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Date: 04 Nov 2007 20:26:09
From: Artemisia
Subject: Widdershins, First Outing
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On this fair Sunday afternoon I took my new baby out for a short spin,
along a rather drab, but flat and straight, cycling path not far from my
home. We did several aller-retours, amounting to about 13 km.
First Impressions
I never noticed before how cambered a lot of streets are. I took a short
stretch of road to reach my path and I swear my right wheel was about 6
inches lower than my left.
STEER, STEER, STEER! This is new. On Fly, I only have to look in a
direction and he reads my mind and goes there. Not so Widders. I have to
tell him _everything_. On said cambered road, he kept trying to fall
into the curb. No dear, go LEFT! Anyway, despite Carol Hague's
contention that recumbent trikes are all female, I now have no further
doubts about his gender.
Overgown hedgerows are a problem. They now overhang at face level. I
wouldn't even have noticed them on a bike.
It is magnificent to be able to stop and just start again! I can be
polite to families and old ladies. I can respect traffic lights without
foul language. On a bike, all of this would have unhorsed me again and
again.
Uphill is a joy. My path was flat, but I spent some time yesterday doing
the ramp to the upper storey of the underground parking. I used to
practise getting up this on Myrtille. Shift down, pedal pedal pedal,
brake, turn, pedal for your life, push, push, push, turn again at the
top and usually miss the mark. Now, shift down, pedal relax, turn, pedal
relax to the top, turn again. I kept trying to speed until I realized I
didn't even have to. It's so zen, I don't even break a sweat.
I had to get in before dusk, not so much because I feared Widders would
turn into something hairy at the sight of the full Moon, as because I
don't have lights for him yet. I've ordered two Cateye EL530's, since
Helen is so pleased with hers. But I'm in a quandary as to where to put
them. No room on the computer mount. I would like them on the front
boom, one on each side, just next to the wheel axles. But how on earth
shall I mount them as the diameter of the boom is about 3", much thicker
than a handlebar?
This is supposedly a folding trike but my first attempt to fold it
failed miserably. I did get the seat off. But the quick release clamp
for the fold didn't seem to release anything, and getting the seat back
on was about 45 minutes of panicky sweat. The manual is most unhelpful
because there are almost no illustrations so you can never tell what it
is talking about; OTOH it is constantly telling you how much danger you
are in if you put things back incorrectly. I will write to HP
Velotechnik demanding more diagrams and better tech writing (given that
it's my own profession.)
EFR
Ile de France
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 04:18:13
From: squeaker
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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On 6 Nov, 12:28, Rob Morley <nos...@ntlworld.com > wrote:
> How about fitting an extension to the boom using the existing lamp
> bracket, and mounting the lights on that? That would put them away from
> any obstruction, with a reasonable range of location, and removeable
> with a single bolt or clevis pin (although it might need a velcro strap
> around the boom too). You could probably reverse it to carry the lights
> inboard when they weren't being used, or if the lights were easily
> reversible use it as an alternative mounting position.
IMHO on the right lines, but not exactly 'off the shelf'. I'd
probably try 25mm 'U' section aluminium channel for the boom
extension, with a stainless jubilee clip around the boom. Bit
difficult without having the bits in front of you, though ;)
FWIW I'd also try contacting the guys who sold me the trike and seeing
if I could do a deal on a boom with the d=E9railleur post. That's what
my Dual Drive equipped Grasshopper has, and is where the lights and
reflector live, mounted off an old stem and handlebar section....
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 13:15:39
From: Rob Morley
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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In article <1194437893.951528.150090@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
squeaker
mdcroker@which.net says...
> IMHO on the right lines, but not exactly 'off the shelf'. I'd
> probably try 25mm 'U' section aluminium channel for the boom
> extension, with a stainless jubilee clip around the boom.
I'd have thought box rather than channel, for torsional rigidity and to
provide a flat top surface you could stick a pad to. I think a Jubilee
clip is OTT though - the weight of the lamps would hold the boom in
place, all the secondary fixing needs to do is stop them bouncing.
Don't forget this is a folding trike, so demountability might be a
priority.
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 22:59:00
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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On 5 nov, 20:39, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk > wrote:
> She may be rightpondian, but in .fr rather than .uk.
Yes, we Continentals drive on the right.
EFR
Ile de France
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 11:42:09
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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"Artemisia" <e.roselli@free.fr > wrote in message
news:1194418740.534106.73880@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On 5 nov, 20:39, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> She may be rightpondian, but in .fr rather than .uk.
>
> Yes, we Continentals drive on the right.
>
> EFR
> Ile de France
It is too bad that you do not think RIGHT! How did old Europe ever get so
far LEFT? It is OK to be socialist, but it is not OK to be cowardly in the
face of the Muslim enemy. Whatever happened to the descendents of Napoleon
Bonaparte and his Grande Armee?
Hey folks, time to bomb Iran. We should also take over ALL the oil fields of
the Middle East while we are at it. They will never like us, but at least we
can make them fear us. All it takes is some will and some courage, but it
appears that only the Muslims have that these days.
Old Europe is no longer Christian and they prove it every day of the week by
showing how yellow they are - ever appeasers to the bitter end! The Muslims
are barbarians pure and simple. They always have been and they always will
be as long as they are saddled with their execrable religion which is a
mixture of Arab tribal primitivism and Prophet nonsense. Where the hell is
Charles Martel when he is needed?
"After the death of Mohammed the Saracens, as Mohammedans are also called,
became great warriors. They conquered many countries and established the
Mohammedan religion in them. In 711 the Saracens invaded and conquered a
great part of Spain and founded a powerful kingdom there, which lasted about
seven hundred years.
They intended to conquer the land of the Franks next, and then all Europe.
Pepin died in 714 A.D., and his son Charles, who was twenty-five years old
at that time, succeeded him as mayor of the palace. This Charles is known in
history as Charles Martel. He was a brave young man. He had fought in many
of his father's battles and so had become a skilled soldier. His men were
devoted to him.
While he was mayor of the palace he led armies in several wars against the
enemies of the Franks. The most important of his wars was one with the
Saracens, who came across the Pyrenees from Spain and invaded the land of
the Franks, intending to establish Mohammedanism there. Their army was led
by Abd-er-Rahman (Abd-er-Rah'-man), the Saracen governor of Spain.
But meanwhile Charles Martel was not idle. As quickly as he could he got
together a great army of Franks and Germans and marched against the
Saracens. The two armies met between the cities of Tours and Poitiers
(pwaw-te-ay) in October, 732. For six days there was nothing but an
occasional skirmish between small parties from both sides; but on the
seventh day a great battle took place.
The battle of Tours, or Poitiers, as it should be called, is regarded as one
of the decisive battles of the world. It decided that Christians, and not
Moslems, should be the ruling power in Europe.
Charles Martel is especially celebrated as the hero of this battle. It is
said that the name MARTEL was given to him because of his bravery during the
fight. Marteau (mar-to') is the French word for hammer, and one of the old
French historians says that as a hammer breaks and crushes iron and steel,
so Charles broke and crushed the power of his enemies in the battle of
Tours.
But though the Saracens fled from the battlefield of Tours, they did not
leave the land of the Franks; and Charles had to fight other battles with
them, before they were finally defeated. At last, however, he drove them
across the Pyrenees, and they never again attempted to invade Frankland.
After his defeat of the Saracens Charles Martel was looked upon as the great
champion of Christianity; and to the day of his death, in 741, he was in
reality, though not in name, the king of the Franks."
From "Famous Men of the Middle Ages" by John H. Haaren (John Henry), an
Internet website.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 12:04:52
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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>> "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> She may be rightpondian, but in .fr rather than .uk.
> "Artemisia" <e.roselli@free.fr> wrote
>> Yes, we Continentals drive on the right.
Edward Dolan wrote:
> It is too bad that you do not think RIGHT! How did old Europe ever get so
> far LEFT? It is OK to be socialist, but it is not OK to be cowardly in the
> face of the Muslim enemy. Whatever happened to the descendents of Napoleon
> Bonaparte and his Grande Armee?
-snip-
> Charles Martel
-snip-
> But though the Saracens fled from the battlefield of Tours, they did not
> leave the land of the Franks; and Charles had to fight other battles with
> them, before they were finally defeated. At last, however, he drove them
> across the Pyrenees, and they never again attempted to invade Frankland.
Tour the banlieues and get back to us.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 16:28:31
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote in message
news:13j3vfcl08n3e30@corp.supernews.com...
>>> "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> She may be rightpondian, but in .fr rather than .uk.
>
>> "Artemisia" <e.roselli@free.fr> wrote
>>> Yes, we Continentals drive on the right.
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> It is too bad that you do not think RIGHT! How did old Europe ever get so
>> far LEFT? It is OK to be socialist, but it is not OK to be cowardly in
>> the face of the Muslim enemy. Whatever happened to the descendents of
>> Napoleon Bonaparte and his Grande Armee?
> -snip-
>> Charles Martel
> -snip-
>> But though the Saracens fled from the battlefield of Tours, they did not
>> leave the land of the Franks; and Charles had to fight other battles with
>> them, before they were finally defeated. At last, however, he drove them
>> across the Pyrenees, and they never again attempted to invade Frankland.
>
> Tour the banlieues and get back to us.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
It is a total no-brainer. Who wants la belle France cluttered up with a lot
of poor Muslim immigrants from North Africa and the Middle East. Why don't
the poor bastards stay in their fucking homelands. At least their existence
there, wretched as it is, is preferable to them leeching on strangers who
don't like them and who don't want them. They should stay with their own
kind in the barbaric lands from which they spring. They breed like rabbits,
live like pigs and die like flies. Are they even human? Yea, that is the
question!
But I have not lost all hope in the French. They now have a President who
has some brains as well as some guts. Vive la France!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 04:07:19
From: squeaker
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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On 6 Nov, 10:41, Tim Hall <timh...@nospamtoday.clara.co.uk > wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:00:34 -0000, "Nigel Cliffe" <m...@privacy.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >I think he put a big band around the boom, and fixed stuff to that.
> > ^^^^^^^^
>
> (Visions of Glen Miller and chums balancing on the front of the bike,
> adorned with misc. Cateyes.)
>
ROTFL :) Nice one, Tim
IMHO whatever is going to be 'tricky', as the boom is HPV's squashed
oval shape at the front, with AFAIK just one bolt hole at the top
rearward of the BB and one underneath :(
Maybe an 'L' shaped bracket with a handlebar diameter bobbin attached
to it might work - could have one on top and one underneath (if an
EL530 'works' upside down)? - don't know anything off-the-shelf that
would do though....
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 23:57:06
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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On 5 nov, 20:39, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzo...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Have you thought about a helmet mount? You could also mount a strobe light
> on the boom.
Helmet mount could be an idea if I can use two with the EL530s. Only
it was such a delicious sensation the other day to be riding, for the
first time in my life, _without_ a helmet!
> Check out Greenluck's site to get some ideas.
Thanks for all the links. I will indeed check them out.
EFR
Ile de France
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 14:57:23
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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Artemisia wrote:
:: On 5 nov, 20:39, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzo...@hotmail.com > wrote:
::
::: Have you thought about a helmet mount? You could also mount a
::: strobe light on the boom.
::
:: Helmet mount could be an idea if I can use two with the EL530s. Only
:: it was such a delicious sensation the other day to be riding, for the
:: first time in my life, _without_ a helmet!
Yes, I know that feeling as well.
::
::: Check out Greenluck's site to get some ideas.
::
:: Thanks for all the links. I will indeed check them out.
::
Check this out as a possible means to mount your two lights:
<http://www.terracycle.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=T&Product_Code=accmt&Category_Code=Acmts >
Please be sure to scroll down far enough to see all of the photos.
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 23:52:47
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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On 5 nov, 20:10, "wafflycat" <w*a*ff=A3y=A3cat*@=A3btco*nn=A3ect.com > wrote:
> Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up the
> entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front t=
oo.
> Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to be
> entirely adequate.
But where is the Space Grip mounted? On the boom or on one of the
sides? Widders has a mount on his left side but this is already almost
fully encumbered with an Airzound and wireless computer.
I'm hesitant to "borrow" lights from one of my other bikes because I
worry about offending their sensibilities. It must be a trying time
for Flyzipper right now - he has been so much my favorite. Myrtille
the oldest is very sweet and accommodating and has quite a grandiose
rechargeable halogen that she isn't using (she has a flat at the
moment and when I tried to fix it I broke the wrench before I could
get the wheel off). But with the battery pack _and_ the light that
thing is so ginormous that I wouldn't know how to rig it up.
EFR
Ile de France
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 08:43:40
From: wafflycat
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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"Artemisia" <e.roselli@free.fr > wrote in message
news:1194335567.030128.131730@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On 5 nov, 20:10, "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com > wrote:
>> Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up
>> the
>> entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front
>> too.
>> Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to
>> be
>> entirely adequate.
>
>But where is the Space Grip mounted? On the boom or on one of the
>sides? Widders has a mount on his left side but this is already almost
>fully encumbered with an Airzound and wireless computer.
>
On the Ice T, at the front of the boom where the crankset is, is a vertical
bit of tubing which just happens to be the idea size to affix a Minoura
space grip to. Just so happens that the Space Grip is an ideal width for
fixing two lights to without having any contact with feet, so I can pedal
along in comfort and with lights pointing ahead. If you have a look at the
pics on the ICE web site, you'll see what I mean about the sticking-up bit
http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/
>I'm hesitant to "borrow" lights from one of my other bikes because I
>worry about offending their sensibilities. It must be a trying time
>for Flyzipper right now - he has been so much my favorite. Myrtille
>the oldest is very sweet and accommodating and has quite a grandiose
>rechargeable halogen that she isn't using (she has a flat at the
>moment and when I tried to fix it I broke the wrench before I could
>get the wheel off). But with the battery pack _and_ the light that
>thing is so ginormous that I wouldn't know how to rig it up.
>
It's easy to buy extra mounts for the Cateye lights - so you just lift the
light off one bike & place it on the other, as each bike has its own mounts
left on it.
>EFR
>Ile de France
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 13:46:53
From: Alan Braggins
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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In article <472e1cc9$0$15764$426a74cc@news.free.fr >, Artemisia wrote:
>
>I had to get in before dusk, not so much because I feared Widders would
>turn into something hairy at the sight of the full Moon, as because I
>don't have lights for him yet. I've ordered two Cateye EL530's, since
>Helen is so pleased with hers. But I'm in a quandary as to where to put
>them. No room on the computer mount. I would like them on the front
>boom, one on each side, just next to the wheel axles. But how on earth
>shall I mount them as the diameter of the boom is about 3", much thicker
>than a handlebar?
Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?
If so, consider something like
http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/standard_trikes/accessories.htm#LightMount
(Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Cat=cycle&ProdID=5300001170
(The square plastic bit unscrews and does up in the other alignment so
it can clamp to handlebars or as shown in the ICE photo.)
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 19:43:11
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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Alan Braggins wrote:
> Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?
No, for the moment there's just the 24-spped SRAM on the back.
> (Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:
That's what Helen uses. It might turn out to be the solution, but I
would prefer not to have both lights so close together.
Carol Hague and Rob at Westcountry Recumbents had a lighting system on
one of their trikes with two lights by the sides of the seat. They were
on the handlebars, I think. That't the sort of thing I have in mind.
EFR
Ile de France
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 09:38:37
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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In news:472f6437$0$14478$426a74cc@news.free.fr,
Artemisia <nospam@free.fr > tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:
> Carol Hague and Rob at Westcountry Recumbents had a lighting system on
> one of their trikes with two lights by the sides of the seat. They
> were on the handlebars, I think. That't the sort of thing I have in
> mind.
I tried mounting EL530s on the mudguard mounts on my XXL, but gave up after
one winter ride as water, mud and Skog(tm) were continually thrown forward
by the front tyres and thereafter fetched up on the lenses of the lights.
All my lighting is now mounted on the front derailleur post which, if you
haven't got one, is this much use: 0.
--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk >
Oxymoron: spot cream for chavs.
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 08:55:09
From: Alan Braggins
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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In article <472f6437$0$14478$426a74cc@news.free.fr >, Artemisia wrote:
>Alan Braggins wrote:
>
>> Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?
>
>No, for the moment there's just the 24-spped SRAM on the back.
>> (Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:
>
>That's what Helen uses. It might turn out to be the solution, but I
>would prefer not to have both lights so close together.
I have seen a handlebar stem on an ICE derailleur post, which could
give you a "bumper" with lights as wide as you wanted if you put a
whole handlebar in it. But that doesn't help if you don't have the
derailleur post.
You probably could improvise something with a Space Grip and hose
clip around the boom, but doing it neatly would be harder. The boom
doesn't by any chance have a bottle cage mount you aren't using?
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 09:20:37
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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Alan Braggins wrote:
>
> You probably could improvise something with a Space Grip and hose
> clip around the boom, but doing it neatly would be harder. The boom
> doesn't by any chance have a bottle cage mount you aren't using?
HP Vel helpfully[1] put one on... the derailleur post!
Pete.
[1] well, not very helpful actually, even if you (a) have a DP and (b)
want a drink.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 11:06:24
From: Alan Braggins
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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In article <5paq0tFq8hrkU2@mid.individual.net >, Peter Clinch wrote:
>Alan Braggins wrote:
>>
>> You probably could improvise something with a Space Grip and hose
>> clip around the boom, but doing it neatly would be harder. The boom
>> doesn't by any chance have a bottle cage mount you aren't using?
>
>HP Vel helpfully[1] put one on... the derailleur post!
>Pete.
>[1] well, not very helpful actually, even if you (a) have a DP and (b)
>want a drink.
Helpful if you have a DP and want a light mount like this though:
http://www.ice.hpv.co.uk/custom_trikes/accessories.htm#frontlightmount
And on a touring machine you might well want more bottles than your
easily accessible on the move one, say for your stove fuel. Obviously
having something accessible as well would be even more helpful.
But neither of those are relevent here :-(
I couldn't see a boom mounted one on photos, but thought it was worth
asking just in case.
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 11:25:22
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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Alan Braggins wrote:
> And on a touring machine you might well want more bottles than your
> easily accessible on the move one, say for your stove fuel.
On the Streetmachine they've provided another one on the underside of
the main frame tube, which is also bloody awkward to get at :-(
I just put drink bottles in the lowrider pannier pockets, or put a
pannier on the back rack backwards (as at
http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/smgt-meik.jpg)
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 10:00:34
From: Nigel Cliffe
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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Peter Clinch wrote:
> Alan Braggins wrote:
>>
>> You probably could improvise something with a Space Grip and hose
>> clip around the boom, but doing it neatly would be harder. The boom
>> doesn't by any chance have a bottle cage mount you aren't using?
>
> HP Vel helpfully[1] put one on... the derailleur post!
>
> Pete.
>
> [1] well, not very helpful actually, even if you (a) have a DP and (b)
> want a drink.
HPV don't fit a derailleur post unless you request it, or have a bike with
front derailleur.
A friend found this out when his Grasshopper arrived and he wanted to add
lights. He'd assumed a DP would be fitted as the test-ride bike had one (due
to front derailleur), but he ordered a bike with a SRAM 3x8 rear
transmission.
I think he put a big band around the boom, and fixed stuff to that.
- Nigel
--
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 10:41:52
From: Tim Hall
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:00:34 -0000, "Nigel Cliffe" <me@privacy.net >
wrote:
>
>I think he put a big band around the boom, and fixed stuff to that.
> ^^^^^^^^
(Visions of Glen Miller and chums balancing on the front of the bike,
adorned with misc. Cateyes.)
--
Tim
fast and gripping, non pompous, glossy and credible.
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 19:10:05
From: wafflycat
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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"Artemisia" <nospam@free.fr > wrote in message
news:472f6437$0$14478$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> Alan Braggins wrote:
>
>> Remind me, did you end up with a front derailleur post?
>
> No, for the moment there's just the 24-spped SRAM on the back.
>
>> (Which appears to be a normal Minoura Space Grip:
>
> That's what Helen uses. It might turn out to be the solution, but I would
> prefer not to have both lights so close together.
>
Should be fine. Having two on a Space Grip I find the Cateyes light up the
entire width of a single carriageway and for a goodly distance in front too.
Where I ride there's no street lighting and I find the 2 Cateye 530s to be
entirely adequate.
> Carol Hague and Rob at Westcountry Recumbents had a lighting system on one
> of their trikes with two lights by the sides of the seat. They were on the
> handlebars, I think. That't the sort of thing I have in mind.
>
> EFR
> Ile de France
>
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 03:39:04
From: squeaker
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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You could also ask the folk at www.bentrideronline.com for advice,
'cos several of them have FX's.
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 03:37:32
From: squeaker
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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On 4 Nov, 19:26, Artemisia <nos...@free.fr > wrote:
> I've ordered two Cateye EL530's, since
> Helen is so pleased with hers. But I'm in a quandary as to where to put
> them. No room on the computer mount. I would like them on the front
> boom, one on each side, just next to the wheel axles. But how on earth
> shall I mount them as the diameter of the boom is about 3", much thicker
> than a handlebar?
Judging by:
http://www.hpvelotechnik.com/images/presse/sco_fx_gefaltet_smart2_dreirad.jpg
http://www.hpvelotechnik.com/images/presse/sco_fx_links_dreirad.jpg
and other pics on the HPV site, you are supposed to use the mounting
point on the underside of the boom (under the bottom bracket) with a
B&M type dynamo light mount :(
This would seem to be a major pain in the bum, as I'm not aware of any
commercial adaptors that you could use to mount your 530's from there,
and IMHO a single screw attachment would not be strong / stiff enough
for the weight of two (or even one) decent battery lights. And you do
really want the lights well forward to minimise foot flash.
I suggest that you contact HPV ungently with a suitable plea for help!
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 12:28:45
From: Rob Morley
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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In article <1194262652.612297.315690@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
squeaker
mdcroker@which.net says...
> Judging by:
> http://www.hpvelotechnik.com/images/presse/sco_fx_gefaltet_smart2_dreirad.jpg
> http://www.hpvelotechnik.com/images/presse/sco_fx_links_dreirad.jpg
> and other pics on the HPV site, you are supposed to use the mounting
> point on the underside of the boom (under the bottom bracket) with a
> B&M type dynamo light mount :(
> This would seem to be a major pain in the bum, as I'm not aware of any
> commercial adaptors that you could use to mount your 530's from there,
> and IMHO a single screw attachment would not be strong / stiff enough
> for the weight of two (or even one) decent battery lights. And you do
> really want the lights well forward to minimise foot flash.
How about fitting an extension to the boom using the existing lamp
bracket, and mounting the lights on that? That would put them away from
any obstruction, with a reasonable range of location, and removeable
with a single bolt or clevis pin (although it might need a velcro strap
around the boom too). You could probably reverse it to carry the lights
inboard when they weren't being used, or if the lights were easily
reversible use it as an alternative mounting position.
------------------------------.
BOOM
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 19:36:15
From: Artemisia
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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squeaker wrote:
> This would seem to be a major pain in the bum, as I'm not aware of any
> commercial adaptors that you could use to mount your 530's from there,
> and IMHO a single screw attachment would not be strong / stiff enough
> for the weight of two (or even one) decent battery lights. And you do
> really want the lights well forward to minimise foot flash.
> I suggest that you contact HPV ungently with a suitable plea for help!
I was hoping to put them next to my hips, on the beam that is
perpendicular to my body and feeds into the wheel axles. Is that a bad
place? I don't want the two lights too near each other as this cancels
the advantage of having two of them.
I know the Scorpion makes provision for mounting a B&M dynamo but that
is not my choice of lighting at all...
In fact, there is precious little space on this thing, it's even worse
than an upright. Apparently one isn't allowed to put anything on the
handlebars because it could perturb steering.
EFR
Ile de France
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 09:17:54
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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Artemisia wrote:
> In fact, there is precious little space on this thing, it's even worse
> than an upright. Apparently one isn't allowed to put anything on the
> handlebars because it could perturb steering.
The main problem with lights on underseat bars would be (a) they
restrict the steering lock or (b) will be invisible to points they need
to be seen from.
In either case you can discover whether they're problems with a bit of
experimentation. Put the lights on, see if you can still steer
effectively (you don't even have to be moving). Look at the trike from
all angles at the front and see if you can see them well (preferably
with someone sat in the seat, so you can see if the rider obscures
them). if the answer to both is yes then they'll be fine, otherwise
it's back to the drawing board.
For a Space Grip source another boom with a derailleur post (Phil Cook
actually suggested asking for one specifically for this job back in
August when you were asking where the lights might go...).
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 14:39:07
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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"Artemisia" <nospam@free.fr > wrote in message
news:472f6296$0$12468$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> squeaker wrote:
>
>> This would seem to be a major pain in the bum, as I'm not aware of any
>> commercial adaptors that you could use to mount your 530's from there,
>> and IMHO a single screw attachment would not be strong / stiff enough
>> for the weight of two (or even one) decent battery lights. And you do
>> really want the lights well forward to minimise foot flash.
>> I suggest that you contact HPV ungently with a suitable plea for help!
>
> I was hoping to put them next to my hips, on the beam that is
> perpendicular to my body and feeds into the wheel axles. Is that a bad
> place? I don't want the two lights too near each other as this cancels the
> advantage of having two of them.
>
Have you thought about a helmet mount? You could also mount a strobe light
on the boom.
check out what others are doing for some ideas:
http://greenluck.smugmug.com/
http://greenluck.smugmug.com/gallery/424226#17012951
Also, consider BROL: www.bentrideronline.com as there are many trikers there
with similar issues.
> I know the Scorpion makes provision for mounting a B&M dynamo but that is
> not my choice of lighting at all...
>
> In fact, there is precious little space on this thing, it's even worse
> than an upright. Apparently one isn't allowed to put anything on the
> handlebars because it could perturb steering.
Check out Greenluck's site to get some ideas.
He has a LOT of pics, so you need to carefullly click through his
night-riding journey.
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 07:49:07
From: wafflycat
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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--
...
"Artemisia" <nospam@free.fr > wrote in message
news:472e1cc9$0$15764$426a74cc@news.free.fr...
> Anyway, despite Carol Hague's contention that recumbent trikes are all
> female, I now have no further doubts about his gender.
Oh mine is definitely male too. Always has been. Indeed, all my steeds are
male.
Gino & Luigi Mk II (The Bianchi Brothers)
Mr Norbert Frosty (IceT)
My hybrid is male too, but he won't tell me his name, so he's referred to as
Clint.
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Date: 04 Nov 2007 12:23:13
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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Artemisia wrote:
> On this fair Sunday afternoon I took my new baby out for a short spin,
> along a rather drab, but flat and straight, cycling path not far from
> my home. We did several aller-retours, amounting to about 13 km.
>
> First Impressions
>
> I never noticed before how cambered a lot of streets are. I took a
> short stretch of road to reach my path and I swear my right wheel was
> about 6 inches lower than my left.
>
> STEER, STEER, STEER! This is new. On Fly, I only have to look in a
> direction and he reads my mind and goes there. Not so Widders. I have
> to tell him _everything_. On said cambered road, he kept trying to
> fall into the curb. No dear, go LEFT! Anyway, despite Carol Hague's
> contention that recumbent trikes are all female, I now have no further
> doubts about his gender.
>
> Overgown hedgerows are a problem. They now overhang at face level. I
> wouldn't even have noticed them on a bike.
>
> It is magnificent to be able to stop and just start again! I can be
> polite to families and old ladies. I can respect traffic lights
> without foul language. On a bike, all of this would have unhorsed me
> again and again.
>
> Uphill is a joy. My path was flat, but I spent some time yesterday
> doing the ramp to the upper storey of the underground parking. I used
> to practise getting up this on Myrtille. Shift down, pedal pedal
> pedal, brake, turn, pedal for your life, push, push, push, turn again
> at the top and usually miss the mark. Now, shift down, pedal relax,
> turn, pedal relax to the top, turn again. I kept trying to speed
> until I realized I didn't even have to. It's so zen, I don't even
> break a sweat.
> I had to get in before dusk, not so much because I feared Widders
> would turn into something hairy at the sight of the full Moon, as
> because I don't have lights for him yet. I've ordered two Cateye
> EL530's, since Helen is so pleased with hers. But I'm in a quandary
> as to where to put them. No room on the computer mount. I would like
> them on the front boom, one on each side, just next to the wheel
> axles. But how on earth shall I mount them as the diameter of the
> boom is about 3", much thicker than a handlebar?
>
> This is supposedly a folding trike but my first attempt to fold it
> failed miserably. I did get the seat off. But the quick release clamp
> for the fold didn't seem to release anything, and getting the seat
> back on was about 45 minutes of panicky sweat. The manual is most
> unhelpful because there are almost no illustrations so you can never
> tell what it is talking about; OTOH it is constantly telling you how
> much danger you are in if you put things back incorrectly. I will
> write to HP Velotechnik demanding more diagrams and better tech
> writing (given that it's my own profession.)
>
> EFR
> Ile de France
Before Jobst flames you for posting a ride report here ( :-P ) and then
starts another political thread, let me just say, "Charming."
Bill "happy trials and trails (and streets and paths)" S.
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Date: 04 Nov 2007 15:00:13
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Artemisia wrote:
>> On this fair Sunday afternoon I took my new baby out for a short spin,
>> along a rather drab, but flat and straight, cycling path not far from
>> my home. We did several aller-retours, amounting to about 13 km.
>>
>> First Impressions
>>
>> I never noticed before how cambered a lot of streets are. I took a
>> short stretch of road to reach my path and I swear my right wheel was
>> about 6 inches lower than my left.
>>
>> STEER, STEER, STEER! This is new. On Fly, I only have to look in a
>> direction and he reads my mind and goes there. Not so Widders. I have
>> to tell him _everything_. On said cambered road, he kept trying to
>> fall into the curb. No dear, go LEFT! Anyway, despite Carol Hague's
>> contention that recumbent trikes are all female, I now have no further
>> doubts about his gender.
>>
>> Overgown hedgerows are a problem. They now overhang at face level. I
>> wouldn't even have noticed them on a bike.
>>
>> It is magnificent to be able to stop and just start again! I can be
>> polite to families and old ladies. I can respect traffic lights
>> without foul language. On a bike, all of this would have unhorsed me
>> again and again.
>>
>> Uphill is a joy. My path was flat, but I spent some time yesterday
>> doing the ramp to the upper storey of the underground parking. I used
>> to practise getting up this on Myrtille. Shift down, pedal pedal
>> pedal, brake, turn, pedal for your life, push, push, push, turn again
>> at the top and usually miss the mark. Now, shift down, pedal relax,
>> turn, pedal relax to the top, turn again. I kept trying to speed
>> until I realized I didn't even have to. It's so zen, I don't even
>> break a sweat.
>> I had to get in before dusk, not so much because I feared Widders
>> would turn into something hairy at the sight of the full Moon, as
>> because I don't have lights for him yet. I've ordered two Cateye
>> EL530's, since Helen is so pleased with hers. But I'm in a quandary
>> as to where to put them. No room on the computer mount. I would like
>> them on the front boom, one on each side, just next to the wheel
>> axles. But how on earth shall I mount them as the diameter of the
>> boom is about 3", much thicker than a handlebar?
>>
>> This is supposedly a folding trike but my first attempt to fold it
>> failed miserably. I did get the seat off. But the quick release clamp
>> for the fold didn't seem to release anything, and getting the seat
>> back on was about 45 minutes of panicky sweat. The manual is most
>> unhelpful because there are almost no illustrations so you can never
>> tell what it is talking about; OTOH it is constantly telling you how
>> much danger you are in if you put things back incorrectly. I will
>> write to HP Velotechnik demanding more diagrams and better tech
>> writing (given that it's my own profession.)
>
> Before Jobst flames you for posting a ride report here ( :-P ) and then
> starts another political thread, let me just say, "Charming."
to quote Neil Brooks:
"
l
e
t
i
t
g
o
B
i
l
l
.
"
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 13:35:13
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com > wrote in message
news:fglbup$bgo$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Artemisia wrote:
>>> On this fair Sunday afternoon I took my new baby out for a short spin,
>>> along a rather drab, but flat and straight, cycling path not far from
>>> my home. We did several aller-retours, amounting to about 13 km.
>>>
>>> First Impressions
>>>
>>> I never noticed before how cambered a lot of streets are. I took a
>>> short stretch of road to reach my path and I swear my right wheel was
>>> about 6 inches lower than my left.
>>>
>>> STEER, STEER, STEER! This is new. On Fly, I only have to look in a
>>> direction and he reads my mind and goes there. Not so Widders. I have
>>> to tell him _everything_. On said cambered road, he kept trying to
>>> fall into the curb. No dear, go LEFT! Anyway, despite Carol Hague's
>>> contention that recumbent trikes are all female, I now have no further
>>> doubts about his gender.
>>>
snip
Widdershins is a wonderful word. I haven't seen anywhere except in the book
"Dahlgren (Samuel Delaney)", and the subject of the thread. Of course I had
to check Google and there are lots of references to widdershins, but when I
read Dahlgre it would be several years until I got my first computer and
more years until the invention of Google.
Being over here in our little corner of ARBR, this tread only appeared as a
"re:" and I have no idea about the rest of the thread, so if this comment is
redundant, I apologize in advance; Artemisa, I read your camber comment and
am wondering why you are pedaling in the right lane, against the flow of
traffic. I would expect you, being on the right coast of the big pond, to be
riding happily and safely in the left lane with your left tire somewhat
below the right one.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 19:49:16
From: Don Whybrow
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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gotbent wrote:
>
> Widdershins is a wonderful word. I haven't seen anywhere except in the book
> "Dahlgren (Samuel Delaney)", and the subject of the thread. Of course I had
> to check Google and there are lots of references to widdershins, but when I
> read Dahlgre it would be several years until I got my first computer and
> more years until the invention of Google.
I can't remember it in that book, but then there is a lot in there that
was difficult to figure out. I'm not sure I ever understood it all.
--
Don Whybrow
Sequi Bonum Non Time
"This seems like a case where we need to shoot the messenger."
(Charlie Kaufman on Cypherpunks list)
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 14:59:04
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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"Don Whybrow" <don@fwhybrow.wanadoo.co.uk > wrote in message
news:5pbuq3Fqdt4eU1@mid.individual.net...
> gotbent wrote:
>>
>> Widdershins is a wonderful word. I haven't seen anywhere except in the
>> book "Dahlgren (Samuel Delaney)", and the subject of the thread. Of
>> course I had to check Google and there are lots of references to
>> widdershins, but when I read Dahlgre it would be several years until I
>> got my first computer and more years until the invention of Google.
>
> I can't remember it in that book, but then there is a lot in there that
> was difficult to figure out. I'm not sure I ever understood it all.
>
>
> --
> Don Whybrow
>
> Sequi Bonum Non Time
>
> "This seems like a case where we need to shoot the messenger."
> (Charlie Kaufman on Cypherpunks list)
Widdershins and diesel.
--
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 08:34:34
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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gotbent wrote:
> Widdershins is a wonderful word. I haven't seen anywhere except in the book
> "Dahlgren (Samuel Delaney)", and the subject of the thread. Of course I had
> to check Google and there are lots of references to widdershins, but when I
> read Dahlgre it would be several years until I got my first computer and
> more years until the invention of Google.
The term crops up a lot in Terry Pratchett's "Discworld" series, which
is highly popular for a good reason. I'd ignored the series at first as
I don't really "do" fantasy literature, but it's proof that a good book
is a good book and having been given "Mort" to read on a washout day
have been hooked ever since.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 19:39:54
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
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"gotbent" <gotbent@spamtrap.com > wrote in message
news:472f64a4$0$26504$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> Being over here in our little corner of ARBR, this tread only appeared as
> a "re:" and I have no idea about the rest of the thread, so if this
> comment is redundant, I apologize in advance; Artemisa, I read your camber
> comment and am wondering why you are pedaling in the right lane, against
> the flow of traffic. I would expect you, being on the right coast of the
> big pond, to be riding happily and safely in the left lane with your left
> tire somewhat below the right one.
She may be rightpondian, but in .fr rather than .uk.
cheers,
clive
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Date: 04 Nov 2007 13:43:16
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
|
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Artemisia wrote:
>>> On this fair Sunday afternoon I took my new baby out for a short
>>> spin, along a rather drab, but flat and straight, cycling path not
>>> far from my home. We did several aller-retours, amounting to about
>>> 13 km. First Impressions
>>>
>>> I never noticed before how cambered a lot of streets are. I took a
>>> short stretch of road to reach my path and I swear my right wheel
>>> was about 6 inches lower than my left.
>>>
>>> STEER, STEER, STEER! This is new. On Fly, I only have to look in a
>>> direction and he reads my mind and goes there. Not so Widders. I
>>> have to tell him _everything_. On said cambered road, he kept
>>> trying to fall into the curb. No dear, go LEFT! Anyway, despite
>>> Carol Hague's contention that recumbent trikes are all female, I
>>> now have no further doubts about his gender.
>>>
>>> Overgown hedgerows are a problem. They now overhang at face level. I
>>> wouldn't even have noticed them on a bike.
>>>
>>> It is magnificent to be able to stop and just start again! I can be
>>> polite to families and old ladies. I can respect traffic lights
>>> without foul language. On a bike, all of this would have unhorsed me
>>> again and again.
>>>
>>> Uphill is a joy. My path was flat, but I spent some time yesterday
>>> doing the ramp to the upper storey of the underground parking. I
>>> used to practise getting up this on Myrtille. Shift down, pedal
>>> pedal pedal, brake, turn, pedal for your life, push, push, push,
>>> turn again at the top and usually miss the mark. Now, shift down,
>>> pedal relax, turn, pedal relax to the top, turn again. I kept
>>> trying to speed until I realized I didn't even have to. It's so
>>> zen, I don't even break a sweat.
>>> I had to get in before dusk, not so much because I feared Widders
>>> would turn into something hairy at the sight of the full Moon, as
>>> because I don't have lights for him yet. I've ordered two Cateye
>>> EL530's, since Helen is so pleased with hers. But I'm in a quandary
>>> as to where to put them. No room on the computer mount. I would like
>>> them on the front boom, one on each side, just next to the wheel
>>> axles. But how on earth shall I mount them as the diameter of the
>>> boom is about 3", much thicker than a handlebar?
>>>
>>> This is supposedly a folding trike but my first attempt to fold it
>>> failed miserably. I did get the seat off. But the quick release
>>> clamp for the fold didn't seem to release anything, and getting the
>>> seat back on was about 45 minutes of panicky sweat. The manual is
>>> most unhelpful because there are almost no illustrations so you can
>>> never tell what it is talking about; OTOH it is constantly telling
>>> you how much danger you are in if you put things back incorrectly.
>>> I will write to HP Velotechnik demanding more diagrams and better
>>> tech writing (given that it's my own profession.)
>>
>> Before Jobst flames you for posting a ride report here ( :-P ) and
>> then starts another political thread, let me just say, "Charming."
>
> to quote Neil Brooks:
>
> "
> l
> e
> t
>
> i
> t
>
> g
> o
>
> B
> i
> l
> l
> .
> "
I plonked Neil so I wouldn't be tempted to flame him, OR be subject to his
slander and lies, so he can thank you for this*: Hope his wife (his main
support other than Vicadin and Disability even though he's healthy as a
horse) didn't lose her job when Planned Parenthood was busted for telling
underage pregnant girls to lie about their age so they wouldn't have to
report their statutory rapists to the authorities. He can always take his
Magic Flying Prus (sic tm) to France again, I guess. Or ride one of his two
$6K Mootses. Disability and chemical/spousal dependence really pay!
OK, time to let go again...
Bill "I hear the blogs are hiring!" S.
*He swore he plonked me, so won't see that. Right.
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Date: 04 Nov 2007 15:47:28
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Widdershins, First Outing
|
Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>
>>> Before Jobst flames you for posting a ride report here ( :-P ) and
>>> then starts another political thread, let me just say, "Charming."
>> to quote Neil Brooks:
>>
>> "
>> l
>> e
>> t
>>
>> i
>> t
>>
>> g
>> o
>>
>> B
>> i
>> l
>> l
>> .
>> "
>
> I plonked Neil so I wouldn't be tempted to flame him, OR be subject to his
> slander and lies, so he can thank you for this*: Hope his wife (his main
> support other than Vicadin and Disability even though he's healthy as a
> horse) didn't lose her job when Planned Parenthood was busted for telling
> underage pregnant girls to lie about their age so they wouldn't have to
> report their statutory rapists to the authorities. He can always take his
> Magic Flying Prus (sic tm) to France again, I guess. Or ride one of his two
> $6K Mootses. Disability and chemical/spousal dependence really pay!
>
> OK, time to let go again...
>
> Bill "I hear the blogs are hiring!" S.
>
> *He swore he plonked me, so won't see that. Right.
Real classy post there Mr. Sornson - posting personal gossip.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
When did ignorance of biology become a "family value"?
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