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Date: 20 Oct 2006 14:04:06
From: donquijote1954
Subject: SideWinder (EZPAK): cheap foldable bike of the century
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I guess this is what you can call "Chinese quality" mixed with good ol'
fashioned swindler's talk. Neither does the bicycle works the way is
advertised nor it is what is meant to be for people of such height...
EZPAK
EZPAK Folding Bicycle
Weighing in at only 22.5 lb., the EZPAK frame is made of aluminum alloy
with a highly polished finish for maximum corrosion resistance. Unique
design prevents flex and maximizes pedaling power. Its double chain
wheel design enables this 12" wheel-sized, folding bike to be pedaled
at the same speed as a 24" wheel-sized bike. It folds to just 26" x
11" x 20" without the use of tools and stores easily in your car
trunk, boat, dock box, or anywhere. Its seat post can be adjusted in a
few seconds to fit riders from 3 ft. to 6 =BD ft. in height. It can
accommodate riders from 30 lbs. to 300 lbs. in weight.
The EzPak folding bicycle is built for people on the go: Students,
Travelers, Commuters. Its light alloy frame fits easily into its own
carry bag. Adjusts for riders young and old, from 30 to 300 lbs. The
double chain drive with 12"wheels allows.... more
http://www.sidewindercycle.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=3D22
Here's the letter I sent to them:
Well, Linda, I feel eaten by the lion...
The "made in China" tiny bike disappears under me and I can barely go
faster than a crawling walk when I'm only 6'1" 220 lbs and you
advertise so much more. Maybe some more realistic numbers would be 5'5"
150 lbs. If someone 6'6" 300 lbs can ride it, they may also be able to
ride a kid's tricycle. Good luck in hunting!
PS: I may decide to post it around.
NOTE: I'll try selling it to see how much it fetches. Hey, or maybe
some of you may want to buy it for a few bucks less... ;)
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Date: 25 Oct 2006 11:02:40
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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Dan wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> > Dan wrote:
> > > donquijote1954 wrote:
> > > > Dan wrote:
> > > >>> This is what I expected, save the 3 speeds. Well, at least not a Mao's
> > > >>> bike.
> > > >>>
> > > >> So, you expected a $700 bike for $120?
> > > >
> > > > No, I expected a $300 bike for $120, which is what he claimed...
> > > >
> > > > "Price $120.00
> > > > List Price $299.00 ~ You save $179.00"
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sadly, you probably got a $300 bike. $300 doesn't buy much.
> >
> > It buys me this (and made in Taiwan)...
> >
> > http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm/Outdoor-and-RV-Accessories/Outside-Your-RV/Boats/Bikes---Racks/Bikes/Dahon-7-Speed-Folding-Bike/skunum=27963
>
> Perhaps you paid $120 for a $120 bike.
Perhaps, perhaps. But still waaaay small for me.
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 21:45:29
From: Dan
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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donquijote1954 wrote:
> Dan wrote:
> > donquijote1954 wrote:
> > > Dan wrote:
> > >>> This is what I expected, save the 3 speeds. Well, at least not a Mao's
> > >>> bike.
> > >>>
> > >> So, you expected a $700 bike for $120?
> > >
> > > No, I expected a $300 bike for $120, which is what he claimed...
> > >
> > > "Price $120.00
> > > List Price $299.00 ~ You save $179.00"
> > >
> >
> > Sadly, you probably got a $300 bike. $300 doesn't buy much.
>
> It buys me this (and made in Taiwan)...
>
> http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm/Outdoor-and-RV-Accessories/Outside-Your-RV/Boats/Bikes---Racks/Bikes/Dahon-7-Speed-Folding-Bike/skunum=27963
Perhaps you paid $120 for a $120 bike.
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 15:07:08
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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Dan wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> > Dan wrote:
> >>> This is what I expected, save the 3 speeds. Well, at least not a Mao's
> >>> bike.
> >>>
> >> So, you expected a $700 bike for $120?
> >
> > No, I expected a $300 bike for $120, which is what he claimed...
> >
> > "Price $120.00
> > List Price $299.00 ~ You save $179.00"
> >
>
> Sadly, you probably got a $300 bike. $300 doesn't buy much.
It buys me this (and made in Taiwan)...
http://www.campingworld.com/browse/skus/index.cfm/Outdoor-and-RV-Accessories/Outside-Your-RV/Boats/Bikes---Racks/Bikes/Dahon-7-Speed-Folding-Bike/skunum=27963
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Date: 24 Oct 2006 15:04:01
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> > So, you expected a $700 bike for $120?
>
> Here is a similar (but considerably more expensive) bike from a company
> with a good reputation:
> <http://www.breezerbikes.com/CatDetails.cfm?ProdID=41&category=0>.
>
Also with a more realistic limit...
"For Riders 4'2" to 5'9" tall, up to 190 lbs."
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:31:48
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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Dan wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> > Veloise wrote:
> >> donquijote1954 wrote:
> >>> Were Dahons ever such a POS? I own a Trek F400 (Dahon design) and it's
> >>> wonderfully well made. ...
> >> Original Hon (before the filing cabinet folks sat on their brand name)
> >> was roughly better than a *.t bike. Mine lasted almost 20
> >> years....just got me an upgrade off An Auction Site. It's blue.
> >>
> >
> > Well, the two strong points of the EzPak seem to be the hinges. ;)
> >
> > They seem safe and the bike may last quite a bit. But the problem is
> > rather the size and the poor performance. I gave it to my girlfriend
> > who's only 5' and she had a hard time completing 20 blocks. By contrast
> > this bike, also with 12" tires, seems to go the distance...
> >
> > http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/product/sku__MB400
> >
> > This is what I expected, save the 3 speeds. Well, at least not a Mao's
> > bike.
> >
>
> So, you expected a $700 bike for $120?
Here is a similar (but considerably more expensive) bike from a company
with a good reputation:
<http://www.breezerbikes.com/CatDetails.cfm?ProdID=41&category=0 >.
--
Tom Sherman - Here, not there.
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 16:24:22
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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Dan wrote:
> > This is what I expected, save the 3 speeds. Well, at least not a Mao's
> > bike.
> >
>
> So, you expected a $700 bike for $120?
No, I expected a $300 bike for $120, which is what he claimed...
"Price $120.00
List Price $299.00 ~ You save $179.00"
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 17:33:31
From: Dan
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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donquijote1954 wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>>> This is what I expected, save the 3 speeds. Well, at least not a Mao's
>>> bike.
>>>
>> So, you expected a $700 bike for $120?
>
> No, I expected a $300 bike for $120, which is what he claimed...
>
> "Price $120.00
> List Price $299.00 ~ You save $179.00"
>
Sadly, you probably got a $300 bike. $300 doesn't buy much.
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 13:58:06
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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Brian Huntley wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
>
> > They seem safe and the bike may last quite a bit. But the problem is
> > rather the size and the poor performance. I gave it to my girlfriend
> > who's only 5' and she had a hard time completing 20 blocks. By contrast
> > this bike, also with 12" tires, seems to go the distance...
> >
> > http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/product/sku__MB400
>
>
> Let me get this straight. You publicly malign a small company selling a
> $120 bike that's offered to return your money if you return the bike
> (but you pay shipping), then say another company's product that costs
> $700 and has a $70 restocking fee above and beyond shipping is fine by
> you. Is that right?
>
> So, do you work for $harperImage?
Well, read what Sharper Image says about their bike (which is much
bigger than Mao's bike, I sat on it)...
"For riders age 8 and older, 3'5" to 6'3", weighing up to 240 lbs."
So it's only fair that company NOT misrepresenting its products can
give you a little bite if you don't like it for some other reason. Just
not being swallowed by false advertising. The guy at EzPak told me,
"Well, my nephew (or something) who is 6'6" can ride it." Probably
something like this...
http://www.avantministries.org/images/short_cycle_bicycle.jpg
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 19:13:41
From: Brian Huntley
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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donquijote1954 wrote:
> They seem safe and the bike may last quite a bit. But the problem is
> rather the size and the poor performance. I gave it to my girlfriend
> who's only 5' and she had a hard time completing 20 blocks. By contrast
> this bike, also with 12" tires, seems to go the distance...
>
> http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/product/sku__MB400
Let me get this straight. You publicly malign a small company selling a
$120 bike that's offered to return your money if you return the bike
(but you pay shipping), then say another company's product that costs
$700 and has a $70 restocking fee above and beyond shipping is fine by
you. Is that right?
So, do you work for $harperImage?
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 18:05:39
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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Veloise wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> > Were Dahons ever such a POS? I own a Trek F400 (Dahon design) and it's
> > wonderfully well made. ...
>
> Original Hon (before the filing cabinet folks sat on their brand name)
> was roughly better than a *.t bike. Mine lasted almost 20
> years....just got me an upgrade off An Auction Site. It's blue.
>
Well, the two strong points of the EzPak seem to be the hinges. ;)
They seem safe and the bike may last quite a bit. But the problem is
rather the size and the poor performance. I gave it to my girlfriend
who's only 5' and she had a hard time completing 20 blocks. By contrast
this bike, also with 12" tires, seems to go the distance...
http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/product/sku__MB400
This is what I expected, save the 3 speeds. Well, at least not a Mao's
bike.
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Date: 23 Oct 2006 14:50:49
From: Dan
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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donquijote1954 wrote:
> Veloise wrote:
>> donquijote1954 wrote:
>>> Were Dahons ever such a POS? I own a Trek F400 (Dahon design) and it's
>>> wonderfully well made. ...
>> Original Hon (before the filing cabinet folks sat on their brand name)
>> was roughly better than a *.t bike. Mine lasted almost 20
>> years....just got me an upgrade off An Auction Site. It's blue.
>>
>
> Well, the two strong points of the EzPak seem to be the hinges. ;)
>
> They seem safe and the bike may last quite a bit. But the problem is
> rather the size and the poor performance. I gave it to my girlfriend
> who's only 5' and she had a hard time completing 20 blocks. By contrast
> this bike, also with 12" tires, seems to go the distance...
>
> http://www.sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/product/sku__MB400
>
> This is what I expected, save the 3 speeds. Well, at least not a Mao's
> bike.
>
So, you expected a $700 bike for $120?
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 17:53:37
From: Veloise
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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donquijote1954 wrote:
> Were Dahons ever such a POS? I own a Trek F400 (Dahon design) and it's
> wonderfully well made. ...
Original Hon (before the filing cabinet folks sat on their brand name)
was roughly better than a *.t bike. Mine lasted almost 20
years....just got me an upgrade off An Auction Site. It's blue.
HTH
--Karen D.
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 11:05:16
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: I won't be funny this time
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This is what I got from them. I always try to give a touch of humor to
my complaints (as in WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE at
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote), but this time I won't. What
better joke than claiming this bike can be ridden be someone 6'6"?
Well, they are ready to fix it. They wrote...
"The EZPAK was a trial product for us to try and we thought it would
fill a niche for a compact "short distance use" mode of transportation.
We took our description from the manufacturers info. I always tell
people very clearly that it is not for long distance, comfort rides,
just as I told you.
As we offered before, return it for a refund!! We are a small company
and we have always "gone the extra mile" to help our customers, even
when they have damaged parts, etc by inappropriate assembly, etc. We
stand by our customer service policy.
l cannot understand why you would rather expend emotional energy on a
"smear" campaign then get your refund and get on with life??
We will remove the product or its description from our website. You are
the first to be disgruntled. Again, return the EZPAK, shipping prepaid
for a refund of purchase price."
Sincerely, Linda
NOTE: The reason I tried this way (exposing them) is that paying
shipping both ways would have meant me losing something like 60 bucks
just because bad presentation of the product. This way my grievance is
addressed. Thank you very much.
I have to look now for an appropriate shipping box, which is another
complication that held me back from returning it. Well, like I said,
you still have an opportunity to buy it!
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Date: 22 Oct 2006 10:47:20
From: donquijote1954
Subject: Re: the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book
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Brian wrote:
> Why does that look soooo much like a 20-year-old Dahon??
Were Dahons ever such a POS? I own a Trek F400 (Dahon design) and it's
wonderfully well made. It must mean that the road toward democracy in
Taiwan works. Well, it's more money too.
I think the EzPak is out of Mao's Red Book to be issued to every
citizen in China. The size sure tells us that they were not meant for
export.
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Date: 21 Oct 2006 16:46:30
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: SideWinder (EZPAK): cheap foldable bike of the century
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ATTN P T Barnum
donquijote1954 wrote:
> I guess this is what you can call "Chinese quality" mixed with good ol'
> fashioned swindler's talk. Neither does the bicycle works the way is
> advertised nor it is what is meant to be for people of such height...
>
> EZPAK
> EZPAK Folding Bicycle
>
> Weighing in at only 22.5 lb., the EZPAK frame is made of aluminum alloy
> with a highly polished finish for maximum corrosion resistance. Unique
> design prevents flex and maximizes pedaling power. Its double chain
> wheel design enables this 12" wheel-sized, folding bike to be pedaled
> at the same speed as a 24" wheel-sized bike. It folds to just 26" x
> 11" x 20" without the use of tools and stores easily in your car
> trunk, boat, dock box, or anywhere. Its seat post can be adjusted in a
> few seconds to fit riders from 3 ft. to 6 =BD ft. in height. It can
> accommodate riders from 30 lbs. to 300 lbs. in weight.
>
> The EzPak folding bicycle is built for people on the go: Students,
> Travelers, Commuters. Its light alloy frame fits easily into its own
> carry bag. Adjusts for riders young and old, from 30 to 300 lbs. The
> double chain drive with 12"wheels allows.... more
>
> http://www.sidewindercycle.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=3D22
>
> Here's the letter I sent to them:
>
> Well, Linda, I feel eaten by the lion...
>
> The "made in China" tiny bike disappears under me and I can barely go
> faster than a crawling walk when I'm only 6'1" 220 lbs and you
> advertise so much more. Maybe some more realistic numbers would be 5'5"
> 150 lbs. If someone 6'6" 300 lbs can ride it, they may also be able to
> ride a kid's tricycle. Good luck in hunting!
>
> PS: I may decide to post it around.
>
> NOTE: I'll try selling it to see how much it fetches. Hey, or maybe
> some of you may want to buy it for a few bucks less... ;)
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Date: 21 Oct 2006 09:58:04
From: Brian
Subject: Re: SideWinder (EZPAK): cheap foldable bike of the century
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Why does that look soooo much like a 20-year-old Dahon??
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Date: 21 Oct 2006 17:00:32
From: bill
Subject: Re: SideWinder (EZPAK): cheap foldable bike of the century
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Brian wrote:
> Why does that look soooo much like a 20-year-old Dahon??
>
>
On what group? I didn't see it on R.B.M
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