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Date: 02 Nov 2006 07:49:44
From: Steven
Subject: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
etc.).
The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all. Or it is mentioned
as an afterthought (like on Sheldon's site).
So *IS* rim tape simply an afterthought? Or is it truly necessary? I
have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate
if you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing
rim tape.
Steven
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Date: 10 Nov 2006 03:38:42
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Forget Rim Tape when there's soul food to be eaten...
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In article <474vk2130jm8gibldgejhenebiiqdlqlia@4ax.com >,
Werehatrack <rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net > writes:
>>I could tell you about the smoked pork shoulder sandwich over at
>>Cantrell's. I could tell you how they serve it with cole slaw and hot
>>vinegar sauce, with greens and white bean on the side. There's even a
>>big poster of Muhammed Ali on the wall and a family illustrated Bible
>>to admire if the line's long. Yeah, I could tell you about that, but
>>it would be cruel...
>
>
> This is beginning to sound like the script of a "Hey Grandpa! What's
> for supper?" bit on Hee-Haw.
I dunno what a Hee-Haw is, but it don't sound to ... crunk(?)
(I thought that was an insipid version of hiphop fraught with
club-music tape loops 'n disco rhythm machines.) I'm not sure
if the works of E-Z and Ice Cube and Ray Jeem (sp?) fall into
that category, but I've acquired a taste for some of their work.
But cars only use limited types of fuel, provided by the likes
of Esso and Chevron and Shell and BP, et al. We riders have
much more varied & diverse and soul-replenishing requirements.
I daresay, certain cyclists' fuels may be optimal for certain
riding conditions, including not only terrain or weather, but
also time of day or purpose of ride. And there's a certain
amount of regionality I find interesting. In fact I find it
noteworthy that different regions provide their own particular,
local nourishments & fuels for the riders there.
I figure a cycle tourist [ad]venturing into hitherto unexperienced
territories had better have an ecclectic and unprejudiced palate.
Maybe even when it comes to eating creepy-crawly bugs & worms.
after all, they're just critters -- same as cows 'n chickens 'n
oysters 'n the microscopic stuff living in your cheese.
cheers,
Tom
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 16:27:29
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Forget Rim Tape when there's soul food to be eaten...
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Werehatrack wrote:
> On 5 Nov 2006 10:35:45 -0800, "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Tom Keats wrote:
> >> In article <1162672194.950343.272890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> >> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > $7 buys two spicy catfish
> >> > sandwiches at my local fish stand. I guess some folks have their
> >> > priorities...
> >>
> >>
> >> Oooh, gawd, send me some! Hushpuppies on the side, & real southern
> >> tomato & shrimp aspic sittin' on a bed 'o' iceberg lettuce & mayo too,
> >> please! And cornmeal-fried crawdad tails.
> >> And 'slaw.
> >>
> >> Awww, mannn -- yer hurtin' me.
> >>
> >> O' course, blackened redfish ain't a patch on smoked Alaska black cod.
> >> Maybe we can do a trade ... :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Nah. It's frowned-upon at the border.
> >>
> >> Shucks!
> >>
> >
> >
> >Black cod ain't nothing to sneer at. Tasty stuff! Eat locally is my
> >rule. Round here that means the classic cornmeal breaded catfish or
> >whiting sandwich: two fillets on shitty white bread to soak up the
> >grease, with hamburger pickles toothpicked on top and a couple shakes
> >of Trappey's hot sauce. If you're ever in the Buckle of the Bible Belt,
> >do pay a visit to Eastside Fish on Gallatin Road. It's in the back of
> >a laundromat, baby, so you know it's awesome! They claim to be the
> >crunkest fish in town, and don't worry if you don't know what crunk
> >is, you'll learn.
> >
> >We also have the official local delight: hot chicken. The mayor of our
> >fair city is a proponent of hot chicken, and has suggested a festival
> >in its honor. Forget about property tax or zoning issues--you can trust
> >a hot chicken eater. Makes you honest. Like the folks at Princes
> >Chicken say, "If you get the hot, don't plan on travelling for 24
> >hours." My local, Bolton's Hot Chicken (and fish), is a little less
> >painfull, if you ask the nice lady if her chicken is hot she'll say,
> >"It's hot, but you won't lose your composure."
> >
> >Don't think that such foods are just for one kind of folk over the
> >other. Over at Prince's you'll see folks of every color, wearing
> >business suits or flip flops, and often you'll see local chefs getting
> >their fix. Yup, there's nothing more democratic than knowing all of you
> >will be sitting on the can and invoking the creator's name after 12
> >hours.
> >
> >I could tell you about the smoked pork shoulder sandwich over at
> >Cantrell's. I could tell you how they serve it with cole slaw and hot
> >vinegar sauce, with greens and white bean on the side. There's even a
> >big poster of Muhammed Ali on the wall and a family illustrated Bible
> >to admire if the line's long. Yeah, I could tell you about that, but
> >it would be cruel...
>
>
> This is beginning to sound like the script of a "Hey Grandpa! What's
> for supper?" bit on Hee-Haw.
>
> [Under oath, I will deny having ever voluntarily watched that
> program.]
I love Hee-Haw. Corny, but good. I'll watch reruns with no shame. Who
doesn't like to watch people stand around in a corn field and tell
groaners??
I also like Russ Meyer films. You've got to have the right balance of
fromage in life.
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 10:35:45
From: landotter
Subject: Forget Rim Tape when there's soul food to be eaten...
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Tom Keats wrote:
> In article <1162672194.950343.272890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > $7 buys two spicy catfish
> > sandwiches at my local fish stand. I guess some folks have their
> > priorities...
>
>
> Oooh, gawd, send me some! Hushpuppies on the side, & real southern
> tomato & shrimp aspic sittin' on a bed 'o' iceberg lettuce & mayo too,
> please! And cornmeal-fried crawdad tails.
> And 'slaw.
>
> Awww, mannn -- yer hurtin' me.
>
> O' course, blackened redfish ain't a patch on smoked Alaska black cod.
> Maybe we can do a trade ... :-)
>
>
> Nah. It's frowned-upon at the border.
>
> Shucks!
>
Black cod ain't nothing to sneer at. Tasty stuff! Eat locally is my
rule. Round here that means the classic cornmeal breaded catfish or
whiting sandwich: two fillets on shitty white bread to soak up the
grease, with hamburger pickles toothpicked on top and a couple shakes
of Trappey's hot sauce. If you're ever in the Buckle of the Bible Belt,
do pay a visit to Eastside Fish on Gallatin Road. It's in the back of
a laundromat, baby, so you know it's awesome! They claim to be the
crunkest fish in town, and don't worry if you don't know what crunk
is, you'll learn.
We also have the official local delight: hot chicken. The mayor of our
fair city is a proponent of hot chicken, and has suggested a festival
in its honor. Forget about property tax or zoning issues--you can trust
a hot chicken eater. Makes you honest. Like the folks at Princes
Chicken say, "If you get the hot, don't plan on travelling for 24
hours." My local, Bolton's Hot Chicken (and fish), is a little less
painfull, if you ask the nice lady if her chicken is hot she'll say,
"It's hot, but you won't lose your composure."
Don't think that such foods are just for one kind of folk over the
other. Over at Prince's you'll see folks of every color, wearing
business suits or flip flops, and often you'll see local chefs getting
their fix. Yup, there's nothing more democratic than knowing all of you
will be sitting on the can and invoking the creator's name after 12
hours.
I could tell you about the smoked pork shoulder sandwich over at
Cantrell's. I could tell you how they serve it with cole slaw and hot
vinegar sauce, with greens and white bean on the side. There's even a
big poster of Muhammed Ali on the wall and a family illustrated Bible
to admire if the line's long. Yeah, I could tell you about that, but
it would be cruel...
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 19:47:39
From: Werehatrack
Subject: Re: Forget Rim Tape when there's soul food to be eaten...
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On 5 Nov 2006 10:35:45 -0800, "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com > wrote:
>Tom Keats wrote:
>> In article <1162672194.950343.272890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
>> "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > $7 buys two spicy catfish
>> > sandwiches at my local fish stand. I guess some folks have their
>> > priorities...
>>
>>
>> Oooh, gawd, send me some! Hushpuppies on the side, & real southern
>> tomato & shrimp aspic sittin' on a bed 'o' iceberg lettuce & mayo too,
>> please! And cornmeal-fried crawdad tails.
>> And 'slaw.
>>
>> Awww, mannn -- yer hurtin' me.
>>
>> O' course, blackened redfish ain't a patch on smoked Alaska black cod.
>> Maybe we can do a trade ... :-)
>>
>>
>> Nah. It's frowned-upon at the border.
>>
>> Shucks!
>>
>
>
>Black cod ain't nothing to sneer at. Tasty stuff! Eat locally is my
>rule. Round here that means the classic cornmeal breaded catfish or
>whiting sandwich: two fillets on shitty white bread to soak up the
>grease, with hamburger pickles toothpicked on top and a couple shakes
>of Trappey's hot sauce. If you're ever in the Buckle of the Bible Belt,
>do pay a visit to Eastside Fish on Gallatin Road. It's in the back of
>a laundromat, baby, so you know it's awesome! They claim to be the
>crunkest fish in town, and don't worry if you don't know what crunk
>is, you'll learn.
>
>We also have the official local delight: hot chicken. The mayor of our
>fair city is a proponent of hot chicken, and has suggested a festival
>in its honor. Forget about property tax or zoning issues--you can trust
>a hot chicken eater. Makes you honest. Like the folks at Princes
>Chicken say, "If you get the hot, don't plan on travelling for 24
>hours." My local, Bolton's Hot Chicken (and fish), is a little less
>painfull, if you ask the nice lady if her chicken is hot she'll say,
>"It's hot, but you won't lose your composure."
>
>Don't think that such foods are just for one kind of folk over the
>other. Over at Prince's you'll see folks of every color, wearing
>business suits or flip flops, and often you'll see local chefs getting
>their fix. Yup, there's nothing more democratic than knowing all of you
>will be sitting on the can and invoking the creator's name after 12
>hours.
>
>I could tell you about the smoked pork shoulder sandwich over at
>Cantrell's. I could tell you how they serve it with cole slaw and hot
>vinegar sauce, with greens and white bean on the side. There's even a
>big poster of Muhammed Ali on the wall and a family illustrated Bible
>to admire if the line's long. Yeah, I could tell you about that, but
>it would be cruel...
This is beginning to sound like the script of a "Hey Grandpa! What's
for supper?" bit on Hee-Haw.
[Under oath, I will deny having ever voluntarily watched that
program.]
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Some gardening required to reply via email.
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 02:55:59
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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In article <1162672194.950343.272890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com >,
"landotter" <landotter@gmail.com > writes:
> $7 buys two spicy catfish
> sandwiches at my local fish stand. I guess some folks have their
> priorities...
Oooh, gawd, send me some! Hushpuppies on the side, & real southern
tomato & shrimp aspic sittin' on a bed 'o' iceberg lettuce & mayo too,
please! And cornmeal-fried crawdad tails.
And 'slaw.
Awww, mannn -- yer hurtin' me.
O' course, blackened redfish ain't a patch on smoked Alaska black cod.
Maybe we can do a trade ... :-)
Nah. It's frowned-upon at the border.
Shucks!
cheers,
Tom
--
-- Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 18:18:40
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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John Thompson wrote:
> On 2006-11-04, frkrygow@gmail.com <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
> > double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
> > wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
> > brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
>
> I've never found a double layer to be necessary. But if you want to get
> really exotic, Johnson & Johnson makes a silk cloth adhesive tape.
Class Warfare!
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 12:29:55
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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catzz66 wrote:
> Pat Lamb wrote:
> >
> >
> > Have to agree with the recommendation, although my experience was less
> > salutary. Stretchy rubber or plastic rim strips led to flats after
> > 15-24 months. Velox cloth tape, OTOH, still going strong after 6 years
> > or so.
> >
> >
>
> I use Velox too, just because it is convenient. I have read this whole
> thread to date and have to say it seems trivial to worry about the
> difference between a .95 item and something that costs 2.95 if is going
> to last years and thousands of miles. I have far more important and
> equally trivial things to worry about. =]
With the price around here, I save $7 on a set of wheels by not using
Velox. Never had a strip failure in a couple decades. It might be only
seven bucks to you, but you start adding up things that nickel and dime
you every day, and you'd be surprised. $7 buys two spicy catfish
sandwiches at my local fish stand. I guess some folks have their
priorities...
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 10:55:39
From:
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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JimmyMac wrote:
> frkrygow@gmail.com wrote:
> > daytoncapri wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Anybody out there using duct tape?
> >
> > Only a couple times on a long tour, and then only to temporarily fix a
> > person's bike who was getting flats with her brand new wheels.
> >
> > The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
> > double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
> > wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
> > brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
>
> Frank,
>
> I've often thought of using that, but recalled how tacky the adhesive
> was and though if it ever had to be replaced this would prove to be
> problematic. Then again, if it never has to be replaced, this is a
> non-issue.
I've replaced it a few times over the years. It's no problem.
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 05:58:06
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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frkrygow@gmail.com wrote:
> daytoncapri wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anybody out there using duct tape?
>
> Only a couple times on a long tour, and then only to temporarily fix a
> person's bike who was getting flats with her brand new wheels.
>
> The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
> double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
> wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
> brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
Frank,
I've often thought of using that, but recalled how tacky the adhesive
was and though if it ever had to be replaced this would prove to be
problematic. Then again, if it never has to be replaced, this is a
non-issue.
Jim McNaa
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 20:17:57
From:
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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di wrote:
> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote i:
> > I used a
> > double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
> > wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
> > brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
> >
>
> That's interesting, does the adhesive tape ever form a dimple into the spoke
> holes after a year or so. I've had trouble with almost all rim tape doing
> that, then the tube gets little bubble at the dimple. The Velox type
> strips last much longer than plastic or rubber.
Well, let's see: That incident was three years ago. No problems
since. And come to think of it, no problems in the 15 or so years
before that, either.
> BTW I use 135psi tire pressure on my road bike.
Whoa.
I have a friend who claims to use 150 psi. or more. Personally, I keep
it at about 100 psi.
I'm sure rolling resistance can drop a bit with higher pressure, but
from what I read (and believe), that's true only if you're on extremely
smooth surfaces.
Consider: The ultimate in pressure would be equivalent to a steel
wheel with a thin rubber coating. If you were rolling on a smooth
steel rail, that might be great. But on a real road, you'd lose the
suspension effect that a flexible pneumatic tire provides. Any
irregularity would launch you into the air, losing the energy of
forward motion in the process.
So I use lower pressures than you, but I've never had a problem with my
Johnson & Johnson rim tape.
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 06 Nov 2006 09:02:43
From: Peter Cole
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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frkrygow@gmail.com wrote:
> di wrote:
>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote i:
>
>>> I used a
>>> double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
>>> wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
>>> brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
>>>
>> That's interesting, does the adhesive tape ever form a dimple into the spoke
>> holes after a year or so. I've had trouble with almost all rim tape doing
>> that, then the tube gets little bubble at the dimple. The Velox type
>> strips last much longer than plastic or rubber.
>
> Well, let's see: That incident was three years ago. No problems
> since. And come to think of it, no problems in the 15 or so years
> before that, either.
>
I've used medical tape as well, without any problems -- typical rims,
typical pressure.
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 19:53:32
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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David L. Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:46:00 -0800, landotter wrote:
>
> >> The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
> >> double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
> >> wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
> >> brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
> >>
> >
> > D'oh! How obvious and brilliant. I've got some in the bathroom. Why
> > couldn't I have thought of that?
>
> I don't see the advantage, since a roll of adhesive tape costs more than a
> roll of Velox rim tape, and while I'm sure the adhesive tape would work
> OK, the real rim tape would be at least as good, and probably easier,
> since you only have to use one layer.
>
> --
Uh, huh. The first aide tape I buy costs 99c for 5 meters. It's strong
enough to do one layer only. Just checked it out. That's 50c per wheel.
Velox is $4 at the LBS. No brainer. I never buy it, but now I'll use
the first aid stuff instead of electrical tape. I've always hated
Velox, as it seemed so ludicrous to have to buy cotton tape all the way
from France for the most basic of applications.
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 21:45:29
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:46:00 -0800, landotter wrote:
>> The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
>> double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
>> wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
>> brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
>>
>
> D'oh! How obvious and brilliant. I've got some in the bathroom. Why
> couldn't I have thought of that?
I don't see the advantage, since a roll of adhesive tape costs more than a
roll of Velox rim tape, and while I'm sure the adhesive tape would work
OK, the real rim tape would be at least as good, and probably easier,
since you only have to use one layer.
--
David L. Johnson
__o
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 21:43:29
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 18:25:17 -0600, di wrote:
>
> That's interesting, does the adhesive tape ever form a dimple into the spoke
> holes after a year or so. I've had trouble with almost all rim tape doing
> that, then the tube gets little bubble at the dimple. The Velox type
> strips last much longer than plastic or rubber. BTW I use 135psi tire
> pressure on my road bike.
No wonder you get a dimple over the spoke holes. That is a lot of
pressure; it must make for a rough ride. You might enjoy riding more with
a bit wider tire, and lower pressure.
--
David L. Johnson
__o
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 18:46:00
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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frkrygow@gmail.com wrote:
> daytoncapri wrote:
> >
> >
> > Anybody out there using duct tape?
>
> Only a couple times on a long tour, and then only to temporarily fix a
> person's bike who was getting flats with her brand new wheels.
>
> The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
> double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
> wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
> brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
>
D'oh! How obvious and brilliant. I've got some in the bathroom. Why
couldn't I have thought of that?
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 16:08:04
From:
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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daytoncapri wrote:
>
>
> Anybody out there using duct tape?
Only a couple times on a long tour, and then only to temporarily fix a
person's bike who was getting flats with her brand new wheels.
The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 05 Nov 2006 00:05:54
From: John Thompson
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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On 2006-11-04, frkrygow@gmail.com <frkrygow@gmail.com > wrote:
> The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
> double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
> wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
> brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
I've never found a double layer to be necessary. But if you want to get
really exotic, Johnson & Johnson makes a silk cloth adhesive tape.
--
John (john@os2.dhs.org)
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 18:25:17
From: di
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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<frkrygow@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162598883.998359.226570@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> daytoncapri wrote:
>>
>>
>> Anybody out there using duct tape?
>
> Only a couple times on a long tour, and then only to temporarily fix a
> person's bike who was getting flats with her brand new wheels.
>
> The permanent fix came when we got to the next pharmacy. I used a
> double layer of cloth adhesive tape (Johnson & Johnson brand), 1/2"
> wide. It works so well it's what I always use. I never bother with
> brand-name bike-specific stuff like Velox.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>
That's interesting, does the adhesive tape ever form a dimple into the spoke
holes after a year or so. I've had trouble with almost all rim tape doing
that, then the tube gets little bubble at the dimple. The Velox type
strips last much longer than plastic or rubber. BTW I use 135psi tire
pressure on my road bike.
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 14:30:11
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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Steve,
Since I am late to respond ... top posted to get you attention ... Many
of your responders have mentioned bike-specific self-adhesive tape
without coughing up a brand name, so I will ... cough ... cough ...
VELOX. I comes in different widths. I have tried just about every rim
strip that has become available over the years and have found none of
them to work as well as the old tried and true VELOX. There are only a
few wheels for which there is an exception, meaning that no rim tape is
necessary ... my Mavic Kysrium SL wheels for instance. Why? Because
they have no spoke holes. For the various reasons already given, if a
rim has spoke holes, rim tape is a must.
Jim McNaa
Steven wrote:
> Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
>
> I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
> change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
> to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
> Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
> use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
> glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
> etc.).
>
> The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
> to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
> doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all. Or it is mentioned
> as an afterthought (like on Sheldon's site).
>
> So *IS* rim tape simply an afterthought? Or is it truly necessary? I
> have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate
> if you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing
> rim tape.
>
> Steven
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 21:33:25
From: Jeremy Parker
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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"Steven" <mahadragon@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162482584.438352.287250@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
>
> I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how
> to
> change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never
> bothers
> to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb
> tires.
It is necessary, and therefore the tape will already be there, when
you take the old tyre and tube off.
Therefore you do not need to worry about it. The old tape will
continue to work perfectly well without being touched.
There is an exception to this: if somehow the rim gets bent, so a
spoke pokes through the rim tape into the tyre, causing a puncture,
then something might have to be done.
The first thing will be to unbend the wheel, which won't work too
well, but might get you home in case of emergency. You could then
move the rim tape so the poked through hole is not at any of the
holes in the rim.
In this scenario you probably won't be able to properly unbend the
wheel, and the rim will still be somewhat pushed in. The spoke will
then make another puncture.
Jeremy Parker
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 13:04:14
From:
Subject: Re: Newbie Answer: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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Ok I successfully change both my tires and I'm happy. :) I will also
answer my own question since nobody seems to be on it.
The rim tape was already inside the rim! All I had to do was change out
the tire. So that's the reason why nobody ever mentions it! It is
preinstalled (in many cases) and if it is properly installed, you never
have to deal with rim tape for the rest of your life.
If I may add, the Panaracer T-servs (slicks) are just that, slicks!
They really don't grab very well. I skidded along the sidewalk when I
tried to go up a bump at an angle. Not the big part of the curb mind
you, but the low portion that is lowered so that cars can go up their
driveway!
Steven
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 21:25:53
From: nash
Subject: Re: Newbie Answer: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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Everybody knows that is why.
Maybe you misunderstood your own question.
Everybody gave you answers at length.
you still have to use rim tape and that is your exact question.
Every good turn deserves punishment. and so on...
<stevenqrdh@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162501454.302289.225540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Ok I successfully change both my tires and I'm happy. :) I will also
> answer my own question since nobody seems to be on it.
>
> The rim tape was already inside the rim! All I had to do was change out
> the tire. So that's the reason why nobody ever mentions it! It is
> preinstalled (in many cases) and if it is properly installed, you never
> have to deal with rim tape for the rest of your life.
>
> If I may add, the Panaracer T-servs (slicks) are just that, slicks!
> They really don't grab very well. I skidded along the sidewalk when I
> tried to go up a bump at an angle. Not the big part of the curb mind
> you, but the low portion that is lowered so that cars can go up their
> driveway!
>
> Steven
>
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 11:38:37
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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daytoncapri wrote:
> Anybody out there using duct tape?
I've seen it used. Bad idea. The adhesive is gooey enough, and gets
even nastier with hot rims. Don't even think about it. I've been using
electrical tape since the 80s, and even blue painters tape in an
emergency. Several winds of either is essential.
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 19:05:59
From: daytoncapri
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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You're right - the need to rim tape it is NOT provided in typical
instructions. Do without, and the spoke end will poke into your tube, or if
your rims are double-walled, the access holes to the spokes will form cut
hole-shaped ks on your tube. Your tube won't get cut right away, it will
happen later, probably at a most inconvenient time for you.
If you buy a new wheelset, the tape is usually purchased separately - and
you have to know to order it.
Suggest that you should avoid the lower-grade oem-spec $1.00 rubber
rimstrips - even though such a strip held up for many years on one of my
bikes. The rim tape seems so much more convincingly safe.
Yes, you can use other stuff, like electical tape, fibre reinforced
packaging tape, medical adhesive tape, but why not spring for the extra
$2.50 (or less if you shop) for the peace of mind that comes with
bike-specific products.
Anybody out there using duct tape?
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 08:34:58
From: Pat Lamb
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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daytoncapri wrote:
> You're right - the need to rim tape it is NOT provided in typical
> instructions. Do without, and the spoke end will poke into your tube, or if
> your rims are double-walled, the access holes to the spokes will form cut
> hole-shaped ks on your tube. Your tube won't get cut right away, it will
> happen later, probably at a most inconvenient time for you.
>
> If you buy a new wheelset, the tape is usually purchased separately - and
> you have to know to order it.
>
> Suggest that you should avoid the lower-grade oem-spec $1.00 rubber
> rimstrips - even though such a strip held up for many years on one of my
> bikes. The rim tape seems so much more convincingly safe.
Have to agree with the recommendation, although my experience was less
salutary. Stretchy rubber or plastic rim strips led to flats after
15-24 months. Velox cloth tape, OTOH, still going strong after 6 years
or so.
Pat
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Date: 04 Nov 2006 06:58:00
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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Pat Lamb wrote:
>
>
> Have to agree with the recommendation, although my experience was less
> salutary. Stretchy rubber or plastic rim strips led to flats after
> 15-24 months. Velox cloth tape, OTOH, still going strong after 6 years
> or so.
>
>
I use Velox too, just because it is convenient. I have read this whole
thread to date and have to say it seems trivial to worry about the
difference between a .95 item and something that costs 2.95 if is going
to last years and thousands of miles. I have far more important and
equally trivial things to worry about. =]
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 19:38:09
From: Mike Kruger
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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"daytoncapri" <geisel@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:rkr2h.244$r12.185@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>
> Yes, you can use other stuff, like electical tape, fibre reinforced
> packaging tape, medical adhesive tape, but why not spring for the extra
> $2.50 (or less if you shop) for the peace of mind that comes with
> bike-specific products.
>
> Anybody out there using duct tape?
I used duct tape when a rubberized rim tape strip broke and I was out on the
road. This is one reason to keep some duct tape wound around your seat post
for emergencies. Duct tape works in emergencies, but there are much better
choices for a permanent solution. It doesn't have the right kind of
adhesive. It may dry out and harden and possibly be abrasive itself.
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 12:49:28
From: di
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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"Steven" <mahadragon@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1162482584.438352.287250@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
>
> I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
> change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
> to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
> Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
> use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
> glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
> etc.).
>
> The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
> to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
> doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all. Or it is mentioned
> as an afterthought (like on Sheldon's site).
>
> So *IS* rim tape simply an afterthought? Or is it truly necessary? I
> have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate
> if you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing
> rim tape.
>
> Steven
>
You don't have to use it, but if you don't be prepared to fix a lot of flat
tires.
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 12:41:04
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:49:44 -0800, Steven wrote:
> Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
>
> I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
> change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
> to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
> Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
> use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
> glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
> etc.).
1) It is necessary
2) Do not use baby powder
3) I prefer cloth, but good plastic tapes work also
4) The cloth ones are self-adhesive. Plastic ones usually are a loop,
and use no glue. This means you have to be a little careful not to move
the "tape" to the side when installing the tire, or else you might expose
a bit of the spoke hole, which will pop your tube.
> The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
> to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
> doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all.
Fixing a flat usually does not involve the rim tape, since it is already
there. You should check to make sure all the spoke holes are evenly
covered and that it isn't split (can happen with cheap plastic rim
strips).
It is the first step to installing a tire on a new wheel, though. There
are exceptions, wheels that don't have spoke holes inside, so don't need a
rim strip, but these are expensive, boutique wheels and probably are not
your issue right now.
> I
> have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate if
> you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing rim
> tape.
For the cloth tape, the beginning of the rolled-up tape will have a hole
that you put over the valve hole, then unwind and stick down to the inside
of the rim, covering the spoke holes. The tape should end up slightly
overlapping the beginning, but if you bought the right size it should be
pre-cut to fit that way. Shops sometimes have long rolls of tape, which
require you to not only cut it to size, but to cut the hole for the valve,
but your usual consumer tape is ready to go.
For a plastic strip, just slide it into place. Be sure it covers the
spoke holes as evenly as you can, and try not to push it to one side when
you put the tire on. Plastic strips, more than cloth, need to be checked
periodically to make sure they are not splitting over the spoke holes.
--
David L. Johnson
__o
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 15:35:04
From: Luke
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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In article <N_WdnUhOLNhdptfYUSdV9g@ptd.net >, David L. Johnson
<david.johnson@lehigh.edu > wrote:
<snip >
> For a plastic strip, just slide it into place. Be sure it covers the
> spoke holes as evenly as you can, and try not to push it to one side when
> you put the tire on. Plastic strips, more than cloth, need to be checked
> periodically to make sure they are not splitting over the spoke holes.
<snip >
Two more observations regarding the use of plastic rim tapes: a) be
attentive to the width of tape -- they are sold in different widths. An
excessively wide tape will curl up under the rim's hooks and possibly
interfere with seating of the tire; b) to assure the rim's and rim
tape's valve holes remain aligned when stretching the tape over the
rim, slip a chopstick or pencil through them during installation.
Luke
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 09:07:42
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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Paul Hobson wrote:
> Steven wrote:
> > Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
> >
> > I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
> > change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
> > to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
> > Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
> > use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
> > glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
> > etc.).
> >
> > The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
> > to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
> > doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all. Or it is mentioned
> > as an afterthought (like on Sheldon's site).
> >
> > So *IS* rim tape simply an afterthought? Or is it truly necessary? I
> > have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate
> > if you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing
> > rim tape.
>
> Rim tape is necessary. Without it, the tube will expand into the spoke
> hole and get punctured. I prefer the cloth, self adhesive tape. People
> on this NG have mentioned Veloplugs are working well too.
>
I never seem to have "proper" tape when I a set of wheels arrives in
the post, or I've built something up. So I end up using 3-4 winds of
electrical tape, as I've always got some of that handy. Never had it
fail. It is plastic, so you need several winds on a double wall rim.
Single wall rims, where you just want to protect the tube from the
spoke heads, may only need a couple winds.
When I buy the pre-made stuff, I prefer the fairly rigid plastic ones
that you stretch over the wheel. It's not romantic like Velox or
anything, but cheap, glueless, and easy to reuse and remove.
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 12:04:20
From: Ken C. M.
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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Steven wrote:
> Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
>
> I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
> change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
> to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
> Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
> use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
> glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
> etc.).
>
> The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
> to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
> doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all. Or it is mentioned
> as an afterthought (like on Sheldon's site).
>
> So *IS* rim tape simply an afterthought? Or is it truly necessary? I
> have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate
> if you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing
> rim tape.
>
> Steven
>
Yes it is a necessary item. Without it when your tube expands in the rim
and tire the tube will expand and rub on the spoke nipples and cause an
abrasion flat. There are at least a few different types available. I use
the rubber type. But have even heard of some people using duct tape. Use
whatever type you think looks best.
Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong
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Date: 03 Nov 2006 21:11:35
From: chuck
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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On 2006-11-02, Ken C. M. <ken@up-yours-spammer.net > wrote:
> Steven wrote:
>> Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
>>
>> I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
>> change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
>> to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
>> Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
>> use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
>> glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
>> etc.).
>>
>> The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
>> to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
>> doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all. Or it is mentioned
>> as an afterthought (like on Sheldon's site).
>>
>> So *IS* rim tape simply an afterthought? Or is it truly necessary? I
>> have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate
>> if you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing
>> rim tape.
>>
>> Steven
>>
> Yes it is a necessary item. Without it when your tube expands in the rim
> and tire the tube will expand and rub on the spoke nipples and cause an
> abrasion flat. There are at least a few different types available. I use
> the rubber type. But have even heard of some people using duct tape. Use
> whatever type you think looks best.
>
I got a new set of rims this year and put tubes and tires on and rode
about 3000 miles. When I decided it was time for new tires I noticed
there was no rim tape. Actually, I noticed the bulges on the tubes. So.
I bought rim tape and rode another 3000 on the same tubes. Lucky me. No
flats this year. Saying that, I'll probably get one tomorrow, at night
in the snow. I have no idea how many more miles I would have gotten
before a flat with no rim tape, but eventually it would have flatted.
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 16:49:05
From: Werehatrack
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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On 2 Nov 2006 07:49:44 -0800, "Steven" <mahadragon@gmail.com > wrote:
>Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
>
>I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
>change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
>to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
It is.
>Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
>use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
>glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
>etc.).
The type of tape and method of installation is mostly inconsequential;
as long as it stays where you put it (either by the action of
adhesives of through simple tension in the material) and effectively
keeps the tube out of the holes and/or off of the spoke heads, the
task is accomplished.
>The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
>to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
>doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all. Or it is mentioned
>as an afterthought (like on Sheldon's site).
Not an afterthought, but rather such a commonplace that no one thinks
they need to mention it. It's like tying your shoes before you walk.
Leave out the step and you'll discover the reason why you shouldn't.
>So *IS* rim tape simply an afterthought?
No.
> Or is it truly necessary?
Yes.
>I
>have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate
>if you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing
>rim tape.
Do it however it works for you. This isn't rocket science.
--
Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
Some gardening required to reply via email.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.
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Date: 02 Nov 2006 11:03:35
From: Paul Hobson
Subject: Re: Newbie Question: Do I *Have* To Use Rim Tape?
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Steven wrote:
> Can't find a simple answer to this simple question.
>
> I've been doing research on Sheldon Brown's and other sites on how to
> change a flat tire. Sheldon briefly mentions rim tape but never bothers
> to explain whether it's necessary or not to use it on 26" mtb tires.
> Nor can I find information on the best way to install rim tape (do I
> use baby powder, is it better to use plastic or cloth, is it better to
> glue it on or find rim tape with self adhesive, potential problems,
> etc.).
>
> The whole reason I'm asking is because if you do a search online on how
> to fix a flat or just install a new set of wheels (which is what I'm
> doing) often times rim tape is not mentioned at all. Or it is mentioned
> as an afterthought (like on Sheldon's site).
>
> So *IS* rim tape simply an afterthought? Or is it truly necessary? I
> have yet to find one site (and if you find one I'd greatly appreciate
> if you'd post it here) that explains - THE simple step - of installing
> rim tape.
Rim tape is necessary. Without it, the tube will expand into the spoke
hole and get punctured. I prefer the cloth, self adhesive tape. People
on this NG have mentioned Veloplugs are working well too.
\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
.:change the f to ph to reply:.
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