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Date: 07 Apr 2007 14:08:34
From: Gunny
Subject: Trek Hybrids
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I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
old.
I guess I can cough up $1,200, but I'd first like to ask here if there
is anyone who has found a good quality hybrid for less than that, or
if there is anyone reading this in that has experience with Trek
Hybrids that would say: just pay it and enjoy it, they are fabulous
bikes.
Anyway, if you've got time the time to offer your opinions, I'd love
to hear them.
Many thanks,
Gunny
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 03:25:18
From: John Smith
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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For what its worth, I have a Specialized Globe A1 hybrid that I bought in
1998 for something like $450 USD and it has been a great bike for weekend
paved and unpaved bike path and city street riding. I'm thinking of buying a
road bike soon and will be looking at Specialized again.
j
"Gunny" <girsatt@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175980114.394979.289660@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
> Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
> be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
> Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
> position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>
> So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
> it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
> Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
> The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
> bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
> 1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
> old.
>
> I guess I can cough up $1,200, but I'd first like to ask here if there
> is anyone who has found a good quality hybrid for less than that, or
> if there is anyone reading this in that has experience with Trek
> Hybrids that would say: just pay it and enjoy it, they are fabulous
> bikes.
>
> Anyway, if you've got time the time to offer your opinions, I'd love
> to hear them.
>
> Many thanks,
> Gunny
>
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 12:45:32
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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On Apr 8, 8:30 am, fred <f...@fred.com > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 3:08 pm, "Gunny" <girs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
> >> Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
> >> be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
> >> Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
> >> position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>
> >> So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
> >> it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
> >> Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
> >> The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
> >> bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
> >> 1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
> >> old.
>
> > Ya making the same dough now as in 1968 Gunny? Do a search on that new
> > fangled thing called a computer and see what $1200 is in 1968
> > money...THEN compare to your 1968 Datsun..a Nissan basic is what,
> > $15,000 today???
>
> ...
> Did so here in Canada (Bank of Canada is really helpful): $2000CDN from
> 1968 translates into less than $12000CDN today. Yeah, I thought it'd
> be more than that.
Interesting. According to:
http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
$2000 in 1968 is $11667 in 2006 (in US dollars). The inflation rates
are very similar in the US and Canada.
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 06:12:43
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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On Apr 7, 3:08 pm, "Gunny" <girs...@gmail.com > wrote:
> I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
> Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
> be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
> Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
> position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>
> So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
> it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
> Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
> The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
> bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
> 1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
> old.
Ya making the same dough now as in 1968 Gunny? Do a search on that new
fangled thing called a computer and see what $1200 is in 1968
money...THEN compare to your 1968 Datsun..a Nissan basic is what,
$15,000 today???
>
> I guess I can cough up $1,200, but I'd first like to ask here if there
> is anyone who has found a good quality hybrid for less than that, or
> if there is anyone reading this in that has experience with Trek
> Hybrids that would say: just pay it and enjoy it, they are fabulous
> bikes.
>
> Anyway, if you've got time the time to offer your opinions, I'd love
> to hear them.
>
> Many thanks,
> Gunny
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 08:30:34
From: fred
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On Apr 7, 3:08 pm, "Gunny" <girs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
>> Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
>> be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
>> Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
>> position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>>
>> So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
>> it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
>> Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
>> The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
>> bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
>> 1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
>> old.
>
> Ya making the same dough now as in 1968 Gunny? Do a search on that new
> fangled thing called a computer and see what $1200 is in 1968
> money...THEN compare to your 1968 Datsun..a Nissan basic is what,
> $15,000 today???
...
Did so here in Canada (Bank of Canada is really helpful): $2000CDN from
1968 translates into less than $12000CDN today. Yeah, I thought it'd
be more than that.
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Date: 09 Apr 2007 20:06:34
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 08:30:34 -0500, fred <fred@fred.com > wrote:
>> Ya making the same dough now as in 1968 Gunny? Do a search on that new
>> fangled thing called a computer and see what $1200 is in 1968
>> money...THEN compare to your 1968 Datsun..a Nissan basic is what,
>> $15,000 today???
>...
>Did so here in Canada (Bank of Canada is really helpful): $2000CDN from
>1968 translates into less than $12000CDN today. Yeah, I thought it'd
>be more than that.
In 1968 a catalogue Paramount would have cost you about $ 250, just a
bit more than the Gitane Tour de France I purchased that year. Those
bikes were not the top of the line (I seem to remember that a custom
Paramount was about $ 500 back then) and would be a $ 1,500 bike
today. The Schwinn equivalent to the hybrid would cost from $ 70 - $
120 from Schwinn, and not be in the category of a $ 1,200 Breezer. So
the 6x scaling up seems to be more or less in line, but the bikes
today are better quality, by and large, with more features. A $ 70
Collegiate was no great bicycle.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 04:49:04
From: Gunny
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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> Forget about the pricing, relative to other things. The only thing that
> really matters is whether the bike is worth the $$$ to *you.* Today. And
> then maybe 40 years from now you can shock somebody with stories about your
> Trek 7700 hybrid that only cost $1200, when that person is contemplating a
> $24,000 commuting bike with linear-induction motors that use the rims for
> rails.
Mike, if I talk to someone in 40 years that itself will be the stunner
(I'd be 108 years old), not how much I paid for my bike.
Thanks for the input, much appreciated.
Gunny
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 04:45:35
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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> So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
> it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
> Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
> The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
> bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
> 1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
> old.
You speak as if that's the only Trek offering; that you have no choice but
to buy a $1200 Trek or something else. Why? Trek has a full range of
hybrids, from under $300 to $2200. Nobody's saying that you're buying a
klunker if you don't buy the high-end versions. I might also point out that
your Datsun 2000 station wagon wasn't exactly top of the line in 1968
either. A very nice, practical, and well-priced (compared to domestic
offerings) vehicle. But you could have spent *far* more money on a car back
then.
And I won't even ask you what your current residence might be worth now,
compared to back then... oops, just did! : >)
> I guess I can cough up $1,200, but I'd first like to ask here if there
> is anyone who has found a good quality hybrid for less than that, or
> if there is anyone reading this in that has experience with Trek
> Hybrids that would say: just pay it and enjoy it, they are fabulous
> bikes.
Forget about the pricing, relative to other things. The only thing that
really matters is whether the bike is worth the $$$ to *you.* Today. And
then maybe 40 years from now you can shock somebody with stories about your
Trek 7700 hybrid that only cost $1200, when that person is contemplating a
$24,000 commuting bike with linear-induction motors that use the rims for
rails.
But if you're looking for somebody to tell you that the 7700 is a very nice
bike, ok, I will. Keep in mind I'm totally biased, since I make a living
selling them. But I'll admit to having sold quite a few more than I thought
I would, given the price.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Gunny" <girsatt@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175980114.394979.289660@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
> Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
> be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
> Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
> position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>
> So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
> it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
> Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
> The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
> bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
> 1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
> old.
>
> I guess I can cough up $1,200, but I'd first like to ask here if there
> is anyone who has found a good quality hybrid for less than that, or
> if there is anyone reading this in that has experience with Trek
> Hybrids that would say: just pay it and enjoy it, they are fabulous
> bikes.
>
> Anyway, if you've got time the time to offer your opinions, I'd love
> to hear them.
>
> Many thanks,
> Gunny
>
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 19:46:03
From: Gunny
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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> RANS makes a couple interesting bikes, not a lot of people have seen-
> Go to:http://www.ransbikes.com/
> and look at the "Sport Series", in particular the Fusion and Cruz
> models. I have a Fusion; it's much better comfort than a regular upright
> and it still rides and looks fairly normal. Padded shorts and gloves are
> not necessary to ride it.
>
> Some other bikes that offer a similar riding position for less money are
> the Lightfoot Surefoot, Day6Bicycles (both sold online) and the Sun
> SunRay (sold through dealers only). These are not as
> performance-oriented as the RANS models are and they use a "normal"
> saddle, but ergo-type saddles should work better on these bikes. I
> haven't had any direct experience with them, but these cost less than
> the RANS bikes and (I would bet) can be built into something one could
> turn a lot of miles very comfortably on.
> -----
> It's just my opinion, but if you're after riding comfort, don't buy a
> conventional bicycle of any type--and don't think that spending more
> money will get you a more-comfortable conventional bike, because it
> won't. All that gets you is a /lighter/ bike, but even an expensive,
> lightweight bike will hurt to ride just the same as a cheaper bike would.
> ~
Thanks. I took a look at your suggestions online, but I am gun shy of
recumbent or semi-recumbent type bikes.
I bought a recumbent stationary bike for bad weather days and then I
began having problems with numbness in one of my legs. I went to the
doc and he said it was a back-related problem. If it had been
neuropathy of some sort, he said the numbness would have been
bilateral/in both legs.
My wife asked me when it first began and when I traced it to four or
five months before, she pointed out that I got the recumbent about
six months previously. I got off that bike and stayed off it and
within two weeks, the numbness was gone. Sold it, lost about $200 in
the deal and then got a Greg LeMonde stationary bike which is simply
in a class of its own. A fabulous stationary bike...and it ought to
be. It, too, cost about $1,200 bucks.
Gunny
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 19:32:39
From: Gunny
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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On Apr 7, 7:12 pm, "Rich Clark" <rdclark2S...@TRAPcomcast.net > wrote:
> "Gunny" <girs...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175980114.394979.289660@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
> > Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
> > be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
> > Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
> > position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>
> > So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
> > it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
> > Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
> > The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
> > bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
> > 1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
> > old.
>
> > I guess I can cough up $1,200, but I'd first like to ask here if there
> > is anyone who has found a good quality hybrid for less than that, or
> > if there is anyone reading this in that has experience with Trek
> > Hybrids that would say: just pay it and enjoy it, they are fabulous
> > bikes.
>
> What is it you expect a Trek to do that a Jamis doesn't?
>
> R
Nothing, really. You know how it is: just as with cars, you have one
for a certain number of years and you get a hankering for a new(er)
one. It's one heck of a lot cheaper to indulge this desire for a
newer model with a bike than it is with a car (mine is 15 years old
and I hope to keep it until it hits 20).
Gunny
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 19:25:29
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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Gunny wrote:
> I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
> Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
> be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
> Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
> position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>
> ....
>
> Anyway, if you've got time the time to offer your opinions, I'd love
> to hear them.
>
> Many thanks,
> Gunny
>
RANS makes a couple interesting bikes, not a lot of people have seen-
Go to: http://www.ransbikes.com/
and look at the "Sport Series", in particular the Fusion and Cruz
models. I have a Fusion; it's much better comfort than a regular upright
and it still rides and looks fairly normal. Padded shorts and gloves are
not necessary to ride it.
Some other bikes that offer a similar riding position for less money are
the Lightfoot Surefoot, Day6Bicycles (both sold online) and the Sun
SunRay (sold through dealers only). These are not as
performance-oriented as the RANS models are and they use a "normal"
saddle, but ergo-type saddles should work better on these bikes. I
haven't had any direct experience with them, but these cost less than
the RANS bikes and (I would bet) can be built into something one could
turn a lot of miles very comfortably on.
-----
It's just my opinion, but if you're after riding comfort, don't buy a
conventional bicycle of any type--and don't think that spending more
money will get you a more-comfortable conventional bike, because it
won't. All that gets you is a /lighter/ bike, but even an expensive,
lightweight bike will hurt to ride just the same as a cheaper bike would.
~
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 23:24:43
From:
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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I have 3 Trek bikes so I like them ok but a friend has a Jamis and I
wouldn't say that the Trek is "better quality" than the equivalent
Jamis.
On 7 Apr 2007 14:08:34 -0700, "Gunny" <girsatt@gmail.com > wrote:
>I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
>Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
>be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
>Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
>position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>
>So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
>it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
>Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
>The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
>bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
>1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
>old.
>
>I guess I can cough up $1,200, but I'd first like to ask here if there
>is anyone who has found a good quality hybrid for less than that, or
>if there is anyone reading this in that has experience with Trek
>Hybrids that would say: just pay it and enjoy it, they are fabulous
>bikes.
>
>Anyway, if you've got time the time to offer your opinions, I'd love
>to hear them.
>
>Many thanks,
>Gunny
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 19:12:12
From: Rich Clark
Subject: Re: Trek Hybrids
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"Gunny" <girsatt@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1175980114.394979.289660@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> I've been a biker since I got serious about biking when I lived in
> Belgium some 25 years ago. As I've aged, I've found the road bikes to
> be somewhat unforgiving on arthritic joints so I switched to a Jamis
> Hybrid about five years ago. I'm now used to the more upright
> position and it's quite forgiving to my back, wrist, and elbow joints.
>
> So, I'm ready to upgrage. I liked the Jamis, but I'd like to replace
> it with a better quality bike and today I looked at the Trek line of
> Hybrids at a local bike store and was mildly shocked at the price.
> The Trek 7700 Hybrid was $1,200. Told the young fellow selling the
> bikes that my first car, a Datsun 2000 station wagon, purchased in
> 1968, cost me $2,000 exactly. He was stunned!!! Jeeez, do I feel
> old.
>
> I guess I can cough up $1,200, but I'd first like to ask here if there
> is anyone who has found a good quality hybrid for less than that, or
> if there is anyone reading this in that has experience with Trek
> Hybrids that would say: just pay it and enjoy it, they are fabulous
> bikes.
What is it you expect a Trek to do that a Jamis doesn't?
R
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