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Date: 09 Sep 2006 16:23:15
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: getting sick all the time and training

Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?

Date: 12 Sep 2006 22:06:16
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

>
> I've been there. Getting treatment for my sinus problems and getting my
> allergies under control have been the best things I've ever done to
> improve my day-to-day health. I just wish that I hadn't waited so long
> to seek medical care.

Coincidentally, I just got a referral for a sinus CT scan. Thank you!!

Date: 13 Sep 2006 12:34:56
From: Paul O
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I've been there. Getting treatment for my sinus problems and getting my
>> allergies under control have been the best things I've ever done to
>> improve my day-to-day health. I just wish that I hadn't waited so long
>> to seek medical care.
>
> Coincidentally, I just got a referral for a sinus CT scan. Thank you!!
>

A CT scan is usually the first step. I'm glad you are getting checked out.

I hope you don't need nasal surgery because it is not pleasant. I know
that first hand.

For me, undergoing nasal surgery was definitely worth it. Over the
years, my nasal passages had slowly become more and more restricted.
After the surgery, I was amazed to discover the pleasure of freely
breathing through my nose again! I could breathe better and I could even
detect odors better (which is a mixed blessing).

Ideally, you want to get your allergies and sinus infections under
control before your sinuses are severely damaged.

However, if you do end up in surgery, I suggest that you opt for the
least invasive surgical procedure possible. Your doc may diagnose a
deviated septum and recommend correcting it. You might want to give that
procedure a pass unless this problem is severe. Talk to your doctor,
discuss all of your options, and don't be afraid to seek a second opinion.

Also, don't listen to any medical advise you get from strangers that you
meet on a news group. ;-)

Good Luck
Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC).

Date: 12 Sep 2006 22:05:05
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

I am really grateful to those who provided specific advice. Despite the
expectations that I won't follow any recommendations anyway, I actually
have made some decisions/conclusions I am sumizing below:

I started seeing an asthma/allergy specialist who works with athletes.

I am thinking about consulting with a coach, but I haven't looked into
that deeply (i.e. I don't even know if I can afford one).

I will be ster about the way I ride and will incorporate slower
rides into my routine. I will try to ride more with a group, and will
try to keep my testosterone-induced reflexes under control. I will
stick with the faster groups (yes, those who can kick my @ss), and will
quit trying to beat as many riders as I can on every uphill on every
ride.

I am reading a book on nutrition, and will incorporate
supplements/multivitamins which so far I've been hoping I was getting
from regular food I take (which was not a very diverse menu).

The best one: I will quit smoking. Kidding. :)

Thank you, all, again. And yeah, my current 2-week long cold is almost
over (knock on wood) and the bike is due back from the service, so see
you on the road.

Date: 11 Sep 2006 11:09:36
From: Paul O
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?
>

It could be related to over-training, but it sounds more like chronic
sinus infections brought on by allergies. You should go see a
otolaryngology specialist (an ear, nose, & throat doctor) to have your
sinuses checked out. Repeated sinus infections can lead to all sorts of
problems including the growth of nasal polyps which may require removal
by surgery. The doctor will probably also recommend that you be tested
to find out if you are allergic to any of the common airborne allergens.
See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinus_infection

I've been there. Getting treatment for my sinus problems and getting my
allergies under control have been the best things I've ever done to
improve my day-to-day health. I just wish that I hadn't waited so long
to seek medical care.

Good Luck
Paul D Oosterhout
I work for SAIC (but I don't speak for SAIC).

Date: 11 Sep 2006 05:50:13
From:
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

You actually need to take in some fats and you definitely need to take
in vitamines. Everyone here is looking for a biking cause for your
frequent illnesses. Overtraining is probably the likely culprit.
But....make sure you see a physician to be screened for some of the
other potential culprits. You never know.

As for nuitrition, you could try the old vitamin c and zinc
combination. Zinc has been studied for reducing the severity of viral
infections like the cold but probably not yet for prevention. You
could also consider a link between allergens which you are exposed to
when riding. An exacerbation of allergies can lead to colds and sinus
infections. Treating allergies may help.

Good luck!!!!!!!!!!

Mcap

Roger Zoul wrote:
> Dogfighting wrote:
> :: Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
> :: consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>
> 60% carbs and 40% protein is not healthy.
>
> ::
> :: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> ::: Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started
> ::: having these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I
> ::: just mean riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal
> ::: after all, pros ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel
> ::: greatand not overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze
> ::: around me. What supplements should I take to stop this? Any
> ::: comments?
> :::
> ::
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 18:10:31
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Bill Baka wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> > Bill Baka wrote:
> >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> >>> Bill Baka wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
> >>>> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
> >>>> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
> >>>> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
> >>>> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
> >>>> and sanity outweigh the money.
> >>> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
> >>> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
> >>>
> >> ...
> >> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
> >> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
> >> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
> >> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
> >> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
> >
> > I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
> > hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
> > able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.
> >
> > The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
> > one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
> > costs.
> >
> It also has the side benefit of discouraging kids to take engineering
> courses in college because they see there is no future in it. Once we
> have decimated our own abilities and are dependent on all the countries
> we helped we will become the poor country. There is a backlash effect
> but nobody is paying attention. When most of our products come from a
> communist country to the point that we are dependent on them, then what?
> New American jobs created by Bush..."Do you want fries with that?"!!!!

It is called FREE KET CAPITALISM, where the bottom line rules.
Capital will go to where it can be used to make the most profit, and if
that is China or India, who are we to argue with the FREE KET?

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Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:16:56
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>>>>>> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>>>>>> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>>>>>> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>>>>>> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>>>>>> and sanity outweigh the money.
>>>>> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
>>>>> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>>>> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
>>>> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
>>>> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
>>>> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
>>> I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
>>> hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
>>> able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.
>>>
>>> The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
>>> one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
>>> costs.
>>>
>> It also has the side benefit of discouraging kids to take engineering
>> courses in college because they see there is no future in it. Once we
>> have decimated our own abilities and are dependent on all the countries
>> we helped we will become the poor country. There is a backlash effect
>> but nobody is paying attention. When most of our products come from a
>> communist country to the point that we are dependent on them, then what?
>> New American jobs created by Bush..."Do you want fries with that?"!!!!
>
> It is called FREE KET CAPITALISM, where the bottom line rules.
> Capital will go to where it can be used to make the most profit, and if
> that is China or India, who are we to argue with the FREE KET?
>
The next POOR country.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 17:42:03
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

> That is non-sence... or is that non-sense -:)
>

Sorry for this. :) I am sure there are other things up there that give
me out as a non-native speaker/speller.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 16:34:21
From: yeahyeah
Subject: Paging Dr. Coggan

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
> > consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>
> I've heard (again, unverified) that taking multivitamins makes you
> dependent on them. Not in the addiction sence, but in the sence that
> your body stops producing/uptaking them as efficiently.

Please reply.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 23:45:18
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Paging Dr. Coggan

yeahyeah wrote:
> runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>>Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>>>consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>>
>>I've heard (again, unverified) that taking multivitamins makes you
>>dependent on them. Not in the addiction sence, but in the sence that
>>your body stops producing/uptaking them as efficiently.
>
>
> Please reply.
>

Well, it's true for steroids anyhow ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/mor7n

Steve

Date: 10 Sep 2006 16:01:07
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

> Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.

I've heard (again, unverified) that taking multivitamins makes you
dependent on them. Not in the addiction sence, but in the sence that
your body stops producing/uptaking them as efficiently.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 20:14:26
From: Dogfighting
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>>Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>>consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>
>
> I've heard (again, unverified) that taking multivitamins makes you
> dependent on them. Not in the addiction sence, but in the sence that
> your body stops producing/uptaking them as efficiently.
>

That is non-sence... or is that non-sense -:)

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Date: 10 Sep 2006 19:44:28
From: Chris BeHanna
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Followups trimmed to r.b.m.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:01:07 -0700, runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:

>> Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>
> I've heard (again, unverified) that taking multivitamins makes you
> dependent on them. Not in the addiction sence, but in the sence that
> your body stops producing/uptaking them as efficiently.

Your body does not produce vitamins in the first place (with the
exception, perhaps of vitamin D).

I'm not sure you heard what you heard, but it sounds pretty
preposterous to me.

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Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:15:58
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Chris BeHanna wrote:
> Followups trimmed to r.b.m.
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:01:07 -0700, runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>> Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>>> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>> I've heard (again, unverified) that taking multivitamins makes you
>> dependent on them. Not in the addiction sence, but in the sence that
>> your body stops producing/uptaking them as efficiently.
>
> Your body does not produce vitamins in the first place (with the
> exception, perhaps of vitamin D).

Yeah,
But,
Your body produces vitamin D in response to sunshine, which you don't
get if you use sun block. The one thing you need to take supplements on
is Calcium, which I do by taking Tums, something a friend got me hooked
on. You can get Calcium by eating Sardines with the bones in, but that
would get old in a hurry.
Bill Baka
>
> I'm not sure you heard what you heard, but it sounds pretty
> preposterous to me.
>

Date: 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54
From: Dogfighting
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?
>

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Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:48:12
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Dogfighting wrote:
:: Pick up a book on nutrition. 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
:: consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.

60% carbs and 40% protein is not healthy.

::
:: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
::: Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started
::: having these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I
::: just mean riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal
::: after all, pros ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel
::: greatand not overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze
::: around me. What supplements should I take to stop this? Any
::: comments?
:::
::
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 19:10:46
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com > wrote:

>60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.

Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
to have zero fat?

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Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:52:22
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
:: On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com >
:: wrote:
::
::: 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
::: consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
::
:: Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
:: to have zero fat?

No, and living on anything near 60% carbs, 40% protein will kill you. The
body needs certain fats to maintain optimal health. They are known as
essential fats.

Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:12:05
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com> wrote:
>
>> 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>
> Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
> to have zero fat?
>
Lots of fruits and veggies is obvious, but steamed white fish I get at a
Chinese buffet is great, and I buy chicken breast and steam it so any
residual fat just falls into the water. Canned Tuna is good too. Stay
away from any restaurant of any kind and don't buy red meat. The only
place I ever go out to eat is the Chinese buffet where it is an all you
can eat and I load up on fish and Broccoli culled from the Broccoli-Beef
section. Then I can wait an hour and ride most of it off. One meal a day
plan, weird but healthy. Your body can make any fat it needs.
Bill Baka

Date: 11 Sep 2006 13:33:55
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:9%7Ng.186$ov2.115@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
> >> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
> >
> > Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
> > to have zero fat?
> >
> Lots of fruits and veggies is obvious, but steamed white fish I get at a
> Chinese buffet is great, and I buy chicken breast and steam it so any
> residual fat just falls into the water. Canned Tuna is good too. Stay
> away from any restaurant of any kind and don't buy red meat. The only
> place I ever go out to eat is the Chinese buffet where it is an all you
> can eat and I load up on fish and Broccoli culled from the Broccoli-Beef
> section. Then I can wait an hour and ride most of it off. One meal a day
> plan, weird but healthy. Your body can make any fat it needs.
> Bill Baka

If the body can make any fat it needs, then why do people die from eating
lean protein alone? This is known as "rabbit starvation". Eating foods that
contain so-called healthy fats (including omega-3's and omega-6's) is
essential to good health. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat

-Tony

Date: 11 Sep 2006 18:17:28
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Tony S. wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:9%7Ng.186$ov2.115@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>>>> consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>>> Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
>>> to have zero fat?
>>>
>> Lots of fruits and veggies is obvious, but steamed white fish I get at a
>> Chinese buffet is great, and I buy chicken breast and steam it so any
>> residual fat just falls into the water. Canned Tuna is good too. Stay
>> away from any restaurant of any kind and don't buy red meat. The only
>> place I ever go out to eat is the Chinese buffet where it is an all you
>> can eat and I load up on fish and Broccoli culled from the Broccoli-Beef
>> section. Then I can wait an hour and ride most of it off. One meal a day
>> plan, weird but healthy. Your body can make any fat it needs.
>> Bill Baka
>
> If the body can make any fat it needs, then why do people die from eating
> lean protein alone? This is known as "rabbit starvation". Eating foods that
> contain so-called healthy fats (including omega-3's and omega-6's) is
> essential to good health. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat
>
> -Tony
>
>
I remember that fad. People were getting protein in a bottle and nothing
else. There was also the 'water' diet about 30 years ago where people
just drank water when they got hungry. Both diets killed people. Eating
lean chicken breast and fish will still get enough residual fat and
Omega's into the body. Vegetarians and the still more radical vegans
manage to survive without eating any animal products, but there are
certain fats in vegetables. Think olive oil, palm, cannola, corn,
rapeseed, and more. If you eat reasonably normal food and not processed
sugar or liquid protein you should be OK.
Bill Baka

Date: 10 Sep 2006 20:12:35
From: Dogfighting
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com> wrote:
>
>
>>60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>>consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>
>
> Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
> to have zero fat?
>
Protein comes in lean Chicken and lean Beef along with the necessary fats.

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Date: 10 Sep 2006 20:36:36
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:12:35 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com > wrote:

>John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
>>>consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
>>
>>
>> Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
>> to have zero fat?
>>
>Protein comes in lean Chicken and lean Beef along with the necessary fats.

So with a little fat in the stuff you mention the guy is getting what,
110%? That's great -- we should give 110% effort in races and eat 110%
too!

JT

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Date: 11 Sep 2006 10:07:43
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> So with a little fat in the stuff you mention the guy is getting what,
> 110%? That's great -- we should give 110% effort in races and eat 110%
> too!

Super-motivated ?

Date: 10 Sep 2006 17:46:04
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

In article <5rb9g2pasgja314673elrgu3jkv7s0f3i2@4ax.com >,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:12:35 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com> wrote:
>
> >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and
> >>>consider taking a high quality multi-vitamin.
> >>
> >>
> >> Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
> >> to have zero fat?
> >>
> >Protein comes in lean Chicken and lean Beef along with the necessary fats.
>
> So with a little fat in the stuff you mention the guy is getting what,
> 110%? That's great -- we should give 110% effort in races and eat 110%
> too!

Many people eat far more than 110% - that's why they're fatties.

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Date: 10 Sep 2006 23:47:07
From: Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Date: 11 Sep 2006 10:14:06
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> How about fiber? My hemorrhoids want to know.

No shit, your hemorrhoids can talk ?

Date: 11 Sep 2006 14:50:35
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Donald Munro wrote:

> Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>
>> How about fiber? My hemorrhoids want to know.
>
>
> No shit, your hemorrhoids can talk ?
>
>
>
>

Telekinesis, too. Oh, and they can sing "Hello Dolly".

Steve (yes shit)

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Date: 10 Sep 2006 20:13:27
From: Dogfighting
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>
>
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 16:46:54 -0400, Dogfighting <none@none.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> 60% carbohydrates and 40% protein and consider taking a high quality
>>> multi-vitamin.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you live on zero fat? And what kind of food would one have to eat
>> to have zero fat?
>>
>
>
> How about fiber? My hemorrhoids want to know.

Lots of carbohydrates have fibre, ever here of whole wheat bread or ALL
BRAN ?

>
> Steve
>

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Date: 10 Sep 2006 13:32:31
From: Scott A Johnson
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:29:22
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Bill Baka wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> > Bill Baka wrote:
> >> ...
> >> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
> >> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
> >> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
> >> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
> >> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
> >> and sanity outweigh the money.
> >
> > Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
> > less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
> >
> ...
> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.

I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.

The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
costs.

--
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 18:02:04
From: Chris BeHanna
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Followups trimmed to r.b.m.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:22 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:

> Bill Baka wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>> > Bill Baka wrote:
>> >> ...
>> >> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>> >> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>> >> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>> >> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>> >> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>> >> and sanity outweigh the money.
>> >
>> > Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
>> > less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>> >
>> ...
>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
>> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
>> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
>> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
>
> I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
> hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
> able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.
>
> The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
> one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
> costs.

Unfortunately, that often leads to the need for a complete do-over
of the entire project, as requirements get misunderstood, or the quality
of implementation is very poor.

The "scrum" model of development might be a reasonable way to do
outsourcing (short "sprints" of development, at the end of which, the
project must be able to actually run and be working), instead of "throw it
over the wall, wait six months, and see what comes slithering back."

Even at that, my experience has been that although the overseas
folks are very st, they tend to have very little practical experience,
and none at all in the realm of actual software engineering.

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Date: 10 Sep 2006 22:27:00
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Chris BeHanna wrote:
> Followups trimmed to r.b.m.
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 06:29:22 -0700, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>>>>> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>>>>> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>>>>> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>>>>> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>>>>> and sanity outweigh the money.
>>>> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
>>>> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>>>>
>>> ...
>>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>>> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
>>> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
>>> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
>>> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
>> I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
>> hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
>> able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.
>>
>> The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
>> one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
>> costs.
>
> Unfortunately, that often leads to the need for a complete do-over
> of the entire project, as requirements get misunderstood, or the quality
> of implementation is very poor.
>
> The "scrum" model of development might be a reasonable way to do
> outsourcing (short "sprints" of development, at the end of which, the
> project must be able to actually run and be working), instead of "throw it
> over the wall, wait six months, and see what comes slithering back."
>
> Even at that, my experience has been that although the overseas
> folks are very st, they tend to have very little practical experience,
> and none at all in the realm of actual software engineering.
>
Hardware too, in my case. Lousy engineers, but if you throw enough of
them at a project eventually one will come up with something. Ten heads
are better than one, at least in China.
Bill Baka

Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:57:03
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Baka wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>>>> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>>>> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>>>> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>>>> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>>>> and sanity outweigh the money.
>>> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
>>> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>>>
>> ...
>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>> that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
>> require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
>> I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
>> isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
>
> I know of salaried professionals who with unpaid overtime make actual
> hourly wages in the $15-20/hour range. If they are lucky they might be
> able to find a single bedroom condominium they can afford.
>
> The growing trend is to outsource professional work to SE Asia, with
> one person in the US doing final review, which greatly reduces labor
> costs.
>
It also has the side benefit of discouraging kids to take engineering
courses in college because they see there is no future in it. Once we
have decimated our own abilities and are dependent on all the countries
we helped we will become the poor country. There is a backlash effect
but nobody is paying attention. When most of our products come from a
communist country to the point that we are dependent on them, then what?
New American jobs created by Bush..."Do you want fries with that?"!!!!
Bill Baka

Date: 11 Sep 2006 01:22:30
From: William R. Mattil
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Bill Baka wrote:

> New American jobs created by Bush..."Do you want fries with that?"!!!!
> Bill Baka

Yawn....

Why don't you have a nice tall glass of Kool Aid.

Bill
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Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:18:24
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

William R. Mattil wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>
>
>> New American jobs created by Bush..."Do you want fries with that?"!!!!
>> Bill Baka
>
> Yawn....
>
> Why don't you have a nice tall glass of Kool Aid.
>
> Bill

So I take it you have a job that is out sourcing proof?
Baka San.

Date: 11 Sep 2006 02:13:18
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

William R. Mattil wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>
>
>> New American jobs created by Bush..."Do you want fries with
>> that?"!!!! Bill Baka
>
> Yawn....
>
> Why don't you have a nice tall glass of Kool Aid.

Or rather, "Blog Aid".

Date: 09 Sep 2006 23:30:13
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).
>
> I thought I would solve the "need to pass everyone" problem by joining
> organized rides. I do not mind riding at a slower pace and being
> soical. But all organized rides stop for 15 min on top of every major
> climb b/c of the non-drop policy. I find it a waste of my time stopping
> every hour for 15 min. After all, I need to get back to work by a
> certain hour, so a 3 hour ride becoming a 4 hr ride for no reason does
> not work for me.

Maybe the haste you demonstrate here feeds into the
way you approach training. However, that's a side issue.
For everybody but a pro, somewhere there is a group ride
(not necessarily a very organized ride) that goes faster
than you. Find that ride. Riding with people slower than
you is fine for sociability, but especially when you are just
starting and don't know what you are doing, you get faster
by riding with people faster than you.

Ben

Date: 09 Sep 2006 23:18:07
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

> Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).

I thought I would solve the "need to pass everyone" problem by joining
organized rides. I do not mind riding at a slower pace and being
soical. But all organized rides stop for 15 min on top of every major
climb b/c of the non-drop policy. I find it a waste of my time stopping
every hour for 15 min. After all, I need to get back to work by a
certain hour, so a 3 hour ride becoming a 4 hr ride for no reason does
not work for me.

Date: 11 Sep 2006 08:09:57
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

On 9 Sep 2006 23:18:07 -0700, runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:

> I thought I would solve the "need to pass everyone" problem by joining
> organized rides. I do not mind riding at a slower pace and being
> soical. But all organized rides stop for 15 min on top of every major
> climb b/c of the non-drop policy.

If you live in a city of any size and you're not a pro, there will be
groups that can kick your arse. Find them.

--
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 08:43:48
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

In article
<1157869087.594479.183800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"runcyclexcski@yahoo.com" <runcyclexcski@yahoo.com >
wrote:

> > Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).
>
> I thought I would solve the "need to pass everyone" problem by joining
> organized rides. I do not mind riding at a slower pace and being
> soical. But all organized rides stop for 15 min on top of every major
> climb b/c of the non-drop policy. I find it a waste of my time stopping
> every hour for 15 min. After all, I need to get back to work by a
> certain hour, so a 3 hour ride becoming a 4 hr ride for no reason does
> not work for me.

That settles it. You are driven. You speak about your high
pressure work environment, and now it is clear that you
are one of the chief instigators. Waiting for anyone is a
waste of time. If you can possibly pass someone, then you
will. No judgment here. My advice is to proceed as you are
and see it through to wherever it takes you.

--
Michael Press

Date: 09 Sep 2006 22:30:41
From:
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
> that much.

This is consistent with 90% of workers in my area being on H1B. Just
enough to maintain my bike.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:37:36
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>> $50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
>> that much.
>
> This is consistent with 90% of workers in my area being on H1B. Just
> enough to maintain my bike.
>
Depends.
Like I just posted I have had nibbles at the 6 figure level but that
required a commitment to live in the Bay Area away from home all week.
I'm ried with a live at home 27 year old daughter taking her time
going through college. I make enough to pay her way and she gets some
grants due to her 4.? GPA. Better to me to have to watch my money than
to work myself into the ground in a damn cubicle. I used to lead a
classic Dilbert life at work and some of the bosses approached the
pointy haired one in stupidity.
Freedom from working for idiots means a lot to me.
Bill Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 22:20:03
From:
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

bike to work, bike back from work, bike during work, nothing against
Brits.

Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:51:44
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.

yeah, that's me. People don't do my kind of job for the sake of money.

Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:49:01
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

age,

30

weight

175/6.0"

general fitness level

threshold 180-185 with max BPM of 195, Vomax 65, 7+ L lung capacity
(when I am not sick); the rest is compensated by pain tolerance.

Diet?

high protein, high carb, fresh veggies, fruits for desert

Vitamins

I think I get them from the fruits.

Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:46:16
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Bill Baka wrote:
> ...
> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
> and sanity outweigh the money.

Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.

--
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Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:21:54
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> ...
>> Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
>> think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
>> jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
>> requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
>> time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
>> and sanity outweigh the money.
>
> Near 6 figure income? A lot of people work salary jobs like this for
> less than $50,000 (USD) per year in major urban areas.
>
My last one was $75,000 (USD) and I was due for a raise when 9/11 ruined
the company. I am (or was before H-1Bs) a damn good engineer and always
got respect and money for what I did. When they let me go, the project I
was working on stopped dead because nobody else could understand what I
was doing. Some other engineers worked on that for 6 months and still
couldn't get it, then the company went belly up, due to accounting fraud
by the very guy who had a bug up his butt for me and laid me off.
Those engineers were friends of mine and I tried to help them when they
called me, but, really, it was no longer my problem. I designed over the
years, a lot of circuits that could have been patented and made the
company big money for a while, but none of them ever wanted to bother.
Now I laugh when I see something I invented 10-15-20 years ago show up
in NASA tech briefs with licensing information. What a crock. One of
NASA's inventions had been done by me in 1985 and is out there in the
world, probably still working, since i did variations of it at 3
different companies.
$50,000 to live in a major urban area? I wouldn't get out of bed for
that much. I have had proposals for $115,000-$135,000 but they all would
require me to stay in the Bay area all week and maybe some weekends too.
I could buy a mini Winnebago and not have to pay motel bills but it just
isn't worth it to me at this point in my life.
Bill Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:38:30
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

> I do it routinely on hot days when I go up into the mountains. On some
> occasions I have had to dip the bottle below the stuff floating on top.
> Looking into the bottle there is a myriad of little things swimming, but
> I consider them free protein.

that's why I bought it. My theory ('theory") is that people get sick
around other people unless it's some exotic animal-to-human disease).
On my numerous trips to the wilderness, experiencing
wind/snow/cold_wet_feet_24_hrs_a_day/sleepless_nights_because_its_too_cold
I have never got sick. In the civilization, it takes an open window to
knock me down. I bet your trick with the bottle wouldn't work in Japan
where they use human feces as fertilizes (unverified information, but I
am too sick to google it).

Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:05:33
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I do it routinely on hot days when I go up into the mountains. On some
>> occasions I have had to dip the bottle below the stuff floating on top.
>> Looking into the bottle there is a myriad of little things swimming, but
>> I consider them free protein.
>
> that's why I bought it. My theory ('theory") is that people get sick
> around other people unless it's some exotic animal-to-human disease).
> On my numerous trips to the wilderness, experiencing
> wind/snow/cold_wet_feet_24_hrs_a_day/sleepless_nights_because_its_too_cold
> I have never got sick. In the civilization, it takes an open window to
> knock me down. I bet your trick with the bottle wouldn't work in Japan
> where they use human feces as fertilizes (unverified information, but I
> am too sick to google it).
>
I wouldn't take you up on it in China or Japan, or even Mexico, for all
that matter. I went to Mexico for the weekend way back in about 1971 and
ate some of their salads made with local vegetables, obviously not FDA
certified. When I got back to my mother's house (I was visiting) I got a
bad case of Montezuma's revenge. It turns out that the Mexican field
workers in Mexico don't have porta potties like they do up here in the
states so they just piss on the veggies. As for Japan using human waste
as fertilizer that is probably a correct assumption, and probably holds
true for China and many other countries in that area. I keep my immune
system on alert, but not to that extent. Yuck.
Bill Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:29:04
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

while eating junk food.
> I used to eat a power bar, grab my bike, and disappear at lunch time, so
> nobody could ambush me with working through lunch.

i don't eat lunch 50% of time, and I will have fruits for lunch the
other 50%. I am pretty cautious about what I put inside myself.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:10:04
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> while eating junk food.
>> I used to eat a power bar, grab my bike, and disappear at lunch time, so
>> nobody could ambush me with working through lunch.
>
>
> i don't eat lunch 50% of time, and I will have fruits for lunch the
> other 50%. I am pretty cautious about what I put inside myself.
>
No bike at work? I worked at a place that was bike friendly and even had
a bike rack inside. The only problem I had was with the pissy Brits who
didn't want my mountain bike to even touch their fancy overpriced road
bikes. Two of them got a flat "F**k off", but the other was one notch
above me in the ranks. Three Brits, three snobbish asses.
One of them even had a title of "Sir", and man, was he a snob.
I have always had trouble with Brits thinking they are so superior.
Bill Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 20:16:45
From:
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

>One thing about me that may help keep my immune
> system on alert is that I will fill up my water bottles out of creeks
> and sometimes even canals that drain farm fields.

If you've done it only 2-3 times in your life, or happen to live high
in the mountains, I believe it.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 04:16:58
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>> One thing about me that may help keep my immune
>> system on alert is that I will fill up my water bottles out of creeks
>> and sometimes even canals that drain farm fields.
>
> If you've done it only 2-3 times in your life, or happen to live high
> in the mountains, I believe it.
>
I do it routinely on hot days when I go up into the mountains. On some
occasions I have had to dip the bottle below the stuff floating on top.
Looking into the bottle there is a myriad of little things swimming, but
I consider them free protein. There is no Mercury or Lead in the water
that I know of and the streams do come down from the mountains. Maybe I
am just one really lucky S.O.B.?? I may pick up enough bacteria that my
immune system is always on high alert, hence the 30 years of not sick
except for the 3 times with food poisoning. 2 of those times were from
eating off the food wagons so common in Silicon Valley or Santa Clara as
most people would know it. The first time I got it I found out that a
large percentage of people die from it due to dehydration. I spent the
night, ummm, passing water by the gallons and drinking gallons. Next day
I was fine, wasted, but fine.
Sorry to be even that graphic, but a little knowledge can save your life.
Bill Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 19:40:15
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

> Do you work a job?

Actually, yes. Sounds silly, but It happens to be a
high-risk-project-high-competition-deadlines-to-meet-work-on-weekends
kind of job. The bike riding is what kept me sane so far.

Date: 09 Sep 2006 22:58:51
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
::: Do you work a job?
::
:: Actually, yes. Sounds silly, but It happens to be a
:: high-risk-project-high-competition-deadlines-to-meet-work-on-weekends
:: kind of job. The bike riding is what kept me sane so far.

Real (ie, not weekend warriors) athletes generally don't. So, don't be so
hard on yourself. You're doing fine. Perhaps over time you'll be better
able to keep/meet your pace.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 04:19:36
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Roger Zoul wrote:
> runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> ::: Do you work a job?
> ::
> :: Actually, yes. Sounds silly, but It happens to be a
> :: high-risk-project-high-competition-deadlines-to-meet-work-on-weekends
> :: kind of job. The bike riding is what kept me sane so far.
>
> Real (ie, not weekend warriors) athletes generally don't. So, don't be so
> hard on yourself. You're doing fine. Perhaps over time you'll be better
> able to keep/meet your pace.
>
>
Can you get away to ride at lunch? Not a high pace ride, but to avoid
having lunch 'with the guys' and talking shop while eating junk food.
I used to eat a power bar, grab my bike, and disappear at lunch time, so
nobody could ambush me with working through lunch.
Bill Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:55:26
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

>Your training load is too weekend-loaded, and it's sheer insanity to
> do all your training "just below LT", which you couldn't be doing anyway, or
> else you'd have broken down a lot faster.

my understanding is that LT is defined as the effort in a race that
lasts for 1 hour. So I just kept the effort below it to be able to last
for 2 or 3 or 5 . It certainly felt good mentally. And yes, it did help
to unwind from the stress at work. Passing everyone on the road also
feels good, and I can't deal well with being passed.

OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down... as
soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there are
people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do it.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 11:34:01
From: Raptor
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down... as
> soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there are
> people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do it.

They build their base with time in the saddle. If you do some of your
hours at a lower level of intensity, it should pay off in the form of a
stronger base with higher sustainable speed.

--
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I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the
trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view,
the most insidious of traitors."
George H.W. Bush, April 16, 1999,

Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:40:45
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

:: They build their base with time in the saddle. If you do some of your
:: hours at a lower level of intensity, it should pay off in the form
:: of a stronger base with higher sustainable speed.

Hmm....I always have trouble with this statement. I don't think riding slow
and long will help him ride with higher sustainsable speed (the statement is
written to imply that). If he wants to go faster, then he needs to ride
faster. It's just that he'll burn out if he only rides fast and hard all
the time. So the lower intensity riding will allow him to avoid that. In
the process, he build up time in the saddle helping to adapt the body for
riding. Combined with frequent enough (but not too frequent, at first) hard
& fast riding, he should improve.

Of course, the OP sounds like a "type A personality" rider, so they may not
be possible. :)

Date: 12 Sep 2006 02:21:59
From: Chris BeHanna
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 08:40:45 -0400, Roger Zoul wrote:

>
> :: They build their base with time in the saddle. If you do some of your
> :: hours at a lower level of intensity, it should pay off in the form
> :: of a stronger base with higher sustainable speed.
>
> Hmm....I always have trouble with this statement. I don't think riding slow
> and long will help him ride with higher sustainsable speed (the statement is
> written to imply that). If he wants to go faster, then he needs to ride
> faster. It's just that he'll burn out if he only rides fast and hard all
> the time. So the lower intensity riding will allow him to avoid that. In
> the process, he build up time in the saddle helping to adapt the body for
> riding. Combined with frequent enough (but not too frequent, at first) hard
> & fast riding, he should improve.

The notion is that a big block of long, low-intensity rides early in the
year provides a big aerobic base that allows for faster recovery from hard
efforts, both within a workout and between workouts. This lets your hard
workouts be higher-quality, and lets you have better recovery from them.

Even during the meat of the season, the easy days really do need to be
easy if they are to be used for active recovery.

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Date: 11 Sep 2006 22:16:55
From: Raptor
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Roger Zoul wrote:
> :: They build their base with time in the saddle. If you do some of your
> :: hours at a lower level of intensity, it should pay off in the form
> :: of a stronger base with higher sustainable speed.
>
> Hmm....I always have trouble with this statement. I don't think riding slow
> and long will help him ride with higher sustainsable speed (the statement is
> written to imply that). If he wants to go faster, then he needs to ride
> faster. It's just that he'll burn out if he only rides fast and hard all
> the time. So the lower intensity riding will allow him to avoid that. In
> the process, he build up time in the saddle helping to adapt the body for
> riding. Combined with frequent enough (but not too frequent, at first) hard
> & fast riding, he should improve.

That's exactly what I said, if you squint hard enough. :)

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Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:31:16
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

In article
<1157849726.318575.263260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"runcyclexcski@yahoo.com" <runcyclexcski@yahoo.com >
wrote:

> >Your training load is too weekend-loaded, and it's sheer insanity to
> > do all your training "just below LT", which you couldn't be doing anyway, or
> > else you'd have broken down a lot faster.
>
> my understanding is that LT is defined as the effort in a race that
> lasts for 1 hour. So I just kept the effort below it to be able to last
> for 2 or 3 or 5 . It certainly felt good mentally. And yes, it did help
> to unwind from the stress at work. Passing everyone on the road also
> feels good, and I can't deal well with being passed.
>
> OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down... as
> soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there are
> people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do it.

Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).

--
Michael Press

Date: 10 Sep 2006 05:41:26
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <1157849726.318575.263260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "runcyclexcski@yahoo.com" <runcyclexcski@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Your training load is too weekend-loaded, and it's sheer insanity to
>>> do all your training "just below LT", which you couldn't be doing anyway, or
>>> else you'd have broken down a lot faster.
>> my understanding is that LT is defined as the effort in a race that
>> lasts for 1 hour. So I just kept the effort below it to be able to last
>> for 2 or 3 or 5 . It certainly felt good mentally. And yes, it did help
>> to unwind from the stress at work. Passing everyone on the road also
>> feels good, and I can't deal well with being passed.
>>
>> OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down... as
>> soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there are
>> people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do it.
>
> Perhaps they do not mind being passed (except on race day).
>
Let some pass and only chase the easy ones. If I get passed by a guy who
is only riding because he lost his driver's license it is a moral
imperative to me to pass him and leave him in the dust. If I get passed
by a guy on an expensive road bike and I am on my mountain bike I let it go.
Choose your battles.
Bill Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 23:03:16
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
::: Your training load is too weekend-loaded, and it's sheer insanity to
::: do all your training "just below LT", which you couldn't be doing
::: anyway, or else you'd have broken down a lot faster.
::
:: my understanding is that LT is defined as the effort in a race that
:: lasts for 1 hour. So I just kept the effort below it to be able to
:: last for 2 or 3 or 5 . It certainly felt good mentally. And yes, it
:: did help to unwind from the stress at work. Passing everyone on the
:: road also feels good, and I can't deal well with being passed.
::
:: OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down...
:: as soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there
:: are people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do
:: it.

More details. What your age, weight, general fitness level? Diet? Vitamins?

Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:39:56
From: Chris BeHanna
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 18:55:26 -0700, runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:

>>Your training load is too weekend-loaded, and it's sheer insanity to
>> do all your training "just below LT", which you couldn't be doing anyway, or
>> else you'd have broken down a lot faster.
>
> my understanding is that LT is defined as the effort in a race that
> lasts for 1 hour. So I just kept the effort below it to be able to last
> for 2 or 3 or 5 . It certainly felt good mentally. And yes, it did help
> to unwind from the stress at work. Passing everyone on the road also
> feels good, and I can't deal well with being passed.
>
> OK, If I am convinced I am overdoing it, I am ready to slow down... as
> soon as the current 2 week long cold is over. But I am sure there are
> people who can handle more, so I am wondeirng how they can do it.

They work up to it.

One thing's sure, if you're running yourself down and getting sick,
and then not backing off once you're sick, you're going to be sick for a
lot longer than you would be if you just took it easy and got better.

Symptoms in the head, OK to ride (gently).

Symptoms below the neck, no riding. Just rest.

I'm sure that will frustrate the hell out of you, but you have to step
off the merry-go-round at some point.

--
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Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:50:50
From: greggery peccary
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

<runcyclexcski@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157844195.054010.129540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?
>

are you training indoors with a bunch of other people around? that's a sure
fire way to catch something. as soon as i stopped going to the gym, my virus
rate went way down! also-consult your physician.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 11:38:04
From: Raptor
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

greggery peccary wrote:
> <runcyclexcski@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157844195.054010.129540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
>> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
>> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
>> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
>> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
>> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?
>>
>
> are you training indoors with a bunch of other people around? that's a sure
> fire way to catch something. as soon as i stopped going to the gym, my virus
> rate went way down! also-consult your physician.

Germophobia is pretty effective in this case. Wipe down your equipment
with disinfecting wipes before using it and keep your hands clean and
away from the slimy/wet parts of your body.

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Date: 10 Sep 2006 16:20:22
From: greggery peccary
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

"Raptor" <lawall@xmission.com > wrote in message
news:ee1ii9$s20$2@news.xmission.com...
> greggery peccary wrote:
> > <runcyclexcski@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1157844195.054010.129540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >> Since I've been having training religiously (2 years) I started having
> >> these colds that take forever to resolve. By "religiously" I just mean
> >> riding hard 200 miles a week, which is not a big deal after all, pros
> >> ride much more than that. When I am not sick I feel greatand not
> >> overtrained, but I get infections from every sneeze around me. What
> >> supplements should I take to stop this? Any comments?
> >>
> >
> > are you training indoors with a bunch of other people around? that's a
sure
> > fire way to catch something. as soon as i stopped going to the gym, my
virus
> > rate went way down! also-consult your physician.
>
> Germophobia is pretty effective in this case. Wipe down your equipment
> with disinfecting wipes before using it and keep your hands clean and
> away from the slimy/wet parts of your body.
>

i get sick on planes too!

Date: 09 Sep 2006 17:22:08
From: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

> I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day -- sure
> way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.

actually, it's been like this:

2 hrs/30 miles Tue
2 hrs/30 miles Th
3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
especially on the short rides.

Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like to
exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and there, but I
would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race. And I certainly did
not expect the above regiment to be "beyond" that line.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 02:44:44
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day -- sure
>> way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
>
> actually, it's been like this:
>
> 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
> 2 hrs/30 miles Th
> 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
> 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
> I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
> especially on the short rides.
>
> Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like to
> exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and there, but I
> would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race. And I certainly did
> not expect the above regiment to be "beyond" that line.
>
Don't believe that your riding is making you sick. I try to ride a
minimum of 20 miles a day when it isn't hot enough to broil my brains in
the sun and I have not been sick once in 30 years. Some days I don't
ride at all and just slack off at the computer, but I think the riding
would actually help your immune system. Get checked out to see if you
don't have something else wrong with you, like anemia or some other
oddball condition. One thing about me that may help keep my immune
system on alert is that I will fill up my water bottles out of creeks
and sometimes even canals that drain farm fields. Who knows what bear
did what up stream? It hasn't killed me so it must be making me stronger.
Bottom line is go see a doctor.
We are all different, but I don't think you are over training unless you
are doing this at 70 years old. In that case I would say you are doing
great.
Bill Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 23:00:10
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Bill Baka wrote:
:: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
:::: I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day --
:::: sure way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
:::
::: actually, it's been like this:
:::
::: 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
::: 2 hrs/30 miles Th
::: 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
::: 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
::: I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
::: especially on the short rides.
:::
::: Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like to
::: exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and there,
::: but I would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race. And I
::: certainly did not expect the above regiment to be "beyond" that
::: line.
:::
:: Don't believe that your riding is making you sick. I try to ride a
:: minimum of 20 miles a day when it isn't hot enough to broil my
:: brains in the sun and I have not been sick once in 30 years. Some
:: days I don't ride at all and just slack off at the computer, but I
:: think the riding would actually help your immune system. Get checked
:: out to see if you don't have something else wrong with you, like
:: anemia or some other oddball condition. One thing about me that may
:: help keep my immune system on alert is that I will fill up my water
:: bottles out of creeks and sometimes even canals that drain farm
:: fields. Who knows what bear did what up stream? It hasn't killed me
:: so it must be making me stronger. Bottom line is go see a doctor.
:: We are all different, but I don't think you are over training unless
:: you are doing this at 70 years old. In that case I would say you are
:: doing great.

Overtraining would depend on who you are. What may be overtraining for me
might be a piece of cake for you. Everyone has to adapt to a training
schedule.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 04:06:53
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

Roger Zoul wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
> :: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
> :::: I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day --
> :::: sure way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
> :::
> ::: actually, it's been like this:
> :::
> ::: 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
> ::: 2 hrs/30 miles Th
> ::: 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
> ::: 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
> ::: I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
> ::: especially on the short rides.
> :::
> ::: Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like to
> ::: exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and there,
> ::: but I would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race. And I
> ::: certainly did not expect the above regiment to be "beyond" that
> ::: line.
> :::
> :: Don't believe that your riding is making you sick. I try to ride a
> :: minimum of 20 miles a day when it isn't hot enough to broil my
> :: brains in the sun and I have not been sick once in 30 years. Some
> :: days I don't ride at all and just slack off at the computer, but I
> :: think the riding would actually help your immune system. Get checked
> :: out to see if you don't have something else wrong with you, like
> :: anemia or some other oddball condition. One thing about me that may
> :: help keep my immune system on alert is that I will fill up my water
> :: bottles out of creeks and sometimes even canals that drain farm
> :: fields. Who knows what bear did what up stream? It hasn't killed me
> :: so it must be making me stronger. Bottom line is go see a doctor.
> :: We are all different, but I don't think you are over training unless
> :: you are doing this at 70 years old. In that case I would say you are
> :: doing great.
>
> Overtraining would depend on who you are. What may be overtraining for me
> might be a piece of cake for you. Everyone has to adapt to a training
> schedule.
>
>
Who I am, as most people know is a soon to be 58 cubicle burnout. I
think the job with the high stress and weekends is the problem. Salaried
jobs sound good at first until that near 6 figure income starts
requiring 10 hour days, overnighters (been there, done that, new job
time), and weekends, all with no overtime pay. Some times your health
and sanity outweigh the money.
Bill (cubicle free) Baka

Date: 09 Sep 2006 21:33:09
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
::: I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day --
::: sure way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
::
:: actually, it's been like this:
::
:: 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
:: 2 hrs/30 miles Th
:: 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
:: 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
:: I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
:: especially on the short rides.
::
:: Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like to
:: exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and there, but
:: I would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race. And I
:: certainly did not expect the above regiment to be "beyond" that line.

Due....don't comparison yourself to a real athlete! Do you work a job?
Also, you're not elite.

You're probably overtraining if you're getting sick a lot.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 06:50:48
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:33:09 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
<rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote:

>runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
>::: I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day --
>::: sure way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
>::
>:: actually, it's been like this:
>::
>:: 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
>:: 2 hrs/30 miles Th
>:: 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
>:: 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
>:: I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
>:: especially on the short rides.
>::
>:: Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like to
>:: exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and there, but
>:: I would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race. And I
>:: certainly did not expect the above regiment to be "beyond" that line.
>
>Due....don't comparison yourself to a real athlete! Do you work a job?
>Also, you're not elite.

I happen to know this guy is borderline elite in another sport -- like
a very good cat 2 in bike racing. About as good as can be without
super-freaky genetics and with a real job.

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Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:42:05
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
:: On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:33:09 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote:
::
::: runcyclexcski@yahoo.com wrote:
:::::: I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day --
:::::: sure way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
:::::
::::: actually, it's been like this:
:::::
::::: 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
::::: 2 hrs/30 miles Th
::::: 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
::::: 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
::::: I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
::::: especially on the short rides.
:::::
::::: Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like
::::: to exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and
::::: there, but I would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race.
::::: And I certainly did not expect the above regiment to be "beyond"
::::: that line.
:::
::: Due....don't comparison yourself to a real athlete! Do you work a
::: job? Also, you're not elite.
::
:: I happen to know this guy is borderline elite in another sport --
:: like a very good cat 2 in bike racing. About as good as can be
:: without super-freaky genetics and with a real job.

Ah....the plot thickens!

Date: 10 Sep 2006 00:42:33
From: Tony S.
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training

<runcyclexcski@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157847728.570446.323100@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > I would guess you are training pretty much the same every day -- sure
> > way to chronic fatigue and impaired immune system.
>
> actually, it's been like this:
>
> 2 hrs/30 miles Tue
> 2 hrs/30 miles Th
> 3 hrs/50 miles Sat (or equivalent crosstraining)
> 5 hrs/80 miles Sun (or equivalent crosstraining)
> I do ride fast (just below the LT and above it on most climes),
> especially on the short rides.
>
> Is that proven that athletes have weakened immune systems? I like to
> exercise to stay healthy, and to place in a race here and there, but I
> would not want to "use" my health to exercise/race. And I certainly did
> not expect the above regiment to be "beyond" that line.

A weakened immune system can come from too much work, stress from work /
riage / lack of quality sleep -- in addition to whatever training you're
doing. Your training load is too weekend-loaded, and it's sheer insanity to
do all your training "just below LT", which you couldn't be doing anyway, or
else you'd have broken down a lot faster. Chances are your training is
largely in the junk zone -- fast enough to produce cumulative muscle damage,
but not fast enough to effectively train LT. At the very least, limit your
effort days to 2/week and no more than x% of training volume (20% sounds
reasonable in this case). Slow down the 80 miler to <70% effort; in other
words make it very easy, that's how you build endurance, not by burning out
your legs trying to ride everything hard.

-Tony

Date: 09 Sep 2006 16:57:34
From: billb
Subject: Re: getting sick all the time and training