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Date: 05 Jun 2007 03:52:03
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: A =?iso-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif -- Le vent à Dos Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 00:18:31
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif Looks like a train wreck. Those morons are going to be taking flack for 5 years unless they come to their senses. -- Michael Press
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 11:35:54
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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* Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > a écrit > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > wrote: > >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif > > Looks like a train wreck. Those morons are going to be > taking flack for 5 years unless they come to their > senses. > > -- You sure got that right And I'm presuming that many RBR readers are "Young" and even if not, I ran it by my younger daughter - who's in her Late 30's - and youngish - and she feels it is, euphemistically, "Not Really Appropriate" -- Le vent à Dos Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 10:59:43
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: A =?ISO-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3_Crock_of_Shit?=
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Davey Crockett wrote: > http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif Well they have to try and divert our minds from the fact that they are destroying the Eastway Road Racing Circuit & MTB course.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:01:19
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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* Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > a écrit > Davey Crockett wrote: >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif > Well they have to try and divert our minds from the fact that they are > destroying the Eastway Road Racing Circuit & MTB course. I wasn't aware that they were using any property that was currently in use for bike racing But just think that to go along with the bi££ion$ that the poor Working Class taxpayers will have to cough up to cover the (virtually guaranteed) deficit, you'll have a nice new Velodrome and, with a bit of luck, maybe a Crit Course around the Isle of Dogz ;) After all, the _Real_ East Enders got Shafted, so why not the rest of you lot? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4910936896288149667&q=bnptv&pl=true -- Le vent à Dos Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:33:16
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: A =?ISO-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3_Crock_of_Shit?=
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Davey Crockett wrote: > * Dan Gregory <dangregory@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk> a écrit >> Davey Crockett wrote: >>> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif >> Well they have to try and divert our minds from the fact that they are >> destroying the Eastway Road Racing Circuit & MTB course. http://www.londoncyclesport.com/news/article/mps/UAN/2174/V/3/SP/ and yesterday there was another "cosultative" meeting
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 03:54:12
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that logo? That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick designs). -- Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/ "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 11:08:46
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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Ryan Cousineau wrote: > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst > font http://lmnop.blogs.com/lauren/2006/10/americas_most_f.html
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 09:39:13
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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* Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > a écrit > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote: > >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif > > You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ > > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm > > I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the > "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. > > So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that > logo? > > That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash > 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" > here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick > designs). > Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't seem to hold true here. 400,000£ for that? If it was me I'd sure as hell be clamouring for my money back I'm pretty sure that they could have come up with a much better design if they had offered a couple of Hundred Quid prize to the school-kid who came up with the best design as judged by the public at large But that, of course, wouldn't be Cricket, because how much could you expect a school-kid to kick back out of his 200£ windfall? On the other hand, there's plenty of leeway where you charged 400,000£ for something a junior employee bashed off in five minutes just before quitting time on a Friday Night -- Le vent à Dos Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply] http://azurservers.com
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 00:22:23
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <87vee2kfz2.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > * Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> a écrit > > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, > > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote: > > > >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif > > > > You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ > > > > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed > > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst > > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm > > > > I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the > > "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. > > > > So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that > > logo? > > > > That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash > > 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" > > here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick > > designs). > > > > Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't > seem to hold true here. Not at all what shibboleth means. -- Michael Press
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 11:58:26
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:23 GMT, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote: >In article <87vee2kfz2.fsf@azurservers.com>, > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > wrote: > >> * Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> a écrit >> > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, >> > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote: >> > >> >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif >> > >> > You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! >> > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ >> > >> > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed >> > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst >> > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... >> > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm >> > >> > I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the >> > "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. >> > >> > So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that >> > logo? >> > >> > That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash >> > 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" >> > here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick >> > designs). >> > >> >> Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't >> seem to hold true here. > >Not at all what shibboleth means. Isn't a shibboleth a big whacking stick for whacking people with?
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 16:31:37
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <rbmd63p17cipevemi4ppr9nmsbrtrsaoae@4ax.com >, RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:23 GMT, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote: > > >In article <87vee2kfz2.fsf@azurservers.com>, > > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > > wrote: > > > >> * Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> a écrit > >> > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, > >> > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif > >> > > >> > You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! > >> > > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ > >> > > >> > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed > >> > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst > >> > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... > >> > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm > >> > > >> > I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the > >> > "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. > >> > > >> > So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that > >> > logo? > >> > > >> > That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash > >> > 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" > >> > here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick > >> > designs). > >> > > >> > >> Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't > >> seem to hold true here. > > > >Not at all what shibboleth means. > > Isn't a shibboleth a big whacking stick for whacking people with? Here, have another pint. -- Michael Press
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 18:40:26
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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RonSonic wrote: >> Isn't a shibboleth a big whacking stick for whacking people with? Michael Press wrote: > Here, have another pint. Dumbash, A shibboleth ish the LIVEDRUNK unit for meashuring alcohol intake. PS: Try saying shibboleth fast 3 times after 3 Flandis special Jack Daniels bidons.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 05:13:49
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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* Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > a écrit > In article <87vee2kfz2.fsf@azurservers.com>, > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > wrote: > >> * Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> a écrit >> > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, >> > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote: >> > >> >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif >> > >> > You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! >> > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ >> > >> > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed >> > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst >> > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... >> > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm >> > >> > I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the >> > "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. >> > >> > So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that >> > logo? >> > >> > That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash >> > 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" >> > here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick >> > designs). >> > >> >> Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't >> seem to hold true here. > > Not at all what shibboleth means. > As used here it is perfectly legitimate as it means words or a phrase adopted by a group of people to mean a certain thing. "You get what you pay for" is an old saying, and ergo a& shibboleth. Shibboleth has numerous meanings depending who uses it and where they use is -- Le vent à Dos Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 05:21:05
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <87abvdixle.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit > > In article <87vee2kfz2.fsf@azurservers.com>, > > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > > wrote: > > > >> * Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> a écrit > >> > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, > >> > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif > >> > > >> > You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! > >> > > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ > >> > > >> > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed > >> > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst > >> > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... > >> > > >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm > >> > > >> > I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the > >> > "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. > >> > > >> > So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that > >> > logo? > >> > > >> > That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash > >> > 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" > >> > here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick > >> > designs). > >> > > >> > >> Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't > >> seem to hold true here. > > > > Not at all what shibboleth means. > > > > As used here it is perfectly legitimate as it means words or a phrase > adopted by a group of people to mean a certain thing. > > "You get what you pay for" is an old saying, and ergo a& shibboleth. > > Shibboleth has numerous meanings depending who uses it and where they > use is No, shibboleth does not mean proverb, maxim, adage, aphorism, epigram, saying, or saw. It does mean 1. A word which was made the criterion by which to distinguish the Ephraimites from the Gileadites. The Ephraimites, not being able to pronounce sh, called the word sibboleth. See Judges xii. Without reprieve, adjudged to death, For want of well pronouncing shibboleth. --Milton. Also in an extended sense. The th, with its twofold value, is ... the shibboleth of foreigners. -- Earle. 2. Hence, the criterion, test, or watchword of a party; a party cry or pet phrase. Judges 12:5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay; Judges 12:6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand. -- Michael Press
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 10:02:54
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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* Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > a écrit > In article <87abvdixle.fsf@azurservers.com>, > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > wrote: > >> * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit >> > In article <87vee2kfz2.fsf@azurservers.com>, >> > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> * Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> a écrit >> >> > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, >> >> > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif >> >> > >> >> > You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! >> >> > >> >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ >> >> > >> >> > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed >> >> > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst >> >> > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... >> >> > >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm >> >> > >> >> > I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the >> >> > "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. >> >> > >> >> > So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that >> >> > logo? >> >> > >> >> > That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash >> >> > 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" >> >> > here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick >> >> > designs). >> >> > >> >> >> >> Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't >> >> seem to hold true here. >> > >> > Not at all what shibboleth means. >> > >> >> As used here it is perfectly legitimate as it means words or a phrase >> adopted by a group of people to mean a certain thing. >> >> "You get what you pay for" is an old saying, and ergo a& shibboleth. >> >> Shibboleth has numerous meanings depending who uses it and where they >> use is > > No, shibboleth does not mean proverb, maxim, > adage, aphorism, epigram, saying, or saw. > > It does mean > 1. A word which was made the criterion by which to > distinguish the Ephraimites from the Gileadites. The > Ephraimites, not being able to pronounce sh, called the > word sibboleth. See Judges xii. > > Without reprieve, adjudged to death, For want of well > pronouncing shibboleth. > --Milton. > > Also in an extended sense. > > The th, with its twofold value, is ... the shibboleth of foreigners. > -- Earle. > > 2. Hence, the criterion, test, or watchword of a party; > a party cry or pet phrase. > > Judges 12:5 > And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the > Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which > were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said > unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay; > > Judges 12:6 > Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said > Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then > they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and > there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two > thousand. Today, in the English language, a shibboleth has also a wider meaning, referring to any "in-crowd" word or phrase that can be used to distinguish members of a group from outsiders - even when not used by a hostile other group. The word is also sometimes used in a broader sense to mean specialized jargon, the proper use of which identifies speakers as members of a particular group or subculture. For example, people who regularly use words like "grok" and "filk" in conversation are likely members of science fiction fandom. Shibboleths can also be customs or practices, such as male circumcision. -- Le vent à Dos Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:41:49
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <87ira1eci9.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit > > In article <87abvdixle.fsf@azurservers.com>, > > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > > wrote: > > > >> * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit > >> > In article <87vee2kfz2.fsf@azurservers.com>, > >> > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> * Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> a écrit > >> >> > In article <87zm3fjhh8.fsf@azurservers.com>, > >> >> > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif > >> >> > > >> >> > You know, I think that is actually worse than the Vancouver 2010 logo! > >> >> > > >> >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/fboosman/10669846/ > >> >> > > >> >> > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed > >> >> > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst > >> >> > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... > >> >> > > >> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm > >> >> > > >> >> > I checked the article. Doesn't appear to be. Organizers are blaming the > >> >> > "Internet Generation." Never have so many done so badly by us so soon. > >> >> > > >> >> > So, which GBR athletes will be utterly embarrassed to be seen near that > >> >> > logo? > >> >> > > >> >> > That logo is high-fashion ugly. It's like some sort of piece of trash > >> >> > 1980s graphic design floatsam (I'm thinking of the movie "North Shore" > >> >> > here, specifically the first and second versions of the logo Rick > >> >> > designs). > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't > >> >> seem to hold true here. > >> > > >> > Not at all what shibboleth means. > >> > > >> > >> As used here it is perfectly legitimate as it means words or a phrase > >> adopted by a group of people to mean a certain thing. > >> > >> "You get what you pay for" is an old saying, and ergo a& shibboleth. > >> > >> Shibboleth has numerous meanings depending who uses it and where they > >> use is > > > > No, shibboleth does not mean proverb, maxim, > > adage, aphorism, epigram, saying, or saw. > > > > It does mean > > 1. A word which was made the criterion by which to > > distinguish the Ephraimites from the Gileadites. The > > Ephraimites, not being able to pronounce sh, called the > > word sibboleth. See Judges xii. > > > > Without reprieve, adjudged to death, For want of well > > pronouncing shibboleth. > > --Milton. > > > > Also in an extended sense. > > > > The th, with its twofold value, is ... the shibboleth of foreigners. > > -- Earle. > > > > 2. Hence, the criterion, test, or watchword of a party; > > a party cry or pet phrase. > > > > Judges 12:5 > > And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the > > Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which > > were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said > > unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay; > > > > Judges 12:6 > > Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said > > Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then > > they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and > > there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two > > thousand. > > > Today, in the English language, a shibboleth has also a wider meaning, > referring to any "in-crowd" word or phrase that can be used to > distinguish members of a group from outsiders - even when not used by > a hostile other group. The word is also sometimes used in a broader > sense to mean specialized jargon, the proper use of which identifies > speakers as members of a particular group or subculture. For example, > people who regularly use words like "grok" and "filk" in conversation > are likely members of science fiction fandom. Shibboleths can also be > customs or practices, such as male circumcision. I knew all along what it means, so explaining it to me is misdirection; or in plain words, lying. You misused it, I said so, you demurred, I published the actual meaning. -- Michael Press
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 19:06:16
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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* Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > a écrit > I knew all along what it means, so explaining it to me > is misdirection; or in plain words, lying. You misused > it, I said so, you demurred, I published the actual meaning. > Liar yourself you asshole 3 A word or phrase identified with a particular group or cause; a catchword." Now Fuck Off Plonk -- Le vent à Dos Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:48:45
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <87lkex9fnb.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit > > > I knew all along what it means, so explaining it to me > > is misdirection; or in plain words, lying. You misused > > it, I said so, you demurred, I published the actual meaning. > > > > Liar yourself you asshole > > 3 A word or phrase identified with a particular group or cause; a catchword." > > Now Fuck Off > > Plonk Was it something I said? -- Michael Press
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 00:27:38
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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* Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > a écrit > In article <87lkex9fnb.fsf@azurservers.com>, > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > wrote: > >> * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit >> >> > I knew all along what it means, so explaining it to me >> > is misdirection; or in plain words, lying. You misused >> > it, I said so, you demurred, I published the actual meaning. >> > >> >> Liar yourself you asshole >> >> 3 A word or phrase identified with a particular group or cause; a catchword." >> >> Now Fuck Off >> >> Plonk > > Was it something I said? > You sir are about the stupidest piece of shit that ever walked shoe leather You Lie in the face of numerous Dictionaries and Thesauri all of which would confirm that my useage of the word "shibboleth" was correct in the context in which I used it http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=shibboleth&x=42&y=6 Now it is easy to be wrong, especially when bashing off a fast post to some newsgroup which, whilst it is of great interest to the most, if not all, of the subscribers, is of little or no import to the world at large. And I always own up to having been wrong when such is the case and usually ignore casual insults aired in this newsgroup, passing them off as the price of entertainment or, occasionally, enlightenment. However, you chose to push the matter in such an abrasive and insulting manner, spouting religious mumbo-jumbo that some Witch Doctor had crammed into your stupid head with that I felt I could not let it go. Next time perhaps you should not air your abyssmal stupidity in front of the whole usenet. Concluding, it is my firm belief that when they circumcised you, they threw the wrong bit away -- Le vent à Dos Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 12:33:16
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:27:38 +0200, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > >* Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit >> In article <87lkex9fnb.fsf@azurservers.com>, >> Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> >> wrote: >> >>> * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit >>> >>> > I knew all along what it means, so explaining it to me >>> > is misdirection; or in plain words, lying. You misused >>> > it, I said so, you demurred, I published the actual meaning. >>> > >>> >>> Liar yourself you asshole >>> >>> 3 A word or phrase identified with a particular group or cause; a catchword." >>> >>> Now Fuck Off >>> >>> Plonk >> >> Was it something I said? >> > >You sir are about the stupidest piece of shit that ever walked shoe >leather A Polish coworker told me they have a word for "dumber than the leather on a shoe that steps in shit." >You Lie in the face of numerous Dictionaries and Thesauri all of which >would confirm that my useage of the word "shibboleth" was correct in >the context in which I used it > >http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=shibboleth&x=42&y=6 > >Now it is easy to be wrong, especially when bashing off a fast post to >some newsgroup which, whilst it is of great interest to the >most, if not all, of the subscribers, is of little or no import to the >world at large. > >And I always own up to having been wrong when such is the case and >usually ignore casual insults aired in this newsgroup, passing them >off as the price of entertainment or, occasionally, enlightenment. > >However, you chose to push the matter in such an abrasive and >insulting manner, spouting religious mumbo-jumbo that some Witch >Doctor had crammed into your stupid head with that I felt I could >not let it go. > >Next time perhaps you should not air your abyssmal stupidity in front >of the whole usenet. > >Concluding, it is my firm belief that when they circumcised you, they >threw the wrong bit away
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 04:10:36
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <874plkk9b9.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit > > In article <87lkex9fnb.fsf@azurservers.com>, > > Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> > > wrote: > > > >> * Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> a écrit > >> > >> > I knew all along what it means, so explaining it to me > >> > is misdirection; or in plain words, lying. You misused > >> > it, I said so, you demurred, I published the actual meaning. > >> > > >> > >> Liar yourself you asshole > >> > >> 3 A word or phrase identified with a particular group or cause; a catchword." > >> > >> Now Fuck Off > >> > >> Plonk > > > > Was it something I said? > > > > You sir are about the stupidest piece of shit that ever walked shoe > leather > > You Lie in the face of numerous Dictionaries and Thesauri all of which > would confirm that my useage of the word "shibboleth" was correct in > the context in which I used it > > http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=shibboleth&x=42&y=6 > > Now it is easy to be wrong, especially when bashing off a fast post to > some newsgroup which, whilst it is of great interest to the > most, if not all, of the subscribers, is of little or no import to the > world at large. > > And I always own up to having been wrong when such is the case and > usually ignore casual insults aired in this newsgroup, passing them > off as the price of entertainment or, occasionally, enlightenment. > > However, you chose to push the matter in such an abrasive and > insulting manner, spouting religious mumbo-jumbo that some Witch > Doctor had crammed into your stupid head with that I felt I could > not let it go. > > Next time perhaps you should not air your abyssmal stupidity in front > of the whole usenet. > > Concluding, it is my firm belief that when they circumcised you, they > threw the wrong bit away In article <87abvdixle.fsf@azurservers.com >, Davey Crockett <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote: > As used here it is perfectly legitimate as it means words or a phrase > adopted by a group of people to mean a certain thing. > > "You get what you pay for" is an old saying, and ergo a& shibboleth. > > Shibboleth has numerous meanings depending who uses it and where they > use is That is completely wrong. Shibboleth does not mean saying, or aphorhorism, or saw, or maxim, or epigram, or adage, or proverb. There are plenty of words for aphorism and only one word for shibboleth. Do not destroy the distinction. You lectured me on the meaning after I brought up the matter. The tail wags the dog. -- Michael Press
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 09:49:07
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A =?iso-8859-1?q?400=2C000=A3?= Crock of Shit
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Michael Press wrote: > 1. A word which was made the criterion by which to > distinguish the Ephraimites from the Gileadites. The > Ephraimites, not being able to pronounce sh, called the > word sibboleth. See Judges xii. So the Ephraimites programmed their NNTP bots in Prolog, rather than Lisp.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:12:33
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <46666726$0$8212$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >, Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote: > Michael Press wrote: > > 1. A word which was made the criterion by which to > > distinguish the Ephraimites from the Gileadites. The > > Ephraimites, not being able to pronounce sh, called the > > word sibboleth. See Judges xii. > > So the Ephraimites programmed their NNTP bots in Prolog, rather than Lisp. Forty and two-thousand is eight shy of two to the eleventh. -- Michael Press
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 06:45:23
From: Bob Martin
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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in 544723 20070606 062105 Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote: >No, shibboleth does not mean proverb, maxim, >adage, aphorism, epigram, saying, or saw. > >It does mean >1. A word which was made the criterion by which to >distinguish the Ephraimites from the Gileadites. The >Ephraimites, not being able to pronounce sh, called the >word sibboleth. See Judges xii. Watch the second series of "The West Wing" : http://westwing.bewarne.com/second/30shibboleth.html
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:10:58
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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In article <7Ks9i.18833$F_4.15817@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net >, Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com > wrote: > in 544723 20070606 062105 Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote: > > >No, shibboleth does not mean proverb, maxim, > >adage, aphorism, epigram, saying, or saw. > > > >It does mean > >1. A word which was made the criterion by which to > >distinguish the Ephraimites from the Gileadites. The > >Ephraimites, not being able to pronounce sh, called the > >word sibboleth. See Judges xii. > > Watch the second series of "The West Wing" : > > http://westwing.bewarne.com/second/30shibboleth.html I read it, but I do not understand it. Never watched "The West Wing." -- Michael Press
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 19:24:34
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: A =?ISO-8859-1?Q?400=2C000=A3_Crock_of_Shit?=
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Davey Crockett wrote: > > Well the old Shibboleth, "You Get What You Pay For" certainly doesn't > seem to hold true here. > > 400,000£ for that? > > If it was me I'd sure as hell be clamouring for my money back > > I'm pretty sure that they could have come up with a much better design > if they had offered a couple of Hundred Quid prize to the school-kid > who came up with the best design as judged by the public at large > I think they did, and that's how they got the goatse logo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W_gInR3gXs
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 09:23:41
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: A 400,000£ Crock of Shit
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:54:12 GMT, Ryan Cousineau wrote: >> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/43005000/gif/_43005619_london_new_pink_203.gif > > Dare I ask what the significance of those particular shapes is supposed > to be? I mean, I get that it spells out "2012" in the world's worst > font, but I hope there's some sort of meta-significance... As suggested elsewhere, it's a blowjob from Lisa Simpson. (Also, the home countries.) -- E. Dronkert
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