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Date: 28 Mar 2007 22:25:30
From: Tom Keats
Subject: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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I've never particularly cared for the stuff,
but I'm willing to give it another chance.
I may even dare to see what it does to my
homemade coleslaw.
I don't usually indulge in dairy products other
than hard cheese (I absolutely detest straight-up
milk,) and I also occasionally suffer leg (calf)
cramps. There's been a number of times I've had
to pull over, sit down, stretch my leg out, maybe
kick a shoe off, and let my calf muscle first
punish me with excruciating pain, and then
gradually, begrudgingly allow my toes to all
point in the right direction (forward.)
So, I'm going to see if including cottage cheese
in my diet might enhance my cycling experience.
If I put it in my coleslaw, I figure the usual
big splash of dill pickle juice I put in there,
plus maybe a drizzle of orange juice, might kill
any horribly insipid cottage cheese flavour.
I might even top my potato pancakes with it,
instead of sour cream. But I admit I'll have
to force myself to do so.
And I ain't letting the stuff anywhere near my aspics.
cheers, & I'm not very fond of bananas either,
Tom
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 23:07:26
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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In article <pan.2007.04.02.19.57.38.651351@letterboxes.org >,
Matt O'Toole <mattotoole@letterboxes.org > writes:
>
> New potatoes with a little salt are an especially good energy food for
> cyclists. One of our bike club members is a PhD nutritionist and athlete,
> and in researching the perfect on-road cycling food, this is what she
> came up with.
I recently found a nearby green-grocer source of new potatoes --
10 lbs for a buck. They're good, they're just too big for
ket presentation.
A Fijian fellow once suggested taro root to me, noting that's
how the Samoan and other Oceanian/Australasian rugby players
get so big. That was enough to scare me off. If I could
just concentrate the bodybuilding aspect into my quads, that
might be fine.
> She also found that chocolate milk is a good recovery food.
Anything with chocolate on/in it is good :-)
> I drink a lot of V8 juice, which has plenty of cramp-preventing
> nutrients, and is about the only beverage available in a convenience store
> that I find palatable.
I keep forgetting that stuff exists. Maybe it's a mental block,
or maybe I get distracted by the presence of other, more tempting
convenience store fare. I'll have to write a crib note about it
on the palm of my hand or glove. Actually, I like to make virgin
ys (aka Bloody Shames -- bloody ys without the vodka) out of V8.
It seems to me incomplete without the celery salt, Worcestershire,
Tabasco, fresh-ground black pepper, the tiniest aromatic hint of
dill, etc.
> Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients, protein,
> fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not the best kind for
> your overall health.
I've found the flavour of cottage cheese can be improved when
stepped-on with a big whack of Miracle Whip. I've also learned
to like it stirred into baked beans (without the Miracle Whip.)
Much thanks to all for your suggestions and input.
Over the years I've sorta become reconciled to the fact that
sometimes I'll get those calf cramps. Y'know what really helps?
A good, long night of deep, super-relaxing sleep. Also helps with
those spasms I get at this time of year, in the back of my neck &
down my left arm.
cheers,
Tom
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 14:10:47
From: Terry Morse
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> Y'know what really helps?
> A good, long night of deep, super-relaxing sleep. Also helps with
> those spasms I get at this time of year, in the back of my neck &
> down my left arm.
I get those triceps spasms, too, and lately my left hand is going
numb. My chriropractor friend says it comes from the neck.
Stretching and strenghtening exercises help.
--
terry morse - Undiscovered Country Tours - http://www.udctours.com
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 12:45:30
From: Matt O'Toole
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:07:26 -0700, Tom Keats wrote:
> Over the years I've sorta become reconciled to the fact that sometimes
> I'll get those calf cramps. Y'know what really helps? A good, long
> night of deep, super-relaxing sleep. Also helps with those spasms I get
> at this time of year, in the back of my neck & down my left arm.
I've found this too. Sleep is the miracle cure. Unfortunately some of us
never learn what it's like to be well-rested. I figured it out just
a few years ago.
Actually I rarely get cramps no matter what I eat, how much sleep I've
had, or how hard I'm riding, but sleep sure helps cure soreness.
My biggest obstacle to long fast rides is being comfortable on the bike
long enough. I often do long rides without having slept much. While I
can keep pedaling just fine, I get very uncomfortable -- my neck gets
sore, my arms and shoulders go dead, my lower back gets tired, etc.
Being well-rested prevents these problems, or keeps them at bay a lot
longer.
Matt O.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 14:36:36
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:uuqsue.ht3.ln@bud.garden.local...
> In article <pan.2007.04.02.19.57.38.651351@letterboxes.org>,
> Matt O'Toole <mattotoole@letterboxes.org> writes:
>> She also found that chocolate milk is a good recovery food.
>
> Anything with chocolate on/in it is good :-)
The STP route, I think about mile 75 or 80, goes past a Wilcox dairy, and
the company hands out chocolate milk
(http://www.wilcoxfarms.com/chmilk.html) as a promo, to the riders.
--
Warm Regards,
Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 19:56:41
From: Mike A Schwab
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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I have not found Gatorade to help much.
I have had 3 ocurence of calf cramping solved with pickles and pickle
juice.
On 29, 1:25 am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
<deleted >
> There's been a number of times I've had
> to pull over, sit down, stretch my leg out, maybe
> kick a shoe off, and let my calf muscle first
> punish me with excruciating pain, and then
> gradually, begrudgingly allow my toes to all
> point in the right direction (forward.)
<deleted >
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 19:17:27
From: Bill Marsh
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Tom I get calf cramps also, and have found that 4-5 Tums helps. When I get
that tingle and know they are coming on I down 4-5 and it helps, I guess I
sweat a lot of calcium. Bill
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:q4mfue.4561.ln@bud.garden.local...
> I've never particularly cared for the stuff,
> but I'm willing to give it another chance.
> I may even dare to see what it does to my
> homemade coleslaw.
>
> I don't usually indulge in dairy products other
> than hard cheese (I absolutely detest straight-up
> milk,) and I also occasionally suffer leg (calf)
> cramps. There's been a number of times I've had
> to pull over, sit down, stretch my leg out, maybe
> kick a shoe off, and let my calf muscle first
> punish me with excruciating pain, and then
> gradually, begrudgingly allow my toes to all
> point in the right direction (forward.)
>
> So, I'm going to see if including cottage cheese
> in my diet might enhance my cycling experience.
>
> If I put it in my coleslaw, I figure the usual
> big splash of dill pickle juice I put in there,
> plus maybe a drizzle of orange juice, might kill
> any horribly insipid cottage cheese flavour.
>
> I might even top my potato pancakes with it,
> instead of sour cream. But I admit I'll have
> to force myself to do so.
>
> And I ain't letting the stuff anywhere near my aspics.
>
>
> cheers, & I'm not very fond of bananas either,
> Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> Above address is just a spam midden.
> I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 15:38:52
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Tom Keats wrote:
> I've never particularly cared for the stuff,
> but I'm willing to give it another chance.
I can't imagine a less appetizing cycling food.
> milk,) and I also occasionally suffer leg (calf)
> cramps.
Potassium helps, as does calcium. Try eating bananas, or taking a
supplement. Tums is a good thing to have for immediate relief.
--
David L. Johnson
Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig...
You soon find out the pig likes it!
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:46:38
From: gds
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On 29, 11:36 am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> In article <130nlva1odq6...@news.supernews.com>,
> "Roger Zoul" <rogerzo...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tom Keats wrote:
> >:: I've never particularly cared for the stuff,
> >:: but I'm willing to give it another chance.
> >:: I may even dare to see what it does to my
> >:: homemade coleslaw.
> >::
> >:: I don't usually indulge in dairy products other
> >:: than hard cheese (I absolutely detest straight-up
> >:: milk,) and I also occasionally suffer leg (calf)
> >:: cramps. There's been a number of times I've had
> >:: to pull over, sit down, stretch my leg out, maybe
> >:: kick a shoe off, and let my calf muscle first
> >:: punish me with excruciating pain, and then
> >:: gradually, begrudgingly allow my toes to all
> >:: point in the right direction (forward.)
> >::
> >:: So, I'm going to see if including cottage cheese
> >:: in my diet might enhance my cycling experience.
> >::
>
> > Why would you expect CC to make a difference one way or another? CC is a
>
> Just looking for a reasonably palatable way to include
> more dairy in my diet, with hopes it might alleviate
> the leg cramps thing. I generally don't indulge in
> much dairy products, especially during the warmer
> seasons. People ask what to do about leg cramps, and
> the usual responses is: milk, and bananas. To which
> I say: blecch.
>
> Oh well. There's always yogurt to tinker with, too.
> My dad used to make yogurt. After homemade yogurt,
> the store-bought stuff seems so artificial.
>
> cheers,
> Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> Above address is just a spam midden.
> I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
In my experience cramping is often associated with potassium
deficiency. Bananas, tomatos and a whole host of other foods are good
sources of potassium. If you don't like the foods you can always take
potassium in tablet form. It is also part of the formula for most
sports drinks- for precisly the reason that it works.
As to your not eating much of dairy. I happen to like certain cheeses
but the reality is that as most of us age we become more and more
lactose intolerant. This suggests to me (despite dairy industry
studies to the contrary) that for most of us dairy need not be an
important component of adult diets.
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Date: 30 Mar 2007 03:05:51
From: Bill
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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gds wrote:
>
> In my experience cramping is often associated with potassium
> deficiency. Bananas, tomatos and a whole host of other foods are good
> sources of potassium. If you don't like the foods you can always take
> potassium in tablet form. It is also part of the formula for most
> sports drinks- for precisly the reason that it works.
> As to your not eating much of dairy. I happen to like certain cheeses
> but the reality is that as most of us age we become more and more
> lactose intolerant. This suggests to me (despite dairy industry
> studies to the contrary) that for most of us dairy need not be an
> important component of adult diets.
>
I found out that the humble potato (with the skin) is a good source of
Potassium There should be a breakdown on the FDA.GOV website.
If you can find the link they have a 'spreadsheet able' set of tables of
about 5 or even 10 thousand different food.
You can overdose on Potassium (and die) just as well as you can with not
enough Potassium. Milk is really intended by nature ***ONLY*** for
babies. Adults are supposed to eat real food, whatever that is.
How about this trick...? Make some baked Potatoes by nuking them in the
microwave. Take them with you and you can sprinkle in some cottage cheese.
The big deal about diary is 1. Calcium. Canned Sardines are good for
this as is canned Salmon with the bones.
I love milk too but like so many I am lactose intolerant. Gas plus.
Bill Baka
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 10:36:01
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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In article <130nlva1odq6891@news.supernews.com >,
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > writes:
> Tom Keats wrote:
>:: I've never particularly cared for the stuff,
>:: but I'm willing to give it another chance.
>:: I may even dare to see what it does to my
>:: homemade coleslaw.
>::
>:: I don't usually indulge in dairy products other
>:: than hard cheese (I absolutely detest straight-up
>:: milk,) and I also occasionally suffer leg (calf)
>:: cramps. There's been a number of times I've had
>:: to pull over, sit down, stretch my leg out, maybe
>:: kick a shoe off, and let my calf muscle first
>:: punish me with excruciating pain, and then
>:: gradually, begrudgingly allow my toes to all
>:: point in the right direction (forward.)
>::
>:: So, I'm going to see if including cottage cheese
>:: in my diet might enhance my cycling experience.
>::
>
> Why would you expect CC to make a difference one way or another? CC is a
Just looking for a reasonably palatable way to include
more dairy in my diet, with hopes it might alleviate
the leg cramps thing. I generally don't indulge in
much dairy products, especially during the warmer
seasons. People ask what to do about leg cramps, and
the usual responses is: milk, and bananas. To which
I say: blecch.
Oh well. There's always yogurt to tinker with, too.
My dad used to make yogurt. After homemade yogurt,
the store-bought stuff seems so artificial.
cheers,
Tom
--
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Above address is just a spam midden.
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 17:19:24
From: Pat
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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take potassium and magnesium for the cramps. not dairy. Personally, the only
milk I drink is soy milk. Maybe I shouldn't say "drink" because I put it on
cereal.
Pat in TX
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 17:54:39
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On 2007-03-29, Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> Just looking for a reasonably palatable way to include
> more dairy in my diet, with hopes it might alleviate
> the leg cramps thing. I generally don't indulge in
> much dairy products, especially during the warmer
> seasons. People ask what to do about leg cramps, and
> the usual responses is: milk, and bananas. To which
> I say: blecch.
I don't believe dairy will help with cramps near as much as
potassium will. Since bananas won't do, how about something
from the table located at
<http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/potassium/ >
Baked potatoes, orange juice, raisins, acorn squash, almonds --
there has to be /something/ you like there.
--
__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 15:57:46
From: Matt O'Toole
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On Thu, 29 2007 17:54:39 +0000, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> On 2007-03-29, Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just looking for a reasonably palatable way to include more dairy in my
>> diet, with hopes it might alleviate the leg cramps thing. I generally
>> don't indulge in much dairy products, especially during the warmer
>> seasons. People ask what to do about leg cramps, and the usual
>> responses is: milk, and bananas. To which I say: blecch.
>
> I don't believe dairy will help with cramps near as much as potassium
> will. Since bananas won't do, how about something from the table located
> at
>
> <http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/potassium/>
>
> Baked potatoes, orange juice, raisins, acorn squash, almonds -- there
> has to be /something/ you like there.
New potatoes with a little salt are an especially good energy food for
cyclists. One of our bike club members is a PhD nutritionist and athlete,
and in researching the perfect on-road cycling food, this is what she
came up with. She also found that chocolate milk is a good recovery food.
I drink a lot of V8 juice, which has plenty of cramp-preventing
nutrients, and is about the only beverage available in a convenience store
that I find palatable.
Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients, protein,
fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not the best kind for
your overall health.
Matt O.
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Matt O'Toole wrote:
:: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
:: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not the
:: best kind for your overall health.
Nonsense (the last part).
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 16:38:29
From: Bob in CT
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> Matt O'Toole wrote:
> :: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
> :: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not the
> :: best kind for your overall health.
>
> Nonsense (the last part).
>
>
Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the relationship
between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely four found a
statistically significant relationship. The massive nurse's study just
showed that lowering overall fat content does nothing for heart disease.
There are many studies indicating no relationship between saturated fat
and any of a number of things, including heart disease, cancer, etc.
--
Bob in CT
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 22:56:03
From: nash
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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"Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:op.tp76afb53plkkk@esq03.mfh.com...
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Matt O'Toole wrote:
>> :: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
>> :: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not the
>> :: best kind for your overall health.
>>
>> Nonsense (the last part).
>>
>>
>
> Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the relationship
> between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely four found a
> statistically significant relationship. The massive nurse's study just
> showed that lowering overall fat content does nothing for heart disease.
> There are many studies indicating no relationship between saturated fat
> and any of a number of things, including heart disease, cancer, etc.
>
> --
> Bob in CT
that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without exercise.
Does not matter how much money you spend researching genetic proof of a fat
gene. What a bowl of fish piss.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 12:01:31
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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nash wrote:
:: "Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@comcast.net > wrote in message
:: news:op.tp76afb53plkkk@esq03.mfh.com...
::: On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul
::: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote:
:::
:::: Matt O'Toole wrote:
:::::: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
:::::: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not
:::::: the best kind for your overall health.
::::
:::: Nonsense (the last part).
::::
::::
:::
::: Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the
::: relationship between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely
::: four found a statistically significant relationship. The massive
::: nurse's study just showed that lowering overall fat content does
::: nothing for heart disease. There are many studies indicating no
::: relationship between saturated fat and any of a number of things,
::: including heart disease, cancer, etc.
:::
::: --
::: Bob in CT
::
:: that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without
:: exercise. Does not matter how much money you spend researching
:: genetic proof of a fat gene. What a bowl of fish piss.
Diet indeed can work without exercise.
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 16:14:32
From: nash
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1317iu0883mbr30@news.supernews.com...
> nash wrote:
> :: "Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@comcast.net> wrote in message
> :: news:op.tp76afb53plkkk@esq03.mfh.com...
> ::: On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul
> ::: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> :::
> :::: Matt O'Toole wrote:
> :::::: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
> :::::: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not
> :::::: the best kind for your overall health.
> ::::
> :::: Nonsense (the last part).
> ::::
> ::::
> :::
> ::: Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the
> ::: relationship between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely
> ::: four found a statistically significant relationship. The massive
> ::: nurse's study just showed that lowering overall fat content does
> ::: nothing for heart disease. There are many studies indicating no
> ::: relationship between saturated fat and any of a number of things,
> ::: including heart disease, cancer, etc.
> :::
> ::: --
> ::: Bob in CT
> ::
> :: that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without
> :: exercise. Does not matter how much money you spend researching
> :: genetic proof of a fat gene. What a bowl of fish piss.
>
> Diet indeed can work without exercise.
Does if the diet includes too much fat. haha
>
>
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Date: 04 Apr 2007 16:16:23
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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nash wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
:: news:1317iu0883mbr30@news.supernews.com...
::: nash wrote:
::::: "Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@comcast.net > wrote in message
::::: news:op.tp76afb53plkkk@esq03.mfh.com...
:::::: On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul
:::::: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote:
::::::
::::::: Matt O'Toole wrote:
::::::::: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of
::::::::: nutrients, protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the
::::::::: animal fat is not the best kind for your overall health.
:::::::
::::::: Nonsense (the last part).
:::::::
:::::::
::::::
:::::: Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the
:::::: relationship between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely
:::::: four found a statistically significant relationship. The massive
:::::: nurse's study just showed that lowering overall fat content does
:::::: nothing for heart disease. There are many studies indicating no
:::::: relationship between saturated fat and any of a number of things,
:::::: including heart disease, cancer, etc.
::::::
:::::: --
:::::: Bob in CT
:::::
::::: that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without
::::: exercise. Does not matter how much money you spend researching
::::: genetic proof of a fat gene. What a bowl of fish piss.
:::
::: Diet indeed can work without exercise.
:: Does if the diet includes too much fat. haha
Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 19:01:27
From: nash
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:13181su8ekgt1d1@news.supernews.com...
> nash wrote:
> :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> :: news:1317iu0883mbr30@news.supernews.com...
> ::: nash wrote:
> ::::: "Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@comcast.net> wrote in message
> ::::: news:op.tp76afb53plkkk@esq03.mfh.com...
> :::::: On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul
> :::::: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ::::::
> ::::::: Matt O'Toole wrote:
> ::::::::: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of
> ::::::::: nutrients, protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the
> ::::::::: animal fat is not the best kind for your overall health.
> :::::::
> ::::::: Nonsense (the last part).
> :::::::
> :::::::
> ::::::
> :::::: Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the
> :::::: relationship between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely
> :::::: four found a statistically significant relationship. The massive
> :::::: nurse's study just showed that lowering overall fat content does
> :::::: nothing for heart disease. There are many studies indicating no
> :::::: relationship between saturated fat and any of a number of things,
> :::::: including heart disease, cancer, etc.
> ::::::
> :::::: --
> :::::: Bob in CT
> :::::
> ::::: that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without
> ::::: exercise. Does not matter how much money you spend researching
> ::::: genetic proof of a fat gene. What a bowl of fish piss.
> :::
> ::: Diet indeed can work without exercise.
> :: Does if the diet includes too much fat. haha
>
> Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with exercise anyway
unless you eat your vegetables too.
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 21:03:18
From: Bill
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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nash wrote:
> "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
> Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with exercise anyway
> unless you eat your vegetables too.
>
>
2 cents worth coming.
Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes
from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you eat too many
calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
Bill Baka
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 17:57:11
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Bill wrote:
:: nash wrote:
::: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
:::: Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
::: Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with exercise
::: anyway unless you eat your vegetables too.
:::
:::
:: 2 cents worth coming.
:: Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it
:: comes from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you eat
:: too many calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
:: It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
:: Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
:: Bill Baka
A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body can use it for.
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Date: 05 Apr 2007 22:37:09
From: Bill
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Roger Zoul wrote:
> Bill wrote:
> :: nash wrote:
> ::: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> :::: Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
> ::: Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with exercise
> ::: anyway unless you eat your vegetables too.
> :::
> :::
> :: 2 cents worth coming.
> :: Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it
> :: comes from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you eat
> :: too many calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
> :: It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
> :: Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
> :: Bill Baka
>
> A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body can use it for.
>
>
Yes, and no. A calorie is how much energy food contains. Fat is higher
density so eating a plate full of McJunk is going to have ten times the
calories of a plate of salad. Either way, the excess gets turned into
fat. I'm thinking that a healthy rider could take as the only food
source, a bottle of vegetable oil and drink that for pure calories along
with water, or a sports drink, and never be worse off for doing it.
I think this subject will get a LOT more attention now that obesity in
children has made national news again. The statement that this
generation of kids might not outlive their parents is probably true.
Computers, video games, 500 channels of junk on TV, scooter boards with
motors, etc. High tech may mean we can make larger studies but looking
at the kids, there is way too much McDonalds going into their stomaches.
My stepdaughter is guilty of this in a big way, by being too lazy to
cook a good meal and giving the kids McDonalds, Taco Bell, pizza, Burger
King, or whatever, but never anything healthy. Food and computers may be
the plague that brings us down.
BTW, I like the extra water, non-fat cottage cheese. It tastes as good
as the 4% normal stuff.
Try to eat non-fat, non-junk food and if you do eat some junk ride 20
miles for each item as penance (reward?).
Bill Baka
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Date: 06 Apr 2007 07:37:35
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Bill wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Bill wrote:
::::: nash wrote:
:::::: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
::::::: Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
:::::: Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with
:::::: exercise anyway unless you eat your vegetables too.
::::::
::::::
::::: 2 cents worth coming.
::::: Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it
::::: comes from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you
::::: eat too many calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
::::: It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
::::: Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
::::: Bill Baka
:::
::: A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body can use
::: it for.
:::
:::
:: Yes, and no. A calorie is how much energy food contains.
Did you read what I wrote? A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what
the body can use it for.
1 calorie of carb,
1 calorie of protein,
1 calorie of fat,
while all contributing to total calories, and while all causing problems
when eaten in excess, still have different uses in the body.
Carbs provide quick fuel, and thus are helpful when you need to really push
hard. Of course, you can get nutrients from carbs if you pick them right.
Fat provides a longer term fuel, the kind of energy that will sustain long,
but easy activity. Again, you can get useful nutrients from fat foods (EFA)
if you pick them right. Protein provides the building blocks that help the
body rebuild itself and protein foods contain valuable nutrients too. So a
calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body will do with it.
The qualifer is there for a reason, Bill.
Fat is
:: higher density so eating a plate full of McJunk is going to have ten
:: times the calories of a plate of salad.
Higher density means it weighs more (same volume) which should mean you
don't need to eat as much to get sated. Thus, it should not matter whether
you eat a meal with a lot of fat or not as long as you don't overstuff your
piehole. Eating fat isn't the problem, eating too much is.
Either way, the excess gets
:: turned into fat. I'm thinking that a healthy rider could take as the
:: only food source, a bottle of vegetable oil and drink that for pure
:: calories along with water, or a sports drink, and never be worse off
:: for doing it.
I would never do that. Your body can only store about 2000 kcals of
glycogen (stored glucose) and vegetable oil won't replenish any of that
since it contains no carbs. hence, one the body's store of glycogen is
depleted, the rider bonks. This happens sooner the harder you ride. So, the
more hills you have, the faster you go up them, the more you deplete
glycogen. The soon you feel like shit and can't get home. Calories from
Veggie oil won't help much here.
:: I think this subject will get a LOT more attention now that obesity
:: in children has made national news again. The statement that this
:: generation of kids might not outlive their parents is probably true.
:: Computers, video games, 500 channels of junk on TV, scooter boards
:: with motors, etc. High tech may mean we can make larger studies but
:: looking at the kids, there is way too much McDonalds going into
:: their stomaches. My stepdaughter is guilty of this in a big way, by
:: being too lazy to cook a good meal and giving the kids McDonalds,
:: Taco Bell, pizza, Burger King, or whatever, but never anything
:: healthy. Food and computers may be the plague that brings us down.
Well, I wouldn't blame just the fast food joints. You can buy plenty of
junk food in the local superket. In fact, most of the stuff sold there
is crap. Parents are buying that too, so kids get junk at home as well.
:: BTW, I like the extra water, non-fat cottage cheese. It tastes as
:: good as the 4% normal stuff.
:: Try to eat non-fat, non-junk food and if you do eat some junk ride 20
:: miles for each item as penance (reward?).
Well, I think it's ridiculous to by food that has the fat removed. Such
nonsense. Useless processing. Food should be kept as natural as possible,
IMO. And yes, to a 20 mile ride is a good way to work off the junk food.
Or, a 20-mile is is a good way to earn the right ot eat a piece of chocolate
cake.
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Date: 06 Apr 2007 15:40:34
From: Bill
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Roger Zoul wrote:
> Bill wrote:
> :: Roger Zoul wrote:
> ::: Bill wrote:
> ::::: nash wrote:
> :::::: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> ::::::: Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
> :::::: Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with
> :::::: exercise anyway unless you eat your vegetables too.
> ::::::
> ::::::
> ::::: 2 cents worth coming.
> ::::: Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it
> ::::: comes from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you
> ::::: eat too many calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
> ::::: It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
> ::::: Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
> ::::: Bill Baka
> :::
> ::: A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body can use
> ::: it for.
> :::
> :::
> :: Yes, and no. A calorie is how much energy food contains.
>
> Did you read what I wrote? A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what
> the body can use it for.
>
> 1 calorie of carb,
> 1 calorie of protein,
> 1 calorie of fat,
> while all contributing to total calories, and while all causing problems
> when eaten in excess, still have different uses in the body.
I got diverted with the energy density thing and not the quick absorb carbs.
>
> Carbs provide quick fuel, and thus are helpful when you need to really push
> hard. Of course, you can get nutrients from carbs if you pick them right.
> Fat provides a longer term fuel, the kind of energy that will sustain long,
> but easy activity. Again, you can get useful nutrients from fat foods (EFA)
> if you pick them right. Protein provides the building blocks that help the
> body rebuild itself and protein foods contain valuable nutrients too. So a
> calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body will do with it.
> The qualifer is there for a reason, Bill.
I understand the reason. I once took a bottle of pancake syrup with me
and a chug or two of that was a quick carb boost. Not the best, but that
high fructose corn syrup sure gets into your system in a hurry.
>
> Fat is
> :: higher density so eating a plate full of McJunk is going to have ten
> :: times the calories of a plate of salad.
>
> Higher density means it weighs more (same volume) which should mean you
> don't need to eat as much to get sated.
Almost correct. Fat causes the 'full' feeling faster.
Thus, it should not matter whether
> you eat a meal with a lot of fat or not as long as you don't overstuff your
> piehole. Eating fat isn't the problem, eating too much is.
Agreed that too much of anything is bad. I still maintain that a pound
of junk hamburger is going to have a lot more calories, by weight, than
a pound of lettuce. I've tried eating a lot of lettuce to the point of
being full and never wanting to see lettuce again, but I did not feel
energized.
>
>
> Either way, the excess gets
> :: turned into fat. I'm thinking that a healthy rider could take as the
> :: only food source, a bottle of vegetable oil and drink that for pure
> :: calories along with water, or a sports drink, and never be worse off
> :: for doing it.
>
> I would never do that. Your body can only store about 2000 kcals of
> glycogen (stored glucose) and vegetable oil won't replenish any of that
> since it contains no carbs. hence, one the body's store of glycogen is
> depleted, the rider bonks. This happens sooner the harder you ride.
I try not to ride that hard all the time since I can put on 50 miles in
3 hours or 5 hours. It's all exercise.
So, the
> more hills you have, the faster you go up them, the more you deplete
> glycogen.
That is the whole point of killing yourself going uphill and then you
get to coast downhill.
The soon you feel like shit and can't get home. Calories from
> Veggie oil won't help much here.
That all depends on the how and why of the ride. My home is at nearly
sea level so I can get home even if the sea level miles are slow and
semi-bonked. Remember, I am not training for a race at my age, just for
a Century of years, and even that may not be desirable. 42 more years?
>
> :: I think this subject will get a LOT more attention now that obesity
> :: in children has made national news again. The statement that this
> :: generation of kids might not outlive their parents is probably true.
> :: Computers, video games, 500 channels of junk on TV, scooter boards
> :: with motors, etc. High tech may mean we can make larger studies but
> :: looking at the kids, there is way too much McDonalds going into
> :: their stomaches. My stepdaughter is guilty of this in a big way, by
> :: being too lazy to cook a good meal and giving the kids McDonalds,
> :: Taco Bell, pizza, Burger King, or whatever, but never anything
> :: healthy. Food and computers may be the plague that brings us down.
>
> Well, I wouldn't blame just the fast food joints. You can buy plenty of
> junk food in the local superket. In fact, most of the stuff sold there
> is crap. Parents are buying that too, so kids get junk at home as well.
I know enough to read the labels, which drives my wife nuts, but I don't
want to eat anything where the first ingredient is sugar or high
fructose corn syrup, or has any trans-fatty junk.
>
> :: BTW, I like the extra water, non-fat cottage cheese. It tastes as
> :: good as the 4% normal stuff.
> :: Try to eat non-fat, non-junk food and if you do eat some junk ride 20
> :: miles for each item as penance (reward?).
>
> Well, I think it's ridiculous to by food that has the fat removed. Such
> nonsense. Useless processing. Food should be kept as natural as possible,
> IMO.
Skim milk is non-fat and is natural. That's where cream comes from.
Homogenizing milk to make the fat stay in the milk and not rise to the
top counts as not natural with me.
And yes, to a 20 mile ride is a good way to work off the junk food.
> Or, a 20-mile is is a good way to earn the right ot eat a piece of chocolate
> cake.
Cake, one of my main food groups if it is Chocolate. Double Chocolate.
Bill Baka
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Date: 06 Apr 2007 15:27:26
From: Bob in CT
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:40:34 -0400, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
> [cut]
>
> I know enough to read the labels, which drives my wife nuts, but I don't
> want to eat anything where the first ingredient is sugar or high
> fructose corn syrup, or has any trans-fatty junk.
Good -- transfats are bad. Very bad.
>> :: BTW, I like the extra water, non-fat cottage cheese. It tastes as
>> :: good as the 4% normal stuff.
>> :: Try to eat non-fat, non-junk food and if you do eat some junk ride 20
>> :: miles for each item as penance (reward?).
>> Well, I think it's ridiculous to by food that has the fat removed.
>> Such nonsense. Useless processing. Food should be kept as natural as
>> possible, IMO.
>
> Skim milk is non-fat and is natural. That's where cream comes from.
> Homogenizing milk to make the fat stay in the milk and not rise to the
> top counts as not natural with me.
Some people even think that the homogenization process is bad. It's
unclear, though, whether that's true. However, fat is not bad for you.
It's just not.
> And yes, to a 20 mile ride is a good way to work off the junk food.
>> Or, a 20-mile is is a good way to earn the right ot eat a piece of
>> chocolate cake.
>
> Cake, one of my main food groups if it is Chocolate. Double Chocolate.
> Bill Baka
>
Now, that is bad for you, but that's because 99.99999% of cakes contain
transfat and 100% contain too much sugar.
The point is that saturated fat is not bad for you. Neither is eating
fat. What's bad for you is eating too much and eating high carbohydrate.
People say that the American diet is high fat. But in reality, it's high
calorie and very, very high sugar. The fat's not necessarily the problem.
--
Bob in CT
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 04:59:40
From: nash
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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But in reality, it's high
calorie and very, very high sugar. The fat's not necessarily the problem.
<<<<<<<<
Did you see "Super size it"
Even the Doctor was shocked what the fat did to that kid.
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 21:56:11
From: Bill
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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nash wrote:
> But in reality, it's high
> calorie and very, very high sugar. The fat's not necessarily the problem.
> <<<<<<<<
>
> Did you see "Super size it"
> Even the Doctor was shocked what the fat did to that kid.
>
>
I heard that the guy on "Super size it" was told by his doctor at about
the third week to stop because he was killing himself with that food.
I guess the "Junk food" label really is appropriate.
Bill Baka
Junk food free for 3 years.
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Date: 06 Apr 2007 20:10:25
From: Bill
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Bob in CT wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:40:34 -0400, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> [cut]
>>
> Some people even think that the homogenization process is bad. It's
> unclear, though, whether that's true. However, fat is not bad for you.
> It's just not.
No, it isn't since we evolved to process and store fat for the days when
the hunt didn't go so well. Now that we can buy anything we want and as
much as we want there is no calorie control mechanism, yet. Evolution
may take care of that by killing off the really obese types before they
can propagate their overeating genes.
>
>> And yes, to a 20 mile ride is a good way to work off the junk food.
>>> Or, a 20-mile is is a good way to earn the right ot eat a piece of
>>> chocolate cake.
>>
>> Cake, one of my main food groups if it is Chocolate. Double Chocolate.
>> Bill Baka
>>
>
> Now, that is bad for you, but that's because 99.99999% of cakes contain
> transfat and 100% contain too much sugar.
I read the labels on them too, and I have to admit that there is still
the sugar and transfat. The sugar could go and be substituted by
Splenda, which I have used in Green tea and can't tell the difference.
Other sweeteners leave a 'chemical' kind of taste in my mouth.
>
> The point is that saturated fat is not bad for you. Neither is eating
> fat. What's bad for you is eating too much and eating high
> carbohydrate. People say that the American diet is high fat. But in
> reality, it's high calorie and very, very high sugar. The fat's not
> necessarily the problem.
>
> --Bob in CT
Yes, way, way, too much sugar. Now if that could be turned into
something akin to Splenda with no calories we might be on to something.
Just last night on the NBC news there was a special on childhood
obesity, and it's no wonder, with McJunk fast food, and what you get in
pre-packaged food. Even KFC destroys chicken by deep frying it. Add to
that the only exercise kids get these days is the fingers used for their
video games or the TV remote.
My personal favorite way to cook is to use a steamer. Chicken breast
gets done in about 5 minutes and there is no vitamin loss from over
temperature or boiling water. Works great for Broccoli and veggies too.
Bill (chef mode) Baka
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Date: 03 Apr 2007 14:05:17
From: Bill
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Bob in CT wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Matt O'Toole wrote:
>> :: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
>> :: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not the
>> :: best kind for your overall health.
>>
>> Nonsense (the last part).
>>
>>
>
> Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the relationship
> between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely four found a
> statistically significant relationship. The massive nurse's study just
> showed that lowering overall fat content does nothing for heart
> disease. There are many studies indicating no relationship between
> saturated fat and any of a number of things, including heart disease,
> cancer, etc.
>
> --Bob in CT
Saturated fat is not a necessary thing with cottage cheese since it does
come in non-fat versions. As far as the fat thing, IMO couch potato
vegetarians can have a heart attack just as easily as his meat eating
neighbor who rides a bike. Too many people in my age group have spent
their lives working in a cubicle and counting their money, so I expect a
lot of baby boomers to self destruct in the next ten years. All the
people I knew who died early were doing something wrong and expected the
doctor to give them a magic pill.
Shit, rant mode.
Sorry.
Cottage cheese is a good thing in the non-fat type but I wouldn't call
it power food, just good food. Maybe post ride food.
Bill Baka
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 16:17:06
From: Bob in CT
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On Thu, 29 2007 13:54:39 -0400, Kristian M Zoerhoff
<kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 2007-03-29, Tom Keats <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just looking for a reasonably palatable way to include
>> more dairy in my diet, with hopes it might alleviate
>> the leg cramps thing. I generally don't indulge in
>> much dairy products, especially during the warmer
>> seasons. People ask what to do about leg cramps, and
>> the usual responses is: milk, and bananas. To which
>> I say: blecch.
>
> I don't believe dairy will help with cramps near as much as
> potassium will. Since bananas won't do, how about something
> from the table located at
>
> <http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/potassium/>
>
> Baked potatoes, orange juice, raisins, acorn squash, almonds --
> there has to be /something/ you like there.
>
The best potassium substitute is light salt.
--
Bob in CT
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 11:15:22
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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Tom Keats wrote:
:: I've never particularly cared for the stuff,
:: but I'm willing to give it another chance.
:: I may even dare to see what it does to my
:: homemade coleslaw.
::
:: I don't usually indulge in dairy products other
:: than hard cheese (I absolutely detest straight-up
:: milk,) and I also occasionally suffer leg (calf)
:: cramps. There's been a number of times I've had
:: to pull over, sit down, stretch my leg out, maybe
:: kick a shoe off, and let my calf muscle first
:: punish me with excruciating pain, and then
:: gradually, begrudgingly allow my toes to all
:: point in the right direction (forward.)
::
:: So, I'm going to see if including cottage cheese
:: in my diet might enhance my cycling experience.
::
Why would you expect CC to make a difference one way or another? CC is a
good source of protein and fat, but there are plenty of other sources for
this. I don't see what's special about CC. And for cycling, it all
depends. If you need to ride hard & fast or climb a lot, I don't think CC
is going to be worth much. If you tend to not drive your heart rate up,
then CC can provide fuel to move (slowly) and materials to rebuild your
body.
:: If I put it in my coleslaw, I figure the usual
:: big splash of dill pickle juice I put in there,
:: plus maybe a drizzle of orange juice, might kill
:: any horribly insipid cottage cheese flavour.
Gee, if you don't like it, don't eat it. There are other foods to eat, and
CC isn't some miracle food.
::
:: I might even top my potato pancakes with it,
:: instead of sour cream. But I admit I'll have
:: to force myself to do so.
::
:: And I ain't letting the stuff anywhere near my aspics.
::
::
:: cheers, & I'm not very fond of bananas either,
:: Tom
Ok, that's two food you don't like. There are plenty of others. Do you
have some issue with your cycling?
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 07:02:45
From: landotter
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On 29, 1:25 am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> I've never particularly cared for the stuff,
> but I'm willing to give it another chance.
> I may even dare to see what it does to my
> homemade coleslaw.
Don't fuck it up by mixing it with slaw for chrissakes. Large curd is
the way to go. Regular or low fat. The low fat one is sometimes just
labled "low fat" and not "large curd" so you'll have to take a chance
sometimes. Serve plain with fresh ground pepper. Nothing else needed.
Don't get the small curd, it'll remind you of baby poo, unless you're
into that kind of thing.
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 05:47:53
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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On 29, 8:25 am, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> I've never particularly cared for the stuff,
> but I'm willing to give it another chance.
> I may even dare to see what it does to my
> homemade coleslaw.
>
> I don't usually indulge in dairy products other
> than hard cheese (I absolutely detest straight-up
> milk,) and I also occasionally suffer leg (calf)
> cramps. There's been a number of times I've had
> to pull over, sit down, stretch my leg out, maybe
> kick a shoe off, and let my calf muscle first
> punish me with excruciating pain, and then
> gradually, begrudgingly allow my toes to all
> point in the right direction (forward.)
>
> So, I'm going to see if including cottage cheese
> in my diet might enhance my cycling experience.
>
> If I put it in my coleslaw, I figure the usual
> big splash of dill pickle juice I put in there,
> plus maybe a drizzle of orange juice, might kill
> any horribly insipid cottage cheese flavour.
>
> I might even top my potato pancakes with it,
> instead of sour cream. But I admit I'll have
> to force myself to do so.
>
> And I ain't letting the stuff anywhere near my aspics.
>
> cheers, & I'm not very fond of bananas either,
> Tom
>
> --
> Nothing is safe from me.
> Above address is just a spam midden.
> I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
Cottage cheese is high in protein, and reasonably to very low fat.
Also low carbohydrate. As a fuel, I'd say it's not a very economical
nor effective choice. As a part of a regular diet, I find it
indispensable. I like to try to maintain a high protein intake, and to
keep a particular carb-protein balance with each meal. I find is
sometime difficult to get enough protein for this in a normal meal, so
I use varying amounts of cottage cheese to adjust the balance. I like
it too!
Joseph
Joseph
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 08:16:03
From: Ron Hardin
Subject: Re: is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?
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It stops diarrhea in dogs.
--
Ron Hardin
rhhardin@mindspring.com
On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.
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