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Date: 12 Mar 2007 20:48:39
From: Tom Keats
Subject: the trouble with DST is
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we've gotta recalculate when the sun's going
to be shining in our eyes, and readjust to
that new time.
cheers,
Tom
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Date: 19 Mar 2007 21:40:12
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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In article <1173837822.094358.102460@y66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
"Brian Huntley" <brian_huntley@hotmail.com > writes:
> On 13, 5:04 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>> Farm/ranch animals don't understand DST, so one day
>> starting to feed or milk them an hour earlier or an hour
>> later just confuses and upsets them.
>
> You know, nobody ever said you had to reset your cows.
They're obdurately unresetable.
> My agrokin, as
> far as I recall, just adjusted their own schedules for DST.
As do mine. With some degree of resentment.
> The cows
> might as well have been on Zulu time.
If you live in the city and have an early morning commute,
ya've gotta deal with the nocturnal urban wildlife, too --
raccoons, kyoots[*] and skunks. Avoiding the latter requires
especially dark-adapted eyes. And maybe bears and cougars in
some areas.
Oh, well. At least the daylight hours are perceptibly
extending now, both into the AM and PM.
Hey, I think it's sidereally Spring now! Or is it tomorrow?
It's close enough, anyways.
cheers,
Tom
[*] British Columbian colloquial pronunciation of "coyote".
Sounds like "cayuse" with the accent on the first syllable.
<shrug > It provides a 3rd option to the coy-ohtee/coy-oat
pronunciation debate.
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 14:38:27
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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On 13, 11:04 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> Up here in these somewhat more northern climes, the
> setting sun lingers low in the sky for a long time,
> staring ya right in the face. And we haven't even
> hit the equinox yet.
>
> If it's been raining all day and then that low sun comes
> out in the evening, the glare off the wet streets can be
> headache-inspiring. It's good to have ~two~ sunglasses --
> light/medium duty, and heavy duty, as long as they don't
> mask certain colours (of cars.)
Here at 60deg North, the sun is almost always low in a glare inducing
way no matter what time of day. When ther road is wet from snow melt
or rain, I try to plan my loops so I'm not on busy roads going south.
The other day in the local paper some people were injured when a
motorist drove into the back of a stopped bus. If a bus can disappear
in the glare, a cyclist sure can. I know I can't see s*** and I don't
even have the handicap of a dirty windshield!
But on the good side, now as early as ch we still get a good 12+
hours of daylight. By the end of April that's up to 18. Plenty of
opportunity to go for long rides on weekday evenings. At the solstice
we're almost at 22!
A nice side effect of having the sun spend a lot of time low in the
sky is that rainbows are reasonably common. And shining sun during
rain showers.
Joseph
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 06:23:18
From: Gooserider
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:7fa5te.hg4.ln@bud.garden.local...
> we've gotta recalculate when the sun's going
> to be shining in our eyes, and readjust to
> that new time.
>
>
I was just getting used to riding to work in the daylight. Now the first 45
minutes of my ride are dark.
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 19:03:42
From: Brian Huntley
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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On 13, 5:04 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> Farm/ranch animals don't understand DST, so one day
> starting to feed or milk them an hour earlier or an hour
> later just confuses and upsets them.
You know, nobody ever said you had to reset your cows. My agrokin, as
far as I recall, just adjusted their own schedules for DST. The cows
might as well have been on Zulu time.
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 02:12:01
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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On 2007-03-14, Brian Huntley <brian_huntley@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 13, 5:04 pm, tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>> Farm/ranch animals don't understand DST, so one day
>> starting to feed or milk them an hour earlier or an hour
>> later just confuses and upsets them.
>
> You know, nobody ever said you had to reset your cows. My agrokin, as
> far as I recall, just adjusted their own schedules for DST. The cows
> might as well have been on Zulu time.
Shouldn't that be Zebu time?
--
__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 14:04:25
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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In article <d99cv293291af982eerg3t4epp3jt1p05n@4ax.com >,
k Hickey <k@habcycles.com > writes:
> tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>
>>we've gotta recalculate when the sun's going
>>to be shining in our eyes, and readjust to
>>that new time.
>
> Enjoy that... we don't mess around with DST here in Arizona. The LAST
> thing we need is more daylight. If we went to DST in the summer, we'd
> lose that nice pre-work hour of reasonable temperatures in the morning
> (when most of the riding gets done, BTW). No one wants that.
It's interesting, how we all adapt to our respective
climates. But then, we're a highly adaptable species[*].
Farm/ranch animals don't understand DST, so one day
starting to feed or milk them an hour earlier or an hour
later just confuses and upsets them. They like their
routine, and switching to/from DST disrupts all that.
So farmers & ranchers, and places with largely agricultural
local economies don't have much use for DST.
Up here in these somewhat more northern climes, the
setting sun lingers low in the sky for a long time,
staring ya right in the face. And we haven't even
hit the equinox yet.
If it's been raining all day and then that low sun comes
out in the evening, the glare off the wet streets can be
headache-inspiring. It's good to have ~two~ sunglasses --
light/medium duty, and heavy duty, as long as they don't
mask certain colours (of cars.)
cheers,
Tom
[*] Cyclists, I mean.
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 17:05:28
From: Daryl Hunt
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:9577te.un5.ln@bud.garden.local...
> In article <d99cv293291af982eerg3t4epp3jt1p05n@4ax.com>,
> k Hickey <k@habcycles.com> writes:
>> tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>>
>>>we've gotta recalculate when the sun's going
>>>to be shining in our eyes, and readjust to
>>>that new time.
>>
>> Enjoy that... we don't mess around with DST here in Arizona. The LAST
>> thing we need is more daylight. If we went to DST in the summer, we'd
>> lose that nice pre-work hour of reasonable temperatures in the morning
>> (when most of the riding gets done, BTW). No one wants that.
>
> It's interesting, how we all adapt to our respective
> climates. But then, we're a highly adaptable species[*].
>
> Farm/ranch animals don't understand DST, so one day
> starting to feed or milk them an hour earlier or an hour
> later just confuses and upsets them. They like their
> routine, and switching to/from DST disrupts all that.
> So farmers & ranchers, and places with largely agricultural
> local economies don't have much use for DST.
>
> Up here in these somewhat more northern climes, the
> setting sun lingers low in the sky for a long time,
> staring ya right in the face. And we haven't even
> hit the equinox yet.
>
> If it's been raining all day and then that low sun comes
> out in the evening, the glare off the wet streets can be
> headache-inspiring. It's good to have ~two~ sunglasses --
> light/medium duty, and heavy duty, as long as they don't
> mask certain colours (of cars.)
In about 4.5 billion years you will have to no longer calculate when the sun
is in your eyes considering the Earth will be part of the sun going nova.
So we have fun till then. (grin)
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 08:58:20
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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On Tue, 13 2007 14:04:25 -0800, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats)
wrote:
>Farm/ranch animals don't understand DST, so one day
>starting to feed or milk them an hour earlier or an hour
>later just confuses and upsets them. They like their
>routine, and switching to/from DST disrupts all that.
>So farmers & ranchers, and places with largely agricultural
>local economies don't have much use for DST.
Speaking as someone that walks his Scotties at 4 in the morning, I
don't have much use for it either. It takes a couple of weeks in the
fall to get them to agree 4 am is 4 am again.
Now, however, is fine. They're staggering around trying to figure out
who signed them up for basic training at 3 in the morning.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 07:06:12
From: DanKMTB@gmail.com
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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On 13, 12:16 am, k Hickey <m...@habcycles.com > wrote:
> Strangely enough though, my computer decided to adjust its clock this
> morning anyway (even though I have it set to the "Arizona time zone",
> meaning that (apparently) Microsoft's DST patch that keeps the rest of
> the world in sync screwed up us modern DST-free time zones. Sigh...
I live in NH, and my PC didn't adjust the time. Last night I went in
and had it "update now", and as of around midnight last night EST it
still hadn't made the DST change. Oh well...
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 10:37:30
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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DanKMTB@gmail.com wrote:
:: On 13, 12:16 am, k Hickey <m...@habcycles.com > wrote:
::: Strangely enough though, my computer decided to adjust its clock
::: this morning anyway (even though I have it set to the "Arizona time
::: zone", meaning that (apparently) Microsoft's DST patch that keeps
::: the rest of the world in sync screwed up us modern DST-free time
::: zones. Sigh...
::
:: I live in NH, and my PC didn't adjust the time. Last night I went in
:: and had it "update now", and as of around midnight last night EST it
:: still hadn't made the DST change. Oh well...
I live in SC and all three of my machines made the adjustment without issue.
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Date: 13 Mar 2007 05:51:10
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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On 12, 10:16 pm, k Hickey <m...@habcycles.com > wrote:
> tkeats2...@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
> >we've gotta recalculate when the sun's going
> >to be shining in our eyes, and readjust to
> >that new time.
>
> Enjoy that... we don't mess around with DST here in Arizona. The LAST
> thing we need is more daylight. If we went to DST in the summer, we'd
> lose that nice pre-work hour of reasonable temperatures in the morning
> (when most of the riding gets done, BTW). No one wants that.
>
> Strangely enough though, my computer decided to adjust its clock this
> morning anyway (even though I have it set to the "Arizona time zone",
> meaning that (apparently) Microsoft's DST patch that keeps the rest of
> the world in sync screwed up us modern DST-free time zones. Sigh...
>
> k Hickey
> Habanero Cycleshttp://www.habcycles.com
> Home of the $795 ti frame
careful Mr Bill is watching.....
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Date: 12 Mar 2007 21:16:59
From: Mark Hickey
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>we've gotta recalculate when the sun's going
>to be shining in our eyes, and readjust to
>that new time.
Enjoy that... we don't mess around with DST here in Arizona. The LAST
thing we need is more daylight. If we went to DST in the summer, we'd
lose that nice pre-work hour of reasonable temperatures in the morning
(when most of the riding gets done, BTW). No one wants that.
Strangely enough though, my computer decided to adjust its clock this
morning anyway (even though I have it set to the "Arizona time zone",
meaning that (apparently) Microsoft's DST patch that keeps the rest of
the world in sync screwed up us modern DST-free time zones. Sigh...
k Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 02:16:41
From: brink
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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"k Hickey" <k@habcycles.com > wrote in message
news:d99cv293291af982eerg3t4epp3jt1p05n@4ax.com...
> tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote:
>
>>we've gotta recalculate when the sun's going
>>to be shining in our eyes, and readjust to
>>that new time.
>
> Enjoy that... we don't mess around with DST here in Arizona. The LAST
> thing we need is more daylight. If we went to DST in the summer, we'd
> lose that nice pre-work hour of reasonable temperatures in the morning
> (when most of the riding gets done, BTW). No one wants that.
Wouldn't DST give you even cooler temps for your morning ride? 7am at MST
translates to 6am MDT. I reckon that would be good for a 2-5 degree
difference in temp.
brink
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Date: 14 Mar 2007 03:20:03
From: Mike Kruger
Subject: Re: the trouble with DST is
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k Hickey wrote:
>
> Strangely enough though, my computer decided to adjust its clock this
> morning anyway (even though I have it set to the "Arizona time zone",
> meaning that (apparently) Microsoft's DST patch that keeps the rest of
> the world in sync screwed up us modern DST-free time zones. Sigh...
>
Be glad you aren't using Outlook.
The "fix" is so bad that, after a cold boot, I opened up two windows with my
calendar in them.
One window showed meetings at 8:30, 9, and 10 [correct]
The other showed these same meetings at 9:30, 10 and 10 [wrong]
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