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Date: 25 Oct 2007 12:39:35
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No epic
stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no Ventoux... am
I missing something?
Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages not-so-hard?
If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed an easier route
with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to dope this year."
Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?
In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that, with
more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more action, a lot
more moves to cover.
Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: 28 Oct 2007 07:12:53
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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On Oct 27, 10:45 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com >
wrote:
>
> OK, I'll bite. How would they make the Tour not challenging enough, or too
> challenging? If this Tour is "challenging enough" and it certainly appears
> to be an easier parcourse than years past, does that mean that every recent
> Tour has been too challenging?
>
> By Henri Desgranges' standards, every post-WWII tour has been for wimps!
>
It's a hard one to answer because as you said, the riders make the
race. If we assume that it still has to be 21 days of racing, then
removing all the mountain and time trial stages would not make it
challenging enough (I also assume you mean physically challenging).
Although you would still get a winner, it could be anyone. Adding in
just one proper mountain top finish and one 50km time trial would
create a selection among the usual GC men, who are meant to be the
strongest guys in the race. Of course it would all be boring as hell
for everyone.
Recent Tours too challenging? No - I think they've all been within the
abilities of a professional rider. Just over 20 years ago, before EPO,
they were riding Tours over 4000km. It's not the course that makes it
hard per se but the speed that they ride it.
> But this all brings up the question of who the Tour is for, and what means.
> Can we have great entertainment without throwing some to the lions? Should
> it be a test of endurance or skill? Tactics or strength? Does it require
> good guys & bad guys to be interesting (intentional conflict to improve
> ratings)?
>
The Tour is important for a lot of people: riders, team staff,
sponsors, fans, the general public, media and ASO. So yes, the
parcours needs to be varied and visit different bits of France to keep
it interesting for everyone. The intense competition between the
riders with the spectacular backdrop of the countryside creates its
own entertainment. That said, it's still hard for me to keep awake
during a 230km flat stage...
This Tour will be challenging enough because it does have five
mountain stages and two time trials. That's not much different to the
norm.
Jeff
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Date: 27 Oct 2007 13:57:00
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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On Oct 27, 2:21 pm, "Caroline" <notr...@askforone.com > wrote:
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>
> > In the end, the riders make the race, not the course.
>
> Don't know where you picked up this weird idea, but if a course isn't
> challenging, the top riders won't waste their time. Trust me!
>
What, they'll all go off and do the Tour of Qinghai Lake instead?
In any case, next year's Tour is challenging enough. The time
trialists might feel a bit shortchanged but not by too much.
Jeff
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Date: 27 Oct 2007 15:45:07
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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>> > In the end, the riders make the race, not the course.
>>
>> Don't know where you picked up this weird idea, but if a course isn't
>> challenging, the top riders won't waste their time. Trust me!
>>
> What, they'll all go off and do the Tour of Qinghai Lake instead?
>
> In any case, next year's Tour is challenging enough. The time
> trialists might feel a bit shortchanged but not by too much.
>
> Jeff
OK, I'll bite. How would they make the Tour not challenging enough, or too
challenging? If this Tour is "challenging enough" and it certainly appears
to be an easier parcourse than years past, does that mean that every recent
Tour has been too challenging?
By Henri Desgranges' standards, every post-WWII tour has been for wimps!
But this all brings up the question of who the Tour is for, and what means.
Can we have great entertainment without throwing some to the lions? Should
it be a test of endurance or skill? Tactics or strength? Does it require
good guys & bad guys to be interesting (intentional conflict to improve
ratings)?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Jeff Jones" <drjones99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1193493420.764006.23450@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 27, 2:21 pm, "Caroline" <notr...@askforone.com> wrote:
>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> > In the end, the riders make the race, not the course.
>>
>> Don't know where you picked up this weird idea, but if a course isn't
>> challenging, the top riders won't waste their time. Trust me!
>>
> What, they'll all go off and do the Tour of Qinghai Lake instead?
>
> In any case, next year's Tour is challenging enough. The time
> trialists might feel a bit shortchanged but not by too much.
>
> Jeff
>
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Date: 27 Oct 2007 14:51:14
From: Caroline
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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"Jeff Jones" <drjones99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1193493420.764006.23450@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 27, 2:21 pm, "Caroline" <notr...@askforone.com> wrote:
>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> > In the end, the riders make the race, not the course.
>>
>> Don't know where you picked up this weird idea, but if a course isn't
>> challenging, the top riders won't waste their time. Trust me!
>>
> What, they'll all go off and do the Tour of Qinghai Lake instead?
>
> In any case, next year's Tour is challenging enough. The time
> trialists might feel a bit shortchanged but not by too much.
>
> Jeff
Who knows? They might. China is the next venue for the Olympics. '-)
Caroline
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Date: 27 Oct 2007 17:44:16
From:
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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* "Caroline" <notreal@askforone.com > a écrit profondement:
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Date: 27 Oct 2007 13:21:52
From: Caroline
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
news:1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>
> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course.
Don't know where you picked up this weird idea, but if a course isn't
challenging, the top riders won't waste their time. Trust me!
Caroline
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 20:32:40
From:
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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On Oct 26, 12:22 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> There are 4 mountain top finishes though which should help separate
> the mules from the race horses.
The mules would be the ones who didn't take the dope out of the
condoms before swallowing?
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 05:11:51
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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On Oct 26, 3:41 am, rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 26, 1:16 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
>
> > And he stole it fair and square.
>
> Even the guilty can steal a race.
And be framed, too.
Of course, you don't have to be guilty to be framed.
You might not even have to be really positive twice. --D-y
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 08:41:15
From:
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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On Oct 26, 1:16 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> And he stole it fair and square.
Even the guilty can steal a race.
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 10:56:04
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>> And he stole it fair and square.
rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> Even the guilty can steal a race.
Lets resurrect Lafferty so we can discuss this concept in detail.
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 22:40:06
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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In article
<4721abc0$0$2901$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> >> And he stole it fair and square.
>
> rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> > Even the guilty can steal a race.
>
> Lets resurrect Lafferty so we can discuss this concept in detail.
Unlikely. Volunteers to troll rec.games.chess.politics?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 08:16:52
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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On Oct 25, 9:22 pm, Davey Crockett <r...@azurservers.com > wrote:
> * "xzzy" <mrbikej...@comcast.net> a =E9crit profondement:
>
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 09:22:03
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that, with
> more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more action, a lot
> more moves to cover.
>
> Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
There are 4 mountain top finishes though which should help separate
the mules from the race horses.
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Date: 25 Oct 2007 22:32:31
From: billyroll
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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On Oct 25, 3:30 pm, "xzzy" <mrbikej...@comcast.net > wrote:
> "Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
> won their race 8 years in a row.
>
Or he's possibly upset that since they've won it, it's been:
multiple Americans*
an Italian*
multiple Spaniards**,***
a German*
a Dane*
an Irishman***
*suspected of doping
**at least one won by default
***just as "dope-free" as the Frenchman that won before him
-B
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Date: 25 Oct 2007 22:36:50
From:
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > a écrit dans le message de
news: 1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No epic
>stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no Ventoux...
>am I missing something?
>
> Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
> not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed an
> easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to dope
> this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?
>
> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that, with
> more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more action, a lot
> more moves to cover.
>
> Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
I doubt you know what you are talking about
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Date: 25 Oct 2007 13:47:02
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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> I doubt you know what you are talking about
What sort of credentials are you looking for?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
<Montesquiou > wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news: 1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No epic
>>stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no Ventoux...
>>am I missing something?
>>
>> Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
>> not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed an
>> easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to dope
>> this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?
>>
>> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that, with
>> more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more action, a
>> lot more moves to cover.
>>
>> Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>>
>
> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>
>
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 00:53:10
From:
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > a écrit dans le message de
news: dh7Ui.2426$Bk.770@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>
> What sort of credentials are you looking for?
Do you think I expect some kind of "credential" after your stupid comment ?
"OK, we've designed an easier route with more chances to recover, so you
guys don't need to dope this year."
???
Dear friend : If you have some kind of Marion Jones credential, if you are
pround in supporting cheaters so ....you are a xenophobic loser.
Have a nice day
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 00:48:07
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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<Montesquiou > wrote in message
news:47211e52$0$27408$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news: dh7Ui.2426$Bk.770@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>>
>> What sort of credentials are you looking for?
>
> Do you think I expect some kind of "credential" after your stupid comment
> ? "OK, we've designed an easier route with more chances to recover, so
> you guys don't need to dope this year."
>
> ???
>
> Dear friend : If you have some kind of Marion Jones credential, if you are
> pround in supporting cheaters so ....you are a xenophobic loser.
>
> Have a nice day
You are apparently much better at *appearing* fluent in English than is
actually the case. I don't think anybody else got the impression that I was
in favor of cheating.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
<Montesquiou > wrote in message
news:47211e52$0$27408$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news: dh7Ui.2426$Bk.770@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>>
>> What sort of credentials are you looking for?
>
> Do you think I expect some kind of "credential" after your stupid comment
> ? "OK, we've designed an easier route with more chances to recover, so
> you guys don't need to dope this year."
>
> ???
>
> Dear friend : If you have some kind of Marion Jones credential, if you are
> pround in supporting cheaters so ....you are a xenophobic loser.
>
> Have a nice day
>
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Date: 25 Oct 2007 16:30:53
From: xzzy
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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"Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
won their race 8 years in a row.
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in message
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>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>
> What sort of credentials are you looking for?
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
>
> <Montesquiou> wrote in message
> news:4720fe5f$0$27393$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>>
>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> a écrit dans le message de
>> news: 1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No
>>>epic stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no
>>>Ventoux... am I missing something?
>>>
>>> Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
>>> not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed an
>>> easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to
>>> dope this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?
>>>
>>> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that,
>>> with more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more
>>> action, a lot more moves to cover.
>>>
>>> Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
>>>
>>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>> www.ChainReaction.com
>>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>>>
>>
>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 21:37:50
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"xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net > a écrit dans le message de news:
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> "Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
> won their race 8 years in a row.
Wow ! I am lost !
I did my best for you to believe I was american !
How inteligent you are. Amazing.
BTW : If you want to know were some one comes from : first ask him.
(Pourquoi faire simple quand on peut faire compliqué ?)
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> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> news:dh7Ui.2426$Bk.770@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>>
>> What sort of credentials are you looking for?
>>
>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>>
>>
>> <Montesquiou> wrote in message
>> news:4720fe5f$0$27393$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>>>
>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> a écrit dans le message de
>>> news: 1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No
>>>>epic stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no
>>>>Ventoux... am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
>>>> not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed
>>>> an easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to
>>>> dope this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?
>>>>
>>>> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that,
>>>> with more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more
>>>> action, a lot more moves to cover.
>>>>
>>>> Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
>>>>
>>>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>>>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>>> www.ChainReaction.com
>>>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 17:08:19
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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<Montesquiou > wrote in message
news:4722420a$0$25923$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
> "xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
> cuGdnfKYvc2ChLzanZ2dnUVZ_tSknZ2d@comcast.com...
>> "Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
>> won their race 8 years in a row.
>
> Wow ! I am lost !
> I did my best for you to believe I was american !
> How inteligent you are. Amazing.
>
> BTW : If you want to know were some one comes from : first ask him.
> (Pourquoi faire simple quand on peut faire compliqué ?)
Monte, here's a clue for you - when you don't understand what people mean
you should ask them first and not react negatively. Do you suppose that
people are attacking you because you're French or because you're reacting
all wrong to what was said?
Mike is one of the nice people and a humorous jab meant in fun was hardly
the thing that should have set you off.
Since you've posted much better in the past I wonder if something is
bothering you indirectly?
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 06:22:14
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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* "xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net > a écrit profondement:
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Date: 26 Oct 2007 01:13:38
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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> "Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
> won their race 8 years in a row.
He also may not have been amused at the subject line. I was, in fact, hoping
to get some comments from our few resident RBRs that actually live in
France. I probably could have done so in a less-offensive manner.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> "Montesquiou" is french and the french are upset that an American cyclist
> won their race 8 years in a row.
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> From: <Montesquiou>
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> Subject: Re: A TdF route a Frenchman could win?
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> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote in message
> news:dh7Ui.2426$Bk.770@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>>
>> What sort of credentials are you looking for?
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>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReaction.com
>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>>
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>> <Montesquiou> wrote in message
>> news:4720fe5f$0$27393$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>>>
>>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> a écrit dans le message de
>>> news: 1i6Ui.2415$Bk.874@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>I dunno... looking at the '08 TdF route, looks rather dumbed down. No
>>>>epic stages with 4 or 5 climbs, the initial ITT is rather short, no
>>>>Ventoux... am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> Or is this an attempt to eliminate doping by making the stages
>>>> not-so-hard? If so, why not just come out and say "OK, we've designed
>>>> an easier route with more chances to recover, so you guys don't need to
>>>> dope this year." Yeah, I guess that wouldn't sound so good, would it?
>>>>
>>>> In the end, the riders make the race, not the course. Could be that,
>>>> with more people feeling they've got a shot, we'll see a lot more
>>>> action, a lot more moves to cover.
>>>>
>>>> Or could be the most defensively-ridden race we've seen in years.
>>>>
>>>> --Mike Jacoubowsky
>>>> Chain Reaction Bicycles
>>>> www.ChainReaction.com
>>>> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt you know what you are talking about
>>>
>>>
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