| |
Main
Date: 05 Sep 2007 12:44:50
From: jim
Subject: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
Opinions please. Thank you.
|
|
| |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 07:54:44
From: Will
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 7, 8:32 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> ... what made the difference were the slightly-longer chainstays.
Indeed they are longer, not much, 1 cm or so... but it's nice if
you're racking. The flex is a complaint I have never understood, but
then I've never raced. I like vertical compliance, I'd rather feel the
road surface, than shimmy across it.
The fork blades also have more rake/trail than we see today, so the
steering is a tad slower but that mostly reads as less "twitchy", This
is what prompted my thoughts about relaxed handling. You can let go of
the bars and stretch a bit without losing track.
|
| |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 19:35:43
From: Ron Wallenfang
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 7, 11:45 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > > At any rate, I think another point of view deserved an airing. With a
> > > greedy corporate juggernaut such as Trek beating the drums for the
> > > 'other side', I think these guys need all the exposure they can get.
>
> > Could you, please, provide a definition of what this "other side" is, and
> > what makes it so evil?
>
> Did I mention "evil"? Perhaps you have something on your mind?
>
> Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
> relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
> their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting. The side that, in the
> long run, works against the use of bicycles as legitimate means of
> transportation.
>
> As opposed to this:
>
> http://www.labreform/BFC.html
FWIW, i just biked past TREK's main plant in Waterloo, WI this past
Aug. 26. I saw no reserved bike lanes or bike paths. The plant is
located on WI Rte. 19, which has some extra width and is a good bike
riding road. But if TREK has the views you attribute to it, it's been
singularly unsuccessful in its own home town.
|
| | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 20:47:01
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
> FWIW, i just biked past TREK's main plant in Waterloo, WI this past
> Aug. 26. I saw no reserved bike lanes or bike paths. The plant is
> located on WI Rte. 19, which has some extra width and is a good bike
> riding road. But if TREK has the views you attribute to it, it's been
> singularly unsuccessful in its own home town.
Interesting point! Route 19 never bothered me much because it does, as you
note, have a pretty wide shoulder. But near as I recall it's not indicated
as a bike route, or marked as such. Not sure about the town itself. I'll
forward this to the relevant person at Trek and see what she has to say.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Ron Wallenfang" <rwallenfang@wi.rr.com > wrote in message
news:1189218943.185526.150740@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 11:45 am, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 7, 11:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > At any rate, I think another point of view deserved an airing. With a
>> > > greedy corporate juggernaut such as Trek beating the drums for the
>> > > 'other side', I think these guys need all the exposure they can get.
>>
>> > Could you, please, provide a definition of what this "other side" is,
>> > and
>> > what makes it so evil?
>>
>> Did I mention "evil"? Perhaps you have something on your mind?
>>
>> Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
>> relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
>> their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting. The side that, in the
>> long run, works against the use of bicycles as legitimate means of
>> transportation.
>>
>> As opposed to this:
>>
>> http://www.labreform/BFC.html
>
> FWIW, i just biked past TREK's main plant in Waterloo, WI this past
> Aug. 26. I saw no reserved bike lanes or bike paths. The plant is
> located on WI Rte. 19, which has some extra width and is a good bike
> riding road. But if TREK has the views you attribute to it, it's been
> singularly unsuccessful in its own home town.
>
|
| | | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 10:45:22
From: Bonehenge (B A R R Y)
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:47:01 -0700, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
>Interesting point! Route 19 never bothered me much because it does, as you
>note, have a pretty wide shoulder. But near as I recall it's not indicated
>as a bike route, or marked as such.
Did you get to join the giant (sorry, not wrong word. <G > , REALLY
BIG) Lime ride at Trekworld?
|
| | | | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 15:37:32
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
>>Interesting point! Route 19 never bothered me much because it does, as you
>>note, have a pretty wide shoulder. But near as I recall it's not indicated
>>as a bike route, or marked as such.
>
> Did you get to join the giant (sorry, not wrong word. <G> , REALLY
> BIG) Lime ride at Trekworld?
That was pretty wild. Never seen so many (identical) bikes built up at one
time. I went to the first show, so we had great weather, and the ride was a
lot of fun. The folk in the second group (2 days later) got nailed by nasty,
cold rain. They didn't get quite the experience we did!
The effect was perfect though. Bicycles to be used for everyday
transportation, instead of bussing people the 3-4 miles out to where things
were being held that evening. Lots of fun afterward to, cruising through
downtown Madison (the bikes had front & rear lights on them). Quite the
scene.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
|
| | | | | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 19:13:10
From: Bonehenge (B A R R Y)
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:37:32 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
>
>The effect was perfect though. Bicycles to be used for everyday
>transportation, instead of bussing people the 3-4 miles out to where things
>were being held that evening. Lots of fun afterward to, cruising through
>downtown Madison (the bikes had front & rear lights on them). Quite the
>scene.
I heard some of the BMX-able riders were doing some interesting moves
on them, as well. <G >
See that? Limes on the road, not the path...
|
| |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 00:12:46
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 7, 4:58 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Sep 7, 3:49 pm, vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
>
> > Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>
> > > As opposed to this:
>
> > > http://www.labreform/BFC.html
>
> > Maybe that site is off line?
>
> Mea culpa!
>
> http://www.labreform.org/BFC.html
I agree with them to a point. Back in Gothenburg we have dedicated
bicycle roads completely separated from traffic with their own lights--
they're incredible. Of course you're free to use the roadway as well.
My neighborhood here has cycle lanes on a couple major routes, and
they're there simply because there was enough room to paint them. They
were done well. Cycling is up hundredfolds here on the east bank of
the holler, probably due to folks seeing my magnificent bod hauling
dog food in an ancient Timbuk2 bag.
To be honest, I'm more worried about the local evening peloton of
yuppies that fly through stop signs en masse, even when they don't
have the right-of-way. I'm thinking thumbtacks. Beautiful thumbtacks--
even more badass than the pump scene in Breaking Away. Damn Townies.
|
| |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 14:58:55
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 7, 3:49 pm, vey <jun...@ericvey.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>
> > As opposed to this:
>
> > http://www.labreform/BFC.html
>
> Maybe that site is off line?
Mea culpa!
http://www.labreform.org/BFC.html
|
| |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 13:03:55
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 7, 1:18 pm, catzz66 <catz...@threeletterservice.com > wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >>I don't know which is more moving, your wide-eyed enthusiasm or Trek's
> >>corporate altruism!
>
> > Altruism? Hardly. Trek would be the last to claim they're out to make the
> > world a better place for cycling because they're altruistic. They admit
> > up-front that they're in business to sell more bicycles, and making the
> > planet friendlier to bikes is good business. And they, fortunately, are in a
> > position to see the big picture a lot better than most, and to act on it a
> > lot more effectively than most.
>
> Honestly, criticizing Trek for trying to be profitable seems kind of
> silly to me. No company is in business to NOT make a profit unless it
> is some kind of charitable organization.
If you go back and read through the thread, you'll see my reference to
"Trek's corporate altruism" was a satirical remark made after Mike
told me about Trek's magnanimous efforts on the behalf of cycling,
mankind, Mom, the flag, etc., in an earlier post.
|
| |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 09:45:05
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 7, 11:25 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> > At any rate, I think another point of view deserved an airing. With a
> > greedy corporate juggernaut such as Trek beating the drums for the
> > 'other side', I think these guys need all the exposure they can get.
>
> Could you, please, provide a definition of what this "other side" is, and
> what makes it so evil?
Did I mention "evil"? Perhaps you have something on your mind?
Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting. The side that, in the
long run, works against the use of bicycles as legitimate means of
transportation.
As opposed to this:
http://www.labreform/BFC.html
|
| | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 23:48:32
From: Bonehenge (B A R R Y)
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:45:05 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
>relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
>their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting.
My Trek Portland is quite suited for actual roads, and it proves
itself every workday morning.
Bike lanes? Roads? Whatever works for the individual riding the bike.
More bikes = better. Always!
|
| | | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 18:20:50
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
>>Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
>>relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
>>their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting.
>
> My Trek Portland is quite suited for actual roads, and it proves
> itself every workday morning.
>
> Bike lanes? Roads? Whatever works for the individual riding the bike.
>
> More bikes = better. Always!
Amen, brother!
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <DwightSchrute@DunderMifflin.com > wrote in message
news:0mo3e3d7k9ovkm651tm9f5rmo7gocjstpp@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:45:05 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
>>relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
>>their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting.
>
> My Trek Portland is quite suited for actual roads, and it proves
> itself every workday morning.
>
> Bike lanes? Roads? Whatever works for the individual riding the bike.
>
> More bikes = better. Always!
|
| | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 16:37:15
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
>> Could you, please, provide a definition of what this "other side" is, and
>> what makes it so evil?
>
> Did I mention "evil"? Perhaps you have something on your mind?
>
> Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
> relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
> their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting. The side that, in the
> long run, works against the use of bicycles as legitimate means of
> transportation.
>
> As opposed to this:
>
> http://www.labreform/BFC.html
Are you arguing just to argue, or are you actually involved in advocacy in
some manner?
Just because you support bike lanes & paths does not mean you're against
complete access to the roads for cyclists. If you were to visit Trek, you'd
find the majority of its employees would be the sort who'd rebel radically
against an attempt to force anyone onto a multi-use bike path (the worst of
all possible worlds, in my humble opinion, for those of us who ride
competently).
Trek presently makes money selling bikes largely to competent, experienced
cyclists. They're not a stupid company. They're not going to kill the goose
that laid the golden egg.
We can have both. That's what I push for, that's what you should be pushing
for. There's room in this world for all manner of cyclists, not just those
who ride the same as either you or I.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
|
| | | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 17:30:12
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> Could you, please, provide a definition of what this "other side"
>>> is, and what makes it so evil?
{Who wrote???:}
>> Did I mention "evil"? Perhaps you have something on your mind?
>>
>> Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
>> relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
>> their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting. The side that, in the
>> long run, works against the use of bicycles as legitimate means of
>> transportation.
>>
>> As opposed to this:
>>
>> http://www.labreform/BFC.html
> Are you arguing just to argue, or are you actually involved in
> advocacy in some manner?
Mike, why are you protecting (hiding) this person's identity? Shall I
assume it's Ozark (or some other long-ago plonkee)?
Bill "quotation, please" S.
{rest relegated to the bike path...}
|
| | | | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 18:19:55
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
>> Are you arguing just to argue, or are you actually involved in
>> advocacy in some manner?
>
> Mike, why are you protecting (hiding) this person's identity? Shall I
> assume it's Ozark (or some other long-ago plonkee)?
>
> Bill "quotation, please" S.
Bill: Sorry, in my haste to keep the relevant portion of text brief, I
clipped too much. Yes, this is a conversation with Ozark.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote in message
news:46e1ed13$0$4031$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>>> Could you, please, provide a definition of what this "other side"
>>>> is, and what makes it so evil?
>
> {Who wrote???:}
>
>>> Did I mention "evil"? Perhaps you have something on your mind?
>>>
>>> Your Freudian slips aside, the 'other side' is the side that wants to
>>> relegate bicycles to bike lanes, bike paths, etc. The side Trek, in
>>> their quest to sell more bikes, is supporting. The side that, in the
>>> long run, works against the use of bicycles as legitimate means of
>>> transportation.
>>>
>>> As opposed to this:
>>>
>>> http://www.labreform/BFC.html
>
>> Are you arguing just to argue, or are you actually involved in
>> advocacy in some manner?
>
> Mike, why are you protecting (hiding) this person's identity? Shall I
> assume it's Ozark (or some other long-ago plonkee)?
>
> Bill "quotation, please" S.
>
> {rest relegated to the bike path...}
>
|
| | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 16:49:15
From: vey
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>
> As opposed to this:
>
> http://www.labreform/BFC.html
Maybe that site is off line?
|
| |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 06:57:41
From: Will
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, catzz66 <catz...@threeletterservice.com > wrote:
> Hud wrote:
> I see a lot of older Treks
> still on the road.
The Trek sport touring bikes from the mid-80s are great commuters:
relaxed geometry, butted 531, Shimano 600 groups. My only beef is tire
clearance. You can fender them up nicely... but you cannot get fatter
tires on them.
|
| | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 18:32:19
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
>> I see a lot of older Treks
>> still on the road.
>
> The Trek sport touring bikes from the mid-80s are great commuters:
> relaxed geometry, butted 531, Shimano 600 groups. My only beef is tire
> clearance. You can fender them up nicely... but you cannot get fatter
> tires on them.
The real beauty to those bikes wasn't "relaxed" geometry in terms of angles;
they were pretty much conventional road-race geometry that way. But what
made the difference were the slightly-longer chainstays. Longer chainstays
do awesome things for a bike, but everybody's gone "short", probably because
they think bikes with the rear wheel almost hitting the seat tube look cool.
Back in the day, there was a downside to the longer chainstays- increased
flex. How ironic that we're currently using materials that can control that
much better, and yet we've all but abandoned the idea of longer chainstays
for general purpose bikes.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Will" <waller.william@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189173461.486846.7790@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 6, 12:49 pm, catzz66 <catz...@threeletterservice.com> wrote:
>> Hud wrote:
>
>> I see a lot of older Treks
>> still on the road.
>
> The Trek sport touring bikes from the mid-80s are great commuters:
> relaxed geometry, butted 531, Shimano 600 groups. My only beef is tire
> clearance. You can fender them up nicely... but you cannot get fatter
> tires on them.
>
|
| |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 05:52:09
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 6, 11:25 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
<snip >
>
> >> > For info on bicycle-friendly
> >> > communities-http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/communities/
>
> > And for another point of view:
>
> >http://www.labreform.org/BFC.html
>
> I have my doubts that Mr Oswald & Hoffman have actually been to one of the
> DC Bike Summits.
Perhaps you should ask them.
At any rate, I think another point of view deserved an airing. With a
greedy corporate juggernaut such as Trek beating the drums for the
'other side', I think these guys need all the exposure they can get.
>
|
| | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 09:25:16
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
> At any rate, I think another point of view deserved an airing. With a
> greedy corporate juggernaut such as Trek beating the drums for the
> 'other side', I think these guys need all the exposure they can get.
Could you, please, provide a definition of what this "other side" is, and
what makes it so evil?
Is it something that happens when you get "too big?" How big would that be?
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
|
| |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 19:33:33
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 6, 9:26 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 8:59 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Have you been attending the DC Bike Summits? They're held each year in
> > >> March. It's a great way to do something, as an individual, that can make
> > >> a
> > >> real difference for cycling, both nationally and locally.
>
> > > Do tell.......
>
> > Do I need to, or are you being sarcastic?
>
> I wanted to get your "take" on things.
>
> > The DC Bike Summit has zero to do
> > with people on fancy bikes riding centuries; it's all about making the
> > places you live better for short bike trips, encouraging kids to ride to
> > school, making sure roads aren't built in a manner that virtually excludes
> > cyclists... about as non-elitist as you can imagine. I would have thought
> > you'd have already been involved in that sort of thing in your community.
> > Thus my wondering if you're being sarcastic.
>
> > For info on bicycle-friendly communities-http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/communities/
And for another point of view:
http://www.labreform.org/BFC.html
|
| | |
Date: 09 Sep 2007 01:48:04
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
In article <1189305730.668433.253020@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >,
jim <jimr18@netzero.net > writes:
> After All This I STILL NEED HELP....
> Back to my original question.
> Trek Lime or Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 21.
> I want this bike for exercise. Haven't been on a bike for 20 years.
> Enjoyed going 15-20 miles then. Looking for comfort and stability..so
> the flat foot concept appeals to me.
A '70's Bike-Boom Sekine or Apollo will fill your bill then.
The flat saddles that came on those were good enough, and
much more comfy than the contoured manifestations of evil
proffered today.
Stem shifters are easy. Using them makes your steering
squiggle a very little, but so what?
Those ol' lugged frames are beauties.
Parts are still available, and thrifty. Even
27" wheels. I /do/ love the Suzue one-piece,
wide-flanged hubs of the latter-day era.
I'm also becoming enamoured with /steel/ curly
drop bars. Those things cry out for brown
organic tape.
I believe what you picture, and therefore desire,
is a '60s or '70s "10-speed". If so, I encourage
you to follow that dream. Those generally were
good bikes. Getting back onto one of those might
be a Blast From the Past for ya, and you'll be
pleasantly, nostalgically ... you know. I know.
I've been there myself.
Get yourself a $20 or $40 Apollo or Sekine or Schwinn
or whatever you remember, from a thrift shop or whatever.
There are lots of 'em around. Ride it around, have fun,
and let it remind you of where you came from, and what
from your past made you what you are today. That's how
I enjoy riding, myself. Riding in my advanced years
keeps me in touch with my less-advanced years :-)
The old cruiser-style balloon-tired bikes with
curvy, cantilevered, dual top-tubes have regained
some popularity. I must say, whitewalls /do/
look smart.
You have all kinds of options at your avail.
Only /you/ can choose for yourself. But I intuit
you're looking for a bike similar to something from
your past, and I assure you -- that, or something
like it, is still around.
Older bikes are not necessarily junk.
And I reiterate -- those ol' cross-hatched pleather
flat saddles on the 70's Bike Boom bikes are
wonderful. Especially if you luck-out and get one
with the chromed coil springs in the rear (and they're
not too squeaky.)
cheers,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
|
| | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 19:42:10
From: jim
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
After All This I STILL NEED HELP....
Back to my original question.
Trek Lime or Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 21.
I want this bike for exercise. Haven't been on a bike for 20 years.
Enjoyed going 15-20 miles then. Looking for comfort and stability..so
the flat foot concept appeals to me. Is the three speed of the Lime so
limiting that I should only look at the Trek Pure Sport and the
Electra Townie 21???
Spechs for Trek Pure Sport..and geometry:
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/pure/puresport/
Spechs of Electra Townie 21:
http://www.electrabike.com/townie/
Spechs of Trek LIme and geometry:
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/2008/bike_path/lime/lime/
|
| | | |
Date: 09 Sep 2007 07:13:27
From: Bonehenge (B A R R Y)
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:42:10 -0700, jim <jimr18@netzero.net > wrote:
>After All This I STILL NEED HELP....
>Back to my original question.
>Trek Lime or Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 21.
>I want this bike for exercise. Haven't been on a bike for 20 years.
>Enjoyed going 15-20 miles then. Looking for comfort and stability..
How did either feel when you rode them? What did YOU like and dislike
about either bike? There are no wrong answers.
I'm not breaking 'em off on you, I pose the identical questions to a
face to face customer.
Didn't ride them? Do it! Not in stock? Ask the LBS who normally
carries each brand to order one in your size for a test ride.
|
| | |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 21:25:59
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
>> > The DC Bike Summit has zero to do
>> > with people on fancy bikes riding centuries; it's all about making the
>> > places you live better for short bike trips, encouraging kids to ride
>> > to
>> > school, making sure roads aren't built in a manner that virtually
>> > excludes
>> > cyclists... about as non-elitist as you can imagine. I would have
>> > thought
>> > you'd have already been involved in that sort of thing in your
>> > community.
>> > Thus my wondering if you're being sarcastic.
>>
>> > For info on bicycle-friendly
>> > communities-http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/communities/
>
>
> And for another point of view:
>
> http://www.labreform.org/BFC.html
I have my doubts that Mr Oswald & Hoffman have actually been to one of the
DC Bike Summits.
Their primary concern is that the LAB has, to a large extent, moved away
from the John Forrester view that bicycles don't need anything special; they
should simply be ridden exactly as a car would use the same road. The issue,
to them, is education... that the cyclist needs to learn how to effectively
compete with other vehicular traffic.
To a large extent Mr. Forrester is correct, in that that's exactly how *I*
ride. If I am in the flow of traffic, if I'm where a car would normally be,
guess what? I'm more visible, because that's where the motorist is looking.
Cars don't intimidate me, and I have very few run-ins with them. BUT... I'm
6', I've been riding all my life, I'm strong enough to accelerate out of
trouble, yada yada yada. For me, a bike path is way down my list of fun
places to ride (you can see my thread in ba.bicycles on this).
But I'm not the typical cyclist on the street. I'm not the person commuting
to work on a Murray with two nearly-flat tires. I'm not the 8 year old kid
riding to school. I'm not the mid-30s-40s housewife who thinks it's too
dangerous to ride 6 blocks to the grocery store. The effective cyclist crowd
would like to believe the only thing those folk need is education, and all
will be well. Maybe. Maybe if we got to them in grade school (obviously
we've still got a shot with that 8 year old!) (although we'll scare the crap
out of their parents when they come home from school and tell mom & dad that
they're supposed to use the left turn lane instead of the crosswalk...). But
overall, the focus of the effective cycling crowd is best for people who are
already doing a fair amount of riding and actually care about improving
their skill levels.
There are a whole lot of people left out by that mission. Unless you somehow
force education on the masses (and how are you going to do that in this day
& age, if it's not related to test scores that people care about?), you're
ignoring the fact, not theory, that a lot of people are too scared to get
out there and ride because they're afraid of cars. They feel safer, more
protected, when they're on either a separate bike path or a high-quality
bike lane. And they have a pathological fear of their kids getting killed by
a car, and no amount of safe-rider education will convince them otherwise.
That's where the current focus kicks in. Safe Routes to Schools is a hugely
popular program that identifies and helps create neighborhood routes to
schools (guess that's obvious). There's both safety in numbers (when you
have the kids taking designated routes) *and* essentially a marketing
phenomenon, where people seeing kids out riding encourages more kids to ride
to school.
Complete Streets is probably my favorite program, because I've seen scores
of highway building and reconstruction projects where nobody thought about
how cyclists would be affected. Complete Streets seeks to make it a
requirement that cyclists needs are looked into first, with exceptions
needed to exclude them, rather than the current system where, if cycling is
taking into account, it's an afterthought (with no recourse for someone
protesting the plan). A few will argue that there should be *no* special
accommodations for cyclists, because doing so reinforces the idea that we're
2nd-class citizens, and that the real issue is simply guaranteed access to
all roadways, period. Obviously I'm not in that camp (although I'm
vehemently opposed to any roadway I'm not allowed to ride when the
alternative is considerably less efficient).
Etc etc etc. Unquestionably, the current LAB is not the same organization as
the LAW that preceded it. It's goals are quite different; it's no longer a
big member-services organization, and it's focus has indeed changed
radically, from education to lobbying for better laws & roadways & bike
paths. Both are needed, but for different people. I, personally, need my
rights to the road protected, and would fight tooth & nail against any
project that would take me off a normal road and force me onto a bike path.
But there are many, many more people who need that bike path or bike lane. I
do not feel that one has to exclude the other. Perhaps those who feel the
LAB has become something whose vision they no longer share can create a new
organization that does.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
|
| |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 19:26:15
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 6, 8:59 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> >> Have you been attending the DC Bike Summits? They're held each year in
> >> March. It's a great way to do something, as an individual, that can make
> >> a
> >> real difference for cycling, both nationally and locally.
>
> > Do tell.......
>
> Do I need to, or are you being sarcastic?
I wanted to get your "take" on things.
> The DC Bike Summit has zero to do
> with people on fancy bikes riding centuries; it's all about making the
> places you live better for short bike trips, encouraging kids to ride to
> school, making sure roads aren't built in a manner that virtually excludes
> cyclists... about as non-elitist as you can imagine. I would have thought
> you'd have already been involved in that sort of thing in your community.
> Thus my wondering if you're being sarcastic.
>
> For info on bicycle-friendly communities-http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/communities/
There are alot of people who think the LAB took a "wrong turn" when it
dedicated it's efforts in this direction:
http://www.labreform.org/
>
>
|
| |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 18:08:48
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 6, 6:25 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> > I don't know which is more moving, your wide-eyed enthusiasm or Trek's
> > corporate altruism!
>
> Altruism? Hardly. Trek would be the last to claim they're out to make the
> world a better place for cycling because they're altruistic. They admit
> up-front that they're in business to sell more bicycles, and making the
> planet friendlier to bikes is good business. And they, fortunately, are in a
> position to see the big picture a lot better than most, and to act on it a
> lot more effectively than most.
I guess the "wide-eyed enthusiasm" wins, eh?
>
> Have you been attending the DC Bike Summits? They're held each year in
> March. It's a great way to do something, as an individual, that can make a
> real difference for cycling, both nationally and locally.
Do tell.......
>
> > In either case, I'm glad I didn't have any solid food food for several
> > hours prior to reading your pro-Trek spam.
>
> Darn. My care package didn't arrive in time.
>
Save the postage, I'm on a BS free diet.
|
| | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 01:59:55
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
>> Have you been attending the DC Bike Summits? They're held each year in
>> March. It's a great way to do something, as an individual, that can make
>> a
>> real difference for cycling, both nationally and locally.
>
> Do tell.......
Do I need to, or are you being sarcastic? The DC Bike Summit has zero to do
with people on fancy bikes riding centuries; it's all about making the
places you live better for short bike trips, encouraging kids to ride to
school, making sure roads aren't built in a manner that virtually excludes
cyclists... about as non-elitist as you can imagine. I would have thought
you'd have already been involved in that sort of thing in your community.
Thus my wondering if you're being sarcastic.
For info on bicycle-friendly communities-
http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/communities/
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1189127328.311179.110250@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 6, 6:25 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>> > I don't know which is more moving, your wide-eyed enthusiasm or Trek's
>> > corporate altruism!
>>
>> Altruism? Hardly. Trek would be the last to claim they're out to make the
>> world a better place for cycling because they're altruistic. They admit
>> up-front that they're in business to sell more bicycles, and making the
>> planet friendlier to bikes is good business. And they, fortunately, are
>> in a
>> position to see the big picture a lot better than most, and to act on it
>> a
>> lot more effectively than most.
>
> I guess the "wide-eyed enthusiasm" wins, eh?
>
>
>>
>> Have you been attending the DC Bike Summits? They're held each year in
>> March. It's a great way to do something, as an individual, that can make
>> a
>> real difference for cycling, both nationally and locally.
>
> Do tell.......
>
>
>>
>> > In either case, I'm glad I didn't have any solid food food for several
>> > hours prior to reading your pro-Trek spam.
>>
>> Darn. My care package didn't arrive in time.
>>
>
> Save the postage, I'm on a BS free diet.
>
|
| | | |
Date: 09 Sep 2007 08:10:00
From: Ron Wallenfang
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 8, 5:45 am, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<DwightSchr...@DunderMifflin.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:47:01 -0700, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
>
> <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >Interesting point! Route 19 never bothered me much because it does, as you
> >note, have a pretty wide shoulder. But near as I recall it's not indicated
> >as a bike route, or marked as such.
>
> Did you get to join the giant (sorry, not wrong word. <G> , REALLY
> BIG) Lime ride at Trekworld?
Near the conclusion of my San Francisco-Milwaukee trip. I took WI HWY
19 from its beginning a little east of Mazomanie to its end at
Watertown. It was never, IIRC, marked as a bike route. The best
riding was the eastern part, from Sun Prairie through Marshall and
Waterloo and on to Watertown. West of Waunakee, it's a very dubious
route: curvy, hilly and narrow, although by Dane County standards,
the auto traffic is light. From Waunakee to Sun Prairie, normal auto
traffic is heavy and road quality varies, Let's just say it helped
that I went through that segment beginning before 6:00 a.m. on a
Sunday morning. (I had stayed overnight at a motel just east of
Waunakee.)
|
| |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 14:33:19
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 6, 12:33 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> >> Why don't you like Trek bicycles?
>
> > Hype and markup. Not that they are bad bikes, but especially on the
> > lower end, they make bikes that about being sold, not ridden. There
> > are plenty of great Trek models, don't get me wrong.
>
> > As far as the big names go, I find Electra, Marin, Kona, Jamis and a
> > few more to make some really neat practical and affordable mainstream
> > shit.
>
> For what it's worth, dealers have significantly greater markup on 2nd-tier
> bike lines than they get for Trek (or Specialized or Giant).
Sure, partially because they are expected to do their own advertising
and promotion. And they have to work harder for the sale in many
cases.
> That's one of
> the reasons such lines are popular with many dealers. In return, the dealer
> gives up the extraordinary tech & warranty support
Now there is a *classic case* of OSAF if ever I saw one!
>, along with marketing
> (which includes Treks 2-wheels/1 world push, found here-http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/trek_life/news/article/490/2007/08/28/...).
>
> You could make the case that part of what you pay for a Trek bicycle or
> accessory goes to pay for their marketing efforts, and you'd be correct. But
> those marketing efforts are doing quite a bit to make the world a bit better
> place for bikes. Just follow the link above to see what they're up to.
>
I don't know which is more moving, your wide-eyed enthusiasm or Trek's
corporate altruism!
In either case, I'm glad I didn't have any solid food food for several
hours prior to reading your pro-Trek spam.
|
| | |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 16:25:11
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
> I don't know which is more moving, your wide-eyed enthusiasm or Trek's
> corporate altruism!
Altruism? Hardly. Trek would be the last to claim they're out to make the
world a better place for cycling because they're altruistic. They admit
up-front that they're in business to sell more bicycles, and making the
planet friendlier to bikes is good business. And they, fortunately, are in a
position to see the big picture a lot better than most, and to act on it a
lot more effectively than most.
Have you been attending the DC Bike Summits? They're held each year in
March. It's a great way to do something, as an individual, that can make a
real difference for cycling, both nationally and locally.
> In either case, I'm glad I didn't have any solid food food for several
> hours prior to reading your pro-Trek spam.
Darn. My care package didn't arrive in time.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1189114399.821701.142770@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 6, 12:33 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >> Why don't you like Trek bicycles?
>>
>> > Hype and markup. Not that they are bad bikes, but especially on the
>> > lower end, they make bikes that about being sold, not ridden. There
>> > are plenty of great Trek models, don't get me wrong.
>>
>> > As far as the big names go, I find Electra, Marin, Kona, Jamis and a
>> > few more to make some really neat practical and affordable mainstream
>> > shit.
>>
>> For what it's worth, dealers have significantly greater markup on
>> 2nd-tier
>> bike lines than they get for Trek (or Specialized or Giant).
>
> Sure, partially because they are expected to do their own advertising
> and promotion. And they have to work harder for the sale in many
> cases.
>
>
>> That's one of
>> the reasons such lines are popular with many dealers. In return, the
>> dealer
>> gives up the extraordinary tech & warranty support
>
> Now there is a *classic case* of OSAF if ever I saw one!
>
>
>>, along with marketing
>> (which includes Treks 2-wheels/1 world push, found
>> here-http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/trek_life/news/article/490/2007/08/28/...).
>>
>> You could make the case that part of what you pay for a Trek bicycle or
>> accessory goes to pay for their marketing efforts, and you'd be correct.
>> But
>> those marketing efforts are doing quite a bit to make the world a bit
>> better
>> place for bikes. Just follow the link above to see what they're up to.
>>
>
> I don't know which is more moving, your wide-eyed enthusiasm or Trek's
> corporate altruism!
>
> In either case, I'm glad I didn't have any solid food food for several
> hours prior to reading your pro-Trek spam.
>
|
| | | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 07:26:15
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 8, 8:14 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 8, 8:06 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > What's the Italian for "fucking clueless newbie"?
>
> Babelfish gives me this, which is in the ball park:
>
> "Stupido cyclist inesperto maledetto"
>
> :-D
Perhaps Sergio can provide a pronunciation guide? :)
|
| | | |
Date: 07 Sep 2007 13:18:17
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>I don't know which is more moving, your wide-eyed enthusiasm or Trek's
>>corporate altruism!
>
>
> Altruism? Hardly. Trek would be the last to claim they're out to make the
> world a better place for cycling because they're altruistic. They admit
> up-front that they're in business to sell more bicycles, and making the
> planet friendlier to bikes is good business. And they, fortunately, are in a
> position to see the big picture a lot better than most, and to act on it a
> lot more effectively than most.
>
>
Honestly, criticizing Trek for trying to be profitable seems kind of
silly to me. No company is in business to NOT make a profit unless it
is some kind of charitable organization.
|
| |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 01:36:27
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 5, 7:02 pm, "Hud" <hud_o...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189029032.624774.110640@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 5, 2:44 pm, jim <jim...@netzero.net> wrote:
> >> Opinions please. Thank you.
>
> > I don't personally like any of them. The Lime is the only one with
> > reasonable geometry in my opinion. However--I have friends that love
> > their Electras, that combined with the fair price and the simple fact
> > that it's not a trek, gets my endorsement--if it's between those
> > three.
>
> > If you want easy mounting, I'd go for a European low step through bike
> > like a Biria--it's made for actual riding, not looking groovy in a
> > bike shop window.
>
> > Alternately, Dahon folding bikes are very affordable, have a low step
> > over, and the portability means you'll bring them with you more often.
>
> Why don't you like Trek bicycles?
Hype and markup. Not that they are bad bikes, but especially on the
lower end, they make bikes that about being sold, not ridden. There
are plenty of great Trek models, don't get me wrong.
As far as the big names go, I find Electra, Marin, Kona, Jamis and a
few more to make some really neat practical and affordable mainstream
shit.
|
| | |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 10:33:33
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
>> Why don't you like Trek bicycles?
>
> Hype and markup. Not that they are bad bikes, but especially on the
> lower end, they make bikes that about being sold, not ridden. There
> are plenty of great Trek models, don't get me wrong.
>
> As far as the big names go, I find Electra, Marin, Kona, Jamis and a
> few more to make some really neat practical and affordable mainstream
> shit.
For what it's worth, dealers have significantly greater markup on 2nd-tier
bike lines than they get for Trek (or Specialized or Giant). That's one of
the reasons such lines are popular with many dealers. In return, the dealer
gives up the extraordinary tech & warranty support, along with marketing
(which includes Treks 2-wheels/1 world push, found here-
http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/trek_life/news/article/490/2007/08/28/trek_launches_one_world_two_wheels).
You could make the case that part of what you pay for a Trek bicycle or
accessory goes to pay for their marketing efforts, and you'd be correct. But
those marketing efforts are doing quite a bit to make the world a bit better
place for bikes. Just follow the link above to see what they're up to.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
|
| | | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 13:14:54
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 8, 8:06 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> What's the Italian for "fucking clueless newbie"?
Babelfish gives me this, which is in the ball park:
"Stupido cyclist inesperto maledetto"
:-D
|
| | | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 06:06:44
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 8, 7:56 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 8, 6:47 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > Monday, I was riding with a friend, when a group of 15-20 riders were
> > going the other way. They were riding 2-3 abreast, taking the entire
> > lane of a two lane road. Traffic was backing up behind them and they
> > were not yielding an inch. Totally irresponsible. And then they wonder
> > why motorists get hostile.
>
> Yeah, sounds like the yupeloton. I've yelled at them a couple times
> before, "hey man, yield to the car" and such and basically gotten,
> "It's none of your fukin' business" or just an FU-
I called out: "Cars back, single file!" and got blank stares.
My immediate concern, of course, is a totally pissed off motorist
pulling out to pass and causing a problem for me and friend. Long
term, the hostility can come back to haunt cyclists when they're
riding alone......
>-and I've tried to
> explain that when they change motorists perception of bicyclists into
> adversaries--that's something that affects me personally.
Yep.
> Thus, I'm
> thinking thumbtacks and a snarky phrase uttered in Italian,
What's the Italian for "fucking clueless newbie"?
>probably
> about their mother--but I might go extra patty with cheese, which
> would be to insult their entire ancestral tree before I deploy the
> IED.
|
| |
Date: 05 Sep 2007 21:50:32
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 5, 2:44 pm, jim <jim...@netzero.net > wrote:
> Opinions please. Thank you.
I don't personally like any of them. The Lime is the only one with
reasonable geometry in my opinion. However--I have friends that love
their Electras, that combined with the fair price and the simple fact
that it's not a trek, gets my endorsement--if it's between those
three.
If you want easy mounting, I'd go for a European low step through bike
like a Biria--it's made for actual riding, not looking groovy in a
bike shop window.
Alternately, Dahon folding bikes are very affordable, have a low step
over, and the portability means you'll bring them with you more often.
|
| | |
Date: 05 Sep 2007 20:02:15
From: Hud
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
"landotter" <landotter@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189029032.624774.110640@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 2:44 pm, jim <jim...@netzero.net> wrote:
>> Opinions please. Thank you.
>
> I don't personally like any of them. The Lime is the only one with
> reasonable geometry in my opinion. However--I have friends that love
> their Electras, that combined with the fair price and the simple fact
> that it's not a trek, gets my endorsement--if it's between those
> three.
>
>
> If you want easy mounting, I'd go for a European low step through bike
> like a Biria--it's made for actual riding, not looking groovy in a
> bike shop window.
>
> Alternately, Dahon folding bikes are very affordable, have a low step
> over, and the portability means you'll bring them with you more often.
>
Why don't you like Trek bicycles? Just curious. And what kind of bikes do
you like?
|
| | | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 12:56:27
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 8, 6:47 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> Monday, I was riding with a friend, when a group of 15-20 riders were
> going the other way. They were riding 2-3 abreast, taking the entire
> lane of a two lane road. Traffic was backing up behind them and they
> were not yielding an inch. Totally irresponsible. And then they wonder
> why motorists get hostile.
Yeah, sounds like the yupeloton. I've yelled at them a couple times
before, "hey man, yield to the car" and such and basically gotten,
"It's none of your fukin' business" or just an FU--and I've tried to
explain that when they change motorists perception of bicyclists into
adversaries--that's something that affects me personally. Thus, I'm
thinking thumbtacks and a snarky phrase uttered in Italian, probably
about their mother--but I might go extra patty with cheese, which
would be to insult their entire ancestral tree before I deploy the
IED.
|
| | | |
Date: 08 Sep 2007 04:47:54
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
On Sep 7, 7:12 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 7, 4:58 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 7, 3:49 pm, vey <jun...@ericvey.com> wrote:
>
> > > Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>
> > > > As opposed to this:
>
> > > > http://www.labreform/BFC.html
>
> > > Maybe that site is off line?
>
> > Mea culpa!
>
> >http://www.labreform.org/BFC.html
>
> I agree with them to a point. Back in Gothenburg we have dedicated
> bicycle roads completely separated from traffic with their own lights--
> they're incredible. Of course you're free to use the roadway as well.
That's part of the potential problem, IMO. The US mentality often
becomes: "Use the bike path, get off the road" in places with such
facilities. I have encountered this myself, including an incident with
a police officer years ago.
IMHO, the best approach is to make cycling accepted as a normal,
mainstream form of transportation and recreation, always recognizing
the cyclists have the same rights and *responsibilities* as do
motorists.
> My neighborhood here has cycle lanes on a couple major routes, and
> they're there simply because there was enough room to paint them. They
> were done well. Cycling is up hundredfolds here on the east bank of
> the holler, probably due to folks seeing my magnificent bod hauling
> dog food in an ancient Timbuk2 bag.
>
> To be honest, I'm more worried about the local evening peloton of
> yuppies that fly through stop signs en masse, even when they don't
> have the right-of-way. I'm thinking thumbtacks. Beautiful thumbtacks--
> even more badass than the pump scene in Breaking Away. Damn Townies.
That's a matter of educating the cyclists and enforcing laws, is it
not?
Monday, I was riding with a friend, when a group of 15-20 riders were
going the other way. They were riding 2-3 abreast, taking the entire
lane of a two lane road. Traffic was backing up behind them and they
were not yielding an inch. Totally irresponsible. And then they wonder
why motorists get hostile.
|
| | | |
Date: 06 Sep 2007 12:49:58
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: Trek Pure Sport or Electra Townie 28 or Trek Lime ???
|
Hud wrote:
>
> Why don't you like Trek bicycles? Just curious. And what kind of bikes
> do you like?
I would personally not worry about brands so much. If you don't like
the bike, don't buy it. A good suggestion might be to find a good bike
rental place and rent some of these before you buy.
Trek seems to try and broadly place itself in the market a little more
than some of the others. I am not a fan of cruisers or mountain bikes,
but they make some very nice road bikes. I see a lot of older Treks
still on the road. That's the kind of thing I looked for when I was
shopping around. At least with the big name brands, you can usually
find what you are looking for in the price range you can afford.
|
|
