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Date: 10 Nov 2006 21:11:26
From: marian.rosenberg@gmail.com
Subject: Tire Talent
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I knew I was good at getting flat tires.
I knew it was a special talent of mine.
But this is ridiculous.
It's not just the one and only time I make a specific point of very
carefully examining the tires and pressure on a borrowed mountain bike
that there were four flat tires that day (which is huge for a group
that size riding a trail that tame) and all happened in my vicinity.
It's not just the time that I managed to get a flat while sitting in
the bike shop having a conversation. The rim tape on a newly built
wheel wasn't seated properly and I got a flat without doing anything.
It's not just that by the time they patched that flat and more tea was
drunk and laughing happened and it was time to leave that the
previously undiscovered pinhole in the rear tire had let out enough air
to be noticed.
It's not just that I managed to do a self-supported 300km weekend
without a single flat, until _after_ I met up with the bike club and
promptly got two pinch flats in one kthumpthump that was bad enough to
cause a pinch in my TIRE.
Or a flat caused by tacks deliberately scattered in the road near a
repair stand.
Or a later flat caused by a thorn finding the one place in my tire that
was unprotected. With that one happening when I'd hidden the bike off
by the side of the road so I could take some pictures.
Or the ...
And the ...
You get the picture. I have an astonishing number of flats. While
many of them are purely preventable pinch flats that are in many ways
my own fault for not checking pressure or for checking pressure and
being too damn lazy to do something about it cause I don't like my hand
pump and would rather wait til it's convenient to stop at a place with
an air compressor, there are lots of flats that, it seems, could only
happen to me. Because when I'm not getting flats, people who are
riding near me, or who have recently mocked my amazing flat tire talent
are getting flats.
But this, this, this, this is RIDICULOUS!!
My personal bikes arrived back in Haikou Wednesday afternoon. Since
the six of us took eleven bikes to the race in Sanya and I'm not biking
all next week due to being a translator in the race office for the Tour
of Hainan I got stuck on the end of the assemble bikes list. There is
no reason I couldn't take a bus or a moto-taxi or even ask my boss to
have a car pick me up, except that my friend and former classmate Tim
has a tolerable mountain bike that he let me borrow and I'm an addict
who has to get her fix any way possible.
The rear wheel is a recent replacement and is all quick release,
schrader valve, Shimano cassette, my bike geek friend got me to go to
the pro shop to fix something. With the exception of the fact that
it's mostly true the front wheel, however, is a different story. Even
if I knew how to remove and remount a wheel without QR, I don't have
the tools. Nor, since it wasn't my bike, did I have my seatbag and
pump. Nor would my pump have been able to deal with a Woods valve.
So, at 10:30pm, when I got off work and went out to the parking lot of
an international Tour and discovered that the front tire had
miraculously managed to go flat between breakfast and now I had no
personal way of dealing with it.
I could have called my friend the mechanic who is working Neutral
Support. The chances that he would have a patch kit, or a mountain
bike tube, or an adaptor for a Woods valve were pretty slim and I
decided not to.
I could have called my boss (or his boss) in the Race Office and tried
to arrange a car to send me home. Of course this would preclude the
majority of the cars not having left an hour earlier in a convoy to go
to the airport and pick up Important Guests. And, given the size of
the cars one of the sponsors has provided getting the bike home would
have required one with a bike rack, like say ... one of the Team Cars,
and did I mention it was the non QR front wheel of a 35 pound mountain
bike?
Someone in the General Office managed to arrange a ride for me with two
guys from the Haikou Public Security Bureau. While they weren't
technically working the race and probably shouldn't have been putting a
grungy mountain bike in the back of the luxury SUV that belongs to
their director, at least I managed to get home.
I moto'd in to work today.
-M
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 08:51:09
From: marian.rosenberg@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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Bill wrote:
> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> > Bill wrote:
> >> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Bill wrote:
> >>>> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> I knew I was good at getting flat tires.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I knew it was a special talent of mine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But this is ridiculous.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I moto'd in to work today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -M
> >>>>>
> >>>> Have you tried
> >>>> those super thick tubes that have a ton of rubber on the ground side?
> >>> Locally unavailable. I forgot to get them while I was in the states
> >>> over the summer and when I attempted to get a friend to bring me some
> >>> from the US last January he ended up bringing ordinary road tubes that
> >>> were the same as the ones I usually use. Same manufacturer, same
> >>> brand, English on the packaging, 3x the price.
> >> I didn't realize you were on that side of the pond. Over here the thick
> >> tubes are available at Wal-t and not my LBS, but like everything
> >> there they are made in China.
> >
> > If you mean Europe, I'm not on that side of the pond except in the very
> > general sense of being on the far side of the other continent on that
> > side of that pond. The ocean that I can't see very well from my
> > balcony is Pacific (specifically the Qiongzhou Straits of the South
> > China Sea).
>
> Ooops, wrong pond.
:)
> >>>> Do
> >>>> your tires have much rubber between the knobs on knobbies?
> >>> Don't know about the mountain bike in this incident but my personal
> >>> mountain bike tires are good. I risk the wrath of the puncture fairy
> >>> but I've managed 1200 flat free kilometers on it so far.
> >> I will risk the assumption here that your tires are not the Chinese junk
> >> I have to put up with. My LBS seems to want to concentrate on road bikes
> >> so I would have to mail order some Kevlar or Armadillos at about $40 USD
> >> each.
> >
> > The tires on my personal mountain bike were on the bike when I bought
> > it secondhand in the US. The tires on my road bike are CST (for Cheng
> > Shin Tire) and, depending on location, can be bought for as low as
> > 30rmb.
>
> I have no idea what 30rmb translates to in USD.
About $3.75
> > Knowing the bike and knowing the owner of the bike these tires were
> > almost certainly Chinese junk.
>
> I think you have to buy non Chinese to get non junk. What used to be
> regarded as Japanese junk 40 years ago is now the high end stuff, unless
> you count the really expensive European stuff.
In this case I am referring to stuff that is considered junk IN
CHINA... at least by cyclists in China anyways. And the bike shop does
stock a fair bit of made-in-China.
> >>>> Do you need knobbies on a MTB
> >>>> or can you use the street slicks at 26" x 1.75", which have more rubber
> >>>> where it counts?
> >>> I've considered getting street slicks for my mountain bike but haven't
> >>> and probably won't. When I intend to ride on the road (as opposed to
> >>> riding _to_ a trail) I have a road bike.
> >> Different situation, since I have to ride about 20 road miles to get to
> >> the good trails. My wife is always using the car so me taking it for the
> >> whole day to go out and mountain bike is kind of out. 3 cars but I am
> >> always working on one and the other 2 are being used by wife and daughter.
> >
> > 20 miles = 30 kilometers... me too
> >
> > -M
> >
> Well, that does kind of put us in the same boat, so to speak. I have to
> earn my mountain riding by putting in the road mileage, which kind of
> takes the initial oomph out of my attacking the trails. Really tired by
> the time I get back home from a day of that combo road, trail, hike
> stuff so it's a good general workout.
> Cheers, without flats I hope.
It's not worth it if you don't earn it. And you don't have to ride
hard to get out to the trails, a nice lazy cycle with a stop for
coconuts is a perfectly good way to start out the ride.
-M
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 17:29:56
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
>> Well, that does kind of put us in the same boat, so to speak. I have to
>> earn my mountain riding by putting in the road mileage, which kind of
>> takes the initial oomph out of my attacking the trails. Really tired by
>> the time I get back home from a day of that combo road, trail, hike
>> stuff so it's a good general workout.
>> Cheers, without flats I hope.
>
> It's not worth it if you don't earn it. And you don't have to ride
> hard to get out to the trails, a nice lazy cycle with a stop for
> coconuts is a perfectly good way to start out the ride.
>
> -M
>
I only wish I could stop for coconuts. My ride is basically 20 miles of
desert with maybe a dozen shade trees and then the mountains, which in
California are dry all summer and soaked in the winter. Totally strange
climate. The coastal mountains here are great because summer or winter
they seem to hold at 65 degrees F no matter what due to the huge canopy
of redwoods. That is about a 170 mile drive for me though so it would
have to be a weekend in a motel and 2 days of intense riding with the
required big grin.
Bill Baka
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Date: 13 Nov 2006 06:02:55
From: marian.rosenberg@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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Bill wrote:
> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> > Bill wrote:
> >> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> I knew I was good at getting flat tires.
> >>>
> >>> I knew it was a special talent of mine.
> >>>
> >>> But this is ridiculous.
> >>>
> >>> I moto'd in to work today.
> >>>
> >>> -M
> >>>
> >> Have you tried
> >> those super thick tubes that have a ton of rubber on the ground side?
> >
> > Locally unavailable. I forgot to get them while I was in the states
> > over the summer and when I attempted to get a friend to bring me some
> > from the US last January he ended up bringing ordinary road tubes that
> > were the same as the ones I usually use. Same manufacturer, same
> > brand, English on the packaging, 3x the price.
>
> I didn't realize you were on that side of the pond. Over here the thick
> tubes are available at Wal-t and not my LBS, but like everything
> there they are made in China.
If you mean Europe, I'm not on that side of the pond except in the very
general sense of being on the far side of the other continent on that
side of that pond. The ocean that I can't see very well from my
balcony is Pacific (specifically the Qiongzhou Straits of the South
China Sea).
> >> Do
> >> your tires have much rubber between the knobs on knobbies?
> >
> > Don't know about the mountain bike in this incident but my personal
> > mountain bike tires are good. I risk the wrath of the puncture fairy
> > but I've managed 1200 flat free kilometers on it so far.
>
> I will risk the assumption here that your tires are not the Chinese junk
> I have to put up with. My LBS seems to want to concentrate on road bikes
> so I would have to mail order some Kevlar or Armadillos at about $40 USD
> each.
The tires on my personal mountain bike were on the bike when I bought
it secondhand in the US. The tires on my road bike are CST (for Cheng
Shin Tire) and, depending on location, can be bought for as low as
30rmb.
Knowing the bike and knowing the owner of the bike these tires were
almost certainly Chinese junk.
> >> Do you need knobbies on a MTB
> >> or can you use the street slicks at 26" x 1.75", which have more rubber
> >> where it counts?
> >
> > I've considered getting street slicks for my mountain bike but haven't
> > and probably won't. When I intend to ride on the road (as opposed to
> > riding _to_ a trail) I have a road bike.
>
> Different situation, since I have to ride about 20 road miles to get to
> the good trails. My wife is always using the car so me taking it for the
> whole day to go out and mountain bike is kind of out. 3 cars but I am
> always working on one and the other 2 are being used by wife and daughter.
20 miles = 30 kilometers... me too
-M
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Date: 14 Nov 2006 00:20:07
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Bill wrote:
>>>> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> I knew I was good at getting flat tires.
>>>>>
>>>>> I knew it was a special talent of mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> But this is ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>> I moto'd in to work today.
>>>>>
>>>>> -M
>>>>>
>>>> Have you tried
>>>> those super thick tubes that have a ton of rubber on the ground side?
>>> Locally unavailable. I forgot to get them while I was in the states
>>> over the summer and when I attempted to get a friend to bring me some
>>> from the US last January he ended up bringing ordinary road tubes that
>>> were the same as the ones I usually use. Same manufacturer, same
>>> brand, English on the packaging, 3x the price.
>> I didn't realize you were on that side of the pond. Over here the thick
>> tubes are available at Wal-t and not my LBS, but like everything
>> there they are made in China.
>
> If you mean Europe, I'm not on that side of the pond except in the very
> general sense of being on the far side of the other continent on that
> side of that pond. The ocean that I can't see very well from my
> balcony is Pacific (specifically the Qiongzhou Straits of the South
> China Sea).
Ooops, wrong pond.
>
>>>> Do
>>>> your tires have much rubber between the knobs on knobbies?
>>> Don't know about the mountain bike in this incident but my personal
>>> mountain bike tires are good. I risk the wrath of the puncture fairy
>>> but I've managed 1200 flat free kilometers on it so far.
>> I will risk the assumption here that your tires are not the Chinese junk
>> I have to put up with. My LBS seems to want to concentrate on road bikes
>> so I would have to mail order some Kevlar or Armadillos at about $40 USD
>> each.
>
> The tires on my personal mountain bike were on the bike when I bought
> it secondhand in the US. The tires on my road bike are CST (for Cheng
> Shin Tire) and, depending on location, can be bought for as low as
> 30rmb.
I have no idea what 30rmb translates to in USD.
>
> Knowing the bike and knowing the owner of the bike these tires were
> almost certainly Chinese junk.
I think you have to buy non Chinese to get non junk. What used to be
regarded as Japanese junk 40 years ago is now the high end stuff, unless
you count the really expensive European stuff.
>
>>>> Do you need knobbies on a MTB
>>>> or can you use the street slicks at 26" x 1.75", which have more rubber
>>>> where it counts?
>>> I've considered getting street slicks for my mountain bike but haven't
>>> and probably won't. When I intend to ride on the road (as opposed to
>>> riding _to_ a trail) I have a road bike.
>> Different situation, since I have to ride about 20 road miles to get to
>> the good trails. My wife is always using the car so me taking it for the
>> whole day to go out and mountain bike is kind of out. 3 cars but I am
>> always working on one and the other 2 are being used by wife and daughter.
>
> 20 miles = 30 kilometers... me too
>
> -M
>
Well, that does kind of put us in the same boat, so to speak. I have to
earn my mountain riding by putting in the road mileage, which kind of
takes the initial oomph out of my attacking the trails. Really tired by
the time I get back home from a day of that combo road, trail, hike
stuff so it's a good general workout.
Cheers, without flats I hope.
Bill Baka
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 23:51:56
From: marian.rosenberg@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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Bill wrote:
> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> > I knew I was good at getting flat tires.
> >
> > I knew it was a special talent of mine.
> >
> > But this is ridiculous.
> >
> > I moto'd in to work today.
> >
> > -M
> >
> Do you have a water tank so you can check for bubbles before you go,
> even if you have to put one end of the bike in at a time?
No. Leaky patches and pinholes are one problem I very rarely get.
> Have you tried
> those super thick tubes that have a ton of rubber on the ground side?
Locally unavailable. I forgot to get them while I was in the states
over the summer and when I attempted to get a friend to bring me some
from the US last January he ended up bringing ordinary road tubes that
were the same as the ones I usually use. Same manufacturer, same
brand, English on the packaging, 3x the price.
> Do
> your tires have much rubber between the knobs on knobbies?
Don't know about the mountain bike in this incident but my personal
mountain bike tires are good. I risk the wrath of the puncture fairy
but I've managed 1200 flat free kilometers on it so far.
> Many have
> almost none so the flats are always caused by punctures between the
> knobs. Do you have 2 layers of rim tape?
I don't think so. Haven't had any reason to check out the rims on my
new road bike yet. My mountain bike has one layer of seriously tough
ass rim tape.
>Do you need knobbies on a MTB
> or can you use the street slicks at 26" x 1.75", which have more rubber
> where it counts?
I've considered getting street slicks for my mountain bike but haven't
and probably won't. When I intend to ride on the road (as opposed to
riding _to_ a trail) I have a road bike.
> Are your tires mounted with hand pressure (most of mine are) or does
> your mechanic use wrenches that may pinch a tube (it happens)?
My mountain bike tires are mounted by hand. My road bike tires can be
mounted by hand but I usually succumb to tire irons.
> Just some ideas, since I got sick of flats too.
I'm a flat magnet. If they aren't happening to me they are happening
very close to me.
-M
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Date: 12 Nov 2006 19:43:17
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I knew I was good at getting flat tires.
>>>
>>> I knew it was a special talent of mine.
>>>
>>> But this is ridiculous.
>>>
>>> I moto'd in to work today.
>>>
>>> -M
>>>
>> Have you tried
>> those super thick tubes that have a ton of rubber on the ground side?
>
> Locally unavailable. I forgot to get them while I was in the states
> over the summer and when I attempted to get a friend to bring me some
> from the US last January he ended up bringing ordinary road tubes that
> were the same as the ones I usually use. Same manufacturer, same
> brand, English on the packaging, 3x the price.
I didn't realize you were on that side of the pond. Over here the thick
tubes are available at Wal-t and not my LBS, but like everything
there they are made in China.
>
>> Do
>> your tires have much rubber between the knobs on knobbies?
>
> Don't know about the mountain bike in this incident but my personal
> mountain bike tires are good. I risk the wrath of the puncture fairy
> but I've managed 1200 flat free kilometers on it so far.
I will risk the assumption here that your tires are not the Chinese junk
I have to put up with. My LBS seems to want to concentrate on road bikes
so I would have to mail order some Kevlar or Armadillos at about $40 USD
each.
>
>> Many have
>> almost none so the flats are always caused by punctures between the
>> knobs. Do you have 2 layers of rim tape?
>
> I don't think so. Haven't had any reason to check out the rims on my
> new road bike yet. My mountain bike has one layer of seriously tough
> ass rim tape.
So far, so good.
>
>> Do you need knobbies on a MTB
>> or can you use the street slicks at 26" x 1.75", which have more rubber
>> where it counts?
>
> I've considered getting street slicks for my mountain bike but haven't
> and probably won't. When I intend to ride on the road (as opposed to
> riding _to_ a trail) I have a road bike.
Different situation, since I have to ride about 20 road miles to get to
the good trails. My wife is always using the car so me taking it for the
whole day to go out and mountain bike is kind of out. 3 cars but I am
always working on one and the other 2 are being used by wife and daughter.
>
>> Are your tires mounted with hand pressure (most of mine are) or does
>> your mechanic use wrenches that may pinch a tube (it happens)?
>
> My mountain bike tires are mounted by hand. My road bike tires can be
> mounted by hand but I usually succumb to tire irons.
It must be a guy thing since I will nearly bloody my hands before I
concede to a tire iron. Good hand strength workout though.
>
>> Just some ideas, since I got sick of flats too.
>
> I'm a flat magnet. If they aren't happening to me they are happening
> very close to me.
>
> -M
>
It happens to me mostly when I take my grandkids for rides. They never
listen to me about not taking short cuts through weeds and such. I wind
up being a mechanic as often as not.
Bill Baka
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 15:05:37
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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ian.rosenberg@gmail.com wrote:
> I knew I was good at getting flat tires.
>
> I knew it was a special talent of mine.
>
> But this is ridiculous.
>
> I moto'd in to work today.
>
> -M
>
Do you have a water tank so you can check for bubbles before you go,
even if you have to put one end of the bike in at a time? Have you tried
those super thick tubes that have a ton of rubber on the ground side? Do
your tires have much rubber between the knobs on knobbies? Many have
almost none so the flats are always caused by punctures between the
knobs. Do you have 2 layers of rim tape? Do you need knobbies on a MTB
or can you use the street slicks at 26" x 1.75", which have more rubber
where it counts?
Are your tires mounted with hand pressure (most of mine are) or does
your mechanic use wrenches that may pinch a tube (it happens)?
Just some ideas, since I got sick of flats too.
Bill Baka
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 17:21:46
From: nash
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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I have to use kevlar belted Panselas and Huffy tape to keep from getting
flats in Surrey, BC. For my Trek 4100 till it was stolen 2 weeks ago.
I had 5 flats in two days. Does that make you feel any better.
All were from underestimating how much damage from an unknown assailant
actually did to my tire and tube. Through and through. Talk about
depressed. No riding and confounded to boot.
I use to use puncture resistant tubes (double thiickness) and they are
pretty good.
My other road bike and road tires are very tight and susceptible to
installation pinches. Arrgggh.
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 17:54:11
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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nash wrote:
> I have to use kevlar belted Panselas and Huffy tape to keep from getting
> flats in Surrey, BC. For my Trek 4100 till it was stolen 2 weeks ago.
> I had 5 flats in two days. Does that make you feel any better.
Not really, but that is one reason I don't buy expensive bikes.
Sorry for you though.
> All were from underestimating how much damage from an unknown assailant
> actually did to my tire and tube. Through and through. Talk about
> depressed. No riding and confounded to boot.
> I use to use puncture resistant tubes (double thiickness) and they are
> pretty good.
>
> My other road bike and road tires are very tight and susceptible to
> installation pinches. Arrgggh.
>
>
At least you have something to ride until/if the Trek gets recovered.
Even expensive bikes take a back seat to stolen cars.
Steal a $200 beater car and they jump on it.
Steal a $3,000 Trek and they shrug it off.
Which owner pays more of their salary?
I think having a car registered has a lot to do with it.
Bill Baka
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 18:56:56
From: nash
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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"Bill" <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:77o5h.593$yE6.312@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> nash wrote:
>> I have to use kevlar belted Panselas and Huffy tape to keep from getting
>> flats in Surrey, BC. For my Trek 4100 till it was stolen 2 weeks ago.
>> I had 5 flats in two days. Does that make you feel any better.
>
> Not really, but that is one reason I don't buy expensive bikes.
> Sorry for you though.
>
>> All were from underestimating how much damage from an unknown assailant
>> actually did to my tire and tube. Through and through. Talk about
>> depressed. No riding and confounded to boot.
>> I use to use puncture resistant tubes (double thiickness) and they are
>> pretty good.
>>
>> My other road bike and road tires are very tight and susceptible to
>> installation pinches. Arrgggh.
> At least you have something to ride until/if the Trek gets recovered.
> Even expensive bikes take a back seat to stolen cars.
> Steal a $200 beater car and they jump on it.
> Steal a $3,000 Trek and they shrug it off.
> Which owner pays more of their salary?
> I think having a car registered has a lot to do with it.
> Bill Baka
Well it is harder to see the serial on a bike when they are riding it than a
license on a car while driving. Maybe that is why.
I got the whole 9 yards from the young police man and the victims unit.
Also, block watch counselling, so I am not putting alot of stock in what you
are saying.
Odd thing is like I have mentioned in other posts is I bought a brand
new MTB because I thought the Trek 4100 was not worth fixing the whole drive
train (est. $150) and then what would be next. The frrame could probably
survive anything cept a chain saw. The new york lock I had on it cost more
to replace than I could get for the bike without accessories.
The insurance cheque ended up covering the cost of the new bike. I have
never been that lucky in my entire life. Since I do not own a car $500 for
a bike is not expensive for me. I never ride a bus or use a car generally
speaking.
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 19:56:21
From: Bill
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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nash wrote:
> Well it is harder to see the serial on a bike when they are riding it than a
> license on a car while driving. Maybe that is why.
> I got the whole 9 yards from the young police man and the victims unit.
> Also, block watch counselling, so I am not putting alot of stock in what you
> are saying.
What is block watch counseling, or whatever and why would you say that I
am (or not) BS'ing? We have a lot of stolen bikes in this area since
there are a lot of guys with too many DUI's and no hope of getting a
license until they have gray hair. Still, the cops ignore them and go
after the cars. Your area may be different.
> Odd thing is like I have mentioned in other posts is I bought a brand
> new MTB because I thought the Trek 4100 was not worth fixing the whole drive
> train (est. $150) and then what would be next.
I don't try to memorize the posts since I am on 3 other more technical
groups and have a ton of technical reading to do on line. I just happen
to have this group enabled when I am on the computer, which is more time
than I would like lately.
The frrame could probably
> survive anything cept a chain saw. The new york lock I had on it cost more
> to replace than I could get for the bike without accessories.
> The insurance cheque ended up covering the cost of the new bike. I have
> never been that lucky in my entire life. Since I do not own a car $500 for
> a bike is not expensive for me. I never ride a bus or use a car generally
> speaking.
>
You have to live in the city then, because I have 3 cars and actually
need to drive 150 miles to a job site once in a while. I can't rely on
public transit since it doesn't exist for me. I could go $500 for a bike
but since I have room I just have 5 bikes, 3 ridable right now, and do
the same as with the cars. If one is down for maintenance I just use
another. I live in the country in a real house with a real wife,
daughter, etc. My stepdaughter and all my inherited grandkids live
behind us. My life couldn't happen in the city.
Different worlds.
Bill Baka
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Date: 11 Nov 2006 06:53:27
From: Werehatrack
Subject: Re: Tire Talent
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On 10 Nov 2006 21:11:26 -0800, "ian.rosenberg@gmail.com"
<ian.rosenberg@gmail.com > wrote:
>I moto'd in to work today.
The perversity of the Universe tends toward a maximum.
I believe that this explains a great deal; perhaps too much.
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