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Date: 12 Apr 2007 13:29:27
From: routemappr
Subject: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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http://veloroutes.org is a site like bikely/routeslip but has other
features like a topo-map, as well as an elevation profile that's drawn
as you click your route. another difference is that no signup is
required, you can just save your route and get a URL to get back to
it.
your routes can also be viewed in Google Earth using the KML-output
feature, and GPS-techies can download GPX versions of their routes
that can be uploaded to their devices.
the site's not perfect but it's pretty new on the bike-mapping scene,
so stay tuned for new features, etc.
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Date: 11 May 2007 10:38:05
From: bdbafh
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On May 8, 11:33 am, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> Bob in CT wrote:
> >>> i top it out at 9% since if it goes past that it'll often jump
> >>> to 20% or 30% for hills that are only 12-15%....
>
> >> Hee-hee. we actually have hills that steep 'round these parts.
>
> > Have you actually measured them? I have a program that shows the
> > elevation profile of any road in its database. The steepest hill I've
> > been on is about 13.x percent grade, and luckily it's not that long of a
> > hill. If you can give me the name of a street, I can tell you what the
> > percent gradient is.
>
> Actually, Pittsburgh is known for some insanely steep hills. There are
> also some in Eastern PA and NJ that are brutally steep, well over 15%:
>
> Fiddler's Elbow, Iron Bridge -- both in NJ, Warren County, I think,
> rumored to be nearly 20%
http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=938
Veloroutes has it at a max grade of 23%.
Its typically included in this ride:
"Hillier Than Thou" - again in Sept, 2007.
http://www.cjbc.org/
I'll see what the Garmin Edge 305 says then.
This one has a max grade of 19%
Millbrook Rd Blairstown, NJ 07825
http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=939
-bdbafh
> The "dark side" of Hawk Mountain, in PA, with a finishing stretch of 17%
> --- and that one is long, too.
>
> There are others whose exact name I have forgotten. One short road in
> Bala Cynwyd (sp??), a suburb of Philadelphia, starts off fording a
> little stream, then heads up so steeply that horizontal grooves have
> been cut into the pavement so cars can get enough traction to climb it.
>
> --
>
> David L. Johnson
>
> "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
> little statesmen and philosophers and divines." --Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Date: 09 May 2007 20:58:38
From: mello.velo
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On May 7, 5:00 pm, bdbafh <bdb...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On May 7, 5:12 pm, routemappr <velorou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 4:19 pm, oughtfour <lus...@rnospam.net> wrote:
>
> > > routemappr wrote:
> > > >http://veloroutes.orgisasite like bikely/routeslip but has other
> > > > features like a topo-map, as well as an elevation profile that's drawn
> > > > as you click your route. another difference is that no signup is
> > > > required, you can just save your route and get a URL to get back to
> > > > it.
>
> > > > your routes can also be viewed in Google Earth using the KML-output
> > > > feature, and GPS-techies can download GPX versions of their routes
> > > > that can be uploaded to their devices.
>
> > > > the site's not perfect but it's pretty new on the bike-mapping scene,
> > > > so stay tuned for new features, etc.
>
> > > This is pretty fun. Since you are asking for suggestions, I have two:
> > > cumulative altitude gain (how much I've climbed on the ride), and
> > > multiple undo.
>
> > > Nice job!
>
> > I've added the total elevation gain feature, now all routes (old ones
> > too) have total gain saved. (see homepage)
>
> > I also tweaked the % grade calculation, does it seem more accurate to
> > anyone now? (also goes up to 30 instead of just 9). It seems to show
> > Seattle's steep streets at the correct grades, perhaps somebody can
> > check out Pittsburgh too?
>
> > Multiple undo is an oft-requested feature that is way overdue, I'm
> > still working on this feature.
>
> > Stay tuned!
>
> > -matt
> > -------------------http://veloroutes.org
>
> Matt,
>
> Thanks for the new features.
> Here's a steep one - max 19% grade
>
> Johnston Drive climbhttp://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=896
>
> -bdbafh
Nice program. Very useful. Thanks.
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Date: 09 May 2007 15:09:51
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On May 7, 4:12 pm, routemappr <velorou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Apr 13, 4:19 pm, oughtfour <lus...@rnospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > routemappr wrote:
> > >http://veloroutes.orgisa site like bikely/routeslip but has other
> > > features like a topo-map, as well as an elevation profile that's drawn
> > > as you click your route. another difference is that no signup is
> > > required, you can just save your route and get a URL to get back to
> > > it.
>
> > > your routes can also be viewed in Google Earth using the KML-output
> > > feature, and GPS-techies can download GPX versions of their routes
> > > that can be uploaded to their devices.
>
> > > the site's not perfect but it's pretty new on the bike-mapping scene,
> > > so stay tuned for new features, etc.
>
> > This is pretty fun. Since you are asking for suggestions, I have two:
> > cumulative altitude gain (how much I've climbed on the ride), and
> > multiple undo.
>
> > Nice job!
>
> I've added the total elevation gain feature, now all routes (old ones
> too) have total gain saved. (see homepage)
>
> I also tweaked the % grade calculation, does it seem more accurate to
> anyone now?
Sometimes, in going over the same piece of road more than once, the
program will give differing grade %. Am I doing something wrong?
>(also goes up to 30 instead of just 9). It seems to show
> Seattle's steep streets at the correct grades, perhaps somebody can
> check out Pittsburgh too?
>
> Multiple undo is an oft-requested feature that is way overdue, I'm
> still working on this feature.
>
> Stay tuned!
>
> -matt
> -------------------http://veloroutes.org-
All in all, an outstanding effort!
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Date: 07 May 2007 17:00:59
From: bdbafh
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On May 7, 5:12 pm, routemappr <velorou...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Apr 13, 4:19 pm, oughtfour <lus...@rnospam.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > routemappr wrote:
> > >http://veloroutes.orgisa site like bikely/routeslip but has other
> > > features like a topo-map, as well as an elevation profile that's drawn
> > > as you click your route. another difference is that no signup is
> > > required, you can just save your route and get a URL to get back to
> > > it.
>
> > > your routes can also be viewed in Google Earth using the KML-output
> > > feature, and GPS-techies can download GPX versions of their routes
> > > that can be uploaded to their devices.
>
> > > the site's not perfect but it's pretty new on the bike-mapping scene,
> > > so stay tuned for new features, etc.
>
> > This is pretty fun. Since you are asking for suggestions, I have two:
> > cumulative altitude gain (how much I've climbed on the ride), and
> > multiple undo.
>
> > Nice job!
>
> I've added the total elevation gain feature, now all routes (old ones
> too) have total gain saved. (see homepage)
>
> I also tweaked the % grade calculation, does it seem more accurate to
> anyone now? (also goes up to 30 instead of just 9). It seems to show
> Seattle's steep streets at the correct grades, perhaps somebody can
> check out Pittsburgh too?
>
> Multiple undo is an oft-requested feature that is way overdue, I'm
> still working on this feature.
>
> Stay tuned!
>
> -matt
> -------------------http://veloroutes.org
Matt,
Thanks for the new features.
Here's a steep one - max 19% grade
Johnston Drive climb
http://veloroutes.org/bikemaps/?route=896
-bdbafh
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Date: 07 May 2007 14:12:34
From: routemappr
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On Apr 13, 4:19 pm, oughtfour <lus...@rnospam.net > wrote:
> routemappr wrote:
> >http://veloroutes.orgis a site like bikely/routeslip but has other
> > features like a topo-map, as well as an elevation profile that's drawn
> > as you click your route. another difference is that no signup is
> > required, you can just save your route and get a URL to get back to
> > it.
>
> > your routes can also be viewed in Google Earth using the KML-output
> > feature, and GPS-techies can download GPX versions of their routes
> > that can be uploaded to their devices.
>
> > the site's not perfect but it's pretty new on the bike-mapping scene,
> > so stay tuned for new features, etc.
>
> This is pretty fun. Since you are asking for suggestions, I have two:
> cumulative altitude gain (how much I've climbed on the ride), and
> multiple undo.
>
> Nice job!
I've added the total elevation gain feature, now all routes (old ones
too) have total gain saved. (see homepage)
I also tweaked the % grade calculation, does it seem more accurate to
anyone now? (also goes up to 30 instead of just 9). It seems to show
Seattle's steep streets at the correct grades, perhaps somebody can
check out Pittsburgh too?
Multiple undo is an oft-requested feature that is way overdue, I'm
still working on this feature.
Stay tuned!
-matt
-------------------
http://veloroutes.org
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Date: 08 May 2007 14:54:19
From: OughtFour
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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"routemappr" <veloroutes@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1178572354.100212.262790@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> I've added the total elevation gain feature, now all routes (old ones
> too) have total gain saved. (see homepage)
Now that's what I call service! Thanks, Matt.
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Date: 22 Apr 2007 14:30:53
From:
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On Apr 16, 10:49 am, "Bob in CT" <ctvigge...@comcast.net > wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:16:34 -0700, routemappr wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, Chris BeHanna <c...@behanna.org> wrote:
> >>> [...give veloroutes.org a try...]
>
> >>> You'll need to fix the inclinometer. It tops out at 9%, and
> >>> plotting
> >>> some local hills around here (Pittsburgh), that's not too useful. :-)
>
> Have you actually measured them? I have a program that shows the
> elevation profile of any road in its database. The steepest hill I've
> been on is about 13.x percent grade, and luckily it's not that long of a
> hill. If you can give me the name of a street, I can tell you what the
> percent gradient is.
They've been measured. They really are that steep:
http://www.wpwbikeclub.org/pgh_hills.html
There's a local race, the Dirty Dozen, that goes up 13 of the
steepest, including the 37% cobblestoned Canton Ave. Canton's just
silly, but the rest are actually a lot of fun. We often work one into
an evening ride - something like Flowers & Tesla (28%, but only
briefly), or even Boustead if you want to try to make people puke (29%
peak and pretty damn sustained, though it's short enough that you can
just stand up and grit your teeth for a few minutes on it). Few of
the crazy steep ones are both steep _and_ long, though.
-Dave
-Dave
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Date: 15 Apr 2007 06:01:22
From: Dr Kickstand
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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Nice job, I found this site useful
Tks
Dr K
www.bikesthatfold.com - Bikes That Fold is a resource for folding
bikes
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Date: 13 Apr 2007 23:19:52
From: oughtfour
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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routemappr wrote:
> http://veloroutes.org is a site like bikely/routeslip but has other
> features like a topo-map, as well as an elevation profile that's drawn
> as you click your route. another difference is that no signup is
> required, you can just save your route and get a URL to get back to
> it.
>
> your routes can also be viewed in Google Earth using the KML-output
> feature, and GPS-techies can download GPX versions of their routes
> that can be uploaded to their devices.
>
> the site's not perfect but it's pretty new on the bike-mapping scene,
> so stay tuned for new features, etc.
>
This is pretty fun. Since you are asking for suggestions, I have two:
cumulative altitude gain (how much I've climbed on the ride), and
multiple undo.
Nice job!
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Date: 13 Apr 2007 11:16:34
From: routemappr
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, Chris BeHanna <c...@behanna.org > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:29:27 -0700, routemappr wrote:
> >http://veloroutes.orgis a site like bikely/routeslip but has other
> > features like a topo-map, as well as an elevation profile that's drawn
> > as you click your route. another difference is that no signup is
> > required, you can just save your route and get a URL to get back to
> > it.
>
> > your routes can also be viewed in Google Earth using the KML-output
> > feature, and GPS-techies can download GPX versions of their routes
> > that can be uploaded to their devices.
>
> > the site's not perfect but it's pretty new on the bike-mapping scene,
> > so stay tuned for new features, etc.
>
> You'll need to fix the inclinometer. It tops out at 9%, and plotting
> some local hills around here (Pittsburgh), that's not too useful. :-)
>
> --
> Chris BeHanna
indeed, the % grade measurement isn't perfect. it's more of an
estimate than an actual value, as there is no data-source for this
info. i top it out at 9% since if it goes past that it'll often jump
to 20% or 30% for hills that are only 12-15%....
nonetheless, i do plan on making it perfect one day, thanks for the
feedback!
-matt
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Date: 15 Apr 2007 00:20:53
From: Chris BeHanna
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:16:34 -0700, routemappr wrote:
> On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, Chris BeHanna <c...@behanna.org> wrote:
>> [...give veloroutes.org a try...]
>>
>> You'll need to fix the inclinometer. It tops out at 9%, and plotting
>> some local hills around here (Pittsburgh), that's not too useful. :-)
>
> indeed, the % grade measurement isn't perfect. it's more of an
> estimate than an actual value, as there is no data-source for this
> info.
You can compute it from the topographical info in google maps/google
earth. Not perfect, but better than nothing.
> i top it out at 9% since if it goes past that it'll often jump
> to 20% or 30% for hills that are only 12-15%....
Hee-hee. we actually have hills that steep 'round these parts.
> nonetheless, i do plan on making it perfect one day, thanks for the
> feedback!
Good luck. Pittsburgh should be an interesting testing ground for you.
--
Chris BeHanna
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Date: 16 Apr 2007 10:49:51
From: Bob in CT
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:20:53 -0400, Chris BeHanna <chris@behanna.org >
wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:16:34 -0700, routemappr wrote:
>
>> On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, Chris BeHanna <c...@behanna.org> wrote:
>>> [...give veloroutes.org a try...]
>>>
>>> You'll need to fix the inclinometer. It tops out at 9%, and
>>> plotting
>>> some local hills around here (Pittsburgh), that's not too useful. :-)
>>
>> indeed, the % grade measurement isn't perfect. it's more of an
>> estimate than an actual value, as there is no data-source for this
>> info.
>
> You can compute it from the topographical info in google maps/google
> earth. Not perfect, but better than nothing.
>
>> i top it out at 9% since if it goes past that it'll often jump
>> to 20% or 30% for hills that are only 12-15%....
>
> Hee-hee. we actually have hills that steep 'round these parts.
>
Have you actually measured them? I have a program that shows the
elevation profile of any road in its database. The steepest hill I've
been on is about 13.x percent grade, and luckily it's not that long of a
hill. If you can give me the name of a street, I can tell you what the
percent gradient is.
--
Bob in CT
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Date: 11 May 2007 19:19:57
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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"Bob in CT" <ctviggen.x@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:op.tqvstdgj3plkkk@esq03.mfh.com...
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:20:53 -0400, Chris BeHanna <chris@behanna.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:16:34 -0700, routemappr wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, Chris BeHanna <c...@behanna.org> wrote:
>>>> [...give veloroutes.org a try...]
>>>>
>>>> You'll need to fix the inclinometer. It tops out at 9%, and plotting
>>>> some local hills around here (Pittsburgh), that's not too useful. :-)
>>> i top it out at 9% since if it goes past that it'll often jump
>>> to 20% or 30% for hills that are only 12-15%....
> The steepest hill I've been on is about 13.x percent grade, and luckily
> it's not that long of a hill. If you can give me the name of a street, I
> can tell you what the percent gradient is.
Some Seattle ones to try:
East Roy Street between 25th Avenue and 26th Avenue (~26%)
East Boston Street between Harvard and Broadway (~24%)
The Queen Anne Counterbalance (Queen Anne Avenue near Galer Street) (18%+)
--
Warm Regards,
Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
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Date: 08 May 2007 11:33:07
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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Bob in CT wrote:
>>> i top it out at 9% since if it goes past that it'll often jump
>>> to 20% or 30% for hills that are only 12-15%....
>>
>> Hee-hee. we actually have hills that steep 'round these parts.
>>
> Have you actually measured them? I have a program that shows the
> elevation profile of any road in its database. The steepest hill I've
> been on is about 13.x percent grade, and luckily it's not that long of a
> hill. If you can give me the name of a street, I can tell you what the
> percent gradient is.
Actually, Pittsburgh is known for some insanely steep hills. There are
also some in Eastern PA and NJ that are brutally steep, well over 15%:
Fiddler's Elbow, Iron Bridge -- both in NJ, Warren County, I think,
rumored to be nearly 20%
The "dark side" of Hawk Mountain, in PA, with a finishing stretch of 17%
--- and that one is long, too.
There are others whose exact name I have forgotten. One short road in
Bala Cynwyd (sp??), a suburb of Philadelphia, starts off fording a
little stream, then heads up so steeply that horizontal grooves have
been cut into the pavement so cars can get enough traction to climb it.
--
David L. Johnson
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines." --Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Date: 09 May 2007 00:55:41
From: Dave H.
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu > wrote in message
news:Q-qdnTpGDryoBd3bnZ2dnUVZ_vmqnZ2d@ptd.net...
> The "dark side" of Hawk Mountain, in PA, with a finishing stretch of
> 17% --- and that one is long, too.
>
Once or twice a year I go up Hawk Mnt, on the "easy side", through Eckville,
and it is a long climb, passing over the Appalachian Trail on the way. There
is a nice small natural history museum up top (free, but fees charged for
side trails to hawk lookouts). Someday I will go down that "dark side"
slope.
The north face of a small foothill nearby, called Donat's Peak, gets me
going up to 47 mph on the winding downhill run. Could probably go faster if
I could keep from touching the brakes. Don't know the numbers, but it must
be fairly steep.
Dave H.
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Date: 19 Apr 2007 00:16:52
From: Pete
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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Bob in CT wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:20:53 -0400, Chris BeHanna <chris@behanna.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:16:34 -0700, routemappr wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 9:45 pm, Chris BeHanna <c...@behanna.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [...give veloroutes.org a try...]
>>>>
>>>> You'll need to fix the inclinometer. It tops out at 9%,
>>>> and plotting
>>>> some local hills around here (Pittsburgh), that's not too useful. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> indeed, the % grade measurement isn't perfect. it's more of an
>>> estimate than an actual value, as there is no data-source for this
>>> info.
>>
>>
>> You can compute it from the topographical info in google maps/google
>> earth. Not perfect, but better than nothing.
>>
>>> i top it out at 9% since if it goes past that it'll often jump
>>> to 20% or 30% for hills that are only 12-15%....
>>
>>
>> Hee-hee. we actually have hills that steep 'round these parts.
>>
> Have you actually measured them? I have a program that shows the
> elevation profile of any road in its database. The steepest hill
> I've been on is about 13.x percent grade, and luckily it's not that
> long of a hill. If you can give me the name of a street, I can tell
> you what the percent gradient is.
>
>
When you have a chance take a look at Falls Rd, NY344 that goes
alongside Bash Bish Brook & Falls.
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Date: 13 Apr 2007 00:45:15
From: Chris BeHanna
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:29:27 -0700, routemappr wrote:
> http://veloroutes.org is a site like bikely/routeslip but has other
> features like a topo-map, as well as an elevation profile that's drawn
> as you click your route. another difference is that no signup is
> required, you can just save your route and get a URL to get back to
> it.
>
> your routes can also be viewed in Google Earth using the KML-output
> feature, and GPS-techies can download GPX versions of their routes
> that can be uploaded to their devices.
>
> the site's not perfect but it's pretty new on the bike-mapping scene,
> so stay tuned for new features, etc.
You'll need to fix the inclinometer. It tops out at 9%, and plotting
some local hills around here (Pittsburgh), that's not too useful. :-)
--
Chris BeHanna
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Date: 12 Apr 2007 16:59:26
From: cycledork
Subject: Re: veloroutes bike-mapping site
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Good stuff. And the googlemaps stuff is easy, easy, easy to use.
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