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Date: 03 Sep 2007 17:25:28
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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The guy's not inexperienced, he's been a road pro for six
years now, riding for Mercury, Saturn, Fassa Bortolo, and
Discovery.
He's not a young guy. He's 29, he should be at his peak
right now.
He's spent the last four seasons riding for teams (Fassa
Bortolo and Discovery) with entries in the Tour and not
once has he been put on the start list. Whatever anyone
may think of Bruyneel, he knows a thing or two about
doing well in the Tour.
Come on now, admit it. His palmares are pretty light.
Come on now, admit it. He's not very good at riding his
bike.
Come on now, admit it. He doesn't win very often.
My question is this. How long is it going to take for
you guys to accept that his role is to dominate the minor
leagues of the domestic US road circuit? Like Gord Fraser,
who didn't win anything for years and then came to the US
and won everything in sight.
Just curious,
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 18:38:08
From:
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 6, 8:13 am, Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Just to be clear, I am not dumping on Danielson. I think he has
> done the best he could with what he's got. I have no reason to
> believe otherwise.
>
> I am dumping on tifosi like yourself, people that talk nonsense
> based on non-existent results. People that are ready to put him
> into the hall of fame because of good performances in citizen
> races and other races that the real racers don't show up to. For
> whatever reason, TD has a lot of fans that are out of touch with
> reality. And I'm grateful for that, you guys are good entertainment.
>
> Bob Schwartz
Dumbass,
Stop being a retard. TD has a long way to go to match the achievements
of Hampsten, probably never will, but he's already proved that he's
one of the fastest ever American climbers.
Robert
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 22:39:27
From:
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 5, 7:22 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> r15...@aol.com wrote:
> > I know what Hampster did but I don't see him throwing down a 1:42 on
> > Evans, guess we'll never know. TD will be at his best in 4 years or
> > so, and had form to win stages this year. Guess we'll never know that
> > either.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> One of my points was that Danielson has time on his hands
> in July to do citizen races like Evans. That's not
> consistent with being one of the best American climbers
> ever, and not something that Hampsten had available to
> him.
>
> Bob Schwartz
dumbass, give him a break, he's had giardia. The fact that TD has been
out of some tours might mean his effective career will last a bit
longer than most racers.
Anyway, Hampster did race Evans, and he didn't post no 1:43.
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 14:13:08
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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r15757@aol.com wrote:
> dumbass, give him a break, he's had giardia. The fact that TD has been
> out of some tours might mean his effective career will last a bit
> longer than most racers.
Just to be clear, I am not dumping on Danielson. I think he has
done the best he could with what he's got. I have no reason to
believe otherwise.
I am dumping on tifosi like yourself, people that talk nonsense
based on non-existent results. People that are ready to put him
into the hall of fame because of good performances in citizen
races and other races that the real racers don't show up to. For
whatever reason, TD has a lot of fans that are out of touch with
reality. And I'm grateful for that, you guys are good entertainment.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 16:41:46
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> And I'm grateful for that, you guys are good entertainment.
You need to get laid more often.
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 15:03:13
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> And I'm grateful for that, you guys are good entertainment.
>
> You need to get laid more often.
>
Words we can all live by.
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 20:43:52
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
>> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>>> And I'm grateful for that, you guys are good entertainment.
>>
>> You need to get laid more often.
>>
>
> Words we can all live by.
You guys don't tap a foot while you read news, do you?
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 17:47:26
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 5, 7:57 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> > On 09/04/2007 10:28 AM, in article
> > eJfDi.23900$eY.9...@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net, "Bob Schwartz"
> > <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> >>> I used to think like you ... But after reading about his giardia problems,
> >>> which have plagued him for the past 2-3 years, I'm inclined to cut him a
> >>> little slack.
>
> >>> If he's managed two top-10 finishes at the Vuelta, while harboring this bug,
> >>> imagine what he might have been able to do had he been 100% ... this year's
> >>> Vuelta would likely have been that chance to show what he can really do when
> >>> he's healthy; unfortunately, now we'll have to wait and see what Slipstream
> >>> has in mind.
> >> The giardia was this past spring. And he has my sympathy for that.
> >> The cure has been described as every bit as nasty as the illness.
>
> >> He's apparently also had some Asian bug since 2003, whose impact
> >> was subtle enough that he didn't know it was there.
>
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug03news2
>
> > "I was scared. I was scared for my health. I was scared for my career," he
> > said in an interview with Colorado's Durango Herald. "I didn't know what was
> > going on."
>
> > Danielson had been having stomach problems since 2004, and even repeated
> > visits to various emergency rooms were unable to pinpoint the problem. "It
> > was really frustrating, to be sick and not be able to train. I mean, I got
> > so sick that I thought I was going to die or something. The symptoms for
> > what I had ranged from a parasite or something like this all the way to
> > cancer."
>
> > [snip]
>
> > The ultimate diagnosis was Giardia, an intestinal illness caused by a
> > microscopic parasite. According to the US Food and Drug Administration,
>
> > *** "Normally illness lasts for one to two weeks, but THERE ARE CASES OF
> > CHRONIC INFECTIONS LASTING MONTHS TO YEARS." ***
>
> > The latter seems to apply to Danielson. He apparently picked the bug up when
> > he won the Tour of Langkawi in Malaysia in 2003. "From when I did Malaysia
> > back in '03, from then on we've kind of had this documented history of these
> > weird symptoms," he said.
>
> That differs markedly fromhttp://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13186.0.html
>
> "Doctors in Colorado deciphered that Danielson was whacked by
> a parasitic double whammy and was actually suffering from two
> intestinal bugs at once.
>
> The first was a relatively easy-to-detect case of Giardia, a
> microscopic protozoan parasite which infected his gastrointestinal
> system that Danielson suspects he picked up riding on manure-
> laden roads this spring in Spain's Catalunya.
>
> The other was a still-unknown parasite that doctors guess entered
> Danielson's system while he won the Tour of Malaysia back in 2003.
>
> Were it not for the severe diarrhea that plagued him this spring,
> however, doctors might not have ever found the Asian parasite."
I guess giardia is ruled out as performance enhancing unless one
enters a pooping contest.
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 01:37:02
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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In article <1189039646.826061.179110@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
SLAVE of THE STATE <gwhite@ti.com > wrote:
> > "Doctors in Colorado deciphered that Danielson was whacked by
> > a parasitic double whammy and was actually suffering from two
> > intestinal bugs at once.
> >
> > The first was a relatively easy-to-detect case of Giardia, a
> > microscopic protozoan parasite which infected his gastrointestinal
> > system that Danielson suspects he picked up riding on manure-
> > laden roads this spring in Spain's Catalunya.
> >
> > The other was a still-unknown parasite that doctors guess entered
> > Danielson's system while he won the Tour of Malaysia back in 2003.
> >
> > Were it not for the severe diarrhea that plagued him this spring,
> > however, doctors might not have ever found the Asian parasite."
>
> I guess giardia is ruled out as performance enhancing unless one
> enters a pooping contest.
Are you kidding? The weight loss!
It's like natural ephedra,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 00:58:32
From:
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 4, 10:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> r15...@aol.com wrote:
> > Could be. I don't know about winning the Giro but he's going to be a
> > good bet for stage wins in grand tours. IMO he is already one of the
> > best all-time American climbers, more talent even than Hampsten, more
> > than Vaughters.
>
> By the time Hampsten was Danielson's age he had already won
> a number of climbing prizes including multiple Tours de
> Suisse and several Grand Tour mountain stages including the
> epic Gavia Pass stage in the 1988 Giro.
>
> Just wanted to point that out.
No doubt someone has already pointed out your very common error in
above statement.
I know what Hampster did but I don't see him throwing down a 1:42 on
Evans, guess we'll never know. TD will be at his best in 4 years or
so, and had form to win stages this year. Guess we'll never know that
either.
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 08:22:42
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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r15757@aol.com wrote:
> I know what Hampster did but I don't see him throwing down a 1:42 on
> Evans, guess we'll never know. TD will be at his best in 4 years or
> so, and had form to win stages this year. Guess we'll never know that
> either.
Dumbass,
One of my points was that Danielson has time on his hands
in July to do citizen races like Evans. That's not
consistent with being one of the best American climbers
ever, and not something that Hampsten had available to
him.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 00:13:10
From: DA74
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 5, 12:03 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> Dan Connelly wrote:
> > The canonical age of retirement is 32.
>
> It is? I'd've said 36 or 37. But maybe my perception is skewed by
> classy riders holding out longer.
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
Here's a handy Pro Cyclist Retirement Age Chart for you guys:
Canonical age of retirement = 32 = Pre EPO / HGH
Modern "classy rider" age of retirement = 36/37 = Amgen / Eli Lilly
assisted
Thanks,
The Canonical DA74, lacking Class as per usual
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 07:53:21
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On 09/05/2007 01:13 AM, in article
1188976390.897973.51360@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com, "DA74"
<davidastor74@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 5, 12:03 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid>
> wrote:
>> Dan Connelly wrote:
>>> The canonical age of retirement is 32.
>>
>> It is? I'd've said 36 or 37. But maybe my perception is skewed by
>> classy riders holding out longer.
>>
>> --
>> E. Dronkert
>
>
> Here's a handy Pro Cyclist Retirement Age Chart for you guys:
>
> Canonical age of retirement = 32 = Pre EPO / HGH
> Modern "classy rider" age of retirement = 36/37 = Amgen / Eli Lilly
> assisted
Gilbert Duclos-Lasalle, born 1954. Retired in 1995 at the age of 41. So he
was 32 in 1986, LONG BEFORE EPO/HGH were commonly used.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 11:47:49
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com > wrote in message
news:C30410F1.62753%stevens@veloworks.com...
> On 09/05/2007 01:13 AM, in article
> 1188976390.897973.51360@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com, "DA74"
> <davidastor74@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 5, 12:03 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>> Dan Connelly wrote:
>>>> The canonical age of retirement is 32.
>>>
>>> It is? I'd've said 36 or 37. But maybe my perception is skewed by
>>> classy riders holding out longer.
>>>
>>> --
>>> E. Dronkert
>>
>>
>> Here's a handy Pro Cyclist Retirement Age Chart for you guys:
>>
>> Canonical age of retirement = 32 = Pre EPO / HGH
>> Modern "classy rider" age of retirement = 36/37 = Amgen / Eli Lilly
>> assisted
>
>
> Gilbert Duclos-Lasalle, born 1954. Retired in 1995 at the age of 41. So
> he
> was 32 in 1986, LONG BEFORE EPO/HGH were commonly used.
>
Fred Rompelburg
Joaquim Agostinho
Joop (TIOOYK)
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 13:43:53
From: DirtRoadie
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 4, 1:46 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> DirtRoadie wrote:
> > He did start late, but yes he should be at or near his peak. He may in
> > fact be. However this season has hardly been one where he had the
> > opportunity to show it
>
> "Near"? The canonical age of retirement is 32. That's a rather tight peak, if most riders don't reach it by 29.
>
> I still recall CBS coverage of Paris-Roubaix in 1988. Describing Dirk Demol: "At 28, old for a cyclist." That was a bit laughable. But 29 is hardly pre-peak, physically.
Well, I would offer Levi as an example. I would say he peaked this
year - and he's 4-1/2 years older than Danielson. Clearly the clock
is ticking for Danielson, but it has not stopped.
DR
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 11:41:46
From: DirtRoadie
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 3, 11:25 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> The guy's not inexperienced, he's been a road pro for six
> years now, riding for Mercury, Saturn, Fassa Bortolo, and
> Discovery.
> He's not a young guy. He's 29, he should be at his peak
> right now.
He did start late, but yes he should be at or near his peak. He may in
fact be. However this season has hardly been one where he had the
opportunity to show it
> He's spent the last four seasons riding for teams (Fassa
> Bortolo and Discovery) with entries in the Tour and not
> once has he been put on the start list. Whatever anyone
> may think of Bruyneel, he knows a thing or two about
> doing well in the Tour.
When Tom was with them, Fassa put together a sprinters team to support
Petacchi. No climbers or GC contenders needed. When he moved to
Discovery he was still a bit of an unknown for grand tours, so they
kept him out of the big show.
> Come on now, admit it. His palmares are pretty light.
OK. But hardly invisible.
> Come on now, admit it. He's not very good at riding his bike.
Um, what?
> Come on now, admit it. He doesn't win very often.
Nor do most pros.
> My question is this. How long is it going to take for
> you guys to accept that his role is to dominate the minor
> leagues of the domestic US road circuit? Like Gord Fraser,
> who didn't win anything for years and then came to the US
> and won everything in sight.
I'll wait until his retirement and see how it all worked out. That's
why racing is racing. Mere opinions don't count for much.
DR
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 19:46:39
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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DirtRoadie wrote:
> On Sep 3, 11:25 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>> The guy's not inexperienced, he's been a road pro for six
>> years now, riding for Mercury, Saturn, Fassa Bortolo, and
>> Discovery.
>
>> He's not a young guy. He's 29, he should be at his peak
>> right now.
>
> He did start late, but yes he should be at or near his peak. He may in
> fact be. However this season has hardly been one where he had the
> opportunity to show it
"Near"? The canonical age of retirement is 32. That's a rather tight peak, if most riders don't reach it by 29.
I still recall CBS coverage of Paris-Roubaix in 1988. Describing Dirk Demol: "At 28, old for a cyclist." That was a bit laughable. But 29 is hardly pre-peak, physically.
Dan
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 09:03:13
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Dan Connelly wrote:
> The canonical age of retirement is 32.
It is? I'd've said 36 or 37. But maybe my perception is skewed by
classy riders holding out longer.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 20:56:01
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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"Ewoud Dronkert" <firstname@lastname.net.invalid > wrote in message
news:p2lsd3lq60r9r601hljug0n66dhu3hajkl@4ax.com...
> Dan Connelly wrote:
>> The canonical age of retirement is 32.
>
> It is? I'd've said 36 or 37. But maybe my perception is skewed by
> classy riders holding out longer.
Without a doubt Ewoud writes better English than most of the native speakers
here.
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 06:17:50
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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In article <13duuij4jtmts4f@corp.supernews.com >,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Ewoud Dronkert" <firstname@lastname.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:p2lsd3lq60r9r601hljug0n66dhu3hajkl@4ax.com...
> > Dan Connelly wrote:
> >> The canonical age of retirement is 32.
> >
> > It is? I'd've said 36 or 37. But maybe my perception is skewed by
> > classy riders holding out longer.
>
> Without a doubt Ewoud writes better English than most of the native speakers
> here.
The Netherlands is an English-speaking country.
You can't fool me,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 10:24:08
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> The Netherlands is an English-speaking country.
> You can't fool me,
You're a real sucker for beer. I bet all your wife had to do
was feed you one beer to pick you up at the singles bar.
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 06:15:41
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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In article <46dfba5d$0$31159$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > The Netherlands is an English-speaking country.
> > You can't fool me,
>
> You're a real sucker for beer. I bet all your wife had to do
> was feed you one beer to pick you up at the singles bar.
She had me at hello.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 15:10:22
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> The Netherlands is an English-speaking country.
>> You can't fool me,
>
> You're a real sucker for beer. I bet all your wife had to do
> was feed you one beer to pick you up at the singles bar.
>
That's pretty kind of her, considering how mad she was to find him
hanging out there.
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 22:40:00
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
>> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>> The Netherlands is an English-speaking country.
>>> You can't fool me,
>>
>> You're a real sucker for beer. I bet all your wife had to do
>> was feed you one beer to pick you up at the singles bar.
>>
>
> That's pretty kind of her, considering how mad she was to find him
> hanging out there.
And just how drunk would you have to be to hit on your own wife at the
singles bar? Would you wake up the next morning, recognize who was in bed
with you and try to sneak out of your own house so you could show up later
and say you spent the night at a friend's because you were too drunk to
drive?
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 06:17:04
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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In article <Xns99A39F6ABA389FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4 >,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>
> > Donald Munro wrote:
> >> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> >>> The Netherlands is an English-speaking country.
> >>> You can't fool me,
> >>
> >> You're a real sucker for beer. I bet all your wife had to do
> >> was feed you one beer to pick you up at the singles bar.
> >>
> >
> > That's pretty kind of her, considering how mad she was to find him
> > hanging out there.
>
> And just how drunk would you have to be to hit on your own wife at the
> singles bar? Would you wake up the next morning, recognize who was in bed
> with you and try to sneak out of your own house so you could show up later
> and say you spent the night at a friend's because you were too drunk to
> drive?
If you see your wife at a singles bar, hitting on her is the only safe
recovery for either of you.
That said, both my wife and I have a pathetically, notoriously low
alcohol capacity.
My recent knowledge of singles bars is entirely theoretical, you
understand,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 07 Sep 2007 18:39:57
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
<snip >
>
> That said, both my wife and I have a pathetically, notoriously low
> alcohol capacity.
>
It makes the LIVEDRUNK(tm) easier on the wallet though.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 09:25:45
From: brian_j_roth@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 4, 11:20 am, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> r15...@aol.com wrote:
> > Could be. I don't know about winning the Giro but he's going to be a
> > good bet for stage wins in grand tours. IMO he is already one of the
> > best all-time American climbers, more talent even than Hampsten, more
> > than Vaughters.
>
> By the time Hampsten was Danielson's age he had already won
> a number of climbing prizes including multiple Tours de
> Suisse and several Grand Tour mountain stages including the
> epic Gavia Pass stage in the 1988 Giro.
>
> Just wanted to point that out.
>
> Bob Schwartz
Not to shoot the wheels off your (valid) argument but it was Breukink
that won that Gavia stage.....
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 18:41:16
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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brian_j_roth@yahoo.com wrote:
> Not to shoot the wheels off your (valid) argument but it was Breukink
> that won that Gavia stage.....
Some trolls are more subtle than others.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 21:02:57
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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brian_j_roth@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Not to shoot the wheels off your (valid) argument but it was Breukink
>> that won that Gavia stage.....
Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Some trolls are more subtle than others.
Dutch trolls are as subtle as their cuisine.
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 17:28:01
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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In article <46ddabde$0$31166$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> brian_j_roth@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Not to shoot the wheels off your (valid) argument but it was Breukink
> >> that won that Gavia stage.....
>
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
> > Some trolls are more subtle than others.
>
> Dutch trolls are as subtle as their cuisine.
Hold the mayo?
--
tanx,
Howard
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 01:01:12
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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In article <YOURhoward-577561.17280104092007@comcast.dca.giganews.com >,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <46ddabde$0$31166$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com>,
> Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > brian_j_roth@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >> Not to shoot the wheels off your (valid) argument but it was Breukink
> > >> that won that Gavia stage.....
> >
> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
> > > Some trolls are more subtle than others.
> >
> > Dutch trolls are as subtle as their cuisine.
>
> Hold the mayo?
You're stealing WADA's lines, now.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 08:37:38
From:
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On Sep 3, 11:37 am, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com >
wrote:
> On 09/03/2007 11:25 AM, in article
> csXCi.1526$FO2....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net, "Bob Schwartz"
>
>
>
> <bob.schwa...@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > The guy's not inexperienced, he's been a road pro for six
> > years now, riding for Mercury, Saturn, Fassa Bortolo, and
> > Discovery.
>
> > He's not a young guy. He's 29, he should be at his peak
> > right now.
>
> > He's spent the last four seasons riding for teams (Fassa
> > Bortolo and Discovery) with entries in the Tour and not
> > once has he been put on the start list. Whatever anyone
> > may think of Bruyneel, he knows a thing or two about
> > doing well in the Tour.
>
> > Come on now, admit it. His palmares are pretty light.
>
> > Come on now, admit it. He's not very good at riding his
> > bike.
>
> > Come on now, admit it. He doesn't win very often.
>
> > My question is this. How long is it going to take for
> > you guys to accept that his role is to dominate the minor
> > leagues of the domestic US road circuit? Like Gord Fraser,
> > who didn't win anything for years and then came to the US
> > and won everything in sight.
>
> I used to think like you ... But after reading about his giardia problems,
> which have plagued him for the past 2-3 years, I'm inclined to cut him a
> little slack.
>
> If he's managed two top-10 finishes at the Vuelta, while harboring this bug,
> imagine what he might have been able to do had he been 100% ... this year's
> Vuelta would likely have been that chance to show what he can really do when
> he's healthy; unfortunately, now we'll have to wait and see what Slipstream
> has in mind.
>
> No ... I don't think he's the next Lance, and God forbid that he become the
> next LeMond; but could he become the next Andy Hampsten?
Could be. I don't know about winning the Giro but he's going to be a
good bet for stage wins in grand tours. IMO he is already one of the
best all-time American climbers, more talent even than Hampsten, more
than Vaughters.
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 11:20:09
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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r15757@aol.com wrote:
> Could be. I don't know about winning the Giro but he's going to be a
> good bet for stage wins in grand tours. IMO he is already one of the
> best all-time American climbers, more talent even than Hampsten, more
> than Vaughters.
By the time Hampsten was Danielson's age he had already won
a number of climbing prizes including multiple Tours de
Suisse and several Grand Tour mountain stages including the
epic Gavia Pass stage in the 1988 Giro.
Just wanted to point that out.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 21:11:32
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Bob Schwartz schreef:
> By the time Hampsten was Danielson's age he had already won
> a number of climbing prizes including multiple Tours de
> Suisse and several Grand Tour mountain stages including the
> epic Gavia Pass stage in the 1988 Giro.
Please. I said no jokes for a week or so.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 11:37:36
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On 09/03/2007 11:25 AM, in article
csXCi.1526$FO2.675@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net, "Bob Schwartz"
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
> The guy's not inexperienced, he's been a road pro for six
> years now, riding for Mercury, Saturn, Fassa Bortolo, and
> Discovery.
>
> He's not a young guy. He's 29, he should be at his peak
> right now.
>
> He's spent the last four seasons riding for teams (Fassa
> Bortolo and Discovery) with entries in the Tour and not
> once has he been put on the start list. Whatever anyone
> may think of Bruyneel, he knows a thing or two about
> doing well in the Tour.
>
> Come on now, admit it. His palmares are pretty light.
>
> Come on now, admit it. He's not very good at riding his
> bike.
>
> Come on now, admit it. He doesn't win very often.
>
> My question is this. How long is it going to take for
> you guys to accept that his role is to dominate the minor
> leagues of the domestic US road circuit? Like Gord Fraser,
> who didn't win anything for years and then came to the US
> and won everything in sight.
I used to think like you ... But after reading about his giardia problems,
which have plagued him for the past 2-3 years, I'm inclined to cut him a
little slack.
If he's managed two top-10 finishes at the Vuelta, while harboring this bug,
imagine what he might have been able to do had he been 100% ... this year's
Vuelta would likely have been that chance to show what he can really do when
he's healthy; unfortunately, now we'll have to wait and see what Slipstream
has in mind.
No ... I don't think he's the next Lance, and God forbid that he become the
next LeMond; but could he become the next Andy Hampsten?
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 16:28:58
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> I used to think like you ... But after reading about his giardia problems,
> which have plagued him for the past 2-3 years, I'm inclined to cut him a
> little slack.
>
> If he's managed two top-10 finishes at the Vuelta, while harboring this bug,
> imagine what he might have been able to do had he been 100% ... this year's
> Vuelta would likely have been that chance to show what he can really do when
> he's healthy; unfortunately, now we'll have to wait and see what Slipstream
> has in mind.
The giardia was this past spring. And he has my sympathy for that.
The cure has been described as every bit as nasty as the illness.
He's apparently also had some Asian bug since 2003, whose impact
was subtle enough that he didn't know it was there.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 07:49:29
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On 09/04/2007 10:28 AM, in article
eJfDi.23900$eY.9062@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net, "Bob Schwartz"
<bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:
> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
>> I used to think like you ... But after reading about his giardia problems,
>> which have plagued him for the past 2-3 years, I'm inclined to cut him a
>> little slack.
>>
>> If he's managed two top-10 finishes at the Vuelta, while harboring this bug,
>> imagine what he might have been able to do had he been 100% ... this year's
>> Vuelta would likely have been that chance to show what he can really do when
>> he's healthy; unfortunately, now we'll have to wait and see what Slipstream
>> has in mind.
>
> The giardia was this past spring. And he has my sympathy for that.
> The cure has been described as every bit as nasty as the illness.
>
> He's apparently also had some Asian bug since 2003, whose impact
> was subtle enough that he didn't know it was there.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug03news2
"I was scared. I was scared for my health. I was scared for my career," he
said in an interview with Colorado's Durango Herald. "I didn't know what was
going on."
Danielson had been having stomach problems since 2004, and even repeated
visits to various emergency rooms were unable to pinpoint the problem. "It
was really frustrating, to be sick and not be able to train. I mean, I got
so sick that I thought I was going to die or something. The symptoms for
what I had ranged from a parasite or something like this all the way to
cancer."
[snip]
The ultimate diagnosis was Giardia, an intestinal illness caused by a
microscopic parasite. According to the US Food and Drug Administration,
*** "Normally illness lasts for one to two weeks, but THERE ARE CASES OF
CHRONIC INFECTIONS LASTING MONTHS TO YEARS." ***
The latter seems to apply to Danielson. He apparently picked the bug up when
he won the Tour of Langkawi in Malaysia in 2003. "From when I did Malaysia
back in '03, from then on we've kind of had this documented history of these
weird symptoms," he said.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 14:57:37
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> On 09/04/2007 10:28 AM, in article
> eJfDi.23900$eY.9062@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net, "Bob Schwartz"
> <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
>>> I used to think like you ... But after reading about his giardia problems,
>>> which have plagued him for the past 2-3 years, I'm inclined to cut him a
>>> little slack.
>>>
>>> If he's managed two top-10 finishes at the Vuelta, while harboring this bug,
>>> imagine what he might have been able to do had he been 100% ... this year's
>>> Vuelta would likely have been that chance to show what he can really do when
>>> he's healthy; unfortunately, now we'll have to wait and see what Slipstream
>>> has in mind.
>> The giardia was this past spring. And he has my sympathy for that.
>> The cure has been described as every bit as nasty as the illness.
>>
>> He's apparently also had some Asian bug since 2003, whose impact
>> was subtle enough that he didn't know it was there.
>
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/aug07/aug03news2
>
> "I was scared. I was scared for my health. I was scared for my career," he
> said in an interview with Colorado's Durango Herald. "I didn't know what was
> going on."
>
> Danielson had been having stomach problems since 2004, and even repeated
> visits to various emergency rooms were unable to pinpoint the problem. "It
> was really frustrating, to be sick and not be able to train. I mean, I got
> so sick that I thought I was going to die or something. The symptoms for
> what I had ranged from a parasite or something like this all the way to
> cancer."
>
> [snip]
>
> The ultimate diagnosis was Giardia, an intestinal illness caused by a
> microscopic parasite. According to the US Food and Drug Administration,
>
> *** "Normally illness lasts for one to two weeks, but THERE ARE CASES OF
> CHRONIC INFECTIONS LASTING MONTHS TO YEARS." ***
>
> The latter seems to apply to Danielson. He apparently picked the bug up when
> he won the Tour of Langkawi in Malaysia in 2003. "From when I did Malaysia
> back in '03, from then on we've kind of had this documented history of these
> weird symptoms," he said.
That differs markedly from
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13186.0.html
"Doctors in Colorado deciphered that Danielson was whacked by
a parasitic double whammy and was actually suffering from two
intestinal bugs at once.
The first was a relatively easy-to-detect case of Giardia, a
microscopic protozoan parasite which infected his gastrointestinal
system that Danielson suspects he picked up riding on manure-
laden roads this spring in Spain's Catalunya.
The other was a still-unknown parasite that doctors guess entered
Danielson's system while he won the Tour of Malaysia back in 2003.
Were it not for the severe diarrhea that plagued him this spring,
however, doctors might not have ever found the Asian parasite."
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 15:58:01
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
> No ... I don't think he's the next Lance, and God forbid that he become the
> next LeMond; but could he become the next Andy Hampsten?
You mean you're predicting he's going to win a blizzard ridden
stage over the Gavia in the giro ? One in which no one from Holland
has a chance of winning ?
PS Just for Ewoud:
http://www.bikeradar.com/blogs/article/true-stories-andy-hampsten-the-gavia-1988-12016
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 16:16:04
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Donald Munro wrote:
> PS Just for Ewoud:
> http://www.bikeradar.com/blogs/article/true-stories-andy-hampsten-the-gavia-1988-12016
Argh.
Well, here's a link that will hopefully be picked up by Google Images.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ewoud/cycling/giro_gavia_breukink_vandevelde_1.jpg
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 17:42:54
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
>> PS Just for Ewoud:
>> http://www.bikeradar.com/blogs/article/true-stories-andy-hampsten-the-gavia-1988-12016
>
> Argh.
>
> Well, here's a link that will hopefully be picked up by Google Images.
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~ewoud/cycling/giro_gavia_breukink_vandevelde_1.jpg
Maybe you should create a Wikipedia entry that matches your view
of reality.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 22:35:41
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Maybe you should create a Wikipedia entry that matches your view
> of reality.
I hope Kunich doesn't take your advice.
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Date: 05 Sep 2007 07:43:46
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: A question for the Danielson tifosi
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On 09/04/2007 07:58 AM, in article
46dd6467$0$31176$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com, "Donald Munro"
<fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Steven L. Sheffield wrote:
>> No ... I don't think he's the next Lance, and God forbid that he become the
>> next LeMond; but could he become the next Andy Hampsten?
>
> You mean you're predicting he's going to win a blizzard ridden
> stage over the Gavia in the giro ? One in which no one from Holland
> has a chance of winning ?
>
> PS Just for Ewoud:
>
http://www.bikeradar.com/blogs/article/true-stories-andy-hampsten-the-gavia-1988
-12016
Now that's just friggin' hysterical!
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
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