Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

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Date: 26 Aug 2007 20:21:44
From: Artemisia
Subject: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.

I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
it all go?

From my experiences with Beth, I've decided that I really don't like
dynamos, because you become invisible when you most need to be seen: at
a stop in traffic! Fly has an excellent light by Cateye with five bright
LCD beams, that runs off 5 AA batteries. But it's a big hoiky thing and
I can't see getting two of them between my bum and the bars.

It would be preferable to have lights on both sides of me, since I will
now be a wide vehicle. Rob at Westcountry had that super-expensive
system on his Greenspeed that uses rechargeable battery packs. But that
was £500 just in lighting, and too expensive for me in addition to the
rest of the purchase, which will already clean me out for many months.

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 29 Aug 2007 03:13:07
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

On 29 ao=FBt, 08:57, Tony Raven <j...@raven-family.invalid > wrote:

> Trice with a roll bar!! ;-)

That's smart - must make it much easier to walk. Puts me in mind of a
supermarket trolley, though. (And not much use for Airzound, computer,
etc....)

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 29 Aug 2007 12:15:00
From: Geoff Lane
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Artemisia <e.roselli@free.fr > wrote in news:1188382387.620741.23610@
50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

> That's smart - must make it much easier to walk. Puts me in mind of a
> supermarket trolley, though. (And not much use for Airzound, computer,
> etc....)

Computer (wireless) could fit on the left mirror stalk with the transmitter
on the left wheel; airzound on right mirror stalk (scroll down
http://home.comcast.net/~vulcan751/toys.html to see how one owner's done
it)

WRT the etc... brakes, shifters, and mirrors as per standard fit.

HTH,

--
Geoff

Date: 29 Aug 2007 03:08:51
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

On 29 ao=FBt, 08:01, Phil Cook <p...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk > wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> This would be great and fantastic if A was getting a front derailleur
> equipped Scorpion. In fact she's getting the SRAM Dual Drive which
> comes with a plain front end.

Thanks for catching that. I'm so dazzled by all this science I didn't
even notice. Yes, SRAM Dualdrive, but also a front shifter since I
want all 81 gears. Don't know what it looks like, though.

> I think she could specify a boom with a derailleur post though if she
> wants the computer wotsit real estate.

I'll be speaking to my dealer this weekend to sort all these options
out.

Thanks,

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 29 Aug 2007 05:24:05
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

"Artemisia" <e.roselli@free.fr > wrote in message
news:1188382131.247253.267350@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On 29 août, 08:01, Phil Cook <p...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk > wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> This would be great and fantastic if A was getting a front derailleur
> equipped Scorpion. In fact she's getting the SRAM Dual Drive which
> comes with a plain front end.

Thanks for catching that. I'm so dazzled by all this science I didn't
even notice. Yes, SRAM Dualdrive, but also a front shifter since I
want all 81 gears. Don't know what it looks like, though.

> I think she could specify a boom with a derailleur post though if she
> wants the computer wotsit real estate.

I'll be speaking to my dealer this weekend to sort all these options
out.

Thanks,

EFR
Ile de France

Edward Dolan wrote:

My God! It is too good to be true - a Frenchman for me to fuck!

I will keep on eye on this Artemisia and if he strays off-topic however
slightly, I will kill him. I have been waiting for ages to get my claws into
a Frenchman.

Tom Sherman of course is a Frenchman in spirit himself, ever traitorous to
America and Western Civilization.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Aug 2007 19:01:31
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
> "Artemisia" <e.roselli@free.fr> wrote in message
> news:1188382131.247253.267350@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
> On 29 août, 08:01, Phil Cook <p...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> This would be great and fantastic if A was getting a front derailleur
>> equipped Scorpion. In fact she's getting the SRAM Dual Drive which
>> comes with a plain front end.
>
> Thanks for catching that. I'm so dazzled by all this science I didn't
> even notice. Yes, SRAM Dualdrive, but also a front shifter since I
> want all 81 gears. Don't know what it looks like, though.
>
>> I think she could specify a boom with a derailleur post though if she
>> wants the computer wotsit real estate.
>
> I'll be speaking to my dealer this weekend to sort all these options
> out.
>
> Thanks,
>
> EFR
> Ile de France
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> My God! It is too good to be true - a Frenchman for me to fuck!
>
> I will keep on eye on this Artemisia and if he strays off-topic however
> slightly, I will kill him. I have been waiting for ages to get my claws into
> a Frenchman.

He? He? HE? "Artemisia" is neither French nor a man. Please pay attention.

> Tom Sherman of course is a Frenchman in spirit himself, ever traitorous to
> America and Western Civilization.

[Yawn]

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Date: 30 Aug 2007 02:57:09
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com > wrote in message
news:46d5fcd0$0$7122$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
>> "Artemisia" <e.roselli@free.fr> wrote in message
>> news:1188382131.247253.267350@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>> On 29 août, 08:01, Phil Cook <p...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> This would be great and fantastic if A was getting a front derailleur
>>> equipped Scorpion. In fact she's getting the SRAM Dual Drive which
>>> comes with a plain front end.
>>
>> Thanks for catching that. I'm so dazzled by all this science I didn't
>> even notice. Yes, SRAM Dualdrive, but also a front shifter since I
>> want all 81 gears. Don't know what it looks like, though.
>>
>>> I think she could specify a boom with a derailleur post though if she
>>> wants the computer wotsit real estate.
>>
>> I'll be speaking to my dealer this weekend to sort all these options
>> out.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> EFR
>> Ile de France
>>
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>> My God! It is too good to be true - a Frenchman for me to fuck!
>>
>> I will keep on eye on this Artemisia and if he strays off-topic however
>> slightly, I will kill him. I have been waiting for ages to get my claws
>> into a Frenchman.
>
> He? He? HE? "Artemisia" is neither French nor a man. Please pay attention.

Well, he, she, it pretends to be French and that is enough for me.

>> Tom Sherman of course is a Frenchman in spirit himself, ever traitorous
>> to America and Western Civilization.
>
> [Yawn]

Tom Sherman is the most notorious Francophile ever to inhabit these
honorable cycling newsgroups. Even the English, another detestable race of
cretins, despise the swinish French.

I have urged Tom Sherman to emigrate to la belle France like forever, but he
refuses to go. Why? Because there is no one in France who would tell him
what an incredible idiot he is. For that he needs the Great Ed Dolan - who
wouldn't be caught dead in la belle France.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Aug 2007 11:13:44
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Artemisia wrote:
> On 29 août, 08:01, Phil Cook <p...@p-t-cook.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> This would be great and fantastic if A was getting a front derailleur
>> equipped Scorpion. In fact she's getting the SRAM Dual Drive which
>> comes with a plain front end.
>
> Thanks for catching that. I'm so dazzled by all this science I didn't
> even notice. Yes, SRAM Dualdrive, but also a front shifter since I
> want all 81 gears. Don't know what it looks like, though.

If you have a front shifter you will have a derailleur post.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Date: 29 Aug 2007 05:34:12
From: Geoff Lane
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Artemisia <nospam@free.fr > wrote in news:46d1c4b6$0$427
$426a34cc@news.free.fr:

> From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
> the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.
>
> I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
> Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
> it all go?

From the ICE website, the following link is one Trice T owner's solution:

http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/images/trikes/t/owners_images/pages/chips_t.htm

Perhaps a bit extreme for most!

--
Geoff

Date: 30 Aug 2007 12:31:49
From: Rob Morley
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

In article <Xns999B42D827A0Cgjctcswxnsrt@138.199.67.64 >, Geoff Lane
geoff@nospam.gjctech.co.uk says...

> From the ICE website, the following link is one Trice T owner's solution:
>
> http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/images/trikes/t/owners_images/pages/chips_t.htm
>
> Perhaps a bit extreme for most!
>
>
Kinda degates the aerodynamic advantage a bit too.

Date: 29 Aug 2007 21:22:23
From: Tosspot
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Geoff Lane wrote:
> Artemisia <nospam@free.fr> wrote in news:46d1c4b6$0$427
> $426a34cc@news.free.fr:
>
>
>> From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
>>the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.
>>
>>I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
>>Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
>>it all go?
>
>
> From the ICE website, the following link is one Trice T owner's solution:
>
> http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/images/trikes/t/owners_images/pages/chips_t.htm
>
> Perhaps a bit extreme for most!

For my Anthrotech I bodged a double bar across the top using coppper
heating pipes and connectors. Bit pikey, but does the job.

Date: 29 Aug 2007 01:57:42
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Geoff Lane <geoff@nospam.gjctech.co.uk > wrote in
news:Xns999B42D827A0Cgjctcswxnsrt@138.199.67.64:

> http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/images/trikes/t/owners_images/pages/chips_t.htm

Trice with a roll bar!! ;-)

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 29 Aug 2007 02:35:59
From:
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

On Aug 28, 8:52 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@iinvalid.com > wrote:
>
> Earth Cycles made such a derailer [1] mast several years before Catrike did.
>
> [1] Brownian spelling.

A spelling whose atoms move with random motion? ;-)

- Frank Krygowski

Date: 28 Aug 2007 21:42:12
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

frkrygow@gmail.com aka Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Aug 28, 8:52 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0...@iinvalid.com> wrote:
>> Earth Cycles made such a derailer [1] mast several years before Catrike did.
>>
>> [1] Brownian spelling.
>
> A spelling whose atoms move with random motion? ;-)

After the Great Sheldon Brown: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer.html >.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
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Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:50:01
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Date: 29 Aug 2007 07:01:21
From: Phil Cook
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:

>Artemisia wrote:
>> From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
>> the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.
>>
>> I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
>> Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
>> it all go?...
>
>I have an older version of this mount on the derailer [1] mast of a SWB
>recumbent [2] - it should work on any trike with such a mast:
><http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=983907300>.
>This has room for two lights, or a light and a cyclometer.

This would be great and fantastic if A was getting a front derailleur
equipped Scorpion. In fact she's getting the SRAM Dual Drive which
comes with a plain front end.

http://www.zoxbikes.com/main/sco_orange_tour_links_frei.jpg

There is what looks like a lumotec oval mounted on the boom.

I think she could specify a boom with a derailleur post though if she
wants the computer wotsit real estate.

Also looking at the HPvelo price list
http://www.hpvelotechnik.com/shopping/preisliste_scorpionfx_e.html
there are lights, bottles and airzounds listed so they must know where
they go.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

Date: 29 Aug 2007 08:29:55
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Phil Cook wrote:

> This would be great and fantastic if A was getting a front derailleur
> equipped Scorpion. In fact she's getting the SRAM Dual Drive which
> comes with a plain front end.

> I think she could specify a boom with a derailleur post though if she
> wants the computer wotsit real estate.

I would think that should be easy enough, as other Scorpions have a
front derailleur option and thus a boom with a stalk is a standard part
for the machine.

> Also looking at the HPvelo price list
> http://www.hpvelotechnik.com/shopping/preisliste_scorpionfx_e.html
> there are lights, bottles and airzounds listed so they must know where
> they go.

On HPVel bikes lamps mount via a braze-on at the head of the boom. This
is no trouble if you're using a lamp designed for mounting like the B&M
dynamo lamps HPVel supply themselves, but it's no use if you want to use
something that just clips onto a handlebar.

This puts me back to my usual suggestion on HPVels to order them with
dynohub and standlight lamps fitted at the factory if you'll be wanting
illuminated riding at all.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Date: 29 Aug 2007 18:57:58
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Peter Clinch, the Most August Medical Physics IT Officer [1], wrote:
> ...
> This puts me back to my usual suggestion on HPVels to order them with
> dynohub and standlight lamps fitted at the factory if you'll be wanting
> illuminated riding at all.

butbutbut [2], how do you put a dynohub on a tadpole? Does anyone make a
rear Shimano cassette compatible dynohub?

[1] alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent joke for Mr. Ed.
[2] Gratuitous gdanielsism.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Date: 30 Aug 2007 08:35:14
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
> butbutbut [2], how do you put a dynohub on a tadpole? Does anyone make a
> rear Shimano cassette compatible dynohub?

No, but Schmidt make a single sided mount one for your choice of front
wheel that is available as a standard option on the HPVel Scorpion.
Quite a recent development, but now a Real & Shipping product.

Could well be the case that the wheel mount system isn't universal so
won't necessarily work on any given tadpole, but since the prospective
owner here is getting a Scorpion it's definitely not a problem for her.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Date: 30 Aug 2007 08:22:40
From: Alan Braggins
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

In article <46d5fbfb$0$7122$88260bb3@free.teranews.com >, Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman wrote:
>Peter Clinch, the Most August Medical Physics IT Officer [1], wrote:
>> ...
>> This puts me back to my usual suggestion on HPVels to order them with
>> dynohub and standlight lamps fitted at the factory if you'll be wanting
>> illuminated riding at all.
>
>butbutbut [2], how do you put a dynohub on a tadpole?

On http://www.hpvelotechnik.de/shopping/preisliste_scorpion_e.html
tick the box labelled "light system SON hub dynamo, sensor standlight,
oneside mount".
Not so simple for other tadpoles, since AIUI the one-sided SON is
specific to the Scorpion hub design, but Peter said "on HPVels".

> Does anyone make a
>rear Shimano cassette compatible dynohub?

Yes, Shimano do. It's designed for their electric auto shifting system,
and produces less power than a standard dynamo, but is (reportedly) capable
of driving an LED light at reasonable brightness.

Date: 27 Aug 2007 21:23:50
From: _
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:21:44 +0200, Artemisia wrote:

> From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
> the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.
>
> I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
> Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
> it all go?

Halogen 20 watt on the front mech post - about 2 ft off the ground, angled
slightly upwards. LED modules (surplus from traffic signs) on the front
mudguards and top corners of the seat. Red LED bar (from auto
third-stop-light applications) along top edge of seat. Logic box and
12-volt gel cell just under seat; switches (4) mounted at top of right
steering bar.

Current configuration of the switches is such that the front makes the
20-watt and LED bar go on, for high visibility situations; rear one makes
the LED modules show green (to front) and red (to rear) for lo-vis, right
or left make the LED modules blink green/yellow (to front), red/yellow (to
rear) for turn signalling or 4-way look-out-you-idiot flashing.

Airzound also mounted on the front mech post, actuating button remote on
the left steering bar, close to the nice little bell for peds.

Date: 27 Aug 2007 23:22:16
From: Danny Colyer
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

On 27/08/2007 22:23, _ wrote:
> Airzound also mounted on the front mech post, actuating button remote on
> the left steering bar, close to the nice little bell for peds.

With USS I find that the AirZound works very nicely mounted just below
the left hand grip, with the button positioned to be pressed by the heel
of my left hand.

My bell is nicely positioned to be rung by the heel of my right hand.

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk >
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down. Daddy, put that down.
Daddy, why did you put that down?" - Charlie Colyer, age 2

Date: 27 Aug 2007 21:38:35
From: Tosspot
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Date: 27 Aug 2007 20:52:16
From: Rob Morley
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

In article <fav9ab$601$01$2@news.t-online.com >, Tosspot
FrankDotLeake@esa.int says...
> Artemisia wrote:
> > From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
> > the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.
> >
> > I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
> > Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
> > it all go?
>
> Miguora space savers helped me on this point.
>
ITYM Minoura :-)

Date: 28 Aug 2007 07:30:00
From: Tosspot
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Rob Morley wrote:
> In article <fav9ab$601$01$2@news.t-online.com>, Tosspot
> FrankDotLeake@esa.int says...
>
>>Artemisia wrote:
>>
>>> From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
>>>the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.
>>
>> >
>>
>>>I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
>>>Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
>>>it all go?
>>
>>Miguora space savers helped me on this point.
>>
>
> ITYM Minoura :-)

Dammit! Quite right of course. You know the things, got them on
http://www.wiggle.co.uk "Minoura Space Grip SG2 Handlebar Extension"
Variations on a theme from a few other manufacturers.

Can be useful little bugegrs. Recumbent tadpole trikes are well short
on sensible upfront, horizontal bars to tie things to.

Date: 28 Aug 2007 10:39:48
From: Alistair Gunn
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

In uk.rec.cycling Tosspot twisted the electrons to say:
> Dammit! Quite right of course. You know the things, got them on
> http://www.wiggle.co.uk "Minoura Space Grip SG2 Handlebar Extension"
> Variations on a theme from a few other manufacturers.

Having had the "fun" of installing a few SpaceGrips over my recumbent
owning years, I am wondering if the TerraCycle accessory mount is any
better? http://preview.tinyurl.com/2lc5bn

> Can be useful little bugegrs. Recumbent tadpole trikes are well short
> on sensible upfront, horizontal bars to tie things to.

That's one nice feature of Catrike's range - they've put a small
horizontal extension onto the front deraileur post to mount stuff on.
--
These opinions might not even be mine ...
Let alone connected with my employer ...

Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:52:42
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Alistair Gunn wrote:
> In uk.rec.cycling Tosspot twisted the electrons to say:
>> Dammit! Quite right of course. You know the things, got them on
>> http://www.wiggle.co.uk "Minoura Space Grip SG2 Handlebar Extension"
>> Variations on a theme from a few other manufacturers.
>
> Having had the "fun" of installing a few SpaceGrips over my recumbent
> owning years, I am wondering if the TerraCycle accessory mount is any
> better? http://preview.tinyurl.com/2lc5bn
>
>> Can be useful little bugegrs. Recumbent tadpole trikes are well short
>> on sensible upfront, horizontal bars to tie things to.
>
> That's one nice feature of Catrike's range - they've put a small
> horizontal extension onto the front deraileur post to mount stuff on.

Earth Cycles made such a derailer [1] mast several years before Catrike did.

[1] Brownian spelling.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

Date: 29 Aug 2007 05:04:03
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com > wrote in message
news:46d4b74c$0$16322$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
[...]
> Earth Cycles made such a derailer [1] mast several years before Catrike
> did.
>
> [1] Brownian spelling.

Here is how affectacious Tom Sherman should have written it:

> Earth Cycles made such a derailer (Brownian spelling) mast several years
> before Catrike did.

But I am convinced that he does it his way just to piss me off!

> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia

What does Holstein-Friesland have to do with Bovina? Time for a geography
lesson if you please!

> A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.

Well, yes, I can certainly agree with that. No one will come to visit me
anymore for fear of tripping over all my bicycles (both uprights and
recumbents) that I have scattered about the house (over 35). However, I am
not crazy, just a bit eccentric. All things are possible when you are not
saddled with a wife and kids.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Aug 2007 18:48:19
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate wrote:
> ...
>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>
> What does Holstein-Friesland have to do with Bovina? Time for a geography
> lesson if you please!

Hint: Moo.

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Date: 28 Aug 2007 14:55:18
From: Alan Braggins
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

In article <fb0u1k$1h1n$1@newsreader.cw.net >, Alistair Gunn wrote:
>
>> Can be useful little bugegrs. Recumbent tadpole trikes are well short
>> on sensible upfront, horizontal bars to tie things to.
>
>That's one nice feature of Catrike's range - they've put a small
>horizontal extension onto the front deraileur post to mount stuff on.

Yesterday at Mildenhall I saw a Trice with a stem mounted on the
derailleur post. It didn't have a handlebar in, but had a replacement
clamp with a short bar to put lights on (I've seen those elsewhere,
but can't find one online right now - some come with a bottle cage mount
as an alternative). But if you wanted more space, you put put a section
handlebar diameter tubing in the stem (or even a full handlebar).

Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:55:10
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Alan Braggins wrote:
> In article <fb0u1k$1h1n$1@newsreader.cw.net>, Alistair Gunn wrote:
>>> Can be useful little bugegrs. Recumbent tadpole trikes are well short
>>> on sensible upfront, horizontal bars to tie things to.
>> That's one nice feature of Catrike's range - they've put a small
>> horizontal extension onto the front deraileur post to mount stuff on.
>
> Yesterday at Mildenhall I saw a Trice with a stem mounted on the
> derailleur post. It didn't have a handlebar in, but had a replacement
> clamp with a short bar to put lights on (I've seen those elsewhere,
> but can't find one online right now - ...

Like this:
<http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=983907300 >?

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Date: 29 Aug 2007 08:50:00
From: Alan Braggins
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

In article <46d4b7e1$0$16322$88260bb3@free.teranews.com >, Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman wrote:
>Alan Braggins wrote:
>> In article <fb0u1k$1h1n$1@newsreader.cw.net>, Alistair Gunn wrote:
>>>> Can be useful little bugegrs. Recumbent tadpole trikes are well short
>>>> on sensible upfront, horizontal bars to tie things to.
>>> That's one nice feature of Catrike's range - they've put a small
>>> horizontal extension onto the front deraileur post to mount stuff on.
>>
>> Yesterday at Mildenhall I saw a Trice with a stem mounted on the
>> derailleur post. It didn't have a handlebar in, but had a replacement
>> clamp with a short bar to put lights on (I've seen those elsewhere,
>> but can't find one online right now - ...
>
>Like this:
><http://www.hostelshoppe.com/cgi-bin/readitem.pl?Accessory=983907300>?

No, and I don't know if the Trice or Scorpion posts would take a quill
type fitting like that - it was a threadless type stem on the one I saw,
clamped around the post rather than in the end.

Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:10:47
From: Rob Morley
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

In article <slrnfd8aa5.391.armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk >, Alan Braggins
armb@chiark.greenend.org.uk says...

> Yesterday at Mildenhall I saw a Trice with a stem mounted on the
> derailleur post.

I was just about to suggest that, but you beat me to it. :-)

Date: 27 Aug 2007 09:10:31
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Artemisia wrote:
> From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
> the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.
>
> I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
> Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
> it all go?

Mirrors will still fit on the bars. The B&M Cyclestar should work fine
(that's what Roos & I both use on our underseat-steered 'bents). Lights
will typically fit on some sort of braze-on on the boom. Most companies
making the things have thought about it, HPVel certainly have as they
supply lighting as a standard option.

> From my experiences with Beth, I've decided that I really don't like
> dynamos, because you become invisible when you most need to be seen: at
> a stop in traffic!

That's not aproblem with dynamos, but dynamos with lamps without a
standlight option... if you get lamps with standlights you have several
minutes backup light once you stop, which removes the problem. B&M
DToplight Plus at the back is an example, Lumotec Oval Plus on the front.

> It would be preferable to have lights on both sides of me, since I will
> now be a wide vehicle.

Not /much/ wider than the handlebars in a typical case. It's uncommon
for trikes to run multiple lateral sets and I'm not aware anyone has
ever raised that as an issue before, so I wouldn't worry about it.

> Rob at Westcountry had that super-expensive
> system on his Greenspeed that uses rechargeable battery packs. But that
> was £500 just in lighting, and too expensive for me in addition to the
> rest of the purchase, which will already clean me out for many months.

Rechargeable lamp sets start at around £20 for some entirely reasonable
kit (e.g.
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?PartnerID=79&ModelID=1387).
As long as the front lamp will mount on the boom somewhere, possibly
via something like a Space Grip, these should be quite acceptable. Use
an LED unit on the back rack to sort out the rear, the battery for the
front will usually hang off the main tube.

Pete.
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 22:18:32
From: Alan Braggins
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

In article <46d1c4b6$0$427$426a34cc@news.free.fr >, Artemisia wrote:
>I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
>Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
>it all go?

Lights probably want to be mounted at the front of the boom, not
on the handlebars anyway.

> From my experiences with Beth, I've decided that I really don't like
>dynamos, because you become invisible when you most need to be seen: at
>a stop in traffic!

You can get standlight dynamo lights that stay lit from a capacitor
while stopped. Or use a battery light as well as a dynamo, the dynamo
to see with, the battery to be seen by.

Date: 26 Aug 2007 21:16:24
From: Tim Hall
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 20:21:44 +0200, Artemisia <nospam@free.fr > wrote:

> From my early tests, it seems to me there is even less real estate on
>the handlebars of a Darkside trike as on a normal bike.
>
>I'm going to need a computer, mirrors, lights and preferably also an
>Airzound horn, in addition to the brake and shifter controls. Where does
>it all go?

You need to ask Mr. Larrington. Malheuresement he is hors de combat at
the moment.
>
> From my experiences with Beth, I've decided that I really don't like
>dynamos, because you become invisible when you most need to be seen: at
>a stop in traffic! Fly has an excellent light by Cateye with five bright
>LCD beams, that runs off 5 AA batteries. But it's a big hoiky thing and
>I can't see getting two of them between my bum and the bars.
>

Go with the dynamo option but use B&M standlights. These have a
halogen lamp which givesa nice bright light when in motion, and an LED
which gives enough light for you to be seen when at a stop.

Alternatively more bar real estate can be conjured up by using a
Minoura Space Grip or similar product. I've got a Minoura on one of my
bikes and apart from rattling screws loose it's been rock solid.
Others report they seem to be made of cheese these days. My recumbent
has a Topeak Bar X-Tender, which is more adjustable than the Minoura
and seems robust. I put a Cateye light with 5 LED (not LCD!) beams on
it.

Tim

Date: 26 Aug 2007 22:51:02
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

Tim Hall wrote:

> Go with the dynamo option but use B&M standlights. These have a
> halogen lamp which givesa nice bright light when in motion, and an LED
> which gives enough light for you to be seen when at a stop.

Thanks, I was just coming to the same conclusion. I've been googling all
the options in turn, and have finally discovered what "standlight"
means! I wish someone had told me about that when I paid all the extra
to get a hub dynamo on Behemoth.

So yes, Busch & Muller Dymotec 6 with Standlight. Considerably cheaper
than the SON hub option, and I've read postings that say the drag is
almost negligeable. Do you know if the drag can be removed completely
when the dynamo is off, or is there always some?

I'm hoping that as a corollary to this big investment, I will be able to
extend the number of days in the year when I can ride the bike to work.
The ability to ride by night would open up all the months between
October and March. Currently I feel too unsafe with the poor night
visibility aggravated by my balance problems.

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 29 Aug 2007 11:52:22
From: James Thomson
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

"Artemisia" <nospam@free.fr > a écrit:

> I've been googling all the options in turn, and have finally
> discovered what "standlight" means! I wish someone had
> told me about that when I paid all the extra to get a hub
> dynamo on Behemoth.

Ahem!

http://groups.google.fr/group/rec.bicycles.misc/msg/4a4a7e55807e0ea9?hl=fr

22 sep 2003

"Some dynamo headlamps (Lumotec 'Standlicht' models, for
example) incorporate a capacitor that powers an integrated
LED light when the bike is stationary."

James Thomson

Date: 01 Sep 2007 11:07:52
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

James Thomson wrote:

> "Some dynamo headlamps (Lumotec 'Standlicht' models, for
> example) incorporate a capacitor that powers an integrated
> LED light when the bike is stationary."

OK, so you did tell me, James. Stop taking things so personally. I
should have been more directive and lucid when I ordered the bike. But
you see I'm taking extra care this time.

By the way, nice to hear from you. How's things? Will I see you at the
Mondial des Deux Roues at the end of September?

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 03 Sep 2007 00:13:14
From: James Thomson
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

"Artemisia" <nospam@free.fr > a écrit:

> Stop taking things so personally.

Good idea! I'll stop beating my wife too.

> By the way, nice to hear from you. How's things?

Oh, as ever. Yourself?

> Will I see you at the Mondial des Deux Roues at the
> end of September?

I haven't made plans. Last year's was pretty uninspiring - some interesting
tyres. Maybe if Jon's interested we could combine a visit with brunch
somewhere.

James Thomson

Date: 26 Aug 2007 22:03:08
From: Tim Hall
Subject: Re: Recumbent Trikes - Where to Put the Lights?

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 22:51:02 +0200, Artemisia <nospam@free.fr > wrote:

>Tim Hall wrote:
>So yes, Busch & Muller Dymotec 6 with Standlight. Considerably cheaper
>than the SON hub option, and I've read postings that say the drag is
>almost negligeable. Do you know if the drag can be removed completely
>when the dynamo is off, or is there always some?

As it's a tyre driven dynamo, "off" is acheived by moving the dynamo a
small distance from the tyre. "On" is acheived by moving it such that
the roller on the end of the dynamo rubs against the tyre. The
Dymotec has a small switch to do the turning on, by releasing a
spring.

The upshot of all this is that when it is off, it's not in contact
with the tyre, so there is no drag.

Tim