Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

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Date: 28 Oct 2007 19:32:19
From: Artemisia
Subject: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly hope
it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at 6:15 am
next Saturday, November 3rd.

This timing will give it a near-ideal horoscope in relation to myself
and its vocation as a bike, apart from a few significant blemishes (a
very bad Venus, suggesting rejection from groups and support vans, a
dangerous Pluto that could be interpreted as "death by transport"...)
The bike will have a Mars-Sun-Uranus grand trine relaying my natal
Sun-Mars trine and will have Mercury and Ascendant conjoint two
auspicious fixed stars, Spica and Arcturus.

But how do I ensure that the bike is "born" at that moment? I envision
something like a launching or foundation ceremony, minus the champagne.
Here are some of the things I've thought I could do, allowing that
nobody will be up at that time and that I will be quite alone.

- The bike's name, which I have known in secret for a while, could be
published. I could set up my mailer to do this automatically to my
friends and the newsgroups I frequent so that I can be down in the
garage at that moment.

- Downstairs, I address the bike by its name out loud for the first
time, and kick off the first pedal stroke. My only problem with this is
that the first pedal-stroke may have to be taken earlier, when I go into
the shop to check the delivery and have it fitted. However, I might
arrange for the computer to start recording distance from that moment.

- I would somehow like the glyphs for Spica and Arcturus to be involved
in the ceremony, but they should not be inscribed on the bike itself,
obviously. Is there any harmless way or place that it could be marked
with these symbols? In nail-polish perhaps? (I use nail-polish to mark
correct seat-height on Flyzipper, my folder). Or perhaps create some
kind of imagery on the garage floor, in removable chalk?

- Perhaps Venus too should be invoked and somehow nurtured, since she is
so badly aspected, despite being the chart-ruler of the trike (Libra
ascendant). Cornelius Aggrippa has all sorts of ideas for Venus
invocations involving things like copper, beryl (emeralds too if any are
handy), coriander, oranges, kittens, doves, swans and bunny-rabbits...

I'm working in a Hermetic Pagan tradition of Mediterranean flavor (since
that's my ethnicity) but Wicca, Kabbalah and certain other Magickal
traditions are welcome.

Cheers all, and Happy Samhain on Wednesday

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 03 Nov 2007 02:10:15
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <4725106c$0$28586$426a74cc@news.free.fr >,
Artemisia <nospam@free.fr > writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>
>> Hook it up to a bunch of electricity,
>> raise it on a platform up a tower in
>> a thunderstorm, and hang-wringingly
>> admonish it to "Live! Live! Live!"
>
> Didn't that one go horribly wrong the last time someone tried it?

Ya, but you'd have one bad-ass trike.

Personally I invite you to wait a while and consider
making it a [fellow] Sagittarian. After all, we are
noted for travel, expansiveness, largesse and cheering
people up (even if by our own amusing, harmless pratfalls.)

Yeah, there are those ol' drunk-&-disorderly conduct
and foot-in-mouth-disease bugaboos, but we have Luck
on our sides to circumvent all that. Truckloads of
Luck. And a spiritual side. And a largely unrecognized
ability to detect and accomodate other people's thoughts &
feelings. And y'know what? We Sagittarians get a bad rep
for taking off and leaving loved ones behind. Horse hockey,
I sez!

But, if you want a sexy Scorpio trike that's given to occasional
dark, sullen, tacit moods and mundane routine, it's up to you.

cheers,
Tom

--
"I keep rolling, keep rolling, keep rolling, and I can't stop ..."
-- Pure as the Driven Snow
-- Doobie Brothers

Date: 03 Nov 2007 11:43:21
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tom Keats wrote:

> Personally I invite you to wait a while and consider
> making it a [fellow] Sagittarian.

Flyzipper is a Scorpio with Sagittarius Ascendant. I do adore him. But I
think a Libra Ascendant will also go a long way to smooth out (I won't
say unkink, I wouldn't want that!) a Scorpio trike.

I like Sagittarians but on my own chart it coincides with the 6th House
of work and duty. As Ogden Nash said, "Oh Duty!/Why hast thou not the
face of a Sweetie or a Cutie?". It's not nearly so much fun as the 5th!

Cheers,

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 31 Oct 2007 06:54:01
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

On Oct 30, 1:22 pm, real-not-anti-spam-addr...@apple-juice.co.uk (D.M.
Procida) wrote:
> Bill Sornson <as...@ask.me> wrote:
> > >> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
> > >> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes in
> > >> general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
> > >> Get over it.
>
> > > That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it
> > > does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off
> > > your nose?
>
> > Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
> > /threatened/ by others' beliefs.
>
> Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.

Magical thinking leads to stupidity. It doesn't matter if it's being a
Baptist or some hippie chick promoting homeopathic pablum at the Whole
Paycheck. Now where are those WMDs?

Date: 31 Oct 2007 20:24:03
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

landotter wrote:
>
> Magical thinking leads to stupidity. It doesn't matter if it's being a
> Baptist or some hippie chick promoting homeopathic pablum at the Whole
> Paycheck. Now where are those WMDs?
>
The United States, Russia, France, United Kingdom, China, Israel, India,
Pakistan and possibly North Korea.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?

Date: 31 Oct 2007 19:57:31
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tom Sherman wrote:
> landotter wrote:
>>
>> Magical thinking leads to stupidity. It doesn't matter if it's being
>> a Baptist or some hippie chick promoting homeopathic pablum at the
>> Whole Paycheck. Now where are those WMDs?
>>
> The United States, Russia, France, United Kingdom, China, Israel,
> India, Pakistan and possibly North Korea.

Ooops. For a second there I thought you were listing the nations that
/knew/ Saddam had 'em.

Bill "just ask Hill" S.

PS: "I HAVE SEEN THE *COMING* OF THE LORD!!!!!!" -- Al Gore

Date: 29 Oct 2007 11:06:56
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Artemisia wrote:
> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly hope
> it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at 6:15 am
> next Saturday, November 3rd.
>
> This timing will give it a near-ideal horoscope in relation to myself
> and its vocation as a bike

Seems to me like you're trying to fiddle the books, deciding on an
absolute birth time yourself. if you believe in fates being ruled by
external things then surely the moment of birth will be ruled that way
as well, rather than at a time of *your* choosing.

> But how do I ensure that the bike is "born" at that moment? I envision
> something like a launching or foundation ceremony, minus the champagne.
> Here are some of the things I've thought I could do, allowing that
> nobody will be up at that time and that I will be quite alone.

if it happens to be auspicious to formally name someone/thing at a
certain time then that's one thing, but choosing the actual birth time
is, I'd have thought, out of your hands if you're not going to be the
actual manufacturer.

If fates are really influenced by the stars and planets, then they'll
have already influenced the trike that gets delivered to you. It will
be what it will be, and it will already have been "born" at a moment
outside of your control (just as a human baby would), and I would think
it would be best to work with what you get, rather than try and force it
into some preconceived mould which could be contrary to what it really
is. Very much like not deciding your kids need to be doctors and
lawyers when they're born because you've decided that's what's best for
them, irrespective of they may not want that or be cut out for that.

if the time of the naming ceremony, as opposed to the birth, is
important then that's a different matter, but I think it's quite
possibly to wrong to assume naming and birth are the same thing as
regards time.

As for the nature of the ceremony, that will be best answered by someone
who shares your beliefs, particularly yourself.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Date: 29 Oct 2007 10:38:23
From: Rob Morley
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <4724d5ab$0$11368$426a74cc@news.free.fr >, Artemisia
nospam@free.fr says...

Try asking in uk.religion.pagan? There's already enough religious
conflict here with Campag v. Shimano, derailleur v. hub v. fixed, flat
v. drop, road v. off road, disk v. rim brakes, suspension v. rigid,
battery v. dynamo, upright v. recumbent ...
;^ >

Date: 30 Oct 2007 10:37:56
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Rob Morley wrote:
> In article <4724d5ab$0$11368$426a74cc@news.free.fr>, Artemisia
> nospam@free.fr says...
>
> Try asking in uk.religion.pagan? There's already enough religious
> conflict here with Campag v. Shimano, derailleur v. hub v. fixed, flat
> v. drop, road v. off road, disk v. rim brakes, suspension v. rigid,
> battery v. dynamo, upright v. recumbent ...
> ;^>
>
Thanks, good idea!

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 29 Oct 2007 09:22:55
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Date: 29 Oct 2007 11:51:39
From: bugbear
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Date: 29 Oct 2007 00:51:35
From: OG
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

"Artemisia" <nospam@free.fr > wrote in message
news:4724d5ab$0$11368$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly hope
> it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at 6:15 am next
> Saturday, November 3rd.

> But how do I ensure that the bike is "born" at that moment?

Stay up all night drinking Absinthe in celebration of your apellation.

At the favourable time you could ride it 'sky clad', which would present a
favourable planetary conjunction to the saddle.

Date: 28 Oct 2007 16:27:09
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

On Oct 28, 6:03 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me > wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
> > landotter wrote:
> >> ...
> >> WWJD (who wants jelly donuts?)
>
> > WWJD - What Would Jobst Do?
>
> Only one Presidential candidate in 2000 wore a "What Would Jesus Do?"
> bracelet. (Hint: he was the one who stood in front of a mostly black
> church congregation and sputtered in a hoarse voice, "I have seen the COMING
> of the Lord!")
>
> His initials? A.G.

That's probably a lie, coming from a wingnut who thinks a sky monster
is on his side--but let's say it's true--seeing as he spoke out
against this war from day ONE--he actually did what Jesus would do.

Personally, I'd rather do what Groucho Marx would do!

Date: 28 Oct 2007 16:03:01
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

On Oct 28, 5:25 pm, Tony Raven <j...@raven-family.invalid > wrote:
> In article <1193608347.826760.78...@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> landot...@gmail.com says...
>
> > On Oct 28, 4:38 pm, Tony Raven <j...@raven-family.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
> > > Bertrand Russell
>
> > Funny you should quote Russell, as I'm drinking tea right now.
>
> Did you use his teapot? Only a lot of people are looking for it ;-)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
>

I'm a bigger fan of the invisible pink sky unicorn, who's both pink
*and* invisible. She's rumored to wear frilly underpants which say,
"who's your mommy?"

Date: 28 Oct 2007 15:48:35
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

On Oct 28, 5:42 pm, max <betat...@earthlink.net > wrote:
> In article <4724d5ab$0$11368$426a7...@news.free.fr>,
>
>
>
> Artemisia <nos...@free.fr> wrote:
> > My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly hope
> > it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at 6:15 am
> > next Saturday, November 3rd.
> [...]
>
> > EFR
> > Ile de France
>
> In moments such as this, we must ask, what would Asterix do?
>
Go boar hunting with Obelix!

Date: 28 Oct 2007 17:42:21
From: max
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <4724d5ab$0$11368$426a74cc@news.free.fr >,
Artemisia <nospam@free.fr > wrote:

> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly hope
> it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at 6:15 am
> next Saturday, November 3rd.
[...]
>
> EFR
> Ile de France

In moments such as this, we must ask, what would Asterix do?

bon �quitation!

je suis.max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

Date: 28 Oct 2007 14:52:27
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

On Oct 28, 4:38 pm, Tony Raven <j...@raven-family.invalid > wrote:
> In article <4724f1f5$0$9619$4c368...@roadrunner.com>, as...@ask.me
> says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > >>>>> In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
> > >>>>> seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
> > >>>>> stick.
>
> > >>>> Two sticks, actually.
>
> > >>> And a cross dude
>
> > >> Cross? I bet he was bloOdy angry!
>
> > > Something to do with the guy that did his nails.
>
> > Why don't you guys rag on Mohammed like this? (Or just draw a cartoon.)
>
> Why? Is he one of Landotter's Southern Baptist neighbours too?
>

Let me clarify--I got two SBC churches within rock throwing distance.
However, the Episcopalian church a mile down the road might have a
blessing of the bikes day--give those guys a few Dewar's and sodas and
they'll bless *anything*.

>
> " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
> Bertrand Russell

Funny you should quote Russell, as I'm drinking tea right now.
Luzianne--likely the same as the Baptists!

Date: 28 Oct 2007 22:25:43
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <1193608347.826760.78220@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >,
landotter@gmail.com says...
> On Oct 28, 4:38 pm, Tony Raven <j...@raven-family.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > " I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
> > Bertrand Russell
>
> Funny you should quote Russell, as I'm drinking tea right now.
>

Did you use his teapot? Only a lot of people are looking for it ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

--
Tony

"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box
when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it."
- Terry Pratchett

Date: 28 Oct 2007 14:30:16
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

On Oct 28, 3:32 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me > wrote:
> Tony Raven wrote:
> > In article <FKqdnXGjYaKTdrnanZ2dnUVZ8tSdn...@bt.com>,
> > initial.surn...@btinternet.com says...
> >> Tony Raven wrote:
> >>> In article <bKGdnTjiBeCeernanZ2dnUVZ_i2dn...@comcast.com>,
> >>> markfel...@gmail.com says...
> >>>> landotter wrote:
>
> >>>>> Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!
>
> >>>>> In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
> >>>>> seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
> >>>>> stick.
>
> >>>> Two sticks, actually.
>
> >>> And a cross dude
>
> >> Cross? I bet he was bloOdy angry!
>
> > Something to do with the guy that did his nails.
>
> Why don't you guys rag on Mohammed like this? (Or just draw a cartoon.)
>

That war of yours is getting to ya, huh?

WWJD (who wants jelly donuts?)

Date: 28 Oct 2007 16:58:29
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

landotter wrote:
> ...
> WWJD (who wants jelly donuts?)

WWJD - What Would Jobst Do?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?

Date: 28 Oct 2007 16:03:11
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tom Sherman wrote:
> landotter wrote:
>> ...
>> WWJD (who wants jelly donuts?)
>
> WWJD - What Would Jobst Do?

Only one Presidential candidate in 2000 wore a "What Would Jesus Do?"
bracelet. (Hint: he was the one who stood in front of a mostly black
church congregation and sputtered in a hoarse voice, "I have seen the COMING
of the Lord!")

His initials? A.G.

(Of course, Obama has openly preached this time around, too. Hillary just
panders in her faux southern black -- read, INSULTING -- dialect.)

HTH!

Date: 28 Oct 2007 23:12:41
From: marc
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> landotter wrote:
>>> ...
>>> WWJD (who wants jelly donuts?)
>> WWJD - What Would Jobst Do?
>
> Only one Presidential candidate in 2000 wore a "What Would Jesus Do?"
> bracelet. (Hint: he was the one who stood in front of a mostly black
> church congregation and sputtered in a hoarse voice, "I have seen the COMING
> of the Lord!")
>
> His initials? A.G.
>
> (Of course, Obama has openly preached this time around, too. Hillary just
> panders in her faux southern black -- read, INSULTING -- dialect.)

Merkin politics! Boring!

Date: 28 Oct 2007 17:49:28
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

marc wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> landotter wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> WWJD (who wants jelly donuts?)
>>> WWJD - What Would Jobst Do?
>>
>> Only one Presidential candidate in 2000 wore a "What Would Jesus Do?"
>> bracelet. (Hint: he was the one who stood in front of a mostly
>> black church congregation and sputtered in a hoarse voice, "I have
>> seen the COMING of the Lord!")
>>
>> His initials? A.G.
>>
>> (Of course, Obama has openly preached this time around, too. Hillary just
>> panders in her faux southern black -- read, INSULTING
>> -- dialect.)
>
> Merkin politics! Boring!

Don't disagree...but sadly not just Americans are "brave hipsters" unafraid
of insulting the masses, except of course for the masses they DO fear but
won't admit. (Hint: just look at who jumped in once someone brought
Christianity into a trike's horoscope thread! LOL )

HTH (but won't hold breath), BS

Date: 28 Oct 2007 14:28:23
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

On Oct 28, 2:45 pm, mark <markfel...@gmail.com > wrote:
> landotter wrote:
> > Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!
>
> > In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
> > seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
> > stick.
>
> Two sticks, actually.

Hey, this isn't rec.bicycles.tech

Date: 28 Oct 2007 12:42:24
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <4724d5ab$0$11368$426a74cc@news.free.fr >,
Artemisia <nospam@free.fr > writes:
> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly hope
> it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at 6:15 am
> next Saturday, November 3rd.
>
> This timing will give it a near-ideal horoscope in relation to myself
> and its vocation as a bike, apart from a few significant blemishes (a
> very bad Venus, suggesting rejection from groups and support vans, a
> dangerous Pluto that could be interpreted as "death by transport"...)
> The bike will have a Mars-Sun-Uranus grand trine relaying my natal
> Sun-Mars trine and will have Mercury and Ascendant conjoint two
> auspicious fixed stars, Spica and Arcturus.
>
> But how do I ensure that the bike is "born" at that moment?

Hook it up to a bunch of electricity,
raise it on a platform up a tower in
a thunderstorm, and hang-wringingly
admonish it to "Live! Live! Live!"

Oh -- and make sure your hunchbacked
assistant brings you the proper brain,
not the one that once belonged to
Abbie Normal.

cheers,
Tom

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Date: 28 Oct 2007 23:43:00
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tom Keats wrote:

> Hook it up to a bunch of electricity,
> raise it on a platform up a tower in
> a thunderstorm, and hang-wringingly
> admonish it to "Live! Live! Live!"

Didn't that one go horribly wrong the last time someone tried it?

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 28 Oct 2007 15:41:37
From: mb
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Artemisia wrote:

> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly
> hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at
> 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
>

It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes in
general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
Get over it.

--
Mike
Van Tuyl titanium Dura ace 10
Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
Raleigh Record sprint mongrel
Huissoon project bike (in bits, natch)

Date: 30 Oct 2007 15:56:46
From: Carol Hague
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

mb <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com > wrote:

> Artemisia wrote:
>
> > My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly
> > hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at
> > 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
> >
>
> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes in
> general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
> Get over it.

That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it does
no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off your nose?

--
Carol
"If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put
that thing in your mouth. Particularly if the thing is
cats." - Lemony Snicket _The Wide Window_

Date: 30 Oct 2007 18:29:47
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Carol Hague wrote:
> mb <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:

> That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it does
> no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off your nose?

Thanks Carol, but it's no skin off my nose either. G.B. Shaw used to say
"Superstition is the religion of intelligent people".

I hope all is well and happy with you and Ron and all those beautiful
Greenspeeds. Whatever their horoscopes, may the skies shower you and
them with fun and joy.

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 30 Oct 2007 10:14:55
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Carol Hague wrote:
> mb <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Artemisia wrote:
>>
>>> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly
>>> hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at
>>> 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
>>>
>>
>> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
>> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes in
>> general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
>> Get over it.
>
> That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it
> does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off
> your nose?

Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
/threatened/ by others' beliefs.

Date: 31 Oct 2007 20:20:40
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Carol Hague wrote:
>> mb <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Artemisia wrote:
>>>
>>>> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly
>>>> hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at
>>>> 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
>>>>
>>> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
>>> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes in
>>> general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
>>> Get over it.
>> That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it
>> does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off
>> your nose?
>
> Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
> /threatened/ by others' beliefs.

I am threatened by fundamentalist "Christian" beliefs, since they either
have or are trying to make them the law of the land.

Is is NO ONE'S concern what I do, as long as it does not harm another
individual.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?

Date: 31 Oct 2007 20:03:06
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tom Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Carol Hague wrote:
>>> mb <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Artemisia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I
>>>>> dearly hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially
>>>>> launched, at 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
>>>>>
>>>> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
>>>> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes
>>>> in general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
>>>> Get over it.
>>> That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it
>>> does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off
>>> your nose?
>>
>> Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
>> /threatened/ by others' beliefs.
>
> I am threatened by fundamentalist "Christian" beliefs, since they
> either have or are trying to make them the law of the land.

Oh? How so? (Do they stone "loose women" that wear lipstick to death?
Hang homosexuals in public squares? Behead infidels -- or better yet, have
their 10-year-old boys do it?!? Oh, wait, those aren't "Christians", are
they?)

OTOH, liberals are trying to control what people eat, drive, drink, THINK,
smoke, use, enjoy, HEAR, read, light, etc. etc. etc.

> Is is NO ONE'S concern what I do, as long as it does not harm another
> individual.

So go ahead. Conservatives aren't the ones trying to take away your trans
fats.

HTH (BKIW)

Date: 01 Nov 2007 07:14:04
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <472941e7$0$32515$4c368faf@roadrunner.com >, askme@ask.me
says...
> Tom Sherman wrote:
> > Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> Carol Hague wrote:
> >>> mb <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Artemisia wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I
> >>>>> dearly hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially
> >>>>> launched, at 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
> >>>>>
> >>>> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
> >>>> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes
> >>>> in general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
> >>>> Get over it.
> >>> That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it
> >>> does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off
> >>> your nose?
> >>
> >> Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
> >> /threatened/ by others' beliefs.
> >
> > I am threatened by fundamentalist "Christian" beliefs, since they
> > either have or are trying to make them the law of the land.
>
> Oh? How so? (Do they stone "loose women" that wear lipstick to death?
> Hang homosexuals in public squares? Behead infidels -- or better yet, have
> their 10-year-old boys do it?!? Oh, wait, those aren't "Christians", are
> they?)
>

I don't think it wise to start that comparison given the tortures,
terrors and abuses inflicted in the name of Christ over the years.
Witch finders Spanish Inquisition, Star Chamber, Conquistadors........
--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 01 Nov 2007 22:16:36
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:
> In article <472941e7$0$32515$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, askme@ask.me
> says...
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> Carol Hague wrote:
>>>>> mb <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Artemisia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I
>>>>>>> dearly hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially
>>>>>>> launched, at 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
>>>>>> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes
>>>>>> in general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
>>>>>> Get over it.
>>>>> That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it
>>>>> does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off
>>>>> your nose?
>>>> Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
>>>> /threatened/ by others' beliefs.
>>> I am threatened by fundamentalist "Christian" beliefs, since they
>>> either have or are trying to make them the law of the land.
>> Oh? How so? (Do they stone "loose women" that wear lipstick to death?
>> Hang homosexuals in public squares? Behead infidels -- or better yet, have
>> their 10-year-old boys do it?!? Oh, wait, those aren't "Christians", are
>> they?)

The fundamentalists are trying to impose censorship and regulate sexual
behavior, neither of which is a function of a moral government.

> I don't think it wise to start that comparison given the tortures,
> terrors and abuses inflicted in the name of Christ over the years.
> Witch finders Spanish Inquisition, Star Chamber, Conquistadors........

Not to mention the barbarian European crusaders attacking the civilized
Arab Muslims.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?

Date: 02 Nov 2007 00:52:41
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tom Sherman wrote (additional attributions lost in shuffle):

>>>> I am threatened by fundamentalist "Christian" beliefs, since they
>>>> either have or are trying to make them the law of the land.

>>> Oh? How so? (Do they stone "loose women" that wear lipstick to
>>> death? Hang homosexuals in public squares? Behead infidels -- or
>>> better yet, have their 10-year-old boys do it?!? Oh, wait, those
>>> aren't "Christians", are they?)

> The fundamentalists are trying to impose censorship and regulate
> sexual behavior, neither of which is a function of a moral government.

CENSORSHIP? Seen what happens when a conservative tries to speak at a
college campus lately? (Or someone asks for the Clinton archives from
Hillary's "relevant experience" in the WH.)

As for sexual behavior, giving ELEVEN-YEAR-OLDS birth control pills without
parental permission OR notification seems a lot like behavior control to me.

Who is trying to censor you? Who is trying to regulate your sex life, and
how?

Details, please.

Date: 02 Nov 2007 14:20:42
From: marc
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote (additional attributions lost in shuffle):
>
>>>>> I am threatened by fundamentalist "Christian" beliefs, since they
>>>>> either have or are trying to make them the law of the land.
>
>>>> Oh? How so? (Do they stone "loose women" that wear lipstick to
>>>> death? Hang homosexuals in public squares? Behead infidels -- or
>>>> better yet, have their 10-year-old boys do it?!? Oh, wait, those
>>>> aren't "Christians", are they?)
>
>> The fundamentalists are trying to impose censorship and regulate
>> sexual behavior, neither of which is a function of a moral government.
>
> CENSORSHIP? Seen what happens when a conservative tries to speak at a
> college campus lately? (Or someone asks for the Clinton archives from
> Hillary's "relevant experience" in the WH.)
>
> As for sexual behavior, giving ELEVEN-YEAR-OLDS birth control pills without
> parental permission OR notification seems a lot like behavior control to me.
>
> Who is trying to censor you? Who is trying to regulate your sex life, and
> how?
>
> Details, please.

Boring merkin argument, please try and keep it to a NG that may care.

Date: 02 Nov 2007 09:04:12
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

marc wrote:

> Boring merkin argument, please try and keep it to a NG that may care.

I try to quoth Raven never more. (He added UK group AFAIK.)

Date: 01 Nov 2007 00:23:22
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:
> In article <472941e7$0$32515$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, askme@ask.me
> says...
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> Carol Hague wrote:
>>>>> mb <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Artemisia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I
>>>>>>> dearly hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially
>>>>>>> launched, at 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
>>>>>> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on
>>>>>> bikes in general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
>>>>>> Get over it.
>>>>> That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if
>>>>> it does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin
>>>>> off your nose?
>>>>
>>>> Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
>>>> /threatened/ by others' beliefs.
>>>
>>> I am threatened by fundamentalist "Christian" beliefs, since they
>>> either have or are trying to make them the law of the land.
>>
>> Oh? How so? (Do they stone "loose women" that wear lipstick to
>> death? Hang homosexuals in public squares? Behead infidels -- or
>> better yet, have their 10-year-old boys do it?!? Oh, wait, those
>> aren't "Christians", are they?)
>>
>
> I don't think it wise to start that comparison given the tortures,
> terrors and abuses inflicted in the name of Christ over the years.
> Witch finders Spanish Inquisition, Star Chamber, Conquistadors........

In what century are you living?

Date: 30 Oct 2007 18:22:22
From: D.M. Procida
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me > wrote:

> >> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
> >> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes in
> >> general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
> >> Get over it.
> >
> > That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it
> > does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off
> > your nose?
>
> Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
> /threatened/ by others' beliefs.

Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.

Daniele

Date: 30 Oct 2007 22:50:30
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

D.M. Procida wrote:

> Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.

Yeah you guys don't wanna mess with me - at midnight it's Halloween and
I turn you all into newts...

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 31 Oct 2007 08:37:19
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <4727a71f$0$5259$426a74cc@news.free.fr >, nospam@free.fr
says...
>
> Yeah you guys don't wanna mess with me - at midnight it's Halloween and
> I turn you all into newts...
>

Could you make that a frog only they get to be kissed by lots of
princesses ;-)

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 31 Oct 2007 10:03:05
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:

> Could you make that a frog only they get to be kissed by lots of
> princesses ;-)

Are you sure? Here in France they end up kissed by lots of parsley and
garlic ...

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 31 Oct 2007 09:22:03
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <472844c1$0$31329$426a74cc@news.free.fr >, nospam@free.fr
says...
> Tony Raven wrote:
>
> > Could you make that a frog only they get to be kissed by lots of
> > princesses ;-)
>
> Are you sure? Here in France they end up kissed by lots of parsley and
> garlic ...
>

Yes but I live in the UK - or are you saying your dark arts can't reach
out beyond French shores?

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 31 Oct 2007 20:39:38
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:

> Ribet-ribet ribet ribet - ribet-ribet-ribet ribet - ribet ribet-ribet-ribet.
> Ribet ribet ribet-ribet?
>

Ok, well just make sure to stay away from French restaurants until dawn
tomorrow.

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 31 Oct 2007 21:06:45
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <4728d9f2$0$12510$426a74cc@news.free.fr >, nospam@free.fr
says...
> Tony Raven wrote:
>
> > Ribet-ribet ribet ribet - ribet-ribet-ribet ribet - ribet ribet-ribet-ribet.
> > Ribet ribet ribet-ribet?
> >
>
> Ok, well just make sure to stay away from French restaurants until dawn
> tomorrow.
>

Bloody American frogs!
;-)

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 30 Oct 2007 15:12:10
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Artemisia wrote:
> D.M. Procida wrote:
>
>> Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.
>
> Yeah you guys don't wanna mess with me - at midnight it's Halloween
> and I turn you all into newts...
>

Gin grinchs?

Date: 30 Oct 2007 22:01:49
From: Martin Dann
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Artemisia wrote:
Neil Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:32:18 +0000, Stimpy <stimpy1997uk@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>> The guys that drive our Benz Sprinter vans would agree with you there
>
> Or those who are forced to travel on the shitty Plaxton Beaver
> conversions of the Vario series into a so-called "bus".
>
> Neil
>

> D.M. Procida wrote:
>
>> Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.
>
> Yeah you guys don't wanna mess with me - at midnight it's Halloween and
> I turn you all into newts...
>
> EFR
> Ile de France

I think that you have got the wrong day. Halloween starts at sunset
tomorrow, and ends at Sunrise Thursday.
Anyway, happy new year on Thursday.

Date: 30 Oct 2007 23:06:37
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Martin Dann wrote:

> Anyway, happy new year on Thursday.

Thanks. You will be spared.

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 30 Oct 2007 12:34:17
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

D.M. Procida wrote:
> Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>
>>>> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
>>>> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes
>>>> in general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
>>>> Get over it.
>>>
>>> That's a tad harsh. I don't believe in horoscopes myself, but if it
>>> does no harm and makes the OP feel better, surely it's no skin off
>>> your nose?
>>
>> Bingo. It always amazes me how so many "enlightened" people are so
>> /threatened/ by others' beliefs.
>
> Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.

Yes, the OP's belief in her trike's astrological qualities is quite
upsetting, indeed. Oh, wait...

Date: 30 Oct 2007 18:34:49
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <1i6t6zq.1my2n546gkrphN%real-not-anti-spam-address@apple-
juice.co.uk >, real-not-anti-spam-address@apple-juice.co.uk says...
>
> Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.
>

Especially if they include human sacrifices or cannibalism ;-)

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 30 Oct 2007 12:35:23
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:
> In article <1i6t6zq.1my2n546gkrphN%real-not-anti-spam-address@apple-
> juice.co.uk>, real-not-anti-spam-address@apple-juice.co.uk says...
>>
>> Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.
>>
>
> Especially if they include human sacrifices or cannibalism ;-)

Perhaps a dictionary would help. Start with "beliefs" and then look up
"practices".

HTH

Date: 30 Oct 2007 20:42:10
From: D.M. Procida
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me > wrote:

> >> Other people's beliefs can be extremely threatening.
> >>
> >
> > Especially if they include human sacrifices or cannibalism ;-)
>
> Perhaps a dictionary would help. Start with "beliefs" and then look up
> "practices".

It's pretty rare for people to have beliefs which don't inform their
practices. In fact, I'm not sure what kind of a belief it would be that
didn't make a difference to practices.

For what it's worth, I thought the original poster was joking and didn't
feel threatened.

Daniele

Date: 28 Oct 2007 21:53:42
From: vernon
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

"mb" <zierikzeeNO@SPAMgmail.com > wrote in message
news:NrKdnX1gk_6cabnanZ2dnUVZ8tignZ2d@zeelandnet.nl...
> Artemisia wrote:
>
>> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly
>> hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at
>> 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
>>
>
> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes in
> general, god doesn't exist, sky fairies don't exist.
> Get over it.
>
The court that convicted a chap of a sexual offence against a bike will
disagree with your sentiments about inanimate objects......

Date: 28 Oct 2007 15:53:48
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

mb? wrote:
> Artemisia wrote:
>
>> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly
>> hope it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at
>> 6:15 am next Saturday, November 3rd.
>>
>
> It's a trike, it's an inanimate object.
> Horoscopes are nonsense, planets and stars have no effect on bikes in
> general,

The gravity produced by a certain planet has a definite effect on the
performance of my bikes and trike, not to mention its surface and
atmosphere. The radiation produced by the nearest star also greatly
affects my riding conditions.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?

Date: 28 Oct 2007 12:27:37
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Artemisia wrote:
> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly hope
> it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at 6:15 am
> next Saturday, November 3rd.
>
> [mercy snip]

Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!

In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
stick.

Date: 28 Oct 2007 13:45:39
From: mark
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

landotter wrote:

> Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!
>
> In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
> seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
> stick.
>

Two sticks, actually.

Date: 28 Oct 2007 20:00:57
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <bKGdnTjiBeCeernanZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com >,
markfelber@gmail.com says...
> landotter wrote:
>
> > Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!
> >
> > In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
> > seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
> > stick.
> >
>
> Two sticks, actually.
>

And a cross dude

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 28 Oct 2007 20:03:06
From: marc
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:
> In article <bKGdnTjiBeCeernanZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> markfelber@gmail.com says...
>> landotter wrote:
>>
>>> Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!
>>>
>>> In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
>>> seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
>>> stick.
>>>
>> Two sticks, actually.
>>
>
> And a cross dude
>

Cross? I bet he was bloOdy angry!

Date: 28 Oct 2007 20:10:25
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <FKqdnXGjYaKTdrnanZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d@bt.com >,
initial.surname@btinternet.com says...
> Tony Raven wrote:
> > In article <bKGdnTjiBeCeernanZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > markfelber@gmail.com says...
> >> landotter wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!
> >>>
> >>> In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
> >>> seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
> >>> stick.
> >>>
> >> Two sticks, actually.
> >>
> >
> > And a cross dude
> >
>
>
> Cross? I bet he was bloOdy angry!
>

Something to do with the guy that did his nails.

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 28 Oct 2007 13:32:46
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:
> In article <FKqdnXGjYaKTdrnanZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d@bt.com>,
> initial.surname@btinternet.com says...
>> Tony Raven wrote:
>>> In article <bKGdnTjiBeCeernanZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>>> markfelber@gmail.com says...
>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!
>>>>>
>>>>> In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
>>>>> seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
>>>>> stick.
>>>>>
>>>> Two sticks, actually.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And a cross dude
>>>
>>
>>
>> Cross? I bet he was bloOdy angry!
>>
>
> Something to do with the guy that did his nails.

Why don't you guys rag on Mohammed like this? (Or just draw a cartoon.)

Bill "oh, and publish your addresses while you're at it" S.

Date: 28 Oct 2007 21:38:15
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <4724f1f5$0$9619$4c368faf@roadrunner.com >, askme@ask.me
says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
> >>>>> seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
> >>>>> stick.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Two sticks, actually.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> And a cross dude
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cross? I bet he was bloOdy angry!
> >>
> >
> > Something to do with the guy that did his nails.
>
> Why don't you guys rag on Mohammed like this? (Or just draw a cartoon.)
>

Why? Is he one of Landotter's Southern Baptist neighbours too?

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 28 Oct 2007 21:01:07
From: marc
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tony Raven wrote:
>> In article <FKqdnXGjYaKTdrnanZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d@bt.com>,
>> initial.surname@btinternet.com says...
>>> Tony Raven wrote:
>>>> In article <bKGdnTjiBeCeernanZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>>>> markfelber@gmail.com says...
>>>>> landotter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever try post-Enlightenment thought? Saves you time and effort!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other news, your post made the Southern Baptists across the way
>>>>>> seem a heck of a lot less crazy. They just believe in a dude on a
>>>>>> stick.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Two sticks, actually.
>>>>>
>>>> And a cross dude
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cross? I bet he was bloOdy angry!
>>>
>> Something to do with the guy that did his nails.
>
> Why don't you guys rag on Mohammed like this?

Is he cross?

(Or just draw a cartoon.)

Can't draw.

Date: 28 Oct 2007 18:56:11
From: Tony Raven
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

In article <4724d5ab$0$11368$426a74cc@news.free.fr >, nospam@free.fr
says...
>
> But how do I ensure that the bike is "born" at that moment?

Wasn't it born the moment it left the inside of its creator - the
factory. What you are proposing is the equivalent of its being born at
the baby shower or christening ceremony neither of which are the actual
birth date.

Also didn't we do this before with FlyZipper and it didn't work or
something?

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

Date: 28 Oct 2007 23:34:42
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:

> Also didn't we do this before with FlyZipper and it didn't work or
> something?

A ship or a building is born at its launching or foundation stone
ceremony. A marriage is born at the pronouncement of the vows. These
events can be astrologically planned to get the most auspicious charts.
This is a branch of astrology called electional astrology which falls
between natal and horary.

With Flyzipper I used electional astrology to determine a moment to pick
him up at the shop where he was made road-ready. With Behemoth I took a
much more passive attitude and used the moment the transaction was paid
for by credit card - that proved to have disastrous consequences with a
bike that I never really got comfortable riding.

So for the new bike I want to take the electional principle even
further. The moment is the one that inaugurates its relationship to me -
its production in the factory is irrelevant because there is nothing
about that to make it _my_ bike. Nor will the moment of any financial
transaction have significance, since it is being paid for over 4 months,
in installments.

At what moment does this bike become _my_ bike and become a part of my
life, as opposed to just a wish, an aspiration or a plan? The news is
that I can choose. Just one more proof of the superiority of bikes over
children.

Cheers,

EFR
Ile de France

Date: 31 Oct 2007 21:44:34
From: David Damerell
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Quoting Artemisia <nospam@free.fr >:
>Tony Raven wrote:
>>Also didn't we do this before with FlyZipper and it didn't work or
>>something?
>This is a branch of astrology called electional astrology which falls
>between natal and horary.

That's a new spelling of "hooey".
--
David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk > Distortion Field!
Today is Sunday, October - a weekend.

Date: 28 Oct 2007 14:00:44
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Tony Raven wrote:
> In article <4724d5ab$0$11368$426a74cc@news.free.fr>, nospam@free.fr
> says...
>> But how do I ensure that the bike is "born" at that moment?
>
> Wasn't it born the moment it left the inside of its creator - the
> factory. What you are proposing is the equivalent of its being born at
> the baby shower or christening ceremony neither of which are the actual
> birth date....

Is "birth" final assembly of the frame or completion of the first
build-up? Does not the latter occur at the dealer in many cases?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?

Date: 28 Oct 2007 18:49:44
From: Paul Boyd
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

On 28/10/2007 18:32, Artemisia said,
> My new recumbent trike is supposed to arrive this week and I dearly hope
> it does. It is supposed to be "born", officially launched, at 6:15 am
> next Saturday, November 3rd.

<Snip >

You could just go out and ride it :-)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Date: 28 Oct 2007 19:52:58
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Suggestions - Pagan Birthing Ceremony for a Trike?

Paul Boyd wrote:

>
> You could just go out and ride it :-)
>

That will follow.

EFR
Ile de France