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Date: 12 Jun 2007 06:07:13
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Time to bomb Iran?
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I see that the mild mannered Senator Lieberman of Conn. is now advocating
that it may be necessary to bomb Iran. However, I am pretty sure he is
talking about conventional bombs, not nuclear bombs. Well, the Great Ed
Dolan says to bomb them with nuclear bombs. Yea, and take out their holy
city of Qum too while we are about it. We need to teach these Muslim
fanatics a lesson, the main one being not to mess with the US.
I believe tactical nuclear weapons would suffice, but if they object too
much then I say take out Tehran with a block buster of a bomb. My God, these
Iranians are savages not much more advanced than the American Indian was
when our pioneer forefathers took them out.
What the hell good does it do to have nuclear weapons if you are never going
to use them. I say use them now and with great gusto! Besides the Iranians,
I would like to see all the American liberals taken out with atom bombs too.
Yea, just drop an atom bomb on Tom Sherman's head and that will go a long
ways to getting America back on the right track.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 20:11:19
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 19, 9:54 pm, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jun 19, 6:13 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 5:59 am, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 18, 9:39 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>
> > > > Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 18, 8:14 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate posted from under his
> > > > > bridge:
> > > > >> ...
> > > > >> Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born that
> > > > >> way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch name,
> > > > >> so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal human
> > > > >> scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!...
>
> > > > > I would have thought that "Jobst Brandt" was a German name, not Dutch.
>
> > > > > Jobst does lean strongly to the left: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> > > > > brandt/images/tiretest.jpg>. ;)
>
> > > > Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
>
> > > That is "jim beam's" full-time occupation.
>
> > > > Even I won't do that, but I will question a few of his educated guesses.
> > > > Jobst is usually pretty much on the mark, like with that wind vector
> > > > analysis he did a while back. A side breeze will impede you in both
> > > > directions and sometimes even a tailwind can be a hindrance due to lack
> > > > of cooling from airflow.
>
> > > Some of JB's educated guesses on pavements sound off the mark to
> > > someone who designs pavements on a professional basis.
>
> > > > If Ed Dolan is from the perpetual sorrows maybe it's because he is there?
>
> > > E.D. is mostly cooped up in his hovel, drinking too much Livingston
> > > Cellars Red Rose [1].
>
> > > [1] <http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Livingston%20Red%20Rose.html>.
>
> > > --
>
> > YEOW! No wonder he's cranky! :-((
>
> > (There's nothing quite like "jug wine" repackaged in cute 'lil 750ml
> > bottles and given a quasi-pretentious description.)
>
> The website says 1.5L and 3.0L sizes.
>
> 3.0L would appear to qualify as a "jug" wine.
>
>
You can take the wine out of the jug (i.e., package in smaller
containers), but you can't take the "jug wine" out of the (cheap,
vile) wine. ;-)
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 03:15:14
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>
> You can take the wine out of the jug (i.e., package in smaller
> containers), but you can't take the "jug wine" out of the (cheap,
> vile) wine. ;-)
>
Like anybody cared in 1969?
Bill Baka
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 20:07:31
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 19, 2:49 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
> ....
> Once you get into your late 60's, you no longer know much about anything
> current....
And Mr. Ed Dolan is over 70 years old. ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 20:05:19
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 19, 2:39 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>
> > On Jun 18, 11:48 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
> >> attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure that
> >> the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to speed
> >> on that at least if you want to talk about such things....
>
> Well, to answer an idiot, Dolan to be exact, just who the hell are we at
> war with? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, unspecified terrorists, or the whole
> damn world? The terrorists did accomplish one thing, with the shit for
> brains in the oval office right now. He has turned this country into
> cowards fearing a terrorist behind every umm.., bush, and has pretty
> well not followed the Constitution, but we sure have camera watching
> everybody now. Not to mention that he wanted cell phones that could be
> turned on without ringing so the good old United States could listen in
> on you anytime they wanted. Sure beats land line wire tapping. The GPS
> can also be used to track your every move, along with all the credit
> card purchases you make. I'm not paranoid, but the general public is
> losing freedom bit by bit and day by day. That means the terrorists won,
> no matter what, and we will probably bankrupt the country with this
> 'war' on terror. If the moron Bush was at all serious he would really
> seal the border with Mexico since if so many Mexicans can cross then a
> few terrorists can mix in with the crowd. They know this and I know
> this, but it appears that you and Bush are both too stupid to get it.
Why not quote the expert?
"Americans will terrorize themselves. They will constrict their
precious civil liberties. They will eventually bring their society to
a state that is not recognizable with what it was before September
11th." - Usama bin Laden.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 12:58:38
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182308719.814529.77840@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 2:39 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>> > On Jun 18, 11:48 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>> >> ...
>> >> Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
>> >> attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure
>> >> that
>> >> the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to
>> >> speed
>> >> on that at least if you want to talk about such things....
>>
>> Well, to answer an idiot, Dolan to be exact, just who the hell are we at
>> war with? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, unspecified terrorists, or the whole
>> damn world? The terrorists did accomplish one thing, with the shit for
>> brains in the oval office right now. He has turned this country into
>> cowards fearing a terrorist behind every umm.., bush, and has pretty
>> well not followed the Constitution, but we sure have camera watching
>> everybody now. Not to mention that he wanted cell phones that could be
>> turned on without ringing so the good old United States could listen in
>> on you anytime they wanted. Sure beats land line wire tapping. The GPS
>> can also be used to track your every move, along with all the credit
>> card purchases you make. I'm not paranoid, but the general public is
>> losing freedom bit by bit and day by day. That means the terrorists won,
>> no matter what, and we will probably bankrupt the country with this
>> 'war' on terror. If the moron Bush was at all serious he would really
>> seal the border with Mexico since if so many Mexicans can cross then a
>> few terrorists can mix in with the crowd. They know this and I know
>> this, but it appears that you and Bush are both too stupid to get it.
>
> Why not quote the expert?
>
> "Americans will terrorize themselves. They will constrict their
> precious civil liberties. They will eventually bring their society to
> a state that is not recognizable with what it was before September
> 11th." - Usama bin Laden.
The liberal Dems want to keep everything just as it was before 9/11. That is
because they are cowards and traitors besides being stupid.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 19:54:15
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 19, 6:13 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jun 19, 5:59 am, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 18, 9:39 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>
> > > Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > > > On Jun 18, 8:14 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate posted from under his
> > > > bridge:
> > > >> ...
> > > >> Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born that
> > > >> way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch name,
> > > >> so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal human
> > > >> scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!...
>
> > > > I would have thought that "Jobst Brandt" was a German name, not Dutch.
>
> > > > Jobst does lean strongly to the left: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> > > > brandt/images/tiretest.jpg>. ;)
>
> > > Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
>
> > That is "jim beam's" full-time occupation.
>
> > > Even I won't do that, but I will question a few of his educated guesses.
> > > Jobst is usually pretty much on the mark, like with that wind vector
> > > analysis he did a while back. A side breeze will impede you in both
> > > directions and sometimes even a tailwind can be a hindrance due to lack
> > > of cooling from airflow.
>
> > Some of JB's educated guesses on pavements sound off the mark to
> > someone who designs pavements on a professional basis.
>
> > > If Ed Dolan is from the perpetual sorrows maybe it's because he is there?
>
> > E.D. is mostly cooped up in his hovel, drinking too much Livingston
> > Cellars Red Rose [1].
>
> > [1] <http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Livingston%20Red%20Rose.html>.
>
> > --
>
> YEOW! No wonder he's cranky! :-((
>
> (There's nothing quite like "jug wine" repackaged in cute 'lil 750ml
> bottles and given a quasi-pretentious description.)
The website says 1.5L and 3.0L sizes.
3.0L would appear to qualify as a "jug" wine.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 19:52:52
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 19, 10:28 am, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" wrote:
>
> > YEOW! No wonder he's cranky! :-((
>
> > (There's nothing quite like "jug wine" repackaged in cute 'lil 750ml
> > bottles and given a quasi-pretentious description.)
>
> Is 750 ml the same as 2 liters? I hate all these metric measurements....
Ed, you disappoint me. A milliliter is obviously 1/1000 of a liter, so
750 milliliters is 37.5% of 2 liters.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 12:13:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182307972.730176.50520@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 10:28 am, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>> "Ozark Bicycle" wrote:
>>
>> > YEOW! No wonder he's cranky! :-((
>>
>> > (There's nothing quite like "jug wine" repackaged in cute 'lil 750ml
>> > bottles and given a quasi-pretentious description.)
>>
>> Is 750 ml the same as 2 liters? I hate all these metric measurements....
>
> Ed, you disappoint me. A milliliter is obviously 1/1000 of a liter, so
> 750 milliliters is 37.5% of 2 liters.
Just as I thought! Anyone who buys wine in less than a gallon size is a wimp
and an effete. Hmmm, I wonder if it is possible to buy wine in sizes larger
than a gallon - although this might not be good for one's health. All those
anti-oxidants might actually kill you.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 04:13:25
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 19, 5:59 am, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jun 18, 9:39 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>
> > Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > > On Jun 18, 8:14 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate posted from under his
> > > bridge:
> > >> ...
> > >> Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born that
> > >> way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch name,
> > >> so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal human
> > >> scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!...
>
> > > I would have thought that "Jobst Brandt" was a German name, not Dutch.
>
> > > Jobst does lean strongly to the left: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> > > brandt/images/tiretest.jpg>. ;)
>
> > Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
>
> That is "jim beam's" full-time occupation.
>
> > Even I won't do that, but I will question a few of his educated guesses.
> > Jobst is usually pretty much on the mark, like with that wind vector
> > analysis he did a while back. A side breeze will impede you in both
> > directions and sometimes even a tailwind can be a hindrance due to lack
> > of cooling from airflow.
>
> Some of JB's educated guesses on pavements sound off the mark to
> someone who designs pavements on a professional basis.
>
> > If Ed Dolan is from the perpetual sorrows maybe it's because he is there?
>
> E.D. is mostly cooped up in his hovel, drinking too much Livingston
> Cellars Red Rose [1].
>
> [1] <http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Livingston%20Red%20Rose.html>.
>
> --
YEOW! No wonder he's cranky! :-((
(There's nothing quite like "jug wine" repackaged in cute 'lil 750ml
bottles and given a quasi-pretentious description.)
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 19:51:45
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Jun 19, 5:59 am, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 9:39 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>> If Ed Dolan is from the perpetual sorrows maybe it's because he is there?
>> E.D. is mostly cooped up in his hovel, drinking too much Livingston
>> Cellars Red Rose [1].
>>
>> [1] <http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Livingston%20Red%20Rose.html>.
>>
>> --
>
> YEOW! No wonder he's cranky! :-((
>
> (There's nothing quite like "jug wine" repackaged in cute 'lil 750ml
> bottles and given a quasi-pretentious description.)
>
That jug wine was popular back in the 60's when you could buy a gallon
of Vin Rose for about $1.29. We used to pass the jug around right behind
the inevitable 'smoke' in a circle of about ten people in Griffith park.
I should probably still have a hangover, but damn, 1969 was fun.
Wine, women, song, and all you could smoke.
As long as you weren't in the service that had to be the best year ever.
Bill Baka
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 15:42:07
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:ltWdi.146$K44.131@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
[...]
> That jug wine was popular back in the 60's when you could buy a gallon of
> Vin Rose for about $1.29. We used to pass the jug around right behind the
> inevitable 'smoke' in a circle of about ten people in Griffith park.
> I should probably still have a hangover, but damn, 1969 was fun.
> Wine, women, song, and all you could smoke.
> As long as you weren't in the service that had to be the best year ever.
> Bill Baka
I hated the 60's because of all the hippies hanging out everywhere I went. I
traveled the entire US back then and everywhere I went I ran into this human
scum. I hate each and everyone of them for being the slobs that they were.
But what caused this? It was the culmination of an affluence which was
shortly to be done away with forever. Within a very short time, the hippies
had to go to work to make ends meet. But for a brief moment in time, there
was a surplus in the society which made it possible for them to lead a
parasitic life.
I came away from the experience knowing that humans must never be given any
latitude. They must be made to work like the dogs that they are. It is only
few highly evolved types such as myself who are capable of leading a life of
leisure. It is not for the Bill Bakas of this world, They need to work by
the sweat of their brows or else they get into mischief.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 20:57:30
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ltWdi.146$K44.131@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
> [...]
>> That jug wine was popular back in the 60's when you could buy a gallon of
>> Vin Rose for about $1.29. We used to pass the jug around right behind the
>> inevitable 'smoke' in a circle of about ten people in Griffith park.
>> I should probably still have a hangover, but damn, 1969 was fun.
>> Wine, women, song, and all you could smoke.
>> As long as you weren't in the service that had to be the best year ever.
>> Bill Baka
>
> I hated the 60's because of all the hippies hanging out everywhere I went. I
> traveled the entire US back then and everywhere I went I ran into this human
> scum. I hate each and everyone of them for being the slobs that they were.
I got laid all the time back then and never met a girl I didn't like.
We thought you were idiots for going to play war when it wasn't even a
real war.
>
> But what caused this? It was the culmination of an affluence which was
> shortly to be done away with forever. Within a very short time, the hippies
> had to go to work to make ends meet. But for a brief moment in time, there
> was a surplus in the society which made it possible for them to lead a
> parasitic life.
I managed a Jack in the box, so I worked and met all kinds of people
when I chose to work the drive up window. I had one guy at closing time
who had the munchies so bad he traded me a large quantity of 'smoke' for
the fries I was going to toss anyway since it was closing time. I wasn't
a parasite but rather enjoyed the low pressure job, and of course all
them horny hippie girls. You missed out unless you are some kind of
queer who liked being on a ship with no women.
>
> I came away from the experience knowing that humans must never be given any
> latitude. They must be made to work like the dogs that they are. It is only
> few highly evolved types such as myself who are capable of leading a life of
> leisure. It is not for the Bill Bakas of this world, They need to work by
> the sweat of their brows or else they get into mischief.
You think waaaaay too highly of yourself, boy.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Sorrows due to the existence of Ed Dolan.
Bill Baka
>
>
>
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 16:41:07
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:_qXdi.154$K44.2@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:ltWdi.146$K44.131@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>> [...]
>>> That jug wine was popular back in the 60's when you could buy a gallon
>>> of Vin Rose for about $1.29. We used to pass the jug around right behind
>>> the inevitable 'smoke' in a circle of about ten people in Griffith park.
>>> I should probably still have a hangover, but damn, 1969 was fun.
>>> Wine, women, song, and all you could smoke.
>>> As long as you weren't in the service that had to be the best year ever.
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> I hated the 60's because of all the hippies hanging out everywhere I
>> went. I traveled the entire US back then and everywhere I went I ran into
>> this human scum. I hate each and everyone of them for being the slobs
>> that they were.
>
> I got laid all the time back then and never met a girl I didn't like.
> We thought you were idiots for going to play war when it wasn't even a
> real war.
That would be the Vietnam War of course?
Well, what is there to say about scum like you other than that you were and
are beneath contempt. But I knew your type in the Navy and they were always
without any exceptions whatsoever human scum. I never even wanted to be in
the same room with them they were so odious to me.
>> But what caused this? It was the culmination of an affluence which was
>> shortly to be done away with forever. Within a very short time, the
>> hippies had to go to work to make ends meet. But for a brief moment in
>> time, there was a surplus in the society which made it possible for them
>> to lead a parasitic life.
>
> I managed a Jack in the box, so I worked and met all kinds of people when
> I chose to work the drive up window. I had one guy at closing time who had
> the munchies so bad he traded me a large quantity of 'smoke' for the fries
> I was going to toss anyway since it was closing time. I wasn't a parasite
> but rather enjoyed the low pressure job, and of course all them horny
> hippie girls. You missed out unless you are some kind of queer who liked
> being on a ship with no women.
You and your type were always anathema to me. I considered you freaks and if
and when any of you met an early death I would think nothing but good
riddance to bad rubbish.
By the way, what is all this business about fucking women shit? Christ, I
wouldn't have touched any of those whores with a 20 foot pole.
>> I came away from the experience knowing that humans must never be given
>> any latitude. They must be made to work like the dogs that they are. It
>> is only few highly evolved types such as myself who are capable of
>> leading a life of leisure. It is not for the Bill Bakas of this world,
>> They need to work by the sweat of their brows or else they get into
>> mischief.
>
> You think waaaaay too highly of yourself, boy.
Nope, I am infinitely superior to you because I have some morality and you
don't. Life is not about pleasure, it is about morality. Hey, you either
have it or you don't.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 10:28:28
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1182251605.494282.99420@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 19, 5:59 am, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
>> E.D. is mostly cooped up in his hovel, drinking too much Livingston
>> Cellars Red Rose [1].
>>
>> [1] <http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Livingston%20Red%20Rose.html>.
>>
>> --
>
> YEOW! No wonder he's cranky! :-((
>
> (There's nothing quite like "jug wine" repackaged in cute 'lil 750ml
> bottles and given a quasi-pretentious description.)
Is 750 ml the same as 2 liters? I hate all these metric measurements. You
must buy your sprits by the gallon. Anything less than that is wasteful. For
Christ's sakes, if you are going to drink, then drink. Leave the sipping for
the ladies in the parlor.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 04:10:40
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 18, 11:48 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
> ...
> Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
> attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure that
> the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to speed
> on that at least if you want to talk about such things....
It was a Republican administration that was asleep at the wheel,
ignored numerous warning from both domestic and foreign intelligence
services and allowed 9/11/2001 to happen, did not respond (continuing
to read "My Pet Goat" is not a response) during the event, and has
failed to apprehend the perpetrators. They did and have done a "heck
of a job"!
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 19:39:26
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 18, 11:48 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>> ...
>> Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
>> attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure that
>> the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to speed
>> on that at least if you want to talk about such things....
Well, to answer an idiot, Dolan to be exact, just who the hell are we at
war with? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, unspecified terrorists, or the whole
damn world? The terrorists did accomplish one thing, with the shit for
brains in the oval office right now. He has turned this country into
cowards fearing a terrorist behind every umm.., bush, and has pretty
well not followed the Constitution, but we sure have camera watching
everybody now. Not to mention that he wanted cell phones that could be
turned on without ringing so the good old United States could listen in
on you anytime they wanted. Sure beats land line wire tapping. The GPS
can also be used to track your every move, along with all the credit
card purchases you make. I'm not paranoid, but the general public is
losing freedom bit by bit and day by day. That means the terrorists won,
no matter what, and we will probably bankrupt the country with this
'war' on terror. If the moron Bush was at all serious he would really
seal the border with Mexico since if so many Mexicans can cross then a
few terrorists can mix in with the crowd. They know this and I know
this, but it appears that you and Bush are both too stupid to get it.
Bill Baka
>
> It was a Republican administration that was asleep at the wheel,
> ignored numerous warning from both domestic and foreign intelligence
> services and allowed 9/11/2001 to happen, did not respond (continuing
> to read "My Pet Goat" is not a response) during the event, and has
> failed to apprehend the perpetrators. They did and have done a "heck
> of a job"!
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
> world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
> David Michael Green
>
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 15:02:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:OhWdi.145$K44.107@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 11:48 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
>>> attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure
>>> that
>>> the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to
>>> speed
>>> on that at least if you want to talk about such things....
>
> Well, to answer an idiot, Dolan to be exact, just who the hell are we at
> war with? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, unspecified terrorists, or the whole
> damn world?
We are at war with all the Islamic terrorists wherever they exist in this
world. Iran is next on our agenda.
The terrorists did accomplish one thing, with the shit for
> brains in the oval office right now. He has turned this country into
> cowards fearing a terrorist behind every umm.., bush, and has pretty well
> not followed the Constitution, but we sure have camera watching everybody
> now.
The Constitution is just a scrap of paper. No one with any brains pays any
attention to it.
Not to mention that he wanted cell phones that could be
> turned on without ringing so the good old United States could listen in on
> you anytime they wanted. Sure beats land line wire tapping. The GPS can
> also be used to track your every move, along with all the credit card
> purchases you make. I'm not paranoid, but the general public is losing
> freedom bit by bit and day by day.
The Constitution is just a scrap of paper. No one with any brains pays any
attention to it.
That means the terrorists won,
> no matter what, and we will probably bankrupt the country with this 'war'
> on terror. If the moron Bush was at all serious he would really seal the
> border with Mexico since if so many Mexicans can cross then a few
> terrorists can mix in with the crowd. They know this and I know this, but
> it appears that you and Bush are both too stupid to get it.
> Bill Baka
Bush is very bad on the border issue I must admit. I want him out of the
White House on this issue alone.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 20:42:32
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OhWdi.145$K44.107@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>> On Jun 18, 11:48 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
>>>> attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure
>>>> that
>>>> the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to
>>>> speed
>>>> on that at least if you want to talk about such things....
>> Well, to answer an idiot, Dolan to be exact, just who the hell are we at
>> war with? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, unspecified terrorists, or the whole
>> damn world?
>
> We are at war with all the Islamic terrorists wherever they exist in this
> world. Iran is next on our agenda.
Then we are going to be at war with half the world.
>
> The terrorists did accomplish one thing, with the shit for
>> brains in the oval office right now. He has turned this country into
>> cowards fearing a terrorist behind every umm.., bush, and has pretty well
>> not followed the Constitution, but we sure have camera watching everybody
>> now.
>
> The Constitution is just a scrap of paper. No one with any brains pays any
> attention to it.
That puts you and Bush in the no brains category, firmly.
>
> Not to mention that he wanted cell phones that could be
>> turned on without ringing so the good old United States could listen in on
>> you anytime they wanted. Sure beats land line wire tapping. The GPS can
>> also be used to track your every move, along with all the credit card
>> purchases you make. I'm not paranoid, but the general public is losing
>> freedom bit by bit and day by day.
>
> The Constitution is just a scrap of paper. No one with any brains pays any
> attention to it.
I repeat, you ARE an idiot.
>
> That means the terrorists won,
>> no matter what, and we will probably bankrupt the country with this 'war'
>> on terror. If the moron Bush was at all serious he would really seal the
>> border with Mexico since if so many Mexicans can cross then a few
>> terrorists can mix in with the crowd. They know this and I know this, but
>> it appears that you and Bush are both too stupid to get it.
>> Bill Baka
>
> Bush is very bad on the border issue I must admit. I want him out of the
> White House on this issue alone.
So ignoring the constitution makes him smart, but ignoring the obvious
border issue makes him a dumb ass? Admit it, he is a dumb ass. If there
were any really dedicated terrorists they would have been here in droves
along with the Mexicans by now. Since they haven't, maybe 9/11 was a one
shot thing and Bush screwing up the country was their real goal.
In that respect they have exceeded their expectations.
Bill Baka
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 16:00:31
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:YcXdi.153$K44.75@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:OhWdi.145$K44.107@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>>> On Jun 18, 11:48 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
>>>>> attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure
>>>>> that
>>>>> the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to
>>>>> speed
>>>>> on that at least if you want to talk about such things....
>>> Well, to answer an idiot, Dolan to be exact, just who the hell are we at
>>> war with? Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, unspecified terrorists, or the whole
>>> damn world?
>>
>> We are at war with all the Islamic terrorists wherever they exist in this
>> world. Iran is next on our agenda.
>
> Then we are going to be at war with half the world.
>>
>> The terrorists did accomplish one thing, with the shit for
>>> brains in the oval office right now. He has turned this country into
>>> cowards fearing a terrorist behind every umm.., bush, and has pretty
>>> well not followed the Constitution, but we sure have camera watching
>>> everybody now.
>>
>> The Constitution is just a scrap of paper. No one with any brains pays
>> any attention to it.
>
> That puts you and Bush in the no brains category, firmly.
>>
>> Not to mention that he wanted cell phones that could be
>>> turned on without ringing so the good old United States could listen in
>>> on you anytime they wanted. Sure beats land line wire tapping. The GPS
>>> can also be used to track your every move, along with all the credit
>>> card purchases you make. I'm not paranoid, but the general public is
>>> losing freedom bit by bit and day by day.
>>
>> The Constitution is just a scrap of paper. No one with any brains pays
>> any attention to it.
>
> I repeat, you ARE an idiot.
>>
>> That means the terrorists won,
>>> no matter what, and we will probably bankrupt the country with this
>>> 'war' on terror. If the moron Bush was at all serious he would really
>>> seal the border with Mexico since if so many Mexicans can cross then a
>>> few terrorists can mix in with the crowd. They know this and I know
>>> this, but it appears that you and Bush are both too stupid to get it.
>>> Bill Baka
>>
>> Bush is very bad on the border issue I must admit. I want him out of the
>> White House on this issue alone.
>
> So ignoring the constitution makes him smart, but ignoring the obvious
> border issue makes him a dumb ass? Admit it, he is a dumb ass. If there
> were any really dedicated terrorists they would have been here in droves
> along with the Mexicans by now. Since they haven't, maybe 9/11 was a one
> shot thing and Bush screwing up the country was their real goal.
> In that respect they have exceeded their expectations.
> Bill Baka
Jesus Christ almighty, how many times do I have to say it - fuck the g.d.
constitution! I have already told you that I only care about the nation, not
the g.d. constitution.
But Bush is very bad on the immigration issue overall. Apparently he wants
this country to have cheap labor above everything else. This is not good for
the average working American. What is even more puzzling to me is that
allowing all this immigration means the destruction of the Republican Party.
Apparently some Repubs want to commit suicide.
All it will take is one successful terrorist attack on this nation and poor
Bill Baka will look like the fool that he is.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 11:02:03
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182251440.633410.233710@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 11:48 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>> ...
>> Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
>> attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure that
>> the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to
>> speed
>> on that at least if you want to talk about such things....
>
> It was a Republican administration that was asleep at the wheel,
> ignored numerous warning from both domestic and foreign intelligence
> services and allowed 9/11/2001 to happen, did not respond (continuing
> to read "My Pet Goat" is not a response) during the event, and has
> failed to apprehend the perpetrators. They did and have done a "heck
> of a job"!
Sigh ... please review the antics of the Clinton administration. If he
hadn't been so busy getting blow jobs under his desk at the White House,
maybe this nation would have been better prepared to deal with the Muslim
terrorists. The fact is that everyone was asleep at the wheel, and no one
more so then Clinton.
Only the Great Ed Dolan was never asleep at the wheel. Hells Bells, I have
always wanted to kill Muslims ever since the Crusades. They have ruined the
Middle East, formerly a Christian stronghold prior to the Arab conquest.
Nay, I say boot them all out of the Middle East and confine them to the
deserts of Arabia, their one and only true home.
When Spain finally ejected the Moors from the Iberian peninsula, it was one
of the proudest moments for Western Civilization. But the Arabs have no more
right to North Africa (the land of the Berbers) than they did to Spain.
Arabs are like a pox on the face of the earth. That is because they are
savages and their despicable religion (Islam) only makes them more so than
they already naturally are.
We of the West need to declare war on all the Arabs and speed them to an
early grave. They are like the Indians of the Americas, deserving only of
extermination. Where the Hell is Hitler when he is so badly needed for a
final solution to the Arab problem.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 03:59:57
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On Jun 18, 9:39 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 8:14 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate posted from under his
> > bridge:
> >> ...
> >> Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born that
> >> way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch name,
> >> so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal human
> >> scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!...
>
> > I would have thought that "Jobst Brandt" was a German name, not Dutch.
>
> > Jobst does lean strongly to the left: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> > brandt/images/tiretest.jpg>. ;)
>
> Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
That is "jim beam's" full-time occupation.
> Even I won't do that, but I will question a few of his educated guesses.
> Jobst is usually pretty much on the mark, like with that wind vector
> analysis he did a while back. A side breeze will impede you in both
> directions and sometimes even a tailwind can be a hindrance due to lack
> of cooling from airflow.
Some of JB's educated guesses on pavements sound off the mark to
someone who designs pavements on a professional basis.
> If Ed Dolan is from the perpetual sorrows maybe it's because he is there?
E.D. is mostly cooped up in his hovel, drinking too much Livingston
Cellars Red Rose [1].
[1] <http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Livingston%20Red%20Rose.html >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 10:18:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182250797.579369.174900@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 9:39 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> > On Jun 18, 8:14 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate posted from under his
>> > bridge:
>> >> ...
>> >> Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born
>> >> that
>> >> way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch
>> >> name,
>> >> so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal
>> >> human
>> >> scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!...
>>
>> > I would have thought that "Jobst Brandt" was a German name, not Dutch.
>>
>> > Jobst does lean strongly to the left: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
>> > brandt/images/tiretest.jpg>. ;)
>>
>> Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
>
> That is "jim beam's" full-time occupation.
>
>> Even I won't do that, but I will question a few of his educated guesses.
>> Jobst is usually pretty much on the mark, like with that wind vector
>> analysis he did a while back. A side breeze will impede you in both
>> directions and sometimes even a tailwind can be a hindrance due to lack
>> of cooling from airflow.
>
> Some of JB's educated guesses on pavements sound off the mark to
> someone who designs pavements on a professional basis.
>
>> If Ed Dolan is from the perpetual sorrows maybe it's because he is there?
>
> E.D. is mostly cooped up in his hovel, drinking too much Livingston
> Cellars Red Rose [1].
>
> [1] <http://www.lovotti.com/brochures/Livingston%20Red%20Rose.html>.
It is the only wine in the world that does not give me a headache. It is
also the cheapest wine you can buy at the local municipal liquor store. I do
not understand how I could have got so lucky in my choice of spirits.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 18:39:40
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On Jun 18, 8:14 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate posted from under his
bridge:
> ...
> Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born that
> way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch name,
> so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal human
> scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!...
I would have thought that "Jobst Brandt" was a German name, not Dutch.
Jobst does lean strongly to the left: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
brandt/images/tiretest.jpg >. ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 02:39:26
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 18, 8:14 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate posted from under his
> bridge:
>> ...
>> Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born that
>> way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch name,
>> so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal human
>> scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!...
>
> I would have thought that "Jobst Brandt" was a German name, not Dutch.
>
> Jobst does lean strongly to the left: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
> brandt/images/tiretest.jpg>. ;)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
>
>
Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
Even I won't do that, but I will question a few of his educated guesses.
Jobst is usually pretty much on the mark, like with that wind vector
analysis he did a while back. A side breeze will impede you in both
directions and sometimes even a tailwind can be a hindrance due to lack
of cooling from airflow.
If Ed Dolan is from the perpetual sorrows maybe it's because he is there?
Bill Baka
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 13:35:04
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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and noooooooo interest in DIY tensiometers.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 18:45:06
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On Jun 20, 8:28 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:14:33 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > E.D. is at the age
> >where women significantly outnumber men.
>
> Are you sure? He writes like a teenager who has good grammar skills
> and not much other knowledge.
A quick web search indicates that Mr. Ed Dolan is 71 years old.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 12:40:26
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182390306.800519.104310@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 20, 8:28 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:14:33 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> > E.D. is at the age
>> >where women significantly outnumber men.
>>
>> Are you sure? He writes like a teenager who has good grammar skills
>> and not much other knowledge.
>
> A quick web search indicates that Mr. Ed Dolan is 71 years old.
And Mr. Dolan feels every god damn one of them too!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 03:10:36
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
Tom Sherman writes:
>>> E.D. is at the age where women significantly outnumber men.
>> Are you sure? He writes like a teenager who has good grammar
>> skills and not much other knowledge.
> A quick web search indicates that Ed Dolan is 71 years old.
That's no excuse. Besides, Alzheimer's has other recognizable tics
that he doesn't show.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 15:14:36
From: still me
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On 21 Jun 2007 03:10:36 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>> A quick web search indicates that Ed Dolan is 71 years old.
>
>That's no excuse. Besides, Alzheimer's has other recognizable tics
>that he doesn't show.
Besides, you'd be making the rash assumption his name is actually Ed
Dolan. He's assumed his moronic troll personality just for fun,
there's little reason to believe that he didn't make up everything
else too.
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 10:32:23
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On Jun 21, 8:01 pm, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jun 21, 10:14 am, "still me" who? wrote:
>
> > On 21 Jun 2007 03:10:36 GMT, Jobst Brandt wrote:
>
> > >> A quick web search indicates that Ed Dolan is 71 years old.
>
> > >That's no excuse. Besides, Alzheimer's has other recognizable tics
> > >that he doesn't show.
>
> > Besides, you'd be making the rash assumption his name is actually Ed
> > Dolan. He's assumed his moronic troll personality just for fun,
> > there's little reason to believe that he didn't make up everything
> > else too.
>
> The available public records indicate that this is the same Ed Dolan
> that graduated from Worthington High School in 1954. (Little Birdie
> did research and emailed me the results.)
"Little Birdie"? A hide-in-the-shadows, operate-behind-the-scenes
Little Birdie?How cowardly, how sleazey.
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 13:23:22
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1182533543.088406.233670@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 21, 8:01 pm, Johnny Sunset <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 21, 10:14 am, "still me" who? wrote:
>>
>> > On 21 Jun 2007 03:10:36 GMT, Jobst Brandt wrote:
>>
>> > >> A quick web search indicates that Ed Dolan is 71 years old.
>>
>> > >That's no excuse. Besides, Alzheimer's has other recognizable tics
>> > >that he doesn't show.
>>
>> > Besides, you'd be making the rash assumption his name is actually Ed
>> > Dolan. He's assumed his moronic troll personality just for fun,
>> > there's little reason to believe that he didn't make up everything
>> > else too.
>>
>> The available public records indicate that this is the same Ed Dolan
>> that graduated from Worthington High School in 1954. (Little Birdie
>> did research and emailed me the results.)
>
>
> "Little Birdie"? A hide-in-the-shadows, operate-behind-the-scenes
> Little Birdie?How cowardly, how sleazey.
Yes, Mr. Sherman knows how to be cowardly like all liberals.
However, let us take note here and now that you are far from being
aboveboard yourself. I do not consider Ozark Bicycle a name to bother with
at all. I will always accord much more respect to anyone who is using their
real name than I will to someone like you who hides behind a false name. Mr.
Sherman at least uses his real name.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 18:01:39
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On Jun 21, 10:14 am, "still me" who? wrote:
> On 21 Jun 2007 03:10:36 GMT, Jobst Brandt wrote:
>
> >> A quick web search indicates that Ed Dolan is 71 years old.
>
> >That's no excuse. Besides, Alzheimer's has other recognizable tics
> >that he doesn't show.
>
> Besides, you'd be making the rash assumption his name is actually Ed
> Dolan. He's assumed his moronic troll personality just for fun,
> there's little reason to believe that he didn't make up everything
> else too.
The available public records indicate that this is the same Ed Dolan
that graduated from Worthington High School in 1954. (Little Birdie
did research and emailed me the results.)
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 12:54:25
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182474099.894955.58670@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 21, 10:14 am, "still me" who? wrote:
>> On 21 Jun 2007 03:10:36 GMT, Jobst Brandt wrote:
>>
>> >> A quick web search indicates that Ed Dolan is 71 years old.
>>
>> >That's no excuse. Besides, Alzheimer's has other recognizable tics
>> >that he doesn't show.
>>
>> Besides, you'd be making the rash assumption his name is actually Ed
>> Dolan. He's assumed his moronic troll personality just for fun,
>> there's little reason to believe that he didn't make up everything
>> else too.
>
> The available public records indicate that this is the same Ed Dolan
> that graduated from Worthington High School in 1954. (Little Birdie
> did research and emailed me the results.)
It would never even occur to me to bother making up a false name or a false
anything else for the idiots of these cycling newsgroups. Nay, I treat all
of you with nothing but the contempt you so richly deserve.
As to what it true about me and what is not true about me, I leave that to
your sterile imaginations. What has always amused me about my relationships
is that I have never had any interest in others, and yet others seem to have
an interest in me. Well, it is all due to the force of my intellect no
doubt. Would that the rest of you would acquire some intellect yourselves.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 06:09:27
From: DI
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:ylHdi.41053$5j1.11089@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>>
> Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
> Bill Baka
Dolan can't hit a new low, he's already as low as he can get. One of the
most worthless POS that ever existed.
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 10:35:19
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message
news:HPOdi.5240$s57.402@newsfe07.phx...
>
> "Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ylHdi.41053$5j1.11089@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>
>>>
>>>
>> Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
>
>> Bill Baka
>
> Dolan can't hit a new low, he's already as low as he can get. One of the
> most worthless POS that ever existed.
Spoken like a true liberal scum bag.
I believe we should drop atom bombs on the heads of all liberals first and
foremost as they clearly constitute the gravest threat to the nation. Once
they are eliminated, we can make short work of the Iranian (Persian)
savages.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 14:31:43
From: DI
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:wMudnbGBAYhEaurbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>> Dolan can't hit a new low, he's already as low as he can get. One of
>> the most worthless POS that ever existed.
>
> Spoken like a true liberal scum bag.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
"Liberal"? That's the first time I've ever been called that and I've been
called just about everything. But you're talking to someone who thinks
Ronald Reagan was to Liberal, because of his Amnesty program. To me good
government is one that doesn't exist.
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 14:49:05
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message
news:AaWdi.694$uq2.620@newsfe06.phx...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:wMudnbGBAYhEaurbnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>>
>>> Dolan can't hit a new low, he's already as low as he can get. One of
>>> the most worthless POS that ever existed.
>>
>> Spoken like a true liberal scum bag.
>
> "Liberal"? That's the first time I've ever been called that and I've
> been called just about everything. But you're talking to someone who
> thinks Ronald Reagan was to Liberal, because of his Amnesty program. To
> me good government is one that doesn't exist.
Reagan was too old to be President. That is the problem with McCain too.
Once you get into your late 60's, you no longer know much about anything
current.
But hey, you insult me, I return the complement with pleasure. The fact is
that I almost always say something substantial in my messages even if you
have to look for it. I aim to stir things up here on these cycling
newsgroups unlike most everyone else.
The only sin in Usenet is to be boring.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 16:04:42
From: DI
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:xPOdna-_oZ-vruXbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> Reagan was too old to be President. That is the problem with McCain too.
> Once you get into your late 60's, you no longer know much about anything
> current.
>
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
I'm 67, I know a lot about current events, but I especially know what kind
of fool you are, you just sit behind your keyboard and try to agitate
people. You are a worthless, ignorant, POS, try to get a life.
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 16:48:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote in message
news:KxXdi.468082$115.19261@newsfe10.phx...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:xPOdna-_oZ-vruXbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> Reagan was too old to be President. That is the problem with McCain too.
>> Once you get into your late 60's, you no longer know much about anything
>> current.
>
> I'm 67, I know a lot about current events, but I especially know what kind
> of fool you are, you just sit behind your keyboard and try to agitate
> people. You are a worthless, ignorant, POS, try to get a life.
Nope, you are over the hill too. Knowing current events and knowing what to
do about them are two different things entirely. I suggest that you
reconcile yourself to the fact that you are now old and you do not have too
many years left to live. The Grim Reaper is right around the corner - if you
would care to look!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. What is a POS?
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 21:36:17
From: still me
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:04:42 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net > wrote:
>I'm 67, I know a lot about current events, but I especially know what kind
>of fool you are, you just sit behind your keyboard and try to agitate
>people. You are a worthless, ignorant, POS, try to get a life.
You've hit the nail on the head, DI, in spite of your advancing age!
Saint Ed is just someone humoring himself with his trolling. He
believes none of what he posts, he just gets good laughs out of it.
Unfortuately, some people here think it makes sense to argue with him.
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 16:58:52
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"still me" <wheeledBob@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:9tig73hit3vnjo28eoo7aq3oqjqjnredvh@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:04:42 -0500, "DI" <di9999@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>I'm 67, I know a lot about current events, but I especially know what kind
>>of fool you are, you just sit behind your keyboard and try to agitate
>>people. You are a worthless, ignorant, POS, try to get a life.
>
>
> You've hit the nail on the head, DI, in spite of your advancing age!
>
> Saint Ed is just someone humoring himself with his trolling. He
> believes none of what he posts, he just gets good laughs out of it.
>
> Unfortuately, some people here think it makes sense to argue with him.
Argumentation is the essence of life. I think I would die if I did not have
someone to argue with. Thank God for Mr. Sherman of ARBR who is always ready
to take me on.
I must admit I do enjoy playing the Devil's advocate - anything to stir up
these slumbering cycling newsgroups.,
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 11:57:03
From: still me
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:58:52 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>
>I must admit I do enjoy playing the Devil's advocate - anything to stir up
>these slumbering cycling newsgroups.,
I don't think it's Devil's advocate you play at. I hope your childish
posts amuse you.
I'd suggest that going out and dating women would be more exciting and
might install some sense of reality in your life. Of course, that
would be assuming that you can participate in real life as opposed to
posting anonymously behind this fantasy persona you invented.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 08:49:49
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:57:03 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:58:52 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I must admit I do enjoy playing the Devil's advocate - anything to stir up
>>these slumbering cycling newsgroups.,
>
>I don't think it's Devil's advocate you play at. I hope your childish
>posts amuse you.
Yeah, Devil's advocate still has to proceed from facts and try to come
up with alternative ideas, not just make stuff up.
--
JT
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 16:25:41
From: still me
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:49:49 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>
>Yeah, Devil's advocate still has to proceed from facts and try to come
>up with alternative ideas, not just make stuff up.
>--
>JT
Saint ED is only concerned with how outrageous a post he can make in
hopes of trolling some more. He's not posting his beliefs or facts,
just nonsense trolling intended to grow the discussion so he can do
some more lame trolling.
The only thing worse than a troll is a lame, transparent troll.
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 12:21:44
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"still me" <wheeledBob@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:e3li739on4umju3kuv85mdnhfbnc7hlvtn@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:49:49 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Yeah, Devil's advocate still has to proceed from facts and try to come
>>up with alternative ideas, not just make stuff up.
>>--
>>JT
>
> Saint ED is only concerned with how outrageous a post he can make in
> hopes of trolling some more. He's not posting his beliefs or facts,
> just nonsense trolling intended to grow the discussion so he can do
> some more lame trolling.
>
> The only thing worse than a troll is a lame, transparent troll.
Discussing trivial facts is not for One so Great as Myself. I am here for
big thoughts only. I leave the trivia and the esoterica to small minds such
as yours and Mr. Sherman's. If and when you ever outgrow your fascination
with facts, then I shall be here for you. All that counts with me are
opinions. Either get some or get lost!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 23:21:50
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:ylHdi.41053$5j1.11089@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 8:14 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan the Grate posted from under his
>> bridge:
>>> ...
>>> Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born
>>> that
>>> way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch
>>> name,
>>> so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal human
>>> scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!...
>>
>> I would have thought that "Jobst Brandt" was a German name, not Dutch.
>>
>> Jobst does lean strongly to the left: <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
>> brandt/images/tiretest.jpg>. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>
>>
>>
> Dolan has hit a new low. Insulting Jobst now?
> Even I won't do that, but I will question a few of his educated guesses.
> Jobst is usually pretty much on the mark, like with that wind vector
> analysis he did a while back. A side breeze will impede you in both
> directions and sometimes even a tailwind can be a hindrance due to lack of
> cooling from airflow.
> If Ed Dolan is from the perpetual sorrows maybe it's because he is there?
> Bill Baka
Here is what Jobst wrote:
Speak for yourself. You seem to be swimming against a mighty current,
relying on flag waving believers in classic USA hubris. Look at the
big picture: How many lies got us into war with Iraq, the reasons
morphed as each of the reasons turned out to be without basis and
false. Nation building has also faded into the brave new world. We
are repeatedly told that, in effect, "there is light at the end of the
tunnel", but these words are not used to fool those who don't see the
folly of the US path.
I take it you don't give a damn what the rest of the world, especially
our allies and trading partners, think of our war, and the illegal
means that were used to move it through our legislature.
Jobst Brandt
All of the above is liberal rot and that is how I treated it. I did not see
anything that was on the mark there. I wonder what causes some to make such
treacherous remarks. I think it must be because they hate this country and
all it stands for. Well, if they hate this country, then I think it is OK
for me to hate them back.
Note how Jobst is quick to charge others with lying when everyone in the
world believed otherwise at the time. It was the g.d. liberals who
emasculated our intelligence agencies. But it is always the liberals who are
responsible for all our foreign catastrophes. It is because they are weak on
defense and national security (the first order of government) and not to be
trusted. It is why Repubs will once again win the White House in 2008.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 00:16:02
From: Ghost from the Past
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Ed Dolan you are a horrid human being. Just look at this horribly stupid
thread you foisted off on the bicycling
newsgroups. I even see Tom Sherman is a willing participant. At least you
had the good sense to take a powder after tossing out the bait.
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 12:04:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Ghost from the Past" <ghost@nervermore.com > wrote in message
news:B7WdnSkbFpf_XunbnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS, NOR DOES HE EVEN INCLUDE ANY OF THE POST TO
WHICH HE IS RESPONDING.
> Ed Dolan you are a horrid human being. Just look at this horribly stupid
> thread you foisted off on the bicycling
> newsgroups. I even see Tom Sherman is a willing participant. At least
> you had the good sense to take a powder after tossing out the bait.
When posting a message to Usenet it is very difficult to know where it is
going to end up. Everyone puts in their 2-cents worth and before you know it
you are far from the original subject. I do not mind this since all
newsgroups are fatally flawed for lack of a moderator.
Tom Sherman and I have been feuding for years. He is a liberal scofflaw and
I am sane and reasonable. Never the twain shall meet.
I like to post messages which will get the old adrenal glands flowing. The
one and only thing that I fear on Usenet is boredom. I refuse to ever be
bored. How about you?
By the way, any thread I am responsible for I will see through to the bitter
end. I consider that to be the minimum responsibility that one assumes when
you post an original message. I NEVER abandon a thread of mine.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 22:11:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Ghost from the Past" <ghost@nervermore.com > wrote in message
news:B7WdnSkbFpf_XunbnZ2dnUVZ_gmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Ed Dolan you are a horrid human being. Just look at this horribly stupid
> thread you foisted off on the bicycling
> newsgroups. I even see Tom Sherman is a willing participant. At least
> you had the good sense to take a powder after tossing out the bait.
Mr. Sherman is an idiot. What more needs to be said?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 22:33:29
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 14, 11:28 pm, Bill <b...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> > John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>
> >>> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the
> >>> Taliban. I thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says.
>
> >> Sorni, are you suggesting that because Iran is strongly alleged to
> >> be violating international law they should be bombed? If so, think
> >> about it a little more carefully. That's like looking at some
> >> bad-looking dude who you think did serious crimes in your town and
> >> deciding to kill or torture him and then lock him up indefinitely
> >> w/o any sort of trial. Oh wait, that's the sort of thing you believe
> >> in...
>
> >> OK, think about this -- are you saying that any country that
> >> violates international law should be bombed? What about a country
> >> that, say, has it's agents kidnap people around the world and send
> >> them to a third country to be tortured? What about that?
>
> > Hey! We were raised on "John Wayne justice" in years of westerns
> > where that was the way it was proper. No wonder some viewers of these
> > fables believe in the method. We are a nation that glorifies
> > criminals and ruffians. Just look at the names of many of the
> > professional sports teams that are a religion to many of the best flag
> > wavers (Outlaws, Pirates, Renegades...). The World Series!
>
> > Jobst Brandt
>
> Shit, man.
> We aren't the only country breaking the Geneva conference laws.
> However, any religious group that films themselves hacking off a live
> guys head and displaying it on his corpse is a good candidate for us and
> Russia to lob over some 50 Megaton 'eradicators' just for weapons
> testing purposes, right?
Would the medieval "Christians" have filmed burnings at the stake of
"heretics" if the technology had been available?
> This war is not going away unless we make all the Muslim/Islamics go
> away, and a few big booms from air burst H-bombs will make little
> radiation, but lots of glass we can make things from.
> Suicide that, fanatical Islamics.
> Bill Baka
This post is more stupid than claiming to have gone 50 mph on a
children's tricycle.
With a display of ignorance of the beliefs and actions of the vast
majority of Muslim's that Baka displays here, it is no wonder they
hate us.
If the US were to be so foolish as to use nuclear weapons against Iran
in an aggressive strike, the world will not forgive and forget. When
the inevitable retaliation of a nuclear bomb being exploded in New
York or Los Angeles occurs, the rest of the world will say, "what goes
around comes around".
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"The real danger is whenever we start talking with our enemies, we may
discover potential areas of compromise or even agreement." - Joe
Conason
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 19:50:16
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1181885609.482939.299110@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 14, 11:28 pm, Bill <b...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>> > John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>>
>> >>> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the
>> >>> Taliban. I thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says.
>>
>> >> Sorni, are you suggesting that because Iran is strongly alleged to
>> >> be violating international law they should be bombed? If so, think
>> >> about it a little more carefully. That's like looking at some
>> >> bad-looking dude who you think did serious crimes in your town and
>> >> deciding to kill or torture him and then lock him up indefinitely
>> >> w/o any sort of trial. Oh wait, that's the sort of thing you believe
>> >> in...
>>
>> >> OK, think about this -- are you saying that any country that
>> >> violates international law should be bombed? What about a country
>> >> that, say, has it's agents kidnap people around the world and send
>> >> them to a third country to be tortured? What about that?
>>
>> > Hey! We were raised on "John Wayne justice" in years of westerns
>> > where that was the way it was proper. No wonder some viewers of these
>> > fables believe in the method. We are a nation that glorifies
>> > criminals and ruffians. Just look at the names of many of the
>> > professional sports teams that are a religion to many of the best flag
>> > wavers (Outlaws, Pirates, Renegades...). The World Series!
>>
>> > Jobst Brandt
>>
>> Shit, man.
>> We aren't the only country breaking the Geneva conference laws.
>> However, any religious group that films themselves hacking off a live
>> guys head and displaying it on his corpse is a good candidate for us and
>> Russia to lob over some 50 Megaton 'eradicators' just for weapons
>> testing purposes, right?
>
> Would the medieval "Christians" have filmed burnings at the stake of
> "heretics" if the technology had been available?
>
>> This war is not going away unless we make all the Muslim/Islamics go
>> away, and a few big booms from air burst H-bombs will make little
>> radiation, but lots of glass we can make things from.
>> Suicide that, fanatical Islamics.
>> Bill Baka
>
> This post is more stupid than claiming to have gone 50 mph on a
> children's tricycle.
>
> With a display of ignorance of the beliefs and actions of the vast
> majority of Muslim's that Baka displays here, it is no wonder they
> hate us.
>
> If the US were to be so foolish as to use nuclear weapons against Iran
> in an aggressive strike, the world will not forgive and forget. When
> the inevitable retaliation of a nuclear bomb being exploded in New
> York or Los Angeles occurs, the rest of the world will say, "what goes
> around comes around".
Poor Mr. Sherman is one of the stupidest assholes to ever exist on this
earth. He does not have a clue about how to handle criminals, which is what
the Muslim fanatics are. They badly need to be killed and it does not matter
how. All that matters is that they be eliminated from the face of the earth.
Bill Baka is a genius compared to Mr. Sherman. But the ultimate repository
of wisdom on these matters is Ed Dolan the Great. I say kill the brutes -
kill them all!
The US used nuclear bombs on Japan and the whole world rejoiced. Why?
Because it was a clear cut case of good versus evil. But liberals like Mr.
Sherman do not know good from evil. That is why liberals are not capable of
ruling anything, not even themselves. I despise them for their willful
ignorance of human nature. After we kill the Muslim fanatics we should think
about killing all the liberals among us.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 20:57:29
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 14, 11:28 pm, Bill <b...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Shit, man.
>> We aren't the only country breaking the Geneva conference laws.
>> However, any religious group that films themselves hacking off a live
>> guys head and displaying it on his corpse is a good candidate for us and
>> Russia to lob over some 50 Megaton 'eradicators' just for weapons
>> testing purposes, right?
>
> Would the medieval "Christians" have filmed burnings at the stake of
> "heretics" if the technology had been available?
Absolutely. Then they would have made posters and put them on all the
corners. They used to burn people at the stake for simple heresy, or
disagreeing with the church in any trivial way. Remember, the Earth was
the center of the entire Universe and the church decreed that was the
truth according to God. Yeah, right.
>
>> This war is not going away unless we make all the Muslim/Islamics go
>> away, and a few big booms from air burst H-bombs will make little
>> radiation, but lots of glass we can make things from.
>> Suicide that, fanatical Islamics.
>> Bill Baka
>
> This post is more stupid than claiming to have gone 50 mph on a
> children's tricycle.
I will probably hear about that troll bait until I give up on posting here.
>
> With a display of ignorance of the beliefs and actions of the vast
> majority of Muslim's that Baka displays here, it is no wonder they
> hate us.
I would just as soon nuke all hard core Christians too. We would have
colonies on Mars by now if the Vatican/pope/whoever ran the church,
hadn't stifled invention for over a 1,000 years.
>
> If the US were to be so foolish as to use nuclear weapons against Iran
> in an aggressive strike, the world will not forgive and forget. When
> the inevitable retaliation of a nuclear bomb being exploded in New
> York or Los Angeles occurs, the rest of the world will say, "what goes
> around comes around".
To be sort of on topic here, where did Iran get all those nice shiny new
Russian weapons to give to the terrorists? Ever since they influenced an
election by getting Carter tossed by the 'hostage crisis' they have been
getting bolder. Do you think we would be in Darfur if they had any oil?
Damn fast, I bet.
Bill Baka
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> "The real danger is whenever we start talking with our enemies, we may
> discover potential areas of compromise or even agreement." - Joe
> Conason
>
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 12:16:11
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:57:29 GMT, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
>Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 11:28 pm, Bill <b...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> This post is more stupid than claiming to have gone 50 mph on a
>> children's tricycle.
>
>I will probably hear about that troll bait until I give up on posting here.
It wasn't troll bait, it was one of Baka's many braggart posts. Only
after weeks of the disbelievers calling him on it did he then reduce
it (in his mind only) from a total untruth and fabrication to a "troll
bait."
Baka is like the dickhead in the neighborhood poker game who's always
light in the pot or out and out pilfering a chip here and there. When
he's caught, he was "only joking." The times when he's not caught,
he's a thief.
>> With a display of ignorance of the beliefs and actions of the vast
>> majority of Muslim's that Baka displays here, it is no wonder they
>> hate us.
>I would just as soon nuke all hard core Christians too. We would have
>colonies on Mars by now if the Vatican/pope/whoever ran the church,
>hadn't stifled invention for over a 1,000 years.
What a deranged sicko: Baka advocates nuking all Middle East Muslims
as well as annihilating Christians in his own country and, apparently,
Vatican City.
It is truly amazing that anyone gives credence to Baka by conversing
in a normal fashion with this lunatic.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 10:23:08
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:33:29 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jun 14, 11:28 pm, Bill <b...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>> > John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>>
>> >>> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the
>> >>> Taliban. I thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says.
>>
>> >> Sorni, are you suggesting that because Iran is strongly alleged to
>> >> be violating international law they should be bombed? If so, think
>> >> about it a little more carefully. That's like looking at some
>> >> bad-looking dude who you think did serious crimes in your town and
>> >> deciding to kill or torture him and then lock him up indefinitely
>> >> w/o any sort of trial. Oh wait, that's the sort of thing you believe
>> >> in...
>>
>> >> OK, think about this -- are you saying that any country that
>> >> violates international law should be bombed? What about a country
>> >> that, say, has it's agents kidnap people around the world and send
>> >> them to a third country to be tortured? What about that?
>>
>> > Hey! We were raised on "John Wayne justice" in years of westerns
>> > where that was the way it was proper. No wonder some viewers of these
>> > fables believe in the method. We are a nation that glorifies
>> > criminals and ruffians. Just look at the names of many of the
>> > professional sports teams that are a religion to many of the best flag
>> > wavers (Outlaws, Pirates, Renegades...). The World Series!
>>
>> > Jobst Brandt
>>
>> Shit, man.
>> We aren't the only country breaking the Geneva conference laws.
>> However, any religious group that films themselves hacking off a live
>> guys head and displaying it on his corpse is a good candidate for us and
>> Russia to lob over some 50 Megaton 'eradicators' just for weapons
>> testing purposes, right?
>
>Would the medieval "Christians" have filmed burnings at the stake of
>"heretics" if the technology had been available?
>
>> This war is not going away unless we make all the Muslim/Islamics go
>> away, and a few big booms from air burst H-bombs will make little
>> radiation, but lots of glass we can make things from.
>> Suicide that, fanatical Islamics.
>> Bill Baka
>
>This post is more stupid than claiming to have gone 50 mph on a
>children's tricycle.
>
>With a display of ignorance of the beliefs and actions of the vast
>majority of Muslim's that Baka displays here, it is no wonder they
>hate us.
>
>If the US were to be so foolish as to use nuclear weapons against Iran
>in an aggressive strike, the world will not forgive and forget. When
>the inevitable retaliation of a nuclear bomb being exploded in New
>York or Los Angeles occurs, the rest of the world will say, "what goes
>around comes around".
Goes to Baka's frame of mind: A. Delusional; B. Lives in a fantasy
world; C. Pathological liar.
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 20:39:02
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 14, 10:25 pm, datakoll wrote:
> On Jun 14, 11:16 pm, datakoll wrote:
>
> > ( ) ( )
>
> that's arabic on jigs.
>
> let's see if I unnerstan this BS
>
> cyclists are divided on Iran the bully of the ME
> one side believes Iran should have nuclear weapons
> and one side believes Iran should not have nuclear weapons?
> for example, Jobst Brandt, whose native country, and of Brandt's own
> skills, is a primary force in destroying the planet, believes Iran
> should have nuclear weapons to bully the ME.
Brandt's own skills??? We will never stop the Iranians from victory,
since they have wheels with Mavic MA-2 rims and 36 double butted,
stress relieved spokes tensioned as high as the rim will bear!!!
The Iranians have also learned to lean from Brandt: <http://
www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/images/tiretest.jpg >!!!
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 03:25:53
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 14, 11:16 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> ( ) ( )
that's arabic on jigs.
let's see if I unnerstan this BS
cyclists are divided on Iran the bully of the ME
one side believes Iran should have nuclear weapons
and one side believes Iran should not have nuclear weapons?
for example, Jobst Brandt, whose native country, and of Brandt's own
skills, is a primary force in destroying the planet, believes Iran
should have nuclear weapons to bully the ME.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 03:16:22
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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( ) ( )
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 20:01:51
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 14, 10:01 am, Andres Muro wrote:
> On Jun 14, 8:23 am, Carl Riehm wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
> > > dgk wrote:
>
> > >> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
> > >> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
> > >> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>
> > > None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead are
> > > going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog blather...
>
> > > (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border, that's
> > > been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND the
> > > Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>
> > It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like Bill
> > Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran supplying
> > arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the USA has invaded
> > that country, thousands of miles away, for no good reason, causing
> > hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to come when they pull out.
>
> What is sad about the whole thing is that the government makes
> decisions without consulting people with expertise about culture,
> history, past, etc. Then they act surprise when there is anti-american
> sentiment. Also, they declare things that if you know anything about
> the culture you know that it is a lie. But, if you are gullible, you
> buy into it. For example, a senior official declared that there is
> evidence that Iran is supplying guns to the Taliban. this is
> borderline absurd. Of course, the senior official is not educated
> enough, nor he cares to understand the differences between Iran and
> the Taliban.
Hey, it is just like the Catholic and Protestants in Northern Ireland.
Since they are both Christian sects, they must be allies; right?
Do we forget that Iran almost went to war against the Taliban, and
even aided the US in (temporarily?) driving the Taliban from power?
> They just make a statement and hope the americans who
> love Budwiser would beleive it and that is it. To most Americans,
> Iran, Iraq, the Taliban and afganistan are the same thing. they don't
> give a hoot as to the differences. As long as we can keep drinking bud
> light, who cares what the white house tells us. All we worry about is
> when the government says that we need to bomb Iran, or they'll take
> our miller away.
Most USians do not realize than the Iranians are not Arabs, and the
people who wear Turbans are Sikhs, not Arabs, rendering the ethnic
insult "towel head" as ignorant as those who use it.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 20:00:11
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 19, 12:02 pm, Bill Sornson aka Sorni wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 10:58 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> Johnny Sunset wrote in message
>
> >>news:1182213734.814054.33140@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed
> >>>> Dolan] get out of
> >>>> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions, maybe
> >>>> you will understand that.
>
> >>> Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
>
> >> Tom Sherman works like the dog that he is. But he is not happy so
> >> doing. I am happy with my life just the way it is. So who is the
> >> wiser?
>
> >> Mr. Sherman should have had more providential parents if he had
> >> wanted to live a fat and sassy life like I do.
>
> >> What I find remarkable is that Tom Sherman not only works like a
> >> dog, but he is not saddled with a wife and children and yet he seems
> >> to be permanently behind the proverbial 8-ball. He must not know how
> >> to manage anything since he is a civil engineer and gets a very good
> >> salary for his menial labors....
>
> > I am too smart to want to have a wife and children aka ball and chain.
>
> > Good engineering salaries stopped being paid 20+ years ago, unless one
> > is in an overpaid position obtained by nepotism.
>
> OMG, you sound /exactly/ like Bill Baka! LOL No wonder you're single ;-)
> (I am too ATM, but it's because no one meets my too-lofty standards...of
> course.)
Bill Baka is (reportedly) married.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 22:59:13
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 19, 12:02 pm, Bill Sornson aka Sorni wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>> On Jun 18, 10:58 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> Johnny Sunset wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:1182213734.814054.33140@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed
>>>>>> Dolan] get out of
>>>>>> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions,
>>>>>> maybe you will understand that.
>>
>>>>> Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
>>
>>>> Tom Sherman works like the dog that he is. But he is not happy so
>>>> doing. I am happy with my life just the way it is. So who is the
>>>> wiser?
>>
>>>> Mr. Sherman should have had more providential parents if he had
>>>> wanted to live a fat and sassy life like I do.
>>
>>>> What I find remarkable is that Tom Sherman not only works like a
>>>> dog, but he is not saddled with a wife and children and yet he
>>>> seems to be permanently behind the proverbial 8-ball. He must not
>>>> know how to manage anything since he is a civil engineer and gets
>>>> a very good salary for his menial labors....
>>
>>> I am too smart to want to have a wife and children aka ball and
>>> chain.
>>
>>> Good engineering salaries stopped being paid 20+ years ago, unless
>>> one is in an overpaid position obtained by nepotism.
>>
>> OMG, you sound /exactly/ like Bill Baka! LOL No wonder you're
>> single ;-) (I am too ATM, but it's because no one meets my too-lofty
>> standards...of course.)
>
> Bill Baka is (reportedly) married.
I meant your work lament. (Just tacked on the single part since you'd
mentioned it.)
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 04:04:49
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 18, 10:58 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote in message
>
> news:1182213734.814054.33140@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed Dolan] get
> >> out of
> >> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions, maybe you
> >> will understand that.
>
> > Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
>
> Tom Sherman works like the dog that he is. But he is not happy so doing. I
> am happy with my life just the way it is. So who is the wiser?
>
> Mr. Sherman should have had more providential parents if he had wanted to
> live a fat and sassy life like I do.
>
> What I find remarkable is that Tom Sherman not only works like a dog, but he
> is not saddled with a wife and children and yet he seems to be permanently
> behind the proverbial 8-ball. He must not know how to manage anything since
> he is a civil engineer and gets a very good salary for his menial labors....
I am too smart to want to have a wife and children aka ball and chain.
Good engineering salaries stopped being paid 20+ years ago, unless one
is in an overpaid position obtained by nepotism.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 10:02:27
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 18, 10:58 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote in message
>>
>> news:1182213734.814054.33140@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed
>>>> Dolan] get out of
>>>> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions, maybe
>>>> you will understand that.
>>
>>> Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
>>
>> Tom Sherman works like the dog that he is. But he is not happy so
>> doing. I am happy with my life just the way it is. So who is the
>> wiser?
>>
>> Mr. Sherman should have had more providential parents if he had
>> wanted to live a fat and sassy life like I do.
>>
>> What I find remarkable is that Tom Sherman not only works like a
>> dog, but he is not saddled with a wife and children and yet he seems
>> to be permanently behind the proverbial 8-ball. He must not know how
>> to manage anything since he is a civil engineer and gets a very good
>> salary for his menial labors....
>
> I am too smart to want to have a wife and children aka ball and chain.
>
> Good engineering salaries stopped being paid 20+ years ago, unless one
> is in an overpaid position obtained by nepotism.
OMG, you sound /exactly/ like Bill Baka! LOL No wonder you're single ;-)
(I am too ATM, but it's because no one meets my too-lofty standards...of
course.)
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 12:46:11
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 10:58 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> Johnny Sunset wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1182213734.814054.33140@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed
>>>>> Dolan] get out of
>>>>> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions, maybe
>>>>> you will understand that.
>>>> Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
>>> Tom Sherman works like the dog that he is. But he is not happy so
>>> doing. I am happy with my life just the way it is. So who is the
>>> wiser?
>>>
>>> Mr. Sherman should have had more providential parents if he had
>>> wanted to live a fat and sassy life like I do.
>>>
>>> What I find remarkable is that Tom Sherman not only works like a
>>> dog, but he is not saddled with a wife and children and yet he seems
>>> to be permanently behind the proverbial 8-ball. He must not know how
>>> to manage anything since he is a civil engineer and gets a very good
>>> salary for his menial labors....
>> I am too smart to want to have a wife and children aka ball and chain.
>>
>> Good engineering salaries stopped being paid 20+ years ago, unless one
>> is in an overpaid position obtained by nepotism.
>
> OMG, you sound /exactly/ like Bill Baka! LOL No wonder you're single ;-)
> (I am too ATM, but it's because no one meets my too-lofty standards...of
> course.)
>
>
Sorry to let you down but I can still make 100 grand a year if I want to
put up with being a minority at work in Silicon Valley.
All those H1-B visas have flooded the place with Chinese and Indian
workers and since most of them stay here us white boys are a minority
down there.
I also had exactly one daughter who is off to be a school teacher.
Electronics, as well as everything else took a nose dive right after
9/11 but it's popping back now, mostly making surveillance stuff for the
government, and useful stuff for the medical industry.
My grandkids come by way of a stepdaughter I inherited when I got
married at the old age of 30.
Bill Baka
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 16:36:39
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Bill wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>> On Jun 18, 10:58 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> Johnny Sunset wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:1182213734.814054.33140@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed
>>>>>> Dolan] get out of
>>>>>> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions,
>>>>>> maybe you will understand that.
>>>>> Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
>>>> Tom Sherman works like the dog that he is. But he is not happy so
>>>> doing. I am happy with my life just the way it is. So who is the
>>>> wiser?
>>>>
>>>> Mr. Sherman should have had more providential parents if he had
>>>> wanted to live a fat and sassy life like I do.
>>>>
>>>> What I find remarkable is that Tom Sherman not only works like a
>>>> dog, but he is not saddled with a wife and children and yet he
>>>> seems to be permanently behind the proverbial 8-ball. He must not
>>>> know how to manage anything since he is a civil engineer and gets
>>>> a very good salary for his menial labors....
>>> I am too smart to want to have a wife and children aka ball and
>>> chain. Good engineering salaries stopped being paid 20+ years ago,
>>> unless
>>> one is in an overpaid position obtained by nepotism.
>>
>> OMG, you sound /exactly/ like Bill Baka! LOL No wonder you're
>> single ;-) (I am too ATM, but it's because no one meets my too-lofty
>> standards...of course.)
>>
>>
> Sorry to let you down but I can still make 100 grand a year if I want
> to put up with being a minority at work in Silicon Valley.
Meanwhile, go scavenge for used up computer peripherals on the side of the
road, MENSA. LOL
> All those H1-B visas have flooded the place with Chinese and Indian
> workers and since most of them stay here us white boys are a minority
> down there.
> I also had exactly one daughter who is off to be a school teacher.
> Electronics, as well as everything else took a nose dive right after
> 9/11 but it's popping back now, mostly making surveillance stuff for
> the government, and useful stuff for the medical industry.
> My grandkids come by way of a stepdaughter I inherited when I got
> married at the old age of 30.
So your plonking me lasted all of...what, 20 hours?
Bill, you're just too much... ROTFL
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 10:11:43
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182251089.610782.173960@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 10:58 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote in message
>>
>> news:1182213734.814054.33140@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> >> ...
>> >> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed Dolan]
>> >> get
>> >> out of
>> >> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions, maybe you
>> >> will understand that.
>>
>> > Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
>>
>> Tom Sherman works like the dog that he is. But he is not happy so doing.
>> I
>> am happy with my life just the way it is. So who is the wiser?
>>
>> Mr. Sherman should have had more providential parents if he had wanted to
>> live a fat and sassy life like I do.
>>
>> What I find remarkable is that Tom Sherman not only works like a dog, but
>> he
>> is not saddled with a wife and children and yet he seems to be
>> permanently
>> behind the proverbial 8-ball. He must not know how to manage anything
>> since
>> he is a civil engineer and gets a very good salary for his menial
>> labors....
>
> I am too smart to want to have a wife and children aka ball and chain.
You and I are on the same page here. The only reason for wanting a wife is
if you want children. I am convinced that most men do not really want
children and they therefore marry for all the wrong reasons.
> Good engineering salaries stopped being paid 20+ years ago, unless one
> is in an overpaid position obtained by nepotism.
Well, I assume you are not working for nothing. However, you are most likely
living in a very expensive area of the country. The trick would be for you
to keep your good job but to do it in another area of the country that was
not so expensive. Housing costs are what really kill most folks.
I live in a barn of a house. The city assessor says it is not worth anything
but that I should pay some taxes on it anyway. Well, that is small town
America for you in the Heart of the Midwest! The kids in town think my house
is haunted. It may very well be since I am starting to feel like a ghost
from another century myself.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 18:59:38
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On Jun 18, 8:43 pm, "Bill Sornson wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed Dolan]
> >> get out of middle school and have to get a job and make real
> >> decisions, maybe you
> >> will understand that.
> > Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
>
> Nice work if you can get it! (Beats drawing Gubmit Money.)
The real government money (in the US) is in the no-bid and cost plus
fee contracts going to the politically well connected corporations.
Nothing like taxing the middle class to help the rich get richer.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Socialism for corporations and "free enterprise" for the rest of
Americans!
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 17:42:14
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> ...
> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed Dolan] get out of
> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions, maybe you
> will understand that.
Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 22:58:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182213734.814054.33140@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> ...
>> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed Dolan] get
>> out of
>> middle school and have to get a job and make real decisions, maybe you
>> will understand that.
>
> Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
Tom Sherman works like the dog that he is. But he is not happy so doing. I
am happy with my life just the way it is. So who is the wiser?
Mr. Sherman should have had more providential parents if he had wanted to
live a fat and sassy life like I do.
What I find remarkable is that Tom Sherman not only works like a dog, but he
is not saddled with a wife and children and yet he seems to be permanently
behind the proverbial 8-ball. He must not know how to manage anything since
he is a civil engineer and gets a very good salary for his menial labors.
The bottom line is that not everyone can be Great like ME. Nay, it is given
to some to be a worker bee like Tom Sherman and it is given to others to be
a carefree grasshopper like Ed Dolan the Great. In the end it doesn't matter
much since we all become food for worms - according to Zorba the Greek.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 18:43:56
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> ...
>> Sources are important in understanding reality. When you [Ed Dolan]
>> get out of middle school and have to get a job and make real
>> decisions, maybe you
>> will understand that.
> Ed Dolan lives off assets inherited from his parents.
Nice work if you can get it! (Beats drawing Gubmit Money.)
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:50:13
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1181876511.150275.325120@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 14, 10:01 am, Andres Muro wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 8:23 am, Carl Riehm wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> > > dgk wrote:
>>
>> > >> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist.
>> > >> He's
>> > >> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
>> > >> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of
>> > >> Israel.
>>
>> > > None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and
>> > > instead are
>> > > going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog
>> > > blather...
>>
>> > > (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border,
>> > > that's
>> > > been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency
>> > > AND the
>> > > Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>>
>> > It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like Bill
>> > Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran
>> > supplying
>> > arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the USA has invaded
>> > that country, thousands of miles away, for no good reason, causing
>> > hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to come when they pull
>> > out.
>>
>> What is sad about the whole thing is that the government makes
>> decisions without consulting people with expertise about culture,
>> history, past, etc. Then they act surprise when there is anti-american
>> sentiment. Also, they declare things that if you know anything about
>> the culture you know that it is a lie. But, if you are gullible, you
>> buy into it. For example, a senior official declared that there is
>> evidence that Iran is supplying guns to the Taliban. this is
>> borderline absurd. Of course, the senior official is not educated
>> enough, nor he cares to understand the differences between Iran and
>> the Taliban.
>
> Hey, it is just like the Catholic and Protestants in Northern Ireland.
> Since they are both Christian sects, they must be allies; right?
Nope, the Northern Irish are Scots and the rest are Irish. Religion is
almost irrelevant. It is all about ethnicity, not religion.
> Do we forget that Iran almost went to war against the Taliban, and
> even aided the US in (temporarily?) driving the Taliban from power?
The Taliban of Afghanistan are Sunni, not Shia like the Iranians (Persians).
>> They just make a statement and hope the americans who
>> love Budwiser would beleive it and that is it. To most Americans,
>> Iran, Iraq, the Taliban and afganistan are the same thing. they don't
>> give a hoot as to the differences. As long as we can keep drinking bud
>> light, who cares what the white house tells us. All we worry about is
>> when the government says that we need to bomb Iran, or they'll take
>> our miller away.
>
> Most USians do not realize than the Iranians are not Arabs, and the
> people who wear Turbans are Sikhs, not Arabs, rendering the ethnic
> insult "towel head" as ignorant as those who use it.
My contempt for Muslim Arabs knows no bounds. They badly need to get rid of
their execrable religion in order to become human beings.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:41:28
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 4:09 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 16, 11:17 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
> >>
> >> Absolute imbecile for an opponent. Unpopular war, major network
> >> forging docs to defeat him (a month before the election!), total
> >> mainstream press opposition (with resulting slanted "news
> >> coverage"), and yet he still won with the most votes of any
> >> candidate in history. Only possible explanation: Kerry is an
> >> incredible boob. LOL
>
> > The Kerry campaign performance makes one think that he was SUPPOSED to
> > lose the election.
>
> Meaning what?
That the powers that be insured that Kerry won the nomination, but
then did not mount a serious campaign? It is astonishing how
Democratic candidates keep hiring the same known losers as campaign
advisors. The only Democrat in recent history that actually acted like
he wanted to win was Willie Clinton.
> > Of course, the elections are mostly a choice between two groups of
> > overseers, chosen primarily by the financial elite who truly run the
> > US.
>
> Gee, I sort of thought I had a choice between GWB and JFK (is that right?).
> That's what MY ballot said, anyway...
When the "winner takes all", no instant runoff system makes third
party candidacies unviable, and both main parties represent the
interest of the same small group, how is there a real choice?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 18:09:56
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182030088.613599.302140@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 16, 4:09 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> > On Jun 16, 11:17 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Absolute imbecile for an opponent. Unpopular war, major network
>> >> forging docs to defeat him (a month before the election!), total
>> >> mainstream press opposition (with resulting slanted "news
>> >> coverage"), and yet he still won with the most votes of any
>> >> candidate in history. Only possible explanation: Kerry is an
>> >> incredible boob. LOL
>>
>> > The Kerry campaign performance makes one think that he was SUPPOSED to
>> > lose the election.
>>
>> Meaning what?
>
> That the powers that be insured that Kerry won the nomination, but
> then did not mount a serious campaign? It is astonishing how
> Democratic candidates keep hiring the same known losers as campaign
> advisors. The only Democrat in recent history that actually acted like
> he wanted to win was Willie Clinton.
>
>> > Of course, the elections are mostly a choice between two groups of
>> > overseers, chosen primarily by the financial elite who truly run the
>> > US.
>>
>> Gee, I sort of thought I had a choice between GWB and JFK (is that
>> right?).
>> That's what MY ballot said, anyway...
>
> When the "winner takes all", no instant runoff system makes third
> party candidacies unviable, and both main parties represent the
> interest of the same small group, how is there a real choice?
Mr. Sherman would like to resurrect the Communist Party of America. The fact
that the Soviet system failed miserably does not deter him from wanting a
collective system for society. God knows, I think we can go too far to
individualism, but still it is better than going too far to collectivism.
I urge Mr. Sherman to abandon his collective instincts. Mankind viewed
collectively is a freaking mess. The Soviets proved that much at least.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 10:27:51
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 11:17 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
> R Brickston wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:50:43 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>
> >> On Jun 16, 8:15 am, R Brickston wrote:
>
> >>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>
> >>>>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have
> >>>>>>> shown Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and
> >>>>>>> Choicepoint purged thousands of voters that should have been
> >>>>>>> eligible. Same story with the Blackwell purges and other
> >>>>>>> machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>
> >>>>>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount
> >>>>>> would have revealed?
>
> >>>>> The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago
> >>>>> did a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following
> >>>>> results:
>
> >>>>> Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their
> >>>>> survey - Gore by 171
> >>>>> Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore
> >>>>> by 115 Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
> >>>>> One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>
> >>>>> This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the
> >>>>> vote in precincts known to favor democrats.
>
> >>>> 1. What is meant by review?
>
> >>>> 2. What is the margin of error?
>
> >>> Forget it, I did my own research; after reading a report by one of
> >>> the eight news agencies that commissioned the study, I'm baffled
> >>> how you come to an opposite conclusion:
>
> >>> Florida recount study: Bush Still Wins
>
> >>> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential
> >>> election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had
> >>> allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate
> >>> George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
>
> >>> The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of
> >>> Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news
> >>> media companies, including CNN.
>
> >>> Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in
> >>> heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
> >>> counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
> >>> additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
> >>> 225-vote margin statewide.
>
> >>>http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
>
> >> Why Gore only wanted a partial recount is a mystery, but has no
> >> relevance to the way people actually INTENDED to vote. The full state
> >> recount IS relevant to the voters' intentions.
>
> > Intention is not counted and statewide, one would think that a similar
> > number of unintended votes for Dems were made by mistake.
>
> >> This still ignores the Harris/Choicepoint purges of eligible voters.
>
> > Unfortunately, is too late for recourse. How did Bush pull off 2004?
>
> Absolute imbecile for an opponent. Unpopular war, major network forging
> docs to defeat him (a month before the election!), total mainstream press
> opposition (with resulting slanted "news coverage"), and yet he still won
> with the most votes of any candidate in history. Only possible explanation:
> Kerry is an incredible boob. LOL
The Kerry campaign performance makes one think that he was SUPPOSED to
lose the election.
Of course, the elections are mostly a choice between two groups of
overseers, chosen primarily by the financial elite who truly run the
US.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:09:30
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 16, 11:17 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> R Brickston wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:50:43 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jun 16, 8:15 am, R Brickston wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>>
>>>>>>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have
>>>>>>>>> shown Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and
>>>>>>>>> Choicepoint purged thousands of voters that should have been
>>>>>>>>> eligible. Same story with the Blackwell purges and other
>>>>>>>>> machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>>
>>>>>>>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount
>>>>>>>> would have revealed?
>>
>>>>>>> The National Opinion Research Center at the University of
>>>>>>> Chicago did a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the
>>>>>>> following results:
>>
>>>>>>> Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their
>>>>>>> survey - Gore by 171
>>>>>>> Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore
>>>>>>> by 115 Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
>>>>>>> One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>>
>>>>>>> This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the
>>>>>>> vote in precincts known to favor democrats.
>>
>>>>>> 1. What is meant by review?
>>
>>>>>> 2. What is the margin of error?
>>
>>>>> Forget it, I did my own research; after reading a report by one of
>>>>> the eight news agencies that commissioned the study, I'm baffled
>>>>> how you come to an opposite conclusion:
>>
>>>>> Florida recount study: Bush Still Wins
>>
>>>>> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential
>>>>> election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had
>>>>> allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate
>>>>> George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
>>
>>>>> The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of
>>>>> Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight
>>>>> news media companies, including CNN.
>>
>>>>> Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount
>>>>> in heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
>>>>> counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
>>>>> additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
>>>>> 225-vote margin statewide.
>>
>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
>>
>>>> Why Gore only wanted a partial recount is a mystery, but has no
>>>> relevance to the way people actually INTENDED to vote. The full
>>>> state recount IS relevant to the voters' intentions.
>>
>>> Intention is not counted and statewide, one would think that a
>>> similar number of unintended votes for Dems were made by mistake.
>>
>>>> This still ignores the Harris/Choicepoint purges of eligible
>>>> voters.
>>
>>> Unfortunately, is too late for recourse. How did Bush pull off 2004?
>>
>> Absolute imbecile for an opponent. Unpopular war, major network
>> forging docs to defeat him (a month before the election!), total
>> mainstream press opposition (with resulting slanted "news
>> coverage"), and yet he still won with the most votes of any
>> candidate in history. Only possible explanation: Kerry is an
>> incredible boob. LOL
>
> The Kerry campaign performance makes one think that he was SUPPOSED to
> lose the election.
Meaning what?
> Of course, the elections are mostly a choice between two groups of
> overseers, chosen primarily by the financial elite who truly run the
> US.
Gee, I sort of thought I had a choice between GWB and JFK (is that right?).
That's what MY ballot said, anyway...
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 9:43 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:50:43 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>
>
>
> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 16, 8:15 am, R Brickston wrote:
>
> >> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>
> >> >>On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston wrote:
> >> >>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>
> >> >>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>> >...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
> >> >>> >Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
> >> >>> >purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
> >> >>> >with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>
> >> >>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
> >> >>> have revealed?
>
> >> >>The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
> >> >>a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>
> >> >>Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
> >> >>Gore by 171
> >> >>Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
> >> >>Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
> >> >>One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>
> >> >>This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
> >> >>precincts known to favor democrats.
>
> >> >1. What is meant by review?
>
> >> >2. What is the margin of error?
>
> >> Forget it, I did my own research; after reading a report by one of the
> >> eight news agencies that commissioned the study, I'm baffled how you
> >> come to an opposite conclusion:
>
> >> Florida recount study: Bush Still Wins
>
> >> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential
> >> election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had
> >> allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate
> >> George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
>
> >> The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of
> >> Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news
> >> media companies, including CNN.
>
> >> Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in
> >> heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
> >> counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
> >> additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
> >> 225-vote margin statewide.
>
> >>http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
>
> >Why Gore only wanted a partial recount is a mystery, but has no
> >relevance to the way people actually INTENDED to vote. The full state
> >recount IS relevant to the voters' intentions.
>
> Intention is not counted and statewide, one would think that a similar
> number of unintended votes for Dems were made by mistake.
>
>
>
> >This still ignores the Harris/Choicepoint purges of eligible voters.
>
> Unfortunately, is too late for recourse. How did Bush pull off 2004?
Almost half of the 6 million American voters living abroad never
received requested absentee ballots or received them too late, due to
the Pentagon shutting down the web site used to file overseas
registrations.
A Republican National Committee hired consulting firm, Sproul &
Associates, was discovered shredding registrations by Democrats.
In New Mexico, which Bush "won" by less than 6000 votes, voting
machines failed to properly register a vote for president on more than
20,000 ballots.
An estimated 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment
according to the United States Election Assistance Commission.
Then Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell purged almost 25% of the voters
in the city of Cleveland, where Kerry won 83% of the vote. Overall in
Ohio, 357,000 potential voters were denied their right to register to
vote or did not have their ballots counted - almost all from heavily
Democratic precincts. On district in Cleveland had an unbelievable
official turnout of 7% in the 2004 election. There is evidence that up
to 80,000 Kerry votes were transferred to Bush.
In Ohio, waiting times in inner city precincts were 3 to 7 hours,
while at some colleges waiting times exceeded 11 hours due to lack or
voting machines. Miraculously, there were plenty of machines and short
lines in precincts expected to favor Republicans.
Ellen Connally, a liberal black judge candidate for the Ohio State
Supreme Court who supported homosexual rights outpolled Kerry by 10%
in 12 rural, mostly white counties, which stretches credulity. Kerry
outpolled Connally by 32% state wide.
In Clermont County, sworn affidavits by election observers given to
the House Judiciary Committee describe ballots on which marks for
Kerry were covered up with white stickers, while marks for Bush were
filled in to replace them, before optical scanning.
Jacqueline Maiden and Kathleen Dreamer have been convicting of rigging
the Ohio recount of votes from the 2004 election (recount paid for by
the Libertarian and Green parties).
This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 17:59:04
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jun 16, 9:43 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:50:43 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>>
>>
>>
>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Jun 16, 8:15 am, R Brickston wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>
>> >> >>On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston wrote:
>> >> >>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>>
>> >> >>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
>> >> >>> >Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
>> >> >>> >purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
>> >> >>> >with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>>
>> >> >>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
>> >> >>> have revealed?
>>
>> >> >>The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
>> >> >>a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>>
>> >> >>Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
>> >> >>Gore by 171
>> >> >>Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
>> >> >>Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
>> >> >>One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>>
>> >> >>This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
>> >> >>precincts known to favor democrats.
>>
>> >> >1. What is meant by review?
>>
>> >> >2. What is the margin of error?
>>
>> >> Forget it, I did my own research; after reading a report by one of the
>> >> eight news agencies that commissioned the study, I'm baffled how you
>> >> come to an opposite conclusion:
>>
>> >> Florida recount study: Bush Still Wins
>>
>> >> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential
>> >> election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had
>> >> allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate
>> >> George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
>>
>> >> The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of
>> >> Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news
>> >> media companies, including CNN.
>>
>> >> Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in
>> >> heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
>> >> counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
>> >> additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
>> >> 225-vote margin statewide.
>>
>> >>http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
>>
>> >Why Gore only wanted a partial recount is a mystery, but has no
>> >relevance to the way people actually INTENDED to vote. The full state
>> >recount IS relevant to the voters' intentions.
>>
>> Intention is not counted and statewide, one would think that a similar
>> number of unintended votes for Dems were made by mistake.
>>
>>
>>
>> >This still ignores the Harris/Choicepoint purges of eligible voters.
>>
>> Unfortunately, is too late for recourse. How did Bush pull off 2004?
>
>Almost half of the 6 million American voters living abroad never
>received requested absentee ballots or received them too late, due to
>the Pentagon shutting down the web site used to file overseas
>registrations.
>
>A Republican National Committee hired consulting firm, Sproul &
>Associates, was discovered shredding registrations by Democrats.
>
>In New Mexico, which Bush "won" by less than 6000 votes, voting
>machines failed to properly register a vote for president on more than
>20,000 ballots.
>
>An estimated 1 million ballots were spoiled by faulty voting equipment
>according to the United States Election Assistance Commission.
>
>Then Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell purged almost 25% of the voters
>in the city of Cleveland, where Kerry won 83% of the vote. Overall in
>Ohio, 357,000 potential voters were denied their right to register to
>vote or did not have their ballots counted - almost all from heavily
>Democratic precincts. On district in Cleveland had an unbelievable
>official turnout of 7% in the 2004 election. There is evidence that up
>to 80,000 Kerry votes were transferred to Bush.
>
>In Ohio, waiting times in inner city precincts were 3 to 7 hours,
>while at some colleges waiting times exceeded 11 hours due to lack or
>voting machines. Miraculously, there were plenty of machines and short
>lines in precincts expected to favor Republicans.
>
>Ellen Connally, a liberal black judge candidate for the Ohio State
>Supreme Court who supported homosexual rights outpolled Kerry by 10%
>in 12 rural, mostly white counties, which stretches credulity. Kerry
>outpolled Connally by 32% state wide.
>
>In Clermont County, sworn affidavits by election observers given to
>the House Judiciary Committee describe ballots on which marks for
>Kerry were covered up with white stickers, while marks for Bush were
>filled in to replace them, before optical scanning.
>
>Jacqueline Maiden and Kathleen Dreamer have been convicting of rigging
>the Ohio recount of votes from the 2004 election (recount paid for by
>the Libertarian and Green parties).
>
>This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of this
is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee hearings,
panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only outrage seems to come
from the fringes.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 13:42:35
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1181876511.150275.325120@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Most USians do not realize than the Iranians are not Arabs, and the
> people who wear Turbans are Sikhs, not Arabs, rendering the ethnic
> insult "towel head" as ignorant as those who use it.
"Towel head" isn't about turbans, it's about the arab dress style which
involves apparently wearing a tea-towel upon one's head.
Or have I just missed something?
cheers,
clive
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 06:27:34
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:01:51 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Most USians do not realize than the Iranians are not Arabs, and the
>people who wear Turbans are Sikhs, not Arabs, rendering the ethnic
>insult "towel head" as ignorant as those who use it.
Who cares about these details, they're all dark skinned and they all
hate us for our way of life and the freedom we believe in.
--
JT
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:19:49
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 11:11 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
> R Brickston wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:48:42 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> > <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12 GMT, R Brickston
> >> <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>
> >>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> >>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal
> >>>>> immigrants to vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your
> >>>>> damnedest to prevent overseas military votes from being counted.
> >>>>> (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>
> >>>>> NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>
> >>>>> Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know"
> >>>>> S.
>
> >>>> Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
> >>>> attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to say,
> >>>> either the leadership of the White House or the Justice Department
> >>>> or both were making decisions about the prosecution of law in the
> >>>> US with an eye primarily on winning elections.
>
> >>>> If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't know
> >>>> what is.
>
> >>> How about a source?
>
> >> Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez, David Iglesias testimony to
> >> Congress, among others.
>
> >> It's the only explanation left. Multiple rationales for the firings
> >> have been made by staff in the Justice Department and all have been
> >> shown to be bogus. Read the papers. Read major papers. Watch the
> >> Goodling testimony. Watch the Gonzalez testimony, Watch the Iglesias
> >> testimon
>
> > Pure conjecture.
>
> What was the underlying purpose of Clinton firing *93* US Attorneys --
> including the one in Arkansas investigating Whitewater AND the one about to
> indict Dem Don Rostenkowski? (No "conjecture" needed.) Where was the media
> attention to that? Where was the outcry in Congress?
>
> When will Flogger get the fact that I /plonked/ him many months ago -- have
> reminded of this many times -- and yet he continues to direct questions to
> me as if I see his stuff?
>
> He really IS delusional...
Sornson must be seeing JFT's "stuff", since he is including quoted
portions in his posting, yet claims not to see it. Delusional?
For once, Ed Dolan is right. If you kill-file someone, you should not
comment on their posts.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 17:30:50
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182017989.968308.15730@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 16, 11:11 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> R Brickston wrote:
>> > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:48:42 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>> > <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12 GMT, R Brickston
>> >> <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>
>> >>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>> >>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me>
>> >>>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal
>> >>>>> immigrants to vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your
>> >>>>> damnedest to prevent overseas military votes from being counted.
>> >>>>> (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>
>> >>>>> NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>
>> >>>>> Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know"
>> >>>>> S.
>>
>> >>>> Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
>> >>>> attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to say,
>> >>>> either the leadership of the White House or the Justice Department
>> >>>> or both were making decisions about the prosecution of law in the
>> >>>> US with an eye primarily on winning elections.
>>
>> >>>> If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't know
>> >>>> what is.
>>
>> >>> How about a source?
>>
>> >> Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez, David Iglesias testimony to
>> >> Congress, among others.
>>
>> >> It's the only explanation left. Multiple rationales for the firings
>> >> have been made by staff in the Justice Department and all have been
>> >> shown to be bogus. Read the papers. Read major papers. Watch the
>> >> Goodling testimony. Watch the Gonzalez testimony, Watch the Iglesias
>> >> testimon
>>
>> > Pure conjecture.
>>
>> What was the underlying purpose of Clinton firing *93* US Attorneys --
>> including the one in Arkansas investigating Whitewater AND the one about
>> to
>> indict Dem Don Rostenkowski? (No "conjecture" needed.) Where was the
>> media
>> attention to that? Where was the outcry in Congress?
>>
>> When will Flogger get the fact that I /plonked/ him many months ago --
>> have
>> reminded of this many times -- and yet he continues to direct questions
>> to
>> me as if I see his stuff?
>>
>> He really IS delusional...
>
> Sornson must be seeing JFT's "stuff", since he is including quoted
> portions in his posting, yet claims not to see it. Delusional?
>
> For once, Ed Dolan is right. If you kill-file someone, you should not
> comment on their posts.
Mr. Sherman and I are on the same page here. You simply must read whatever
is being posted by a given individual if you want to comment on his posts.
My very worst enemies on Usenet are those who comment on me without reading
my original posts. Mr. Sherman has never been guilty of this and I respect
him for it. I simply do not understand those who kill-file. Words can NEVER
hurt me. In fact, I thrive on hurtful words.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
> world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
> David Michael Green
The above is only true for fundamentalists. In the world of today, those
folks are mainly the Muslim Arabs.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:06:53
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 16, 11:11 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> R Brickston wrote:
>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:48:42 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12 GMT, R Brickston
>>>> <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal
>>>>>>> immigrants to vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your
>>>>>>> damnedest to prevent overseas military votes from being counted.
>>>>>>> (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>
>>>>>>> NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>
>>>>>>> Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know"
>>>>>>> S.
>>
>>>>>> Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
>>>>>> attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to
>>>>>> say, either the leadership of the White House or the Justice
>>>>>> Department or both were making decisions about the prosecution
>>>>>> of law in the US with an eye primarily on winning elections.
>>
>>>>>> If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't
>>>>>> know what is.
>>
>>>>> How about a source?
>>
>>>> Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez, David Iglesias testimony to
>>>> Congress, among others.
>>
>>>> It's the only explanation left. Multiple rationales for the
>>>> firings have been made by staff in the Justice Department and all
>>>> have been shown to be bogus. Read the papers. Read major
>>>> papers. Watch the Goodling testimony. Watch the Gonzalez
>>>> testimony, Watch the Iglesias testimon
>>
>>> Pure conjecture.
>>
>> What was the underlying purpose of Clinton firing *93* US Attorneys
>> -- including the one in Arkansas investigating Whitewater AND the
>> one about to indict Dem Don Rostenkowski? (No "conjecture" needed.)
>> Where was the media attention to that? Where was the outcry in
>> Congress?
>>
>> When will Flogger get the fact that I /plonked/ him many months ago
>> -- have reminded of this many times -- and yet he continues to
>> direct questions to me as if I see his stuff?
>>
>> He really IS delusional...
>
> Sornson must be seeing JFT's "stuff", since he is including quoted
> portions in his posting, yet claims not to see it. Delusional?
>
> For once, Ed Dolan is right. If you kill-file someone, you should not
> comment on their posts.
Bright bulb: I only see his stuff when someone else replies to him. What
I'm commenting on is his continuance to ADDRESS THINGS TO ME. He can
comment on what I write all he wants, but when he keeps asking me questions
or otherwise directing things to me when he knows I plonked him, well...
it's just a little sad slash pathetic slash delusional.
HTH!
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 17:47:15
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote in message
news:467450f4$0$30676$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> On Jun 16, 11:11 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> R Brickston wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:48:42 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12 GMT, R Brickston
>>>>> <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal
>>>>>>>> immigrants to vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your
>>>>>>>> damnedest to prevent overseas military votes from being counted.
>>>>>>>> (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>
>>>>>>>> NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know"
>>>>>>>> S.
>>>
>>>>>>> Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
>>>>>>> attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to
>>>>>>> say, either the leadership of the White House or the Justice
>>>>>>> Department or both were making decisions about the prosecution
>>>>>>> of law in the US with an eye primarily on winning elections.
>>>
>>>>>>> If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't
>>>>>>> know what is.
>>>
>>>>>> How about a source?
>>>
>>>>> Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez, David Iglesias testimony to
>>>>> Congress, among others.
>>>
>>>>> It's the only explanation left. Multiple rationales for the
>>>>> firings have been made by staff in the Justice Department and all
>>>>> have been shown to be bogus. Read the papers. Read major
>>>>> papers. Watch the Goodling testimony. Watch the Gonzalez
>>>>> testimony, Watch the Iglesias testimon
>>>
>>>> Pure conjecture.
>>>
>>> What was the underlying purpose of Clinton firing *93* US Attorneys
>>> -- including the one in Arkansas investigating Whitewater AND the
>>> one about to indict Dem Don Rostenkowski? (No "conjecture" needed.)
>>> Where was the media attention to that? Where was the outcry in
>>> Congress?
>>>
>>> When will Flogger get the fact that I /plonked/ him many months ago
>>> -- have reminded of this many times -- and yet he continues to
>>> direct questions to me as if I see his stuff?
>>>
>>> He really IS delusional...
>>
>> Sornson must be seeing JFT's "stuff", since he is including quoted
>> portions in his posting, yet claims not to see it. Delusional?
>>
>> For once, Ed Dolan is right. If you kill-file someone, you should not
>> comment on their posts.
>
> Bright bulb: I only see his stuff when someone else replies to him. What
> I'm commenting on is his continuance to ADDRESS THINGS TO ME. He can
> comment on what I write all he wants, but when he keeps asking me
> questions or otherwise directing things to me when he knows I plonked him,
> well... it's just a little sad slash pathetic slash delusional.
Bill, you are wrong here. Do not kill-file anyone ever! But if you do it,
then you should NEVER respond to anything that is said with respect to that
individual. Yes, that is hard to do, so that is the reason why you should
never kill-file anyone.
My very worst fights have been with those who kill-file me and yet feel free
to respond to my messages based on what others are quoting. This is very
unfair as others edit to please themselves. We need to be fair to everyone,
no matter how much being an asshole we believe them to be. I would rather be
fair than be right.
Best Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 21:45:27
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:06:53 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>Bright bulb: I only see his stuff when someone else replies to him. What
>I'm commenting on is his continuance to ADDRESS THINGS TO ME.
I'm not sure if it's possible with Outlook Express which you seem to
be using, but with some newsreaders you can filter posts by specific
words anywhere in the message and not just by the author. So that
would remove, for you, any posts from me.
I'll still respond to you and ask you questions -- if you play in
public you get treated as being in public, but at least you won't look
like such a dope quoting things I wrote while claiming you've filtered
me out.
Just a suggestion.
--
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 17:56:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote in message
news:ad4973dn376e4ie2t9gc6a123cni9ojcen@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:06:53 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
> wrote:
>
>>Bright bulb: I only see his stuff when someone else replies to him. What
>>I'm commenting on is his continuance to ADDRESS THINGS TO ME.
>
> I'm not sure if it's possible with Outlook Express which you seem to
> be using, but with some newsreaders you can filter posts by specific
> words anywhere in the message and not just by the author. So that
> would remove, for you, any posts from me.
>
> I'll still respond to you and ask you questions -- if you play in
> public you get treated as being in public, but at least you won't look
> like such a dope quoting things I wrote while claiming you've filtered
> me out.
>
> Just a suggestion.
I agree with Tomlinson here. Once you have kill-filed someone then you have
no longer have any right to respond to anything that is said about him or to
him.
I have never kill-filed anyone in my life and I would never give anyone that
satisfaction. Nope, I will read you until hell freezes over and it will ever
be my pleasure to tell you what an idiot you are.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 20:41:57
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:06:53 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
> I only see his stuff when someone else replies to him. What
>I'm commenting on is his continuance to ADDRESS THINGS TO ME. He can
>comment on what I write all he wants, but when he keeps asking me questions
>or otherwise directing things to me when he knows I plonked him, well...
>it's just a little sad slash pathetic slash delusional.
You've clearly seen at least some questions I've addressed to you, so
my questioning you is working, to some extent.
But you've chosen not to answer any of them. Not leading questions,
but very simple ones. Typical of a coward.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:33:16
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:19:49 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Sornson must be seeing JFT's "stuff", since he is including quoted
>portions in his posting, yet claims not to see it. Delusional?
He's responded to thing I wrote at least 10 times since announcing I
was in his killfile.
But never actually answering questions I've asked him -- I think
that's what he's trying to avoid by filtering out my comments.
He has claimed he put me in a killfile so that I could no longer
distort his writing. I don't think I do that, but even if I did he
doesn't seem to understand that his killfiing me doesn't prevent me
from writing about and commenting on his posts in ways that other
people can see.
It's an example of how doesn't have a very good grasp of how usenet
works.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 21:10:24
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:01:51 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Most USians do not realize than the Iranians are not Arabs, and the
>> people who wear Turbans are Sikhs, not Arabs, rendering the ethnic
>> insult "towel head" as ignorant as those who use it.
>
> Who cares about these details, they're all dark skinned and they all
> hate us for our way of life and the freedom we believe in.
I think there is a twist of fate that has been overlooked.
Ever since Bush #1 invaded Iraq and left the "Highway of death", and did
not finish the job by getting Hussein, ALL Muslims have hated the US.
Having Bush #2 elected was the straw that broke the camel's back with
them. They didn't hate the US that badly, since we rescued Kuwait, but
they did hate the Bush name. When dipshit junior got elected that is
probably what prompted the 9/11 attacks. If we were to put both father
and son in front of a firing squad and do the right thing by them and
pull all troops out of their land, we might actually have good relations
again. I think it is a censored fact that the Muslims just plain hate
Bush's, especially as president.
Bill Baka
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 17:02:42
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:4fDci.19608$C96.10016@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:01:51 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Most USians do not realize than the Iranians are not Arabs, and the
>>> people who wear Turbans are Sikhs, not Arabs, rendering the ethnic
>>> insult "towel head" as ignorant as those who use it.
>>
>> Who cares about these details, they're all dark skinned and they all
>> hate us for our way of life and the freedom we believe in.
>
> I think there is a twist of fate that has been overlooked.
> Ever since Bush #1 invaded Iraq and left the "Highway of death", and did
> not finish the job by getting Hussein, ALL Muslims have hated the US.
> Having Bush #2 elected was the straw that broke the camel's back with
> them. They didn't hate the US that badly, since we rescued Kuwait, but
> they did hate the Bush name. When dipshit junior got elected that is
> probably what prompted the 9/11 attacks. If we were to put both father and
> son in front of a firing squad and do the right thing by them and pull all
> troops out of their land, we might actually have good relations again. I
> think it is a censored fact that the Muslims just plain hate Bush's,
> especially as president.
> Bill Baka
It is Bill Baka who needs to be put before a firing squad for his treason to
the US and for his cowardice in the face of the enemy. I assure you that the
Muslims hate Bill Baka and there is nothing they would like better than to
fuck his miserable ass.
The one thing we can know for sure is that liberals like Bill Baka will
never know how to deal with Muslim terrorists. Bill Baka is going to vote
for Hilary like all those dumbass Californians. Only the South is going to
save this nation!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 21:00:27
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 9:41 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >>> On Jun 16, 4:13 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> >>>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>
> >>>>>> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of
> >>>>>> this is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee
> >>>>>> hearings, panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only
> >>>>>> outrage seems to come from the fringes.
>
> >>>>> Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
> >>>>> "structural" disadvantages.
>
> >>>>> The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who
> >>>>> revisits the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it"
> >>>>> retort.
>
> >>>> You've GOT to be kidding.
>
> >>> Oh please. How many "Sore/Loserman" comments were there at the end
> >>> of 2001?
>
> >> I hear more about how Gore "really won" that elelction now than ever
> >> before (other than immediately after). Hell, watch PMSNBC and it's
> >> either that or Scooter Libby, 24/7.
>
> > Buyer's remorse from the mainstream media that ignored all of Bush's
> > faults until it was too late?
>
> Absurd. They despised him from the start (SCOTUS decision -- NOT HIS FAULT
> by the way); couldn't wait to start undermining him at every turn.
Oh come on - the mainstream press never challenged the administration,
because they would lose "access". Besides, the major media is owned by
the corporate class that heavily donates money to Republicans,
including Bush.
There were plenty of reasons to dislike Bush that had nothing to do
with the Bush vs. Gore decision. We could start with Bush's
aristocratic "How dare you question me" attitude.
> >>>>> Note that
> >>>>> Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same
> >>>>> mindset.
>
> >>>>> Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as
> >>>>> the Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
>
> >>>> Horseshit. If they could discredit the 2004 elelction by any means
> >>>> whatsoever, they would do it.
>
> >>>> You keep forgetting: the SHADOW GOVERNMENT! (Why else did they
> >>>> wait till well after the 2006 elections to indict William
> >>>> Jeffererson, D LA, for crimes committed -- on tape -- in 2004 and
> >>>> even earlier?!?)
>
> >>> Got to stop listening to so much talk radio or Faux News, or
> >>> whatever you get your wacko ideas from - they are more out there
> >>> than Bill Baka's 50-mph kiddie tricycle ride.
>
> >> You don't think the press "cooperated" in Macaca, Foley, Libby, etc.
> >> while all but completely ignoring Berger, Jefferson, and now
> >> Feinstein?!? (Her husband made millions fron defense contracts
> >> while she sat on the Appropriations Committee, and NO ONE says a
> >> word about it. Do you honestly think they'd ignore a Republican
> >> doing that?!?)
>
> >> Get real. (Not faux.)
>
> > The mainstream press gave a total pass on the BS that was being passed
> > off as "evidence" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al
> > Qaeda, until it was several years too late.
>
> Get real...again. Read Kerry's and especially Hillary's CASE FOR WAR
> delivered on Senate floor. Read UNMOVIC reports and
> American/Russian/British/Israely/FRENCH intelligence. Listen to Al Gore in
> the '90s connecting -- passionately -- Saddam to terrorist organizations.
So we are talking about DLC DINOs that are funded by and support the
corporate class. They (except Gore) are guilty for supporting the
Conquest of Iraq with their votes, whether out of conviction or
political fear. Compared to Cheney/Bush, their positive aspect is they
are the lesser of two evils.
> Are you an ostrich in real life or just play one on the Internet?
Bill Sornson needs to figure out that I am not a partisan Democrat.
Sheesh!
--
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 18:35:12
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182052827.143608.125240@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 16, 9:41 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>
>> > On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> >> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> >>> On Jun 16, 4:13 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> >>>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> >>>>> On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> >>>>>> ...
>> >>>>>>> This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>>
>> >>>>>> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of
>> >>>>>> this is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee
>> >>>>>> hearings, panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only
>> >>>>>> outrage seems to come from the fringes.
>>
>> >>>>> Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
>> >>>>> "structural" disadvantages.
>>
>> >>>>> The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who
>> >>>>> revisits the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it"
>> >>>>> retort.
>>
>> >>>> You've GOT to be kidding.
>>
>> >>> Oh please. How many "Sore/Loserman" comments were there at the end
>> >>> of 2001?
>>
>> >> I hear more about how Gore "really won" that elelction now than ever
>> >> before (other than immediately after). Hell, watch PMSNBC and it's
>> >> either that or Scooter Libby, 24/7.
>>
>> > Buyer's remorse from the mainstream media that ignored all of Bush's
>> > faults until it was too late?
>>
>> Absurd. They despised him from the start (SCOTUS decision -- NOT HIS
>> FAULT
>> by the way); couldn't wait to start undermining him at every turn.
>
> Oh come on - the mainstream press never challenged the administration,
> because they would lose "access". Besides, the major media is owned by
> the corporate class that heavily donates money to Republicans,
> including Bush.
The major media is liberal to the core. It does not matter who owns them. It
is the editors and the journalists who control what gets said.
> There were plenty of reasons to dislike Bush that had nothing to do
> with the Bush vs. Gore decision. We could start with Bush's
> aristocratic "How dare you question me" attitude.
Now Mr. Sherman is getting ridiculous. The Great Ed Dolan merely says fuck
all liberals!
>> >>>>> Note that
>> >>>>> Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same
>> >>>>> mindset.
>>
>> >>>>> Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as
>> >>>>> the Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
>>
>> >>>> Horseshit. If they could discredit the 2004 elelction by any means
>> >>>> whatsoever, they would do it.
>>
>> >>>> You keep forgetting: the SHADOW GOVERNMENT! (Why else did they
>> >>>> wait till well after the 2006 elections to indict William
>> >>>> Jeffererson, D LA, for crimes committed -- on tape -- in 2004 and
>> >>>> even earlier?!?)
>>
>> >>> Got to stop listening to so much talk radio or Faux News, or
>> >>> whatever you get your wacko ideas from - they are more out there
>> >>> than Bill Baka's 50-mph kiddie tricycle ride.
>>
>> >> You don't think the press "cooperated" in Macaca, Foley, Libby, etc.
>> >> while all but completely ignoring Berger, Jefferson, and now
>> >> Feinstein?!? (Her husband made millions fron defense contracts
>> >> while she sat on the Appropriations Committee, and NO ONE says a
>> >> word about it. Do you honestly think they'd ignore a Republican
>> >> doing that?!?)
>>
>> >> Get real. (Not faux.)
>>
>> > The mainstream press gave a total pass on the BS that was being passed
>> > off as "evidence" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al
>> > Qaeda, until it was several years too late.
>>
>> Get real...again. Read Kerry's and especially Hillary's CASE FOR WAR
>> delivered on Senate floor. Read UNMOVIC reports and
>> American/Russian/British/Israely/FRENCH intelligence. Listen to Al Gore
>> in
>> the '90s connecting -- passionately -- Saddam to terrorist organizations.
Nope, I can't listen to Al Gore on anything. Thank God he never became
President. Whew ... that was a close one I must admit!
> So we are talking about DLC DINOs that are funded by and support the
> corporate class. They (except Gore) are guilty for supporting the
> Conquest of Iraq with their votes, whether out of conviction or
> political fear. Compared to Cheney/Bush, their positive aspect is they
> are the lesser of two evils.
>
>> Are you an ostrich in real life or just play one on the Internet?
>
> Bill Sornson needs to figure out that I am not a partisan Democrat.
> Sheesh!
Mr. Sherman is a partisan Communist. He is a liberal ideologue of the worst
sort. There is just no way he can ever think straight on anything. The
tearing down of the Berlin Wall was his worst nightmare come true.
Mr. Sherman, were you ever a Communist party member? We need to know just
how red were you?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 19:06:26
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 16, 4:13 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >>> On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>
> >>>> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of
> >>>> this is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee
> >>>> hearings, panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only outrage
> >>>> seems to come from the fringes.
>
> >>> Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
> >>> "structural" disadvantages.
>
> >>> The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who revisits
> >>> the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it" retort.
>
> >> You've GOT to be kidding.
>
> > Oh please. How many "Sore/Loserman" comments were there at the end of
> > 2001?
>
> I hear more about how Gore "really won" that elelction now than ever before
> (other than immediately after). Hell, watch PMSNBC and it's either that or
> Scooter Libby, 24/7.
Buyer's remorse from the mainstream media that ignored all of Bush's
faults until it was too late?
> >>> Note that
> >>> Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same
> >>> mindset.
>
> >>> Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as
> >>> the Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
>
> >> Horseshit. If they could discredit the 2004 elelction by any means
> >> whatsoever, they would do it.
>
> >> You keep forgetting: the SHADOW GOVERNMENT! (Why else did they
> >> wait till well after the 2006 elections to indict William
> >> Jeffererson, D LA, for crimes committed -- on tape -- in 2004 and
> >> even earlier?!?)
>
> > Got to stop listening to so much talk radio or Faux News, or whatever
> > you get your wacko ideas from - they are more out there than Bill
> > Baka's 50-mph kiddie tricycle ride.
>
> You don't think the press "cooperated" in Macaca, Foley, Libby, etc. while
> all but completely ignoring Berger, Jefferson, and now Feinstein?!? (Her
> husband made millions fron defense contracts while she sat on the
> Appropriations Committee, and NO ONE says a word about it. Do you honestly
> think they'd ignore a Republican doing that?!?)
>
> Get real. (Not faux.)
The mainstream press gave a total pass on the BS that was being passed
off as "evidence" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al
Qaeda, until it was several years too late.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 19:41:05
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> On Jun 16, 8:25 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 4:13 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>>
>>>>>> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of
>>>>>> this is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee
>>>>>> hearings, panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only
>>>>>> outrage seems to come from the fringes.
>>
>>>>> Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
>>>>> "structural" disadvantages.
>>
>>>>> The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who
>>>>> revisits the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it"
>>>>> retort.
>>
>>>> You've GOT to be kidding.
>>
>>> Oh please. How many "Sore/Loserman" comments were there at the end
>>> of 2001?
>>
>> I hear more about how Gore "really won" that elelction now than ever
>> before (other than immediately after). Hell, watch PMSNBC and it's
>> either that or Scooter Libby, 24/7.
>
> Buyer's remorse from the mainstream media that ignored all of Bush's
> faults until it was too late?
Absurd. They despised him from the start (SCOTUS decision -- NOT HIS FAULT
by the way); couldn't wait to start undermining him at every turn.
>>>>> Note that
>>>>> Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same
>>>>> mindset.
>>
>>>>> Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as
>>>>> the Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
>>
>>>> Horseshit. If they could discredit the 2004 elelction by any means
>>>> whatsoever, they would do it.
>>
>>>> You keep forgetting: the SHADOW GOVERNMENT! (Why else did they
>>>> wait till well after the 2006 elections to indict William
>>>> Jeffererson, D LA, for crimes committed -- on tape -- in 2004 and
>>>> even earlier?!?)
>>
>>> Got to stop listening to so much talk radio or Faux News, or
>>> whatever you get your wacko ideas from - they are more out there
>>> than Bill Baka's 50-mph kiddie tricycle ride.
>>
>> You don't think the press "cooperated" in Macaca, Foley, Libby, etc.
>> while all but completely ignoring Berger, Jefferson, and now
>> Feinstein?!? (Her husband made millions fron defense contracts
>> while she sat on the Appropriations Committee, and NO ONE says a
>> word about it. Do you honestly think they'd ignore a Republican
>> doing that?!?)
>>
>> Get real. (Not faux.)
>
> The mainstream press gave a total pass on the BS that was being passed
> off as "evidence" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and ties to Al
> Qaeda, until it was several years too late.
Get real...again. Read Kerry's and especially Hillary's CASE FOR WAR
delivered on Senate floor. Read UNMOVIC reports and
American/Russian/British/Israely/FRENCH intelligence. Listen to Al Gore in
the '90s connecting -- passionately -- Saddam to terrorist organizations.
Are you an ostrich in real life or just play one on the Internet?
Out. BS (not)
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 22:48:15
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:41:05 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>
>Get real...again. Read Kerry's and especially Hillary's CASE FOR WAR
>delivered on Senate floor. Read UNMOVIC reports and
>American/Russian/British/Israely/FRENCH intelligence. Listen to Al Gore in
>the '90s connecting -- passionately -- Saddam to terrorist organizations.
>
>Are you an ostrich in real life or just play one on the Internet?
The funniest thing is that you still seem to believe the decisions
made at that time were right. You neglect the cherry-picking of
intelligence, the use of intelligence known to be wrong, and the fact
that many people in Congress and the media were duped.
They should have done better. They should have been more skeptical.
But your pals who did the duping have blood on their hands. And you
still support them.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 18:19:13
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote in message
news:948973toaanhbgn4rms5ihs9lqup5ehq27@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:41:05 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Get real...again. Read Kerry's and especially Hillary's CASE FOR WAR
>>delivered on Senate floor. Read UNMOVIC reports and
>>American/Russian/British/Israely/FRENCH intelligence. Listen to Al Gore
>>in
>>the '90s connecting -- passionately -- Saddam to terrorist organizations.
>>
>>Are you an ostrich in real life or just play one on the Internet?
>
> The funniest thing is that you still seem to believe the decisions
> made at that time were right. You neglect the cherry-picking of
> intelligence, the use of intelligence known to be wrong, and the fact
> that many people in Congress and the media were duped.
>
> They should have done better. They should have been more skeptical.
>
> But your pals who did the duping have blood on their hands. And you
> still support them.
Nope, EVERYONE in the world believed that Saddam had weapons of mass
destruction. In fact, they may now be residing in Syria.
But leave it to the liberal Dems to ever be cowardly and treasonous. If only
the Muslims would kill all of them, I would rejoice! Yea, good riddance to
bad rubbish!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 20:24:08
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:19:13 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>EVERYONE in the world believed that Saddam had weapons of mass
>destruction. In fact, they may now be residing in Syria.
Not true.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:46:44
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 4:13 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >> ...
> >>> This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>
> >> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of
> >> this is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee
> >> hearings, panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only outrage
> >> seems to come from the fringes.
>
> > Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
> > "structural" disadvantages.
>
> > The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who revisits
> > the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it" retort.
>
> You've GOT to be kidding.
Oh please. How many "Sore/Loserman" comments were there at the end of
2001?
> > Note that
> > Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same mindset.
>
> > Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as the
> > Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
>
> Horseshit. If they could discredit the 2004 elelction by any means
> whatsoever, they would do it.
>
> You keep forgetting: the SHADOW GOVERNMENT! (Why else did they wait till
> well after the 2006 elections to indict William Jeffererson, D LA, for
> crimes committed -- on tape -- in 2004 and even earlier?!?)
Got to stop listening to so much talk radio or Faux News, or whatever
you get your wacko ideas from - they are more out there than Bill
Baka's 50-mph kiddie tricycle ride.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 18:25:00
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 16, 4:13 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>>
>>>> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of
>>>> this is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee
>>>> hearings, panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only outrage
>>>> seems to come from the fringes.
>>
>>> Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
>>> "structural" disadvantages.
>>
>>> The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who revisits
>>> the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it" retort.
>>
>> You've GOT to be kidding.
>
> Oh please. How many "Sore/Loserman" comments were there at the end of
> 2001?
I hear more about how Gore "really won" that elelction now than ever before
(other than immediately after). Hell, watch PMSNBC and it's either that or
Scooter Libby, 24/7.
>>> Note that
>>> Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same
>>> mindset.
>>
>>> Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as
>>> the Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
>>
>> Horseshit. If they could discredit the 2004 elelction by any means
>> whatsoever, they would do it.
>>
>> You keep forgetting: the SHADOW GOVERNMENT! (Why else did they
>> wait till well after the 2006 elections to indict William
>> Jeffererson, D LA, for crimes committed -- on tape -- in 2004 and
>> even earlier?!?)
>
> Got to stop listening to so much talk radio or Faux News, or whatever
> you get your wacko ideas from - they are more out there than Bill
> Baka's 50-mph kiddie tricycle ride.
You don't think the press "cooperated" in Macaca, Foley, Libby, etc. while
all but completely ignoring Berger, Jefferson, and now Feinstein?!? (Her
husband made millions fron defense contracts while she sat on the
Appropriations Committee, and NO ONE says a word about it. Do you honestly
think they'd ignore a Republican doing that?!?)
Get real. (Not faux.)
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:15:48
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
> ...
> >This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>
> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of this
> is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee hearings,
> panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only outrage seems to come
> from the fringes.
Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
"structural" disadvantages.
The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who revisits
the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it" retort. Note that
Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same mindset.
Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as the
Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 22:01:34
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:15:48 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> ...
>> >This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>>
>> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of this
>> is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee hearings,
>> panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only outrage seems to come
>> from the fringes.
>
>Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
>"structural" disadvantages.
Ohio Dems elected in 2006 were on a "voter fraud outrage" platform?
That is one hell of a stretch. Further, it would mean that
dissatisfaction with the Bush administration (the published reason for
most all other Dem election success) had nothing to do with it.
>The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who revisits
>the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it" retort.
Risible statement. The fringe (or otherwise) are afraid to talk about
voter fraud. Please...
>Note that Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same mindset.
Wow! Where did you get the idea you could read minds?
>Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as the
>Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:13:48
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 16, 12:59 pm, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:21:47 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> ...
>>> This is likely only the tip of the iceberg.
>>
>> Rather than go through point by point, here's why I think most of
>> this is bs, Dems are in charge of both houses, why no committee
>> hearings, panels and other inquisitions? In fact, the only outrage
>> seems to come from the fringes.
>
> Enough outrage in Ohio to elect Democrats in 2006, despite the
> "structural" disadvantages.
>
> The mainstream media and pundits would ridicule anyone who revisits
> the earlier elections, with the stupid "get over it" retort.
You've GOT to be kidding.
> Note that
> Brickston uses the term "fringes", indicating he has the same mindset.
>
> Many Democrats feed from the same campaign contribution trough as the
> Republicans. - "As long as I get mine, I won't rock the boat".
Horseshit. If they could discredit the 2004 elelction by any means
whatsoever, they would do it.
You keep forgetting: the SHADOW GOVERNMENT! (Why else did they wait till
well after the 2006 elections to indict William Jeffererson, D LA, for
crimes committed -- on tape -- in 2004 and even earlier?!?)
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 19:51:34
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 14, 7:30 am, Peter Cole wrote:
> carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > Dear Andres,
>
> > I think that calling Senator Joe Lieberman Jew Lieberman speaks for
> > itself.
>
> I've got to agree with this.
>
> I'd consider myself anti-Zionist, but that hardly means anti-semitic. I
> think the above name-calling steps over the line.
See <http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 21:28:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1181875894.619588.304310@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 14, 7:30 am, Peter Cole wrote:
>> carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Andres,
>>
>> > I think that calling Senator Joe Lieberman Jew Lieberman speaks for
>> > itself.
>>
>> I've got to agree with this.
>>
>> I'd consider myself anti-Zionist, but that hardly means anti-semitic. I
>> think the above name-calling steps over the line.
>
> See <http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/>.
Hey Tom, nobody but nobody is ever going to go to one of your links. This is
Usenet, not a scholarly forum at some academic institution. If you want to
make a point, then say it in your own words. I am all ears and will know how
to rebut whatever you have to say. Since you are a dyed-in-the-wool liberal
it follows that you can never be correct about anything.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 12:17:00
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 14, 10:01 am, "Bob in CT" <ctvigge...@comcast.net > wrote:
> You mean like the UN said (or at least agreed with) that Iraq had weapons
> of mass destruction?
You mean that you don't think our Intelligence is any better?
You don't think that our USE of faulty intelligence is any more
appropriate, honest, and above-board than it was?
You don't think that we are more secure than before 9/11 -- than
before we invaded Iraq?
You don't think we're winning in Iraq?
You don't think we're winning in Afghanistan??
You don't think that we're fighting them over there so that we don't
have to fight them over here?
You don't think that they hate us for our freedom?
Shocked, I am.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 19:18:55
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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<neil0502@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1181848620.508670.174410@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 14, 10:01 am, "Bob in CT" <ctvigge...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> You mean like the UN said (or at least agreed with) that Iraq had weapons
>> of mass destruction?
>
> You mean that you don't think our Intelligence is any better?
Nope, why should it be? We are all idiots just like you are.
> You don't think that our USE of faulty intelligence is any more
> appropriate, honest, and above-board than it was?
Hey, we only know what we know!
> You don't think that we are more secure than before 9/11 -- than
> before we invaded Iraq?
Only a Muslim atom bomb dropped somewhere in the US would ever convince you
otherwise - right?
> You don't think we're winning in Iraq?
We already won. The old regime is gone! Long live the new regime! An
insurgency is not the same thing as a war.
> You don't think we're winning in Afghanistan??
An easy victory compared to all of the previous nations trying to conquer
that land. An insurgency is not the same thing as a war.
> You don't think that we're fighting them over there so that we don't
> have to fight them over here?
Let us hope a Muslim atom bomb goes off on your stupid head to prove it.
> You don't think that they hate us for our freedom?
Well, yes they do. That is incontrovertible.
> Shocked, I am.
You mean you do not want to return to the Dark Ages like the Muslims do?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 08:01:13
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 14, 8:23 am, Carl Riehm <r...@math.mcmaster.ca > wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
> > dgk wrote:
>
> >> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
> >> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
> >> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>
> > None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead are
> > going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog blather...
>
> > (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border, that's
> > been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND the
> > Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>
> It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like Bill
> Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran supplying
> arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the USA has invaded
> that country, thousands of miles away, for no good reason, causing
> hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to come when they pull out.
What is sad about the whole thing is that the government makes
decisions without consulting people with expertise about culture,
history, past, etc. Then they act surprise when there is anti-american
sentiment. Also, they declare things that if you know anything about
the culture you know that it is a lie. But, if you are gullible, you
buy into it. For example, a senior official declared that there is
evidence that Iran is supplying guns to the Taliban. this is
borderline absurd. Of course, the senior official is not educated
enough, nor he cares to understand the differences between Iran and
the Taliban. They just make a statement and hope the americans who
love Budwiser would beleive it and that is it. To most Americans,
Iran, Iraq, the Taliban and afganistan are the same thing. they don't
give a hoot as to the differences. As long as we can keep drinking bud
light, who cares what the white house tells us. All we worry about is
when the government says that we need to bomb Iran, or they'll take
our miller away.
Andres
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:40:37
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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<andresmuro@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1181833273.328471.163190@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 14, 8:23 am, Carl Riehm <r...@math.mcmaster.ca> wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> > dgk wrote:
>>
>> >> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
>> >> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
>> >> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>>
>> > None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead
>> > are
>> > going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog
>> > blather...
>>
>> > (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border,
>> > that's
>> > been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency
>> > AND the
>> > Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>>
>> It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like Bill
>> Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran supplying
>> arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the USA has invaded
>> that country, thousands of miles away, for no good reason, causing
>> hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to come when they pull out.
>
> What is sad about the whole thing is that the government makes
> decisions without consulting people with expertise about culture,
> history, past, etc. Then they act surprise when there is anti-american
> sentiment. Also, they declare things that if you know anything about
> the culture you know that it is a lie. But, if you are gullible, you
> buy into it. For example, a senior official declared that there is
> evidence that Iran is supplying guns to the Taliban. this is
> borderline absurd. Of course, the senior official is not educated
> enough, nor he cares to understand the differences between Iran and
> the Taliban. They just make a statement and hope the americans who
> love Budwiser would beleive it and that is it. To most Americans,
> Iran, Iraq, the Taliban and afganistan are the same thing. they don't
> give a hoot as to the differences. As long as we can keep drinking bud
> light, who cares what the white house tells us. All we worry about is
> when the government says that we need to bomb Iran, or they'll take
> our miller away.
>
> Andres
WOW! Andres is not only an idiot, but a TOTAL idiot. This is rare and needs
to be called to the attention of these cycling newsgroups.
Hey, Andres, stop with the beer already. It is making you even more of an
idiot than you actually are. I recommend vino as it is an altogether more
civilized drink.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 18:26:03
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:01:13 -0700, "andresmuro@aol.com"
<andresmuro@aol.com > wrote:
>What is sad about the whole thing is that the government makes
>decisions without consulting people with expertise about culture,
>history, past, etc. Then they act surprise when there is anti-american
>sentiment. Also, they declare things that if you know anything about
>the culture you know that it is a lie. But, if you are gullible, you
>buy into it. For example, a senior official declared that there is
>evidence that Iran is supplying guns to the Taliban. this is
>borderline absurd. Of course, the senior official is not educated
>enough, nor he cares to understand the differences between Iran and
>the Taliban. They just make a statement and hope the americans who
>love Budwiser would beleive it and that is it. To most Americans,
>Iran, Iraq, the Taliban and afganistan are the same thing. they don't
>give a hoot as to the differences. As long as we can keep drinking bud
>light, who cares what the white house tells us. All we worry about is
>when the government says that we need to bomb Iran, or they'll take
>our miller away.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/doug-feiths-arabic-problem/
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 10:23:57
From: Carl Riehm
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
> dgk wrote:
>>
>> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
>> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
>> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>
> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead are
> going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog blather...
>
> (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border, that's
> been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND the
> Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>
It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like Bill
Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran supplying
arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the USA has invaded
that country, thousands of miles away, for no good reason, causing
hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to come when they pull out.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:31:19
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Carl Riehm" <riehm@math.mcmaster.ca > wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0706141016570.16959@mathserv.math.mcmaster.ca...
>
>
>
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
>
>> dgk wrote:
>>>
>>> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
>>> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
>>> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>>
>> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead
>> are
>> going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog
>> blather...
>>
>> (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border,
>> that's
>> been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND
>> the
>> Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>>
>
> It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like Bill
> Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran supplying
> arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the USA has invaded
> that country, thousands of miles away, for no good reason, causing
> hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to come when they pull out.
It is always highly amusing to see what liberals think to justify evil in
the world. I can only hope that the freaking Muslims will blow the freaking
liberals all to kingdom come, the sooner the better.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 06:50:43
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 8:15 am, R Brickston wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>
> >>On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>
> >>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> >...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
> >>> >Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
> >>> >purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
> >>> >with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>
> >>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
> >>> have revealed?
>
> >>The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
> >>a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>
> >>Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
> >>Gore by 171
> >>Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
> >>Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
> >>One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>
> >>This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
> >>precincts known to favor democrats.
>
> >1. What is meant by review?
>
> >2. What is the margin of error?
>
> Forget it, I did my own research; after reading a report by one of the
> eight news agencies that commissioned the study, I'm baffled how you
> come to an opposite conclusion:
>
> Florida recount study: Bush Still Wins
>
> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential
> election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had
> allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate
> George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
>
> The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of
> Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news
> media companies, including CNN.
>
> Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in
> heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
> counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
> additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
> 225-vote margin statewide.
>
> http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
Why Gore only wanted a partial recount is a mystery, but has no
relevance to the way people actually INTENDED to vote. The full state
recount IS relevant to the voters' intentions.
This still ignores the Harris/Choicepoint purges of eligible voters.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:43:25
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:50:43 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jun 16, 8:15 am, R Brickston wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>
>> >>On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>>
>> >>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>> >...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
>> >>> >Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
>> >>> >purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
>> >>> >with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>>
>> >>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
>> >>> have revealed?
>>
>> >>The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
>> >>a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>>
>> >>Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
>> >>Gore by 171
>> >>Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
>> >>Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
>> >>One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>>
>> >>This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
>> >>precincts known to favor democrats.
>>
>> >1. What is meant by review?
>>
>> >2. What is the margin of error?
>>
>> Forget it, I did my own research; after reading a report by one of the
>> eight news agencies that commissioned the study, I'm baffled how you
>> come to an opposite conclusion:
>>
>> Florida recount study: Bush Still Wins
>>
>> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential
>> election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had
>> allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate
>> George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
>>
>> The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of
>> Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news
>> media companies, including CNN.
>>
>> Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in
>> heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
>> counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
>> additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
>> 225-vote margin statewide.
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
>
>Why Gore only wanted a partial recount is a mystery, but has no
>relevance to the way people actually INTENDED to vote. The full state
>recount IS relevant to the voters' intentions.
Intention is not counted and statewide, one would think that a similar
number of unintended votes for Dems were made by mistake.
>
>This still ignores the Harris/Choicepoint purges of eligible voters.
Unfortunately, is too late for recourse. How did Bush pull off 2004?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 09:17:34
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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R Brickston wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:50:43 -0700, Johnny Sunset
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 16, 8:15 am, R Brickston wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>>>
>>>>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have
>>>>>>> shown Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and
>>>>>>> Choicepoint purged thousands of voters that should have been
>>>>>>> eligible. Same story with the Blackwell purges and other
>>>>>>> machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>>>
>>>>>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount
>>>>>> would have revealed?
>>>
>>>>> The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago
>>>>> did a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following
>>>>> results:
>>>
>>>>> Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their
>>>>> survey - Gore by 171
>>>>> Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore
>>>>> by 115 Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
>>>>> One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>>>
>>>>> This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the
>>>>> vote in precincts known to favor democrats.
>>>
>>>> 1. What is meant by review?
>>>
>>>> 2. What is the margin of error?
>>>
>>> Forget it, I did my own research; after reading a report by one of
>>> the eight news agencies that commissioned the study, I'm baffled
>>> how you come to an opposite conclusion:
>>>
>>> Florida recount study: Bush Still Wins
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential
>>> election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had
>>> allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate
>>> George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
>>>
>>> The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of
>>> Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news
>>> media companies, including CNN.
>>>
>>> Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in
>>> heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
>>> counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
>>> additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
>>> 225-vote margin statewide.
>>>
>>> http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
>>
>> Why Gore only wanted a partial recount is a mystery, but has no
>> relevance to the way people actually INTENDED to vote. The full state
>> recount IS relevant to the voters' intentions.
>
> Intention is not counted and statewide, one would think that a similar
> number of unintended votes for Dems were made by mistake.
>
>>
>> This still ignores the Harris/Choicepoint purges of eligible voters.
>
> Unfortunately, is too late for recourse. How did Bush pull off 2004?
Absolute imbecile for an opponent. Unpopular war, major network forging
docs to defeat him (a month before the election!), total mainstream press
opposition (with resulting slanted "news coverage"), and yet he still won
with the most votes of any candidate in history. Only possible explanation:
Kerry is an incredible boob. LOL
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 02:12:55
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Neil Immerman's web site:
===================================================================
an excerpt:
# In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire
# that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications
# director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to
# Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told
# me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which
# I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.
# The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the
# reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe
# that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible
# reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment
# principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the
# world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now,
# and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're
# studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act
# again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and
# that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors... and
# you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.
--
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 02:01:23
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Another perspective:
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Dollar down, time to buy real estate in San Francisco Bay Area
playground of the rich! London, Paris, it's all good!
Published on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 by The Nation Wall Street, Iraq
and the Declining Dollar by Ken Miller
The disastrous impact on the economy of George W. Bush's response to
the attacks of September 2001 is still being measured. On Friday of
last week the Bush Administration announced that it would not
renominate Gen. Peter Pace as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The Administration's decision to throw a loyal supporter overboard
avoids a messy confirmation hearing that would have further focused a
war-weary nation's attention on the past. But sometimes looking
backward can help us anticipate the future.
In February of this year, Rep. Henry Waxman's Committee on Oversight
and Government Reform revealed fresh details of how the Coalition
Provisional Authority dumped $12 billion in cash-in $100 bills-into
Iraq in 2004. Multiple flights of huge C-130 transport planes were
required to deliver 363 tons of greenbacks-a modest portion of the
$510 billion we have spent so far in Iraq and Afghanistan. By certain
measures, this may not be America's most expensive war. But the worst
economic effects are yet to come.
No matter how the Iraq War ends, it is clear that the United States is
incapable of militarily securing territory against the wishes of a
hostile population. And the Iraq War is at the heart of two alarming
trends that are likely to have a negative impact on America's position
in the world: The demand for oil is rising while the supply is
declining, and the demand for the US dollar is declining while the
supply of dollars is rising.
In the four years since the toppling of Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi
oilfields and associated infrastructure have sustained 400 attacks.
And because of the situation on the ground, Iraqi oil production, at
1.95 barrels per day during the first quarter of 2007, was far short
of the government's goal of 2.5 million barrels per day and the
previous peak of 3.7 million under Saddam. In this asymmetrical war,
our enemies are spending a fraction of our costs on improvised
explosive devices, chlorine gas and suicide bombers, while we invest
heavily in noneffective weapons systems and force structures.
US oil and gas production peaked in the early '70s, and we are now by
far the world's largest energy importer. The largest oilfields in
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, Syria, Yemen and Oman are in decline, as
are most oilfields in the former Soviet Union, Canada, Central and
South America, and on-shore Africa. New fields will be discovered and
new technologies brought to bear, but costs of production will be
higher than in the past and will require more expensive investments in
equipment and technology.
Even as existing fields age, the new economies of India and China
require more and more oil to fuel their impressive growth. Although a
worldwide depression might result in a temporary drop in the price of
oil and other commodities, the long-term imbalance between growing
demand and declining supply will eventually reassert itself, creating
price increases over time.
Contemporaneously with the supply/demand imbalance in oil and other
hard commodities, the Bush Administration's response to 9/11 has
weakened the position of the dollar in the world. The President's
request that Americans continue to spend has struck an
all-too-sympathetic chord with the American people. The trade
deficits caused by that spending have created a current account
deficit equal to 6.2 percent of GDP, sending trillions of dollars into
the hands of foreigners.
While we continue to import goods of much greater value than those we
export, thus flooding the world with dollars, Bush has pursued a
policy of what some have dubbed "military Keynesianism"-that is, the
combination of low taxes and high military expenditures. This dynamic
forces the Federal Reserve to print money and foster easy credit
policies, which will eventually result in higher interest rates,
inflation or both.
So the printing presses are spewing out more dollars, which are being
collected by China, Japan and others. And those countries are showing
signs of concern that they have too much of their foreign exchange
reserves tied up in our currency. Likewise, certain other nations are
evidencing a declining interest in accepting the dollar as a medium of
exchange. It was in October 2000 that Saddam insisted that Iraq's oil
be paid for in euros. But now Russia wants payment for the energy it
exports in rubles. Venezuela and Iran insist on euros. Kuwait has
recently unpegged its dinar from the dollar in favor of a basket of
currencies.
The dollar has indeed shown symptoms of its decline in popularity
during the Bush years. The dollar has weakened against the euro,
gold, copper and other hard assets and currencies. When Bush came in
to office, for example, you could get .987 euros for every dollar.
Now you can only get .75. You could say that at $65 per barrel, oil
is getting more valuable... or you could say the value of the dollar
has declined as measured by oil.
Mainstream economists seem to agree that best-case, the dollar will
continue a stately decline, but in a world where the United States has
lost so much respect, where we continue to flood the world with
dollars and borrow to finance our consumer habit, we could find that
one of those sharp, depression-inducing discontinuities occurs-like,
say, a run on the dollar.
We are continuing to import 60 percent of the 20.6 million barrels of
oil we use daily. And though the size and stability of our economy is
likely to insure a demand for the dollar at some level, oil that
anyone can buy for hard currency may be getting scarcer. Governments
have begun to do deals aimed at taking oil off the market for their
own account-deals like the ones China has done with Angola, Brazil,
Iran, Nigeria, Venezuela and Sudan. South Korea has just announced it
will follow suit.
If our military cannot secure oil by force, and if oil is destined to
cost us more and more of a declining currency to buy what is
available, then "brand USA" is in trouble. When Bush leaves office,
this country will have to begin the difficult task of reversing some
very bad trends in the military, fiscal, monetary and energy areas.
The pollution of his legacy transcends mere politics.
Ken Miller is chairman and CEO of Ken Miller Capital LLC in New York.
=C2=A9 2007 The Nation
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 08:15:33
From: dgk
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On 15 Jun 2007 02:01:23 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>Another perspective:
>======================================================================
>Dollar down, time to buy real estate in San Francisco Bay Area
>playground of the rich! London, Paris, it's all good!
>
> Published on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 by The Nation Wall Street, Iraq
>and the Declining Dollar by Ken Miller
>
>The disastrous impact on the economy of George W. Bush's response to
>the attacks of September 2001 is still being measured. On Friday of
>last week the Bush Administration announced that it would not
>renominate Gen. Peter Pace as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
...
>
>If our military cannot secure oil by force, and if oil is destined to
>cost us more and more of a declining currency to buy what is
>available, then "brand USA" is in trouble. When Bush leaves office,
>this country will have to begin the difficult task of reversing some
>very bad trends in the military, fiscal, monetary and energy areas.
>The pollution of his legacy transcends mere politics.
>
>Ken Miller is chairman and CEO of Ken Miller Capital LLC in New York.
>
>© 2007 The Nation
Thanks for the quote. I don't read the Wall Street Journal much so I
would have missed it.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 17:06:30
From: walleyeangler
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Pray Jesus, save me from your followers
--
walleyeangler
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 09:40:27
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Carl Riehm wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
>
>> dgk wrote:
>>>
>>> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist.
>>> He's the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really
>>> sad part is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction
>>> of Israel.
>>
>> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and
>> instead are going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well
>> be blog blather... (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the
>> Iran/Iraq border,
>> that's been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the
>> insurgency AND the Taliban. Only in your world view would it be
>> "fascist" to respond.)
>
> It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like Bill
> Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran
> supplying arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the USA
> has invaded that country, thousands of miles away, for no good
> reason, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to come
> when they pull out.
Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the Taliban. I
thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says. LOL My bad.
Enjoy your ostrichnesshood...
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 05:49:20
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 17, 6:43 am, R Brickston wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:27:59 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
> >Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >> As a pre-schooler, I exceeded the speed on which I could keep my feet
> >> on the pedals of my trike while going downhill. Based on my estimates
> >> of the drive wheel diameter [1] and maximum possible cadence, I was
> >> probably going 8-10 mph.
>
> >> [1] This was of course, a front-wheel-direct-drive, moving bottom
> >> bracket, upright delta trike.
>
> >I found a picture of me on that bike at about 4 years old and I don't
> >think you could possibly pedal a wheel that small more than 5 MPH.
> >What I really remember was the thought that the pedals were going so
> >fast I would probably break a leg if I tried to get my feet back on the
> >pedals. To actually get wind in the face on a tricycle does count as an
> >accomplishment, even if it was only at about 20 MPH.
> >They didn't have cyclo-computers for tricycles back then, and even if
> >they did, they would have had to use tubes. The computer would have
> >weighed more than me and the bike, and then there's the battery problem.
Mechanical speedometer/odometers were available.
> Next time anyone coasts down a hill, do about 20 MPH and try and
> imagine a 4 year old on a tricycle alongside you. I'm guessing that
> little Billy was doing maybe 8-10 MPH and he wet his pants.
My memory indicates that the 8-10 mph did feel like 50 mph, since
kiddie trikes are/were not designed for anything but use on relatively
flat ground.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 18:49:42
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> On Jun 17, 6:43 am, R Brickston wrote:
>
> Mechanical speedometer/odometers were available.
What 4 year old would even think of a speedometer on a tricycle?
>
>> Next time anyone coasts down a hill, do about 20 MPH and try and
>> imagine a 4 year old on a tricycle alongside you. I'm guessing that
>> little Billy was doing maybe 8-10 MPH and he wet his pants.
Yeah, right. I wanted to do it again but the cop had other plans.
>
> My memory indicates that the 8-10 mph did feel like 50 mph, since
> kiddie trikes are/were not designed for anything but use on relatively
> flat ground.
Correct there, and they had hard rubber tires, at least on the one I had
and still have a picture of. It said "puncture proof" which pretty well
means no tube. That also meant little rolling resistance so if my car
with tire resistance coasted to 25 MPH, then I might have made 20 on the
trike. I managed to kill file Brickston but not the absurd posts this
clown wastes space with.
Bill Baka
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
>
>
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 03:37:03
From: RBrickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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In article <5xldi.4734$c06.1140@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net >,
bbaka@comcast.net says...
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 6:43 am, R Brickston wrote:
> >
> > Mechanical speedometer/odometers were available.
>
> What 4 year old would even think of a speedometer on a tricycle?
> >
> >> Next time anyone coasts down a hill, do about 20 MPH and try and
> >> imagine a 4 year old on a tricycle alongside you. I'm guessing that
> >> little Billy was doing maybe 8-10 MPH and he wet his pants.
>
> Yeah, right. I wanted to do it again but the cop had other plans.
Like getting Billy's diapers changed.
> >
> > My memory indicates that the 8-10 mph did feel like 50 mph, since
> > kiddie trikes are/were not designed for anything but use on relatively
> > flat ground.
>
> Correct there, and they had hard rubber tires, at least on the one I had
> and still have a picture of. It said "puncture proof" which pretty well
> means no tube. That also meant little rolling resistance so if my car
> with tire resistance coasted to 25 MPH, then I might have made 20 on the
> trike. I managed to kill file Brickston but not the absurd posts this
> clown wastes space with.
> Bill Baka
Right, Baka posts are not absurd.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 02:23:54
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Bill Sornson writes:
>>>> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist.
>>>> He's the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really
>>>> sad part is that bombing Iran will likely result in the
>>>> destruction of Israel.
>>> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and
>>> instead are going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as
>>> well be blog blather... (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close
>>> to the Iran/Iraq border, that's been proven to be supplying both
>>> arms and men to both the insurgency AND the Taliban. Only in your
>>> world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>> It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like
>> Bill Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about
>> Iran supplying arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while
>> the USA has invaded that country, thousands of miles away, for no
>> good reason, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more
>> to come when they pull out.
> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the
> Taliban. I thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says. LOL
> My bad.
> Enjoy your ostrichnesshood...
Speak for yourself. You seem to be swimming against a mighty current,
relying on flag waving believers in classic USA hubris. Look at the
big picture: How many lies got us into war with Iraq, the reasons
morphed as each of the reasons turned out to be without basis and
false. Nation building has also faded into the brave new world. We
are repeatedly told that, in effect, "there is light at the end of the
tunnel", but these words are not used to fool those who don't see the
folly of the US path.
I take it you don't give a damn what the rest of the world, especially
our allies and trading partners, think of our war, and the illegal
means that were used to move it through our legislature.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 20:14:36
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org > wrote in message
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[...]
> Speak for yourself. You seem to be swimming against a mighty current,
> relying on flag waving believers in classic USA hubris. Look at the
> big picture: How many lies got us into war with Iraq, the reasons
> morphed as each of the reasons turned out to be without basis and
> false. Nation building has also faded into the brave new world. We
> are repeatedly told that, in effect, "there is light at the end of the
> tunnel", but these words are not used to fool those who don't see the
> folly of the US path.
>
> I take it you don't give a damn what the rest of the world, especially
> our allies and trading partners, think of our war, and the illegal
> means that were used to move it through our legislature.
WOW, you have really hit the nail on the head! Nope, I sure don't give a
good god damn what any other nation in the world thinks about us. For
Christ's sakes - 2 world wars in Europe in the last century and we should
give a damn what THEY think of us?
Tell me, Jobst Brandt, how did you get to be so stupid? Where you born that
way or did you have to work at it. You appear to have a fucking Dutch name,
so maybe you belong in Amsterdam along with all that other liberal human
scum that exists there. Well, we can't all be Irish like ME!
If the Muslims do not want democracy, then to hell with them. Let them stew
in their medieval religion for all eternity, but if and when they want to
engage us, then I say kill the brutes - kill all of them. They are savages
and that is how we should treat them.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 17:14:33
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 20, 6:57 am, "still me" wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
> >I must admit I do enjoy playing the Devil's advocate - anything to stir up
> >these slumbering cycling newsgroups.,
>
> I don't think it's Devil's advocate you play at. I hope your childish
> posts amuse you.
>
> I'd suggest that going out and dating women would be more exciting and
> might install some sense of reality in your life. Of course, that
> would be assuming that you can participate in real life as opposed to
> posting anonymously behind this fantasy persona you invented.
That would require laying off the Red Rose and taking a shower (ask
E.D. about his personal hygiene habits). Of course, E.D. is at the age
where women significantly outnumber men.
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 12:35:50
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> On Jun 20, 6:57 am, "still me" wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:58:52 -0500, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>> >I must admit I do enjoy playing the Devil's advocate - anything to stir
>> >up
>> >these slumbering cycling newsgroups.,
>>
>> I don't think it's Devil's advocate you play at. I hope your childish
>> posts amuse you.
>>
>> I'd suggest that going out and dating women would be more exciting and
>> might install some sense of reality in your life. Of course, that
>> would be assuming that you can participate in real life as opposed to
>> posting anonymously behind this fantasy persona you invented.
>
> That would require laying off the Red Rose and taking a shower (ask
> E.D. about his personal hygiene habits). Of course, E.D. is at the age
> where women significantly outnumber men.
Some cyclists are so stupid as to think they must bath every day after a
long bike ride. They blather on and on about hot showers as if that could
ever cure what ails them. The only "dirt" one acquires in the course of a
day of cycling is lots and lots of sweat. Yes, you can wash this off at the
end of the day, and you will be covered in sweat 15 minutes from beginning
your ride the next day. Apparently, according to the hot shower school of
cyclist, we should be taking hot showers every 15 minutes! Yea, that is just
how dumb they are!
The Tibetans only bath once or twice a year and cover themselves in yak fat
for most of the year. I leave it to Mr. Sherman to draw some conclusions
from this fact if it won't strain his civil engineering brain too much.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 21:28:53
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:14:33 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
> E.D. is at the age
>where women significantly outnumber men.
Are you sure? He writes like a teenager who has good grammar skills
and not much other knowledge.
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 12:39:00
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:14:33 -0700, Johnny Sunset
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> E.D. is at the age
>>where women significantly outnumber men.
>
> Are you sure? He writes like a teenager who has good grammar skills
> and not much other knowledge.
JFT is the kind of fool who is only impressed if you parade a million facts
before him. That way, he will think that you know something.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 18:30:58
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:40:27 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the Taliban. I
>thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says.
Sorni, are you suggesting that because Iran is strongly alledged to be
violating international law they should be bombed? If so, think about
it a little more carefully. That's like looking at some bad-looking
dude who you think did serious crimes in your town and deciding to
kill or torture him and then lock him up indefinitely w/o any sort of
trial. Oh wait, that's the sort of thing you believe in...
OK, think about this -- are you saying that any country that violates
international law should be bombed? What about a country that, say,
has it's agents kidnap people around the world and send them to a
third country to be tortured? What about that?
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 19:24:54
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:40:27 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
> wrote:
>
>>Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the Taliban. I
>>thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says.
>
> Sorni, are you suggesting that because Iran is strongly alledged to be
> violating international law they should be bombed? If so, think about
> it a little more carefully. That's like looking at some bad-looking
> dude who you think did serious crimes in your town and deciding to
> kill or torture him and then lock him up indefinitely w/o any sort of
> trial. Oh wait, that's the sort of thing you believe in...
>
> OK, think about this -- are you saying that any country that violates
> international law should be bombed? What about a country that, say,
> has it's agents kidnap people around the world and send them to a
> third country to be tortured? What about that?
Iran should not only be bombed, but it should be bombed with nuclear
weapons. This would serve notice on the entire Muslim world not to fuck with
the US.
Now you know why I am revered as Ed Dolan the Great. I am also a Great Saint
known far and wide as Saint Edward the Great.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 02:59:53
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the
>> Taliban. I thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says.
> Sorni, are you suggesting that because Iran is strongly alleged to
> be violating international law they should be bombed? If so, think
> about it a little more carefully. That's like looking at some
> bad-looking dude who you think did serious crimes in your town and
> deciding to kill or torture him and then lock him up indefinitely
> w/o any sort of trial. Oh wait, that's the sort of thing you believe
> in...
> OK, think about this -- are you saying that any country that
> violates international law should be bombed? What about a country
> that, say, has it's agents kidnap people around the world and send
> them to a third country to be tortured? What about that?
Hey! We were raised on "John Wayne justice" in years of westerns
where that was the way it was proper. No wonder some viewers of these
fables believe in the method. We are a nation that glorifies
criminals and ruffians. Just look at the names of many of the
professional sports teams that are a religion to many of the best flag
wavers (Outlaws, Pirates, Renegades...). The World Series!
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 12:30:19
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 17, 2:18 pm, Bill Sornson aka Sorni wrote:
> ...
> Boy, for a "computer expert" Bill [Baka] sure seems to have trouble doing the
> simplest things (plonking a poster, posting a pic, picking a nose...
One wonders how Sorni knows about the last item.
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 21:28:50
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>
>>> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the
>>> Taliban. I thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says.
>
>> Sorni, are you suggesting that because Iran is strongly alleged to
>> be violating international law they should be bombed? If so, think
>> about it a little more carefully. That's like looking at some
>> bad-looking dude who you think did serious crimes in your town and
>> deciding to kill or torture him and then lock him up indefinitely
>> w/o any sort of trial. Oh wait, that's the sort of thing you believe
>> in...
>
>> OK, think about this -- are you saying that any country that
>> violates international law should be bombed? What about a country
>> that, say, has it's agents kidnap people around the world and send
>> them to a third country to be tortured? What about that?
>
> Hey! We were raised on "John Wayne justice" in years of westerns
> where that was the way it was proper. No wonder some viewers of these
> fables believe in the method. We are a nation that glorifies
> criminals and ruffians. Just look at the names of many of the
> professional sports teams that are a religion to many of the best flag
> wavers (Outlaws, Pirates, Renegades...). The World Series!
>
> Jobst Brandt
Shit, man.
We aren't the only country breaking the Geneva conference laws.
However, any religious group that films themselves hacking off a live
guys head and displaying it on his corpse is a good candidate for us and
Russia to lob over some 50 Megaton 'eradicators' just for weapons
testing purposes, right?
This war is not going away unless we make all the Muslim/Islamics go
away, and a few big booms from air burst H-bombs will make little
radiation, but lots of glass we can make things from.
Suicide that, fanatical Islamics.
Bill Baka
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 19:29:38
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Bill" <bill@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:7Aoci.19411$C96.14068@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
> jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>> John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>>
>>>> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the
>>>> Taliban. I thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says.
>>
>>> Sorni, are you suggesting that because Iran is strongly alleged to
>>> be violating international law they should be bombed? If so, think
>>> about it a little more carefully. That's like looking at some
>>> bad-looking dude who you think did serious crimes in your town and
>>> deciding to kill or torture him and then lock him up indefinitely
>>> w/o any sort of trial. Oh wait, that's the sort of thing you believe
>>> in...
>>
>>> OK, think about this -- are you saying that any country that
>>> violates international law should be bombed? What about a country
>>> that, say, has it's agents kidnap people around the world and send
>>> them to a third country to be tortured? What about that?
>>
>> Hey! We were raised on "John Wayne justice" in years of westerns
>> where that was the way it was proper. No wonder some viewers of these
>> fables believe in the method. We are a nation that glorifies
>> criminals and ruffians. Just look at the names of many of the
>> professional sports teams that are a religion to many of the best flag
>> wavers (Outlaws, Pirates, Renegades...). The World Series!
>>
>> Jobst Brandt
>
> Shit, man.
> We aren't the only country breaking the Geneva conference laws.
> However, any religious group that films themselves hacking off a live guys
> head and displaying it on his corpse is a good candidate for us and Russia
> to lob over some 50 Megaton 'eradicators' just for weapons testing
> purposes, right?
> This war is not going away unless we make all the Muslim/Islamics go away,
> and a few big booms from air burst H-bombs will make little radiation, but
> lots of glass we can make things from.
> Suicide that, fanatical Islamics.
> Bill Baka
Old Bill Baka has got the right idea here. He is a kindred sprit to Ed Dolan
after all. Yea, nuke the g.d. Muslim stupid bastards all the way to hell and
back!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 18:14:39
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:40:27 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the Taliban. I
>thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says. LOL My bad.
Bill,
What are your sources of news?
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 13:01:43
From: Bob in CT
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:40:27 -0400, Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me > wrote:
> Carl Riehm wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
>>
>>> dgk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist.
>>>> He's the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really
>>>> sad part is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction
>>>> of Israel.
>>>
>>> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and
>>> instead are going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well
>>> be blog blather... (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the
>>> Iran/Iraq border,
>>> that's been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the
>>> insurgency AND the Taliban. Only in your world view would it be
>>> "fascist" to respond.)
>>
>> It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like Bill
>> Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran
>> supplying arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the USA
>> has invaded that country, thousands of miles away, for no good
>> reason, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to come
>> when they pull out.
>
> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the Taliban.
> I
> thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says. LOL My bad.
>
> Enjoy your ostrichnesshood...
>
>
You mean like the UN said (or at least agreed with) that Iraq had weapons
of mass destruction?
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 10:25:43
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Bob in CT wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:40:27 -0400, Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me> wrote:
>
>> Carl Riehm wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>
>>>> dgk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist.
>>>>> He's the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really
>>>>> sad part is that bombing Iran will likely result in the
>>>>> destruction of Israel.
>>>>
>>>> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and
>>>> instead are going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well
>>>> be blog blather... (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to
>>>> the Iran/Iraq border,
>>>> that's been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the
>>>> insurgency AND the Taliban. Only in your world view would it be
>>>> "fascist" to respond.)
>>>
>>> It would be amusing, were it not so tragic, to see Americans like
>>> Bill Sornson thinking that there is something so terrible about Iran
>>> supplying arms to its neighbour and its coreligionists, while the
>>> USA has invaded that country, thousands of miles away, for no good
>>> reason, causing hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more to
>>> come when they pull out.
>>
>> Iran is violating International Law by aiding and abetting the
>> Taliban. I
>> thought you guys actually CARE what the U.N. says. LOL My bad.
>>
>> Enjoy your ostrichnesshood...
>>
>>
>
> You mean like the UN said (or at least agreed with) that Iraq had
> weapons of mass destruction?
Yes.
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 18:15:26
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:25:43 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>Bob in CT wrote:
>> You mean like the UN said (or at least agreed with) that Iraq had
>> weapons of mass destruction?
>
>Yes.
Bill, what are your sources of news of the world?
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 04:23:34
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:25:43 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob in CT wrote:
>
>>> You mean like the UN said (or at least agreed with) that Iraq had
>>> weapons of mass destruction?
>> Yes.
>
>
> Bill, what are your sources of news of the world?
>
His dreams, what else.
Bill Baka
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 01:19:11
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 13, 6:31 pm, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jun 13, 11:43 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > dgk wrote:
> > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> > >> On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
> > >>> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
> > >>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>
> > >>>> Donald Gillies wrote:
> > >>>>> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that
> > >>>>> any time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel
> > >>>>> - life is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the
> > >>>>> USA sucked into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east
> > >>>>> religious conflict.
>
> > >>>>> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion.
> > >>>>> They want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this
> > >>>>> country.
>
> > >>>> Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country
> > >>>> soon enough.
>
> > >>>> Get a clue.
>
> > >>> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about him.
>
> > >> There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
> > >> Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
>
> > > Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
> > > the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
> > > is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>
> > None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead are
> > going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog blather...
>
> > (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border, that's
> > been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND the
> > Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>
> Yo Sornson,
>
> The US has been supplying weapons and money to terrorist groups
> attacking Iran, not to mention incursions into Iran by US Special
> Forces. Double standard, anyone?
First law of US foreign policy: Do as We say, not as We do.
>
> Iran had a DEMOCRATIC and SECULAR government until the CIA supported a
> coup putting the brutal and authoritarian Shah Pahlavi back in power.
Second law of US foreign policy: free and democratic elections are
great unless and until they result in a government of which We
disapprove.
> The Shah's SAVAK security police arrested and tortured thousands of
> pro-democracy Iranians, with the complicity of US administrations from
> Eisenhower to Carter.
>
> If you don't like the current Iranian government, send your complaints
> to Allen Welsh Dulles.
>
> --
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:20:42
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1181783951.768719.282840@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Second law of US foreign policy: free and democratic elections are
> great unless and until they result in a government of which We
> disapprove.
Ozark is a fucking idiot of the first rank. Democracy is much more than mere
elections. It has to do with a whole range of institutions which are
essential. Only an idiot Dem like Ozark thinks elections are the be all and
end-all of democracy.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 16:33:39
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 13, 6:46 am, Aeek who? wrote:
> This would be because they're anti females riding bicycles?
I think it is due to a lack of context!!!
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 16:31:48
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 13, 11:43 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
> dgk wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> >> On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >>> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
> >>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>
> >>>> Donald Gillies wrote:
> >>>>> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that
> >>>>> any time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel
> >>>>> - life is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the
> >>>>> USA sucked into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east
> >>>>> religious conflict.
>
> >>>>> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion.
> >>>>> They want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this
> >>>>> country.
>
> >>>> Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country
> >>>> soon enough.
>
> >>>> Get a clue.
>
> >>> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about him.
>
> >> There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
> >> Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
>
> > Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
> > the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
> > is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>
> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead are
> going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog blather...
>
> (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border, that's
> been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND the
> Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
Yo Sornson,
The US has been supplying weapons and money to terrorist groups
attacking Iran, not to mention incursions into Iran by US Special
Forces. Double standard, anyone?
Iran had a DEMOCRATIC and SECULAR government until the CIA supported a
coup putting the brutal and authoritarian Shah Pahlavi back in power.
The Shah's SAVAK security police arrested and tortured thousands of
pro-democracy Iranians, with the complicity of US administrations from
Eisenhower to Carter.
If you don't like the current Iranian government, send your complaints
to Allen Welsh Dulles.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:12:31
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1181777508.918432.66860@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 13, 11:43 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> dgk wrote:
>> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
>> >>> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>> >>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Donald Gillies wrote:
>> >>>>> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that
>> >>>>> any time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel
>> >>>>> - life is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the
>> >>>>> USA sucked into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east
>> >>>>> religious conflict.
>>
>> >>>>> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion.
>> >>>>> They want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this
>> >>>>> country.
>>
>> >>>> Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country
>> >>>> soon enough.
>>
>> >>>> Get a clue.
>>
>> >>> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about him.
>>
>> >> There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
>> >> Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
>>
>> > Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
>> > the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
>> > is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>>
>> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead
>> are
>> going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog
>> blather...
>>
>> (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border,
>> that's
>> been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND
>> the
>> Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>
> Yo Sornson,
>
> The US has been supplying weapons and money to terrorist groups
> attacking Iran, not to mention incursions into Iran by US Special
> Forces. Double standard, anyone?
>
> Iran had a DEMOCRATIC and SECULAR government until the CIA supported a
> coup putting the brutal and authoritarian Shah Pahlavi back in power.
> The Shah's SAVAK security police arrested and tortured thousands of
> pro-democracy Iranians, with the complicity of US administrations from
> Eisenhower to Carter.
>
> If you don't like the current Iranian government, send your complaints
> to Allen Welsh Dulles.
That g.d. idiot Carter did not have brains enough to support the Shah. Now
we have a terrorist regime in Tehran which we will have to take out sooner
or later. Fuck Carter and all the Dems for not knowing anything about real
politick.
Dulles was a genius compared to any of the present resident Dems. If you
don't know how to kick ass, then you have no business being in government.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 09:03:18
From: dgk
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:31:48 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jun 13, 11:43 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> dgk wrote:
>> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>
>> >> On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
>> >>> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>> >>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Donald Gillies wrote:
>> >>>>> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that
>> >>>>> any time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel
>> >>>>> - life is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the
>> >>>>> USA sucked into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east
>> >>>>> religious conflict.
>>
>> >>>>> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion.
>> >>>>> They want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this
>> >>>>> country.
>>
>> >>>> Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country
>> >>>> soon enough.
>>
>> >>>> Get a clue.
>>
>> >>> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about him.
>>
>> >> There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
>> >> Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
>>
>> > Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
>> > the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
>> > is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>>
>> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead are
>> going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog blather...
>>
>> (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border, that's
>> been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND the
>> Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
>
>Yo Sornson,
>
>The US has been supplying weapons and money to terrorist groups
>attacking Iran, not to mention incursions into Iran by US Special
>Forces. Double standard, anyone?
>
>Iran had a DEMOCRATIC and SECULAR government until the CIA supported a
>coup putting the brutal and authoritarian Shah Pahlavi back in power.
>The Shah's SAVAK security police arrested and tortured thousands of
>pro-democracy Iranians, with the complicity of US administrations from
>Eisenhower to Carter.
>
>If you don't like the current Iranian government, send your complaints
>to Allen Welsh Dulles.
Oh, but that is in the past, now everything we do is for freedom, not
profit.
Until our invasion of Iraq (for profit) the youngsters in Iran were
close to pushing the mullahs out of power. Then we invaded Iraq,
showing the Iranians that the Mullahs were correct and that the US
only cared about the oil.
Of course, the reason that the Mullahs are in power in the first place
is because our Shah eliminated (ie, killed) all the non-religious
opposition, leaving only the Mullahs.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:25:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com > wrote in message
news:9ed273d8rq0f771642umjqo4c0qv6d3hr1@4ax.com...
[...]
> Until our invasion of Iraq (for profit) the youngsters in Iran were
> close to pushing the mullahs out of power. Then we invaded Iraq,
> showing the Iranians that the Mullahs were correct and that the US
> only cared about the oil.
>
> Of course, the reason that the Mullahs are in power in the first place
> is because our Shah eliminated (ie, killed) all the non-religious
> opposition, leaving only the Mullahs.
The Shah was well on the way to liberalizing Iranian society, but the g.d.
Mullahs were mired in the Middle Ages - and so now that is what we have to
contend with.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 04:37:29
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 12, 9:56 pm, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:10:47 -0700, "andresm...@aol.com"
>
> <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Actually, Jews and Arabs got along reasonably well for several hundred
> >years. In fact, Arabs used to welcome Jews into Spain and into north
> >Africa and the middle east since Paul invented Christianity.
>
> Oh, I dunno... there was that whole thing starting around 1000AD with
> the crusades. The Arabs seemed pretty pissed off at anything non-arab
> around then :-)
>
The Arabs where pretty pissed at the Christians. By enlarge, Jews were
not involved in the crusades. Jews were prosecuted but Christians all
over Europe just like the Arabs were.
> >The
> >current Jewish Arab conflict dates to the late 1800 hundreds with the
> >invention of Zionism, essentially a modern concept.
>
> Most Arabs I know it actually date it to 1946 and British moves to
> create a Jewish state.
The Zionist movement starts in around 1890s when Palestine was
controlled by the Turks. Jews in Europe decide that the living
conditions in Europe where not hospitable to them and start looking
to a potential place to go live. Palestine was one of those potential
places because there were Jews already living there and because that
was where they originally come from. There are other proposals that
emerge in the early 1900s for Jews to go live in Argentina and in
Kenya. Palestinians who also want to gain freedom, first from Turkey
and then from the Brits, see the Jews trying to establish themselves
in Palestine as challenging their potential independence. So, a low
level conflict between Jews and Arabs emerges then. Until then, Jews
have lived along with Arabs in Palestine and all over the middle east
in peace. These were mostly Arab Jews that had lived in the middle
east all along, and Sephardic Jews that had gone back to the middle
east after Spain kicked them out. Zionism is essentially an Azkenaz or
Northern/Eastern European movement. Anyways, the conflict between Jews
and Arabs escalates since the 1900's until, as you said, 1947, when
the shit hits the fan.
Andres
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 21:46:40
From: Aeek
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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This would be because they're anti females riding bicycles?
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 05:24:23
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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When you're happy and you know it, bomb Iran
If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iran.
If the terrorists are frisky, Pakistan is looking
shifty,
North Korea is too risky,
Bomb Iran.
If we have no allies with us, bomb Iran.
If we think someone has dissed us, bomb Iran.
So to hell with the inspections, Let's look tough
for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iran.
It's "preemptive nonaggression", bomb Iran.
Let's prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iran.
They've got weapons we can't see, And that's good
enough for me,
'Cos it's all the proof I need,
Bomb Iran.
If you never were elected, bomb Iran.
And your buddy's name is Joseph Lieberman.
One great thing about Tehran,
Is it's close to Pakistan.
Bomb Iran, bomb Iran, Bomb Iran.
If your corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iran.
If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iran.
If your politics are sleazy, And hiding that ain't
easy,
And your manhood's getting queasy,
Bomb Iran.
Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iran.
For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iran.
Disagree? We'll call it treason, Let's make war not
love this season,
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iran.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 21:42:38
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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<doug.landau@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181712263.193236.326890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> When you're happy and you know it, bomb Iran
> If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iran.
> If the terrorists are frisky, Pakistan is looking
> shifty,
> North Korea is too risky,
> Bomb Iran.
Hell, I say bomb North Korea too. Are they not part of the Axis of Evil?
> If we have no allies with us, bomb Iran.
> If we think someone has dissed us, bomb Iran.
> So to hell with the inspections, Let's look tough
> for the elections,
> Close your mind and take directions,
> Bomb Iran.
We need to bomb Iran before they bomb us. The last one to bomb loses.
> It's "preemptive nonaggression", bomb Iran.
> Let's prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iran.
> They've got weapons we can't see, And that's good
> enough for me,
> 'Cos it's all the proof I need,
> Bomb Iran.
Everyone knows that Iran is acquiring nuclear weapons. What is there about
this that you do understand?
> If you never were elected, bomb Iran.
> And your buddy's name is Joseph Lieberman.
> One great thing about Tehran,
> Is it's close to Pakistan.
> Bomb Iran, bomb Iran, Bomb Iran.
We may indeed have to bomb Pakistan before we are done with these execrable
Muslims.
> If your corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iran.
> If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iran.
> If your politics are sleazy, And hiding that ain't
> easy,
> And your manhood's getting queasy,
> Bomb Iran.
None of the above has anything to do with bombing Iran. Jeez, just how
stupid can you get?
> Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iran.
> For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iran.
> Disagree? We'll call it treason, Let's make war not
> love this season,
> Even if we have no reason,
> Bomb Iran.
There is every reason in the world to bomb Iran. We need to do it before
they do it to us.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 06:30:12
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 05:24:23 -0000, doug.landau@gmail.com wrote:
>
>When you're happy and you know it, bomb Iran
>If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iran.
>If the terrorists are frisky, Pakistan is looking
>shifty,
>North Korea is too risky,
>Bomb Iran.
[rest snipped]
Funny and scarily accurate too.
--
JT
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 18:39:20
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 12, 4:05 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On 12 Jun 2007 11:46:56 -0700, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies)
> wrote:
>
> >Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
> >time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
> >good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
> >the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>
> >When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
> >want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>
> >- Don Gillies
> >San Diego, CA
>
> Don,
>
> Did you write this post? Or is someone spoofing your email address?
>
> Carl Fogel
Carl:
As a Jew I didn't take offense with Don's post. Even though I can see
that it can be construed as anti-jewish (which of course is not the
same as antisemitic). As you and Don know, not all Jews think the way
Lieberman and other prominent American Jews think. There are thousands
of Jewish members of peace movements all over the world, including
Israel, who consider the actions of the US in the middle east as
atrocious. So, in a sense, our friend Bill is right in his critisizing
the assocaition of Lieberman with Jew, since Joseph doesn't in any way
represents all Jews. May be we should refer to him as IPAC Lieberman.
In Israel, there are women, who are members of the peace movement that
organize caravans into occupied territories to take supplies of food,
medicine, etc. They ran the Israeli manned barriers. When the return,
they get arrested and they meet in jail to plan their next trip, while
their lawyers get them free. There are also Jewish women who have lost
relatives during the war that meet with Palestinian women who also
lost relatives to talk about their losses and about the possibility of
building a future together. All this while IPAC Lieberman tries to
create more hatred in the middle east.
Andres
Andres
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 21:17:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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<andresmuro@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1181698760.835646.198200@g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> As a Jew I didn't take offense with Don's post. Even though I can see
> that it can be construed as anti-jewish (which of course is not the
> same as antisemitic). As you and Don know, not all Jews think the way
> Lieberman and other prominent American Jews think. There are thousands
> of Jewish members of peace movements all over the world, including
> Israel, who consider the actions of the US in the middle east as
> atrocious. So, in a sense, our friend Bill is right in his critisizing
> the assocaition of Lieberman with Jew, since Joseph doesn't in any way
> represents all Jews. May be we should refer to him as IPAC Lieberman.
The above is the kind of thinking that will lead the Jews to their
destruction. It was this kind of thinking that led the Jews to the
holocaust. There is nothing dumber in this world than a dumb Jew.
> In Israel, there are women, who are members of the peace movement that
> organize caravans into occupied territories to take supplies of food,
> medicine, etc. They ran the Israeli manned barriers. When the return,
> they get arrested and they meet in jail to plan their next trip, while
> their lawyers get them free. There are also Jewish women who have lost
> relatives during the war that meet with Palestinian women who also
> lost relatives to talk about their losses and about the possibility of
> building a future together. All this while IPAC Lieberman tries to
> create more hatred in the middle east.
Those Jewish women described above are too stupid for words. But Andres is
an idiot and any Jew who listens to him is doomed. The Arabs will delight in
killing fools like him.
The Jews need to fight like any other people in this world. Senator
Lieberman knows this even if Andres does not. Andres is the kind of Jew that
is universally hated. He will not stand up for his people, his religion and
his nation -which is Israel. He lives in America like a leech. He is the
kind of Jew that other Jews hate.
I charge Andres with being a traitor to his people, to his religion and to
his nation. It would have been better if he had never been born. He is
damned utterly by his own words. He is contemptible beyond measure. I am not
even a Jew and I hate him for what he is - a coward who will not fight for
what is rightfully his.
Regards,.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 20:15:04
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:39:20 -0700, "andresmuro@aol.com"
<andresmuro@aol.com > wrote:
>On Jun 12, 4:05 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> On 12 Jun 2007 11:46:56 -0700, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
>> >time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
>> >good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
>> >the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>>
>> >When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
>> >want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>>
>> >- Don Gillies
>> >San Diego, CA
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> Did you write this post? Or is someone spoofing your email address?
>>
>> Carl Fogel
>
>Carl:
>
>As a Jew I didn't take offense with Don's post. Even though I can see
>that it can be construed as anti-jewish (which of course is not the
>same as antisemitic).
[snip]
>Andres
Dear Andres,
I think that calling Senator Joe Lieberman Jew Lieberman speaks for
itself.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 14 Jun 2007 08:30:18
From: Peter Cole
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>>
> Dear Andres,
>
> I think that calling Senator Joe Lieberman Jew Lieberman speaks for
> itself.
I've got to agree with this.
I'd consider myself anti-Zionist, but that hardly means anti-semitic. I
think the above name-calling steps over the line.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>
> > Donald Gillies wrote:
> > > Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
> > > time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life
> > > is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked
> > > into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>
> > > When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
> > > want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>
> > Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country soon
> > enough.
>
> > Get a clue.
>
> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about him.
There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 20:42:47
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 19, 10:24 pm, Bill <b...@comcast.net > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 10:15 pm, Bill <b...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>
> >>> You can take the wine out of the jug (i.e., package in smaller
> >>> containers), but you can't take the "jug wine" out of the (cheap,
> >>> vile) wine. ;-)
> >> Like anybody cared in 1969?
> >> Bill Baka
>
> > Like anybody was referring to 1969?
>
> > Have another toke.
>
> Can't. I smoked it all.
And it shows.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 19:00:14
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
|
On Jun 16, 8:27 pm, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me > wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 16, 4:15 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >>> On Jun 16, 11:12 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
> >>>> R Brickston wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>
> >>>>>> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have
> >>>>>> shown Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and
> >>>>>> Choicepoint purged thousands of voters that should have been
> >>>>>> eligible. Same story with the Blackwell purges and other
> >>>>>> machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>
> >>>>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount
> >>>>> would have revealed?
>
> >>>> Gee, you'd think someone would have investigated this...like, 142
> >>>> times! LOL
>
> >>>> Bill "I still like how they announced Gore the winner while polls
> >>>> still open in western part of FL" S.
>
> >>> Or how Fox News consultant and Bush cousin John Ellis prematurely
> >>> made the call for Bush, leading the other networks to follow in a
> >>> "me too" rush, resulting in the public impression that Gore was a
> >>> sore loser for contesting the result?
>
> >> At least the polls were closed by then, unlike the incident I
> >> mentioned. It's all about AFFECTING actual votes.
>
> > Don't the voter's in the Florida panhandle care about local elections
> > also?
>
> Huh? (BTW, it's "voters".)
>
> > Speaking about affecting actual votes, why have the anomalous results
> > of the last 4 national elections almost universally favored
> > Republicans?
>
> Because you're delusionally partison. HTH
Huh? I am certainly not a registered Democrat, and find many of the
Democratic politicians disgusting.
BTW it is "partisan".
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 19:02:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1182045614.899432.206650@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 16, 8:27 pm, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me> wrote:
[...]
>> Because you're delusionally partison. HTH
>
> Huh? I am certainly not a registered Democrat, and find many of the
> Democratic politicians disgusting.
Mr. Sherman is an ideologue of the worst sort. He is essentially a Communist
who always favored the Soviet Union like all liberals. He is very sad these
days because there is no adversary able to take down the US. Yea, it is
always the lot of cowards and traitors like Mr. Sherman to be disappointed
in the enemies of this nation.
Mr. Sherman hates America almost as much as he hates Bush and the
Republicans, but he is overall hateful. I urge Mr. Sherman to become a kind
and generous soul like ME. He will be far happier when he acknowledges his
own worthlessness and strives to become a Great Saint like Saint Edward the
Great. No one gives a good god damn about any previous elections, but Mr.
Sherman is too dense to ever come to his senses. He is like a child who has
gone astray like a poor lost lamb. Where is the good shepherd, except for Ed
Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:49:44
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 4:15 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 16, 11:12 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> R Brickston wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>
> >>>> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
> >>>> Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
> >>>> purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same
> >>>> story with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in
> >>>> 2004.
>
> >>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
> >>> have revealed?
>
> >> Gee, you'd think someone would have investigated this...like, 142
> >> times! LOL
>
> >> Bill "I still like how they announced Gore the winner while polls
> >> still open in western part of FL" S.
>
> > Or how Fox News consultant and Bush cousin John Ellis prematurely made
> > the call for Bush, leading the other networks to follow in a "me too"
> > rush, resulting in the public impression that Gore was a sore loser
> > for contesting the result?
>
> At least the polls were closed by then, unlike the incident I mentioned.
> It's all about AFFECTING actual votes.
Don't the voter's in the Florida panhandle care about local elections
also?
Speaking about affecting actual votes, why have the anomalous results
of the last 4 national elections almost universally favored
Republicans?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 18:27:28
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 16, 4:15 pm, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 11:12 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> R Brickston wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>
>>>>>> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have
>>>>>> shown Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and
>>>>>> Choicepoint purged thousands of voters that should have been
>>>>>> eligible. Same story with the Blackwell purges and other
>>>>>> machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>>
>>>>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount
>>>>> would have revealed?
>>
>>>> Gee, you'd think someone would have investigated this...like, 142
>>>> times! LOL
>>
>>>> Bill "I still like how they announced Gore the winner while polls
>>>> still open in western part of FL" S.
>>
>>> Or how Fox News consultant and Bush cousin John Ellis prematurely
>>> made the call for Bush, leading the other networks to follow in a
>>> "me too" rush, resulting in the public impression that Gore was a
>>> sore loser for contesting the result?
>>
>> At least the polls were closed by then, unlike the incident I
>> mentioned. It's all about AFFECTING actual votes.
>
> Don't the voter's in the Florida panhandle care about local elections
> also?
Huh? (BTW, it's "voters".)
> Speaking about affecting actual votes, why have the anomalous results
> of the last 4 national elections almost universally favored
> Republicans?
Because you're delusionally partison. HTH
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:36:39
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 11:12 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
> R Brickston wrote:
> > On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>
> >> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
> >> Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
> >> purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
> >> with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>
> > How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
> > have revealed?
>
> Gee, you'd think someone would have investigated this...like, 142 times!
> LOL
>
> Bill "I still like how they announced Gore the winner while polls still open
> in western part of FL" S.
Or how Fox News consultant and Bush cousin John Ellis prematurely made
the call for Bush, leading the other networks to follow in a "me too"
rush, resulting in the public impression that Gore was a sore loser
for contesting the result?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:15:13
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 16, 11:12 am, Bill Sornson wrote:
>> R Brickston wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>
>>>> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
>>>> Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
>>>> purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same
>>>> story with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in
>>>> 2004.
>>
>>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
>>> have revealed?
>>
>> Gee, you'd think someone would have investigated this...like, 142
>> times! LOL
>>
>> Bill "I still like how they announced Gore the winner while polls
>> still open in western part of FL" S.
>
> Or how Fox News consultant and Bush cousin John Ellis prematurely made
> the call for Bush, leading the other networks to follow in a "me too"
> rush, resulting in the public impression that Gore was a sore loser
> for contesting the result?
At least the polls were closed by then, unlike the incident I mentioned.
It's all about AFFECTING actual votes.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>
> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
> >Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
> >purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
> >with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>
> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
> have revealed?
The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
Gore by 171
Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
precincts known to favor democrats.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 04:21:16
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
> The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
> a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>
> Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
> Gore by 171
> Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
> Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
> One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>
> This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
> precincts known to favor democrats.
Funny how Bush babies' brother Jeb is the governor of Floriduh?
Can we say "Rigged"?
Bill Baka
>
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 18:40:08
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:0F2di.15000$2v1.9588@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>> The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
>> a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>>
>> Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
>> Gore by 171
>> Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
>> Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
>> One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>>
>> This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
>> precincts known to favor democrats.
>
> Funny how Bush babies' brother Jeb is the governor of Floriduh?
> Can we say "Rigged"?
> Bill Baka
Well, I have a had enough of the Bush's also. Time to move on to others,
unless we want to have a monarchy like England. Screw the Clintons' too!
Enuf is enuf!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 12:52:14
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>>
>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
>> >Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
>> >purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
>> >with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>>
>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
>> have revealed?
>
>The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
>a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>
>Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
>Gore by 171
>Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
>Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
>One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>
>This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
>precincts known to favor democrats.
1. What is meant by review?
2. What is the margin of error?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 13:15:44
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:52:14 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset
><sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>>>
>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
>>> >Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
>>> >purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
>>> >with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>>>
>>> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
>>> have revealed?
>>
>>The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
>>a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>>
>>Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
>>Gore by 171
>>Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
>>Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
>>One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>>
>>This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
>>precincts known to favor democrats.
>
>1. What is meant by review?
>
>2. What is the margin of error?
Forget it, I did my own research; after reading a report by one of the
eight news agencies that commissioned the study, I'm baffled how you
come to an opposite conclusion:
Florida recount study: Bush Still Wins
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential
election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had
allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate
George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of
Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news
media companies, including CNN.
Suppose that Gore got what he originally wanted -- a hand recount in
heavily Democratic Broward, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Volusia
counties. The study indicates that Gore would have picked up some
additional support but still would have lost the election -- by a
225-vote margin statewide.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 11:05:01
From: dgk
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
>> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>
>> > Donald Gillies wrote:
>> > > Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
>> > > time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life
>> > > is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked
>> > > into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>>
>> > > When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
>> > > want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>>
>> > Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country soon
>> > enough.
>>
>> > Get a clue.
>>
>> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about him.
>
>There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
>Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:03:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com > wrote in message
news:c5rv6392r5f77mc815tpn2g02s4ckreebt@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>
>>> > Donald Gillies wrote:
>>> > > Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
>>> > > time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life
>>> > > is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked
>>> > > into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>>>
>>> > > When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
>>> > > want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>>>
>>> > Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country soon
>>> > enough.
>>>
>>> > Get a clue.
>>>
>>> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about him.
>>
>>There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
>>Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
>
> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
There is no scoundrel worse than an American Jew who will not stand up for
Israel. They are despicable and deserving of death. Fuck this treasonous
American Jew "dgk" all the way to hell and back!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 21:48:06
From: still me
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:03:29 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>There is no scoundrel worse than an <snip pointless rambling>
Well, there is the TROLL who makes up outrageous BS like some rabid
talk show host just for kicks, and then trolls it in bicycling groups
just to entertain himself. That would be worse.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 21:40:59
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 11:27 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
> ...To actually get wind in the face on a tricycle does count as an
> accomplishment, even if it was only at about 20 MPH....
This statement should be qualified as referring to children's
tricycles. I have had my current trike [1] to near 50-mph, but it is
considerably more advanced (freehub and Avid disc brakes among other
things) than the tricycle I had when I was 3 years old.
[1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df1a.jpg >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 21:56:26
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> On Jun 16, 11:27 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>> ...To actually get wind in the face on a tricycle does count as an
>> accomplishment, even if it was only at about 20 MPH....
>
> This statement should be qualified as referring to children's
> tricycles. I have had my current trike [1] to near 50-mph, but it is
> considerably more advanced (freehub and Avid disc brakes among other
> things) than the tricycle I had when I was 3 years old.
>
> [1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df1a.jpg>.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
If I can find a way to post the picture I might put it on one of my 2
websites, but basically I'm too computer lazy, today at least.
Interesting that I manually deleted any posts from Brickston and Sorni
and the debate has been raging all day long while I have been playing
with a Ubuntu Linux install.
You guys will argue anything to death.
I'm not needed to fuel the fire. Brickston+Sorni+Sunset is like napalm.
Bill Baka
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 11:44:48
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:56:26 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
>Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> On Jun 16, 11:27 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>>> ...To actually get wind in the face on a tricycle does count as an
>>> accomplishment, even if it was only at about 20 MPH....
>>
>> This statement should be qualified as referring to children's
>> tricycles. I have had my current trike [1] to near 50-mph, but it is
>> considerably more advanced (freehub and Avid disc brakes among other
>> things) than the tricycle I had when I was 3 years old.
>>
>> [1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df1a.jpg>.
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>
>If I can find a way to post the picture I might put it on one of my 2
>websites, but basically I'm too computer lazy, today at least.
>Interesting that I manually deleted any posts from Brickston and Sorni
>and the debate has been raging all day long while I have been playing
>with a Ubuntu Linux install.
>You guys will argue anything to death.
>I'm not needed to fuel the fire. Brickston+Sorni+Sunset is like napalm.
>Bill Baka
Baka is our own special needs contributor.
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 12:18:34
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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R Brickston wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:56:26 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>> On Jun 16, 11:27 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>> ...To actually get wind in the face on a tricycle does count as an
>>>> accomplishment, even if it was only at about 20 MPH....
>>>
>>> This statement should be qualified as referring to children's
>>> tricycles. I have had my current trike [1] to near 50-mph, but it is
>>> considerably more advanced (freehub and Avid disc brakes among other
>>> things) than the tricycle I had when I was 3 years old.
>>>
>>> [1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df1a.jpg>.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>>
>> If I can find a way to post the picture I might put it on one of my 2
>> websites, but basically I'm too computer lazy, today at least.
>> Interesting that I manually deleted any posts from Brickston and
>> Sorni and the debate has been raging all day long while I have been
>> playing with a Ubuntu Linux install.
>> You guys will argue anything to death.
>> I'm not needed to fuel the fire. Brickston+Sorni+Sunset is like
>> napalm. Bill Baka
>
> Baka is our own special needs contributor.
Boy, for a "computer expert" Bill sure seems to have trouble doing the
simplest things (plonking a poster, posting a pic, picking a nose...)...
LOL
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 19:30:54
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:18:34 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>R Brickston wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 21:56:26 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>>> On Jun 16, 11:27 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>> ...To actually get wind in the face on a tricycle does count as an
>>>>> accomplishment, even if it was only at about 20 MPH....
>>>>
>>>> This statement should be qualified as referring to children's
>>>> tricycles. I have had my current trike [1] to near 50-mph, but it is
>>>> considerably more advanced (freehub and Avid disc brakes among other
>>>> things) than the tricycle I had when I was 3 years old.
>>>>
>>>> [1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df1a.jpg>.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
>>>> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>>>>
>>> If I can find a way to post the picture I might put it on one of my 2
>>> websites, but basically I'm too computer lazy, today at least.
>>> Interesting that I manually deleted any posts from Brickston and
>>> Sorni and the debate has been raging all day long while I have been
>>> playing with a Ubuntu Linux install.
>>> You guys will argue anything to death.
>>> I'm not needed to fuel the fire. Brickston+Sorni+Sunset is like
>>> napalm. Bill Baka
>>
>> Baka is our own special needs contributor.
>
>Boy, for a "computer expert" Bill sure seems to have trouble doing the
>simplest things (plonking a poster, posting a pic, picking a nose...)...
>LOL
New sig: Billy "Ubuntu" Baka
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 15:33:46
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Big Wheels (was: Time to bomb Iran?)
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On Jun 16, 5:00 pm, doug.lan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > As a pre-schooler, I exceeded the speed on which I could keep my feet
> > on the pedals of my trike while going downhill. Based on my estimates
> > of the drive wheel diameter [1] and maximum possible cadence, I was
> > probably going 8-10 mph.
>
> > [1] This was of course, a front-wheel-direct-drive, moving bottom
> > bracket, upright delta trike.
>
> <yawn> Big Wheel.
No, Big Wheels [1] have a recumbent seating position. My trike was a
steel frame upright.
[1] <http://www.originalbigwheel.com/bigwheelhist.html >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 22:00:08
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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> As a pre-schooler, I exceeded the speed on which I could keep my feet
> on the pedals of my trike while going downhill. Based on my estimates
> of the drive wheel diameter [1] and maximum possible cadence, I was
> probably going 8-10 mph.
>
> [1] This was of course, a front-wheel-direct-drive, moving bottom
> bracket, upright delta trike.
<yawn > Big Wheel.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 05:50:41
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 7:16 am, R Brickston wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:57:29 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:
> >Johnny Sunset wrote:
> >> This post is more stupid than claiming to have gone 50 mph on a
> >> children's tricycle.
>
> >I will probably hear about that troll bait until I give up on posting here.
>
> It wasn't troll bait, it was one of Baka's many braggart posts. Only
> after weeks of the disbelievers calling him on it did he then reduce
> it (in his mind only) from a total untruth and fabrication to a "troll
> bait."...
As a pre-schooler, I exceeded the speed on which I could keep my feet
on the pedals of my trike while going downhill. Based on my estimates
of the drive wheel diameter [1] and maximum possible cadence, I was
probably going 8-10 mph.
[1] This was of course, a front-wheel-direct-drive, moving bottom
bracket, upright delta trike.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 04:27:59
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset wrote:
> As a pre-schooler, I exceeded the speed on which I could keep my feet
> on the pedals of my trike while going downhill. Based on my estimates
> of the drive wheel diameter [1] and maximum possible cadence, I was
> probably going 8-10 mph.
>
> [1] This was of course, a front-wheel-direct-drive, moving bottom
> bracket, upright delta trike.
>
I found a picture of me on that bike at about 4 years old and I don't
think you could possibly pedal a wheel that small more than 5 MPH.
What I really remember was the thought that the pedals were going so
fast I would probably break a leg if I tried to get my feet back on the
pedals. To actually get wind in the face on a tricycle does count as an
accomplishment, even if it was only at about 20 MPH.
They didn't have cyclo-computers for tricycles back then, and even if
they did, they would have had to use tubes. The computer would have
weighed more than me and the bike, and then there's the battery problem.
Bill Baka
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 11:43:06
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 04:27:59 GMT, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
>Johnny Sunset wrote:
>> As a pre-schooler, I exceeded the speed on which I could keep my feet
>> on the pedals of my trike while going downhill. Based on my estimates
>> of the drive wheel diameter [1] and maximum possible cadence, I was
>> probably going 8-10 mph.
>>
>> [1] This was of course, a front-wheel-direct-drive, moving bottom
>> bracket, upright delta trike.
>>
>I found a picture of me on that bike at about 4 years old and I don't
>think you could possibly pedal a wheel that small more than 5 MPH.
>What I really remember was the thought that the pedals were going so
>fast I would probably break a leg if I tried to get my feet back on the
>pedals. To actually get wind in the face on a tricycle does count as an
>accomplishment, even if it was only at about 20 MPH.
>They didn't have cyclo-computers for tricycles back then, and even if
>they did, they would have had to use tubes. The computer would have
>weighed more than me and the bike, and then there's the battery problem.
>Bill Baka
Next time anyone coasts down a hill, do about 20 MPH and try and
imagine a 4 year old on a tricycle alongside you. I'm guessing that
little Billy was doing maybe 8-10 MPH and he wet his pants.
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 09:43:15
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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dgk wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Donald Gillies wrote:
>>>>> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that
>>>>> any time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel
>>>>> - life is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the
>>>>> USA sucked into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east
>>>>> religious conflict.
>>>
>>>>> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion.
>>>>> They want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this
>>>>> country.
>>>
>>>> Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country
>>>> soon enough.
>>>
>>>> Get a clue.
>>>
>>> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about him.
>>
>> There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
>> Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
>
> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and instead are
going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well be blog blather...
(Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border, that's
been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the insurgency AND the
Taliban. Only in your world view would it be "fascist" to respond.)
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 06:15:32
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 16, 7:52 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:38:57 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>
>
>
> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 16, 6:30 am, R Brickston <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0700, Johnny Sunset
>
> >> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
> >> >Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
> >> >purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
> >> >with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>
> >> How on Earth did you get the knowledge of what a full recount would
> >> have revealed?
>
> >The National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago did
> >a review of all machine uncounted ballots with the following results:
>
> >Standard as set by each county Canvassing Board during their survey -
> >Gore by 171
> >Fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots - Gore by 115
> >Any dimples or optical mark - Gore by 107
> >One corner of chad detached or optical mark - Gore by 60
>
> >This, of course, ignores all the other efforts to suppress the vote in
> >precincts known to favor democrats.
>
> 1. What is meant by review?
>
> 2. What is the margin of error?
<http://www2.norc.org/fl/index.asp >
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 10:39:41
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> dgk wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:49:11 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 12, 6:20 pm, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>>> In article <466ef255$0$8004$4c368...@roadrunner.com>,
>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Donald Gillies wrote:
>>>>>> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that
>>>>>> any time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel
>>>>>> - life is good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the
>>>>>> USA sucked into the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east
>>>>>> religious conflict.
>>>>
>>>>>> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion.
>>>>>> They want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this
>>>>>> country.
>>>>
>>>>> Calling people names like "Jew Lieberman" will end this country
>>>>> soon enough.
>>>>
>>>>> Get a clue.
>>>>
>>>> Yup. Liebberman's a twit but that's no reason to be rude about
>>>> him.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of reasons to be rude about Joseph "I Love Bush"
>>> Lieberman, but his ethnicity is not one of them.
>>
>> Quite correct, I'm Jewish and think that Lieberman is a fascist. He's
>> the senator from Likud and worse, a true neocon. The really sad part
>> is that bombing Iran will likely result in the destruction of Israel.
>
> None of you apparently read what Lieberman actually /said/, and
> instead are going by what EDWARD DOLAN said he said! Might as well
> be blog blather...
> (Hint: he mentioned one base that's close to the Iran/Iraq border,
> that's been proven to be supplying both arms and men to both the
> insurgency AND the Taliban. Only in your world view would it be
> "fascist" to respond.)
PS: Here's your fascist: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64
(Listen to the WHOLE THING.)
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 17:46:21
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 12, 5:18 pm, Donald Gillies wrote:
> "Dear Carl" writes:
> >On 12 Jun 2007 11:46:56 -0700, Donald Gillies wrote:
> >>Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
> >>time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
> >>good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
> >>the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>
> >>When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
> >>want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>
> >>- Don Gillies
> >>San Diego, CA
> >Don,
> >Did you write this post? Or is someone spoofing your email address?
> >Carl Fogel
>
> Nobody is spoofing my email address, HOWEVER, I will say that my
> concept of Israeli-Americans and their attitude towards america is
> shaped by discussions with several close jewish friends of mine....
So which country is their REAL loyalty to?
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 20:46:44
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1181695581.946465.54060@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 12, 5:18 pm, Donald Gillies wrote:
>> "Dear Carl" writes:
>> >On 12 Jun 2007 11:46:56 -0700, Donald Gillies wrote:
>> >>Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
>> >>time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
>> >>good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
>> >>the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>>
>> >>When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
>> >>want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>>
>> >>- Don Gillies
>> >>San Diego, CA
>> >Don,
>> >Did you write this post? Or is someone spoofing your email address?
>> >Carl Fogel
>>
>> Nobody is spoofing my email address, HOWEVER, I will say that my
>> concept of Israeli-Americans and their attitude towards america is
>> shaped by discussions with several close jewish friends of mine....
>
> So which country is their REAL loyalty to?
If an American Jew feels a bit of loyalty to Israel, that is fine and dandy
with me. I know they also love America. That is more than I can say for a
treasonous liberal like you.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 11:05:01
From: dgk
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:46:21 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Jun 12, 5:18 pm, Donald Gillies wrote:
>> "Dear Carl" writes:
>> >On 12 Jun 2007 11:46:56 -0700, Donald Gillies wrote:
>> >>Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
>> >>time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
>> >>good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
>> >>the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>>
>> >>When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
>> >>want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>>
>> >>- Don Gillies
>> >>San Diego, CA
>> >Don,
>> >Did you write this post? Or is someone spoofing your email address?
>> >Carl Fogel
>>
>> Nobody is spoofing my email address, HOWEVER, I will say that my
>> concept of Israeli-Americans and their attitude towards america is
>> shaped by discussions with several close jewish friends of mine....
>
>So which country is their REAL loyalty to?
Like many people in the US, there is a dual loyalty. Lieberman takes
it to another level; he'd see the US in endless war if he thought it
would be good for Israel. Well, actually, that's the way he does see
it and that's why he wants endless war.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 20:53:00
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com > wrote in message
news:pgrv63p51t58an5u1dvm9inp4ebdk6t1h0@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:46:21 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 12, 5:18 pm, Donald Gillies wrote:
>>> "Dear Carl" writes:
>>> >On 12 Jun 2007 11:46:56 -0700, Donald Gillies wrote:
>>> >>Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
>>> >>time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
>>> >>good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
>>> >>the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>>>
>>> >>When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
>>> >>want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>>>
>>> >>- Don Gillies
>>> >>San Diego, CA
>>> >Don,
>>> >Did you write this post? Or is someone spoofing your email address?
>>> >Carl Fogel
>>>
>>> Nobody is spoofing my email address, HOWEVER, I will say that my
>>> concept of Israeli-Americans and their attitude towards america is
>>> shaped by discussions with several close jewish friends of mine....
>>
>>So which country is their REAL loyalty to?
>
> Like many people in the US, there is a dual loyalty. Lieberman takes
> it to another level; he'd see the US in endless war if he thought it
> would be good for Israel. Well, actually, that's the way he does see
> it and that's why he wants endless war.
You God Damn Simple Moron! It is the Muslims who want endless war! You are
too fucking stupid for me to even bother with. Please go fuck yourself and
do not bother these newsgroups again with your incredible stupidity.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 17:32:07
From:
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 12, 1:10 pm, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com > wrote:
> On Jun 12, 12:46 pm, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies) wrote:
>
> > Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
> > time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
> > good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
> > the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>
> > When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
> > want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>
> > - Don Gillies
> > San Diego, CA
>
> Actually, Jews and Arabs got along reasonably well for several hundred
> years. In fact, Arabs used to welcome Jews into Spain and into north
> Africa and the middle east since Paul invented Christianity. The
> current Jewish Arab conflict dates to the late 1800 hundreds with the
> invention of Zionism, essentially a modern concept.
>
> Jew Andres (who thinks that Jew Joseph is screwed in the head)
Jew Neil happens to agree with Jew on this one.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 22:24:51
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 12, 5:18 pm, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies) wrote:
> carlfo...@comcast.net writes:
> >On 12 Jun 2007 11:46:56 -0700, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies)
> >wrote:
> >>Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
> >>time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
> >>good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
> >>the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>
> >>When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
> >>want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>
> >>- Don Gillies
> >>San Diego, CA
> >Don,
> >Did you write this post? Or is someone spoofing your email address?
> >Carl Fogel
>
> Nobody is spoofing my email address, HOWEVER, I will say that my
> concept of Israeli-Americans and their attitude towards america is
> shaped by discussions with several close jewish friends of mine. And
> I did not use the phrase "Jew Lieberman" to offend anyone, and
> apologize if anyone was offended by that.
>
>
Don,
I quite agree with the point you are making regarding Lieberman's
politics and policies. However, I must say that terms such as "Jew
Lieberman" can easily lead to charges of anti-semitism, making it easy
for some to dismiss your comments.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 13:10:47
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 12, 12:46 pm, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies) wrote:
> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
> time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
> good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
> the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>
> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
> want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>
> - Don Gillies
> San Diego, CA
Actually, Jews and Arabs got along reasonably well for several hundred
years. In fact, Arabs used to welcome Jews into Spain and into north
Africa and the middle east since Paul invented Christianity. The
current Jewish Arab conflict dates to the late 1800 hundreds with the
invention of Zionism, essentially a modern concept.
Jew Andres (who thinks that Jew Joseph is screwed in the head)
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 20:28:13
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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<andresmuro@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1181679047.950428.3580@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 12, 12:46 pm, gill...@cs.ubc.ca (Donald Gillies) wrote:
>> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
>> time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
>> good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
>> the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>>
>> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
>> want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
>>
>> - Don Gillies
>> San Diego, CA
>
> Actually, Jews and Arabs got along reasonably well for several hundred
> years. In fact, Arabs used to welcome Jews into Spain and into north
> Africa and the middle east since Paul invented Christianity. The
> current Jewish Arab conflict dates to the late 1800 hundreds with the
> invention of Zionism, essentially a modern concept.
>
> Jew Andres (who thinks that Jew Joseph is screwed in the head)
All of the above is totally wrongheaded. Arabs, since the advent of
Mohammed, have never treated Jews fairly. Islam is an intolerant religion at
best and a murderous religion at worst.
Who the hell were the Arabs to welcome Jews into Spain. The god damn Arabs
did not belong in Spain in the first place. Furthermore, the Arabs always
segregated Jews into Jewish Quarters in North Africa. Zionism has nothing to
do with the Muslin Arab antipathy toward Jews.
Lieberman is the only Dem I can stand. All the others are cowards and
traitors to America. Damn their rotten souls all the way to Hell and back!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 01:39:36
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> Lieberman is the only Dem I can stand.
Man, are you even on this planet?
I would vote for Hillary, who obviously did not serve in the military.
Obama is he runs with Hillary as V.P., but not the President.
Gore probably if he can ever live down that "I invented the Internet" thing.
All the others are cowards and
> traitors to America. Damn their rotten souls all the way to Hell and back!
Why? Because they did not volunteer to go to Viet Nam and get their
heads blown off for no good reason? That makes about as much sense as
joining the Army now and buying into that crap "You made them strong, we
will make them Army strong.". Forgot to mention getting you kid back in
a body bag for a useless war. We can't impose Democracy on a religion
that does not believe in it. We can take the oil fields (why we're
there), and give them back the sand part of the country. Call it spoils
of an unholy war. If someone claims to have discovered oil in Darfur
guess where our troops will be heading.
Bill Baka--Order of the "Give a shit".
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 23:48:07
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:stGdi.14962$RX.5080@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>> Lieberman is the only Dem I can stand.
>
> Man, are you even on this planet?
> I would vote for Hillary, who obviously did not serve in the military.
> Obama is he runs with Hillary as V.P., but not the President.
> Gore probably if he can ever live down that "I invented the Internet"
> thing.
Hillary and Obama are nobodies and not worthy to get anywhere near the White
House. They are both lightweights and neither of them are even good
representatives in Congress. What a pair of ciphers!
> All the others are cowards and
>> traitors to America. Damn their rotten souls all the way to Hell and
>> back!
>
> Why? Because they did not volunteer to go to Viet Nam and get their heads
> blown off for no good reason? That makes about as much sense as joining
> the Army now and buying into that crap "You made them strong, we will make
> them Army strong.". Forgot to mention getting you kid back in a body bag
> for a useless war. We can't impose Democracy on a religion that does not
> believe in it. We can take the oil fields (why we're there), and give them
> back the sand part of the country. Call it spoils of an unholy war. If
> someone claims to have discovered oil in Darfur guess where our troops
> will be heading.
> Bill Baka--Order of the "Give a shit".
I do not care in the slightest whether anyone served in the military or not.
What is important is how they propose to defend this nation against its
enemies. Some of these Dems are so stupid that they do not even believe we
have any enemies.
Hey, Bill, ever hear of 9/11? Well, what is your take on it? Were we
attacked or weren't we? It is your type of thinking that will ensure that
the Repubs hold on to the White House. We are at war. Try to get up to speed
on that at least if you want to talk about such things.
Young people are dying every day on our highways and streets for nothing at
all. Those who are dying in Iraq are defending this nation and they are all
heroes as far as I am concerned. By the way, there is nothing wrong about
dying for oil. Since the nation runs on it, it is worth dying for.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 03:56:00
From: still me
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:10:47 -0700, "andresmuro@aol.com"
<andresmuro@aol.com > wrote:
>Actually, Jews and Arabs got along reasonably well for several hundred
>years. In fact, Arabs used to welcome Jews into Spain and into north
>Africa and the middle east since Paul invented Christianity.
Oh, I dunno... there was that whole thing starting around 1000AD with
the crusades. The Arabs seemed pretty pissed off at anything non-arab
around then :-)
>The
>current Jewish Arab conflict dates to the late 1800 hundreds with the
>invention of Zionism, essentially a modern concept.
Most Arabs I know it actually date it to 1946 and British moves to
create a Jewish state.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 11:46:56
From: Donald Gillies
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
- Don Gillies
San Diego, CA
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 15:49:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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"Donald Gillies" <gillies@cs.ubc.ca > wrote in message
news:f4mpn0$psl$1@cascade.cs.ubc.ca...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! NOR DOES HE EVEN POST ANY OF THE MESSAGE TO
WHICH HE IS RESPONDING!
> Jew Lieberman is one of many Israeli-Americans who believe that any
> time we whack a middle-eastern country - and enemy of Israel - life is
> good. The goal of this radical faction is to get the USA sucked into
> the middle of a 10,000-year old mid-east religious conflict.
>
> When that happens, this country ends. We are above religion. They
> want to bring us down to their level. Don't end this country.
The God Damn Muslim Arabs need to be taught a lesson - and that is that they
are shit in the eyes of the West. I will take an Israeli or an American Jew
any time of the day or night to a Muslim Arab. How about you?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 18:21:21
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Jun 15, 8:08 pm, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me > wrote:
> Johnny Sunset wrote:
> > On Jun 15, 11:10 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>
> >> I think there is a twist of fate that has been overlooked.
> >> Ever since Bush #1 invaded Iraq and left the "Highway of death", and
> >> did not finish the job by getting Hussein, ALL Muslims have hated
> >> the US. Having Bush #2 elected was the straw that broke the camel's
> >> back with them. They didn't hate the US that badly, since we rescued
> >> Kuwait, but they did hate the Bush name. When dipshit junior got
> >> elected...
>
> > ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
> > Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
> > purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same story
> > with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in 2004.
>
> {cough} horseshit {cough}
Still living in Faux News fantasy land, Sorni? The exit polls being
that wrong is far LESS likely than the child Bill Baka exceeding 50
mph on a kiddie tricycle.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Rationality, as the primary cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> On Jun 15, 8:08 pm, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me> wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset wrote:
>>> On Jun 15, 11:10 pm, Bill Baka wrote:
>>
>>>> I think there is a twist of fate that has been overlooked.
>>>> Ever since Bush #1 invaded Iraq and left the "Highway of death",
>>>> and did not finish the job by getting Hussein, ALL Muslims have
>>>> hated the US. Having Bush #2 elected was the straw that broke the
>>>> camel's back with them. They didn't hate the US that badly, since
>>>> we rescued Kuwait, but they did hate the Bush name. When dipshit
>>>> junior got elected...
>>
>>> ...5 to 4 by the US Supreme Court. A full recount would have shown
>>> Gore winning Florida, even after Katherine Harris and Choicepoint
>>> purged thousands of voters that should have been eligible. Same
>>> story with the Blackwell purges and other machinations in Ohio in
>>> 2004.
>>
>> {cough} horseshit {cough}
>
> Still living in Faux News fantasy land, Sorni? The exit polls being
> that wrong is far LESS likely than the child Bill Baka exceeding 50
> mph on a kiddie tricycle.
Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know" S.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>
>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>
>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>
>Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know" S.
Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to say,
either the leadership of the White House or the Justice Department or
both were making decisions about the prosecution of law in the US with
an eye primarily on winning elections.
If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't know
what is.
--
JT
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>
>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>
>>Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know" S.
>
>Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
>attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to say,
>either the leadership of the White House or the Justice Department or
>both were making decisions about the prosecution of law in the US with
>an eye primarily on winning elections.
>
>If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't know
>what is.
How about a source?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 09:48:42
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>
>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>
>>>Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know" S.
>>
>>Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
>>attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to say,
>>either the leadership of the White House or the Justice Department or
>>both were making decisions about the prosecution of law in the US with
>>an eye primarily on winning elections.
>>
>>If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't know
>>what is.
>
>How about a source?
Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez, David Iglesias testimony to
Congress, among others.
It's the only explanation left. Multiple rationales for the firings
have been made by staff in the Justice Department and all have been
shown to be bogus. Read the papers. Read major papers. Watch the
Goodling testimony. Watch the Gonzalez testimony, Watch the Iglesias
testimon
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 13:47:37
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:48:42 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12 GMT, R Brickston
><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>>
>>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>>
>>>>Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know" S.
>>>
>>>Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
>>>attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to say,
>>>either the leadership of the White House or the Justice Department or
>>>both were making decisions about the prosecution of law in the US with
>>>an eye primarily on winning elections.
>>>
>>>If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't know
>>>what is.
>>
>>How about a source?
>
>Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez, David Iglesias testimony to
>Congress, among others.
>
>It's the only explanation left. Multiple rationales for the firings
>have been made by staff in the Justice Department and all have been
>shown to be bogus. Read the papers. Read major papers. Watch the
>Goodling testimony. Watch the Gonzalez testimony, Watch the Iglesias
>testimon
Pure conjecture.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 09:11:23
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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R Brickston wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:48:42 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12 GMT, R Brickston
>> <rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal
>>>>> immigrants to vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your
>>>>> damnedest to prevent overseas military votes from being counted.
>>>>> (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>>>
>>>>> NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know"
>>>>> S.
>>>>
>>>> Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
>>>> attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to say,
>>>> either the leadership of the White House or the Justice Department
>>>> or both were making decisions about the prosecution of law in the
>>>> US with an eye primarily on winning elections.
>>>>
>>>> If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't know
>>>> what is.
>>>
>>> How about a source?
>>
>> Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez, David Iglesias testimony to
>> Congress, among others.
>>
>> It's the only explanation left. Multiple rationales for the firings
>> have been made by staff in the Justice Department and all have been
>> shown to be bogus. Read the papers. Read major papers. Watch the
>> Goodling testimony. Watch the Gonzalez testimony, Watch the Iglesias
>> testimon
>
> Pure conjecture.
What was the underlying purpose of Clinton firing *93* US Attorneys --
including the one in Arkansas investigating Whitewater AND the one about to
indict Dem Don Rostenkowski? (No "conjecture" needed.) Where was the media
attention to that? Where was the outcry in Congress?
When will Flogger get the fact that I /plonked/ him many months ago -- have
reminded of this many times -- and yet he continues to direct questions to
me as if I see his stuff?
He really IS delusional...
BS (not)
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 13:38:52
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:11:23 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>What was the underlying purpose of Clinton firing *93* US Attorneys --
>including the one in Arkansas investigating Whitewater AND the one about to
>indict Dem Don Rostenkowski? (No "conjecture" needed.) Where was the media
>attention to that? Where was the outcry in Congress?
It's quite understandable to fire and replace all attorneys as a move
to get some sort of consistent new policy view on the administration
of justice. But to go after attorneys who are fundamentally following
the policies of the administration simply because they will not follow
them in a partisan manner or in a manner that is inconsistenly applied
to different people based on political affiliation is quite another.
The fired attorneys were Republicans/Conservatives who were overall
following the publically correct conservative line. But they were not
partisans, and it seems that under the Bush administration that is not
good enough.
I realize the point I made above may be too subtle for someone like
you (Bush Good, Not Bush Bad) and all that, but try to think about it
a little.
>When will Flogger get the fact that I /plonked/ him many months ago -- have
>reminded of this many times -- and yet he continues to direct questions to
>me as if I see his stuff?
You just read some of my stuff in quotes. Perhaps you've seen another
question I've posed to you: what are your sources of information about
the world? And I'll add a related question to that -- why do you seem
so afraid to reveal what those sources are?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 10:00:41
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:47:37 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:48:42 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:56:12 GMT, R Brickston
>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 05:03:22 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>>>
>>>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill "the SCOTUS was still majority liberal back then, you know" S.
>>>>
>>>>Sorni, you may not realize this, but the whole point of the US
>>>>attornery purge was to swing voting to Republican. That is to say,
>>>>either the leadership of the White House or the Justice Department or
>>>>both were making decisions about the prosecution of law in the US with
>>>>an eye primarily on winning elections.
>>>>
>>>>If that's not voter fraud in the most pernicious way, I don't know
>>>>what is.
>>>
>>>How about a source?
>>
>>Monica Goodling, Alberto Gonzalez, David Iglesias testimony to
>>Congress, among others.
>>
>>It's the only explanation left. Multiple rationales for the firings
>>have been made by staff in the Justice Department and all have been
>>shown to be bogus. Read the papers. Read major papers. Watch the
>>Goodling testimony. Watch the Gonzalez testimony, Watch the Iglesias
>>testimon
>
>Pure conjecture.
It's conjecture supported by facts and logic and also by the total
inability of the people doing the firing to justify those firings. In
fact, the way in which multiple senior officials at the Justice
Department have each denied making decisions about the firings
suggests that if trying to influence elections was not the principal
cause, then it's something far more explicitly illegal. I have no
idea what that could be and believe it's probably the simpler
explantion I made.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 04:50:52
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>
>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
There is little evidence of wide-spread fake voting in the US. There
is real evidence of systematic vote suppression efforts by Republicans
in several places, for example:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
And speaking of preventing overseas servicemen/women from voting, what
about this:
http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/06/11/caging-did-it-could-it-happen-here-in-tennessee/
http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I think you've willfully
decided to get all your "news" from one or two sources (probably some
felon on talk radio) and that's it.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:55:40
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:50:52 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>wrote:
>
>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>
>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>
>There is little evidence of wide-spread fake voting in the US. There
>is real evidence of systematic vote suppression efforts by Republicans
>in several places, for example:
>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>
>And speaking of preventing overseas servicemen/women from voting, what
>about this:
>
>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/06/11/caging-did-it-could-it-happen-here-in-tennessee/
>http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
>
>You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I think you've willfully
>decided to get all your "news" from one or two sources (probably some
>felon on talk radio) and that's it.
I'm guessing that two of your sources have a liberal bent, as does
Slate. The wrench in the works is no quote from the NYT.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 09:45:49
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:55:40 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:50:52 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>
>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>
>>There is little evidence of wide-spread fake voting in the US. There
>>is real evidence of systematic vote suppression efforts by Republicans
>>in several places, for example:
>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>>
>>And speaking of preventing overseas servicemen/women from voting, what
>>about this:
>>
>>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/06/11/caging-did-it-could-it-happen-here-in-tennessee/
>>http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
>>
>>You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I think you've willfully
>>decided to get all your "news" from one or two sources (probably some
>>felon on talk radio) and that's it.
>
>I'm guessing that two of your sources have a liberal bent, as does
>Slate. The wrench in the works is no quote from the NYT.
"Liberal bent" or not, a conviction in court of using phone jamming on
election day is a fact.
Funny how reality seems to have a liberal bias these days.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 13:48:31
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:45:49 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:55:40 GMT, R Brickston
><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:50:52 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>>
>>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>
>>>There is little evidence of wide-spread fake voting in the US. There
>>>is real evidence of systematic vote suppression efforts by Republicans
>>>in several places, for example:
>>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>>>
>>>And speaking of preventing overseas servicemen/women from voting, what
>>>about this:
>>>
>>>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/06/11/caging-did-it-could-it-happen-here-in-tennessee/
>>>http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
>>>
>>>You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I think you've willfully
>>>decided to get all your "news" from one or two sources (probably some
>>>felon on talk radio) and that's it.
>>
>>I'm guessing that two of your sources have a liberal bent, as does
>>Slate. The wrench in the works is no quote from the NYT.
>
>"Liberal bent" or not, a conviction in court of using phone jamming on
>election day is a fact.
>
>Funny how reality seems to have a liberal bias these days.
Post the source, don't just pontificate.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 10:02:00
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:48:31 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:45:49 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:55:40 GMT, R Brickston
>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:50:52 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>>>
>>>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>>
>>>>There is little evidence of wide-spread fake voting in the US. There
>>>>is real evidence of systematic vote suppression efforts by Republicans
>>>>in several places, for example:
>>>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>>>>
>>>>And speaking of preventing overseas servicemen/women from voting, what
>>>>about this:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/06/11/caging-did-it-could-it-happen-here-in-tennessee/
>>>>http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
>>>>
>>>>You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I think you've willfully
>>>>decided to get all your "news" from one or two sources (probably some
>>>>felon on talk radio) and that's it.
>>>
>>>I'm guessing that two of your sources have a liberal bent, as does
>>>Slate. The wrench in the works is no quote from the NYT.
>>
>>"Liberal bent" or not, a conviction in court of using phone jamming on
>>election day is a fact.
>>
>>Funny how reality seems to have a liberal bias these days.
>
>Post the source, don't just pontificate.
This is the source:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
What, do you want me to post the court records to back it up?
Or is "post the source" your standard response to things you don't
want to believe -- trying to tire out people who are telling you
things you don't want to know?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:27:06
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:02:00 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:48:31 GMT, R Brickston
><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:45:49 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:55:40 GMT, R Brickston
>>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:50:52 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>>>
>>>>>There is little evidence of wide-spread fake voting in the US. There
>>>>>is real evidence of systematic vote suppression efforts by Republicans
>>>>>in several places, for example:
>>>>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>>>>>
>>>>>And speaking of preventing overseas servicemen/women from voting, what
>>>>>about this:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/06/11/caging-did-it-could-it-happen-here-in-tennessee/
>>>>>http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
>>>>>
>>>>>You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I think you've willfully
>>>>>decided to get all your "news" from one or two sources (probably some
>>>>>felon on talk radio) and that's it.
>>>>
>>>>I'm guessing that two of your sources have a liberal bent, as does
>>>>Slate. The wrench in the works is no quote from the NYT.
>>>
>>>"Liberal bent" or not, a conviction in court of using phone jamming on
>>>election day is a fact.
>>>
>>>Funny how reality seems to have a liberal bias these days.
>>
>>Post the source, don't just pontificate.
>
>This is the source:
>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>
>What, do you want me to post the court records to back it up?
No, the article is plenty enough. The person should be banned from
anything to do with an election, imo.
>Or is "post the source" your standard response to things you don't
>want to believe -- trying to tire out people who are telling you
>things you don't want to know?
Hardly, but should I take someone's word for it? If a story, fact or
opinion has backup, I see no problem in asking for it.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 10:37:08
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:27:06 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:02:00 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:48:31 GMT, R Brickston
>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:45:49 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:55:40 GMT, R Brickston
>>>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:50:52 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>>>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>>>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There is little evidence of wide-spread fake voting in the US. There
>>>>>>is real evidence of systematic vote suppression efforts by Republicans
>>>>>>in several places, for example:
>>>>>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And speaking of preventing overseas servicemen/women from voting, what
>>>>>>about this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/06/11/caging-did-it-could-it-happen-here-in-tennessee/
>>>>>>http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I think you've willfully
>>>>>>decided to get all your "news" from one or two sources (probably some
>>>>>>felon on talk radio) and that's it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing that two of your sources have a liberal bent, as does
>>>>>Slate. The wrench in the works is no quote from the NYT.
>>>>
>>>>"Liberal bent" or not, a conviction in court of using phone jamming on
>>>>election day is a fact.
>>>>
>>>>Funny how reality seems to have a liberal bias these days.
>>>
>>>Post the source, don't just pontificate.
>>
>>This is the source:
>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>>
>>What, do you want me to post the court records to back it up?
>
>No, the article is plenty enough. The person should be banned from
>anything to do with an election, imo.
>
>>Or is "post the source" your standard response to things you don't
>>want to believe -- trying to tire out people who are telling you
>>things you don't want to know?
>
>Hardly, but should I take someone's word for it? If a story, fact or
>opinion has backup, I see no problem in asking for it.
It seems I posted the backup, then you asked for it, then I posted it
again. Seems you are trying to wear me down and didn't actually read
what I wrote or posted.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:47:38
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:37:08 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:27:06 GMT, R Brickston
><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:02:00 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:48:31 GMT, R Brickston
>>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:45:49 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 11:55:40 GMT, R Brickston
>>>>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 04:50:52 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:44:19 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Go pay a few hundred busloads of homeless people and illegal immigrants to
>>>>>>>>vote, Johnny. Oh, and don't forget to do your damnedest to prevent overseas
>>>>>>>>military votes from being counted. (They might negate the DEAD vote! LOL )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NO ONE rivals the Democrats for voter fraud. No one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is little evidence of wide-spread fake voting in the US. There
>>>>>>>is real evidence of systematic vote suppression efforts by Republicans
>>>>>>>in several places, for example:
>>>>>>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And speaking of preventing overseas servicemen/women from voting, what
>>>>>>>about this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2007/06/11/caging-did-it-could-it-happen-here-in-tennessee/
>>>>>>>http://www.slate.com/id/2167284/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are either ignorant or a liar or both. I think you've willfully
>>>>>>>decided to get all your "news" from one or two sources (probably some
>>>>>>>felon on talk radio) and that's it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm guessing that two of your sources have a liberal bent, as does
>>>>>>Slate. The wrench in the works is no quote from the NYT.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Liberal bent" or not, a conviction in court of using phone jamming on
>>>>>election day is a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>>Funny how reality seems to have a liberal bias these days.
>>>>
>>>>Post the source, don't just pontificate.
>>>
>>>This is the source:
>>>http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2006/05/29/convicted_phone_jammer_helping_host_gop_candidate_workshop/
>>>
>>>What, do you want me to post the court records to back it up?
>>
>>No, the article is plenty enough. The person should be banned from
>>anything to do with an election, imo.
>>
>>>Or is "post the source" your standard response to things you don't
>>>want to believe -- trying to tire out people who are telling you
>>>things you don't want to know?
>>
>>Hardly, but should I take someone's word for it? If a story, fact or
>>opinion has backup, I see no problem in asking for it.
>
>It seems I posted the backup, then you asked for it, then I posted it
>again. Seems you are trying to wear me down and didn't actually read
>what I wrote or posted.
Wear you down? I missed the link, my error. You were "worn down" by
what, 38 seconds of keyboard input? Should I send you a Starbucks gift
card to make up for the energy loss?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 12:40:37
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:47:38 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>Wear you down? I missed the link, my error. You were "worn down" by
>what, 38 seconds of keyboard input?
When you can't bother to read properly but just ask for stuff, it's
kind of weird.
Do links at least show up in another color on your monitor or
something. Maybe you could look into getting a computer system to
help make that sort of stuff more obvious.
Just a suggestion.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 17:52:21
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:40:37 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:47:38 GMT, R Brickston
><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>
>>Wear you down? I missed the link, my error. You were "worn down" by
>>what, 38 seconds of keyboard input?
>
>When you can't bother to read properly but just ask for stuff, it's
>kind of weird.
>
>Do links at least show up in another color on your monitor or
>something. Maybe you could look into getting a computer system to
>help make that sort of stuff more obvious.
>
>Just a suggestion.
Or better, I could be just be like you and never make a mistake.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 14:30:12
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:52:21 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:40:37 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:47:38 GMT, R Brickston
>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>
>>>Wear you down? I missed the link, my error. You were "worn down" by
>>>what, 38 seconds of keyboard input?
>>
>>When you can't bother to read properly but just ask for stuff, it's
>>kind of weird.
>>
>>Do links at least show up in another color on your monitor or
>>something. Maybe you could look into getting a computer system to
>>help make that sort of stuff more obvious.
>>
>>Just a suggestion.
>
>Or better, I could be just be like you and never make a mistake.
Oh, I make mistakes.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 22:02:20
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:30:12 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:52:21 GMT, R Brickston
><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:40:37 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:47:38 GMT, R Brickston
>>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wear you down? I missed the link, my error. You were "worn down" by
>>>>what, 38 seconds of keyboard input?
>>>
>>>When you can't bother to read properly but just ask for stuff, it's
>>>kind of weird.
>>>
>>>Do links at least show up in another color on your monitor or
>>>something. Maybe you could look into getting a computer system to
>>>help make that sort of stuff more obvious.
>>>
>>>Just a suggestion.
>>
>>Or better, I could be just be like you and never make a mistake.
>
>Oh, I make mistakes.
And no one else is allowed to, apparently.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 19:41:16
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:02:20 GMT, R Brickston
<rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@ > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:30:12 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:52:21 GMT, R Brickston
>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:40:37 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:47:38 GMT, R Brickston
>>>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Wear you down? I missed the link, my error. You were "worn down" by
>>>>>what, 38 seconds of keyboard input?
>>>>
>>>>When you can't bother to read properly but just ask for stuff, it's
>>>>kind of weird.
>>>>
>>>>Do links at least show up in another color on your monitor or
>>>>something. Maybe you could look into getting a computer system to
>>>>help make that sort of stuff more obvious.
>>>>
>>>>Just a suggestion.
>>>
>>>Or better, I could be just be like you and never make a mistake.
>>
>>Oh, I make mistakes.
>
>And no one else is allowed to, apparently.
You're allowed.
I just think that, at best, you're too quick on the "cite please"
trigger and at worst you use that sort of request as a stick.
Yeah, I think you were using it as a stick recently and it wasn't an
honest mistake. Maybe I'm mistaken though.
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 00:00:06
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Time to bomb Iran?
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:41:16 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:02:20 GMT, R Brickston
><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:30:12 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:52:21 GMT, R Brickston
>>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:40:37 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:47:38 GMT, R Brickston
>>>>><rb20170REMOVE.yahoo.com@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Wear you down? I missed the link, my error. You were "worn down" by
>>>>>>what, 38 seconds of keyboard input?
>>>>>
>>>>>When you can't bother to read properly but just ask for stuff, it's
>>>>>kind of weird.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do links at least show up in another color on your monitor or
>>>>>something. Maybe you could look into getting a computer system to
>>>>>help make that sort of stuff more obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>Or better, I could be just be like you and never make a mistake.
>>>
>>>Oh, I make mistakes.
>>
>>And no one else is allowed to, apparently.
>
>You're allowed.
>
>I just think that, at best, you're too quick on the "cite please"
>trigger and at worst you use that sort of request as a stick.
>
>Yeah, I think you were using it as a stick recently and it wasn't an
>honest mistake. Maybe I'm mistaken though.
Your truth, not the truth.
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