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Date: 01 Aug 2007 12:56:58
From: Steve Freides
Subject: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
Not trying to voice an opinion here, just posting the link for anyone
who's interested in reading it. To summarize: it concludes that Lance's
success was a combination of some unusual physical attributes, a
scientific approach to improving his weaknesses, and a lot of
determination. The researcher is apparently very well respected so I
think it's worth reading - your mileage may vary. :)
-S-
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 10:58:49
From:
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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On Aug 2, 9:19 am, cyclin...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 1, 8:30 pm, vellowfel...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Interestingly, Walsh also cited some more Dr. Coyle data showing that
> > the difference in weight between the pre-cancer Lance and 7 time TdF
> > winning version was not as nearly significant as advertised.- Hide quoted text -
>
> What was impressive is to look at any of Lance's photos before and
> after his cancer. What jumps out at you is that his arms and chest
> musclature are totally different. His build is different and plainly
> his muscle types are different. Before cancer Lance was a pretty fast
> sprinter. After cancer he couldn't outsprint Pantani.
No doubt that, visually, his physique changed quite a bit. I for one
readily admit that I bought into the whole notion that his weight loss
was largely responsible for his marked improvement. What I found
surprising was that Walsh showed-- via data he purportedly got from
Dr. Coyle's records-- that the weight change wasn't really of the
magnitude that was being reported-- something like a 1kg difference
between his TdF winning weight and his '93 world title winning weight.
Even pre-cancer, I don't recall Lance as being a "pretty fast
sprinter". Rather he was more of what they used to call a "hard man"
who had the potential to win tough one day races like LBL.
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 07:45:09
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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On Aug 2, 8:19 am, cyclin...@gmail.com wrote:
>Before cancer Lance was a pretty fast
> sprinter. After cancer he couldn't outsprint Pantani.
Before cancer, Lance couldn't outsprint Tom Finklea at the Tuesday
Nighter. --D-y
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 13:26:54
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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<dustoyevsky@mac.com > wrote in message
news:1186065909.547603.218140@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 2, 8:19 am, cyclin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>Before cancer Lance was a pretty fast
>> sprinter. After cancer he couldn't outsprint Pantani.
>
> Before cancer, Lance couldn't outsprint Tom Finklea at the Tuesday
> Nighter. --D-y
That's nothing to be ashamed of. Finklea was quite a cagey sprinter.
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 13:34:16
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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On Aug 1, 2:46 pm, Claus Assmann <ca+sendmail(no-copies-
please)@mine.informatik.uni-kiel.de > wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > >http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
> > Just one thing obviously incorrect in the article- it talks about him having
> > a heart the size of someone who's 6'4" while he's 5'5". Lance is actually
>
> You are referring to this part:
>
> "When we took images--an echocardiogram--of his heart, we saw
> that it was much bigger than average. Although he's only 5'5",
> he has the heart of someone who's around 6'4".
>
> Then you have to read the paragraph right before it too:
>
> "... Last summer, for example, I did some testing on a very, very
> talented UT student athlete named Leo Manzano. He's one of the
> best `milers' in the U.S. and was a top performer in the NCAA
> finals.
>
> That is, those numbers apply to Leo, not to Lance.
> --
> "Wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil"
coupla months back was a hjeated discussion runnin' maybe 100+ posts
based on grosssss misreading of a posted magazine article. maybe humor
involved.
"sueveal ert sueveal"
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 13:26:52
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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On Aug 1, 1:31 pm, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:_j3si.54569$5j1.51933@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
> Mike Jacoubowsky <mik...@ix.netcom.com> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a d=E9cla=
r=E9 :
>
> >>http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
>
> >> Not trying to voice an opinion here, just posting the link for anyone
> >> who's interested in reading it. To summarize: it concludes that
> >> Lance's success was a combination of some unusual physical
> >> attributes, a scientific approach to improving his weaknesses, and a
> >> lot of determination. The researcher is apparently very well
> >> respected so I think it's worth reading - your mileage may vary. :)
>
> > Just one thing obviously incorrect in the article- it talks about him
> > having a heart the size of someone who's 6'4" while he's 5'5".
>
> Hey, whaddyano! I got one of those too! But my doc worries more than
> congratulates on the existence of an "athlete's heart". Seems it goes wi=
th
> lots of baddies. "Take it to the limit one more time......" Some sort of
> song, I recall. Goes better with sex; sex is not a heavy tax on the card=
io
> system. It may tax the wallet, if you don't watch out.
> --
> Sandy
> --
> C'est le contraire du v=E9lo, la bicyclette.
> Une silhouette profil=E9e mauve fluo d=E9vale
> =E0 soixante-dix =E0 l'heure : c'est du v=E9lo.
> Deux lyc=E9ennes c=F4te =E0 c=F4te traversent
> un pont =E0 Bruges : c'est de la bicyclette.
> -Delerm, P.
send us photos of the bus station?
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 06:19:16
From:
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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On Aug 1, 8:30 pm, vellowfel...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Interestingly, Walsh also cited some more Dr. Coyle data showing that
> the difference in weight between the pre-cancer Lance and 7 time TdF
> winning version was not as nearly significant as advertised.- Hide quoted text -
What was impressive is to look at any of Lance's photos before and
after his cancer. What jumps out at you is that his arms and chest
musclature are totally different. His build is different and plainly
his muscle types are different. Before cancer Lance was a pretty fast
sprinter. After cancer he couldn't outsprint Pantani.
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 20:30:36
From:
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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On Aug 1, 2:42 pm, John Everett
<jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net > wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:23:06 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
>
> <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
>
> >> Not trying to voice an opinion here, just posting the link for anyone
> >> who's interested in reading it. To summarize: it concludes that Lance's
> >> success was a combination of some unusual physical attributes, a
> >> scientific approach to improving his weaknesses, and a lot of
> >> determination. The researcher is apparently very well respected so I
> >> think it's worth reading - your mileage may vary. :)
>
> >Just one thing obviously incorrect in the article- it talks about him having
> >a heart the size of someone who's 6'4" while he's 5'5". Lance is actually
> >5'10" (and rides a 58cm frame... which would be quite difficult for someone
> >5'5").
>
> Need a refresher in reading comprehension? The article was talking
> about Leo Manzano, who's 5'5".
>
> --
> jeverett3<AT>sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)
In the latest Walsh book, he cites data from Dr. Coyle indicating that
Lance's heart is actually the size of someone 7 feet tall. That
sounds even more impressive than the Manzano figures.
Interestingly, Walsh also cited some more Dr. Coyle data showing that
the difference in weight between the pre-cancer Lance and 7 time TdF
winning version was not as nearly significant as advertised.
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 17:23:06
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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> http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
>
> Not trying to voice an opinion here, just posting the link for anyone
> who's interested in reading it. To summarize: it concludes that Lance's
> success was a combination of some unusual physical attributes, a
> scientific approach to improving his weaknesses, and a lot of
> determination. The researcher is apparently very well respected so I
> think it's worth reading - your mileage may vary. :)
Just one thing obviously incorrect in the article- it talks about him having
a heart the size of someone who's 6'4" while he's 5'5". Lance is actually
5'10" (and rides a 58cm frame... which would be quite difficult for someone
5'5").
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 18:46:37
From: Claus Assmann
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
> Just one thing obviously incorrect in the article- it talks about him having
> a heart the size of someone who's 6'4" while he's 5'5". Lance is actually
You are referring to this part:
"When we took images--an echocardiogram--of his heart, we saw
that it was much bigger than average. Although he's only 5'5",
he has the heart of someone who's around 6'4".
Then you have to read the paragraph right before it too:
"... Last summer, for example, I did some testing on a very, very
talented UT student athlete named Leo Manzano. He's one of the
best `milers' in the U.S. and was a top performer in the NCAA
finals.
That is, those numbers apply to Leo, not to Lance.
--
"Wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil"
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 18:42:50
From: John Everett
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:23:06 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
<mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
>> http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
>>
>> Not trying to voice an opinion here, just posting the link for anyone
>> who's interested in reading it. To summarize: it concludes that Lance's
>> success was a combination of some unusual physical attributes, a
>> scientific approach to improving his weaknesses, and a lot of
>> determination. The researcher is apparently very well respected so I
>> think it's worth reading - your mileage may vary. :)
>
>Just one thing obviously incorrect in the article- it talks about him having
>a heart the size of someone who's 6'4" while he's 5'5". Lance is actually
>5'10" (and rides a 58cm frame... which would be quite difficult for someone
>5'5").
Need a refresher in reading comprehension? The article was talking
about Leo Manzano, who's 5'5".
--
jeverett3<AT >sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 13:14:22
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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> Need a refresher in reading comprehension? The article was talking
> about Leo Manzano, who's 5'5".
Evidently!
Not the first time, nor will be the last time I make a mistake like that.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"John Everett" <jeverett3@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net > wrote in message
news:4uk1b35cbub89nvgfprlp91mlhe1poekt3@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:23:06 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
> <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
>>>
>>> Not trying to voice an opinion here, just posting the link for anyone
>>> who's interested in reading it. To summarize: it concludes that Lance's
>>> success was a combination of some unusual physical attributes, a
>>> scientific approach to improving his weaknesses, and a lot of
>>> determination. The researcher is apparently very well respected so I
>>> think it's worth reading - your mileage may vary. :)
>>
>>Just one thing obviously incorrect in the article- it talks about him
>>having
>>a heart the size of someone who's 6'4" while he's 5'5". Lance is actually
>>5'10" (and rides a 58cm frame... which would be quite difficult for
>>someone
>>5'5").
>
> Need a refresher in reading comprehension? The article was talking
> about Leo Manzano, who's 5'5".
>
>
> --
> jeverett3<AT>sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 19:31:29
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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Dans le message de news:_j3si.54569$5j1.51933@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net,
Mike Jacoubowsky <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>> http://www.utexas.edu/features/2006/athletes/index.html
>>
>> Not trying to voice an opinion here, just posting the link for anyone
>> who's interested in reading it. To summarize: it concludes that
>> Lance's success was a combination of some unusual physical
>> attributes, a scientific approach to improving his weaknesses, and a
>> lot of determination. The researcher is apparently very well
>> respected so I think it's worth reading - your mileage may vary. :)
>
> Just one thing obviously incorrect in the article- it talks about him
> having a heart the size of someone who's 6'4" while he's 5'5".
Hey, whaddyano! I got one of those too! But my doc worries more than
congratulates on the existence of an "athlete's heart". Seems it goes with
lots of baddies. "Take it to the limit one more time......" Some sort of
song, I recall. Goes better with sex; sex is not a heavy tax on the cardio
system. It may tax the wallet, if you don't watch out.
--
Sandy
--
C'est le contraire du vélo, la bicyclette.
Une silhouette profilée mauve fluo dévale
à soixante-dix à l'heure : c'est du vélo.
Deux lycéennes côte à côte traversent
un pont à Bruges : c'est de la bicyclette.
-Delerm, P.
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 20:20:45
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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Sandy wrote:
>
> Hey, whaddyano! I got one of those too! But my doc worries more than
> congratulates on the existence of an "athlete's heart".
Athletic heart should rightly refer to someone who's cardiac
enlargement is due not only to dilatation but also hypertrophy of the
cardiac muscle. The total cardiac output increases, as does the pulse
volume. This is why a trained athlete at rest has a lower heart
rate--the heart doesn't work as hard at rest as would a sedentary heart.
This is very different from cardiac enlargement seen in
cardiomyopathies. In this case the heart enlarges but the cardiac walls
often thin, the heart doesn't empty completely when beating, and cardiac
output decreases.
Steve
Seems it goes with
> lots of baddies. "Take it to the limit one more time......" Some sort of
> song, I recall. Goes better with sex; sex is not a heavy tax on the cardio
> system. It may tax the wallet, if you don't watch out.
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 21:07:36
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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Sandy wrote:
> Hey, whaddyano! I got one of those too! But my doc worries more than
> congratulates on the existence of an "athlete's heart". Seems it goes with
> lots of baddies. "Take it to the limit one more time......" Some sort of
> song, I recall. Goes better with sex; sex is not a heavy tax on the cardio
> system. It may tax the wallet, if you don't watch out.
Proof of Viagra use. You should withdraw.
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 19:55:32
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:46b0da72$0$4364$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> Sandy wrote:
>> Hey, whaddyano! I got one of those too! But my doc worries more than
>> congratulates on the existence of an "athlete's heart". Seems it goes
>> with
>> lots of baddies. "Take it to the limit one more time......" Some sort
>> of
>> song, I recall. Goes better with sex; sex is not a heavy tax on the
>> cardio
>> system. It may tax the wallet, if you don't watch out.
>
> Proof of Viagra use. You should withdraw.
And that's the kindest of interpretations on sex being hard on the wallet.
J "gets his for free" F
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 00:50:44
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Article from last year on Lance's physiology
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"Jim Flom" <jim.flomREMOVE@telus.net > wrote in message
news:Uy5si.70957$tB5.36880@edtnps90...
> "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46b0da72$0$4364$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
>> Sandy wrote:
>>> Hey, whaddyano! I got one of those too! But my doc worries more than
>>> congratulates on the existence of an "athlete's heart". Seems it goes
>>> with
>>> lots of baddies. "Take it to the limit one more time......" Some sort
>>> of
>>> song, I recall. Goes better with sex; sex is not a heavy tax on the
>>> cardio
>>> system. It may tax the wallet, if you don't watch out.
>>
>> Proof of Viagra use. You should withdraw.
>
> And that's the kindest of interpretations on sex being hard on the wallet.
>
> J "gets his for free" F
Give yourself another hand.
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