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Date: 13 Sep 2006 16:11:39
From: Chris Z The Wheelman
Subject: Rebel with a cause?

OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
it / they work(s) great?

I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
five more complete sets in storage).

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Date: 20 Sep 2006 20:56:32
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Date: 22 Sep 2006 20:07:22
From: Chris Y.F.N.W.
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Group: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2006, 8:56pm (EDT-3)
From: sunsetss0003@yahoo.com (Johnny=A0Sunset=A0aka=A0Tom=A0Sherman)

>My favorite bicycle [1] as a whole fits
>this category.
>[1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/sunset/Sunset001.jpg>.

>--

>Tom Sherman - Here, not there.

Interesting 'bent. What's that sticking up from the crank spindle shell
("bottom bracket")?

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Date: 18 Sep 2006 07:18:45
From: Peter Cole
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Date: 18 Sep 2006 15:05:36
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:18:45 -0400, Peter Cole
<peter_cole@comcast.net > wrote:

>Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
>> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
>> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
>> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
>> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
>> it / they work(s) great?
>
>I use as many MTB components on my road bikes as possible (cheaper,
>stronger). I also use only "touring" frames (although I don't tour --
>stronger, better geometry).
>
>Perhaps my most controversial belief is that frames really don't matter
>much. I have bikes with expensive frames and very cheap ones and find
>the difference to be so subtle as to leave me ambivalent as to which
>ones I ride.

Perhaps the ride from the touring geometry itself takes out any big
differences.

Date: 17 Sep 2006 00:48:23
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>
> "Or oval crank-busters" is just plain wrong, like Julie Andrews
> singing "Cocaine that stays on my nose and eyelashes."

I die.

Chalo

Date: 16 Sep 2006 23:44:08
From:
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chalo wrote:
> Dane Buson wrote:
> >
> > Chalo wrote:
> > >
> > > Drum brakes and those that are Self-Energizing,
> > > BMX bars and some others high-rising,
> > > Seven-speed freewheels with single chainrings,
> > > These are a few of my favorite things;
> > >
> > > Great big flat pedals, four-finger brake levers,
> > > Sealed bearing hubsets that roll on forever,
> > > Gigantic triple-rail saddles with springs,
> > > These are a few of my favorite things!
> >
> > Heh, very cute. I suppose Rohloff was a little too hard to rhyme?
>
> That, and things like "eccentric adjusting bottom brackets" and "welded
> tubular chromoly cranks" that didn't fit the meter. I could go on and
> on with the equipment choices that work for me but don't seem to
> attract others.
>
> Chalo

Dear Chalo,

Fourteen-speed Rohloffs
And eccentric adjusters
Aren't just for showoffs
Or oval crank-busters.

Chrome-moly is sturdy,
Reliability it brings,
But we mustn't be wordy
About our favorite things.

When the tire's flat,
When the chain skips,
When I'm feeling sad,
I simply remember that it's just RBT,
And then I don't feel so bad.

Cheers,

Rodgers & Hammerstein

Date: 17 Sep 2006 01:02:36
From:
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On 16 Sep 2006 23:44:08 -0700, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:

>
>Chalo wrote:
>> Dane Buson wrote:
>> >
>> > Chalo wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Drum brakes and those that are Self-Energizing,
>> > > BMX bars and some others high-rising,
>> > > Seven-speed freewheels with single chainrings,
>> > > These are a few of my favorite things;
>> > >
>> > > Great big flat pedals, four-finger brake levers,
>> > > Sealed bearing hubsets that roll on forever,
>> > > Gigantic triple-rail saddles with springs,
>> > > These are a few of my favorite things!
>> >
>> > Heh, very cute. I suppose Rohloff was a little too hard to rhyme?
>>
>> That, and things like "eccentric adjusting bottom brackets" and "welded
>> tubular chromoly cranks" that didn't fit the meter. I could go on and
>> on with the equipment choices that work for me but don't seem to
>> attract others.
>>
>> Chalo
>
>Dear Chalo,
>
>Fourteen-speed Rohloffs
> And eccentric adjusters
>Aren't just for showoffs
> Or oval crank-busters.
>
>Chrome-moly is sturdy,
> Reliability it brings,
>But we mustn't be wordy
> About our favorite things.
>
>When the tire's flat,
>When the chain skips,
>When I'm feeling sad,
>I simply remember that it's just RBT,
>And then I don't feel so bad.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Rodgers & Hammerstein

"Or oval crank-busters" is just plain wrong, like Julie Andrews
singing "Cocaine that stays on my nose and eyelashes."

The line should read "Or square-taper busters."

R & H

Date: 14 Sep 2006 19:57:26
From:
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
> it / they work(s) great?

I'm not in the same as, say, Brian, but here's my list. Most are on my
commuter, but some are on multiple bikes:

Lugged steel.
Generator
Two headlamps. Switcheable and steerable - they pivot when I swing a
lever on the handlebars. And switchable taillight.
Handlebar bag. Huge and homemade.
Fenders.
Bar cons, by SunTour.
SunTour derailleurs and cogs.
Half-step gearing. 5 cogs in back.
Carradice bag.
Rear rack.
Until recently, extension brake levers on my commuter. (I've switched
to "interrupters.")
Bell. Not the foam hat, the warning device.
Cotton cap with flip-up brim - seldom used.
Eyeglass mirror, home made.

Oh - and perched atop the saddle, an old, semi-retired body. Still
works, more or less. ;-)

- Frank Krygowski

Date: 14 Sep 2006 17:04:19
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Dane Buson wrote:
>
> Chalo wrote:
> >
> > Drum brakes and those that are Self-Energizing,
> > BMX bars and some others high-rising,
> > Seven-speed freewheels with single chainrings,
> > These are a few of my favorite things;
> >
> > Great big flat pedals, four-finger brake levers,
> > Sealed bearing hubsets that roll on forever,
> > Gigantic triple-rail saddles with springs,
> > These are a few of my favorite things!
>
> Heh, very cute. I suppose Rohloff was a little too hard to rhyme?

That, and things like "eccentric adjusting bottom brackets" and "welded
tubular chromoly cranks" that didn't fit the meter. I could go on and
on with the equipment choices that work for me but don't seem to
attract others.

Chalo

Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:47:31
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman <dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net > wrote:
> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
> it / they work(s) great?

I'm sort of disappointed with the replies. I was expecting tales of
packing hubs with peanut butter [1], inflating ones tires with jam, and
riding sidesaddle on a loaf of good crusty bread.

I don't think my choices are all that weird, but I suppose I can throw
out a list.

Barcons - Not a big STI fan - MTB trigger shifters are nice though
Carradice bag - I have actually gotten quite a bit of ribbing about this [3]
Dynohub - It just keeps running and running [2]
Fenders - It's Seattle - definitely not weird here
'Tandem' rear wheel - 48 spokes of double butted goodness

The grocery bike is an Xtracycle - which is a little odd I suppose, it's
a dirt standard MTB otherwise.

[1] Smooth, not crunchy - lets be serious.
[2] Much better than buying a new rechargable every year.
[3] My coworkers on the other hand have bought three since I showed them
how nice mine was.

--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
USENET would be a better laboratory is there were more labor and less oratory.
-- Elizabeth Haley

Date: 14 Sep 2006 15:09:16
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

R Brickston wrote:
> On 13 Sep 2006 16:27:25 -0700, "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
> >> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> >> machines that is controversial?
> >
> >I've been using cheap house brand tires from the "big two" for years
> >and years, despite being told "you get what you pay for." *In my
> >experience* they've been just as decent as big brands for my type of
> >riding.
>
> I heard that some of the Performance brand's were made by Panaracer.

The Nashbar Prima II, which I think is just a fabulous tire for
training and general use, is made by the honorable Cheng Shin. :-P
Never checked the sidewall of the last set of Performance mtb slicks I
had, as I sold the bike, but the quality rivaled any name brand for
$25, and were $8 on sale. Never a flat, something I can't say for the
otherwise nice Slickasaurus at 3x the price.

Date: 14 Sep 2006 13:44:03
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Date: 17 Sep 2006 07:25:59
From: Earl Bollinger
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1158266642.960957.270450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
>> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
>> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
>> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
>> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
>> it / they work(s) great?
>
> Drum brakes and those that are Self-Energizing,
> BMX bars and some others high-rising,
> Seven-speed freewheels with single chainrings,
> These are a few of my favorite things;
>
> Great big flat pedals, four-finger brake levers,
> Sealed bearing hubsets that roll on forever,
> Gigantic triple-rail saddles with springs,
> These are a few of my favorite things!
>
> Chalo
>

A Huffy Three Speed bike with a Brooks sprung saddle, rear coaster brake,
riser pull back bars, steel frame, steel kickstand, steel rims, big front
and rear Wald metal baskets, with fenders too.

Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:49:11
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote:
> Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
>> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
>> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
>> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
>> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
>> it / they work(s) great?
>
> Drum brakes and those that are Self-Energizing,
> BMX bars and some others high-rising,
> Seven-speed freewheels with single chainrings,
> These are a few of my favorite things;
>
> Great big flat pedals, four-finger brake levers,
> Sealed bearing hubsets that roll on forever,
> Gigantic triple-rail saddles with springs,
> These are a few of my favorite things!

Heh, very cute. I suppose Rohloff was a little too hard to rhyme?

--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"I brought the atom bomb. I think it's a good time to use it."
-MST3K

Date: 14 Sep 2006 11:44:29
From: Marz
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
> it / they work(s) great?
>
> I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
> say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
> five more complete sets in storage).
>
> - -
> Comments and opinions compliments of,
> "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> My web Site:
> http://geocities.com/czcorner
>
> To E-mail me:
> ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

Single speed full sus, a pure momentum bike. And using old inner tube
as a chain guard, I've always felt it's better than those stick on
things.

Cheers,

cus

Date: 14 Sep 2006 06:17:34
From: Buck
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
> it / they work(s) great?
>
> I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
> say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
> five more complete sets in storage).

Every bike I own has something controversial. The single-speed has bear
traps with toe clips. My urban commuter do-it-all bike is a mtb frame
with front suspension, slicks, and *gasp* fenders. I currently don't
own a fully-operational bike that doesn't have fenders.

-Buck

Date: 13 Sep 2006 22:25:39
From: Brian
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Oh MAN...where do I start?

On the commuter:
-Bio pace rings
-Dia-Compe center-pulls (I even had a set of those red India Rubber pads!)
-"Moose" bar ends
-A trusty but rusty wire rack.
-An old bottle genny.
-Toe Clips (plastic even!)
-One of those saddles with the built-in blinkie that won't work...
-Generic black Cheng Shin tires (27 x 1 1/4")
-AND a generic aluminum kickstand.
In fact, the only "cool" parts on the whole thing are the Planet Bike
"Freddy Fenders".

On the ATB:
-Sugino Oval Tech rings
-Bar ends.
-The biggest ass saddle you ever saw, topped with a Bell Gel cover.
-Spring (that's right, SPRING) suspension forks. With chrome.

I'm so uncool, it's kinda cool...

B.

Date: 20 Sep 2006 12:06:11
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Andrew Price wrote:
> On 19 Sep 2006 22:33:06 -0700, "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I use 90w gear oil mixed 1:1 with paint thinner
>
> What is the advantage of thinning down the 90w, rather than just using
> straight 30w?

The solvent cleans as it lubes, and also allows better penetration,
then the carrier evaporates, leaving a thicker film that stays put a
long time. Downside: it's certainly a bit messy to apply.

>
> >to lube the chains on
> >my utility bikes that have chain guards.
>
> What do you use on your bikes without chain guards?

Usually the same thing, unless it's a city scoot that gets ridden in
pants, then I go for White Lightning. If I bother to degrease the whole
enchilada when cleaning any bike, I'll sometimes do the WL thing for a
while. I like the eerie quiet it gives for the first miles. Picked up a
bottle for peanuts, or I'd never have used wax.

The oil:thinner thing I picked up from the group, though I use thicker
oil, and it's quite excellent. Dirt cheap and makes you feel like
you're sticking it to the man! Works a treat to lube hair clippers, oil
hinges, and probably treats psoriasis.

Just remember to wipe external surfaces bone-dry after application, and
you'll attract very little dirt.

Date: 19 Sep 2006 22:33:06
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris BeHanna wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:49:19 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:14:28 -0400, dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net
> > (none of your business) wrote, in part:
> > \
> >>Both bike's bearings are packed with waterproof boat trailer wheel
> >>bearing grease (don't know how "controversial that is) and the chains
> >>are lubed with hot melt paraffin.
> >
> > Boat trailer grease is good stuff for this wet coastal climate. I
> > don't see how it's much different than Park's green goop.
> > I use chainsaw bar-oil for chains. Looks like Phil's to me.
>
> Chainsaw bar oil is pretty sticky stuff. Doesn't it attract grit?
>
> I've been using Pro-Link. It seems to work pretty well, and has the
> bonus of not being sticky, so the chain doesn't attract a lot of crap.
>
> > I find it funny that anyone would question the efficacy of either of
> > these everyday products. Perhaps their views are biased by the
> > commoness, lack of hype and low cost of the products.
>
> The same phenomenon occurs in the motorcycle world. Nearly every
> bike's owner's manual recommends lubricating the chain with 90-weight, yet
> people persist in buying expensive, sticky, crap-attracting boutique lubes
> that come in spray cans. I get by just fine with a small, clear,
> twist-top mustard bottle full of 90-weight, and my chain is lasting a
> very, very long time.
>
> I have wondered if 90-weight (or perhaps straight 30-weight instead)
> would be a suitable lubricant for a bicycle chain. It lubricates well and
> is not sticky; therefore, it shouldn't attract grit. At worst, it just
> needs to be renewed every once in awhile and after riding in the rain.
>
I use 90w gear oil mixed 1:1 with paint thinner to lube the chains on
my utility bikes that have chain guards. I gently rub it on with a
toothbrush, with newspaper underneath of course, and the mix drips off
the nasty grit and replaces it with oil after the carrier evaporates.
Five minutes every few months. Certainly wipe the chain dry on the
outside after doing this. Cheep, and you get a silent chain. I couldn't
care less about chain wear one way or another, these bikes are low
miles, and just need to be quieted.

I like the mustard bottle concept! <g >

Date: 20 Sep 2006 20:19:09
From: Andrew Price
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On 19 Sep 2006 22:33:06 -0700, "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com >
wrote:

> I use 90w gear oil mixed 1:1 with paint thinner

What is the advantage of thinning down the 90w, rather than just using
straight 30w?

>to lube the chains on
>my utility bikes that have chain guards.

What do you use on your bikes without chain guards?

Date: 16 Sep 2006 23:14:28
From: none of your business
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

since other's are making lists, here goes:

On my tourer (as if the fact that it's an expedition style touring bike
isn't enough):

Lugged steel (Columbus) Schwinn frame.
The aforementioned chainrings, in a half-step granny configuration no
less.
UniGlide cogs.
Bar-Con shifters.
Box-channel rims.
Square taper cranks.

AND, when I tour, I use a full set of racks and panniers to carry my
camping equipment

(I don't consider the Brooks B-17 as "unpopular")

On My MTB:

Hardtail frame.
Friction thumbshifter (front).
Yet another square taper crank (had to look hard for that one).
Bar ends (Cane Creek "ergo"s, not quite as radical as the old bull
horns).

Both bike's bearings are packed with waterproof boat trailer wheel
bearing grease (don't know how "controversial that is) and the chains
are lubed with hot melt paraffin.

Rebellious enough? ;-3)

- -
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"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

My web Site:
http://geocities.com/czcorner

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Date: 17 Sep 2006 21:58:53
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:14:28 -0400, dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net
(none of your business) wrote:
>On my tourer (as if the fact that it's an expedition style touring bike
>isn't enough):

...

>AND, when I tour, I use a full set of racks and panniers to carry my
>camping equipment
>
>(I don't consider the Brooks B-17 as "unpopular")

On the local bike club's century yesterday, I was comparing my (new)
tourer with a friend's home-made, 30 year old bike. I commented my
B-17 probably added a full pound to my bike weight, and his response
was, "You have a Brooks?! You, me, and my friend here probably have
the only three Brooks on this whole ride!"

Pat

Email address works as is.

Date: 16 Sep 2006 20:49:19
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:14:28 -0400, dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net
(none of your business) wrote, in part:
\
>Both bike's bearings are packed with waterproof boat trailer wheel
>bearing grease (don't know how "controversial that is) and the chains
>are lubed with hot melt paraffin.

Boat trailer grease is good stuff for this wet coastal climate. I
don't see how it's much different than Park's green goop.
I use chainsaw bar-oil for chains. Looks like Phil's to me.

I find it funny that anyone would question the efficacy of either of
these everyday products. Perhaps their views are biased by the
commoness, lack of hype and low cost of the products.
--
zk

Date: 20 Sep 2006 14:58:04
From: Chris Y.F.N.W.
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Group: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Sat, Sep 16, 2006, 8:49pm (EDT-3)
From: zootkatz@operamail.com (Zoot=A0Katz)

>Boat trailer grease is good stuff for this
>wet coastal climate. I don't see how it's
>much different than Park's green goop. I
>use chainsaw bar-oil for chains. Looks
>like Phil's to me.
>--
>zk

I don't live on the coast, but the Carolina's can be almost as bad,
wet-wise. As for Park's green goop, it's probably just as good, but
B.T.grease does the job for much le$$.

- -
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"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"

My web Site:
http://geocities.com/czcorner

To E-mail me:
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Date: 20 Sep 2006 00:19:17
From: Chris BeHanna
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:49:19 -0700, Zoot Katz wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 23:14:28 -0400, dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net
> (none of your business) wrote, in part:
> \
>>Both bike's bearings are packed with waterproof boat trailer wheel
>>bearing grease (don't know how "controversial that is) and the chains
>>are lubed with hot melt paraffin.
>
> Boat trailer grease is good stuff for this wet coastal climate. I
> don't see how it's much different than Park's green goop.
> I use chainsaw bar-oil for chains. Looks like Phil's to me.

Chainsaw bar oil is pretty sticky stuff. Doesn't it attract grit?

I've been using Pro-Link. It seems to work pretty well, and has the
bonus of not being sticky, so the chain doesn't attract a lot of crap.

> I find it funny that anyone would question the efficacy of either of
> these everyday products. Perhaps their views are biased by the
> commoness, lack of hype and low cost of the products.

The same phenomenon occurs in the motorcycle world. Nearly every
bike's owner's manual recommends lubricating the chain with 90-weight, yet
people persist in buying expensive, sticky, crap-attracting boutique lubes
that come in spray cans. I get by just fine with a small, clear,
twist-top mustard bottle full of 90-weight, and my chain is lasting a
very, very long time.

I have wondered if 90-weight (or perhaps straight 30-weight instead)
would be a suitable lubricant for a bicycle chain. It lubricates well and
is not sticky; therefore, it shouldn't attract grit. At worst, it just
needs to be renewed every once in awhile and after riding in the rain.

--
Chris BeHanna

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Date: 20 Sep 2006 16:44:03
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 00:19:17 -0400, Chris BeHanna <chris@behanna.org >
wrote, in part:

>> I use chainsaw bar-oil for chains. Looks like Phil's to me.
>
> Chainsaw bar oil is pretty sticky stuff. Doesn't it attract grit?
>
> I've been using Pro-Link. It seems to work pretty well, and has the
>bonus of not being sticky, so the chain doesn't attract a lot of crap.

Being sticky, it stays where you put it. I wipe off the side plates
after I oil the chain, one link at a time.

It doesn't attract crap any more than wax attracts crap.

I'll sometimes need to scrape crud off the jockey wheels before
lubricating the chain, but I had to do that with the boutique
products as well.

I'm not slagging expensive lubricants. I just stopped buying them
when I found that bar oil does the same thing, only better, IMO.

. . . and it was free.
--
zk

Date: 17 Sep 2006 09:02:56
From: Roger Houston
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

"Zoot Katz" <zootkatz@operamail.com > wrote in message
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> I find it funny that anyone would question the efficacy of either of
> these everyday products. Perhaps their views are biased by the
> commoness, lack of hype and low cost of the products.

Not to mention their total lack of mojo.

Date: 13 Sep 2006 20:38:46
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Date: 14 Sep 2006 02:02:12
From: mark
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
> it / they work(s) great?
>
> I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
> say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
> five more complete sets in storage).
>
> - -
> Comments and opinions compliments of,
> "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> My web Site:
> http://geocities.com/czcorner
>
> To E-mail me:
> ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
>
Do fenders qualify? I was on my way in to work one day on a bike
equipped with fenders, rack, fat touring tires, etc., and someone on a
Litespeed cross bike pulled up alongside me and said "pretty fast for a
bike with fenders". I got on his wheel for a quick rest, then sprinted
past him. Unfortunately I didn't come up with a good retort until after
I got to work.

k

Date: 16 Sep 2006 22:58:18
From: none of your business
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Group: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Thu, Sep 14, 2006, 2:02am (EDT+4)
From: kfelber@earthlink.net (k)

>Unfortunately I didn't come up with a
>good retort until after I got to work.

>k

Your retort sounded pretty good to me ;-3)

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Date: 17 Sep 2006 22:57:54
From: mark
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

none of your business wrote:
> Group: rec.bicycles.misc
> Date: Thu, Sep 14, 2006, 2:02am (EDT+4)
> From: kfelber@earthlink.net (k)
>
>> Unfortunately I didn't come up with a
>> good retort until after I got to work.
>
>> k
>
> Your retort sounded pretty good to me ;-3)
>
> - -
> Comments and opinions compliments of,
> "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
What I wish I had said was "You'd go faster if you got some fenders". My
best lines are always the ones I think up when the moment has passed.
k

Date: 14 Sep 2006 12:35:53
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

k wrote:
>
> Do fenders qualify? I was on my way in to work one day on a bike
> equipped with fenders, rack, fat touring tires, etc., and someone on a
> Litespeed cross bike pulled up alongside me and said "pretty fast for a
> bike with fenders". I got on his wheel for a quick rest, then sprinted
> past him. Unfortunately I didn't come up with a good retort until after
> I got to work.
>
>

I get smoked by big tire bikes sometimes. I respect anybody who can
haul around that little bit of extra hardware at road bike speeds. =]

Date: 14 Sep 2006 04:56:59
From: mark
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

k wrote:
> Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
>> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
>> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
>> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
>> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
>> it / they work(s) great?
>>
>> I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
>> say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
>> five more complete sets in storage).
>>
>> - -
>> Comments and opinions compliments of,
>> "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>>
>> My web Site:
>> http://geocities.com/czcorner
>>
>> To E-mail me:
>> ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net
>>
> Do fenders qualify? I was on my way in to work one day on a bike
> equipped with fenders, rack, fat touring tires, etc., and someone on a
> Litespeed cross bike pulled up alongside me and said "pretty fast for a
> bike with fenders". I got on his wheel for a quick rest, then sprinted
> past him. Unfortunately I didn't come up with a good retort until after
> I got to work.
>
> k
Judging from the other posts, I guess anything "retro" or hopelessly
outdated seems to qualify. So I've got bar cons, shellacked handlebar
tape, lights (no one else in this area use them on the road) and an all
leather saddle (Brooks Colt on one bike, B17 on another). Oh yeah, 3
lugged steel frames and 1 fillet brazed steel frame, and three bikes
with friction shifting only.
k

Date: 14 Sep 2006 02:01:22
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:11:39 -0400, dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net
(Chris Z The Wheelman) wrote:

>OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
>machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
>World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
>regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
>it / they work(s) great?
>
>I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
>say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
>five more complete sets in storage).
>
> - -
>Comments and opinions compliments of,
>"Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
>My web Site:
>http://geocities.com/czcorner
>
>To E-mail me:
>ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

Bar end shifters.

Date: 13 Sep 2006 16:41:17
From:
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
> World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
> regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
> it / they work(s) great?
>
> I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
> say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
> five more complete sets in storage).
>
> - -
> Comments and opinions compliments of,
> "Your Friendly Neighborhood Wheelman"
>
> My web Site:
> http://geocities.com/czcorner
>
> To E-mail me:
> ChrisZCorner "at" webtv "dot" net

I've been using Airfree Tires (Airfreetires.com) on the bike I ride
most frequently and have logged over 5K happy miles, with NO problems,
despite what the 'experts' tell me about them.

Lewis.

******

Date: 13 Sep 2006 23:36:44
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe
> Cycling World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to
> use anyway regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know
> from experience it / they work(s) great?
>
> I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
> say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
> five more complete sets in storage).

I used to use bar-ends on a "riser"-type handlebar. I rather liked the hand
positions offered, AND the fact that it's considered a no-no. (Plus it
looked cool -- kinda like a bull :) )

Date: 13 Sep 2006 16:27:25
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
> machines that is controversial?

I've been using cheap house brand tires from the "big two" for years
and years, despite being told "you get what you pay for." *In my
experience* they've been just as decent as big brands for my type of
riding.

Oh, and I use three winds of 'lectric tape instead of Velox, as when I
go buy it, my brain goes, "f*** me, $5 for a roll of cotton!?" :-P

Date: 16 Sep 2006 22:55:13
From: none of your business
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Group: rec.bicycles.misc
Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2006, 10:18pm (EDT+4)
From: l.lichtman@worldnet.att.net (Leo=A0Lichtman)

>I have a set of elliptical chainrings on
>one of my mountain bikes, and they are
>great. But they are different from
>Biopace.

Would those just happen to be Durham (as in Roger Durham) ellipticals? I
knew him (hae was a member of my last bike club), and he still rides and
swears by them

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Date: 14 Sep 2006 01:58:47
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On 13 Sep 2006 16:27:25 -0700, "landotter" <landotter@gmail.com >
wrote:

>
>Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:
>> OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
>> machines that is controversial?
>
>I've been using cheap house brand tires from the "big two" for years
>and years, despite being told "you get what you pay for." *In my
>experience* they've been just as decent as big brands for my type of
>riding.

I heard that some of the Performance brand's were made by Panaracer.
>
>Oh, and I use three winds of 'lectric tape instead of Velox, as when I
>go buy it, my brain goes, "f*** me, $5 for a roll of cotton!?" :-P

Date: 13 Sep 2006 16:23:05
From:
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

Chris Z The Wheelman wrote:

<snip >

I prefer to ride singletrack on an unsuspended
bicycle. It's kind of rare any more to see people with
hardtails, let alone rigid forks.

Robert

Date: 13 Sep 2006 23:20:57
From: Werehatrack
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:11:39 -0400, dedendaddy4spammers@webtv.net
(Chris Z The Wheelman) wrote:

>OK, who here has a component (or components) on at least one of their
>machines that is controversial? One that a good portion of "Tthe Cycling
>World" (note quotes) condemns, but you stubbornly continue to use anyway
>regardless of what anyone else thinks because you know from experience
>it / they work(s) great?
>
>I personally have quite a few (I'm a real rebel), but I would have to
>say the "most hated" are the BioPace rings on my tourer (I even have
>five more complete sets in storage).

Suspension fork and flat bars on a skinny-tired streetie. Oh, and
it'll have BioPace rings next week, if I have time to fiddle with it
before then.

(I don't use 'em, but I see plenty of unrepentant users of toe clips
around here, too.)
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Date: 14 Sep 2006 03:22:35
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

In article <ne4hg2lagn60riucesb6cb906uatcpcdr5@4ax.com >, rault00
@earthWEEDSlink.net says...
>
> (I don't use 'em, but I see plenty of unrepentant users of toe clips
> around here, too.)

Sure, steal my post.

--

__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)

Date: 13 Sep 2006 22:18:58
From: Leo Lichtman
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

"Chris Z The Wheelman" wrote: (clip)I would have to say the "most hated"
are the BioPace rings on my tourer (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I have a set of elliptical chainrings on one of my mountain bikes, and they
are great. But they are different from Biopace. The major (long) axis of
Biopace rings is about 90 degrees away from where it should be.

I have a kick stand on my main bike, even though I know it weights a bunch
of grams. Kuz I ride to flea kets a lot, and I am tired of the hassle of
laying the bike down, or holding it with one hand, or leaning it on
someone's display table.

Date: 13 Sep 2006 16:10:52
From: Diablo Scott
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?

I sawed the brake bridge off my fixie. I asked around for opinions
beforehand and got every answer imaginable from "you'll surely die" to
"no biggie". Needed to do it to get that 32mm tire in there. Ultra low
res photo:

http://tinyurl.com/kvdcr

Date: 13 Sep 2006 14:13:08
From:
Subject: Re: Rebel with a cause?