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Date: 05 Mar 2007 15:58:37
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Subject: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Hi there!
I need your honest and trusted opinions, guys :-)
I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
around.
Right now I'm considering to buy one of the following 20'' wheels
folding bikes, both from Dahon:
- Dahon Speed P8, 2007 edition.
- Dahon Mu P8, 2007 edition.
What do you suggest to do? What is your suggestions for purchase?
Do you consider the the Speed P8 and/or the Mu P8 a foldable touring
bike worthy to consider? Does the standard gearing of these 20''
wheels bikes is adequate for traveling in presence of hills?
Would you consider any other bike in that price level?
I will greatly appreciate any feedback/suggestion/opinion you would
like to provide me.
Thank you very much!
Cheers,
Dana
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Date: 21 Apr 2007 09:57:42
From:
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On Apr 21, 1:55 am, Zoot Katz <zootk...@operamail.com > wrote:
> On 20 Apr 2007 19:17:58 -0700, frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >In fact, it's ironic - our Fridays, in the cases with the trailer
> >hardware, weigh 51 pounds. It sounds like that's one pound over the
> >per-bag luggage limit, so without removing something, it would incur a
> >surcharge. ($40, I think.) But if we leave them out of the case,
> >they'd be free.
>
> Pack some parts with your other luggage and hope everything arrives
> the same time.
>
> The case will protect the bike better and you might find the trailer
> handy.
Yep. That's our plan.
> What's a couple saddles and pedals wiegh?
We can get it under 50 pounds by removing those plus the handlebar
bags. I'd already made sure of that.
It's a bit of a shame. I'd hoped to have just the bike's case plus a
carry-on. But as long as they don't lose a bag, we'll be fine.
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 19:17:58
From:
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On Apr 20, 7:35 pm, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> frkry...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Regarding that, I got this by e-mail yesterday: Airlines are now
> > charging big bucks for overseas flights. Folding bikes are (so far)
> > supposedly immune.
>
> >http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
>
> I saw this, too. Any confirmation? Their story about "big bucks" does
> not really correlate to the table on that web page, where many airlines
> are still listed as free for overseas flights.
>
> I'm going to be living in Spain (Valencia) for the first half of '08, so
> I really want to know -- do I bring my road bike, buy a folder like a
> Friday, or buy something over there?
We're flying LOT, which is apparently closely affiliated with
Lufthansa. We're taking Bikes Friday, but I was told by phone that
our regular bikes would fly free if we chose.
In fact, it's ironic - our Fridays, in the cases with the trailer
hardware, weigh 51 pounds. It sounds like that's one pound over the
per-bag luggage limit, so without removing something, it would incur a
surcharge. ($40, I think.) But if we leave them out of the case,
they'd be free.
At least, that's how I understand it. I suggest phoning your
candidate airlines and/or scouring their websites to get details.
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 21:55:36
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 20 Apr 2007 19:17:58 -0700, frkrygow@gmail.com wrote:
>In fact, it's ironic - our Fridays, in the cases with the trailer
>hardware, weigh 51 pounds. It sounds like that's one pound over the
>per-bag luggage limit, so without removing something, it would incur a
>surcharge. ($40, I think.) But if we leave them out of the case,
>they'd be free.
Pack some parts with your other luggage and hope everything arrives
the same time.
The case will protect the bike better and you might find the trailer
handy.
What's a couple saddles and pedals wiegh?
--
zk
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 00:00:20
From: Jym Dyer
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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=v= Swift Folder is the only folder that I think is nearly
as good as a Bike Friday. It has more of a top tube.
<_Jym_ >
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Date: 18 Apr 2007 00:52:12
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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In article <t318e4-h16.ln1@curare.zuvembi.homelinux.org >,
Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu > writes:
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:
>>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>>
>>>> If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
>>>> it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
>>>> United.
>>>
>>> No way. My Dahon-in-suitcase arrangement cost me an overcharge of 130¤
>>> on a trip to Czech republic last year.
>>
>> Well American Airlines even states: "Exception: If bicycle and container
>> are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs., the bike is free
>> in place of one 62 inch bag in the free allowance." I expect that other
>> U.S. airlines are the same. Of course there are very few bikes, even
>> folders, that can meet that criteria.
>
> I don't know, I haven't had any problems fitting my old Raleigh Twenty
> into a 62" hard sided suitcase. Of course, I need to get around to
> finish the rebuild of it. Until then it's not going anywhere...
I've gotta get a round tuit, too, to fix up my own Twenty.
It would be nice to get a cash injection so it can all be
done in one shot.
cheers,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
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Date: 24 Apr 2007 12:26:09
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Dane Buson <dane@unseen.edu> writes:
>>
>> I don't know, I haven't had any problems fitting my old Raleigh Twenty
>> into a 62" hard sided suitcase. Of course, I need to get around to
>> finish the rebuild of it. Until then it's not going anywhere...
>
> I've gotta get a round tuit, too, to fix up my own Twenty.
> It would be nice to get a cash injection so it can all be
> done in one shot.
I remember you posting about that one. I had wondered if you'd gotten a chance
to get it running again.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
I find this corpse guilty of carrying a concealed weapon and I fine it $40.
-- Judge Roy Bean, finding a pistol and $40 on a man he'd
just shot.
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Date: 30 Mar 2007 11:10:45
From: bjorn
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 6, 11:20 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> LoredanaVassa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi there!
>
> > I need your honest and trusted opinions, guys :-)
>
> > I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
> > eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
> > fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
> > Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
> > a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
> > around.
>
> > Right now I'm considering to buy one of the following 20'' wheels
> > folding bikes, both from Dahon:
>
> > - Dahon Speed P8, 2007 edition.
> > - Dahon Mu P8, 2007 edition.
>
> > What do you suggest to do? What is your suggestions for purchase?
> > Do you consider the the Speed P8 and/or the Mu P8 a foldable touring
> > bike worthy to consider? Does the standard gearing of these 20''
> > wheels bikes is adequate for traveling in presence of hills?
> > Would you consider any other bike in that price level?
>
> I'd get the Speed or the Mu, but with the upgrades offered by Gaerlan.
>
> For a touring model, the older Speed TR was ideal, but Dahon changed it
> in 2005, worsening it in some ways. Gaerlan has modified the Speed P8 or
> Mu 8 to get back the functionality of the TR model.
>
> "http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm"
I can second that. I just got one (P8, 2006 version). With Front and
back rack, front and back fender and a hub generator light (both front
and tail light). It is well equipped for commuting, though I am not
sure about touring (you'd probably need to bring a backpack, which I
personally don't find thrilling). I think the rack space may be too
small - of course depending on how long you tour for and how much
stuff you bring.
It folds quickly and is now a nice nalternative for me to take when
Ineed to use public transit. If the bus bike racks are taken, I just
fold it and bring it into the bus.
bjorn
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Date: 30 Mar 2007 15:24:04
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 30 2007 11:10:45 -0700, "bjorn" <procyclingpress@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> It is well equipped for commuting, though I am not
>sure about touring (you'd probably need to bring a backpack, which I
>personally don't find thrilling).
Well, as a Bike Friday user, the one thing I would change if I could
wave a magic wand and still have everything else work the same would
be 'correcting' the lack of top tube. For both commuting and day
touring (and I assume the same would be true in loaded touring), the
lack of top tube makes some situations awkward compared to a regular
diamond frame. It is even more true IMO if you move back and forth
between a regular diamond frame and the folder - you don't realize how
often you use the top tube to hold the bike up at a stop when you use
both hands for something else until you don't have one.
Yeah, yeah, not major, but it is the one thing I still notice when I
use the BF. Especially with a load on it...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 05:41:50
From: Dr Kickstand
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Don, I think you made a good choice in the end. Happy cycling!
DrK
http://www.bikesthatfold.com - All about Folding Bikes!
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 12:32:31
From: treynolds@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 25, 8:17 am, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com > wrote:
> On 25 2007 03:24:06 -0700, Dr Kickstand <sglees...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I think the Montague is a good choice, I have Hummer version myself. I
> >have just publiseed a review on it athttp://www.bikesthatfold.com/
>
> My biggest problem with that model is the word Hummer plastered on the side
> of the frame. Amongst my green friends that is a bad word. If I couldn't
> order one without it, I'd had to paint over it.
>
> Don <www.donwiss.com/joyrides> (e-mail link at page bottom).
I don't own a Montague but I have done some research on them. From
what I can tell, the frames are pretty solid, even for people who like
to do jumps and such. The components on all but their top end model
are crap. So for some time now I've been looking for either a frame
or a very cheap used one.
BTW, I feel the same way about the "Hummer" and all it implies.
Tom
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 10:21:14
From: peter
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On 7, 12:22 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> >
> > > Ritchey Breakaway, not these goofy teeny wheeled bicycles.
> >
> > Or the Dahon version of it, "http://dahon.com/us/tournado.htm"
> >
> > It isn't really a folder, it's a disassembleable bicycle. It doesn't
> > break down small enough to get around the airline bicycle fees.
>
> If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
> it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
> United.
Usually true, but note that the Ritchey and corresponding Dahon
slightly exceed the usual airline free size limit of 62" (L + W + H).
Ticket agents aren't usually too fussy about the dimension limit and
don't whip out a tape measure if it looks like a regular suitcase.
But technically these bikes are a little over the usual limit and
could have an oversize fee invoked if someone decides to measure the
case.
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 13:16:50
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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peter wrote:
> Usually true, but note that the Ritchey and corresponding Dahon
> slightly exceed the usual airline free size limit of 62" (L + W + H).
> Ticket agents aren't usually too fussy about the dimension limit and
> don't whip out a tape measure if it looks like a regular suitcase.
> But technically these bikes are a little over the usual limit and
> could have an oversize fee invoked if someone decides to measure the
> case.
If possible, check it in outside by the curb. Even though most airlines
now have an extra fee for curbside check-in, it's worth the few bucks to
avoid an over-zealous ticket agent. Same goes if you're a little over
the weight limit.
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 08:00:25
From:
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 27, 10:14 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <p...@vecchios.com >
wrote:
> On 7, 12:22 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> > > Ritchey Breakaway, not these goofy teeny wheeled bicycles.
>
> > Or the Dahon version of it, "http://dahon.com/us/tournado.htm"
>
> > It isn't really a folder, it's a disassembleable bicycle. It doesn't
> > break down small enough to get around the airline bicycle fees.
>
> If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
> it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
> United.
Regarding that, I got this by e-mail yesterday: Airlines are now
charging big bucks for overseas flights. Folding bikes are (so far)
supposedly immune.
http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 20 Apr 2007 19:35:20
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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frkrygow@gmail.com wrote:
> Regarding that, I got this by e-mail yesterday: Airlines are now
> charging big bucks for overseas flights. Folding bikes are (so far)
> supposedly immune.
>
> http://www.ibike.org/encouragement/travel/bagregs.htm
I saw this, too. Any confirmation? Their story about "big bucks" does
not really correlate to the table on that web page, where many airlines
are still listed as free for overseas flights.
I'm going to be living in Spain (Valencia) for the first half of '08, so
I really want to know -- do I bring my road bike, buy a folder like a
Friday, or buy something over there?
--
David L. Johnson
If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach
a conclusion. -- George Bernard Shaw
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 07:14:21
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 7, 12:22 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> > Ritchey Breakaway, not these goofy teeny wheeled bicycles.
>
> Or the Dahon version of it, "http://dahon.com/us/tournado.htm"
>
> It isn't really a folder, it's a disassembleable bicycle. It doesn't
> break down small enough to get around the airline bicycle fees.
If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
United.
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Date: 30 Mar 2007 21:51:16
From: Elisa Francesca Roselli
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
> it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
> United.
No way. My Dahon-in-suitcase arrangement cost me an overcharge of 130€
on a trip to Czech republic last year.
EFR
Ile de France
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Date: 31 Mar 2007 22:47:30
From: Dennis Ferguson
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 2007-03-30, Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>> If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
>> it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
>> United.
>
> No way. My Dahon-in-suitcase arrangement cost me an overcharge of 130€
> on a trip to Czech republic last year.
I've taken a fullsize S&S-coupled Co-motion bicycle on over 20 flights
(mostly the Americas and Asia) since I got it without ever being charged
extra. The bag is 62" in linear dimension and weighs not too much
over 40 pounds with the bike, tools and clothing. I don't think there
is any airline where this is considered oversized.
Dennis Ferguson
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Date: 01 Apr 2007 01:37:43
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> On 2007-03-30, Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr> wrote:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>
>>> If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
>>> it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
>>> United.
>> No way. My Dahon-in-suitcase arrangement cost me an overcharge of 130€
>> on a trip to Czech republic last year.
>
> I've taken a fullsize S&S-coupled Co-motion bicycle on over 20 flights
> (mostly the Americas and Asia) since I got it without ever being charged
> extra. The bag is 62" in linear dimension and weighs not too much
> over 40 pounds with the bike, tools and clothing. I don't think there
> is any airline where this is considered oversized.
Good point. A 26" wheeled, S&S equipped bicycle will fit into their
26"x26"x10" case. I.e. "http://www.rodcycle.com/w2specs.html".
A less expensive choice, with 20" wheels, is the gt20 which comes with a
hard case, and is $1345. "http://gaerlan.com/bikes/gotravel/gtfold.htm"
An S&S retrofit would be great, but you have to find a cromoly steel,
26" touring, hybrid or mountain bike with round tubes, as the couplers
don't work with the weaker aluminum frames, and such steel bicycles are
very expensive. A retrofit of the 54cm or less Surly Long Haul Trucker
Complete is probably the cheapest way to get an S&S equipped touring
bike with 26" wheels (56cm and up use 700c wheels which are too large
for the S&S carrying case, though apparently some people have been
successful packing a 700c wheeled frame and wheels into the case
(http://www.sandsmachine.com/a_bil_r39.htm).
Too bad Bruce Gordon won't do S&S equipped 26" touring bikes.
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Date: 30 Mar 2007 14:51:40
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>> If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
>> it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
>> United.
>
> No way. My Dahon-in-suitcase arrangement cost me an overcharge of 130€
> on a trip to Czech republic last year.
Well American Airlines even states: "Exception: If bicycle and container
are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs., the bike is free
in place of one 62 inch bag in the free allowance." I expect that other
U.S. airlines are the same. Of course there are very few bikes, even
folders, that can meet that criteria.
Getting a 20" DaHon into such a bag takes some work, but it can be done.
The key is to not ever mention what's inside the suitcase. In the U.S.,
do curbside check-in with a nice tip already in-hand that the skycap can
see. The slightly over-size Trident suitcase will usually be okay,
though according to J. Gaerlan you can fit the 20" wheeled DaHon's (the
ones with the telescoping steering tube) into a legal size suitcase with
some work. Since he's one builder that actually does use folders for
traveling, in suitcases, I believe him, especially after seeing the
photos at "http://gaerlan.com/dahon/pack.htm".
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 12:11:25
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com > wrote:
> Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:
>> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>>
>>> If the suitcase is the same one as Ritchey, it does. To the airlines,
>>> it's just a suitcase...as my experience when flying to SF with one on
>>> United.
>>
>> No way. My Dahon-in-suitcase arrangement cost me an overcharge of 130¤
>> on a trip to Czech republic last year.
>
> Well American Airlines even states: "Exception: If bicycle and container
> are less than 62 dimensional inches and under 50 lbs., the bike is free
> in place of one 62 inch bag in the free allowance." I expect that other
> U.S. airlines are the same. Of course there are very few bikes, even
> folders, that can meet that criteria.
I don't know, I haven't had any problems fitting my old Raleigh Twenty
into a 62" hard sided suitcase. Of course, I need to get around to
finish the rebuild of it. Until then it's not going anywhere...
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
"There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.
It is 'dead'." - Jack Cohen
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 03:24:06
From: Dr Kickstand
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Hi Don,
I think the Montague is a good choice, I have Hummer version myself. I
have just publiseed a review on it at http://www.bikesthatfold.com/
Provided the bike it bagged correctly, it should fit into checked
luggage no problem.
DrK
Don Wiss wrote:
> On 23 2007 07:43:46 -0700, carolrcohen@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >Check out the Montague (I have one) - it has 26" wheels. Weighs 29
> >lbs. and is a bit unwieldy for carrying folded, unless one also gets
> >the carry bag. But it's a full size folder. I changed to smoother
> >tires for my road riding. http://www.montagueco.com
>
> I'm looking for a folder that can handle dirt and sand roads. A big
> requirement is that it fit (and be checked without a big hassle) on small
> planes, for example a Cessna 402C II*. Looking at the Montague CX I see
> that it folds to 36" x 28" x 12". Is that within the standards for checked
> luggage? (I never check luggage, and checking a bike will be a drag.)
>
> * http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1158362/M
>
> Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
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Date: 25 Mar 2007 11:17:10
From: Don Wiss
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 25 2007 03:24:06 -0700, Dr Kickstand <sgleesong@yahoo.co.uk > wrote:
>I think the Montague is a good choice, I have Hummer version myself. I
>have just publiseed a review on it at http://www.bikesthatfold.com/
My biggest problem with that model is the word Hummer plastered on the side
of the frame. Amongst my green friends that is a bad word. If I couldn't
order one without it, I'd had to paint over it.
Don <www.donwiss.com/joyrides > (e-mail link at page bottom).
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 07:43:46
From:
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 7, 2:20 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> LoredanaVassa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi there!
>
> > I need your honest and trusted opinions, guys :-)
>
> > I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
> > eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
> > fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
> > Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
> > a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
> > around.
>
> > Right now I'm considering to buy one of the following 20'' wheels
> > folding bikes, both from Dahon:
>
> > - Dahon Speed P8, 2007 edition.
> > - Dahon Mu P8, 2007 edition.
>
> > What do you suggest to do? What is your suggestions for purchase?
> > Do you consider the the Speed P8 and/or the Mu P8 a foldable touring
> > bike worthy to consider? Does the standard gearing of these 20''
> > wheels bikes is adequate for traveling in presence of hills?
> > Would you consider any other bike in that price level?
>
> I'd get the Speed or the Mu, but with the upgrades offered by Gaerlan.
>
> For a touring model, the older Speed TR was ideal, but Dahon changed it
> in 2005, worsening it in some ways. Gaerlan has modified the Speed P8 or
> Mu 8 to get back the functionality of the TR model.
>
> "http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm"
Check out the Montague (I have one) - it has 26" wheels. Weighs 29
lbs. and is a bit unwieldy for carrying folded, unless one also gets
the carry bag. But it's a full size folder. I changed to smoother
tires for my road riding. http://www.montagueco.com
C.C.
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 20:21:43
From: Don Wiss
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 23 2007 07:43:46 -0700, carolrcohen@gmail.com wrote:
>Check out the Montague (I have one) - it has 26" wheels. Weighs 29
>lbs. and is a bit unwieldy for carrying folded, unless one also gets
>the carry bag. But it's a full size folder. I changed to smoother
>tires for my road riding. http://www.montagueco.com
I'm looking for a folder that can handle dirt and sand roads. A big
requirement is that it fit (and be checked without a big hassle) on small
planes, for example a Cessna 402C II*. Looking at the Montague CX I see
that it folds to 36" x 28" x 12". Is that within the standards for checked
luggage? (I never check luggage, and checking a bike will be a drag.)
* http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1158362/M
Don <www.donwiss.com > (e-mail link at home page bottom).
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 19:16:22
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Don Wiss wrote:
> On 23 2007 07:43:46 -0700, carolrcohen@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Check out the Montague (I have one) - it has 26" wheels. Weighs 29
>> lbs. and is a bit unwieldy for carrying folded, unless one also gets
>> the carry bag. But it's a full size folder. I changed to smoother
>> tires for my road riding. http://www.montagueco.com
>
> I'm looking for a folder that can handle dirt and sand roads. A big
> requirement is that it fit (and be checked without a big hassle) on small
> planes, for example a Cessna 402C II*. Looking at the Montague CX I see
> that it folds to 36" x 28" x 12". Is that within the standards for checked
> luggage? (I never check luggage, and checking a bike will be a drag.)
It is larger than the airlines allow for checked luggage, and the
carrying case is clearly too large.
The largest suitcase that you can usually get away with (even though
it's technically a bit over) is the Trident 33".
See "http://www.welectronics.com/luggage.shtml" but the photo of it is
at the bottom of "http://gaerlan.com/"
You can't fit a full size folder into this suitcase.
I think that the custom DaHon sold by J. Gaerlan will be your best bet
given the changes that DaHon made to their Speed TR.
"http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm"
I have a Montague Urban, great bike, but no way it'd fit into an airline
legal case, and it's too large to take in a small airplane.
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 05:52:21
From: Don Wiss
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On Wed, 28 2007 19:16:22 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com > wrote:
>I think that the custom DaHon sold by J. Gaerlan will be your best bet
>given the changes that DaHon made to their Speed TR.
>"http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm"
I have gone ahead and ordered the new Dahon Glide. Now I have to hope that
it will arrive before I leave on May 3rd. See:
http://dahon.com/us/glidep8.htm
Don <www.donwiss.com > (e-mail link at home page bottom).
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 09:38:49
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Don Wiss wrote:
> On Wed, 28 2007 19:16:22 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think that the custom DaHon sold by J. Gaerlan will be your best bet
>> given the changes that DaHon made to their Speed TR.
>> "http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm"
>
> I have gone ahead and ordered the new Dahon Glide. Now I have to hope that
> it will arrive before I leave on May 3rd. See:
>
> http://dahon.com/us/glidep8.htm
>
> Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
Hmm, I thought you wanted a bicycle that could be put into an airline
legal suitcase. The Glide won't fit due to the non-removable handlebars.
OTOH, the Glide is one of the coolest bikes DaHon makes, with its
European features (rack, fenders, chainguard, lights). Great for trips
around town, and small enough for the trunk of a car. Ouch, 36 pounds!
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 20:12:22
From: Don Wiss
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On Thu, 29 2007 09:38:49 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com > wrote:
>Don Wiss wrote:
>> http://dahon.com/us/glidep8.htm
>Hmm, I thought you wanted a bicycle that could be put into an airline
>legal suitcase. The Glide won't fit due to the non-removable handlebars.
Hmm... So I pay a surcharge? I am buying their El Bolso bag. As no one has
a Glide yet, I'm not sure just what the handlebars will be like. Is this
the modification that Gaerlan makes?
>OTOH, the Glide is one of the coolest bikes DaHon makes, with its
>European features (rack, fenders, chainguard, lights). Great for trips
>around town, and small enough for the trunk of a car. Ouch, 36 pounds!
Yea. I'm aware of the 36 pounds. Certainly not a bike one would commute
with. But doable for a trip. I'm used to a heavy bike. My usual bike is a
Batavus city bike and it comes in at something like 42 pounds. I wanted the
fenders. On a trip I can't control the rain and I want to continue when it
does. I need the rack to strap my luggage on the back, so I can get to my
room from the train or airport. And in the Caribbean one needs lights.
Sunset is at 6:15 and it is dark at 6:30. Many of the poorer islands do not
light their roads.
And the tires are wide, which should be fine for dirt roads. Though
possibly not enough tread for sand.
The only time I've traveled with a bike is when I brought my Batavus back
to the States. All I had to pay was 20 Euros to buy a box at Schiphol. I
still plan to not check any luggage, other than the bike.
I'm already coming up with other uses now that I will have a folding bike.
I'm planning to go back to my college reunion this June. Living in Brooklyn
I don't own a car. So I am planning to take a bus. I would bike to the
subway. (I ain't going to lug it!) Then at the bus station I could toss the
bike in the bus's luggage hold. This would allow me to get around campus
and town. I hope it can take some abuse being tossed around in the soft
case.
One thing I did on my Batavus, and I'll also do on this, is to add some
teeth on the back sprocket. I shifted my Nexis 7 down one notch. I need
lows for hills (I'm not young anymore) and one doesn't need highs. On a 7
the 4 is the same as a single speed bike. On my Batavus the 5 is now the no
gear bike. With the 8 on the Glide I don't know where the middle is. But
after I get the bike I'll count the teeth in the front and back, and find
one of the web calculators to see what I have.
Don <www.donwiss.com > (e-mail link at home page bottom).
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Date: 30 Mar 2007 10:11:37
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Don Wiss wrote:
> On Thu, 29 2007 09:38:49 -0700, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Don Wiss wrote:
>
>>> http://dahon.com/us/glidep8.htm
>
>> Hmm, I thought you wanted a bicycle that could be put into an airline
>> legal suitcase. The Glide won't fit due to the non-removable handlebars.
>
> Hmm... So I pay a surcharge? I am buying their El Bolso bag. As no one has
> a Glide yet, I'm not sure just what the handlebars will be like. Is this
> the modification that Gaerlan makes?
He doesn't modify the bars, what he does is modify the models that still
have the adjustable/removable stems to make them closer in specs to the
models that dropped the adjustable/removable stem.
See "http://gaerlan.com/dahon/pack.htm" and
"http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm".
The older Speed TR, and the current P8 and Mu, had adjustable height
steering columns, and the handlebars could be slid all the way out of
the stem. You could, with some difficulty, get it into a large suitcase
that could get through airline's luggage systems without paying for a
bicycle. Of course at the other end you have to do something with the
suitcase, which is a pain. It's not like the Bike Friday, where the
suitcase turns into a trailer.
The Glide has 24" wheels, so even if it had the adjustable/removable
stem it would be too big to fit into an airline legal suitcase (but it
doesn't have the telescoping stem). Technically it has to be 62" or
less, but in reality the slightly larger suitcases such as the Trident
33" can usually make it through.
I guess it doesn't matter on a private plane, assuming you the folded
package is small enough to fit, but on commercial flights you'll be
paying $80 or so each way.
> The only time I've traveled with a bike is when I brought my Batavus back
> to the States. All I had to pay was 20 Euros to buy a box at Schiphol. I
> still plan to not check any luggage, other than the bike.
Yeah, it used to be that on international flights they didn't charge for
bikes. I brought a tandem to Russia without any extra charge!
> One thing I did on my Batavus, and I'll also do on this, is to add some
> teeth on the back sprocket. I shifted my Nexis 7 down one notch. I need
> lows for hills (I'm not young anymore) and one doesn't need highs. On a 7
> the 4 is the same as a single speed bike. On my Batavus the 5 is now the no
> gear bike. With the 8 on the Glide I don't know where the middle is. But
> after I get the bike I'll count the teeth in the front and back, and find
> one of the web calculators to see what I have.
I like my Speed TR, which is Nexus combined with a rear dérailleur. It's
the 2004 model, which was the last year of the adjustable/removable
stem. I don't know why they dropped the adjustable/removable stem on the
higher end bikes. It may have been for weight reasons. It really is nice
to have the adjustability, not just for packing, but to fit smaller
people that might want to borrow the bike. Even the really early DaHon
models, the classic 16" wheeled model, had the adjustable stem.
I wouldn't want to carry such a large folder on the NYC subway when it's
crowded. I used to take my 26" wheeled Montague on the CalTrain (San
Francisco-San Jose commuter train) and it was a real load to carry but
at the time the train was very lightly used and I could get a seat for
the bike.
Last year when I was in NYC I wish I had had a folder. I wanted to rent
a bike in Central Park, but they don't rent bikes in the winter. I made
it to the transit museum in Brooklyn which was interesting (at least to
me), and over to Costco in Brooklyn. And of course to B&H in Manhattan!
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 15:53:00
From: Dr Kickstand
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Taking everthing into account, the Dahon is a good choice for what you
plan to do. Dahon's always score high in ride quality.
Tks
Dr K
www.bikesthatfold.com - Bikes That Fold is a resource for folding
bikes
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 15:38:28
From: seanesmith@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 8, 3:35 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > On 5 2007 15:58:37 -0800, LoredanaVassa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
> >> eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
> >> fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
> >> Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
> >> a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
> >> around.
>
> > If you are talking touring, you are usually talking a Bike Friday.
> > Moultons certainly qualify, but they are a lot further from Dahons
> > than the Fridays.
>
> Up until 2004, theDaHonSpeed TR was a very good alternative to the
> Bike Friday, at a much lower cost. It was closest to the New World
> Tourist Dual Drive. In some ways the design was superior to the Bike
> Friday. I think the list price was $800 in 2004, and the street price
> was $700.
>
> Unfortunately, they couldn't leave well enough alone, and in 2005 they
> made some design changes that worsened the Speed TR.
>
> J. Gaerlan (who I first met on a folding bike ride) now modifies theDaHonSpeed P8 and Mu P8 to get back the touring features of the Speed
> TR, without the drawbacks of the current Speed TR model.
>
> See "http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm."
>
> I have no idea how much he charges for these changes. The New World
> Tourist from Bike Friday starts at $1000 for the non-Dual Drive model.
> Personally I prefer the non-Dual Drive as it's easier to change a tire
> on the rear than with Dual Drive.
What deign changes did Dahon make, that you feel "worsened" the Speed
TR?
I find it a smooth, comfortable ride... and as you mentioned a bargain
compared to Bike Friday.
Thanks...
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Date: 08 Mar 2007 15:37:19
From: seanesmith@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 8, 3:35 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com > wrote:
> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > On 5 2007 15:58:37 -0800, LoredanaVassa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
> >> eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
> >> fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
> >> Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
> >> a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
> >> around.
>
> > If you are talking touring, you are usually talking a Bike Friday.
> > Moultons certainly qualify, but they are a lot further from Dahons
> > than the Fridays.
>
> Up until 2004, theDaHonSpeed TR was a very good alternative to the
> Bike Friday, at a much lower cost. It was closest to the New World
> Tourist Dual Drive. In some ways the design was superior to the Bike
> Friday. I think the list price was $800 in 2004, and the street price
> was $700.
>
> Unfortunately, they couldn't leave well enough alone, and in 2005 they
> made some design changes that worsened the Speed TR.
>
> J. Gaerlan (who I first met on a folding bike ride) now modifies theDaHonSpeed P8 and Mu P8 to get back the touring features of the Speed
> TR, without the drawbacks of the current Speed TR model.
>
> See "http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm."
>
> I have no idea how much he charges for these changes. The New World
> Tourist from Bike Friday starts at $1000 for the non-Dual Drive model.
> Personally I prefer the non-Dual Drive as it's easier to change a tire
> on the rear than with Dual Drive.
What deign changes did Dahon make, that you feel "worsened" the Speed
TR?
I find it a smooth, comfortable ride... and as you mentioned a bargain
compared to Bike Friday.
Thanks...
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 22:20:24
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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LoredanaVassallo@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I need your honest and trusted opinions, guys :-)
>
> I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
> eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
> fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
> Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
> a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
> around.
>
> Right now I'm considering to buy one of the following 20'' wheels
> folding bikes, both from Dahon:
>
> - Dahon Speed P8, 2007 edition.
> - Dahon Mu P8, 2007 edition.
>
> What do you suggest to do? What is your suggestions for purchase?
> Do you consider the the Speed P8 and/or the Mu P8 a foldable touring
> bike worthy to consider? Does the standard gearing of these 20''
> wheels bikes is adequate for traveling in presence of hills?
> Would you consider any other bike in that price level?
I'd get the Speed or the Mu, but with the upgrades offered by Gaerlan.
For a touring model, the older Speed TR was ideal, but Dahon changed it
in 2005, worsening it in some ways. Gaerlan has modified the Speed P8 or
Mu 8 to get back the functionality of the TR model.
"http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm"
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 15:07:05
From: seanesmith@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 6, 10:23 pm, Curtis L. Russell <cur...@md-bicycling.org > wrote:
> On 5 2007 15:58:37 -0800, LoredanaVassa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> >I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
> >eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
> >fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
> >Yet, this bike would be my firstfolding bikeand I would like to pick
> >a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
> >around.
>
> If you are talking touring, you are usually talking a Bike Friday.
> Moultons certainly qualify, but they are a lot further from Dahons
> than the Fridays.
>
> That said, there simply is no all around folder. I like my Bike Friday
> and it could serve as a touring bike, but it is not particularly adept
> as a commuter on trains and buses, even with the bag. Generally, the
> folders that are roll arounds or carry ons are poor tourers. But if I
> were taking a bike on the Metro every day, it would be one that could
> fold quickly and small - not a Friday.
>
> I do like my wife's folding 7-spd Breezer, and it is sort of an all
> around, but things like not having quick release in the rear bother me
> a bit. And compared to my Friday, it is heavier.
>
> OTOH, the Friday and the Breezer fold easily into the trunk and make
> it easy to use at a Celtic Fair or as a day trip tourist.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
The Breezer is a Dahon...
Great all around bike.
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 09:23:28
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 5 2007 15:58:37 -0800, LoredanaVassallo@gmail.com wrote:
>
>I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
>eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
>fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
>Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
>a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
>around.
If you are talking touring, you are usually talking a Bike Friday.
Moultons certainly qualify, but they are a lot further from Dahons
than the Fridays.
That said, there simply is no all around folder. I like my Bike Friday
and it could serve as a touring bike, but it is not particularly adept
as a commuter on trains and buses, even with the bag. Generally, the
folders that are roll arounds or carry ons are poor tourers. But if I
were taking a bike on the Metro every day, it would be one that could
fold quickly and small - not a Friday.
I do like my wife's folding 7-spd Breezer, and it is sort of an all
around, but things like not having quick release in the rear bother me
a bit. And compared to my Friday, it is heavier.
OTOH, the Friday and the Breezer fold easily into the trunk and make
it easy to use at a Celtic Fair or as a day trip tourist.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 07 Mar 2007 11:35:11
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On 5 2007 15:58:37 -0800, LoredanaVassallo@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
>> eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
>> fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
>> Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
>> a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
>> around.
>
> If you are talking touring, you are usually talking a Bike Friday.
> Moultons certainly qualify, but they are a lot further from Dahons
> than the Fridays.
Up until 2004, the DaHon Speed TR was a very good alternative to the
Bike Friday, at a much lower cost. It was closest to the New World
Tourist Dual Drive. In some ways the design was superior to the Bike
Friday. I think the list price was $800 in 2004, and the street price
was $700.
Unfortunately, they couldn't leave well enough alone, and in 2005 they
made some design changes that worsened the Speed TR.
J. Gaerlan (who I first met on a folding bike ride) now modifies the
DaHon Speed P8 and Mu P8 to get back the touring features of the Speed
TR, without the drawbacks of the current Speed TR model.
See "http://gaerlan.com/bikes/customd/customd.htm."
I have no idea how much he charges for these changes. The New World
Tourist from Bike Friday starts at $1000 for the non-Dual Drive model.
Personally I prefer the non-Dual Drive as it's easier to change a tire
on the rear than with Dual Drive.
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 05:24:58
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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On 5, 4:58 pm, LoredanaVassa...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I need your honest and trusted opinions, guys :-)
>
> I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
> eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
> fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
> Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
> a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
> around.
>
> Right now I'm considering to buy one of the following 20'' wheels
> folding bikes, both from Dahon:
>
> - Dahon Speed P8, 2007 edition.
> - Dahon Mu P8, 2007 edition.
>
> What do you suggest to do? What is your suggestions for purchase?
> Do you consider the the Speed P8 and/or the Mu P8 a foldable touring
> bike worthy to consider? Does the standard gearing of these 20''
> wheels bikes is adequate for traveling in presence of hills?
> Would you consider any other bike in that price level?
>
> I will greatly appreciate any feedback/suggestion/opinion you would
> like to provide me.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Cheers,
> Dana
Ritchey Breakaway, not these goofy teeny wheeled bicycles.
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Date: 07 Mar 2007 09:03:48
From: Pat
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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>
> Ritchey Breakaway, not these goofy teeny wheeled bicycles.
In order to ride a Bike Friday or something similar, a person has got to be
impervious to peer pressure. If you had tried a Bike Friday, you would see
that without looking down at the bike, you'd never know you were on a 20"
wheel bike. It handles and feels just like my regular bike except for the
Shimano stuff whereas my regular bike has Campy.
Pat in TX
>
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 22:22:56
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> Ritchey Breakaway, not these goofy teeny wheeled bicycles.
>
Or the Dahon version of it, "http://dahon.com/us/tournado.htm"
It isn't really a folder, it's a disassembleable bicycle. It doesn't
break down small enough to get around the airline bicycle fees.
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Date: 06 Mar 2007 00:30:38
From: mark
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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LoredanaVassallo@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I need your honest and trusted opinions, guys :-)
>
> I'm looking for a _folder_ that I can use to do some touring and for
> eveyday commuting.I know, I know... you are absolutely right: no one
> fits all - of course; so, I'll not gonna to find a really do-it-all.
> Yet, this bike would be my first folding bike and I would like to pick
> a machine that is, to the extent as large as possible, a versatile all-
> around.
>
> Right now I'm considering to buy one of the following 20'' wheels
> folding bikes, both from Dahon:
>
> - Dahon Speed P8, 2007 edition.
> - Dahon Mu P8, 2007 edition.
>
> What do you suggest to do? What is your suggestions for purchase?
> Do you consider the the Speed P8 and/or the Mu P8 a foldable touring
> bike worthy to consider? Does the standard gearing of these 20''
> wheels bikes is adequate for traveling in presence of hills?
> Would you consider any other bike in that price level?
>
> I will greatly appreciate any feedback/suggestion/opinion you would
> like to provide me.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Cheers,
> Dana
>
>
The regulars on uk.rec.cycling spend a lot more time talking about
folders than the folks on this NG, so it might be worth posting over
there. Bromptons seem to be the folder of choice for them, although they
appear to be a touch more expensive than Dahons.
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Date: 05 Mar 2007 18:00:57
From: Pat
Subject: Re: Versatile folding bikes: request for honest and trusted opinions
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Bike Friday
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