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Date: 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00
From: max
Subject: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5 >, in front of a new
home construction site.
I did not stick around to get my ass kicked, and the invitation to such was
made (by him) and thus didn't get a plate, but i called the cops when i got
to work. I will pick up his plate # and report it tomorrow, assuming he's
not in his vehicle in the middle of the street again.
Just watch out on north river street in Batavia.
.max
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 23:15:17
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 26, 12:53 am, Bob Hunt wrote:
> On Jul 23, 3:04 am, "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> > I thought the FRT went from Aurora to Crystal Lake?
>
> North of East Dundee it becomes the Prairie Trail. I don't know what
> it is called south of Batavia.
Here is the official FVPD map:
<http://www.foxvalleyparkdistrict.org/parks_trails/trailmaps/
foxrivertrail.html >.
I apologize if the URL does not wrap, but since my News feed is down,
I have to resort to Gurgle Gropes [1] to post.
[1] A gdanielsism for Google Groups [2].
[2] The current version is inferior to its predecessor in every way I
can think of, including breaking URL's.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 22:53:31
From: Bob
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 23, 3:04 am, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I thought the FRT went from Aurora to Crystal Lake?
North of East Dundee it becomes the Prairie Trail. I don't know what
it is called south of Batavia.
Regards,
Bob Hunt
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 23:17:44
From: Bob
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 20, 6:57 am, "gotbent" <gotbe...@spamtrap.com > wrote in part:
> Is it time for Bob Hunt to reread the ROR?
I'm quite familiar with Illinois traffic law, thanks. Perhaps though
you should re-read my posts in this thread. Your complaint of a poor
riding surface is true on some stretches but that has nothing to do
with traffic laws and little to do with what I wrote. What I wrote was
that the FRT can be ridden on darned near any bike without any
problems if the rider simply exercises common sense and keeps the
speed down. It certainly doesn't require suspension and fat tires.
What got Tom Sherman's panties in a bunch was my opinion that one type
of bike that shouldn't be on that trail is a trike because they take
up too much of the path. He was quick to jump on that and point out
that a normal recumbent trike is barely wider than most MTB
handlebars. I guess then the problems I've encountered weren't the
fault of those trikes but of their riders' ability or just
inconsiderate attitudes. In fairness, those problems are rather
infrequent just because trikes are all that popular. My comment was
merely an aside. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
BTW, the FRT does not begin and end in Batavia. I've ridden its entire
length from Batavia to East Dundee and back more times than I can
count. I prefer to ride on the road but that's my wife's favorite
trail so what can I do?
Regards,
Bob Hunt
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 03:04:52
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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Bob Hunt wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:57 am, "gotbent" <gotbe...@spamtrap.com> wrote in part:
>
>> Is it time for Bob Hunt to reread the ROR?
>
> I'm quite familiar with Illinois traffic law, thanks. Perhaps though
> you should re-read my posts in this thread. Your complaint of a poor
> riding surface is true on some stretches but that has nothing to do
> with traffic laws and little to do with what I wrote. What I wrote was
> that the FRT can be ridden on darned near any bike without any
> problems if the rider simply exercises common sense and keeps the
> speed down.
The goose poop can be a hazard for two-wheelers, particularly after it
rains.
The Route 25 crossing in St. Charles always bothered me, since the sight
lines are not that long and the motor vehicle traffic is often moving
about 40-mph.
> It certainly doesn't require suspension and fat tires.
But said items are of benefit to comfort and safety on the poorer
sections of the FRT.
> What got Tom Sherman's panties in a bunch was my opinion that one type
> of bike that shouldn't be on that trail is a trike because they take
> up too much of the path. He was quick to jump on that and point out
> that a normal recumbent trike is barely wider than most MTB
> handlebars. I guess then the problems I've encountered weren't the
> fault of those trikes but of their riders' ability or just
> inconsiderate attitudes. In fairness, those problems are rather
> infrequent just because trikes are all that popular. My comment was
> merely an aside. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
There are many inconsiderate users who take more than their share of
trail width that are NOT on recumbent trikes. If the trail is not wide
enough to accommodate a recumbent trike, then it is not safe to ride on
a bicycle at anything above pedestrian speed.
> BTW, the FRT does not begin and end in Batavia. I've ridden its entire
> length from Batavia to East Dundee and back more times than I can
> count....
I thought the FRT went from Aurora to Crystal Lake?
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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 16:36:29
From: max
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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In article <46a45502$0$15142$88260bb3@free.teranews.com >,
"Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
> The Route 25 crossing in St. Charles always bothered me, since the sight
> lines are not that long and the motor vehicle traffic is often moving
> about 40-mph.
I live two streets up from the southern of those two crossings. Hate 'em.
I enter via the Division St. park driveway.
.max
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 12:41:22
From: Kristian M Zoerhoff
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On 2007-07-23, Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
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> I thought the FRT went from Aurora to Crystal Lake?
Oswego to Genoa City, WI now, if you include the McHenry County Prairie Trail
(which I do, since it's a seamless transition at the county line).
They're trying to bridge that last gap in downtown Aurora, between Galena
Blvd and the Virgil Gilman Trail, but it's not a done deal last I heard.
A local brewery/restaurant is sponsoring a ride from East Dundee to Oswego
on the trail on the 29th. 32 miles end-to-end, but I'm not sure how they're
going to advise folks to navigate Aurora. I might ride for the free beer at
the Oswego end of the ride, but then I have to figure out how to get back
home (closer to the Dundee end of the trail). I guess more riding :-)
--
__o Kristian Zoerhoff
_'\(,_ kristian.zoerhoff@gmail.com
(_)/ (_)
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 21:31:27
From: Bob
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 18, 6:53 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Officer Bob Hunt wrote:
> > On Jul 13, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> > <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Bob McFakename who? wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
> >>>> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
> >>>> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
> >>>> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
> >>>> home construction site.
>
> > I don't know if he was deliberately blocking you or if he was just
> > delivering to the construction site so I have no opinion on that but
> > when you write-
>
> >> The Fox River Trail is best negotiated on a recumbent
> >> trike with suspension at a moderate pace.
>
> > I have an opinion on that. The FRT is easily ridden on darned near any
> > kind of bike so long as you keep the speed down under 20 mph, under 15
> > mph in the more crowded areas. IMO onne kind of bike that should *not*
> > be on that path is any kind of trike, not if you want to show
> > consideration for the other path users. Trikes are simply too wide and
> > take up too much of the path, particularly on the twisty sections. In
> > terms of space used, trikes and rollerbladers are the non-motorized
> > equivalent of overgrown SUVs.
>
> We can be happy that Bob only enforces the law, and does not write it.
>
> A normal recumbent trike is only a few inches wider (at most) at the
> tires than the handlebars of a typical MTB or cruiser bicycle. The trike
> rider can also ride near the edge, since dropping a wheel off the edge
> is not a disaster.
>
> I used to live in Batavia, and my trike (Earth Cycles Dragonflyer) is
> not particularly narrow. Yet, at least on the sections from North Aurora
> to the south side of Elgin, I never took up more than half the path width.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> --
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We can be happy that you doesn't enforce *or* write laws because you
seem to have a reading/language comprehension problem. I didn't
propose any law. I stated my opinion that far too many trike riders
take up too much of the space to be called considerate. If you, "never
took up more than half the path width", you'd be the exception to my
experience.
Regards,
Bob Hunt
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 23:58:07
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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Bob Hunt, who does not honor the signature separator, wrote:
> On Jul 18, 6:53 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Officer Bob Hunt wrote:
>>> On Jul 13, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Bob McFakename who? wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
>>>>>> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
>>>>>> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
>>>>>> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
>>>>>> home construction site.
>>> I don't know if he was deliberately blocking you or if he was just
>>> delivering to the construction site so I have no opinion on that but
>>> when you write-
>>>> The Fox River Trail is best negotiated on a recumbent
>>>> trike with suspension at a moderate pace.
>>> I have an opinion on that. The FRT is easily ridden on darned near any
>>> kind of bike so long as you keep the speed down under 20 mph, under 15
>>> mph in the more crowded areas. IMO onne kind of bike that should *not*
>>> be on that path is any kind of trike, not if you want to show
>>> consideration for the other path users. Trikes are simply too wide and
>>> take up too much of the path, particularly on the twisty sections. In
>>> terms of space used, trikes and rollerbladers are the non-motorized
>>> equivalent of overgrown SUVs.
>
>> We can be happy that Bob only enforces the law, and does not write it.
>>
>> A normal recumbent trike is only a few inches wider (at most) at the
>> tires than the handlebars of a typical MTB or cruiser bicycle. The trike
>> rider can also ride near the edge, since dropping a wheel off the edge
>> is not a disaster.
>>
>> I used to live in Batavia, and my trike (Earth Cycles Dragonflyer) is
>> not particularly narrow. Yet, at least on the sections from North Aurora
>> to the south side of Elgin, I never took up more than half the path width.
>
> We can be happy that you doesn't enforce *or* write laws because you
> seem to have a reading/language comprehension problem. I didn't
> propose any law. I stated my opinion that far too many trike riders
> take up too much of the space to be called considerate.
And if Bob Hunt was writing the laws, in all likelihood they would
reflect his opinions. Sheesh! It is inference (reading comprehension my
ass).
> If you, "never
> took up more than half the path width", you'd be the exception to my
> experience.
How many trike [1] riders have you seen of the FRT? I have never seen
one that I did not own, and only know of one (1) trike owner who
regularly rides on the path. Contrast that to the many adults that let
their children and dogs (i.e. children substitutes) wander all over the
focking path.
[1] Proper adult, quality recumbent trikes, not children on tricycles or
adults on cheap rental type trikes.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 06:57:29
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:46a034b7$0$8173$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> Bob Hunt, who does not honor the signature separator, wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 6:53 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Officer Bob Hunt wrote:
>>>> On Jul 13, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Bob McFakename who? wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
>>>>>>> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia
>>>>>>> (il) in a
>>>>>>> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally
>>>>>>> fucking
>>>>>>> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> home construction site.
>>>> I don't know if he was deliberately blocking you or if he was just
>>>> delivering to the construction site so I have no opinion on that but
>>>> when you write-
>>>>> The Fox River Trail is best negotiated on a recumbent
>>>>> trike with suspension at a moderate pace.
>>>> I have an opinion on that. The FRT is easily ridden on darned near any
>>>> kind of bike so long as you keep the speed down under 20 mph, under 15
>>>> mph in the more crowded areas. IMO onne kind of bike that should *not*
>>>> be on that path is any kind of trike, not if you want to show
>>>> consideration for the other path users. Trikes are simply too wide and
>>>> take up too much of the path, particularly on the twisty sections. In
>>>> terms of space used, trikes and rollerbladers are the non-motorized
>>>> equivalent of overgrown SUVs.
> >
>>> We can be happy that Bob only enforces the law, and does not write it.
>>>
>>> A normal recumbent trike is only a few inches wider (at most) at the
>>> tires than the handlebars of a typical MTB or cruiser bicycle. The trike
>>> rider can also ride near the edge, since dropping a wheel off the edge
>>> is not a disaster.
>>>
>>> I used to live in Batavia, and my trike (Earth Cycles Dragonflyer) is
>>> not particularly narrow. Yet, at least on the sections from North Aurora
>>> to the south side of Elgin, I never took up more than half the path
>>> width.
>>
>> We can be happy that you doesn't enforce *or* write laws because you
>> seem to have a reading/language comprehension problem. I didn't
>> propose any law. I stated my opinion that far too many trike riders
>> take up too much of the space to be called considerate.
>
> And if Bob Hunt was writing the laws, in all likelihood they would reflect
> his opinions. Sheesh! It is inference (reading comprehension my ass).
>
>> If you, "never
>> took up more than half the path width", you'd be the exception to my
>> experience.
>
> How many trike [1] riders have you seen of the FRT? I have never seen one
> that I did not own, and only know of one (1) trike owner who regularly
> rides on the path. Contrast that to the many adults that let their
> children and dogs (i.e. children substitutes) wander all over the focking
> path.
>
> [1] Proper adult, quality recumbent trikes, not children on tricycles or
> adults on cheap rental type trikes.
>
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
The original post that started this thread is not showing in ARBR (at least
with my browser) but it seems that Bob Hunt's opinion about trikes on the
FRT is, at best, nonsense as is his (or her's) about the trail's quality
through Batavia. I ride both the east and west side trails through that
area quite frequently and much of the west side trail is quite uncomfortable
and in my opinion dangerous. It is also uncomfortable and I ride a suspended
tricycle. The FRT through Batavia (and other stretches in North Aurora and
Aurora) seem to suffer the same problems that are being addressed in Cook
County where they the entire trail known as the North Branch is having all
20 some miles of the trail replaced. Much of the trail has insufficient
asphalt thickness (1.5" vs 3"), is too narrow and built too close to trees.
Tree roots have made much of that trail a dangerous washboard surface like
the FRT.
I have met only two other trike riders on the rail this year. One is a
gentleman who seems to be my contemporary, and from a brief discussion I had
with him, it sounded like he had suffered a stroke. I noticed that he had a
walker lashed to the Back of his trike. I met another triker who rides from
the St. Chas. area, on the trail.
While the roadway is in bad shape. Many pedestrians seem confused about the
requirement to stay right, especially around the Mill Race area where there
is a sign that directs walkers to the left which is a local condition where
the trial forks and part goes around a pavilion, yet there is no sign at the
ternimus telling the pedestrians to resume the normal traffic pattern.
If Bob Hunt is a COBP officer, then he, or she needs to learn more about the
trail and who its users are and what their rights and responsibilities are.
Several years ago I made a 911 cell call to the COBPD to report a road rage
incident where a Batavia driver tried to run me into the cars parked on the
Wilson St. Bridge. I was talking with one of the cops who responded and was
appalled that he thought that bikes should stay off busy streets because of
the problems interacting with cars. I told him that if he and the other cops
did their jobs enforcing traffic laws there wouldn't be a problem with
drivers safely interacting with bicycles and I mentioned that perhaps the
officer should take another look at the rules of the road for Illinois. Is
it time for Bob Hunt to reread the ROR?
--
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 07:27:47
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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"gotbent" aka Fox River Trail Rat wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:46a034b7$0$8173$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> Bob Hunt, who does not honor the signature separator, wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 6:53 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Officer Bob Hunt wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 13, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>>>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Bob McFakename who? wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
>>>>>>>> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia
>>>>>>>> (il) in a
>>>>>>>> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally
>>>>>>>> fucking
>>>>>>>> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a
>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> home construction site.
>>>>> I don't know if he was deliberately blocking you or if he was just
>>>>> delivering to the construction site so I have no opinion on that but
>>>>> when you write-
>>>>>> The Fox River Trail is best negotiated on a recumbent
>>>>>> trike with suspension at a moderate pace.
>>>>> I have an opinion on that. The FRT is easily ridden on darned near any
>>>>> kind of bike so long as you keep the speed down under 20 mph, under 15
>>>>> mph in the more crowded areas. IMO onne kind of bike that should *not*
>>>>> be on that path is any kind of trike, not if you want to show
>>>>> consideration for the other path users. Trikes are simply too wide and
>>>>> take up too much of the path, particularly on the twisty sections. In
>>>>> terms of space used, trikes and rollerbladers are the non-motorized
>>>>> equivalent of overgrown SUVs.
>>>> We can be happy that Bob only enforces the law, and does not write it.
>>>>
>>>> A normal recumbent trike is only a few inches wider (at most) at the
>>>> tires than the handlebars of a typical MTB or cruiser bicycle. The trike
>>>> rider can also ride near the edge, since dropping a wheel off the edge
>>>> is not a disaster.
>>>>
>>>> I used to live in Batavia, and my trike (Earth Cycles Dragonflyer) is
>>>> not particularly narrow. Yet, at least on the sections from North Aurora
>>>> to the south side of Elgin, I never took up more than half the path
>>>> width.
>>> We can be happy that you doesn't enforce *or* write laws because you
>>> seem to have a reading/language comprehension problem. I didn't
>>> propose any law. I stated my opinion that far too many trike riders
>>> take up too much of the space to be called considerate.
>> And if Bob Hunt was writing the laws, in all likelihood they would reflect
>> his opinions. Sheesh! It is inference (reading comprehension my ass).
>>
>>> If you, "never
>>> took up more than half the path width", you'd be the exception to my
>>> experience.
>> How many trike [1] riders have you seen of the FRT? I have never seen one
>> that I did not own, and only know of one (1) trike owner who regularly
>> rides on the path. Contrast that to the many adults that let their
>> children and dogs (i.e. children substitutes) wander all over the focking
>> path.
>>
>> [1] Proper adult, quality recumbent trikes, not children on tricycles or
>> adults on cheap rental type trikes.
>>
>
> The original post that started this thread is not showing in ARBR (at least
> with my browser)
I cross-posted it for the benefit of recumbent cyclists in the area.
> but it seems that Bob Hunt's opinion about trikes on the
> FRT is, at best, nonsense
I wonder if Officer Bob is thinking about those trike shape atrocities
that people can rent at resort, which are probably ridden by the
clueless. Bob Hunt should avail himself of the opportunity to ride a
proper trike (e.g. ICE/Trice, Greenspeed, Catrike) so he would
understand that such trikes are, if anything, less of a hazard to other
users due to greater control on poor surfaces.
> as is his (or her's) about the trail's quality
> through Batavia. I ride both the east and west side trails through that
> area quite frequently and much of the west side trail is quite uncomfortable
> and in my opinion dangerous.
I suggest hammering down the West Bank FRT from Wilson to Faybian on a
Sunset Lowracer - it is good to know which of your fillings need
attention from a dentist.
> It is also uncomfortable and I ride a suspended
> tricycle. The FRT through Batavia (and other stretches in North Aurora and
> Aurora) seem to suffer the same problems that are being addressed in Cook
> County where they the entire trail known as the North Branch is having all
> 20 some miles of the trail replaced. Much of the trail has insufficient
> asphalt thickness (1.5" vs 3"), is too narrow and built too close to trees.
> Tree roots have made much of that trail a dangerous washboard surface like
> the FRT.
>
> I have met only two other trike riders on the rail this year. One is a
> gentleman who seems to be my contemporary, and from a brief discussion I had
> with him, it sounded like he had suffered a stroke. I noticed that he had a
> walker lashed to the Back of his trike. I met another triker who rides from
> the St. Chas. area, on the trail.
>
> While the roadway is in bad shape. Many pedestrians seem confused about the
> requirement to stay right, especially around the Mill Race area where there
> is a sign that directs walkers to the left which is a local condition where
> the trial forks and part goes around a pavilion, yet there is no sign at the
> ternimus telling the pedestrians to resume the normal traffic pattern.
>
> If Bob Hunt is a COBP officer, then he, or she needs to learn more about the
> trail and who its users are and what their rights and responsibilities are.
>
> Several years ago I made a 911 cell call to the COBPD to report a road rage
> incident where a Batavia driver tried to run me into the cars parked on the
> Wilson St. Bridge. I was talking with one of the cops who responded and was
> appalled that he thought that bikes should stay off busy streets because of
> the problems interacting with cars. I told him that if he and the other cops
> did their jobs enforcing traffic laws there wouldn't be a problem with
> drivers safely interacting with bicycles and I mentioned that perhaps the
> officer should take another look at the rules of the road for Illinois.
I don't know about the COBPD, but the people at the Batavia city
administration were always friendly and helpful in my experience. [1]
> Is it time for Bob Hunt to reread the ROR?
Since he is a cyclist, one would hope that Bob Hunt would be aware of
the ROR as regards bicycles. I think it is more likely that he, like
many cyclists, is ignorant of the Dark Side.
[1] The polar opposite to City of Chicago city hall employees.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 09:07:32
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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snip >
> I don't know about the COBPD, but the people at the Batavia city
> administration were always friendly and helpful in my experience. [1]
>
>> Is it time for Bob Hunt to reread the ROR?
>
> Since he is a cyclist, one would hope that Bob Hunt would be aware of the
> ROR as regards bicycles. I think it is more likely that he, like many
> cyclists, is ignorant of the Dark Side.
>
> [1] The polar opposite to City of Chicago city hall employees.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>
I have had the same experiance with COB city hall. I've dealt with the
mayor, unsuccessfully, trying to get bicycle ban removed from the Wilson St
bridge during reconstruction. I also have dealt with the public works
director, sucessfully, in getting a huge snow drift that was plowed onto the
trail near the trailer park cleared and in gettting the dangerous orange
netting removed from the periphery of the trail in the three bridges park.
--
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 16:33:31
From: max
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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In article <46a3587d$0$24006$88260bb3@free.teranews.com >,
"gotbent" <gotbents@spamtrap.com > wrote:
> I also have dealt with the public works
> director, sucessfully, in getting a huge snow drift that was plowed onto the
> trail near the trailer park cleared
you did that? THANKS!! it made our rides to work a lot easier!
.max
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 02:52:58
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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gotbent wrote:
> snip>
>> I don't know about the COBPD, but the people at the Batavia city
>> administration were always friendly and helpful in my experience. [1]
>>
>>> Is it time for Bob Hunt to reread the ROR?
>> Since he is a cyclist, one would hope that Bob Hunt would be aware of the
>> ROR as regards bicycles. I think it is more likely that he, like many
>> cyclists, is ignorant of the Dark Side.
>>
>> [1] The polar opposite to City of Chicago city hall employees.
>>
> I have had the same experiance with COB city hall. I've dealt with the
> mayor, unsuccessfully, trying to get bicycle ban removed from the Wilson St
> bridge during reconstruction.
He/his office probably thought that cyclists could carry their bicycles
(and trikes?) down the stairs and use the FRT trail bridge.
> I also have dealt with the public works
> director, sucessfully, in getting a huge snow drift that was plowed onto the
> trail near the trailer park cleared and in gettting the dangerous orange
> netting removed from the periphery of the trail in the three bridges park.
That sounds more typical of Batavia.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 22:08:58
From: Neil Brooks
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:58:07 -0500, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Bob Hunt, who does not honor the signature separator,
Quoth Pink Floyd ...
"Get him up against the wall....."
For shame, Bob. For shame.
;-)
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 01:21:49
From: Bob
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 13, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Bob McFakename who? wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
>
> >> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
> >> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
> >> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
> >> home construction site.
>
I don't know if he was deliberately blocking you or if he was just
delivering to the construction site so I have no opinion on that but
when you write-
> The Fox River Trail is best negotiated on a recumbent
> trike with suspension at a moderate pace.
I have an opinion on that. The FRT is easily ridden on darned near any
kind of bike so long as you keep the speed down under 20 mph, under 15
mph in the more crowded areas. IMO onne kind of bike that should *not*
be on that path is any kind of trike, not if you want to show
consideration for the other path users. Trikes are simply too wide and
take up too much of the path, particularly on the twisty sections. In
terms of space used, trikes and rollerbladers are the non-motorized
equivalent of overgrown SUVs.
Regards,
Bob Hunt
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 06:53:17
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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Officer Bob Hunt wrote:
> On Jul 13, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Bob McFakename who? wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
>>>> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
>>>> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
>>>> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
>>>> home construction site.
>
> I don't know if he was deliberately blocking you or if he was just
> delivering to the construction site so I have no opinion on that but
> when you write-
>
>> The Fox River Trail is best negotiated on a recumbent
>> trike with suspension at a moderate pace.
>
> I have an opinion on that. The FRT is easily ridden on darned near any
> kind of bike so long as you keep the speed down under 20 mph, under 15
> mph in the more crowded areas. IMO onne kind of bike that should *not*
> be on that path is any kind of trike, not if you want to show
> consideration for the other path users. Trikes are simply too wide and
> take up too much of the path, particularly on the twisty sections. In
> terms of space used, trikes and rollerbladers are the non-motorized
> equivalent of overgrown SUVs.
We can be happy that Bob only enforces the law, and does not write it.
A normal recumbent trike is only a few inches wider (at most) at the
tires than the handlebars of a typical MTB or cruiser bicycle. The trike
rider can also ride near the edge, since dropping a wheel off the edge
is not a disaster.
I used to live in Batavia, and my trike (Earth Cycles Dragonflyer) is
not particularly narrow. Yet, at least on the sections from North Aurora
to the south side of Elgin, I never took up more than half the path width.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 04:56:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:469df30c$0$27392$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> Officer Bob Hunt wrote:
>> On Jul 13, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Bob McFakename who? wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
>>>>> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia
>>>>> (il) in a
>>>>> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally
>>>>> fucking
>>>>> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a
>>>>> new
>>>>> home construction site.
>>
>> I don't know if he was deliberately blocking you or if he was just
>> delivering to the construction site so I have no opinion on that but
>> when you write-
>>
>>> The Fox River Trail is best negotiated on a recumbent
>>> trike with suspension at a moderate pace.
>>
>> I have an opinion on that. The FRT is easily ridden on darned near any
>> kind of bike so long as you keep the speed down under 20 mph, under 15
>> mph in the more crowded areas. IMO onne kind of bike that should *not*
>> be on that path is any kind of trike, not if you want to show
>> consideration for the other path users. Trikes are simply too wide and
>> take up too much of the path, particularly on the twisty sections. In
>> terms of space used, trikes and rollerbladers are the non-motorized
>> equivalent of overgrown SUVs.
>
> We can be happy that Bob only enforces the law, and does not write it.
>
> A normal recumbent trike is only a few inches wider (at most) at the tires
> than the handlebars of a typical MTB or cruiser bicycle. The trike rider
> can also ride near the edge, since dropping a wheel off the edge is not a
> disaster.
>
> I used to live in Batavia, and my trike (Earth Cycles Dragonflyer) is not
> particularly narrow. Yet, at least on the sections from North Aurora to
> the south side of Elgin, I never took up more than half the path width.
The secret to riding any kind of bike on a bike trail that is crowded is to
keep your speed down. This may well mean 10 mph or even less at times.
Anyone who speeds on bike trail where there are many other trail users
present is a scoundrel and a cad. The Devil take him!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 13:58:38
From:
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 13, 2:20 am, Bob McFakename <b...@mcfake.com > wrote:
>
>
> From looking at that picuture, it looks like you hsd a perfectly good bike
> path close by to the west, but for whatever eason, you deliberately went
> out of your way to ride into a construction zone to give some homebuilders
> some shit. I wouldn't be quick to whine about the resulting mayhem in a
> usenet post, but hey, maybe it's a slow day in Batvia.
This post is the internet version of the "Get on the bike path!!!"
idiocy that we hear yelled from car windows every once in a while.
And how appropriate that those cowards use their car-protected
anonymity to yell abuse, while this coward uses a fake internet name!
Bikes are legally vehicles. Cyclists are entitled to use the roads.
Except in a couple backward jurisdictions, they are NOT required to
use adjoining bike paths, any more than motorists are required to use
adjoining freeways.
But thanks, "McFakename," for illustrating a downside to bike ghettos.
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 22:20:01
From: Bob McFakename
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
> home construction site.
>
> I did not stick around to get my ass kicked, and the invitation to such was
> made (by him) and thus didn't get a plate, but i called the cops when i got
> to work. I will pick up his plate # and report it tomorrow, assuming he's
> not in his vehicle in the middle of the street again.
>
> Just watch out on north river street in Batavia.
>
> .max
From looking at that picuture, it looks like you hsd a perfectly good bike
path close by to the west, but for whatever eason, you deliberately went
out of your way to ride into a construction zone to give some homebuilders
some shit. I wouldn't be quick to whine about the resulting mayhem in a
usenet post, but hey, maybe it's a slow day in Batvia.
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 06:39:23
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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Bob McFakename who? wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
>
>> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
>> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
>> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
>> home construction site.
>>
>> I did not stick around to get my ass kicked, and the invitation to such was
>> made (by him) and thus didn't get a plate, but i called the cops when i got
>> to work. I will pick up his plate # and report it tomorrow, assuming he's
>> not in his vehicle in the middle of the street again.
>>
>> Just watch out on north river street in Batavia.
>>
>> .max
>
> From looking at that pic[]ture, it looks like you hsd a perfectly good bike
> path close by to the west, but for whatever [r]eason, you deliberately went
> out of your way to ride into a construction zone to give some homebuilders
> some shit. I wouldn't be quick to whine about the resulting mayhem in a
> [U]senet post, but hey, maybe it's a slow day in Bat[a]via.
That "perfectly good bike path" is laden with "features" that make it a
poor choice for getting anywhere at a reasonable pace. Rough pavement,
blind corners [1], goose poop, at grade crossings of Route 25, traffic
lights that can not be triggered by a bicycle (in downtown St. Charles),
sections that run on sidewalks, etc. Basically the Fox Valley Park
District jammed the trail in where it would fit, with no concern for
proper design. The Fox River Trail is best negotiated on a recumbent
trike with suspension at a moderate pace.
[1] The ones by the recently demolished Hillquist Excavating were
particularly egregious.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 07:41:58
From: max
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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In article <13qfanzpjmj9p.5qm8mhbhwil4.dlg@40tude.net >,
Bob McFakename <bob@mcfake.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
>
> > Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in
> > a
> > manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
> > with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
> > home construction site.
> >
> > I did not stick around to get my ass kicked, and the invitation to such was
> > made (by him) and thus didn't get a plate, but i called the cops when i got
> > to work. I will pick up his plate # and report it tomorrow, assuming he's
> > not in his vehicle in the middle of the street again.
> >
> > Just watch out on north river street in Batavia.
> >
> > .max
>
> From looking at that picuture, it looks like you hsd a perfectly good bike
> path close by to the west, but for whatever eason, you deliberately went
> out of your way to ride into a construction zone to give some homebuilders
> some shit. I wouldn't be quick to whine about the resulting mayhem in a
> usenet post, but hey, maybe it's a slow day in Batvia.
Looks can be deceiving.
I've been riding to work almost daily for over a decade. I am not going to
prostrate myself to justify my route. I'm the man on the scene and you are
not competent to have a differing opinion.
You probably don't know it, so i'll point out that I ride most of my rides
to work on the trail.
I've done some combination of the following about 1600 times in the last 4
years of 24/7/365 rotating shifts:
short commute (6.9 mi) <http://tinyurl.com/a2b3p >
medium commute (8.2 mi) <http://tinyurl.com/dqpnb >
long commute (8.7 mi) <http://tinyurl.com/8meqf >
Mostly the medium and long routes, i take the short route when i'm pressed
for time, sick or it's snowy.
So, you might want to look at that picture again and reconsider your words.
.max
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 16:12:47
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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max? wrote:
> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
> home construction site.
>
> I did not stick around to get my ass kicked, and the invitation to such was
> made (by him) and thus didn't get a plate, but i called the cops when i got
> to work. I will pick up his plate # and report it tomorrow, assuming he's
> not in his vehicle in the middle of the street again.
Have the police followed up on this? They can't have that much else to do.
> Just watch out on north river street in Batavia.
I would if I still lived there.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
--
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 08:28:57
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 12, 10:26 am, AustinMN <tacooper...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 1:25 am, max <betat...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Just watch out on north river street in Batavia.
>
> I don't follow shortened URL's unless the full URL is included. Is
> this the Batavia in New York or Ohio?
>
> Austin
Never mind. I see where you said Illinois...
Austin (promising to read more carefully next time)
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 08:26:35
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 12, 1:25 am, max <betat...@earthlink.net > wrote:
> Just watch out on north river street in Batavia.
I don't follow shortened URL's unless the full URL is included. Is
this the Batavia in New York or Ohio?
Austin
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 17:28:18
From: max
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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AustinMN <tacooper260@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I don't follow shortened URL's unless the full URL is included.
A not-well-known tip:
one can also insert into a tinyurl link <http://tinyurl.com/2scnk5 >
the preview option, thusly <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2scnk5 >;
I tend to omit the preview switch in an effort to save our precious mouse
button resources.
.max
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 07:27:47
From: peteinchicago
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Jul 12, 8:15 am, Bob McFakename <b...@mcfake.com > wrote:
> Old, worn-out cassettes and chainrings can double as brass knuckles.
it pisses me off when someone fucks with max - i'm going out to
Batville...i love these motherfuckers who play fuckaround with
motorvehicles
and it's easy actually - i just show them my shield and MY GLOCK
--
you don't get a second chance to fuck with peteinchicago...there's a
new sheriff in town...and i ride my Schwinn everywhere
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 07:15:28
From: Bob McFakename
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 06:25:00 GMT, max wrote:
> Today a contractor deliberately blocked north River St. in Batavia (il) in a
> manner that could absolutely only be interpreted as intentionally fucking
> with me. It happened here <http://tinyurl.com/3xncf5>, in front of a new
> home construction site.
>
> I did not stick around to get my ass kicked, and the invitation to such was
> made (by him) and thus didn't get a plate, but i called the cops when i got
> to work. I will pick up his plate # and report it tomorrow, assuming he's
> not in his vehicle in the middle of the street again.
>
> Just watch out on north river street in Batavia.
>
> .max
Old, worn-out cassettes and chainrings can double as brass knuckles.
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 11:14:14
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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I got buzzed by a jerk driver today. Was it a redneck in a pickup? No,
it was a woman in a dirty white Honda. What do you do? You just forget
it and drive on. The best revenge is to have a good life and not let
the jerks get to you.
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 17:43:13
From: max
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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In article <5fn2anF3d5qodU1@mid.individual.net >,
catzz66 <catzz66@threeletterservice.com > wrote:
> I got buzzed by a jerk driver today. Was it a redneck in a pickup? No,
> it was a woman in a dirty white Honda. What do you do? You just forget
> it and drive on. The best revenge is to have a good life and not let
> the jerks get to you.
This was a little different. It was more like coming to a bridge and
confronting a giant troll. I've been buzzed, brushed, bottle-thrown,
honked, tire-squeeled, gravel-sprayed, yelled at, yadda, lotsa times.
This was definitely of a different class of interaction.
I did pretty much ride on, but something about the situation gave me
thoughts that i needed to start documenting it, if not for me then for
the next unfortunate bastard, so that the perp has a tail, so to speak.
.max
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 18:15:39
From: Zoot Katz
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:43:13 GMT, max <betatron@earthlink.net > wrote:
> I did pretty much ride on, but something about the situation gave me
>thoughts that i needed to start documenting it, if not for me then for
>the next unfortunate bastard, so that the perp has a tail, so to speak.
>
>.max
Thanks for taking the time to report a lethally armed whack-job being
at large in your community.
--
zk
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 13:02:15
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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max wrote:
> In article <5fn2anF3d5qodU1@mid.individual.net>,
> catzz66 <catzz66@threeletterservice.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I got buzzed by a jerk driver today. Was it a redneck in a pickup? No,
>>it was a woman in a dirty white Honda. What do you do? You just forget
>>it and drive on. The best revenge is to have a good life and not let
>>the jerks get to you.
>
>
> This was a little different. It was more like coming to a bridge and
> confronting a giant troll. I've been buzzed, brushed, bottle-thrown,
> honked, tire-squeeled, gravel-sprayed, yelled at, yadda, lotsa times.
> This was definitely of a different class of interaction.
>
> I did pretty much ride on, but something about the situation gave me
> thoughts that i needed to start documenting it, if not for me then for
> the next unfortunate bastard, so that the perp has a tail, so to speak.
>
> .max
I would have been as upset as you, max. Good luck to you.
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 09:32:57
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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catzz66 wrote:
> I got buzzed by a jerk driver today. Was it a redneck in a pickup? No, it
> was a woman in a dirty white Honda. What do you do? You just
> forget it and drive on. The best revenge is to have a good life and
> not let the jerks get to you.
Yup. Give 'em grief (an earful) if it's appropriate and the opp presents
(and it's not Bruno Samartino), then forget it. All part of the adventure.
BS
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 08:03:36
From: dgk
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:32:57 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>catzz66 wrote:
>> I got buzzed by a jerk driver today. Was it a redneck in a pickup? No, it
>> was a woman in a dirty white Honda. What do you do? You just
>> forget it and drive on. The best revenge is to have a good life and
>> not let the jerks get to you.
>
>Yup. Give 'em grief (an earful) if it's appropriate and the opp presents
>(and it's not Bruno Samartino), then forget it. All part of the adventure.
>
>BS
>
Bruno Sammartino? I once made my father take me to Madison Square
Garden to see him, it must have been around 1966.
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 09:33:37
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: unsatisfactory driver in Batavia.
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dgk wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:32:57 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
> wrote:
>
>> catzz66 wrote:
>>> I got buzzed by a jerk driver today. Was it a redneck in a pickup?
>>> No, it was a woman in a dirty white Honda. What do you do? You
>>> just
>>> forget it and drive on. The best revenge is to have a good life and
>>> not let the jerks get to you.
>>
>> Yup. Give 'em grief (an earful) if it's appropriate and the opp
>> presents (and it's not Bruno Samartino), then forget it. All part
>> of the adventure.
>>
>> BS
>>
>
> Bruno Sammartino? I once made my father take me to Madison Square
> Garden to see him, it must have been around 1966.
Yup. Saw him in DC around same time. Haystacks Calhoun was prolly on the
same card.
Bill "pencil-neck geek (F. Blassy)" S.
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