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Date: 12 Apr 2007 12:26:48
From: Sojourner
Subject: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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Last fall I reported having neck pain on my new Terry bicycle after
about 40 miles of riding.
Several posters suggested the neck pain I was suffering on my new
Terry Bike was because the bike didn't fit. (The argument was along
the lines of, if your bike REALLY fit you wouldn't be getting any neck
pain, ergo since you are getting neck pain the bike obviously doesn't
fit and you're an idiot for thinking that it does). Note that on any
bike I've ever owned before, I could barely stand to be on it for 25
miles, let alone long enough to develop neck pain at the 40 mile mark.
One poster hit the nail on the head - it wasn't the bike, it was how I
was positioning myself on it and how I was riding.
After a lifetime of riding bikes that didn't fit, when I finally got a
bike that DID fit, I didn't know how to properly position myself on
it. I had to break myself of all the bad habits I had developed from
a lifetime of riding bikes that didn't fit. Such as the tendency to
scoot forward on the nose of the seat and to try to balance myself on
my feet and hands (since I couldn't really SIT on the seat on the old
didn't-fit-bikes because the forward reach was too long).
I put 30 to 60 miles a day on this Terry. Before I got the Terry, the
furthest I wanted to ride was about 25 miles - after that, it started
to hurt. I could force myself to ride further (and did, for the MS
150), but it hurt, and I wouldn't do it by choice. On the Terry,
distance is limited only by the amount of time I have to ride. Once I
re-learned how to position myself on the bike PROPERLY, the neck pain
I was having after about 40 miles has disappeared.
It is not only the geometry of the bike that makes the difference,
although that is certainly the major factor (there is no bike other
than the Terry on the market that has the proper combination of top
tube length and standover height, not even the so-called "woman
specific designs"), but also the components. The narrower handle
bars, the short reach brakes and the shorter cranks also made a hugely
noticeable difference for me, especially the levers - I can now get
real leverage on my brakes and stopping power is just hugely
improved. The first few times I went for the brake levers on the
Terry, I about catapulted myself out of the seat. With standard
levers, I could never get a good enough grip on the levers. It takes
a lot less effort to get the same stopping power now that I can
actually "get a grip", LOL!
I'm looking into getting a Terry hybrid in addition to my Madeleine as
I am moving to WV where there appears to be more trail than there is
pavement. (That means gravel or wood-chipped easy trails, not mud-and-
muck-into-the-ravine sort of trail-riding).
I love my Terry, and I bless the day I got it. Riding is a whole new
experience for me now. I still occasionally struggle with bad habits
from the bad old days of didn't-fit-me-bikes, but I'm getting there.
Sojourner
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Date: 17 Apr 2007 20:05:57
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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In article <v9iff4-h0u.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org >,
Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu > writes:
> Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anyways, I find nothing wrong with women-specific wares.
>> Why should half the world's population have to settle for
>> stuff made for the other sex?
>
> Rabblerousing nonsense at it's finest. First it's arguing that women
> should be catered to. Next you'll be arguing for the rights of the
> sinister cack handed contingent. After that we'll be inundated with
> requests to pander to every milksop Red Socialist pinko commie wimp with
> a whining agenda out there!
>
> Fie, Fie I say!
>
> Why, next you'll tell me we should let electric bikes grace the roads of
> our fair metropolises!
>
> /me removes mis-everything-ist hat
>
> That thing smarts! There's hardly any room in that thing.
LOL :-)
I'm all for legalizing absinthe, too.
Here's something pertinent to the topic. Maybe Sojourner
(the Original Poster) might derive something nice from it:
http://tinyurl.com/297k7v
in full:
<http://bikeportland.org/2007/04/17/women-meet-to-tackle-cyclings-gender-divide/ >
cheers,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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Date: 16 Apr 2007 17:18:41
From: Veloise
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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On Apr 16, 8:35 am, bcrow...@excite.com wrote:
> Congratulations, you have just purchased a bike "Made By Women, For
> Women". Now you just need to find bicycle clothing, accessories,
> tires, tubes, a road and a planet made by Women, for Women and you'll
> be all set!
Thank you, Mr. Imus.
--Karen D.
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Date: 16 Apr 2007 13:06:06
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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In article <1176726925.824975.80960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com >,
bcrowell@excite.com writes:
> Congratulations, you have just purchased a bike "Made By Women, For
> Women".
She got her fit problems sorted out, anyway. Now we've
got another happy fellow rider amongst us. That's great!
> Now you just need to find bicycle clothing, accessories,
> tires, tubes, a road and a planet made by Women, for Women and you'll
> be all set!
My Aunt Olga drove a grader for a while. She just
made roads for everybody. Aw, she was a beauty.
Didn't ride a bike, but she was one of the best
cooks ever born. She was my personal 911 for bailing
me out of culinary emergencies. More than that, she
was a constant ray of sunshine.
Anyways, I find nothing wrong with women-specific wares.
Why should half the world's population have to settle for
stuff made for the other sex?
I don't even find much wrong with political feminism.
It's all too easy for us guys to become complacent, and
take women's contributions for granted, in a men's
made-to-measure world. So I ain't gonna begrudge women
having stuff available that acknowledges and addresses
their needs.
I look at this way: if all women suddenly turned into
men, this would be a really crummy world. It would
probably end up smelling like a gym locker.
cheers, & vive la difference,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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Date: 17 Apr 2007 12:03:59
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> Anyways, I find nothing wrong with women-specific wares.
> Why should half the world's population have to settle for
> stuff made for the other sex?
Rabblerousing nonsense at it's finest. First it's arguing that women
should be catered to. Next you'll be arguing for the rights of the
sinister cack handed contingent. After that we'll be inundated with
requests to pander to every milksop Red Socialist pinko commie wimp with
a whining agenda out there!
Fie, Fie I say!
Why, next you'll tell me we should let electric bikes grace the roads of
our fair metropolises!
/me removes mis-everything-ist hat
That thing smarts! There's hardly any room in that thing.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
Chameleon circuits rule- my other TARDIS is two Porches and a Lamborghini!
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Date: 18 Apr 2007 17:49:00
From: nash
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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"Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu > wrote in message
news:v9iff4-h0u.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
> Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anyways, I find nothing wrong with women-specific wares.
>> Why should half the world's population have to settle for
>> stuff made for the other sex?
>
> Rabblerousing nonsense at it's finest. First it's arguing that women
> should be catered to. Next you'll be arguing for the rights of the
> sinister cack handed contingent. After that we'll be inundated with
> requests to pander to every milksop Red Socialist pinko commie wimp with
> a whining agenda out there!
>
> Fie, Fie I say!
>
> Why, next you'll tell me we should let electric bikes grace the roads of
> our fair metropolises!
>
> /me removes mis-everything-ist hat
>
> That thing smarts! There's hardly any room in that thing.
>
> --
> Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
> Chameleon circuits rule- my other TARDIS is two Porches and a Lamborghini!
So you are saying the male population would have no problem riding only
female fit bikes. A bike that does not even fit. Fit is the most important
thing I think for power transfer and comfort but that should not bother our
little brains eh?
That is all this group talks about is fit meaning male fit. Like the other
half does not even exist.
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Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:58:30
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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nash <zwepytzkehillc9@jetable.net > wrote:
> "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
>> Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyways, I find nothing wrong with women-specific wares. Why should
>>> half the world's population have to settle for stuff made for the
>>> other sex?
>>
>> Rabblerousing nonsense at it's finest. First it's arguing that women
>> should be catered to. Next you'll be arguing for the rights of the
>> sinister cack handed contingent. After that we'll be inundated with
>> requests to pander to every milksop Red Socialist pinko commie wimp
>> with a whining agenda out there!
>>
>> Fie, Fie I say!
>>
>> Why, next you'll tell me we should let electric bikes grace the roads
>> of our fair metropolises!
>>
>> /me removes mis-everything-ist hat
>>
>> That thing smarts! There's hardly any room in that thing.
>
> So you are saying the male population would have no problem riding
> only female fit bikes.
Actually that would just ducky for me. I have long legs and a shorter
trunk. I currently just compensate by riding a slightly smaller frame
with a longer seatpost and a shorter stem.
> A bike that does not even fit. Fit is the most important thing I
> think for power transfer and comfort but that should not bother our
> little brains eh? That is all this group talks about is fit meaning
> male fit. Like the other half does not even exist.
Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't eat babies!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in
this century's history But we all lived in this century. I didn't live
in this century." -Dan Quayle
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Date: 21 Apr 2007 14:03:16
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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"nash" <zwepytzkehillc9@jetable.net > wrote in message
news:gSsVh.92371$6m4.52944@pd7urf1no...
>
> "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
> news:v9iff4-h0u.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org...
>> Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyways, I find nothing wrong with women-specific wares.
>>> Why should half the world's population have to settle for
>>> stuff made for the other sex?
>>
>> Rabblerousing nonsense at it's finest. First it's arguing that women
>> should be catered to. Next you'll be arguing for the rights of the
>> sinister cack handed contingent. After that we'll be inundated with
>> requests to pander to every milksop Red Socialist pinko commie wimp with
>> a whining agenda out there!
>>
>> Fie, Fie I say!
>>
>> Why, next you'll tell me we should let electric bikes grace the roads of
>> our fair metropolises!
>>
>> /me removes mis-everything-ist hat
>>
>> That thing smarts! There's hardly any room in that thing.
> So you are saying the male population would have no problem riding only
> female fit bikes.
As Bill S would say, "Whoosh!"
--
Warm Regards,
Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
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Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:54:56
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote:
> "nash" <zwepytzkehillc9@jetable.net> wrote in message
>> "Dane Buson" <dane@unseen.edu> wrote in message
>>> Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, I find nothing wrong with women-specific wares.
>>>> Why should half the world's population have to settle for
>>>> stuff made for the other sex?
>>>
>>> Rabblerousing nonsense at it's finest. First it's arguing that women
>>> should be catered to. Next you'll be arguing for the rights of the
>>> sinister cack handed contingent. After that we'll be inundated with
>>> requests to pander to every milksop Red Socialist pinko commie wimp with
>>> a whining agenda out there!
>>>
>>> Fie, Fie I say!
>>>
>>> Why, next you'll tell me we should let electric bikes grace the roads of
>>> our fair metropolises!
>>>
>>> /me removes mis-everything-ist hat
>>>
>>> That thing smarts! There's hardly any room in that thing.
>
>> So you are saying the male population would have no problem riding only
>> female fit bikes.
>
> As Bill S would say, "Whoosh!"
I *thought* I'd made it obvious for everyone. But maybe I should start
adding a disclaimer to all my posts, for the benefit for of the less
astute among us.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
May contain traces of satire or irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
- Borrowed from Guy Chapman's sig block
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Date: 17 Apr 2007 15:30:13
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:03:59 -0700, Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu >
wrote:
>Rabblerousing nonsense at it's finest. First it's arguing that women
>should be catered to. Next you'll be arguing for the rights of the
>sinister cack handed contingent. After that we'll be inundated with
>requests to pander to every milksop Red Socialist pinko commie wimp with
>a whining agenda out there!
If my wife likes it, I'm for it, as long as I don't have to be there
for the shopping. End of discussion...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 18 Apr 2007 17:54:25
From: nash
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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If my wife likes it, I'm for it, as long as I don't have to be there
for the shopping. End of discussion...
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
yet another male sentiment. The discussion "ends" with him having the last
word. notice any pattern? Total control freak aren't you
What is this, a light speed discussion to the Big Bang. (ie, reverse of why
we are here)
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Date: 18 Apr 2007 17:22:20
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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nash wrote:
> If my wife likes it, I'm for it, as long as I don't have to be there
> for the shopping. End of discussion...
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> yet another male sentiment. The discussion "ends" with him having
> the last word. notice any pattern? Total control freak aren't you
> What is this, a light speed discussion to the Big Bang. (ie, reverse
> of why we are here)
Did you just have a stroke or something?
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Date: 19 Apr 2007 15:47:14
From: nash
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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"Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me > wrote in message
news:4626b64c$0$8987$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> nash wrote:
>> If my wife likes it, I'm for it, as long as I don't have to be there
>> for the shopping. End of discussion...
>>
>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> yet another male sentiment. The discussion "ends" with him having
>> the last word. notice any pattern? Total control freak aren't you
>> What is this, a light speed discussion to the Big Bang. (ie, reverse
>> of why we are here)
>
> Did you just have a stroke or something?
No, but thanks for asking.
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Date: 16 Apr 2007 16:16:43
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:06:06 -0700, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:
>I look at this way: if all women suddenly turned into
>men, this would be a really crummy world. It would
>probably end up smelling like a gym locker.
for the first and last generation. Sad, especially as generating is at
least half the fun.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 16 Apr 2007 05:35:25
From:
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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Congratulations, you have just purchased a bike "Made By Women, For
Women". Now you just need to find bicycle clothing, accessories,
tires, tubes, a road and a planet made by Women, for Women and you'll
be all set!
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Date: 16 Apr 2007 18:24:07
From: Pat
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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<bcrowell@excite.com > wrote in message
news:1176726925.824975.80960@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Congratulations, you have just purchased a bike "Made By Women, For
> Women". Now you just need to find bicycle clothing, accessories,
> tires, tubes, a road and a planet made by Women, for Women and you'll
> be all set!
At first, I thought: This dude hates women! Then, I thought, Why should I
care? then, I decided I didn't need to read any hate stuff. <plonk >
>
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Date: 12 Apr 2007 19:35:44
From: nash
Subject: Re: Update on Terry Bicycle and Neck Pain
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"Sojourner" <notime4spam@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1176406008.306961.103380@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Last fall I reported having neck pain on my new Terry bicycle after
> about 40 miles of riding.
>
> Several posters suggested the neck pain I was suffering on my new
> Terry Bike was because the bike didn't fit. (The argument was along
> the lines of, if your bike REALLY fit you wouldn't be getting any neck
> pain, ergo since you are getting neck pain the bike obviously doesn't
> fit and you're an idiot for thinking that it does). Note that on any
> bike I've ever owned before, I could barely stand to be on it for 25
> miles, let alone long enough to develop neck pain at the 40 mile mark.
>
> One poster hit the nail on the head - it wasn't the bike, it was how I
> was positioning myself on it and how I was riding.
>
> After a lifetime of riding bikes that didn't fit, when I finally got a
> bike that DID fit, I didn't know how to properly position myself on
> it. I had to break myself of all the bad habits I had developed from
> a lifetime of riding bikes that didn't fit. Such as the tendency to
> scoot forward on the nose of the seat and to try to balance myself on
> my feet and hands (since I couldn't really SIT on the seat on the old
> didn't-fit-bikes because the forward reach was too long).
>
> I put 30 to 60 miles a day on this Terry. Before I got the Terry, the
> furthest I wanted to ride was about 25 miles - after that, it started
> to hurt. I could force myself to ride further (and did, for the MS
> 150), but it hurt, and I wouldn't do it by choice. On the Terry,
> distance is limited only by the amount of time I have to ride. Once I
> re-learned how to position myself on the bike PROPERLY, the neck pain
> I was having after about 40 miles has disappeared.
>
> It is not only the geometry of the bike that makes the difference,
> although that is certainly the major factor (there is no bike other
> than the Terry on the market that has the proper combination of top
> tube length and standover height, not even the so-called "woman
> specific designs"), but also the components. The narrower handle
> bars, the short reach brakes and the shorter cranks also made a hugely
> noticeable difference for me, especially the levers - I can now get
> real leverage on my brakes and stopping power is just hugely
> improved. The first few times I went for the brake levers on the
> Terry, I about catapulted myself out of the seat. With standard
> levers, I could never get a good enough grip on the levers. It takes
> a lot less effort to get the same stopping power now that I can
> actually "get a grip", LOL!
>
> I'm looking into getting a Terry hybrid in addition to my Madeleine as
> I am moving to WV where there appears to be more trail than there is
> pavement. (That means gravel or wood-chipped easy trails, not mud-and-
> muck-into-the-ravine sort of trail-riding).
>
> I love my Terry, and I bless the day I got it. Riding is a whole new
> experience for me now. I still occasionally struggle with bad habits
> from the bad old days of didn't-fit-me-bikes, but I'm getting there.
>
> Sojourner
You could be Terry's mascot.
Way to go upgrading to WV.
Never lock joints straight is a good moto.
Also, use full power of leg muscles by almost fully extending, but still
bent at the knee.
Have a good year.
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