> find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point, you will
>> either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
>>
>> Good Luck with all that - indeed!
>
> I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for 56,
> and in fact can live with upright bicycles.
> Kerry
Yeah, but you are probably an iron man, a species of humans that I have
never had any truck with. Most of us are not iron men. We lose our physical
fitness and strength as we age - and so will you too eventually. I can
assure you that by age 70 you will worship at the altar of Ed Dolan the
Great. You will wonder how I could have been so wise and how you could have
been so ignorant.
The fact is that recumbents are mostly for older folks. I remember when I
thought I could ride uprights forever, but reality intruded. Recumbents mean
that you can continue to ride bikes longer than you ever thought possible
and thereby insure continued fitness and perhaps a longer life.
But I must admit I now see the Grim Reaper around every corner. In the end
of course, nothing can save you, not even cycling!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Jan 2007 05:50:07
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:3cSdnQOGOuNcLgzYnZ2dnUVZ_qyjnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> Yeah, but you are probably an iron man, a species of humans that I have
> never had any truck with. Most of us are not iron men. We lose our
> physical fitness and strength as we age - and so will you too eventually.
> I can assure you that by age 70 you will worship at the altar of Ed Dolan
> the Great. You will wonder how I could have been so wise and how you could
> have been so ignorant.
Went on a little 400 mile ride back in September. Road down the coast from
San Francisco to Santa Barbara. The guy leading the ride was 75. The other
three of us were all in our 60's. No one was tired or achy from riding even
on the 90 mile days.
No reason for you to change from recumbents but obviously you never gave
them a proper chance to begin with.
Oh, yeah, and none of us would EVER be classified as "iron men".
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 01:29:36
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:ji1mh.6025$yx6.2509@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:3cSdnQOGOuNcLgzYnZ2dnUVZ_qyjnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> Yeah, but you are probably an iron man, a species of humans that I have
>> never had any truck with. Most of us are not iron men. We lose our
>> physical fitness and strength as we age - and so will you too eventually.
>> I can assure you that by age 70 you will worship at the altar of Ed Dolan
>> the Great. You will wonder how I could have been so wise and how you
>> could have been so ignorant.
>
> Went on a little 400 mile ride back in September. Road down the coast from
> San Francisco to Santa Barbara. The guy leading the ride was 75. The other
> three of us were all in our 60's. No one was tired or achy from riding
> even on the 90 mile days.
Do 100 miles a day for 2 weeks and then get back to me on the achy business.
> No reason for you to change from recumbents but obviously you never gave
> them a proper chance to begin with.
>
> Oh, yeah, and none of us would EVER be classified as "iron men".
It is possible for guys in their 60's to do some pretty serious miles on an
upright provided they are physically fit. However, anyone who can also do
those kind of serious miles in their 70's is most definitely an iron man.
They are few and far between.
Most guys I know in their 70's already have one foot in the grave and I am
not far removed from that point myself despite over 30 years of bike riding.
I think what happens is that the body reaches its final plateau in your 70's
and there is no place for it to go from there but downhill. I have never
known anyone in their 80's who did not strike me as extremely frail.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 22:22:13
From: Gareth
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
Can you guys take this off the R.B.M list please?
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 00:53:24
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Gareth" <gareth@internet.org > wrote in message
news:Nc-dnfqIbJCKjA_YnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@comcast.com...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> Can you guys take this off the R.B.M list please?
What the fuck for? There is nothing on RBM except a bunch of idiots
blathering away about nothing at all. All cycling newsgroups are equally
stupid. The sooner you learn this, the better.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 09:59:42
From: Gareth
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Gareth" <gareth@internet.org> wrote in message
> news:Nc-dnfqIbJCKjA_YnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
>> Can you guys take this off the R.B.M list please?
>
> What the fuck for? There is nothing on RBM except a bunch of idiots
> blathering away about nothing at all. All cycling newsgroups are equally
> stupid. The sooner you learn this, the better.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
If your postings are any example, I'd have to agree.
However, I should have been more specific. Please take this discussion
off rec.bicycles.KETPLACE. It is creating a lot of noise, rivaling
the guy posting about M.I.5.
As for your rek about top posting, that is a religious issue, no need
to shout.
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 00:04:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Gareth" <gareth@internet.org > wrote in message
news:QNadnQOk2OQNKQ_YnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Gareth" <gareth@internet.org> wrote in message
>> news:Nc-dnfqIbJCKjA_YnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>>> Can you guys take this off the R.B.M list please?
>>
>> What the fuck for? There is nothing on RBM except a bunch of idiots
>> blathering away about nothing at all. All cycling newsgroups are equally
>> stupid. The sooner you learn this, the better.
>>
> If your postings are any example, I'd have to agree.
>
> However, I should have been more specific. Please take this discussion off
> rec.bicycles.KETPLACE. It is creating a lot of noise, rivaling the guy
> posting about M.I.5.
I haven't the foggiest notion why any of this is appearing on the
ketplace group. But I am too lazy to do any editing of the newsgroups. I
take them the way I find them.
> As for your rek about top posting, that is a religious issue, no need
> to shout.
Top posting is the worst sin that anyone can commit on Usenet. One needs to
shout in order to get through to the numskulls who do this.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| |
Date: 26 Dec 2006 16:14:44
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1167156630.556290.72170@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> Okay, so I've been putting through my HP Velo SMGTe through all kinds
> of conditions around town for almost a year now. After all the
> potholes, rain, mud, grit, heat and cold I finally managed to really
> fuck it up Sunday. A chainring got bent slightly, and eventually the
> chain itself broke and messed up some drivetrain components in the
> process!
>
> I only wonder how folks manage to take this model 'bent on them Third
> World tours if I'm having issues with it from simply riding around
> town! From the beginning the rear air shock suddenly stopped working.
> In another two weeks I managed to shred the top teflon tube somehow.
> Then the front disc brake rotor became permanently warped. Then the
> back ones. Did I mention the rear mudguard cracking in two? Sunday,
> about the whole drivetrain came undone: broken chain, a bent chainring,
> the idler spring clamp kaputt. Interestingly, the Thracian wheelset
> has held up just fine, AFAIK.
>
> Good God, but this is starting to be like dealing with your PC: "now
> what???" comes to mind more and more. And this seems to me
> recumbency's fatal flaw preventing it from wider adoptation: it's too
> fucking complicated! And I can't believe how many of the nuts and
> bolts on my SMGTe do not seem to be off-the-shelf stuff you can get at
> a hardware store. Also, there should be a re-assembly instruction
> sheet for owners included with the bikes, since not all LBSes know or
> care about servicing 'bents.
>
> Recumbents are fun when they work, but mine is finally going to make a
> grease-monkey out of me! The HP Velo SMGTe is still the most
> comfortable 'bent around, but it requires a lot of attention, not like
> my other bikes which I just ride and take to the shop maybe once or
> twice a year. So far, I think I've spent $250 getting my 'bent
> serviced and refitted in one way or another. JFC!!
>
> I've now almost completely disassembled my 'bent, so as to clean out
> all the grit and grime and reinstall the chain, etc. Damn, this is
> going to be some education in bike mechanics! I'm really learning the
> hard way...on my own. I'm kind of looking forward to it, out of
> curiosity. Just wish I had the space to lay things down properly and
> leave them around.
You are just learning what all of us recumbent cyclists have had to learn
the hard way. Yes, the damn things are great when they work like they
should, but they are subject to many vicissitudes.
I would never take a recumbent bike to a shop for any kind of repair. You
have to repair them yourselves. Otherwise, you will go broke.
I will never recommend a high priced recumbent to anyone because I know from
bitter experience that they are not any better than the cheap ones. Unless
you are into speed, you do not need a state of the art recumbent. Get a
cheap one and then be prepared to fix whatever. You will be far happier that
way and not regret your loss of thousands of dollars.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 10:23:48
From:
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
|
Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
Prisoner at War wrote:
> Okay, so I've been putting through my HP Velo SMGTe through all kinds
> of conditions around town for almost a year now. After all the
> potholes, rain, mud, grit, heat and cold I finally managed to really
> fuck it up Sunday. A chainring got bent slightly, and eventually the
> chain itself broke and messed up some drivetrain components in the
> process!
>
> I only wonder how folks manage to take this model 'bent on them Third
> World tours if I'm having issues with it from simply riding around
> town! From the beginning the rear air shock suddenly stopped working.
> In another two weeks I managed to shred the top teflon tube somehow.
> Then the front disc brake rotor became permanently warped. Then the
> back ones. Did I mention the rear mudguard cracking in two? Sunday,
> about the whole drivetrain came undone: broken chain, a bent chainring,
> the idler spring clamp kaputt. Interestingly, the Thracian wheelset
> has held up just fine, AFAIK.
>
> Good God, but this is starting to be like dealing with your PC: "now
> what???" comes to mind more and more. And this seems to me
> recumbency's fatal flaw preventing it from wider adoptation: it's too
> fucking complicated! And I can't believe how many of the nuts and
> bolts on my SMGTe do not seem to be off-the-shelf stuff you can get at
> a hardware store. Also, there should be a re-assembly instruction
> sheet for owners included with the bikes, since not all LBSes know or
> care about servicing 'bents.
>
> Recumbents are fun when they work, but mine is finally going to make a
> grease-monkey out of me! The HP Velo SMGTe is still the most
> comfortable 'bent around, but it requires a lot of attention, not like
> my other bikes which I just ride and take to the shop maybe once or
> twice a year. So far, I think I've spent $250 getting my 'bent
> serviced and refitted in one way or another. JFC!!
>
> I've now almost completely disassembled my 'bent, so as to clean out
> all the grit and grime and reinstall the chain, etc. Damn, this is
> going to be some education in bike mechanics! I'm really learning the
> hard way...on my own. I'm kind of looking forward to it, out of
> curiosity. Just wish I had the space to lay things down properly and
> leave them around.
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 16:27:24
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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<bigjim@backpacker.com > wrote in message
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> Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we recumbent
cyclist insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an upright.
When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking mad
I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could ever be
comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way to
hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One thing is
for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> Prisoner at War wrote:
>> Okay, so I've been putting through my HP Velo SMGTe through all kinds
>> of conditions around town for almost a year now. After all the
>> potholes, rain, mud, grit, heat and cold I finally managed to really
>> fuck it up Sunday. A chainring got bent slightly, and eventually the
>> chain itself broke and messed up some drivetrain components in the
>> process!
>>
>> I only wonder how folks manage to take this model 'bent on them Third
>> World tours if I'm having issues with it from simply riding around
>> town! From the beginning the rear air shock suddenly stopped working.
>> In another two weeks I managed to shred the top teflon tube somehow.
>> Then the front disc brake rotor became permanently warped. Then the
>> back ones. Did I mention the rear mudguard cracking in two? Sunday,
>> about the whole drivetrain came undone: broken chain, a bent chainring,
>> the idler spring clamp kaputt. Interestingly, the Thracian wheelset
>> has held up just fine, AFAIK.
>>
>> Good God, but this is starting to be like dealing with your PC: "now
>> what???" comes to mind more and more. And this seems to me
>> recumbency's fatal flaw preventing it from wider adoptation: it's too
>> fucking complicated! And I can't believe how many of the nuts and
>> bolts on my SMGTe do not seem to be off-the-shelf stuff you can get at
>> a hardware store. Also, there should be a re-assembly instruction
>> sheet for owners included with the bikes, since not all LBSes know or
>> care about servicing 'bents.
>>
>> Recumbents are fun when they work, but mine is finally going to make a
>> grease-monkey out of me! The HP Velo SMGTe is still the most
>> comfortable 'bent around, but it requires a lot of attention, not like
>> my other bikes which I just ride and take to the shop maybe once or
>> twice a year. So far, I think I've spent $250 getting my 'bent
>> serviced and refitted in one way or another. JFC!!
>>
>> I've now almost completely disassembled my 'bent, so as to clean out
>> all the grit and grime and reinstall the chain, etc. Damn, this is
>> going to be some education in bike mechanics! I'm really learning the
>> hard way...on my own. I'm kind of looking forward to it, out of
>> curiosity. Just wish I had the space to lay things down properly and
>> leave them around.
>
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Date: 01 Jan 2007 05:46:06
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
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>
> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
> recumbent cyclist insist on comfort, something that you can never get on
> an upright.
>
> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
> mad I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could
> ever be comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the
> way to hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One
> thing is for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
Ed, when I started riding again I had a whole lot of pains in just about
every part of my body from that damned bicycle.
But over time I learned to properly fit and to adjust myself to the bike.
I put in 7600+ miles this year and the worst pain I've had from the bike was
an occasional sore butt and that's usually near the start of a ride. It goes
away as I ride out longer.
I can certainly understand why you'd be angry at the pain from a bicycle but
when I started running way back when I had every possible pain a person
could have except when running they got progressively worse. Eventually I
had to stop running because my legs would be numb from the knees down for
days at a time.
I've ridden some recumbents and to be frank, I didn't find them that
comfortable and neither did I see any advantage to using them. Though I did
discover that I like short wheelbase recumbents with underseat steering.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 03:05:00
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:ye1mh.6024$yx6.3344@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:k9KdndLv2tVIPAzYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
>> recumbent cyclists insist on comfort, something that you can never get on
>> an upright.
>>
>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>> mad I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could
>> ever be comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all
>> the way to hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks.
>> One thing is for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>
> Ed, when I started riding again I had a whole lot of pains in just about
> every part of my body from that damned bicycle.
>
> But over time I learned to properly fit and to adjust myself to the bike.
>
> I put in 7600+ miles this year and the worst pain I've had from the bike
> was an occasional sore butt and that's usually near the start of a ride.
> It goes away as I ride out longer.
>
> I can certainly understand why you'd be angry at the pain from a bicycle
> but when I started running way back when I had every possible pain a
> person could have except when running they got progressively worse.
> Eventually I had to stop running because my legs would be numb from the
> knees down for days at a time.
>
> I've ridden some recumbents and to be frank, I didn't find them that
> comfortable and neither did I see any advantage to using them. Though I
> did discover that I like short wheelbase recumbents with underseat
> steering.
To compare the kind of comfort you can get on an upright (by working at it)
and the kind comfort you can get on a recumbent right out of the box is the
difference between night and day. I rode uprights for over 10 years and
there is nothing you can tell me about them that I do not already know in
spades.
You DO sometimes have to fiddle a bit with the seat and various other
factors to get perfect comfort on a recumbent, but it can easily be
accomplished. Once you have your recumbent dialed in, you are through with
it for life. You can never say that about an upright as it will come back to
bite you if you get the least bit out of shape.
The chief advantage of a recumbent is the comfort factor. Most young
cyclists will never get into recumbents because they either do not ride a
bike all that much or they do not want to give up any speed. They will put
up with the discomfort that you get on an upright for the speed advantage.
Once I got into recumbents I never looked back and I now regard uprights as
nothing but torture machines. The fact is that you have to stay very fit and
strong to ride an upright. You can be a wimp like me and still enjoy a bike
as long as it is a recumbent.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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