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Date: 07 Jan 2007 08:04:29
From: Malcolm Smith
Subject: Skewer direction
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The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
Malcolm
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 07:20:42
From: richard
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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Aesthetics
On the rear, there is less interference with the derailleur
As to the front - convention. Remember, these were NOT invented so you
could put your bike into your car more easily. A racer punctures and
needs a wheel changed in less than 10 seconds. If the mechs know where
to reach for the release lever without looking, that's a second.
Malcolm Smith wrote:
> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
>
> Malcolm
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Date: 10 Jan 2007 01:08:45
From: Werehatrack
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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On 7 Jan 2007 08:04:29 -0800, "Malcolm Smith"
<malcolm.smith@gmail.com > may have said:
>The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
>the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
I see more fronts with the lever on the right and rears with the lever
on the left. The lever on the front often lines up with the fork
better when it's on the right. On the back, the lever on the left
keeps it from cluttering up the area of the der.
It doesn't really matter, as long as the wheel is secure; use what
works for you.
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 17:01:29
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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In article <50ipstF1fvlc2U1@mid.individual.net >,
"Pat" <Pat@faraway.com > writes:
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>>>Every bike I've bought here in Australia has had the right lever cabled to
>>>operate the front brake. Maybe the idea is that it should be possible to
>>>signal the sharper turn (left here, right in the US) while using the
>>>more effective front brake.
>>>
>>>Seems reasonable to me, anyway.
>>
>> The theory has been that braking with just the front is dangerous if there
>> should be a surprise. So the powers that be assume Americans should have
>> the
>> front brake on the left and you all should have it on the right. Me I
>> think it's
>> all about the cyclocross and the front goes on the right. Which completely
>> failed to keep me from grabbing it and crashing most absurdly when
>> coasting up
>> to a barrier and having the guy in front of me klutz it. There I am
>> coasting in,
>> standing on one pedal with both hands on the bars and far more front wheel
>> traction than was good for me.
>>
>> Ron
>
> Can you provide a citation for this "powers that be" stuff?
I dunno if you can call it a "citation" or not, but
here's some input from a reputable source:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html#whichside
Just opinion on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if
"powers that be" in this case refers to consumer safety
organizations/advocates.
cheers,
Tom
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 20:00:17
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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In article <1168185869.787714.100980@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com >,
"Malcolm Smith" <malcolm.smith@gmail.com > writes:
> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
The weight of the levers on the left counterbalances
the weight of the drive stuff on the right :-)
I've heard it suggested that the front brake lever
was moved to the left (typically weaker) hand, so
people would be less inclined to use the front brake
and flip 'emselves over the bar.
I'd rather actuate my front brake with my right hand,
so I can brake and signal a left turn at the same time.
One of these days I gotta get around to switching my
brake levers around.
cheers,
Tom
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 17:38:37
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:00:17 -0800, Tom Keats wrote:
> I've heard it suggested that the front brake lever
> was moved to the left (typically weaker) hand, so
> people would be less inclined to use the front brake
> and flip 'emselves over the bar.
>
> I'd rather actuate my front brake with my right hand,
> so I can brake and signal a left turn at the same time.
> One of these days I gotta get around to switching my
> brake levers around.
Every bike I've bought here in Australia has had the right lever cabled to
operate the front brake. Maybe the idea is that it should be possible to
signal the sharper turn (left here, right in the US) while using the
more effective front brake.
Seems reasonable to me, anyway.
--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 11:22:31
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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"Michael Warner" <see@homepage.com > wrote in message
news:ufczzojnhyid.1jtig3nx0rzy3.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:00:17 -0800, Tom Keats wrote:
>
> > I've heard it suggested that the front brake lever
> > was moved to the left (typically weaker) hand, so
> > people would be less inclined to use the front brake
> > and flip 'emselves over the bar.
> >
> > I'd rather actuate my front brake with my right hand,
> > so I can brake and signal a left turn at the same time.
> > One of these days I gotta get around to switching my
> > brake levers around.
>
> Every bike I've bought here in Australia has had the right lever cabled
to
> operate the front brake. Maybe the idea is that it should be possible to
> signal the sharper turn (left here, right in the US) while using the
> more effective front brake.
>
> Seems reasonable to me, anyway.
>
Rode motorcycle for years. Right side front was always a no brainer.
Signals, who cares.... I've always watched "them" a lot more than they've
ever watched me. ;-)
Chas.
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 10:09:40
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:38:37 +1030, Michael Warner <see@homepage.com > wrote:
>On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:00:17 -0800, Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> I've heard it suggested that the front brake lever
>> was moved to the left (typically weaker) hand, so
>> people would be less inclined to use the front brake
>> and flip 'emselves over the bar.
>>
>> I'd rather actuate my front brake with my right hand,
>> so I can brake and signal a left turn at the same time.
>> One of these days I gotta get around to switching my
>> brake levers around.
>
>Every bike I've bought here in Australia has had the right lever cabled to
>operate the front brake. Maybe the idea is that it should be possible to
>signal the sharper turn (left here, right in the US) while using the
>more effective front brake.
>
>Seems reasonable to me, anyway.
The theory has been that braking with just the front is dangerous if there
should be a surprise. So the powers that be assume Americans should have the
front brake on the left and you all should have it on the right. Me I think it's
all about the cyclocross and the front goes on the right. Which completely
failed to keep me from grabbing it and crashing most absurdly when coasting up
to a barrier and having the guy in front of me klutz it. There I am coasting in,
standing on one pedal with both hands on the bars and far more front wheel
traction than was good for me.
Ron
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Date: 09 Jan 2007 18:21:36
From: Pat
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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>>Every bike I've bought here in Australia has had the right lever cabled to
>>operate the front brake. Maybe the idea is that it should be possible to
>>signal the sharper turn (left here, right in the US) while using the
>>more effective front brake.
>>
>>Seems reasonable to me, anyway.
>
> The theory has been that braking with just the front is dangerous if there
> should be a surprise. So the powers that be assume Americans should have
> the
> front brake on the left and you all should have it on the right. Me I
> think it's
> all about the cyclocross and the front goes on the right. Which completely
> failed to keep me from grabbing it and crashing most absurdly when
> coasting up
> to a barrier and having the guy in front of me klutz it. There I am
> coasting in,
> standing on one pedal with both hands on the bars and far more front wheel
> traction than was good for me.
>
> Ron
Can you provide a citation for this "powers that be" stuff?
Pat
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 02:41:38
From: Paul Hobson
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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Michael Warner wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:00:17 -0800, Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> I've heard it suggested that the front brake lever
>> was moved to the left (typically weaker) hand, so
>> people would be less inclined to use the front brake
>> and flip 'emselves over the bar.
>>
>> I'd rather actuate my front brake with my right hand,
>> so I can brake and signal a left turn at the same time.
>> One of these days I gotta get around to switching my
>> brake levers around.
>
> Every bike I've bought here in Australia has had the right lever cabled to
> operate the front brake. Maybe the idea is that it should be possible to
> signal the sharper turn (left here, right in the US) while using the
> more effective front brake.
>
> Seems reasonable to me, anyway.
>
I've thought about that too. When setting up my bikes (in the US) I
still opt to put the front brake on the right side since I'm more likely
to have to stop when turning left (due to on coming traffic).
It'd be tough to convince me that one is safer than another. I just
prefer mine that way.
\\paul
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 19:52:18
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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Malcolm Smith wrote:
> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
No particular reason.
As recently as 30 years ago some bikes (Atala, Garlatti, Bottechia) came
from the factory the other way around. If you want to reverse them, go
right ahead.
Don't forget to lube the cam, shaft and threads.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 19:28:56
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:29:33 -0800, jim beam wrote:
> Malcolm Smith wrote:
>> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
>> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
> on the rear, you don't want the lever to foul the derailleur. on the
> front, it's just aesthetics to follow the rear. unless it's mtb with
> disk brake, in which case, some people use the lever on the right for
> similar reasons and to have the adjusting nut serrations help hold the
> axle more firmly.
The skewer will not foul the derailleur. Put them wherever you want them.
--
David L. Johnson
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 17:44:40
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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David L. Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:29:33 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>
>> Malcolm Smith wrote:
>>> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so
>>> that the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
>>>
>>> Malcolm
>>>
>> on the rear, you don't want the lever to foul the derailleur. on the
>> front, it's just aesthetics to follow the rear. unless it's mtb with
>> disk brake, in which case, some people use the lever on the right for
>> similar reasons and to have the adjusting nut serrations help hold
>> the axle more firmly.
> The skewer will not foul the derailleur. Put them wherever you want
> them.
If by "them" you mean the lever, why on earth would you put the rear one on
the drive side where the derailleur, cogs and chain are? I just removed my
rear wheel to fix a flat, and it would be plain stupid to reverse the
skewer.
The front doesn't matter, really, but most people seem to like both wheels
set up the same (for looks if nothing else).
Bill S.
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 17:35:05
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu > wrote in message
news:o6SdnYdBwaTFAzzYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:29:33 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>
>> Malcolm Smith wrote:
>>> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so
>>> that
>>> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
>>>
>>> Malcolm
>>>
>> on the rear, you don't want the lever to foul the derailleur. on the
>> front, it's just aesthetics to follow the rear. unless it's mtb with
>> disk brake, in which case, some people use the lever on the right for
>> similar reasons and to have the adjusting nut serrations help hold
>> the
>> axle more firmly.
>
> The skewer will not foul the derailleur. Put them wherever you want
> them.
I don't agree. When removing and replacing the wheel, getting the chain
over the nut without touching the chain is easier than over the lever.
Phil H
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 20:31:31
From:
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:35:05 -0800, "Phil Holman"
<piholmanc@yourservice > wrote:
>
>"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu> wrote in message
>news:o6SdnYdBwaTFAzzYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:29:33 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>> Malcolm Smith wrote:
>>>> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so
>>>> that
>>>> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
>>>>
>>>> Malcolm
>>>>
>>> on the rear, you don't want the lever to foul the derailleur. on the
>>> front, it's just aesthetics to follow the rear. unless it's mtb with
>>> disk brake, in which case, some people use the lever on the right for
>>> similar reasons and to have the adjusting nut serrations help hold
>>> the
>>> axle more firmly.
>>
>> The skewer will not foul the derailleur. Put them wherever you want
>> them.
>
>I don't agree. When removing and replacing the wheel, getting the chain
>over the nut without touching the chain is easier than over the lever.
>
>Phil H
Dear Phil & David,
Here's a bike that visitors are forced to use, with the quick-release
lever switched to the derailleur side (may God forgive me!)
QR open:
http://i12.tinypic.com/42uoy3d.jpg
QR closed:
http://i3.tinypic.com/2ywbqlk.jpg
Unless the lever is set level to close by flipping from the back to
the front, the cable and the derailleur obviously get in the way.
More cable just gets in the way elsewhere.
With the QR lever on the normal side, you can rotate the lever as you
please until you get it right, while your other hand can easily hold
the comparatively tiny nut on the other side and adjust the nut by
slight finger turning.
As an analogy, think of trying to work with two wrenches on an axle
secured with two nuts instead of a quick release.
You'd hold the derailleur-side wrench steady (instead of moving it
into the cable and derailleur) and turn the wrench on the bare side of
the frame.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 08:29:33
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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Malcolm Smith wrote:
> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
>
> Malcolm
>
on the rear, you don't want the lever to foul the derailleur. on the
front, it's just aesthetics to follow the rear. unless it's mtb with
disk brake, in which case, some people use the lever on the right for
similar reasons and to have the adjusting nut serrations help hold the
axle more firmly.
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Date: 08 Jan 2007 00:05:40
From:
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:29:33 -0800, jim beam
<spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
>Malcolm Smith wrote:
>> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
>> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>on the rear, you don't want the lever to foul the derailleur. on the
>front, it's just aesthetics to follow the rear. unless it's mtb with
>disk brake, in which case, some people use the lever on the right for
>similar reasons and to have the adjusting nut serrations help hold the
>axle more firmly.
Both ends of qr skewers - even those with cut (as opposed to rolled)
threads - have serrations, and one of the essential qualities of a qr
skewer mechanism is that the clamping force is applied equally to both
sides.
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 08:20:23
From: peter
Subject: Re: Skewer direction
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Malcolm Smith wrote:
> The convention seems to be to insert the skewers of both wheels so that
> the lever is on the left and the nut on the right. Why?
On the rear wheel it avoids any interference with the derailleur and
keeps your hand away from the chain/etc. Having both on the same side
makes it a little quicker for me when I undo both to put the bike in a
car trunk - and it's easier to remember so you don't end up with the
computer magnet on the wrong side.
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