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Date: 04 Jun 2007 15:35:30
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Subject: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
today here in Cary).
You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
the law themselves.
And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
exercise, aren't you?
Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 10:08:40
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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I'll walk my bike for safety when a motorist pushes her car on the
road for the same reason.
-Rick
On Jun 27, 7:35 pm, Ed <nos...@nospam.nospam > wrote:
> In article <1180996530.410128.103...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> <i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road....
>
> Ya mean like cars do? Hahahahahahah.
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 15:03:20
From: Roger Connor
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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rick@elevengear.us wrote:
> I'll walk my bike for safety when a motorist pushes her car on the
> road for the same reason.
>
> -Rick
>
> On Jun 27, 7:35 pm, Ed <nos...@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>
>>In article <1180996530.410128.103...@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>><i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road....
>>
>>Ya mean like cars do? Hahahahahahah.
>
>
>
Lets see, this week alone I've seen:
4 bikes on the sidewalk, despite a city wide ordanance against it. One
of which had a bike lane adjacent to the sidewalk.
3 bikes run red lights, two of them making left turns, one going straight.
1 rider that came within inches of running over a pedestrian attempting
to board a bus
1 rider attempting to signal a right turn -with his right hand
2 riders side by side blocking the lane on a road that is notoriously
curvey and hilly with only for one spot for passing -average speed less
than 5 mph, speedlimit for vehicles-45 (and most do 55)
I attempt to follow the rules of the road, and at the same time be
courteous to others, both cyclist and other drivers. At the same time, I
figure I've got at least a half-ton of steel and plastic protecting my
delicate skin, where as the cyclist has zip. A 35mph fender bender will
probably not give me an injury. It potentially could kill someone not
protected. And, it's my experience that if you continue a pattern of
foolish actions, the laws of probability catches you.
Final note: Please, Please edit your header and remove the rec.heraldry
news group for replies and further posts!
THanks,
Roger Connor
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Date: 27 Jun 2007 22:35:23
From: Ed
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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In article <1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
<i_tell_it_like_it_is_4@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road....
Ya mean like cars do? Hahahahahahah.
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 17:32:37
From: Marlene Blanshay
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Ed wrote:
> In article <1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
> <i_tell_it_like_it_is_4@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road....
>
> Ya mean like cars do? Hahahahahahah.
no kidding... i had a near miss at a suburban intersection,when some
stupid teenage yahoo blithely sailed through a stop sign. Fortunately, i
had the sense to stop, fishtailing in the process...teenagers driving
their parents cars are the worst.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 18:59:23
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 18, 7:20 pm, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
> yeah..and that's when you tell them to f*ck off!
But bicycles are vehicles, and not only have a legal place on the ROW
(except where proscribed), but they are so completely recognized as
vehicles that they are prohibited from sidewalks in many places,
especially in downtown city areas. --D-y
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 17:20:08
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 17, 8:05 am, Pudentame <no....@no.were.invalid > wrote:
> i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Jun 4, 8:14 pm, nayR <ryanblakd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Sounds like an angry driver to me. Especially when talkin' about
> >> walkin' a bicycle on a sidewalk.. walkin' a bicycle. Irony? Unless
> >> there's a mechanical issue or flat tire, I find it funny. Regardless
> >> if that's exercise or not, cyclists are allowed on the road as well as
> >> any car. No need for a bike lane to state that. Sure, there are
> >> cyclists who don't obey the law, but there are drivers who do the
> >> same. Passin' through an intersection when the light's yellow is not
> >> restricted to cyclists alone. It's not illegal, anyway. I doubt
> >> those cyclists would listen to you even if you told them much like
> >> drivers, so it's a lost cause.
>
> > Bicyclists are required to yield the right-of-way to pedestrians when
> > they are using their bikes on the sidewalk, my puppy. If you don't
> > believe it, go on downtown wherever you live and check with your local
> > law enforcement.
>
> > They'll school you....
>
> Not around here ... they'll tell you to get that &*(^& bicycle off the
> sidewalks!
yeah..and that's when you tell them to f*ck off!
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:45:48
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 8, 6:27 pm, "CopperTop" <ccppt...@earthlink.net > wrote:
> I started reading all of these post on this subject. But honestly didn't
> read all of them.
>
> From my perspective, bicycle riders may very well have a legal right to the
> road. But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have a
> legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes. Not
> fair.
>
> A bike rider will argue he has a right to be there. BUT what kind of idiot
> on a bike weighing maybe 200 lbs total is going to get in the street and try
> to compete for space with a 60,000 lb truck? A 5000 lb SUV? Hell, even a
> 1800 lb small car? Legal right or not, bike riders are idiots.
>
> Most bike riders break all the laws. At least 95% of the ones I see around
> Charlotte don't slow down for intersections, are arrogant enough to ride in
> the middle of the lane and dare to to say anything. They intentionally get
> in front of you and slow down, I've seen them move over close to the center
> line just to make it as hard as possible for you to pass.
>
> Screw them. I don't give them an inch or any consideration. When the cops
> start ticketing them, when the riders start acting with some sense; maybe I
> will give them some consierdation but not until then.
good point. maybe they DO need to start paying a road use tax...I
wonder how it would be administered though...
*scrubbing my chin, trying to think of a good way to "get 'er
done!".....
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:44:28
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 5, 6:58 pm, "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote:
> <i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> > here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> > see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> Well thanks for straightening us out on that one. Now, how do we get
> drivers to do the same thing? Those 37 000 vehicular deaths a year on US
> roads are a little embarrassing, don't you think.
>
> Phil H
errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...too bad they aren't all bicyclists? (seeking to
understand)
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:42:57
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 6, 8:45 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 6:13 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs of
> > steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
> > rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker with
> > a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my face so
> > that I can kick your ass for sure.
>
> > <i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> > > here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> > > see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> > > Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> > > yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> > > today here in Cary).
>
> > > You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
> > > getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
> > > the law themselves.
>
> > > And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
> > > of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
> > > it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
> > > sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
> > > them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
> > > exercise, aren't you?
>
> > > Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
> > > pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
> > > and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
>
> Except..I'm pretty militant when I ride..I often will tell somebody
> that runs red lights they ought to stop at them...I get the same
> response...'fuck off'...car drivers have another thing in common, they
> vote. When that $ thing comes up that may improve the cyclists lot,
> they remember the guy that ran the light and vote accordingly. Stop at
> the damn things, not that hard.
Awww...no speakem de Espanol.
Like a very popular bumper sticker says:
"WELCOME TO AMERICA! NOW LEARN ENGLISH!"
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...dayum I'm good!
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:41:20
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 4, 8:52 pm, VeloMel...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 4, 6:35 pm, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> > here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> > see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> > Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> > yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> > today here in Cary).
>
> > You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
> > getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
> > the law themselves.
>
> > And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
> > of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
> > it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
> > sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
> > them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
> > exercise, aren't you?
>
> > Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
> > pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
> > and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
>
> Good troll. Nicely done. Not a single swear word in there, good
> spelling, and usage of a classic Jim Varney catch-phrase. All-in-all,
> a solid 6 out of 10. Might have gotten a 7 or 7.5 if he had posted to
> rbm instead of rbr.
>
> A few years back I had the opportunity to ride some around Cary, NC
> and, thankfully, never had the displeasure of encountering anyone that
> shares your views.
Well, come on back to visit again fella....we are getting more and
more of those replanted Yankees down here in Cary..... And you KNOW
how arrogant and impatient those people from "up Nawth" can be.
CARY - Capital Area Replanted Yankees
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:39:20
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 4, 8:14 pm, nayR <ryanblakd...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Sounds like an angry driver to me. Especially when talkin' about
> walkin' a bicycle on a sidewalk.. walkin' a bicycle. Irony? Unless
> there's a mechanical issue or flat tire, I find it funny. Regardless
> if that's exercise or not, cyclists are allowed on the road as well as
> any car. No need for a bike lane to state that. Sure, there are
> cyclists who don't obey the law, but there are drivers who do the
> same. Passin' through an intersection when the light's yellow is not
> restricted to cyclists alone. It's not illegal, anyway. I doubt
> those cyclists would listen to you even if you told them much like
> drivers, so it's a lost cause.
Bicyclists are required to yield the right-of-way to pedestrians when
they are using their bikes on the sidewalk, my puppy. If you don't
believe it, go on downtown wherever you live and check with your local
law enforcement.
They'll school you....
"Black....juuuujuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!" * followed what it must sound like
as bugs and worms crawl on you.........just before.......
ewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!
- Alice Cooper, "Black Juju"
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 08:05:12
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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i_tell_it_like_it_is_4@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jun 4, 8:14 pm, nayR <ryanblakd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Sounds like an angry driver to me. Especially when talkin' about
>> walkin' a bicycle on a sidewalk.. walkin' a bicycle. Irony? Unless
>> there's a mechanical issue or flat tire, I find it funny. Regardless
>> if that's exercise or not, cyclists are allowed on the road as well as
>> any car. No need for a bike lane to state that. Sure, there are
>> cyclists who don't obey the law, but there are drivers who do the
>> same. Passin' through an intersection when the light's yellow is not
>> restricted to cyclists alone. It's not illegal, anyway. I doubt
>> those cyclists would listen to you even if you told them much like
>> drivers, so it's a lost cause.
>
> Bicyclists are required to yield the right-of-way to pedestrians when
> they are using their bikes on the sidewalk, my puppy. If you don't
> believe it, go on downtown wherever you live and check with your local
> law enforcement.
>
> They'll school you....
Not around here ... they'll tell you to get that &*(^& bicycle off the
sidewalks!
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:33:49
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Errrrr....Tom..... Is that a challenge to a duel? An attempt at an
infringement of my rights to free speech? Are you a republican by
chance? And even if you DO say you are a Democrat, I imagine you will
have to admit voting for EWOC GWBush. At least in 2000, if not in
both 2000 AND 2004.
Gosh, you are soooooooooooooooo easy, pacho!
On Jun 4, 8:13 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs of
> steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
> rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker with
> a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my face so
> that I can kick your ass for sure.
>
> <i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> > here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> > see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> > Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> > yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> > today here in Cary).
>
> > You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
> > getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
> > the law themselves.
>
> > And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
> > of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
> > it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
> > sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
> > them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
> > exercise, aren't you?
>
> > Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
> > pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
> > and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 11:31:35
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Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 4, 6:35 pm, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
(snip)
Wow! 203 posts and counting! One of my most popular threads evah!
ROTFLMAOHYA!
HYA? Hysterically, Yet Again.
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 20:58:01
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 13, 6:19 pm, Pudentame <no....@no.were.invalid > wrote:
> dustoyev...@mac.com wrote:
> > Yeah, "proper" means natural color; I didn't bother to look that one
> > up for exact meaning, as I figured the double-entendre was intended,
> > as it was with "sanguine".
>
> > It all means "give me the chance and I will run over your ass if I
> > think I can get away with it", which of course, they pretty much know
> > they can.
>
> > At least until the 3' passing laws become standard. What is it now, 11
> > states that have such a law? Bet that makes some motorists so mad they
> > could kill somebody... --D-y
>
> Actually, since it was coming from the heraldry group, I think he was
> merely remarking on some of the other postings obvious hostility, and
> pointing out the thread's lack of relationship to heraldry, especially
> since he dropped the heraldry group from the group list and no one has
> bothered to put it back.
I think he got in a cheap shot and ran away. --D-y
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 08:55:11
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 12, 10:56 pm, Pudentame <no....@no.were.invalid > wrote:
> dustoyev...@mac.com wrote:
> > On Jun 12, 7:09 am, Roger Connor <racon...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
> >> Will you PLEASE get this garbage off of rec.heraldry!
>
> >> Edit your Reply to Newsgroups, Damnit!
>
> >> I don't care if you discuss how cyclist can get themselves killed, nor
> >> whose fault it is. But I would blazon the aftermath as:
> >> Sanguine, a bycicle mangled, proper.
>
> > "Happy about a bicycle being properly mangled".
>
> > Gotcha.
>
> > Thanks for taking a stand. --D-y
>
> Uuh ... sanguine means blood red; in heraldry I think that means a
> shield or coat of arms with a red background, and proper just means
> natural color.
(mac dictionary says):
sanguine
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 19:19:42
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
> Yeah, "proper" means natural color; I didn't bother to look that one
> up for exact meaning, as I figured the double-entendre was intended,
> as it was with "sanguine".
>
> It all means "give me the chance and I will run over your ass if I
> think I can get away with it", which of course, they pretty much know
> they can.
>
> At least until the 3' passing laws become standard. What is it now, 11
> states that have such a law? Bet that makes some motorists so mad they
> could kill somebody... --D-y
>
Actually, since it was coming from the heraldry group, I think he was
merely remarking on some of the other postings obvious hostility, and
pointing out the thread's lack of relationship to heraldry, especially
since he dropped the heraldry group from the group list and no one has
bothered to put it back.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 00:53:29
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Pudentame" <no.one@no.were.invalid > wrote in message
news:46707b95$0$30659$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Actually, since it was coming from the heraldry group, I think he was
> merely remarking on some of the other postings obvious hostility, and
> pointing out the thread's lack of relationship to heraldry, especially
> since he dropped the heraldry group from the group list and no one has
> bothered to put it back.
This group is remarkable for it's friendly conversations. Try some of the
other groups if you want hostility.
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 19:31:33
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Pudentame" <no.one@no.were.invalid> wrote in message
> news:46707b95$0$30659$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Actually, since it was coming from the heraldry group, I think he was
>> merely remarking on some of the other postings obvious hostility, and
>> pointing out the thread's lack of relationship to heraldry, especially
>> since he dropped the heraldry group from the group list and no one has
>> bothered to put it back.
>
> This group is remarkable for it's friendly conversations. Try some of the
> other groups if you want hostility.
>
>
Which group is "this group"; tri.gen certainly ain't.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 22:29:15
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Pudentame" <no.one@no.were.invalid > wrote in message
news:4673215d$0$3176$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "Pudentame" <no.one@no.were.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:46707b95$0$30659$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> Actually, since it was coming from the heraldry group, I think he was
>>> merely remarking on some of the other postings obvious hostility, and
>>> pointing out the thread's lack of relationship to heraldry, especially
>>> since he dropped the heraldry group from the group list and no one has
>>> bothered to put it back.
>>
>> This group is remarkable for it's friendly conversations. Try some of the
>> other groups if you want hostility.
>
> Which group is "this group"; tri.gen certainly ain't.
rec.bicycles.racing. While there have been some pretty nasty sessions
sometimes lasting weeks or even months (Any strong concerning Laff@me for
instance) it is remarkably civil compared to many of the other groups that
would surprise a lot of people - try reading some of the Chess groups
sometime if you think that this is hostile.
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 11:18:24
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> try reading some of the Chess groups sometime if you think that this is hostile.
That's because the chess players are all on steroids.
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 17:16:59
From: Dan Becker
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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In article <4673215d$0$3176$4c368faf@roadrunner.com >, Pudentame
<no.one@no.were.invalid > wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > This group is remarkable for it's friendly conversations. Try some of the
> > other groups if you want hostility.
>
> Which group is "this group"; tri.gen certainly ain't.
Tom comes to you courtesy of r.b.r, home of LIVEDRUNK! and where the
greeting "Dumbass" is a term of endearment.
Dan
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 06:20:17
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 12, 7:09 am, Roger Connor <racon...@email.unc.edu > wrote:
> Will you PLEASE get this garbage off of rec.heraldry!
>
> Edit your Reply to Newsgroups, Damnit!
>
> I don't care if you discuss how cyclist can get themselves killed, nor
> whose fault it is. But I would blazon the aftermath as:
> Sanguine, a bycicle mangled, proper.
"Happy about a bicycle being properly mangled".
Gotcha.
Thanks for taking a stand. --D-y
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 23:56:43
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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dustoyevsky@mac.com wrote:
> On Jun 12, 7:09 am, Roger Connor <racon...@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>> Will you PLEASE get this garbage off of rec.heraldry!
>>
>> Edit your Reply to Newsgroups, Damnit!
>>
>> I don't care if you discuss how cyclist can get themselves killed, nor
>> whose fault it is. But I would blazon the aftermath as:
>> Sanguine, a bycicle mangled, proper.
>
> "Happy about a bicycle being properly mangled".
>
> Gotcha.
>
> Thanks for taking a stand. --D-y
>
Uuh ... sanguine means blood red; in heraldry I think that means a
shield or coat of arms with a red background, and proper just means
natural color.
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 03:48:14
From: Tuschinski
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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There are a few convenient ommisions in those putting the blame on
cyclists:
1. If a 200 LB cyclist makes an error or takes a risk, he risks HIS
life.
2. If a car driver makes an error or takes a risk, he risks his AND
innocent buystanders life.
Mull over it, the difference is quite big. And it is an undeniable
truth... a car operator who errs can have an infinitely bigger impact
then the cyclist.
Now if we take that line, we come to responsibility. If we consider
that a car driver can be a danger towardfs innocent bystanders, it's
only normal to demand of them to take the utmost care while
approaching situations.
We go a step further, we apply it to the subject at hand.
1. A group of cyclists, 10 MPH impedes trafic.
2. A car tries to squeeze past at 40 MPH
It seems the cyclists are risking annoying the other trafic operators.
it seems the car operator is taking a risk with other persons life. I
think all sensible people see the difference between the consequences
of the respective behavior.
Then we go to Tom Kunich's points
1. A cyclist is aggressive towards a Motorist
2. A car operator is aggressive towards a cyclist.
Whereas Tom will scratch some paint if the car operator is wise and
stays inside, the car operator can endanger Tom's life where Tom has
no escape. Another big difference.
With a car comes great power... and thus responsibility. If you don't
like it, don't use one.
I'll finish with some R/L occasions.
1.
I bicycle-commuted daily to work, passing a very narrow bridge, fourty
yards long, where the speed limit was 10 mph. One day a mother + kid
was cylcing to school, just in front of me. They went 5 mph. While at
the bridge a woman in a car squeezed next to me on the bridge, trying
to overtake the mother and kid.... who frantically tried to stay
abreast of the car. I was stunned and looked inside the car... there
she sat, all sleepy eyed robotting her car to work.. I knocked on her
window and shouted HEY WATCH IT THATS A LITTLE KID YOU ARE PUSHING...
she "woke up" and turned as blank as a paper. She pulled over after
the bridge and stammered appologies.
That she squeezed me to the side on the bridge is bad., But I am an
adult with adroit bike handling skills. Had she done that with the kid
and mother chances would have been a terrible accident.
Now that woman had no ill-will. She was just going to work very early
and was absent minded... it happens to all of us. But she was driving
something that can be lethal to other people.
2.
One for Tom. I was cycling with my girlfriend when we entered an
intersection. We stopped for the red light. A big limo stopped next to
us, brushing me with his mirror. I went over the sidewalk, akwardly
bowled over (thank god I was standing still and the limo went 5 mph).
The owner steps out and steps menacingly towards me, literaly red eyed
asking me to pay for his mirror.... while I was lying bruised on the
ground My GF snapped.... She is black belt Karate and not scared
easily. She took her pump (Zefal HX... LOVE THEM) held it square on
the guys chest and pushed him towards his car. He closed his door and
sped away.
3.
Another one for Tom. A gaggle of teens was crossing the street in a
column. A limo (always limos...) didn't stop and grazed the last teen,
who went over the hood and broke his leg. The car owner stepped out,
walked to the kid and (foaming at the mouth!) started yelling "My
carrrr!!! you damaged my Carrrrr" At that moment the bystanders took
action. We jumped the idot, knocked him to the pavement and waited for
the police.
Suffice to say the police didn't blame the bystanders for getting
violent. But the idiot started to rant to the police officer about his
car. The police officer said one thing to him "Sir if I were you I
would shut the fuck up, I am not kindly inclined to someone who
hospitalises another person and acts aggressively to the victim".
So nowadays if I have a dispute with an Car operator and he steps out
of the car I grab my trusty Zefal. I won't threaten him, but one
aggressive move and i hit him over the head with it... A car operator
wich acts aggressively obviously has no resposibility and isn't averse
to endangering others.. i do not take my chances and will make sure I
have my defenses ready.
So damn Tom... I'm with you ;)
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 08:09:20
From: Roger Connor
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Will you PLEASE get this garbage off of rec.heraldry!
Edit your Reply to Newsgroups, Damnit!
I don't care if you discuss how cyclist can get themselves killed, nor
whose fault it is. But I would blazon the aftermath as:
Sanguine, a bycicle mangled, proper.
Regards,
Roger
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 22:40:40
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Roger Connor" <raconnor@email.unc.edu > wrote in message
news:466e8cf0$1_2@news.unc.edu...
> Will you PLEASE get this garbage off of rec.heraldry!
>
> Edit your Reply to Newsgroups, Damnit!
>
> I don't care if you discuss how cyclist can get themselves killed, nor
> whose fault it is. But I would blazon the aftermath as:
> Sanguine, a bycicle mangled, proper.
Funny, I don't see any heraldry in the header.
And as for Mr. Tuschinski - I pretty much have the same attitude. I don't go
looking for trouble, I'm always as polite as possible to drivers.
But that doesn't make any difference. For instance - on the bridge crossing
today I watched large loaded commercial trucks driving 20 mph over the speed
limit. As we approached the Highway 880 interchange there was a cop handing
out a seatbelt ticket. This world has gone completely stark raving mad.
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 00:00:08
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Roger Connor" <raconnor@email.unc.edu> wrote in message
> news:466e8cf0$1_2@news.unc.edu...
>> Will you PLEASE get this garbage off of rec.heraldry!
>>
>> Edit your Reply to Newsgroups, Damnit!
>>
>> I don't care if you discuss how cyclist can get themselves killed, nor
>> whose fault it is. But I would blazon the aftermath as:
>> Sanguine, a bycicle mangled, proper.
>
> Funny, I don't see any heraldry in the header.
The guy who was kvetching about it trimmed it.
>
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 21:21:50
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Pudentame" <no.one@no.were.invalid > wrote in message
news:466f6bce$0$4878$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> The guy who was kvetching about it trimmed it.
So you found your big opportunity to tell us all you are Jewish. Bravo, we
are all impressed. Having done that I assume you will not need to continue
using these dumbass Yiddish terms any more than I speak Spansih in this ng.
Thank you
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 16:15:32
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 8, 6:28 pm, "CopperTop" <ccppt...@earthlink.net > wrote:
>
> Well now....isn't that a real intellegent and thoughtful response. No doubt
> all you're capable of.
Hey Dumbass,
Taxes are never fair. Use another argument.
http://www.mises.org/rothbard/mes/chap16c.asp#7._Canons_Justice
http://www.mises.org/rothbard/mes/chap16d.asp
http://www.mises.org/rothbard/mes/chap16e.asp
"The government built a pork-barrel bridge to nowhere. Not fair." --
BF, 1759
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 10:57:11
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Stefan Wolfe wrote:
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:m9qai.2424$tb6.229@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >
> > I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small
> > minority of the roads in this country and almost all of them are freeways
> > or limited access highways.
>
> Yes, and this brings out the sliver lining in the dark cloud of the bicycle
> debate: Bicycles are not permitted on interstate highways.
>
> Permitting them on most major roads and the state highways is the big
> negative but the interstates are off limits. Sanity is restored. This is
> where the government finally recognizes that bicycles are not in fact
> "vehicles".
>
> Can you imagine what a circus our transportation system would be if this
> were not the case?
Bikes and peds, at least. There are also minimum speed limits which
effectively keep farm vehicles (and other, similar examples) off the
Interstate ROW's.
There are places, such as I25 north between Raton and Colorado
Springs, where, since there are no direct route alternatives, the
shoulders of the interstate are indeed marked to allow bicycle
traffic.
This IMHO is a fine example of "sanity".
"The government" (which branch? question begged successfully) always
recognizes bicycles as vehicles as far as I know. That is, the various
States (talkin' USA here) have included a statement in their various
Rules of the Road (compendium of traffic laws) to the effect that
bikes are vehicles, subject to all rules/regulations, with certain
exceptions and special requirements.
The difference you're looking for is "motor vehicle" v. "vehicle".
Other non-motorized means of conveyance are also vehicles. Ask the
Amish...
Everyone (I've never seen an exception <g >) who drives gets impatient
with "holdups", whatever the cause. The difference with some drivers
is the "bikes as scapegoats" attitude (shoe fit?).
You see the same old mistaken arguments over and over. But, bikes are
indeed vehicles, with their "drivers" endowed with the right to go
about their legal business while riding said bikes, just as the
drivers of MV's are given, by law. Gas taxes, etc. etc., have no
application.
If you're buzzing cyclists ("threatening with a deadly weapon"),
threatening by horn or verbal abuse, etc. etc. then _you_ are a
lawbreaker, no matter what the cyclist(s) did or didn't do.
There's a nice, wholesome "grow-up cookie" for you. Good with a nice
cold glass of milk and a napkin for after. Enjoy! --D-y
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 17:37:11
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 8, 3:27 pm, "CopperTop" <ccppt...@earthlink.net > wrote:
> But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have a
> legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes. Not
> fair.
Hey Dumbass,
Taxes are never fair.
Thanks,
SLAVE of THE STATE
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 01:28:45
From: CopperTop
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Well now....isn't that a real intellegent and thoughtful response. No doubt
all you're capable of.
========================
"SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com > wrote in message
news:1181349431.312078.257950@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 8, 3:27 pm, "CopperTop" <ccppt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have a
>> legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes. Not
>> fair.
>
>
>
> Hey Dumbass,
>
> Taxes are never fair.
>
> Thanks,
> SLAVE of THE STATE
>
>
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 10:43:24
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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In article
<hnnai.20099$j63.14133@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net
>,
"CopperTop" <ccppttcc@earthlink.net > wrote:
> Well now....isn't that a real intellegent and thoughtful response. No doubt
> all you're capable of.
>
> ========================
>
>
> "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com> wrote in message
> news:1181349431.312078.257950@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jun 8, 3:27 pm, "CopperTop" <ccppt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have a
> >> legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes. Not
> >> fair.
> >
> > Hey Dumbass,
> >
> > Taxes are never fair.
CopperTop, if you were as smart and considerate and
thoughtful as you present yourself, then you would not top-post.
rec.heraldry removed by request.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 20:08:57
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"CopperTop" <ccppttcc@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:hnnai.20099$j63.14133@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Well now....isn't that a real intellegent and thoughtful response. No
> doubt > all you're capable of.
Talking about intelligent and thoughtful.....
BUT what kind of idiot on a bike
bike riders are idiots
Most bike riders break all the laws
I don't give them an inch or any consideration
Phil H
>
> ========================
>
>
> "SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com> wrote in message
> news:1181349431.312078.257950@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 8, 3:27 pm, "CopperTop" <ccppt...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have
>>> a
>>> legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes.
>>> Not
>>> fair.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Dumbass,
>>
>> Taxes are never fair.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> SLAVE of THE STATE
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 22:27:29
From: CopperTop
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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I started reading all of these post on this subject. But honestly didn't
read all of them.
From my perspective, bicycle riders may very well have a legal right to the
road. But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have a
legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes. Not
fair.
A bike rider will argue he has a right to be there. BUT what kind of idiot
on a bike weighing maybe 200 lbs total is going to get in the street and try
to compete for space with a 60,000 lb truck? A 5000 lb SUV? Hell, even a
1800 lb small car? Legal right or not, bike riders are idiots.
Most bike riders break all the laws. At least 95% of the ones I see around
Charlotte don't slow down for intersections, are arrogant enough to ride in
the middle of the lane and dare to to say anything. They intentionally get
in front of you and slow down, I've seen them move over close to the center
line just to make it as hard as possible for you to pass.
Screw them. I don't give them an inch or any consideration. When the cops
start ticketing them, when the riders start acting with some sense; maybe I
will give them some consierdation but not until then.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 04:38:42
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"CopperTop" <ccppttcc@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:lJkai.18529$Ut6.14718@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>I started reading all of these post on this subject. But honestly didn't
>read all of them.
>
> From my perspective, bicycle riders may very well have a legal right to
> the road. But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they
> have a legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes.
> Not fair.
I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small minority
of the roads in this country and almost all of them are freeways or limited
access highways.
> A bike rider will argue he has a right to be there. BUT what kind of
> idiot on a bike weighing maybe 200 lbs total is going to get in the street
> and try to compete for space with a 60,000 lb truck? A 5000 lb SUV?
> Hell, even a 1800 lb small car? Legal right or not, bike riders are
> idiots.
What kind of idiot is going to threaten a physically fit person much bigger
then themselves in the belief that they can get away with physical threats
because they don't believe they can be identified despite having a license
plate on their car? Tell me exactly what sort of stupid fool breaks several
laws in order to threaten murder on another individual without realizing
that they're committing a felony?
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 13:02:24
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:m9qai.2424$tb6.229@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small
> minority of the roads in this country and almost all of them are freeways
> or limited access highways.
Yes, and this brings out the sliver lining in the dark cloud of the bicycle
debate: Bicycles are not permitted on interstate highways.
Permitting them on most major roads and the state highways is the big
negative but the interstates are off limits. Sanity is restored. This is
where the government finally recognizes that bicycles are not in fact
"vehicles".
Can you imagine what a circus our transportation system would be if this
were not the case?
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 02:31:32
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com > wrote in message
news:466add23$0$4697$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:m9qai.2424$tb6.229@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small
>> minority of the roads in this country and almost all of them are freeways
>> or limited access highways.
>
> Yes, and this brings out the sliver lining in the dark cloud of the
> bicycle debate: Bicycles are not permitted on interstate highways.
>
> Permitting them on most major roads and the state highways is the big
> negative but the interstates are off limits. Sanity is restored. This is
> where the government finally recognizes that bicycles are not in fact
> "vehicles".
>
> Can you imagine what a circus our transportation system would be if this
> were not the case?
Not to point out your ignorance too forcibly but if there's no other side
roads, it is federal law that bicycles be permitted on ANY roads. Fact is
that the bridges across San Francisco bay which do not have a bike lane are
required to supply special transportation for bicycles.
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 00:10:25
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:8oJai.18817$Ut6.16179@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com> wrote in message
> news:466add23$0$4697$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>> news:m9qai.2424$tb6.229@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>> I hate to break this to you but gasoline taxes pay for only a small
>>> minority of the roads in this country and almost all of them are
>>> freeways or limited access highways.
>>
>> Yes, and this brings out the sliver lining in the dark cloud of the
>> bicycle debate: Bicycles are not permitted on interstate highways.
>>
>> Permitting them on most major roads and the state highways is the big
>> negative but the interstates are off limits. Sanity is restored. This is
>> where the government finally recognizes that bicycles are not in fact
>> "vehicles".
>>
>> Can you imagine what a circus our transportation system would be if this
>> were not the case?
>
> Not to point out your ignorance too forcibly but if there's no other side
> roads, it is federal law that bicycles be permitted on ANY roads. Fact is
> that the bridges across San Francisco bay which do not have a bike lane
> are required to supply special transportation for bicycles.
Sanity prevails there as well. No bicycles taking up lanes at 5 mph and
blocking the flow of motorized traffic is permitted. The government merely
provides the means to get across the bridge, not to ride on the bridge.
Thank you for reinforcing my point.
Can you imagine what a circus the traffic on these bridges would be if this
were not the case?
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 14:50:21
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com > wrote in message
news:466b79b3$0$16571$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Sanity prevails there as well. No bicycles taking up lanes at 5 mph and
> blocking the flow of motorized traffic is permitted. The government merely
> provides the means to get across the bridge, not to ride on the bridge.
Perhaps someone with all the physical attributes of the cowardly weaklings
typical of those complaining about cyclists could only do 5 mph, but a
typical pace starts at 15 mph. You know - the same speed you're required to
go whenever children are present near the street?
> Can you imagine what a circus the traffic on these bridges would be if
> this
> were not the case?
Here's the problem - you have absolutely no idea about reality and use your
quite twisted imagination to invent scenarios that make Dante seem dull.
My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 11:04:55
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:NcUai.18918$Ut6.8375@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.
My guess is that your wife cheated on you so you got divorced and you
subsist as a barely functional alchoholic. Am I close?
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 01:12:33
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com > wrote in message
news:466c1319$1$9958$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:NcUai.18918$Ut6.8375@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
>> My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.
>
> My guess is that your wife cheated on you so you got divorced and you
> subsist as a barely functional alchoholic. Am I close?
So I got your weight correct and you are crushed huh?
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 18:06:25
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:5k1bi.19141$Ut6.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com> wrote in message
> news:466c1319$1$9958$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>> news:NcUai.18918$Ut6.8375@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>>> My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.
>>
>> My guess is that your wife cheated on you so you got divorced and you
>> subsist as a barely functional alchoholic. Am I close?
>
> So I got your weight correct and you are crushed huh?
Do you have a nude picture of your ex-wife?
Do you want one?
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Date: 12 Jun 2007 22:41:57
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com > wrote in message
news:466dc763$0$5208$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:5k1bi.19141$Ut6.2258@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> "Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com> wrote in message
>> news:466c1319$1$9958$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
>>> news:NcUai.18918$Ut6.8375@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>
>>>> My guess is that you're at least 100 lbs overweight.
>>>
>>> My guess is that your wife cheated on you so you got divorced and you
>>> subsist as a barely functional alchoholic. Am I close?
>>
>> So I got your weight correct and you are crushed huh?
>
> Do you have a nude picture of your ex-wife?
> Do you want one?
I suggest that if you have a nude picture of her then by all means post it.
I would do with the notoriety.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 23:17:07
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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CopperTop wrote:
> I started reading all of these post on this subject. But honestly didn't
> read all of them.
>
> From my perspective, bicycle riders may very well have a legal right to the
> road. But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have a
> legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes. Not
> fair.
>
FWIW, I expect most cyclists also pay gasoline taxes when they drive
their cars. Those who use a bicycle all the time are a very small
minority, especially in rural NC where they're talking about riding.
But if you want to get on the fairness thing, why should I have to pay
gasoline tax on the gas I buy for my lawnmower. I don't drive it on the
roads, so why should I pay for them?
And in all fairness, the heavier a vehicle is, the higher the gasoline
tax it should pay, since heavier vehicles cause more wear and tear on
the roads
> A bike rider will argue he has a right to be there. BUT what kind of idiot
> on a bike weighing maybe 200 lbs total is going to get in the street and try
> to compete for space with a 60,000 lb truck? A 5000 lb SUV? Hell, even a
> 1800 lb small car? Legal right or not, bike riders are idiots.
>
> Most bike riders break all the laws.
No, a few ignore laws, but certainly not to the extent automobile
drivers do. Surely you're not claiming you've never violated a single
motor vehicle law; never driven one mile over the posted speed limit,
never made a rolling "stop", never been just an eensy-teensy bit late
trying to beat that yellow light ... never driven even 1 foot without
buckling your seatbelt and never, ever, ever, ever driven after
consuming alcohol - even one beer.
If you are, I don't believe you.
So we're back to essential fairness. You can't condemn them for "break
all the laws" unless you can prove your own purity.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 21:29:44
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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CopperTop wrote:
> I started reading all of these post on this subject. But honestly didn't
> read all of them.
>
> From my perspective, bicycle riders may very well have a legal right to the
> road. But my gasoline tax for my car pays for those paved roads they have a
> legal right to. Not fair. My tax money goes to build bike lanes. Not
> fair.
>
> A bike rider will argue he has a right to be there. BUT what kind of idiot
> on a bike weighing maybe 200 lbs total is going to get in the street and try
> to compete for space with a 60,000 lb truck? A 5000 lb SUV? Hell, even a
> 1800 lb small car? Legal right or not, bike riders are idiots.
>
> Most bike riders break all the laws. At least 95% of the ones I see around
> Charlotte don't slow down for intersections, are arrogant enough to ride in
> the middle of the lane and dare to to say anything. They intentionally get
> in front of you and slow down, I've seen them move over close to the center
> line just to make it as hard as possible for you to pass.
>
> Screw them. I don't give them an inch or any consideration. When the cops
> start ticketing them, when the riders start acting with some sense; maybe I
> will give them some consierdation but not until then.
>
>
Ignoramus,
Your perspective is irrelevant.
Have a bad day.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 07:53:25
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 6, 9:19 am, "me" <nos...@nospam.net > wrote:
> > Killfiles are for pussies. --D-y
>
> Ya know pussy you are right about that one. plonk.
You misunderstood.
Anyhow, hey, I read your profile.
"Medicines for Shingles"?
Explains a lot.
--D-y
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 04:56:02
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 6, 11:29 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1181135518.395112.122150@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 8:45 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> >> > <i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > > Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> >> > > yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> >> > > today here in Cary).
>
> >> Except..I'm pretty militant when I ride..I often will tell somebody
> >> that runs red lights they ought to stop at them...I get the same
> >> response...'fuck off'...car drivers have another thing in common, they
> >> vote. When that $ thing comes up that may improve the cyclists lot,
> >> they remember the guy that ran the light and vote accordingly. Stop at
> >> the damn things, not that hard.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Yep, that's about the stupidest thing for a rider to do, especially if
> > they are in full local club kit so they are easily recognized as a
> > member. Then everyone in the club catches the shit because of a couple
> > of people. It's even better when they do it right downtown in front of
> > a hundred or so people too.
>
> I've got to tell you - occasionally I run red lights - because they don't
> change for cyclists. And if it's a light that I hit often and I know it
> isn't going to change AND IF THERE'S NO TRAFFIC I might run it.
>
> But I always respect the right of way of other users of the road.
>
> While I do see some cyclists riding like jerks there are a hell of a lot
> fewer of them than car drivers driving like jerks and the cyclist has a
> whole lot less damage that he can do with his stupidity.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
There are a couple of big problems the cyclist has that the car
doesn't, though you are right about the numbers and somne of the
lights. Pedestrians and drivers both are generally expecting, and
looking for, the worst from cyclists according to all the BS surveys
we see posted and if your club is active locally, as we are, and
people in kit do stupid shit, it almost immediately comes back onto
the club as a whole when the people who see it complain to the towns.
That just gives the towns with cops who don't like cyclists
justification to harrass the hell out of them, and that's happened
here, along with having a much harder time getting approval for our
races because of stupid shit done by riders. It has taken some real
fancy footwork to pacify some of them and get them to let us continue
going through town for our road race due to riders behavior, not
during the race, but in the weeks before when they are scouting and
training.
Bill C
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 07:04:52
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 6, 6:30 am, "me" <nos...@nospam.net > wrote:
> But the facts stand there for you to read and ponder with or without
> my real name eh, Tom?
>
> http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/pbcat/results1.cfm?LOCATION=Statewide&CITY...
"Bicycling as Driving While Black". Yup, if you were on a bike, it was
your fault. We know the mentality, newbie "me".
>
> There is no "us" Tom, it's just you and even if there was an "us" I
> probably would not want to know them either.
Bicycles *are* traffic. Work on that. Start by reading your Rules of
the Road.
>You are a well known
> stalker and usenet PitA.
Correct. He's also right more than twice a day, so he's doing better
than you.
> I have no intention of engaging the likes of you any further. plonk.
Killfiles are for pussies. --D-y
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 10:19:34
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> Killfiles are for pussies. --D-y
>
Ya know pussy you are right about that one. plonk.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 06:11:58
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
On Jun 6, 8:45 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Jun 4, 6:13 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs of
> > steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
> > rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker with
> > a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my face so
> > that I can kick your ass for sure.
>
> > <i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> > > here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> > > see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> > > Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> > > yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> > > today here in Cary).
>
> > > You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
> > > getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
> > > the law themselves.
>
> > > And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
> > > of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
> > > it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
> > > sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
> > > them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
> > > exercise, aren't you?
>
> > > Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
> > > pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
> > > and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
>
> Except..I'm pretty militant when I ride..I often will tell somebody
> that runs red lights they ought to stop at them...I get the same
> response...'fuck off'...car drivers have another thing in common, they
> vote. When that $ thing comes up that may improve the cyclists lot,
> they remember the guy that ran the light and vote accordingly. Stop at
> the damn things, not that hard.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yep, that's about the stupidest thing for a rider to do, especially if
they are in full local club kit so they are easily recognized as a
member. Then everyone in the club catches the shit because of a couple
of people. It's even better when they do it right downtown in front of
a hundred or so people too.
Bill C
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 03:29:43
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1181135518.395112.122150@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 6, 8:45 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> > <i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > > Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
>> > > yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
>> > > today here in Cary).
>>
>> Except..I'm pretty militant when I ride..I often will tell somebody
>> that runs red lights they ought to stop at them...I get the same
>> response...'fuck off'...car drivers have another thing in common, they
>> vote. When that $ thing comes up that may improve the cyclists lot,
>> they remember the guy that ran the light and vote accordingly. Stop at
>> the damn things, not that hard.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Yep, that's about the stupidest thing for a rider to do, especially if
> they are in full local club kit so they are easily recognized as a
> member. Then everyone in the club catches the shit because of a couple
> of people. It's even better when they do it right downtown in front of
> a hundred or so people too.
I've got to tell you - occasionally I run red lights - because they don't
change for cyclists. And if it's a light that I hit often and I know it
isn't going to change AND IF THERE'S NO TRAFFIC I might run it.
But I always respect the right of way of other users of the road.
While I do see some cyclists riding like jerks there are a hell of a lot
fewer of them than car drivers driving like jerks and the cyclist has a
whole lot less damage that he can do with his stupidity.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 09:20:00
From: Roger Connor
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
|
Tom Kunich wrote:
> I've got to tell you - occasionally I run red lights - because they don't
> change for cyclists. And if it's a light that I hit often and I know it
> isn't going to change AND IF THERE'S NO TRAFFIC I might run it.
>
> But I always respect the right of way of other users of the road.
>
> While I do see some cyclists riding like jerks there are a hell of a lot
> fewer of them than car drivers driving like jerks and the cyclist has a
> whole lot less damage that he can do with his stupidity.
>
>
>
First of all, how is this thread related to heraldry (I'm reading
Rec.heraldry) and why was it cross posted?
Secondly, as an automobile driver, I try to be aware of and courteous to
cyclist. On the other hand, idiots on bikes who approach a right hand
intersection at full (normal) speed -KNOWING- that it is a really busy
intersection, and that drivers passing them will be turning, are asking
for injury.
Thirdly, any bike rider that relies on "the law" or the good wishes of
drivers for his own safety is too stupid to live long.
Lastly, Tom's last statement is false - if the cyclist does something
stupid which also involves a car, there will be major physical and
psychological damage to the driver and vehicle, especially if that
causes the cyclist's injury or death.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 22:50:00
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
In article <46680600$1_3@news.unc.edu >,
Roger Connor <raconnor@email.unc.edu > wrote:
> First of all, how is this thread related to heraldry (I'm reading
> Rec.heraldry) and why was it cross posted?
You can trace the References: headers back to the
source. Need I do everything for you? Okay, here it is.
<1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >
Now take it up there and stop whining.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 19:56:15
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-1A6AD0.15500107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <46680600$1_3@news.unc.edu>,
> Roger Connor <raconnor@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>
>> First of all, how is this thread related to heraldry (I'm reading
>> Rec.heraldry) and why was it cross posted?
>
> You can trace the References: headers back to the
> source. Need I do everything for you? Okay, here it is.
> <1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
>
> Now take it up there and stop whining.
What the hell is heraldry anyway?
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:22:15
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com > wrote in message
news:46689b21$0$12508$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rubrum-1A6AD0.15500107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>> In article <46680600$1_3@news.unc.edu>,
>> Roger Connor <raconnor@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> First of all, how is this thread related to heraldry (I'm reading
>>> Rec.heraldry) and why was it cross posted?
>>
>> You can trace the References: headers back to the
>> source. Need I do everything for you? Okay, here it is.
>> <1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Now take it up there and stop whining.
>
> What the hell is heraldry anyway?
It has to do with people who want to tell themselves they're important
because some far distant relative was important.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 00:29:48
From: Mark E Sievert
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:H%hai.18488$Ut6.3429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com> wrote in message
> news:46689b21$0$12508$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:rubrum-1A6AD0.15500107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>>> In article <46680600$1_3@news.unc.edu>,
>>> Roger Connor <raconnor@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> First of all, how is this thread related to heraldry (I'm reading
>>>> Rec.heraldry) and why was it cross posted?
>>>
>>> You can trace the References: headers back to the
>>> source. Need I do everything for you? Okay, here it is.
>>> <1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
>>>
>>> Now take it up there and stop whining.
>>
>> What the hell is heraldry anyway?
>
> It has to do with people who want to tell themselves they're important
> because some far distant relative was important.
Tell themselves? Listen bud, we're telling everybody.
M E Sievert
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 03:45:10
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Mark E Sievert" <Sievert.M@worldnet.att.net > wrote in message
news:0wmai.128083$p47.115317@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:H%hai.18488$Ut6.3429@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> "Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com> wrote in message
>> news:46689b21$0$12508$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:rubrum-1A6AD0.15500107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>>>> In article <46680600$1_3@news.unc.edu>,
>>>> Roger Connor <raconnor@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First of all, how is this thread related to heraldry (I'm reading
>>>>> Rec.heraldry) and why was it cross posted?
>>>>
>>>> You can trace the References: headers back to the
>>>> source. Need I do everything for you? Okay, here it is.
>>>> <1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
>>>>
>>>> Now take it up there and stop whining.
>>>
>>> What the hell is heraldry anyway?
>>
>> It has to do with people who want to tell themselves they're important
>> because some far distant relative was important.
>
> Tell themselves? Listen bud, we're telling everybody.
In your case that's fine. But in most other cases they're all idiots.....
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 01:05:26
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
|
Stefan Wolfe wrote:
>
> What the hell is heraldry anyway?
>
>
Coats of Arms, Family Crests ...
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 00:42:45
From: Mark E Sievert
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com > wrote in message
news:46689b21$0$12508$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:rubrum-1A6AD0.15500107062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>> In article <46680600$1_3@news.unc.edu>,
>> Roger Connor <raconnor@email.unc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> First of all, how is this thread related to heraldry (I'm reading
>>> Rec.heraldry) and why was it cross posted?
>>
>> You can trace the References: headers back to the
>> source. Need I do everything for you? Okay, here it is.
>> <1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Now take it up there and stop whining.
>
> What the hell is heraldry anyway?
From the rec.heraldry FAQ
1: What is rec.heraldry?
========================
The rec.heraldry newsgroup exists for the discussion of coats of arms,
the work and history of heralds, and related topics such as flags,
seals, ceremony and precedence.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 05:45:21
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
On Jun 4, 6:13 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs of
> steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
> rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker with
> a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my face so
> that I can kick your ass for sure.
>
> <i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> > here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> > see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> > Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> > yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> > today here in Cary).
>
> > You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
> > getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
> > the law themselves.
>
> > And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
> > of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
> > it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
> > sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
> > them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
> > exercise, aren't you?
>
> > Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
> > pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
> > and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
Except..I'm pretty militant when I ride..I often will tell somebody
that runs red lights they ought to stop at them...I get the same
response...'fuck off'...car drivers have another thing in common, they
vote. When that $ thing comes up that may improve the cyclists lot,
they remember the guy that ran the light and vote accordingly. Stop at
the damn things, not that hard.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 15:58:30
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
<i_tell_it_like_it_is_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
Well thanks for straightening us out on that one. Now, how do we get
drivers to do the same thing? Those 37 000 vehicular deaths a year on US
roads are a little embarrassing, don't you think.
Phil H
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 20:05:31
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote in message
news:xqadnXzZ-OM8d_jbnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> <i_tell_it_like_it_is_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
>> here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
>> see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> Well thanks for straightening us out on that one. Now, how do we get
> drivers to do the same thing? Those 37 000 vehicular deaths a year on US
> roads are a little embarrassing, don't you think.
Phil, to be fair, I had some cycling friends who had to move to NC for a
couple of years and they told me that the clubs there would take up the
whole road and ride slowly and not pull over to allow traffic to pass all
the time.
Now nevertheless there are seldom roads in which a driver would be held us
as much as 30 seconds behind such a group and what we're seeing here is some
mentally disturbed people crying that they could drive any speed they wanted
for a couple of seconds because of someone they feel should have shivered in
fear from their obvious superior strength - meaning weight of metal.
In my estimation we should hunt down these sorts of people are put them in
state run mental facilities to determine why they would develop such anger
at people who aren't frightened by them.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 16:43:20
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
|
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:fEiai.18504$Ut6.1051@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice> wrote in message
> news:xqadnXzZ-OM8d_jbnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> <i_tell_it_like_it_is_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
>>> here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will
>>> probably
>>> see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>>
>> Well thanks for straightening us out on that one. Now, how do we get
>> drivers to do the same thing? Those 37 000 vehicular deaths a year on
>> US roads are a little embarrassing, don't you think.
>
> Phil, to be fair, I had some cycling friends who had to move to NC for
> a couple of years and they told me that the clubs there would take up
> the whole road and ride slowly and not pull over to allow traffic to
> pass all the time.
Well, I understand how their riding has evolved into such action but you
wouldn't find me riding with people like that. On the other hand, the
mentality of the people against cyclists in this thread is exactly the
reason I ride the way I do and for the routes I choose. Not that I'm a
wilting violet but avoiding conflict when disadvantaged works best for
me.
Phil H
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 12:56:37
From:
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 5, 12:48 pm, Derek Mark Edding <d...@earthlink.net > wrote:
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> There could be any number of obstructions in the road around a "blind"
> curve - not just a bicyclist. A cop writing a ticket. A fallen tree.
> A farmer's tractor. A stalled driver. Someone walking across to their
> mailbox. I've seen all of these in the past couple of months. If you
> plow into something or someone out of your own carelessness, you take
> the chance of having a manslaughter charge and jail time as a result.
Thanks to his postings, if we could identify him, it could now be
second degree murder.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 16:03:21
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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<cyclintom@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181073397.747763.252590@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 5, 12:48 pm, Derek Mark Edding <d...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> There could be any number of obstructions in the road around a
>> "blind"
>> curve - not just a bicyclist. A cop writing a ticket. A fallen
>> tree.
>> A farmer's tractor. A stalled driver. Someone walking across to
>> their
>> mailbox. I've seen all of these in the past couple of months. If
>> you
>> plow into something or someone out of your own carelessness, you
>> take
>> the chance of having a manslaughter charge and jail time as a
>> result.
>
> Thanks to his postings, if we could identify him, it could now be
> second degree murder.
>
Unfortunately the statistics do not bear your assertion out:
Fault
Bicyclist at Fault
Both at Fault
Fault cannot be determined
Motorist at Fault
Neither at Fault
Unknown
Totals
2005
475
66
0
269
2
164
976
Totals
475
66
0
269
2
164
976
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 02:41:32
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"me" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
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> Unfortunately the statistics do not bear your assertion out:
Then you shouldn't have any problem telling us your real name.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 07:30:23
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:w9p9i.13946$296.1349@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> "me" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:%jj9i.28105$JQ3.14205@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> Unfortunately the statistics do not bear your assertion out:
>
> Then you shouldn't have any problem telling us your real name.
>
>
But the facts stand there for you to read and ponder with or without
my real name eh, Tom?
http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/pbcat/results1.cfm?LOCATION=Statewide&CITY=&CNTY=®ION=&LEVEL=Bicycle&Y1997=&Y1998=&Y1999=&Y2000=&Y2001=&Y2002=&Y2003=&Y2004=&Y2005=Yes&type=5&V_FIELD=FAULT&LVL=BIKE_A&PERSON=
There is no "us" Tom, it's just you and even if there was an "us" I
probably would not want to know them either. You are a well known
stalker and usenet PitA. Your passion for bicycles has overtaken
reason and you combative outlook on life has made you a bitter, angry
person with no soul.
Your other passion for airing your dirty laundry on usenet is also
something that I find de classe.
http://www.google.com/search?q=divorce+++%22Tom+Kunich%22&sa=N&tab=gw
http://www.cycletrack.net/parts/helmet/thread74.html
I have no intention of engaging the likes of you any further. plonk.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 03:07:59
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"me" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
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> There is no "us" Tom, it's just you and even if there was an "us" I
> probably would not want to know them either. You are a well known stalker
> and usenet PitA. Your passion for bicycles has overtaken reason and you
> combative outlook on life has made you a bitter, angry person with no
> soul.
Here's the bottom line - you have never been delayed by more than a couple
of seconds by bicyclists anywhere in your entire life and you believe that
those couple of seconds qualifies you to pass judgement on those people as
being less than human.
You deserve to have your ass kicked over and over again. Too bad you're a
coward and can't face it.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 07:48:06
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Don't worry 'me', the pharmacies open around 9 am and he can get his
prescription list checked.
-g
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 12:44:38
From:
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 5, 11:23 am, "me" <nos...@nospam.net > wrote:
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> Additionally, I am not required by law to risk my life avoiding those
> thumbing their noses at Darwin, while I am within the posted speed
> limits. (see the reasonable man statutes) so for your own health and
> safety, I respectfully suggest that you do pay attention.
In case you're unaware of it, ALL OPERATORS OF MOTOR VEHICLE ARE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SAFE OPERATION OF THEIR VEHICLES.
You see you ARE required by law to never injure another person on the
road whether or not he is breaking the law. Overtaking vehicles are
ALWAYS required to operate at a speed at which they can stop
regardless of any other circumstances.
I know that's difficult for drivers to understand that they should be
severely penalized for unsafe operation of thousands of pounds of self-
propelled vehicles but in a sane society you would be jailed the
second you took a single chance with someone else's life.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 12:40:09
From:
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 5, 11:10 am, "geoff" <nos...@nospam.com > wrote:
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> So, the guy who wants to kick ass, please call the Cary police and let them
> know you will be kicking their ass. I am sure they will have a reply for
> you.
I see that you still don't seem to have a grasp on the difference
between a MOTOR vehicle and a vehicle. Moreover, you don't seem to
understand what "self propelled" means in the context of law.
That's OK though, I'm sure that a police officer will be more than
happy to explain it to you as he is writing you up when you fail to
give a cyclist sufficient room when passing.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 21:21:07
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> That's OK though, I'm sure that a police officer will be more than
> happy to explain
I am talking about cyclists impeding traffic, try to keep up, and you are
right, the police will explain it. That is why I called the watch commander
today and asked again. The law says:
'every rider of a bicycle upon a highway shall be subject to the provisions
of [Chapter 20 (Motor Vehicles)'
. . . got it? Did you see the word 'motor'?
Morons.
-g
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 17:46:45
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>>That's OK though, I'm sure that a police officer will be more than
>>happy to explain
>
>
> I am talking about cyclists impeding traffic, try to keep up, and you are
> right, the police will explain it. That is why I called the watch commander
> today and asked again. The law says:
>
> 'every rider of a bicycle upon a highway shall be subject to the provisions
> of [Chapter 20 (Motor Vehicles)'
>
> . . . got it? Did you see the word 'motor'?
>
Ignoramus,
Bicycles are not motor vehicles. Bicycles are not subject to all
provisions of Chapter 20.
NC. §20-4.01 (49).
...for the purposes of this Chapter [20] bicycles shall be deemed
vehicles and every rider of a bicycle upon a highway shall be subject to
the provisions of this Chapter applicable to the driver of a vehicle
*except those which by their nature can have no application.*
“...except those which by their nature can have no application.” means
that certain obligations of motorists are not applicable to bicyclists.
Some of these exceptions are noted below.
§20-7. Issuance and renewal of drivers licenses.
(a) License Required. - To drive a motor vehicle on a highway, a person
must be licensed by the Division under this Article or Article 2C of
this Chapter to drive the vehicle and must carry the license while
driving the vehicle.
The requirement for a driver’s license applies only to those who want to
drive a motor vehicle. Motor vehicle operators must also have insurance,
and motor vehicles must be registered, inspected, and be assessed for
property taxes.
§20-138.1. Impaired driving.
(e) Exception. - Notwithstanding the definition of "vehicle" pursuant to
G.S. 20-4.01(49), for purposes of this section the word "vehicle" does
not include a horse, bicycle, or lawnmower. (1983, c. 435, s. 24; 1989,
c. 711, s. 2; 1993, c. 285, s. 1.)
Bicycle operators are exempt from statutes governing impaired driving.
§20-141. Speed restrictions.
(h) No person shall operate a motor vehicle on the highway at such a
slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic
except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in
compliance with law; provided, this provision shall not apply to farm
tractors and other motor vehicles operating at reasonable speeds for the
type and nature of such vehicles.
This statute applies to motor vehicles, not bicycle vehicles, and
clearly exempts those vehicles that have limited operating speeds due to
their design and use.
Ch 20 also directs motorists to turn their headlights on when their
windshield wipers are on, but this does not apply to bicycles which do
not have windshield wipers. I could go on, but you are not worth the
effort. Oh, but please pass this information on the the Cary Police.
Have a bad day.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 22:28:55
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Ok good, you have a worthy life goal, impede traffic and if a policeman
should ccome, you can explain the law to him, and like the other guy, kick
his ass.
Also, rather than write here, call the watch commander at the Cary police,
call him an ignoramus, and tell him if a bicycle is impeding traffic, he can
do nothing.
Nice job.
-g
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 19:11:30
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
> Ok good, you have a worthy life goal, impede traffic and if a policeman
> should ccome, you can explain the law to him,
Been there done that three times. Each time they said, "Have a nice
day." Police officers are sometimes as misinformed as the general public.
So once again, bicycle drivers cannot impede traffic. We are traffic,
and we are allowed to go slow.
and like the other guy, kick
> his ass.
>
> Also, rather than write here, call the watch commander at the Cary police,
> call him an ignoramus, and tell him if a bicycle is impeding traffic, he can
> do nothing.
>
> Nice job.
>
I don't make the laws, I just cite them. If you, others of the public,
or police officers don't know them or can't understand them or
misinterpret them in some way, then I'll try to explain. If you all
persist in ignoring the laws as written and my careful explanations,
then ignoramus is an apt description.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 23:40:37
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> Been there done that three times. Each time they said, "Have a nice day."
You mean he did not say, 'what an exciting life you have, impeding traffic
then telling off the public and the police'?
> I don't make the laws, I just cite them. If you, others of the public, or
> police officers don't know them or can't understand them or misinterpret
> them in some way, then I'll try to explain.
Now how did that happen, you got so smart and the Cary police so dumb?
Also, do not forget to kick their ass as the other guy said.
-g
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 04:17:08
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"geoff" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
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>> Been there done that three times. Each time they said, "Have a nice day."
>
> You mean he did not say, 'what an exciting life you have, impeding traffic
> then telling off the public and the police'?
>
>> I don't make the laws, I just cite them. If you, others of the public, or
>> police officers don't know them or can't understand them or misinterpret
>> them in some way, then I'll try to explain.
>
> Now how did that happen, you got so smart and the Cary police so dumb?
>
> Also, do not forget to kick their ass as the other guy said.
Maybe you haven't been in a courtroom recently to discover how often the
police are quite wrong.
But by all means tell us how the Cary police told you personally that a
pedestrian walking on the road when there's no sidewalk may be legally run
over.
We have a word for people like you here - dumbasses.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 09:49:13
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> We have a word for people like you here - dumbasses.
I think you meant retards.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:18:50
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> I think you meant retards.
No, he knows everything, say you are sorry to him.
-g
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 06:46:39
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> But by all means tell us how the Cary police told you personally that a
> pedestrian walking on the road when there's no sidewalk may be legally run
> over.
Ok, I will, the Cary police did not tell me that and that is what is not
being discussed.
Join your buddy from here and go impede traffic. Such wonderful and
exciting people you all are and your life goals of impeding traffic.
-g
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 02:51:31
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"geoff" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
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>> But by all means tell us how the Cary police told you personally that a
>> pedestrian walking on the road when there's no sidewalk may be legally
>> run over.
>
> Ok, I will, the Cary police did not tell me that and that is what is not
> being discussed.
>
> Join your buddy from here and go impede traffic. Such wonderful and
> exciting people you all are and your life goals of impeding traffic.
You seem to believe that somehow a bicycle has less rights on the road than
a pedestrian. But by all means continue your ignorance until your untimely
end.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 22:25:51
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> We have a word for people like you here - dumbasses.
You have once again insulted the dumbasses of this, and every other,
newsgroup.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 22:58:02
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>>Been there done that three times. Each time they said, "Have a nice day."
>
>
> You mean he did not say, 'what an exciting life you have, impeding traffic
> then telling off the public and the police'?
>
>
>>I don't make the laws, I just cite them. If you, others of the public, or
>>police officers don't know them or can't understand them or misinterpret
>>them in some way, then I'll try to explain.
>
>
> Now how did that happen, you got so smart and the Cary police so dumb?
>
> Also, do not forget to kick their ass as the other guy said.
>
> -g
>
>
I guess you are not going to cut your losses, but will continue to
display the hallmark of an ignoramus. Trust me, you should slink away
with your tail between your legs and live to fight another battle that
you know something about.
Have a bad day.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 06:59:29
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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BTW, there are many people driving to work in the morning on roads like
Davis Drive, be sure to show up during rush hour and especially make sure to
impede motor vehicles. By 9 am, you can relax and think what a great
morning you had and you can look forward to the lunch and evening impedement
activities.
-g
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 06:44:08
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> I guess you are not going to cut your losses
Nope, no losses, you are such a moron, everyone is wrong but you are right,
correct?
. . . but why post here when you could be outside impeding traffic, go for
it, your life must be so amazing.
-g
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 12:37:32
From:
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 5, 10:43 am, Wayne Pein <w...@nc.rr.com > wrote:
> me wrote:
> > I do not object to bicycles on the roads, nor do I want to
> > unintentionally (or even intentionally) harm or kill anyone. :)
>
> > It occurs to me that some of the riders around here ride closer to
> > each other than three feet apart. Often times they are leisurely
> > riding two abreast down the road having a conversation when they are
> > approached from behind (if I am driving, going below the posted speed)
> > by a 4-6 ton truck towing a trailer. They probably do not realize that
> > in some cases a truck like this does not slow from 50 to 5 mph quickly
> > enough to not hit them. The only alternative then is to pass. If I am
> > pulling around a pair of bicyclists with a trailer and oncoming car or
> > truck (often going to fast) appears suddenly, guess who gets squeezed?
> > To me, these bicyclists are the equivalent of drivers whose priority
> > is a cell phone conversation.
>
> > Alternatively there are serious riders that stay right, move at a good
> > clip, are generally respectful and aware of the traffic and do not
> > have priorities other than riding. These people generally do not
> > become speed bumps.
>
> > I think if both parties (drivers and bicyclists) use their heads and
> > *pay attention* on the road, giving respect to the other person, most
> > times things work out. However it does not take a rocket surgeon to
> > know that riding a bicycle on the same road with 2-10 ton vehicle (and
> > some of the nut cases driving them) is *dangerous*. I suggest that if
> > you are out for a leisurely ride to chat and not pay particular
> > attention to what you are doing, there are approximately 7000 acres
> > (an area 8 miles long and 2 miles wide) in the center of the triangle
> > that has paved roads and is almost empty on the weekends, it is called
> > the RTP. IMO this is a *much* safer alternative for most of the
> > recreational bicycle riders I see on the county roads.
>
> There should never be the *need* to pass rather than slow. All vehicle
> drivers should be able to come to a complete stop in time to avoid
> hitting a stationary object, like a vehicle stopped at a traffic signal.
> A moving bicyclist creates significant margin for error.
>
> Bicyclists need not pay attention to passing motorists. It is the
> responsibility of those wishing to pass to pay attention and to pass
> safely.
And it's more than time that those who believe that they have the
right to pass anywhere and at any time because their vehicle is
capable of greater speeds than yours to be arrested and taken directly
to jail.
This will happen as the price of gas goes up and it becomes more
apparent to the citizens of this country that the superiority complex
assumed by drivers is a mental problem that can be reduced only with
penal penalty.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 12:32:16
From:
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 4, 8:43 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" <ste...@eml.com > wrote:
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in messagenews:4V19i.18148$j63.16992@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> > Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs of
> > steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
> > rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker
> > with a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my
> > face so that I can kick your ass for sure.
>
> This is symtomatic of the psychological side effects of those in this sport
> who take testosterone injections to improve their performance. Suggest you
> lay off the juice for a while, bro.
While I may have been a bit over the top you need to understand what
it's like riding a bicycle on the street. Surely there are people who
do not give motor vehicles their proper right of way when it is
demanded by law. But most cyclists respect other's rights regardless
they run lights or stop signs when no other traffic is present.
Here's some of the experiences I've seen or had:
I approached a light heading east. Two other cyclists pull into the
middle lane coming in the opposite direction since the right lane was
a right turn only lane. A truck pulled up behind them intending to
turn left and started screaming names at them and shouted "If you
don't get out of in front of me I'll KILL YOU!" The light was still
red, the truck couldn't proceed and the bicyclists could accelerate
faster than the truck. I was standing directly next to a cop parked on
the sidewalk in full view of the stupid truck driver. His window was
open. I asked, "What are you going to do about that?" He replied,
"Nothing," started his car, pulled off the sidewalk, turned right and
drove away before the light changed. Luckily as he turned the dumbass
truck driver spotted him and toned down and as the light changed the
cyclists were long gone before he could even put the truck in gear.
A couple of months ago I was riding on a street in Concord that is
almost a freeway early in the morning. There was no traffic at all on
the road. This road has two lanes in each direction. I was on the
shoulder of the road and there was a turn off into a housing area at
that point so there was a right turn lane divided from the main road
by 40 feet of cross-hatch striped divider. (This is termed an "island"
and it is illegal to drive on them.) A vehicle traveling well over the
maximum speed limit crossed from the fast lane all the way across the
other lane, the island and the right turn lane and came within inches
of me and then swerved out into the fast lane again.
I could add another dozen experiences to these stories - but the point
is that if you haven't the slightest clue about what cyclists have to
content with you ought to keep your comments to yourself of expect
more than a disproportionate response.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 16:46:27
From: derFahrer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 4, 8:52 pm, VeloMel...@gmail.com wrote:
> Good troll. Nicely done. Not a single swear word in there, good
> spelling, and usage of a classic Jim Varney catch-phrase. All-in-all,
> a solid 6 out of 10. Might have gotten a 7 or 7.5 if he had posted to
> rbm instead of rbr.
Too obvious ... been done too many times ... subject line gives it
away. 2 out of 10.
rbm would definitely raise it though.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 07:35:19
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 4, 5:35 pm, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> today here in Cary).
> You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
> getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
> the law themselves.
>
> And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
> of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
> it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
> sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
> them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
> exercise, aren't you?
>
> Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
> pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
> and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
From:
http://www.cicle.org/cicle_content/pivot/entry.php?id=1035
(Headline):
<New Florida law gives cyclists 3-foot buffer >
Note, "the cops like it". Read for yourself.
--D-y
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 12:00:15
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> From:
>
> http://www.cicle.org/cicle_content/pivot/entry.php?id=1035
>
> (Headline):
> <New Florida law gives cyclists 3-foot buffer>
>
> Note, "the cops like it". Read for yourself.
>
> --D-y
>
I do not object to bicycles on the roads, nor do I want to
unintentionally (or even intentionally) harm or kill anyone. :)
It occurs to me that some of the riders around here ride closer to
each other than three feet apart. Often times they are leisurely
riding two abreast down the road having a conversation when they are
approached from behind (if I am driving, going below the posted speed)
by a 4-6 ton truck towing a trailer. They probably do not realize that
in some cases a truck like this does not slow from 50 to 5 mph quickly
enough to not hit them. The only alternative then is to pass. If I am
pulling around a pair of bicyclists with a trailer and oncoming car or
truck (often going to fast) appears suddenly, guess who gets squeezed?
To me, these bicyclists are the equivalent of drivers whose priority
is a cell phone conversation.
Alternatively there are serious riders that stay right, move at a good
clip, are generally respectful and aware of the traffic and do not
have priorities other than riding. These people generally do not
become speed bumps.
I think if both parties (drivers and bicyclists) use their heads and
*pay attention* on the road, giving respect to the other person, most
times things work out. However it does not take a rocket surgeon to
know that riding a bicycle on the same road with 2-10 ton vehicle (and
some of the nut cases driving them) is *dangerous*. I suggest that if
you are out for a leisurely ride to chat and not pay particular
attention to what you are doing, there are approximately 7000 acres
(an area 8 miles long and 2 miles wide) in the center of the triangle
that has paved roads and is almost empty on the weekends, it is called
the RTP. IMO this is a *much* safer alternative for most of the
recreational bicycle riders I see on the county roads.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 09:36:06
From: Gerald Belton
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:00:15 -0400, "me" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote:
>It occurs to me that some of the riders around here ride closer to
>each other than three feet apart. Often times they are leisurely
>riding two abreast down the road having a conversation when they are
>approached from behind (if I am driving, going below the posted speed)
>by a 4-6 ton truck towing a trailer. They probably do not realize that
>in some cases a truck like this does not slow from 50 to 5 mph quickly
>enough to not hit them. The only alternative then is to pass.
If you are driving your vehicle so fast that when you see an object in
the roadway you can't stop before hitting it, then you are driving too
fast.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 18:27:55
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Gerald Belton wrote:
.
>
> If you are driving your vehicle so fast that when you see an object in
> the roadway you can't stop before hitting it, then you are driving too
> fast.
>
NCGS 20-140. Reckless Driving
(a) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway or any public
vehicular area carelessly and heedlessly in willful or wanton disregard
of the rights or safety of others shall be guilty of reckless driving.
(b) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway or any public
vehicular area without due caution and circumspection and at a speed or
in a manner so as to endanger or be likely to endanger any person or
property shall be guilty of reckless driving.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 14:57:04
From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe laws
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Pudentame wrote:
>
> NCGS 20-140. Reckless Driving
>
> (a) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway or any public
> vehicular area carelessly and heedlessly in willful or wanton disregard
> of the rights or safety of others shall be guilty of reckless driving.
> (b) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway or any public
> vehicular area without due caution and circumspection and at a speed or
> in a manner so as to endanger or be likely to endanger any person or
> property shall be guilty of reckless driving.
e.g. - those lazily bicycling 5 mph - two abreast - upon a
twisting, forested two-lane blacktop country road with a
45-55mph speed limit.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:34:25
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe
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Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
> Pudentame wrote:
>
>
>>NCGS 20-140. Reckless Driving
>>
>> (a) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway or any public
>>vehicular area carelessly and heedlessly in willful or wanton disregard
>>of the rights or safety of others shall be guilty of reckless driving.
>>(b) Any person who drives any vehicle upon a highway or any public
>>vehicular area without due caution and circumspection and at a speed or
>>in a manner so as to endanger or be likely to endanger any person or
>>property shall be guilty of reckless driving.
>
>
> e.g. - those lazily bicycling 5 mph - two abreast - upon a
> twisting, forested two-lane blacktop country road with a
> 45-55mph speed limit.
Dweezil,
Quit the BS. First, it's unlikely two bicyclists riding abreast will be
doing only 5 mph. Second, the roads are designed so that a motorist can
come to a complete stop prior to striking a stationary object.
Bicyclists, even doing 5 mph, provide significant margin for error.
Third, the speed limit is applicable if conditions allow. Sometimes they
don't. Quit whining.
You're a classic self-serving victim blamer.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:43:23
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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me wrote:
> I do not object to bicycles on the roads, nor do I want to
> unintentionally (or even intentionally) harm or kill anyone. :)
>
> It occurs to me that some of the riders around here ride closer to
> each other than three feet apart. Often times they are leisurely
> riding two abreast down the road having a conversation when they are
> approached from behind (if I am driving, going below the posted speed)
> by a 4-6 ton truck towing a trailer. They probably do not realize that
> in some cases a truck like this does not slow from 50 to 5 mph quickly
> enough to not hit them. The only alternative then is to pass. If I am
> pulling around a pair of bicyclists with a trailer and oncoming car or
> truck (often going to fast) appears suddenly, guess who gets squeezed?
> To me, these bicyclists are the equivalent of drivers whose priority
> is a cell phone conversation.
>
> Alternatively there are serious riders that stay right, move at a good
> clip, are generally respectful and aware of the traffic and do not
> have priorities other than riding. These people generally do not
> become speed bumps.
>
> I think if both parties (drivers and bicyclists) use their heads and
> *pay attention* on the road, giving respect to the other person, most
> times things work out. However it does not take a rocket surgeon to
> know that riding a bicycle on the same road with 2-10 ton vehicle (and
> some of the nut cases driving them) is *dangerous*. I suggest that if
> you are out for a leisurely ride to chat and not pay particular
> attention to what you are doing, there are approximately 7000 acres
> (an area 8 miles long and 2 miles wide) in the center of the triangle
> that has paved roads and is almost empty on the weekends, it is called
> the RTP. IMO this is a *much* safer alternative for most of the
> recreational bicycle riders I see on the county roads.
>
There should never be the *need* to pass rather than slow. All vehicle
drivers should be able to come to a complete stop in time to avoid
hitting a stationary object, like a vehicle stopped at a traffic signal.
A moving bicyclist creates significant margin for error.
Bicyclists need not pay attention to passing motorists. It is the
responsibility of those wishing to pass to pay attention and to pass
safely.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 18:25:38
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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As pointed out in the other post, you do not know what you're talking about.
-g
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:23:25
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:4665a0bb$0$9940$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> me wrote:
>
>> I do not object to bicycles on the roads, nor do I want to
>> unintentionally (or even intentionally) harm or kill anyone. :)
>>
>> It occurs to me that some of the riders around here ride closer to
>> each other than three feet apart. Often times they are leisurely
>> riding two abreast down the road having a conversation when they
>> are approached from behind (if I am driving, going below the posted
>> speed) by a 4-6 ton truck towing a trailer. They probably do not
>> realize that in some cases a truck like this does not slow from 50
>> to 5 mph quickly enough to not hit them. The only alternative then
>> is to pass. If I am pulling around a pair of bicyclists with a
>> trailer and oncoming car or truck (often going to fast) appears
>> suddenly, guess who gets squeezed? To me, these bicyclists are the
>> equivalent of drivers whose priority is a cell phone conversation.
>>
>> Alternatively there are serious riders that stay right, move at a
>> good clip, are generally respectful and aware of the traffic and do
>> not have priorities other than riding. These people generally do
>> not become speed bumps.
>>
>> I think if both parties (drivers and bicyclists) use their heads
>> and *pay attention* on the road, giving respect to the other
>> person, most times things work out. However it does not take a
>> rocket surgeon to know that riding a bicycle on the same road with
>> 2-10 ton vehicle (and some of the nut cases driving them) is
>> *dangerous*. I suggest that if you are out for a leisurely ride to
>> chat and not pay particular attention to what you are doing, there
>> are approximately 7000 acres (an area 8 miles long and 2 miles
>> wide) in the center of the triangle that has paved roads and is
>> almost empty on the weekends, it is called the RTP. IMO this is a
>> *much* safer alternative for most of the recreational bicycle
>> riders I see on the county roads.
>
> There should never be the *need* to pass rather than slow. All
> vehicle drivers should be able to come to a complete stop in time to
> avoid hitting a stationary object, like a vehicle stopped at a
> traffic signal. A moving bicyclist creates significant margin for
> error.
>
> Bicyclists need not pay attention to passing motorists. It is the
> responsibility of those wishing to pass to pay attention and to pass
> safely.
>
> Wayne
>
Wayne thank you kindly for your response. Out of respect and concern I
must say the following.
The problem appears to be that you think (like some motorists) that it
is always the other guy that needs to watch out and work around
whatever you want to do. Obviously you have never pulled a 11,000lb
livestock truck over back country roads. I invite you to try out here
some nice Saturday in May.
Besides being risky for the valuable animals, you would find very
quickly there is no way to stop and still control the vehicle when
rounding a curve or coming over a hill an encountering two bicyclists
riding abreast. Believe me, there are many deer possums and squirrels
that have found this to be true during their last moments on earth.
Additionally, I am not required by law to risk my life avoiding those
thumbing their noses at Darwin, while I am within the posted speed
limits. (see the reasonable man statutes) so for your own health and
safety, I respectfully suggest that you do pay attention.
See: http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm
Denning L.J. in Morton vs. Wheeler said
"if a reasonable man, taking such contingencies into account and
giving close attention to the state of affairs would say: 'I think
there is quite a chance that someone going along the road may be
injured if this stays as it is', then it is a danger; but if the
possibility of injury is so remote that he would dismiss it out of
hand saying: 'Of course it is possible but not in the least probable'
then it is not a danger"".
I would argue that this opinion applies equally to bicycles as well as
motorists.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 19:48:43
From: Derek Mark Edding
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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me wrote:
> Besides being risky for the valuable animals, you would find very
> quickly there is no way to stop and still control the vehicle when
> rounding a curve or coming over a hill an encountering two bicyclists
> riding abreast. Believe me, there are many deer possums and squirrels
> that have found this to be true during their last moments on earth.
>
> Additionally, I am not required by law to risk my life avoiding those
> thumbing their noses at Darwin, while I am within the posted speed
> limits. (see the reasonable man statutes) so for your own health and
> safety, I respectfully suggest that you do pay attention.
You, sir, are in denial. "I'm driving a big heavy truck, I'm plunging
along out of control and y'all better clear the road." If you are not
able to respond to changing conditions in the road ahead, then you are
driving recklessly. The fact that you are hauling a large, heavy
trailer adds to your level of responsibility - it does not pass it on to
everyone else.
There could be any number of obstructions in the road around a "blind"
curve - not just a bicyclist. A cop writing a ticket. A fallen tree.
A farmer's tractor. A stalled driver. Someone walking across to their
mailbox. I've seen all of these in the past couple of months. If you
plow into something or someone out of your own carelessness, you take
the chance of having a manslaughter charge and jail time as a result.
-dreq
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 15:59:01
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Derek Mark Edding" <dreq@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:v6j9i.1239$tb6.409@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> me wrote:
>> Besides being risky for the valuable animals, you would find very
>> quickly there is no way to stop and still control the vehicle when
>> rounding a curve or coming over a hill an encountering two
>> bicyclists riding abreast. Believe me, there are many deer possums
>> and squirrels that have found this to be true during their last
>> moments on earth.
>>
>> Additionally, I am not required by law to risk my life avoiding
>> those thumbing their noses at Darwin, while I am within the posted
>> speed limits. (see the reasonable man statutes) so for your own
>> health and safety, I respectfully suggest that you do pay
>> attention.
>
> You, sir, are in denial. "I'm driving a big heavy truck, I'm
> plunging along out of control and y'all better clear the road." If
> you are not able to respond to changing conditions in the road
> ahead, then you are driving recklessly. The fact that you are
> hauling a large, heavy trailer adds to your level of
> responsibility - it does not pass it on to everyone else.
>
> There could be any number of obstructions in the road around a
> "blind" curve - not just a bicyclist. A cop writing a ticket. A
> fallen tree. A farmer's tractor. A stalled driver. Someone walking
> across to their mailbox. I've seen all of these in the past couple
> of months. If you plow into something or someone out of your own
> carelessness, you take the chance of having a manslaughter charge
> and jail time as a result.
>
Uh-huh like this one:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2305031
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:50:29
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
|
me wrote:
>
>
> Wayne thank you kindly for your response. Out of respect and concern I
> must say the following.
>
> The problem appears to be that you think (like some motorists) that it
> is always the other guy that needs to watch out and work around
> whatever you want to do. Obviously you have never pulled a 11,000lb
> livestock truck over back country roads. I invite you to try out here
> some nice Saturday in May.
>
> Besides being risky for the valuable animals, you would find very
> quickly there is no way to stop and still control the vehicle when
> rounding a curve or coming over a hill an encountering two bicyclists
> riding abreast. Believe me, there are many deer possums and squirrels
> that have found this to be true during their last moments on earth.
Dear Me,
What do you do if there is a car stopped in the road? Bash it? No, you
come to a controlled stop. That is your responsibility, and you are
required to drive slow enough and have your vehicle in control to be
able to do so. If it requires driving even slower, so be it. It is NOT
the responsibility of vehicle users, including bicyclists, to watch out
from behind.
>
> Additionally, I am not required by law to risk my life avoiding those
> thumbing their noses at Darwin, while I am within the posted speed
> limits. (see the reasonable man statutes) so for your own health and
> safety, I respectfully suggest that you do pay attention.
Me,
Again, YOU must control your vehicle.
§20-141. Speed restrictions.
(a) No person shall drive a vehicle on a highway or in a public
vehicular area at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under
the conditions then existing.
(m) The fact that the speed of a vehicle is lower than the foregoing
limits shall not relieve the operator of a vehicle from the duty to
decrease speed as may be necessary to avoid colliding with any person,
vehicle or other conveyance on or entering the highway, and to avoid
injury to any person or property.
Let me say it another way for you. All drivers must travel no faster
than sight distance and conditions allow them to slow or stop to avoid
colliding with other traffic moving slower or stopped in the road ahead.
The default safe speed in a traffic lane at a given point is the speed
of the slowest user, whether it is a bicycle, farm tractor, transit bus,
or any legally slow(ed) or stopped vehicle or crossing pedestrian.
>
> See: http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm
>
> Denning L.J. in Morton vs. Wheeler said
> "if a reasonable man, taking such contingencies into account and
> giving close attention to the state of affairs would say: 'I think
> there is quite a chance that someone going along the road may be
> injured if this stays as it is', then it is a danger; but if the
> possibility of injury is so remote that he would dismiss it out of
> hand saying: 'Of course it is possible but not in the least probable'
> then it is not a danger"".
>
> I would argue that this opinion applies equally to bicycles as well as
> motorists.
I would argue that you are the type of person who tries to blame the victim.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 15:16:41
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:4665b075$0$16739$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> me wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>> Wayne thank you kindly for your response. Out of respect and
>> concern I must say the following.
>>
>> The problem appears to be that you think (like some motorists) that
>> it is always the other guy that needs to watch out and work around
>> whatever you want to do. Obviously you have never pulled a 11,000lb
>> livestock truck over back country roads. I invite you to try out
>> here some nice Saturday in May.
>>
>> Besides being risky for the valuable animals, you would find very
>> quickly there is no way to stop and still control the vehicle when
>> rounding a curve or coming over a hill an encountering two
>> bicyclists riding abreast. Believe me, there are many deer possums
>> and squirrels that have found this to be true during their last
>> moments on earth.
>
> Dear Me,
>
> What do you do if there is a car stopped in the road? Bash it? No,
> you come to a controlled stop. That is your responsibility, and you
> are required to drive slow enough and have your vehicle in control
> to be able to do so. If it requires driving even slower, so be it.
> It is NOT the responsibility of vehicle users, including bicyclists,
> to watch out from behind.
>
OK Wayne,
I think you are intentionally being thick.
One last time, then I give up. A car stopped on the road is illegal.
If a car is stopped in the middle of the road out of the line of site
of oncoming traffic it is parked illegally. If I bash it while I am
within the posted speed limit and I cannot see it, the operator of
that vehicle is responsible and will be ticketed. However in you case
the ticket would be given to you heirs :)
>>
>> Additionally, I am not required by law to risk my life avoiding
>> those thumbing their noses at Darwin, while I am within the posted
>> speed limits. (see the reasonable man statutes) so for your own
>> health and safety, I respectfully suggest that you do pay
>> attention.
>
> Me,
>
> Again, YOU must control your vehicle.
>
> §20-141. Speed restrictions.
> (a) No person shall drive a vehicle on a highway or in a public
> vehicular area at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent
> under the conditions then existing.
Bicycles riding two abrest are not reasonable and prudent and
therefore unexpected.
> (m) The fact that the speed of a vehicle is lower than the foregoing
> limits shall not relieve the operator of a vehicle from the duty to
> decrease speed as may be necessary to avoid colliding with any
> person, vehicle or other conveyance on or entering the highway, and
> to avoid injury to any person or property.
>
> Let me say it another way for you. All drivers must travel no faster
> than sight distance and conditions allow them to slow or stop to
> avoid colliding with other traffic moving slower or stopped in the
> road ahead. The default safe speed in a traffic lane at a given
> point is the speed of the slowest user, whether it is a bicycle,
> farm tractor, transit bus, or any legally slow(ed) or stopped
> vehicle or crossing pedestrian.
>
Nope you are wrong. There have been many fatalities of bicyclists that
have been ruled not the fault of the driver and you know it. I hope
you are never in that situation, but if you are, it will be your
fault.
>>
>> See: http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/risks.htm
>>
>> Denning L.J. in Morton vs. Wheeler said
>> "if a reasonable man, taking such contingencies into account and
>> giving close attention to the state of affairs would say: 'I think
>> there is quite a chance that someone going along the road may be
>> injured if this stays as it is', then it is a danger; but if the
>> possibility of injury is so remote that he would dismiss it out of
>> hand saying: 'Of course it is possible but not in the least
>> probable' then it is not a danger"".
>>
>> I would argue that this opinion applies equally to bicycles as well
>> as motorists.
>
> I would argue that you are the type of person who tries to blame the
> victim.
>
> Wayne
>
I would argue that you are unreasonable in the face of reason and
intentionally argumentative. Good luck with that attitude in real
life.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 16:38:39
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"me" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:fEi9i.28086$JQ3.5000@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
... > One last time, then I give up. A car stopped on the road is illegal.
> If a car is stopped in the middle of the road out of the line of site of
> oncoming traffic it is parked illegally. If I bash it while I am within
> the posted speed limit and I cannot see it, the operator of that vehicle
> is responsible and will be ticketed. However in you case the ticket would
> be given to you heirs :)
>
>>>
>>> Additionally, I am not required by law to risk my life avoiding those
>>> thumbing their noses at Darwin, while I am within the posted speed
>>> limits. (see the reasonable man statutes) so for your own health and
>>> safety, I respectfully suggest that you do pay attention.
>>
>> Me,
>>
Yeah, you are. One of the near absolutes in traffic ticketing is that if
someone hits another legal vehicle from the rear, either the one that hits
from the rear gets a ticket or neither gets a ticket (extenuating
circumstances). The general assumption is that you drive within your vision
and your brakes - failing to do so is a violation. Period.
You come around a curve and fail to stop for a motorist in an accident
stopped on the roadway, a bicyclist legally using the roadway or a drunk
lying in the road, you better start making up excuses and hope you end up in
front of a relative as judge in court.
And as someone that HAS driven livestock trucks and driven a lot in
livestock areas, you better be able to stop before hitting a grown piece of
roaming livestock, especially a steer (or worse, a farmer checking the crops
from the roadway at 5 mph). I've had to stop for at least one or the other
in every state west of the Mississippi and a few states East (spent half an
hour outside of Hutchinson, KS once trying to figure out what a stubborn
steer was going to do next). And in the East there were all those pesky
deer. People that overdrive their vision, headlights and/or brakes are
idiots - in any state of the U.S. of A.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 02:46:50
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@the-md-russells.org > wrote in message
news:obadnaj_28QTVPjbnZ2dnUVZ_s2vnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> And as someone that HAS driven livestock trucks and driven a lot in
> livestock areas, you better be able to stop before hitting a grown piece
> of roaming livestock, especially a steer (or worse, a farmer checking the
> crops from the roadway at 5 mph). I've had to stop for at least one or the
> other in every state west of the Mississippi and a few states East (spent
> half an hour outside of Hutchinson, KS once trying to figure out what a
> stubborn steer was going to do next). And in the East there were all those
> pesky deer. People that overdrive their vision, headlights and/or brakes
> are idiots - in any state of the U.S. of A.
I came across a cattle drive that went down the public roads for 5 miles and
I swear every one of the 200 head had diarrhea. The cow crap on the road was
literally 4" deep and it would have been absolutely impossible to stop if
you were driving more than a couple of mph.
me is a cowardly bastard who hides behind his anonymity in order to
demonstrate his absolute ignorance of the vehicle code. Called a cop huh?
What a fucking liar.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:32:30
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:uep9i.13947$296.9478@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
.
>
> I came across a cattle drive that went down the public roads for 5 miles
> and I swear every one of the 200 head had diarrhea. The cow crap on the
> road was literally 4" deep and it would have been absolutely impossible to
> stop if you were driving more than a couple of mph.
>
> me is a cowardly bastard who hides behind his anonymity in order to
> demonstrate his absolute ignorance of the vehicle code. Called a cop huh?
> What a fucking liar.
>
Among the 'things' that I have come up on way too fast, but able to stop in
time include several herds of cattle, harrowers and combines. The harrowers
bothered me the most, especially as someone in a convertible was vivisected
shortly before one of my closer stops - he in a convertible Mercedes and me
in my much cheaper convertible Fiat 124.
The poop is bad enough in a convertible - it is a real pain on a bike. As
are the inevitable cattle gaurd grates.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 03:05:51
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@the-md-russells.org > wrote in message
news:koidnc9hee6GNPvbnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote in message
> news:uep9i.13947$296.9478@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>> I came across a cattle drive that went down the public roads for 5 miles
>> and I swear every one of the 200 head had diarrhea. The cow crap on the
>> road was literally 4" deep and it would have been absolutely impossible
>> to stop if you were driving more than a couple of mph.
>>
> Among the 'things' that I have come up on way too fast, but able to stop
> in time include several herds of cattle, harrowers and combines. The
> harrowers bothered me the most, especially as someone in a convertible was
> vivisected shortly before one of my closer stops - he in a convertible
> Mercedes and me in my much cheaper convertible Fiat 124.
>
> The poop is bad enough in a convertible - it is a real pain on a bike. As
> are the inevitable cattle gaurd grates.
While off work I was doing a ride out to Moraga every Tuesday. Going down
little Pinehurst towards Canyon I used to drop the cars who thought that
they were too powerful to "wait" behind a bicycle. On one corner there's a
large Redwood growing up the shoulder adjacent to the road. Since there's a
sharp right turn past that huge tree even the Ferraris tend to slow below
the speed of a cyclist.
As for the others posting here about how polite tractor drivers are - that's
absolute crap. Farmers have the right to drive their tractors on the road
when traveling between fields and in California, Oregon, Washington and
Nevada I've followed them doing 5 mph for over 5 miles on many occasions.
Somehow I managed to maintain my ability to drive without killed the tractor
drivers as several posters have hinted is the only thing that should happen
to a cyclist that holds them up for several seconds.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 07:30:00
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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In article
<jCK9i.14186$296.1015@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >
,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> While off work I was doing a ride out to Moraga every Tuesday. Going down
> little Pinehurst towards Canyon I used to drop the cars who thought that
> they were too powerful to "wait" behind a bicycle. On one corner there's a
> large Redwood growing up the shoulder adjacent to the road. Since there's a
> sharp right turn past that huge tree even the Ferraris tend to slow below
> the speed of a cyclist.
There are two redwood tree right-handers; virtual
twins. I would like to do that descent without using
brakes. It's the left-handers uphill of the redwoods
that are problematic. The redwoods are easily
negotiated full throttle, as they have good camber. The
lefties do not.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:59:17
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-3694C2.00300307062007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article
> <jCK9i.14186$296.1015@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>
> ,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> While off work I was doing a ride out to Moraga every Tuesday. Going down
>> little Pinehurst towards Canyon I used to drop the cars who thought that
>> they were too powerful to "wait" behind a bicycle. On one corner there's
>> a
>> large Redwood growing up the shoulder adjacent to the road. Since there's
>> a
>> sharp right turn past that huge tree even the Ferraris tend to slow below
>> the speed of a cyclist.
>
> There are two redwood tree right-handers; virtual
> twins. I would like to do that descent without using
> brakes. It's the left-handers uphill of the redwoods
> that are problematic. The redwoods are easily
> negotiated full throttle, as they have good camber. The
> lefties do not.
I can only remember the one turn that has a redwood right on the edge of the
road. I cut that corner so that sometime I have to twist my head and
shoulder to keep from hitting the trunk. I think that I have many times
ridden down without using the brakes though I don't do that much any more.
There's getting to be too much traffic on it for one thing. And for another,
if there's been mist on the hills there might be slimy leaves on the road.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 18:44:21
From:
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:38:39 -0500, "Curtis L. Russell"
<curtis@the-md-russells.org > wrote:
>And as someone that HAS driven livestock trucks and driven a lot in
>livestock areas, you better be able to stop before hitting a grown piece of
>roaming livestock, especially a steer (or worse, a farmer checking the crops
>from the roadway at 5 mph). I've had to stop for at least one or the other
>in every state west of the Mississippi and a few states East (spent half an
>hour outside of Hutchinson, KS once trying to figure out what a stubborn
>steer was going to do next). And in the East there were all those pesky
>deer. People that overdrive their vision, headlights and/or brakes are
>idiots - in any state of the U.S. of A.
>
>Curtis L. Russell
>Odenton, MD (USA)
Odenton, MD? Last time I was there they still had 5 cent slot
machines..shows how old I am. :)
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 15:45:12
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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me wrote:
> OK Wayne,
>
> I think you are intentionally being thick.
>
> One last time, then I give up. A car stopped on the road is illegal.
No Me, it is not illegal.
> If a car is stopped in the middle of the road out of the line of site
> of oncoming traffic it is parked illegally.
Don't be a buffoon. If a car is stopped in the middle of the road it may
be doing so because of a legitimate reason such as a flagman, an
accident, a crossing deer, congestion, etc. Quit victim blaming. And
learn the rules.
If I bash it while I am
> within the posted speed limit and I cannot see it, the operator of
> that vehicle is responsible and will be ticketed. However in you case
> the ticket would be given to you heirs :)
Hehehehe. You're a hoot. Further, bicyclists don't stop in the middle of
the road. You are clearly displeased with bicycle drivers driving along
the road at less than the posted speed limit. Well, get used to it. Farm
tractors, front loaders, stopped busses and delivery vehicles, etc. are
all slow, and you are required to adjust. Sorry.
> Bicycles riding two abrest are not reasonable and prudent and
> therefore unexpected.
Yes, they are. Farm tractors are as slow as bicycles, and they are
reasonable and prudent aren't they. Further, it is reasonable and
prudent for a single bicyclist to use the full lane, ie ride in the left
tire track.
The NCDOT Driver’s Manual provides the useful guidance, “Bicyclists
usually ride on the right side of the lane, but are entitled to the use
of a full lane....When passing a bicyclist, always remember the
bicyclist is entitled to the use of the full lane.”
Again, you are trying to rationalize your own short comings as a motor
vehicle operator, and transfer the blame to others. You try to couch
your argument as being concerned for bicyclist safety, but you really
are concerned with your own convenience.
>
>
>>(m) The fact that the speed of a vehicle is lower than the foregoing
>>limits shall not relieve the operator of a vehicle from the duty to
>>decrease speed as may be necessary to avoid colliding with any
>>person, vehicle or other conveyance on or entering the highway, and
>>to avoid injury to any person or property.
>>
>>Let me say it another way for you. All drivers must travel no faster
>>than sight distance and conditions allow them to slow or stop to
>>avoid colliding with other traffic moving slower or stopped in the
>>road ahead. The default safe speed in a traffic lane at a given
>>point is the speed of the slowest user, whether it is a bicycle,
>>farm tractor, transit bus, or any legally slow(ed) or stopped
>>vehicle or crossing pedestrian.
>>
>
> Nope you are wrong. There have been many fatalities of bicyclists that
> have been ruled not the fault of the driver and you know it. I hope
> you are never in that situation, but if you are, it will be your
> fault.
Victim blaming. You don't have a clue as to bicyclist-motor vehicle
collision causality or fault statistics, so don't try to fake it.
I think you need to read (m) again.
> I would argue that you are unreasonable in the face of reason and
> intentionally argumentative. Good luck with that attitude in real
> life.
It's served me well for 44 years of bicycle riding so I think I'll stick
with it.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:51:31
From: abby now
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:4665a0bb$0$9940$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Bicyclists need not pay attention to passing motorists. It is the
> responsibility of those wishing to pass to pay attention and to pass
> safely.
This is why motorists hate bicyclists!
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 12:05:00
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 11, 8:43 am, David Phillips <david.phill...@sas.com > wrote:
> As I've written before, when cyclists are cooperative users of the
> roadway, they get cooperation and consideration from me.
>
> When I encounter a group of cyclists, I expect that they will be
> cooperate and be considerate, and I behave accordingly. When they
> prove themselves to be inconsiderate jerks, I treat them as they
> deserve.
>
> I appreciate your concern over my blood pressure. It's low enough to
> cause health care folks to think that I exercise a great deal.
>
> The amount of wear on my vehicle, and fuel expended, is my concern,
> and is insignificant enough that I don't mind making the expenditure
> when warranted.
So acting like a total asshole (quote from thread) is okay when you do
it.
And your blood pressure is fine.
OK. --D-y
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 15:37:21
From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the
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abby now wrote:
>
> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4665a0bb$0$9940$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> > Bicyclists need not pay attention to passing motorists. It is the
> > responsibility of those wishing to pass to pay attention and to pass
> > safely.
>
> This is why motorists hate bicyclists!
It's time for proposing a law here that has been in use in
Germany for at least a number of decades:
"It is a violation of law for the operator of any vehicle
to insist upon his right of way".
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 16:22:57
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Dweezil Dwarftosser" <f4wcs@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:4665BB71.79493D04@yahoo.com...
> abby now wrote:
>>
>> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4665a0bb$0$9940$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> > Bicyclists need not pay attention to passing motorists. It is the
>> > responsibility of those wishing to pass to pay attention and to pass
>> > safely.
>>
>> This is why motorists hate bicyclists!
>
> It's time for proposing a law here that has been in use in
> Germany for at least a number of decades:
> "It is a violation of law for the operator of any vehicle
> to insist upon his right of way".
So what? This is true in most jurisdictions (maybe all) in the U.S. as
well - and means no more than you aren't allowed to use your 'right of way'
to deliberately let an accident happen. If you have the reasonable ability
to prevent an accident (given that a situation may present you with a series
of choices and you may be choosing the best of a bad bunch), you must. That
includes not deliberately cutting off a jerk that overtakes on the right in
a merge lane, as an example. You may have the right of way, but if you speed
up to claim it and hit the other motorist, the jerk will probably win.
The reality is that an anti-cyclist motorist does not want to drive in
Germany or many other European countries, where the onus is on the motorist
to avoid a cyclist absolutely in many situations, excuses be damned.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:40:04
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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abby now wrote:
> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4665a0bb$0$9940$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>Bicyclists need not pay attention to passing motorists. It is the
>>responsibility of those wishing to pass to pay attention and to pass
>>safely.
>
>
> This is why motorists hate bicyclists!
>
>
>
No vehicle operator is required to pay attention to passing vehicles.
This is why there are "problems." Most people are ignorant of the laws.
Abby now, is it nice to hate?
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 11:36:23
From: abby now
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:4665ae04$0$3198$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> abby now wrote:
>
>> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4665a0bb$0$9940$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>>Bicyclists need not pay attention to passing motorists. It is the
>>>responsibility of those wishing to pass to pay attention and to pass
>>>safely.
>> This is why motorists hate bicyclists!
> No vehicle operator is required to pay attention to passing vehicles.
A good driver pays attention to a vehicle passing him. One of the first
things we were taught in Driver's Ed was to always make sure you have an
"out" if the situation gets dangerous.
> This is why there are "problems." Most people are ignorant of the laws.
The problems arise when people think everyone else should watch out for
them. There are cross-walks that posts signs stating that pedestrians have
the right-of-way. Would you step into the street at such location without
looking to make sure the on-coming vehicles actually have time to stop for
you?
> Abby now, is it nice to hate?
I don't hate, I just get irritated.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 18:13:19
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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abby now wrote:
> The problems arise when people think everyone else should watch out for
> them. There are cross-walks that posts signs stating that pedestrians have
> the right-of-way. Would you step into the street at such location without
> looking to make sure the on-coming vehicles actually have time to stop for
> you?
>
Well, your heirs should probably make out and be set for life, although
the lawyers are going to take at least 30%.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 11:56:22
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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abby now wrote:
> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>
>>No vehicle operator is required to pay attention to passing vehicles.
>
>
> A good driver pays attention to a vehicle passing him. One of the first
> things we were taught in Driver's Ed was to always make sure you have an
> "out" if the situation gets dangerous.
>
So, you think having an "out" from passing motorists means that the
bicyclist is paying attention? I don't get it.
Further, I surmise that your "out" means you think bicyclists should
have eyes in the back of our heads and constantly pay attention to
overtaking traffic and bail out to the right when we think a motorist is
going to plow us. Do tell.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 19:00:23
From: Derek Mark Edding
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Wayne Pein wrote:
> Further, I surmise that your "out" means you think bicyclists should
> have eyes in the back of our heads and constantly pay attention to
> overtaking traffic and bail out to the right when we think a motorist is
> going to plow us. Do tell.
>
> Wayne
I'm going to break with usenet tradition and try to be well balanced
here. As a bicycle commuter, being overtaken by motor vehicles is not
something I leave entirely up to chance. I have a rear view mirror
mounted on my glasses, and I always check it when I hear something
overtaking. You can hear a big diesel a long way off.
The NC triangle region has many secondary roads that are two lanes with
no shoulders, the white line is sometimes painted over the dirt and
gravel at the edge. I carefully choose routes that minimize the use of
these roads, but the road planners have not made this easy so far.
If I see a construction dump truck barreling down the oncoming lane and
another truck coming from behind, I start looking for a place to bail.
Sometimes I have to ride offroad, but kevlar belted tires are cheap now.
Who knows, they may have been planning to slow down as they passed...
Maybe.
Some people think of this as a close call. Do it five or six times, and
it's a minute long break in riding. To me it's just cheap insurance.
-dreq
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 19:47:37
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Hence the problem, on the one hand, the NC DOT says bikes are vehicles, with
certain exceptions, and they have the right to occupy a lane just like a
motor vehicle.
On the other hand, when the speed limit is 45 mph, no one wants to be
driving 15 mph, especially when it is rush hour or the person just needs to
be somewhere.
So, the attitude of some bikers is, 'I have as much right to a lane on the
road as any other car and if the cars behind me do not like driving 15 mph,
tough ass, I am within the law'.
The result is pissed off people and possible injuries.
-g
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:16:33
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
> Hence the problem, on the one hand, the NC DOT says bikes are vehicles, with
> certain exceptions, and they have the right to occupy a lane just like a
> motor vehicle.
>
> On the other hand, when the speed limit is 45 mph, no one wants to be
> driving 15 mph, especially when it is rush hour or the person just needs to
> be somewhere.
So people on bikes are not going somewhere? The needs of people who
press the accelerator are more important than the needs of someone who
supplies the engine? Grow up.
>
> So, the attitude of some bikers is, 'I have as much right to a lane on the
> road as any other car and if the cars behind me do not like driving 15 mph,
> tough ass, I am within the law'.
>
> The result is pissed off people and possible injuries.
>
Drive your car like a good boy and don't assault anyone.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 19:41:22
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:46672431$0$9880$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> So people on bikes are not going somewhere?
They seem to have nowhere to go and all day to get there.
Using an exercycle at home would seem to serve this same purpose.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 13:04:51
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Stefan Wolfe wrote:
> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:46672431$0$9880$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>>So people on bikes are not going somewhere?
>
>
> They seem to have nowhere to go and all day to get there.
>
> Using an exercycle at home would seem to serve this same purpose.
>
>
You know nothing about the joys of riding a bike. I suggest you try.
Maybe if would change you from the jerk that you are.
Wayne
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 18:08:16
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:46683ab0$0$1405$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Stefan Wolfe wrote:
>> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:46672431$0$9880$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>>So people on bikes are not going somewhere?
>>
>>
>> They seem to have nowhere to go and all day to get there.
>>
>> Using an exercycle at home would seem to serve this same purpose.
>
> You know nothing about the joys of riding a bike.
You are doing a good job of explaining these joys in this thread. I can tell
you are a joyful person. The 'joy' you think you are experiencing comes from
the biological release of norepinephrine, a natural narcotic experienced by
joggers and others partaking in medium to high levels of muscular exertion.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine
You should not mistake chemical stimulation for the real thing.
>I suggest you try.
Sorry, other than the exercise, it seems to be a pointless activity. I can
accomplish the same thing with my treadmill and not be exposed to all those
alleged 'hostile' motorists who would be aiming their cars at me, trying to
run me over.
> Maybe if would change you from the jerk that you are.
Maybe I could become the humble, level headed citizen that you have shown
yourself to be.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:55:32
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Stefan Wolfe" <stefan@eml.com > wrote in message
news:466881d2$0$12437$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> You are doing a good job of explaining these joys in this thread. I can
> tell you are a joyful person. The 'joy' you think you are experiencing
> comes from the biological release of norepinephrine, a natural narcotic
> experienced by joggers and others partaking in medium to high levels of
> muscular exertion. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine
You really are whacked out aren't you? In the first place wikipedia in
wrong - it takes level 4 or 5 exertion to cause such a release from fit
athletes. Secondly, these are EXACTLY the same chemicals released when you
do hard manual labor. Maybe you ought to explain to us how running on a
treadmill is the same as doing a days work on the loading dock?
And finally, people who don't know anything about cycling seem to have a
great deal to say about it. For instance, the miserable worthless bastards
want to proclaim ALL cyclists sinners because someone at some point in your
life delayed you for 2 seconds. And it is unusual for cyclists to delay
anyone on the road for more than a couple of seconds at the most. Even
drivers on roads where a Century is being held and hundreds of cycles are
using that road are seldom delayed for as much as 5 minutes over 25 or more
miles.
So I find you idiots laughable, stupid and in need of a good ass kicking.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 21:58:33
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Stefan Wolfe wrote:
> You are doing a good job of explaining these joys in this thread.
Look buddy, you and others started this by attacking bicyclists. This
thread isn't about me trying to explain the joys of riding a bike to
you. Read the subject line.
I can tell
> you are a joyful person. The 'joy' you think you are experiencing comes from
> the biological release of norepinephrine, a natural narcotic experienced by
> joggers and others partaking in medium to high levels of muscular exertion.
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine
>
> You should not mistake chemical stimulation for the real thing.
If you think the joys of riding a bike are all about brain chemicals, it
is no wonder you think it is pointless and that running on a treadmill
is similar.
Wayne
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 18:40:44
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> You know nothing about the joys of riding a bike.
For someone who is so joyful, you and some others here sure are hostile a
lot.
-g
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:03:43
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>>You know nothing about the joys of riding a bike.
>
>
> For someone who is so joyful, you and some others here sure are hostile a
> lot.
>
> -g
>
>
When we have to deal with sanctimonious hostile motorists, on the bike
or on the keyboard, we get hostile.
Wayne
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 22:25:16
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> When we have to deal with sanctimonious hostile motorists, on the bike or
> on the keyboard, we get hostile.
Actually, at this point, you're tiresome. You name call, state how you
think things should be, and tough ass for anyone else.
Have a 'joyful' life.
-g
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 21:39:25
From: mal
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Geoff, we understand.
You're are surely not the biggest arsehole out here.
"geoff" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:gB%9i.9449$ds2.3124@fe02.news.easynews.com...
>> When we have to deal with sanctimonious hostile motorists, on the bike or
>> on the keyboard, we get hostile.
>
> Actually, at this point, you're tiresome. You name call, state how you
> think things should be, and tough ass for anyone else.
>
> Have a 'joyful' life.
>
> -g
>
>
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 21:54:12
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>>When we have to deal with sanctimonious hostile motorists, on the bike or
>>on the keyboard, we get hostile.
>
>
> Actually, at this point, you're tiresome. You name call, state how you
> think things should be, and tough ass for anyone else.
>
> Have a 'joyful' life.
>
You, among others, start the hostilites by telling bicyclists how we do
things wrong, and expect us to acquiese under your ignorance of the law.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:49:29
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:4668b6c5$0$4662$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> geoff wrote:
>
>>>When we have to deal with sanctimonious hostile motorists, on the bike or
>>>on the keyboard, we get hostile.
>>
>>
>> Actually, at this point, you're tiresome. You name call, state how you
>> think things should be, and tough ass for anyone else.
>>
>> Have a 'joyful' life.
>>
>
> You, among others, start the hostilites by telling bicyclists how we do
> things wrong, and expect us to acquiese under your ignorance of the law.
Cowards are all the same. My guess is that he is extremely agressive towards
cyclists on the road. Hopefully he'll forget that he just buzzed one and
will pull into a gas station close enough for them to catch up.
Funny story - I was riding with two cops, a retired CSI operative, a retired
fireman and a judge when some jackass buzzed us in front of a working cop
and then claimed that we were hogging the road when he was pulled over. He
didn't fair too well with that argument.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 18:49:57
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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geoff wrote:
>> You know nothing about the joys of riding a bike.
>
> For someone who is so joyful, you and some others here sure are
> hostile a lot.
Dude:
You were the one talking about "teaching cyclists to fly in 15 pieces"
weren't you? That sounded pretty hostile to me.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 22:18:44
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> You were the one talking about "teaching cyclists to fly in 15 pieces"
> weren't you? That sounded pretty hostile to me.
Nope, wasn't me.
-g
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 22:42:34
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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geoff wrote:
>> You were the one talking about "teaching cyclists to fly in 15 pieces"
>> weren't you? That sounded pretty hostile to me.
>
> Nope, wasn't me.
Right you are, I got you confused with the small tosser. Sorry about that.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:26:30
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> So people on bikes are not going somewhere?
Nope, that is why I am sure you have been called for a special mission.
That mission is for you to get out there, during rush hour if you can, and
make those bastards in cars drive 15 mph.
Another poster mentioned a truck coming up on him, for you, your mission is
to cut him off, let him know you are the man, and if has to go 15 in a 45 or
55 because of you, then it is his tough luck, he can suffer.
You are such a great man, I can see that now.
-g
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:43:42
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>>So people on bikes are not going somewhere?
>
>
> Nope, that is why I am sure you have been called for a special mission.
> That mission is for you to get out there, during rush hour if you can, and
> make those bastards in cars drive 15 mph.
>
> Another poster mentioned a truck coming up on him, for you, your mission is
> to cut him off, let him know you are the man, and if has to go 15 in a 45 or
> 55 because of you, then it is his tough luck, he can suffer.
>
> You are such a great man, I can see that now.
>
> -g
>
>
Poor victimized motorist! All those bicyclists ruining your life.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:11:00
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
> Hence the problem, on the one hand, the NC DOT says bikes are vehicles, with
> certain exceptions, and they have the right to occupy a lane just like a
> motor vehicle.
>
> On the other hand, when the speed limit is 45 mph, no one wants to be
> driving 15 mph, especially when it is rush hour or the person just needs to
> be somewhere.
>
> So, the attitude of some bikers is, 'I have as much right to a lane on the
> road as any other car and if the cars behind me do not like driving 15 mph,
> tough ass, I am within the law'.
>
> The result is pissed off people and possible injuries.
>
Hence the problem, on the one hand, the NC DOT says farm tractors are
vehicles, with certain exceptions, and they have the right to occupy a
lane just like a motor vehicle.
On the other hand, when the speed limit is 45 mph, no one wants to be
driving 15 mph, especially when it is rush hour or the person just needs
to be somewhere.
So, the attitude of some farm tractor drivers is, 'I have as much right
to a lane on the road as any other vehicle and if the cars behind me do
not like driving 15 mph, tough ass, I am within the law'.
Wayne
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 14:45:53
From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe laws
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Wayne Pein wrote:
>
> Hence the problem, on the one hand, the NC DOT says farm
> tractors are vehicles, with certain exceptions, and they
> have the right to occupy a lane just like a motor vehicle.
There's a world of difference between a farm combine on the
road a short distance (travelling between fields) and you.
It has been my experience that:
- the farm implement is quite large; easily visible more than
a quarter-mile away, under any road condition.
- the driver of the farm implement has to be there; disrupting
and delaying traffic for fun probably doesn't enter his mind.
- the driver of the farm implement pays attention to the traffic
around him.
- the driver of the farm implement will PULL OVER to permit the
line of traffic that has grown behind him to pass, whenever
the space to do so presents itself.
This is true without even mentioning the lazy, corrupt college
boys infesting the NC DOT with the traffic *CONTROL* philosophy
they've been taught - instead of the traffic *FLOW* goals used
in the DOTs of more-enlightened states.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:21:56
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe
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Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
> There's a world of difference between a farm combine on the
> road a short distance (travelling between fields) and you.
> It has been my experience that:
>
> - the farm implement is quite large; easily visible more than
> a quarter-mile away, under any road condition.
I wear hi viz jerseys easily visible more than a quarter mile away.
> - the driver of the farm implement has to be there; disrupting
> and delaying traffic for fun probably doesn't enter his mind.
The driver of a bicycle is there; disrupting and delaying traffic for
fun doesn't enter his or her mind.
> - the driver of the farm implement pays attention to the traffic
> around him.
Bicycle drivers pay attention to traffic in front of them, where
attention is supposed to be held. We know motorists are behind because
we can hear their loud gas burning engines and other mechanical noises.
> - the driver of the farm implement will PULL OVER to permit the
> line of traffic that has grown behind him to pass, whenever
> the space to do so presents itself.
A bicycle driver may pull over to permit the line of traffic to pass,
but generally there is no line because motorists squeeze by the narrow
bicycle which usually is already pulled over to facilitate motorists.
>
> This is true without even mentioning the lazy, corrupt college
> boys infesting the NC DOT with the traffic *CONTROL* philosophy
> they've been taught - instead of the traffic *FLOW* goals used
> in the DOTs of more-enlightened states.
This is irrelevant, but if it makes you happy to spew, go ahead.
Wayne
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 22:27:56
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe laws that govern them.
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You sound like perfect, I bet you ate all you carrots too as a boy.
-g
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 14:24:44
From: David Phillips
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:11:00 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com >
wrote:
>geoff wrote:
>
>> Hence the problem, on the one hand, the NC DOT says bikes are vehicles, with
>> certain exceptions, and they have the right to occupy a lane just like a
>> motor vehicle.
>>
>> On the other hand, when the speed limit is 45 mph, no one wants to be
>> driving 15 mph, especially when it is rush hour or the person just needs to
>> be somewhere.
>>
>> So, the attitude of some bikers is, 'I have as much right to a lane on the
>> road as any other car and if the cars behind me do not like driving 15 mph,
>> tough ass, I am within the law'.
>>
>> The result is pissed off people and possible injuries.
>>
>
>Hence the problem, on the one hand, the NC DOT says farm tractors are
>vehicles, with certain exceptions, and they have the right to occupy a
>lane just like a motor vehicle.
>
>On the other hand, when the speed limit is 45 mph, no one wants to be
>driving 15 mph, especially when it is rush hour or the person just needs
>to be somewhere.
>
>So, the attitude of some farm tractor drivers is, 'I have as much right
>to a lane on the road as any other vehicle and if the cars behind me do
>not like driving 15 mph, tough ass, I am within the law'.
>
>Wayne
A considerate tractor driver will periodically pull over to the side
when it's safe, and traffic has started to back up behind the tractor,
esp. on a road with few passing opportunities.
I've yet to encounter a gaggle of bicyclists out on similar roads,
riding to take up the entire lane, that will do anything to help cars
behind THEM get past.
I have no problem with the concept of sharing the road with slower
vehicles, including bicyclists.
I have the utmost contempt for those rude operators, of any type of
vehicle, that do not cooperate with other operators.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:28:28
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"David Phillips" <david.phillips@sas.com > wrote in message
news:d4jg635c97aq59mql72krjhurh62l8uskc@4ax.com...
>
> A considerate tractor driver will periodically pull over to the side
> when it's safe, and traffic has started to back up behind the tractor,
> esp. on a road with few passing opportunities.
A combine takes the entire road and cannot pull over. In the Dakotas a
Real(tm) combine can take up a 4-lane road.
> I've yet to encounter a gaggle of bicyclists out on similar roads,
> riding to take up the entire lane, that will do anything to help cars
> behind THEM get past.
Yeah, sure. 40 people riding single file down a narrow road. Maybe they
ought to stop and hold their bicycles over the edge of the road so that you
can pass without wasting maybe 30 seconds.
> I have no problem with the concept of sharing the road with slower
> vehicles, including bicyclists.
>
> I have the utmost contempt for those rude operators, of any type of
> vehicle, that do not cooperate with other operators.
My guess is that you have never ever pulled over to let a faster vehicle
pass.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 16:01:57
From: David Phillips
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:28:28 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>"David Phillips" <david.phillips@sas.com> wrote in message
>news:d4jg635c97aq59mql72krjhurh62l8uskc@4ax.com...
>>
>> A considerate tractor driver will periodically pull over to the side
>> when it's safe, and traffic has started to back up behind the tractor,
>> esp. on a road with few passing opportunities.
>
>A combine takes the entire road and cannot pull over. In the Dakotas a
>Real(tm) combine can take up a 4-lane road.
>
>> I've yet to encounter a gaggle of bicyclists out on similar roads,
>> riding to take up the entire lane, that will do anything to help cars
>> behind THEM get past.
>
>Yeah, sure. 40 people riding single file down a narrow road. Maybe they
>ought to stop and hold their bicycles over the edge of the road so that you
>can pass without wasting maybe 30 seconds.
If they were riding single file, I'd have no issue, and would give
them a wide berth.
I would also expect, if such a single file group was reasonable and
cooperative, as I prefer to be, for them to separate some to help me
get by. If they did that, I would move from gap to gap at a fairly
slow relative speed, and even maintaining their speed in between
groups if the situation warranted.
If I get a little cooperation from cyclists, they get it back in turn.
What I would encounter in the Jordan Lake area of Chatham & western
Wake counties were large group of cyclists taking up the road from
shoulder to center line, and making NO effort to help me get past
them.
Those groups get a down shift into second gear, a side-stepped clutch,
and a rapid overtake in our travel lane before I move out to pass
close by.
>
>> I have no problem with the concept of sharing the road with slower
>> vehicles, including bicyclists.
>>
>> I have the utmost contempt for those rude operators, of any type of
>> vehicle, that do not cooperate with other operators.
>
>My guess is that you have never ever pulled over to let a faster vehicle
>pass.
You would guess incorrectly, however, on a two lane country road,
there are NO faster vehicles than I, unless they're well in excess of
the speed limit.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 17:13:25
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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David Phillips wrote:
> What I would encounter in the Jordan Lake area of Chatham & western
> Wake counties were large group of cyclists taking up the road from
> shoulder to center line, and making NO effort to help me get past
> them.
>
> Those groups get a down shift into second gear, a side-stepped clutch,
> and a rapid overtake in our travel lane before I move out to pass
> close by.
>
What a man!
And you get high blood pressure, car wear and tear, increased fuel use,
and the satisfaction that you're a sheep in wolf's clothing.
And guess what? It's not OUR (meaning yours and the bicyclists) travel
lane when you pass bicyclists within it. It's the bicyclists' lane that
you have purposely encroached into.
Wayne
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:43:21
From: David Phillips
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:13:25 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com >
wrote:
>David Phillips wrote:
>
>
>> What I would encounter in the Jordan Lake area of Chatham & western
>> Wake counties were large group of cyclists taking up the road from
>> shoulder to center line, and making NO effort to help me get past
>> them.
>>
>> Those groups get a down shift into second gear, a side-stepped clutch,
>> and a rapid overtake in our travel lane before I move out to pass
>> close by.
>>
>
>What a man!
>
>And you get high blood pressure, car wear and tear, increased fuel use,
>and the satisfaction that you're a sheep in wolf's clothing.
Fortunately for me, I have no concern for your opinion.
>And guess what? It's not OUR (meaning yours and the bicyclists) travel
>lane when you pass bicyclists within it. It's the bicyclists' lane that
>you have purposely encroached into.
I don't care.
As I've written before, when cyclists are cooperative users of the
roadway, they get cooperation and consideration from me.
When I encounter a group of cyclists, I expect that they will be
cooperate and be considerate, and I behave accordingly. When they
prove themselves to be inconsiderate jerks, I treat them as they
deserve.
I appreciate your concern over my blood pressure. It's low enough to
cause health care folks to think that I exercise a great deal.
The amount of wear on my vehicle, and fuel expended, is my concern,
and is insignificant enough that I don't mind making the expenditure
when warranted.
>
>Wayne
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:00:55
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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David Phillips wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:11:00 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com>
>>So, the attitude of some farm tractor drivers is, 'I have as much right
>>to a lane on the road as any other vehicle and if the cars behind me do
>>not like driving 15 mph, tough ass, I am within the law'.
>>
>>Wayne
>
>
> A considerate tractor driver will periodically pull over to the side
> when it's safe, and traffic has started to back up behind the tractor,
> esp. on a road with few passing opportunities.
>
> I've yet to encounter a gaggle of bicyclists out on similar roads,
> riding to take up the entire lane, that will do anything to help cars
> behind THEM get past.
So if there were a "gaggle" of farm tractors they would all pull
entirely off the road to let backing up traffic pass. I think not.
>
> I have no problem with the concept of sharing the road with slower
> vehicles, including bicyclists.
What is your concept of sharing the road with slower vehicles? How
exactly do you share?
>
> I have the utmost contempt for those rude operators, of any type of
> vehicle, that do not cooperate with other operators.
Bicyclists "cooperate" with other operators almost all the time by
letting those other operators pass in the bicyclist's lane. So quit
whining about the very few times that they don't let motorists use their
lane. There is no advantage to bicyclists for having motorists pass in
their lane.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 09:09:18
From: David Phillips
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:00:55 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com >
wrote:
>David Phillips wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 17:11:00 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com>
>
>>>So, the attitude of some farm tractor drivers is, 'I have as much right
>>>to a lane on the road as any other vehicle and if the cars behind me do
>>>not like driving 15 mph, tough ass, I am within the law'.
>>>
>>>Wayne
>>
>>
>> A considerate tractor driver will periodically pull over to the side
>> when it's safe, and traffic has started to back up behind the tractor,
>> esp. on a road with few passing opportunities.
>>
>> I've yet to encounter a gaggle of bicyclists out on similar roads,
>> riding to take up the entire lane, that will do anything to help cars
>> behind THEM get past.
>
>So if there were a "gaggle" of farm tractors they would all pull
>entirely off the road to let backing up traffic pass. I think not.
It would seem you're being deliberately obtuse. A single farm tractor
takes up fair amount of space on the road, and is traveling slowing.
A gaggle of cyclists takes up space similar to the space taken by a
single farm tractor.
Far too many cycling groups on the back roads of western Wake County &
eastern Chatham behave as if the road was their own possession, and
make NO effort to cooperate with motor vehicles.
>
>>
>> I have no problem with the concept of sharing the road with slower
>> vehicles, including bicyclists.
>
>What is your concept of sharing the road with slower vehicles? How
>exactly do you share?
>
>>
>> I have the utmost contempt for those rude operators, of any type of
>> vehicle, that do not cooperate with other operators.
>
>Bicyclists "cooperate" with other operators almost all the time by
>letting those other operators pass in the bicyclist's lane. So quit
>whining about the very few times that they don't let motorists use their
>lane. There is no advantage to bicyclists for having motorists pass in
>their lane.
In my experience, it's almost never. Large groups of cyclists will do
NOTHING to help a faster vehicle overtake them safely, even when that
vehicle approached the group safely, at a moderate rate, and stays
back at a safe distance.
The few cyclists that cooperate to get me past their group get passed
with a wide berth, at a moderate overtaking rate.
Most of the groups get a downshift into the powerband, full throttle,
and the absolute minimum clearance as I go buy. If that puts their
hearts in their throats, good.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:34:00
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"David Phillips" <david.phillips@sas.com > wrote in message
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>
> In my experience, it's almost never. Large groups of cyclists will do
> NOTHING to help a faster vehicle overtake them safely, even when that
> vehicle approached the group safely, at a moderate rate, and stays
> back at a safe distance.
Funny, I used to ride Highway 1 all the time and you know what? I never saw
the operator of a motor home ever pull over even once in many years. While
riding Highway 1 on a bicycle I have been held up plenty by motor homes. The
roads are narrow north of San Francisco and the turns are sharp and are
usually followed by a short climb. A good cyclist can outrun the motor homes
but they cannot get past and if they do on the next flat the motor homes
always pass much too closely only to have to slow for the next turn.
But wait - there are motorhomes out on the roads slowing everyone else down
every single day. My guess is that you have been slowed down very slightly
by bicyclists less than a dozen times in your entire life.
That's why people like you shouldn't be allowed to live.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 16:07:09
From: David Phillips
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:34:00 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>"David Phillips" <david.phillips@sas.com> wrote in message
>news:lqki635greqmqp12hns62aq576f1g0s0st@4ax.com...
>>
>> In my experience, it's almost never. Large groups of cyclists will do
>> NOTHING to help a faster vehicle overtake them safely, even when that
>> vehicle approached the group safely, at a moderate rate, and stays
>> back at a safe distance.
>
>Funny, I used to ride Highway 1 all the time and you know what? I never saw
>the operator of a motor home ever pull over even once in many years. While
>riding Highway 1 on a bicycle I have been held up plenty by motor homes. The
>roads are narrow north of San Francisco and the turns are sharp and are
>usually followed by a short climb. A good cyclist can outrun the motor homes
>but they cannot get past and if they do on the next flat the motor homes
>always pass much too closely only to have to slow for the next turn.
No where in any of my posts have I written that rude behavior by motor
home drivers was excusable.
I have seen motor home drivers pull over for groups of cars.
>But wait - there are motorhomes out on the roads slowing everyone else down
>every single day. My guess is that you have been slowed down very slightly
>by bicyclists less than a dozen times in your entire life.
Again, you guess wrong.
>
>That's why people like you shouldn't be allowed to live.
Nice threat. It's folks like you that give cyclists a bad name.
You've also failed to comprehend what I've written previously. I
gladly share the road with cyclists that will help me get past them on
narrow roads.
I have the utmost contempt of vehicle operators that will deliberately
impede traffic.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 04:28:30
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"David Phillips" <david.phillips@sas.com > wrote in message
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>
> No where in any of my posts have I written that rude behavior by motor
> home drivers was excusable.
You are a driver and they are drivers. Since it is your position that every
cyclist is responsible for the actions of every other cyclist, then my
response is that you are responsible for every other driver on the road as
well.
I have seen motor home drivers pull over for groups of cars.
You are so full of shit it's coming out your ears. Highway 1 is narrow and
very long and slow and it takes a long time to get to any place on it. No
one pulls over for anyone else on that highway.
> You've also failed to comprehend what I've written previously. I
> gladly share the road with cyclists that will help me get past them on
> narrow roads.
Then what are you complaining about now? That cyclists should somehow kiss
your ass because you accept their right to the road?
> I have the utmost contempt of vehicle operators that will deliberately
> impede traffic.
My guess is that you have never seen a cyclist "deliberately impede traffic"
and that you are simply lying about it because you can IMAGINE it so.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 09:35:43
From: David Phillips
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:28:30 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>"David Phillips" <david.phillips@sas.com> wrote in message
>news:0fdj631uld7k84uujf6053qcn9vefoqf5b@4ax.com...
>>
>> No where in any of my posts have I written that rude behavior by motor
>> home drivers was excusable.
>
>You are a driver and they are drivers. Since it is your position that every
>cyclist is responsible for the actions of every other cyclist, then my
>response is that you are responsible for every other driver on the road as
>well.
>
> I have seen motor home drivers pull over for groups of cars.
>
>You are so full of shit it's coming out your ears. Highway 1 is narrow and
>very long and slow and it takes a long time to get to any place on it. No
>one pulls over for anyone else on that highway.
>
>> You've also failed to comprehend what I've written previously. I
>> gladly share the road with cyclists that will help me get past them on
>> narrow roads.
>
>Then what are you complaining about now? That cyclists should somehow kiss
>your ass because you accept their right to the road?
>
>> I have the utmost contempt of vehicle operators that will deliberately
>> impede traffic.
>
>My guess is that you have never seen a cyclist "deliberately impede traffic"
>and that you are simply lying about it because you can IMAGINE it so.
All of your guesses are wrong, and your accusations are based on your
own imagination of what I've written.
Do be careful out there, whether on your bike or in a motor vehicle.
Your words in this thread make be think that you're setting yourself
up for a serious accident.
I hope that it will not be so.
Your words in this thread also make me think that you behave in a
manner that will continue to give motor vehicle operators the
impression that cyclists are total assholes.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 23:58:17
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"David Phillips" <david.phillips@sas.com > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:28:30 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>>
>>My guess is that you have never seen a cyclist "deliberately impede
>>traffic"
>>and that you are simply lying about it because you can IMAGINE it so.
>
> All of your guesses are wrong, and your accusations are based on your
> own imagination of what I've written.
You have to forgive me when I lose my temper Mr. Phillips. It is a rare ride
when someone doesn't take an intentional close pass at me or someone in the
group I'm in. And we only take up the road when there's no other option
open.
Here's what officialdom in the bay area believe - when Chris Robertson got
into an argument with a truck driver, the truck driver threw a wooden chock
at him, pulled around the corner, ran over him and killed him.
The DA refused to press charges against the truck driver until forced to do
so by public outcry and then the judge dismissed the charges claiming
"There's no reason to believe that the truck driver knew that the cyclist
was in his path."
There are a lot of cyclists carrying guns now so my suggestion to you is to
not piss one of those people off.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 17:17:17
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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David Phillips wrote:
>
> Nice threat. It's folks like you that give cyclists a bad name.
>
Spoken by the guy who also wrote:
>>Most of the groups get a downshift into the powerband, full throttle,
>> and the absolute minimum clearance as I go buy. If that puts their
>> hearts in their throats, good.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 17:07:19
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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David Phillips wrote:
>
> You've also failed to comprehend what I've written previously. I
> gladly share the road with cyclists that will help me get past them on
> narrow roads.
And again I directly ask you what your concept of share is? What are you
giving up?
If I share my baloney sandwich with you, what do you share of yours with me?
>
> I have the utmost contempt of vehicle operators that will deliberately
> impede traffic.
Bicyclists do not impede traffic; they are exempt by NC law. Only motor
vehicles which have the capability of faster speed can purposefully and
illegally slow to impede traffic.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 13:48:46
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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David Phillips wrote:
>
> It would seem you're being deliberately obtuse. A single farm tractor
> takes up fair amount of space on the road, and is traveling slowing.
>
> A gaggle of cyclists takes up space similar to the space taken by a
> single farm tractor.
>
> Far too many cycling groups on the back roads of western Wake County &
> eastern Chatham behave as if the road was their own possession, and
> make NO effort to cooperate with motor vehicles.
OTOH, a single farm tractor will continue to block the road until it
comes to a place where it can pull off, IF the operator will pull off;
something they won't *ALWAYS* do. I've been stuck behind plows, harrows
& tobacco cultivators many a time on US 421, and had to follow all the
way from Clinton to Spivey's Corners, waiting for my turn to reach the
front of the pack where I could attempt to pass.
Even if the operator would, that farm tractor cannot move into a single
file that allows other traffic to safely pass; something I frequently
see occur with "gaggles of cyclists".
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 12:14:04
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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David Phillips wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:00:55 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>So if there were a "gaggle" of farm tractors they would all pull
>>entirely off the road to let backing up traffic pass. I think not.
>
>
> It would seem you're being deliberately obtuse. A single farm tractor
> takes up fair amount of space on the road, and is traveling slowing.
>
> A gaggle of cyclists takes up space similar to the space taken by a
> single farm tractor.
>
> Far too many cycling groups on the back roads of western Wake County &
> eastern Chatham behave as if the road was their own possession, and
> make NO effort to cooperate with motor vehicles.
You don't seem to understand, it IS their own possession.
>
>
>>>I have no problem with the concept of sharing the road with slower
>>>vehicles, including bicyclists.
>>
>>What is your concept of sharing the road with slower vehicles? How
>>exactly do you share?
>>
>>
>>>I have the utmost contempt for those rude operators, of any type of
>>>vehicle, that do not cooperate with other operators.
>>
>>Bicyclists "cooperate" with other operators almost all the time by
>>letting those other operators pass in the bicyclist's lane. So quit
>>whining about the very few times that they don't let motorists use their
>>lane. There is no advantage to bicyclists for having motorists pass in
>>their lane.
>
>
> In my experience, it's almost never. Large groups of cyclists will do
> NOTHING to help a faster vehicle overtake them safely, even when that
> vehicle approached the group safely, at a moderate rate, and stays
> back at a safe distance.
>
> The few cyclists that cooperate to get me past their group get passed
> with a wide berth, at a moderate overtaking rate.
There is nothing they can do short of pulling completely off the road
and that simply is not going to happen. Going single file makes the
passing distance longer and more dangerous. Just because you allegedly
pass cautiously doesn't mean all motorists do.
>
> Most of the groups get a downshift into the powerband, full throttle,
> and the absolute minimum clearance as I go buy. If that puts their
> hearts in their throats, good.
Thanks for indicting yourself. See, many motorists do this, whether
bicyclists "cooperate" (ie let motorists use their lane) or not. So,
there is no point in "cooperating." Bullies behind the wheel are a dime
a dozen.
Wayne
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 16:11:03
From: David Phillips
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:14:04 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com >
wrote:
>David Phillips wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:00:55 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>So if there were a "gaggle" of farm tractors they would all pull
>>>entirely off the road to let backing up traffic pass. I think not.
>>
>>
>> It would seem you're being deliberately obtuse. A single farm tractor
>> takes up fair amount of space on the road, and is traveling slowing.
>>
>> A gaggle of cyclists takes up space similar to the space taken by a
>> single farm tractor.
>>
>> Far too many cycling groups on the back roads of western Wake County &
>> eastern Chatham behave as if the road was their own possession, and
>> make NO effort to cooperate with motor vehicles.
>
>
>You don't seem to understand, it IS their own possession.
No more, or less, than it is mine.
If you want to share the road, you must *SHARE* the road.
>>
>>>>I have no problem with the concept of sharing the road with slower
>>>>vehicles, including bicyclists.
>>>
>>>What is your concept of sharing the road with slower vehicles? How
>>>exactly do you share?
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have the utmost contempt for those rude operators, of any type of
>>>>vehicle, that do not cooperate with other operators.
>>>
>>>Bicyclists "cooperate" with other operators almost all the time by
>>>letting those other operators pass in the bicyclist's lane. So quit
>>>whining about the very few times that they don't let motorists use their
>>>lane. There is no advantage to bicyclists for having motorists pass in
>>>their lane.
>>
>>
>> In my experience, it's almost never. Large groups of cyclists will do
>> NOTHING to help a faster vehicle overtake them safely, even when that
>> vehicle approached the group safely, at a moderate rate, and stays
>> back at a safe distance.
>
>
>
>>
>> The few cyclists that cooperate to get me past their group get passed
>> with a wide berth, at a moderate overtaking rate.
>
>There is nothing they can do short of pulling completely off the road
>and that simply is not going to happen. Going single file makes the
>passing distance longer and more dangerous.
Only if they keep the group completely intact. Break into smaller
groups of single file, and I'll be able to get by with no fuss to
either of us.
> Just because you allegedly
>pass cautiously doesn't mean all motorists do.
>
>
>>
>> Most of the groups get a downshift into the powerband, full throttle,
>> and the absolute minimum clearance as I go buy. If that puts their
>> hearts in their throats, good.
>
>Thanks for indicting yourself. See, many motorists do this, whether
>bicyclists "cooperate" (ie let motorists use their lane) or not. So,
>there is no point in "cooperating." Bullies behind the wheel are a dime
>a dozen.
As are bullies on bicycles. You're attempting to bully automobiles by
impeding their progress.
>
>Wayne
>
>
>
>
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 03:50:30
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"David Phillips" <david.phillips@sas.com > wrote in message
news:pndj631bv7l55ceodm6l978dngqu8qsb51@4ax.com...
>
> If you want to share the road, you must *SHARE* the road.
You are quite correct David. But "sharing" doesn't mean, "jumping off of the
road whenever a Royal Motor Vehicle Approaches". That's the problem being
discussed here. These jackasses really want bicycles to stay OFF of the road
because they have to slow one or two mile per hour to pass dangerously close
to them.
What is notable is that the people saying this won't identify themselves.
Maybe you can explain to me this idea of yours that someone that is
constantly under threat of actual murdre by vehicle is "bullying" car
drivers who are passing within inches of them and complaining that they
actually had to slow up to the speed limit to pass?
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 17:03:25
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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David Phillips wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:14:04 -0400, Wayne Pein <wpein@nc.rr.com>
> wrote:
>>You don't seem to understand, it IS their own possession.
>
>
> No more, or less, than it is mine.
>
> If you want to share the road, you must *SHARE* the road.
Huh? Your conception of *share* the road is for you to use MY lane.
What's in it for me? What if I don't want to share my lane with you? Do
you share your lane with beer trucks?
Last I checked, even large groups of bicyclists only used one lane.
>>
>>There is nothing they can do short of pulling completely off the road
>>and that simply is not going to happen. Going single file makes the
>>passing distance longer and more dangerous.
>
>
> Only if they keep the group completely intact. Break into smaller
> groups of single file, and I'll be able to get by with no fuss to
> either of us.
So, the bicyclists who are out for a group ride to enjoy themselves by
talking to each other and enjoying the dynamics of group riding should
sacrifice the reason they are riding so that you can pass in their lane?
Hahahahaha.
>
>
>>Just because you allegedly
>>pass cautiously doesn't mean all motorists do.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Most of the groups get a downshift into the powerband, full throttle,
>>>and the absolute minimum clearance as I go buy. If that puts their
>>>hearts in their throats, good.
>>
>>Thanks for indicting yourself. See, many motorists do this, whether
>>bicyclists "cooperate" (ie let motorists use their lane) or not. So,
>>there is no point in "cooperating." Bullies behind the wheel are a dime
>>a dozen.
>
>
> As are bullies on bicycles. You're attempting to bully automobiles by
> impeding their progress.
Do stopped transit busses bully car drivers too?
No, you are too self and car centric. The bicyclists are riding because
they like to ride. That some motorists may be delayed for a spell is an
unfortunate consequence of that, much like a gaggle of hockey, football,
concert, or other fans who cause others delay when they descend all at
once to a venue.
If you don't like going bicyclists' speed for a spell, change lanes and
pass. If there is oncoming traffic, don't change lanes. Blame your delay
on the oncoming traffic.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:22:02
From: abby now
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com > wrote in message
news:466722e9$0$12454$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> So, the attitude of some farm tractor drivers is, 'I have as much right to
> a lane on the road as any other vehicle and if the cars behind me do not
> like driving 15 mph, tough ass, I am within the law'.
Every farmer I have been behind pulls over and allows cars to pass. I have
personally driven a tractor on a public road and I watched for traffic
behind me and pulled over so they could safely pass. Maybe we had more
thoughtful farmers in the Western part of the state.
You may be well within the law to take up all of the road lane, but that's
not going to protect you when a careless or inexperienced driver plows over
your righteous self.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 22:56:32
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every cycler
had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people have to go 15
mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can go no faster than 15
mph all the way into the triangle.
-g
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 17:21:45
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every cycler
> had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people have to go 15
> mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can go no faster than 15
> mph all the way into the triangle.
Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
Department busy!
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 23:04:00
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> geoff wrote:
>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can
>> go no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>
> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
> Department busy!
You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 21:05:41
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Pudentame wrote:
> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>> geoff wrote:
>>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can
>>> go no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>>
>> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
>> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
>> Department busy!
>
> You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
> atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
Maybe they've BOTH been insulted. Which raises the question:
What if EVERYONE in the world, was some sort of HUGE drama queen that
constantly acted as though EVERYTHING that happened was the most
enormous injustice in the history of the universe and it was aimed at
them PERSONALLY? Then they'd constantly be walking around freaking out
about all sorts of trivial stuff as though they were HUGE ATROCITIES.
I wonder what that would be like? Maybe we should ask the guy who
answers the phone for the Cary Police Department. I'll bet he would know.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 19:06:19
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> Pudentame wrote:
>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>> geoff wrote:
>>>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>>>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>>>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can
>>>> go no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>>>
>>> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
>>> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
>>> Department busy!
>>
>> You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
>> atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
>
> Maybe they've BOTH been insulted. Which raises the question:
>
> What if EVERYONE in the world, was some sort of HUGE drama queen that
> constantly acted as though EVERYTHING that happened was the most
> enormous injustice in the history of the universe and it was aimed at
> them PERSONALLY? Then they'd constantly be walking around freaking out
> about all sorts of trivial stuff as though they were HUGE ATROCITIES.
>
> I wonder what that would be like? Maybe we should ask the guy who
> answers the phone for the Cary Police Department. I'll bet he would know.
Or just read triangle.general regularly.
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 23:15:54
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Pudentame wrote:
<snip >
> Or just read triangle.general regularly.
How come it's not obtuse.triangle.general? Would that be redundant?
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 13 Jun 2007 00:02:24
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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William Asher wrote:
> Pudentame wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> Or just read triangle.general regularly.
>
> How come it's not obtuse.triangle.general? Would that be redundant?
>
There are occasional acute observers.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 14:52:56
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Fred Fredburger" <Spam@spambot.com > wrote in message
news:kuidnYyCtaq_uvfbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Pudentame wrote:
>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>> geoff wrote:
>>>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>>>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>>>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can go
>>>> no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>>>
>>> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
>>> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
>>> Department busy!
>>
>> You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
>> atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
>
> Maybe they've BOTH been insulted. Which raises the question:
>
> What if EVERYONE in the world, was some sort of HUGE drama queen that
> constantly acted as though EVERYTHING that happened was the most enormous
> injustice in the history of the universe and it was aimed at them
> PERSONALLY? Then they'd constantly be walking around freaking out about
> all sorts of trivial stuff as though they were HUGE ATROCITIES.
>
> I wonder what that would be like? Maybe we should ask the guy who answers
> the phone for the Cary Police Department. I'll bet he would know.
You've been watching far too much Paris Hilton.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 09:32:18
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "Fred Fredburger" <Spam@spambot.com> wrote in message
> news:kuidnYyCtaq_uvfbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Pudentame wrote:
>>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>>>>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>>>>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can go
>>>>> no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>>>> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
>>>> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
>>>> Department busy!
>>> You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
>>> atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
>> Maybe they've BOTH been insulted. Which raises the question:
>>
>> What if EVERYONE in the world, was some sort of HUGE drama queen that
>> constantly acted as though EVERYTHING that happened was the most enormous
>> injustice in the history of the universe and it was aimed at them
>> PERSONALLY? Then they'd constantly be walking around freaking out about
>> all sorts of trivial stuff as though they were HUGE ATROCITIES.
>>
>> I wonder what that would be like? Maybe we should ask the guy who answers
>> the phone for the Cary Police Department. I'll bet he would know.
>
> You've been watching far too much Paris Hilton.
Nope, just reading the thread.
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 02:28:05
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Fred Fredburger" <FredFredburger@WhereAreTheNachos.huh > wrote in message
news:wJednVZfH7leSvfbnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> "Fred Fredburger" <Spam@spambot.com> wrote in message
>> news:kuidnYyCtaq_uvfbnZ2dnUVZ_ompnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Pudentame wrote:
>>>> Fred Fredburger wrote:
>>>>> geoff wrote:
>>>>>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>>>>>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>>>>>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can
>>>>>> go no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>>>>> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
>>>>> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
>>>>> Department busy!
>>>> You know, I'm not sure if you've just insulted the Cary Police or
>>>> atheistic genocidal maniacs with weapons of mass destruction.
>>> Maybe they've BOTH been insulted. Which raises the question:
>>>
>>> What if EVERYONE in the world, was some sort of HUGE drama queen that
>>> constantly acted as though EVERYTHING that happened was the most
>>> enormous injustice in the history of the universe and it was aimed at
>>> them PERSONALLY? Then they'd constantly be walking around freaking out
>>> about all sorts of trivial stuff as though they were HUGE ATROCITIES.
>>>
>>> I wonder what that would be like? Maybe we should ask the guy who
>>> answers the phone for the Cary Police Department. I'll bet he would
>>> know.
>>
>> You've been watching far too much Paris Hilton.
>
> Nope, just reading the thread.
Same-o, same-o.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:42:52
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> geoff wrote:
>> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every
>> cycler had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people
>> have to go 15 mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can
>> go no faster than 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
>
> Yeah! And what if all cyclists were atheistic genocidal maniacs with
> weapons of mass destruction? Bet that'd really keep the Cary Police
> Department busy!
And then what if EVERY ONE of those megalomaniacal cyclists had nuclear
tipped TOW missiles and the Cary Police Cruisers moved too slowly to get
out of the missiles way? Then the policeman would be blown up, then
cited for obstructing traffic.
Goddamn cyclists THRIVE on irony. That and ridiculous threads.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 13:09:19
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every cycler
> had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people have to go 15
> mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can go no faster than 15
> mph all the way into the triangle.
>
> -g
>
>
Ignoramus,
You have no idea how many motorists I generously let use my lane for
passing on a daily basis, at no benefit to myself but with potential
risk. And quit your whining. A cry baby motorist sitting on corinthian
leather with the air conditioning on is a pitiful sight.
Wayne
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 02:58:38
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"geoff" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
news:AYG9i.694116$V92.401369@fe09.news.easynews.com...
> It makes me wonder how the laws would change in this state if every cycler
> had the attitude of that guy, occupying a lane and if people have to go 15
> mph, tough. Especially during rush hour, all cars can go no faster than
> 15 mph all the way into the triangle.
You have a very serious mental problem and I believe you had better get it
attended to or else you're going to end up in permanent incarceration for
murder.
Tell us about how often are you slowed to 15 mph and for how long before you
manage to pass that bastard cyclist?
Believe me, I really do want to get my hands on people like you.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 07:45:36
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Hmmmmmm, me the problem but you want to physically assault people, ok.
You make perfect sense. However, save that rage for the cary police when
they come, you can kick their ass if they display any sign of ignorance.
Further, join your other buddy and make those bastards, aka car drivers, go
15 mph. Show them who the man is . . .
-g
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 19:44:59
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"geoff" <nospam@nospam.com > wrote in message
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> Hmmmmmm, me the problem but you want to physically assault people, ok.
I know you can take care of yourself but I suggest you watch out for this
guy...
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 00:08:54
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> I know you can take care of yourself . . .
The way I take care of it is call the police, he can vent his rage on them.
-g
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 21:37:02
From: mal
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Come on Geoff. Of course you have a bug up your ass. You found a newsgroup
on cycling and decided to poke fun, because one day you got stuck behind a
nike rider.
Who cares? I'm a social rider and a full time driver. All of us here are. I
have probably driven more miles than you, and been stuck behind, and besides
bigger arseholes than you have. People who have never ridden a bike. Thinkg
is though, there are some drivers who through their driving and passive
aggressive attitudes, kill people.
So cut your passive aggressive shit out out.
If you want to come on here and flame, think about going somewhere else
where it may contribute something. Go rail on the paedaphile page.
I hate those pricks.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 18:44:17
From: Phil Holman
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"mal" <malcolm1009@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:S6-dnaz-sLizmffbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Come on Geoff. Of course you have a bug up your ass. You found a
> newsgroup on cycling and decided to poke fun, because one day you got
> stuck behind a nike rider.
>
> Who cares? I'm a social rider and a full time driver. All of us here
> are. I have probably driven more miles than you, and been stuck
> behind, and besides bigger arseholes than you have. People who have
> never ridden a bike. Thinkg is though, there are some drivers who
> through their driving and passive aggressive attitudes, kill people.
Wow, someone with more than a fair share of common sense able to put
this in perspective. You're right. I ride a bike about 5,000 miles and
drive my truck about 10,000 miles a year. Out of the truck miles, I've
probably encountered cyclists only a few times where they actually
slowed me down for more than 10 or 20 seconds. I wish I could say that
for all the other traffic out there.
Phil H
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 19:10:10
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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In article <2pednQyWxf7pyvbbnZ2dnUVZ_qKqnZ2d@comcast.com >,
"Phil Holman" <piholmanc@yourservice > wrote:
> "mal" <malcolm1009@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:S6-dnaz-sLizmffbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Come on Geoff. Of course you have a bug up your ass. You found a
> > newsgroup on cycling and decided to poke fun, because one day you got
> > stuck behind a nike rider.
> >
> > Who cares? I'm a social rider and a full time driver. All of us here
> > are. I have probably driven more miles than you, and been stuck
> > behind, and besides bigger arseholes than you have. People who have
> > never ridden a bike. Thinkg is though, there are some drivers who
> > through their driving and passive aggressive attitudes, kill people.
>
> Wow, someone with more than a fair share of common sense able to put
> this in perspective. You're right. I ride a bike about 5,000 miles and
> drive my truck about 10,000 miles a year. Out of the truck miles, I've
> probably encountered cyclists only a few times where they actually
> slowed me down for more than 10 or 20 seconds. I wish I could say that
> for all the other traffic out there.
What's amazing is that the people crying about getting held up are apparently not
smart enough to realize that, once they get past the bike they think has slowed them
down so much, all they have to do is add a bit of pressure to the throttle and pretty
soon (like half a minute or so) they are back to the same place on the road they
would have been if they hadn't encountered the cyclist. Not much effort involved.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 19:05:28
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> What's amazing is that the people crying about getting held up are apparently not
> smart enough to realize that, once they get past the bike they think has slowed them
> down so much, all they have to do is add a bit of pressure to the throttle and pretty
> soon (like half a minute or so) they are back to the same place on the road they
> would have been if they hadn't encountered the cyclist. Not much effort involved.
>
Except for the triangle area, where you're probably gonna get caught in
a REAL traffic jam before you can make up that 30 seconds or so you just
lost.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 03:14:07
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> If you want to come on here and flame, think about going somewhere else
> where it may contribute something.
No I didn't, someone cross posted to include the triangle newsgroups.
I never read bicycle groups and do not care about them.
If you feel that way then do not cross post and keep the messages in your
own group.
-g
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 00:32:32
From: Dan Becker
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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In article <3Woai.23010$ds2.8702@fe02.news.easynews.com >, geoff
<nospam@nospam.com > wrote:
> > If you want to come on here and flame, think about going somewhere else
> > where it may contribute something.
>
> No I didn't, someone cross posted to include the triangle newsgroups.
>
> I never read bicycle groups and do not care about them.
>
> If you feel that way then do not cross post and keep the messages in your
> own group.
The thread was started by I_tell_it_like_it_is, a Triangle poster. He
went trolling for the bike groups. And dragged heraldry into the mix
for inexplicable reasons.
I had a nice ride late this afternoon from 5 Points, out through Cary
to High House Rd. past 55, and back. Hot though. Waved to two of Cary's
finest. They did not arrest me.
Dan
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Date: 11 Jun 2007 19:02:50
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Dan Becker wrote:
> In article <3Woai.23010$ds2.8702@fe02.news.easynews.com>, geoff
> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>> If you want to come on here and flame, think about going somewhere else
>>> where it may contribute something.
>> No I didn't, someone cross posted to include the triangle newsgroups.
>>
>> I never read bicycle groups and do not care about them.
>>
>> If you feel that way then do not cross post and keep the messages in your
>> own group.
>
> The thread was started by I_tell_it_like_it_is, a Triangle poster. He
> went trolling for the bike groups. And dragged heraldry into the mix
> for inexplicable reasons.
Hah! He's a TROLL, what more reason does he need? ;-D
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 23:02:39
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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mal wrote:
> Come on Geoff. Of course you have a bug up your ass. You found a newsgroup
> on cycling and decided to poke fun, because one day you got stuck behind a
> nike rider.
Actually, I think some other ass cross-posted it to tri.gen. Geoff
didn't go looking for it.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:50:18
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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abby now wrote:
> "Wayne Pein" <wpein@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:466722e9$0$12454$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
>
>>So, the attitude of some farm tractor drivers is, 'I have as much right to
>>a lane on the road as any other vehicle and if the cars behind me do not
>>like driving 15 mph, tough ass, I am within the law'.
>
>
> Every farmer I have been behind pulls over and allows cars to pass. I have
> personally driven a tractor on a public road and I watched for traffic
> behind me and pulled over so they could safely pass. Maybe we had more
> thoughtful farmers in the Western part of the state.
The reason farmers do it is because their wide vehicle precludes others
from passing in the lane. Narrow bicyclists are easy to pass for
competent motorists. I do it all the time. Don't you love those
bicyclists who generously allow you to pass using their lane? Happens
all the time doesn't it?
>
> You may be well within the law to take up all of the road lane, but that's
> not going to protect you when a careless or inexperienced driver plows over
> your righteous self.
Thanks for the tip.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:21:31
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> So, the attitude of some farm tractor drivers is, 'I have as much right to
> a lane on the road as any other vehicle and if the cars behind me do not
> like driving 15 mph, tough ass, I am within the law'.
Nope, wrong again, the ones I have been behind pull over and let others
pass.
-g
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 18:22:09
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>> So, the attitude of some farm tractor drivers is, 'I have as much right to
>> a lane on the road as any other vehicle and if the cars behind me do not
>> like driving 15 mph, tough ass, I am within the law'.
>
> Nope, wrong again, the ones I have been behind pull over and let others
> pass.
>
> -g
>
>
Must not get out much then, although FWIW, I see cyclists do the same.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 15:45:33
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Derek Mark Edding wrote:
>
> I'm going to break with usenet tradition and try to be well balanced
> here. As a bicycle commuter, being overtaken by motor vehicles is not
> something I leave entirely up to chance. I have a rear view mirror
> mounted on my glasses, and I always check it when I hear something
> overtaking. You can hear a big diesel a long way off.
>
> The NC triangle region has many secondary roads that are two lanes with
> no shoulders, the white line is sometimes painted over the dirt and
> gravel at the edge. I carefully choose routes that minimize the use of
> these roads, but the road planners have not made this easy so far.
>
> If I see a construction dump truck barreling down the oncoming lane and
> another truck coming from behind, I start looking for a place to bail.
> Sometimes I have to ride offroad, but kevlar belted tires are cheap now.
> Who knows, they may have been planning to slow down as they passed...
> Maybe.
>
> Some people think of this as a close call. Do it five or six times, and
> it's a minute long break in riding. To me it's just cheap insurance.
>
> -dreq
I do the exact opposite. I always use sufficient amount of lane to
compel motorists to slow and be cautious. I commute, and ride 7 days a
week for the last 21 years in NC.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 20:09:00
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> I do the exact opposite. I always use sufficient amount of lane to compel
> motorists to slow . . .
Exactly, that is why there is a problem.
-g
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 18:19:28
From: Pudentame
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>> I do the exact opposite. I always use sufficient amount of lane to compel
>> motorists to slow . . .
>
> Exactly, that is why there is a problem.
It may be a problem, but he's actually riding in accordance with state
law. In NC, the bicycle has legal status as a vehicle, and lawfully must
be treated with the same respect as a motor vehicle.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:14:33
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>>I do the exact opposite. I always use sufficient amount of lane to compel
>>motorists to slow . . .
>
>
> Exactly, that is why there is a problem.
>
> -g
>
>
I have no problem. I don't feel guilty when I drive my car from a minor
side street and trip the light and force dozens of trucks and other
vehicles to stop. Do you?
You seem to think its some kind of birth right to travel the speed
limit. Grow up. The speed limit is the maximum limit when conditions
allow. Sometimes they don't allow. Get over it.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:19:37
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Oh yes, thank you, thank you, but you keep posting here, get out there and
force those bastards to drive 15 mph.
--g
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:35:12
From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe laws
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Wayne Pein wrote:
>
> Further, I surmise that your "out" means you think bicyclists
> should have eyes in the back of our heads
Nope - but rearview mirrors could save your life.
> and constantly pay attention to overtaking traffic
Not exactly; pay attention to ALL traffic (including oncoming),
as all users of a medium-speed ( > 35mph) roadway must, in order to
SHARE THE ROAD.
Tall flourescent-color warning pennants might help you
live a little longer, too - and save some poor slob from
your next-of-kin's lawsuits when he legally is travelling
the speed limit on a nearly-empty country road, and tops
a rise to find your self-centered ass hiding behind it,
travelling at 2 mph - and he has to make a decision: hit the
concrete truck head-on, trying to avoid your worthless ass
- or teach you how to fly (in 18 pieces).
> and bail out to the right when we think a motorist is
> going to plow us.
Yes - though those of you seeking a Darwin award can stay put.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 15:50:06
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe
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Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
> Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>
>
>>Further, I surmise that your "out" means you think bicyclists
>>should have eyes in the back of our heads
>
>
> Nope - but rearview mirrors could save your life.
Rearview mirrors are for faclitating making a left turn. Period.
>
>
>>and constantly pay attention to overtaking traffic
>
>
> Not exactly; pay attention to ALL traffic (including oncoming),
> as all users of a medium-speed (> 35mph) roadway must, in order to
> SHARE THE ROAD.
Share this.
>
> Tall flourescent-color warning pennants might help you
> live a little longer, too - and save some poor slob from
> your next-of-kin's lawsuits when he legally is travelling
> the speed limit on a nearly-empty country road, and tops
> a rise to find your self-centered ass hiding behind it,
> travelling at 2 mph - and he has to make a decision: hit the
> concrete truck head-on, trying to avoid your worthless ass
> - or teach you how to fly (in 18 pieces).
Blather. You don't know what you are talking about, so you ought not
show how stupid you are.
>
>
>>and bail out to the right when we think a motorist is
>>going to plow us.
>
>
> Yes - though those of you seeking a Darwin award can stay put.
Go toss some dwarfs Dweezil.
Wayne
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 18:19:57
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Wayne Pein wrote:
> Further, I surmise that your "out" means you think bicyclists should
> have eyes in the back of our heads and constantly pay attention to
> overtaking traffic and bail out to the right when we think a motorist is
> going to plow us. Do tell.
Bail out where ? Short of bunnyhopping onto the pavement that is.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:25:19
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:4666dee7$0$8214$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> Wayne Pein wrote:
>> Further, I surmise that your "out" means you think bicyclists should
>> have eyes in the back of our heads and constantly pay attention to
>> overtaking traffic and bail out to the right when we think a motorist is
>> going to plow us. Do tell.
>
> Bail out where ? Short of bunnyhopping onto the pavement that is.
>
Last I remember, we were out in the middle of nowhere being passed by
livestock trucks. Think Jan back when he and LANCE were still racing, but
try to avoid the ravine.
--
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 17:52:29
From:
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On Jun 4, 6:35 pm, i_tell_it_like_it_i...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> today here in Cary).
>
> You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
> getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
> the law themselves.
>
> And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
> of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
> it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
> sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
> them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
> exercise, aren't you?
>
> Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
> pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
> and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
Good troll. Nicely done. Not a single swear word in there, good
spelling, and usage of a classic Jim Varney catch-phrase. All-in-all,
a solid 6 out of 10. Might have gotten a 7 or 7.5 if he had posted to
rbm instead of rbr.
A few years back I had the opportunity to ride some around Cary, NC
and, thankfully, never had the displeasure of encountering anyone that
shares your views.
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 17:14:43
From: nayR
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Sounds like an angry driver to me. Especially when talkin' about
walkin' a bicycle on a sidewalk.. walkin' a bicycle. Irony? Unless
there's a mechanical issue or flat tire, I find it funny. Regardless
if that's exercise or not, cyclists are allowed on the road as well as
any car. No need for a bike lane to state that. Sure, there are
cyclists who don't obey the law, but there are drivers who do the
same. Passin' through an intersection when the light's yellow is not
restricted to cyclists alone. It's not illegal, anyway. I doubt
those cyclists would listen to you even if you told them much like
drivers, so it's a lost cause.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 01:46:25
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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> Regardless
> if that's exercise or not, cyclists are allowed on the road as well as
> any car.
Nooooooo!!!!!!!!! I saw a cyclist on old apex road and everyone behind him
was going 10 or 15 mph. I called the officer on duty, cary police, and he
told me cyclists are allowed on the road but they are not allowed to impede
traffic like that.
So, to the guy who wants to kick ass, wait for the cary police, punch one of
them in the nose, and kick their ass.
Idiots.
-g
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 13:30:21
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
>>Regardless
>>if that's exercise or not, cyclists are allowed on the road as well as
>>any car.
>
>
> Nooooooo!!!!!!!!! I saw a cyclist on old apex road and everyone behind him
> was going 10 or 15 mph. I called the officer on duty, cary police, and he
> told me cyclists are allowed on the road but they are not allowed to impede
> traffic like that.
>
> So, to the guy who wants to kick ass, wait for the cary police, punch one of
> them in the nose, and kick their ass.
>
> Idiots.
>
The Officer is wrong.
"NC §20-141. Speed restrictions.
(h) No person shall operate a motor vehicle on the highway at such a
slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic
except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in
compliance with law; provided, this provision shall not apply to farm
tractors and other motor vehicles operating at reasonable speeds for the
type and nature of such vehicles."
This statute applies to motor vehicles, not bicycle vehicles, and
clearly exempts those vehicles that have limited operating speeds due to
their design and use.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 15:11:10
From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe laws
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Wayne Pein wrote:
>
> This statute applies to motor vehicles, not bicycle vehicles, and
> clearly exempts those vehicles that have limited operating speeds due to
> their design and use.
I won't be happy until roller skates, scooters, tricycles,
skate boards, and bicycles are prohibited on any roadway
with a speed limit greater than 35 mph.
There are no more dangerous roadhogs than a mob of (supposed)
adult bicyclists on a highway - particularly a rural one.
Let them obtain a parade permit for races, rallies, etc.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 15:25:27
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe laws that govern them.
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"Dweezil Dwarftosser" <f4wcs@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:4665B54E.641119BD@yahoo.com...
> Wayne Pein wrote:
>>
>
>> This statute applies to motor vehicles, not bicycle vehicles, and
>> clearly exempts those vehicles that have limited operating speeds
>> due to
>> their design and use.
>
>
> I won't be happy until roller skates, scooters, tricycles,
> skate boards, and bicycles are prohibited on any roadway
> with a speed limit greater than 35 mph.
>
> There are no more dangerous roadhogs than a mob of (supposed)
> adult bicyclists on a highway - particularly a rural one.
>
> Let them obtain a parade permit for races, rallies, etc.
Although I tend to agree, In general I think operators that behave as
if operating the vehicle is secondary to some other activity are by
far more dangerous than slow moving vehicles .
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 15:24:49
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeyingthe
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Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
> Wayne Pein wrote:
>
>
>>This statute applies to motor vehicles, not bicycle vehicles, and
>>clearly exempts those vehicles that have limited operating speeds due to
>>their design and use.
>
>
>
> I won't be happy until roller skates, scooters, tricycles,
> skate boards, and bicycles are prohibited on any roadway
> with a speed limit greater than 35 mph.
>
> There are no more dangerous roadhogs than a mob of (supposed)
> adult bicyclists on a highway - particularly a rural one.
>
> Let them obtain a parade permit for races, rallies, etc.
Your happiness is not my concern.
Why don't I have troubles with "dangerous roadhogs" when I'm driving my
car and encounter a group of cyclists? Oh I know, you and most other
motorists are incompetent and like to blame others.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 18:10:28
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Thank you! Thank you for making my case. You wrote:
> "NC §20-141. Speed restrictions.
> (h) No person shall operate a motor vehicle on the highway at such a slow
> speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic
. . . the ncdot says:
http://www.ncdot.org/transit/bicycle/laws/laws_bikelaws.html
(23) Motor Vehicle. - Every vehicle which is self- propelled and every
vehicle designed to run upon the highways which is pulled by a
self-propelled vehicle. This shall not include mopeds as defined in G.S.
20-4.01(27)d1.
. . . and
(49) Bicycles "shall be deemed vehicles and every rider of a bicycle upon a
highway shall be subject to the provisions of [Chapter 20 (Motor Vehicles)
of the General Statutes of North Carolina] applicable to the driver of a
vehicle, except for those laws that which by their nature can have no
application."
. . . and
e) Notwithstanding any other provisions of this section, when appropriate
signs have been posted, it shall be unlawful for any person to operate a
motor vehicle over and upon the inside lane, next to the median of any
dual-lane highway at a speed less than the posted speed limit when the
operation of said motor vehicle over and upon said inside lane shall impede
the steady flow of traffic except when preparing for a left turn.
So, the guy who wants to kick ass, please call the Cary police and let them
know you will be kicking their ass. I am sure they will have a reply for
you.
-g
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 14:37:11
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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geoff wrote:
> Thank you! Thank you for making my case. You wrote:
>
>
>>"NC §20-141. Speed restrictions.
>>(h) No person shall operate a motor vehicle on the highway at such a slow
>>speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic
>
>
> . . . the ncdot says:
>
> http://www.ncdot.org/transit/bicycle/laws/laws_bikelaws.html
> (23) Motor Vehicle. - Every vehicle which is self- propelled and every
> vehicle designed to run upon the highways which is pulled by a
> self-propelled vehicle. This shall not include mopeds as defined in G.S.
> 20-4.01(27)d1.
>
> . . . and
>
> (49) Bicycles "shall be deemed vehicles and every rider of a bicycle upon a
> highway shall be subject to the provisions of [Chapter 20 (Motor Vehicles)
> of the General Statutes of North Carolina] applicable to the driver of a
> vehicle, except for those laws that which by their nature can have no
> application."
>
> . . . and
>
> e) Notwithstanding any other provisions of this section, when appropriate
> signs have been posted, it shall be unlawful for any person to operate a
> motor vehicle over and upon the inside lane, next to the median of any
> dual-lane highway at a speed less than the posted speed limit when the
> operation of said motor vehicle over and upon said inside lane shall impede
> the steady flow of traffic except when preparing for a left turn.
>
> So, the guy who wants to kick ass, please call the Cary police and let them
> know you will be kicking their ass. I am sure they will have a reply for
> you.
>
> -g
>
>
Damn, you are an ignoramus.
Bicycles are vehicles, but not motor vehicles, as I already stated.
Hence, they are not subject to certain laws for motor vehicles, such as
what I already posted:
§20-141. Speed restrictions.
(h) No person shall operate a motor vehicle on the highway at such a
slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic
except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in
compliance with law; provided, this provision shall not apply to farm
tractors and other motor vehicles operating at reasonable speeds for the
type and nature of such vehicles.
This statute applies to motor vehicles, not bicycle vehicles, and
clearly exempts those vehicles that have limited operating speeds due to
their design and use.
There are other operating statutes that do not apply to bicycle users.
Bicycle users are also not required to have licence, insurance, or
registration as do users of motor vehicles.
Perhaps you'll get it this time. However, if you don't get it, it
doesn't matter.
Wayne
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 19:13:20
From: geoff
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Lets see, the law says:
'every rider of a bicycle upon a highway shall be subject to the provisions
of [Chapter 20 (Motor Vehicles)'
. . . did you see that? It did not say some riders, or the ones who think
the law is wrong, it said 'EVERY RIDER', then goes on to say 'SHALL BE
SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF [CHAPTER 20 (MOTOR VEHICLES . . .'
. . . did you see the word 'MOTOR'? Tell you what, you argue with the Cary
police, I called the watch commander and asked again.
That can be your goal in life, impede traffic, and when the Cary police
come, kick their ass.
-g
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 00:13:52
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs of
steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker with
a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my face so
that I can kick your ass for sure.
<i_tell_it_like_it_is_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
> here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
> see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>
> Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
> yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
> today here in Cary).
>
> You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
> getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
> the law themselves.
>
> And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
> of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
> it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
> sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
> them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
> exercise, aren't you?
>
> Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
> pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
> and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
>
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:24:07
From:
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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On 2007-06-05, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo > wrote:
> Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs of
> steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
> rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker with
> a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my face so
> that I can kick your ass for sure.
Uh last time I checked there were laws against assault also. Such an
act could land you in jail or being sued.
Both of you are a bit rabid and should read up on the appropriate laws
of the road and of unprovoked assault. Words do not justify an assault.
Now that you both have vented and had a good vowel movement I hope you
feel better, so kiss and make up.
I do get a bit irritated by slow moving vehicles two or more wheels, but
there are laws on how a faster vehicle driver must behave. It is part
of life. You two are just making it worse.
>
><i_tell_it_like_it_is_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1180996530.410128.103920@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> Yeah, that's right! When bicyclists adhere to the rules of the road
>> here in NC, like they are supposed to, that is when you will probably
>> see people be a bit more tolerant of them.
>>
>> Running redlights, entering an intersection when already having a
>> yellow and the ability to stop, 30 in a 25 (oh yes, I ran across that
>> today here in Cary).
>>
>> You always hear these bicycle groups talking about how they are not
>> getting the proper respect on the road, but they don't mind breaking
>> the law themselves.
>>
>> And here is another clue for you bicycle riders in the Triangle part
>> of NC. When you have a sidewalk available to you why don't you use
>> it? Just remember that pedestrians have the right-of-way on
>> sidewalks, and that you will have to get off your bike and walk around
>> them. It won't hurt you so bad.....after all, you ARE out for
>> exercise, aren't you?
>>
>> Yeah...if there AIN'T a bikelane and there IS a sidewalk, how's about
>> pick it on up and off'n the road? The road is not one of those horse
>> and shield in an amphitheater things, you know what I mean vern?
>>
>
>
--
Wes Dukes (wdukes.pobox@com) Swap the . and the @ to email me please.
spam@www.spam.com is a garbage address.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 03:35:31
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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<wdukes@fw.private.neotoma.org > wrote in message
news:slrnf6ddbm.slf.wdukes@fw.private.neotoma.org...
> On 2007-06-05, Tom Kunich <cyclintom@yahoo> wrote:
>> Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs
>> of
>> steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
>> rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker
>> with
>> a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my face
>> so
>> that I can kick your ass for sure.
>
> Uh last time I checked there were laws against assault also. Such an
> act could land you in jail or being sued.
Sorry if it offends you that I intend to protect my life from those who are
telling me that I don't have a right to the road and they believe they have
the right to kill me so that they can save 2 seconds.
I approached an intersection in a business district in a small town at 1:00
pm on a Sunday afternoon. None of the businesses were open and there weren't
any cars at the intersection. There were 5 lanes in my direction - the 2
right lanes were right turn only and the 3 left lanes were left turn only at
the T intersection. I was in the middle of the 5 lanes - the slow lane for
the left turn.
A car came up the street drove up behind me as I was waiting for the light
to change, stuck his head out the window and said, "If you don't get out of
my way I'm going to kill you." Just like that. There wasn't another car out
there.
Do you think I'm making it worse by telling these mindless CSer's that if I
find them when I'm not at a disadvantage I'm going to make them sorry they
were ever born?
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 16:27:51
From: me
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Daniel Patrick Moynahan used to say "everyone is entitled to their own
opinions, but not their own facts". In that spirit and after all of
this noise and combative rhetoric in this thread, I looked up the
statistics on bicycle vs. motor vehicle accidents from the NCDoT at
http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/pbcat/bike_main.htm
Lo and behold it was exactly as I thought, for the period 1997 to 2005
(this is all of the stats I could find, and would welcome the addition
of 2006 & 2007 data) It was more than twice as likely that the
bicyclist was deemed at fault as the motorist, in fact adding up all
the causes other than bicyclist at fault did not add up to half of the
total accidents:
Bicyclist at fault - 4583
Both at Fault - 1229
Fault Cannot be Determined - 292
Motorist at Fault - 2000
Neither at Fault - 38
Unknown - 744
Total - 8886
So sorry bicyclists, *you* are the cause of most of the motor
vehicle/bicycle problems in this state (and I suspect most, if not all
others). I think it would be prudent and reasonable to take stock of
your behaviours and maybe buy some extra insurance based on these
facts.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:19:16
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"me" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:ZGj9i.28106$JQ3.8157@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Daniel Patrick Moynahan used to say "everyone is entitled to their own
> opinions, but not their own facts". In that spirit and after all of this
> noise and combative rhetoric in this thread, I looked up the statistics on
> bicycle vs. motor vehicle accidents from the NCDoT at
> http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/pbcat/bike_main.htm
>
> Lo and behold it was exactly as I thought, for the period 1997 to 2005
> (this is all of the stats I could find, and would welcome the addition of
> 2006 & 2007 data) It was more than twice as likely that the bicyclist was
> deemed at fault as the motorist, in fact adding up all the causes other
> than bicyclist at fault did not add up to half of the total accidents:
>
> Bicyclist at fault - 4583
> Both at Fault - 1229
> Fault Cannot be Determined - 292
> Motorist at Fault - 2000
> Neither at Fault - 38
> Unknown - 744
> Total - 8886
>
> So sorry bicyclists, *you* are the cause of most of the motor
> vehicle/bicycle problems in this state (and I suspect most, if not all
> others). I think it would be prudent and reasonable to take stock of your
> behaviours and maybe buy some extra insurance based on these facts.
So let me understand you here - _I'm_ at fault because you looked up a
statistic that mostly describes collisions at driveways in nighborhoods
involving almost all children?
It isn't any surprise that you believe that making up your own facts seems
to suit you.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 08:27:36
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"me" <nospam@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:ZGj9i.28106$JQ3.8157@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
...
> So sorry bicyclists, *you* are the cause of most of the motor
> vehicle/bicycle problems in this state (and I suspect most, if not all
> others). I think it would be prudent and reasonable to take stock of your
> behaviours and maybe buy some extra insurance based on these facts.
Try to combine the total picture. The stats include children and in the case
of children, the vast and practically all bike-car accidents are their
fault - beginning with that they can rarely make their own case anyway.
In collisions between adult cyclists and automobiles - and most people here
fall into that category - the statistics go the other way. Make it between
experienced club cyclists - a large number of the cyclists posting on the
bicycling threads - and motorists, the statistics are completely the other
direction.
I'm not surprised that you want to include children in your stats - no one
wants to feel left out...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 13:35:02
From: Sean J Murphy
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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On yer bikes!
Sean Murphy
(Bemused poster on rec.heraldry)
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 17:20:24
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Sean J Murphy wrote:
> On yer bikes!
> Sean Murphy
> (Bemused poster on rec.heraldry)
You can design us a LIVEDRUNK(tm) coat of arms to put on the jersey.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 20:23:02
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Sean J Murphy wrote:
>> On yer bikes!
>> Sean Murphy
>> (Bemused poster on rec.heraldry)
>
> You can design us a LIVEDRUNK(tm) coat of arms to put on the jersey.
>
What jersey?
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:26:18
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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Sean J Murphy wrote:
>>> On yer bikes!
>>> Sean Murphy
>>> (Bemused poster on rec.heraldry)
Donald Munro wrote:
>> You can design us a LIVEDRUNK(tm) coat of arms to put on the jersey.
Kyle Legate wrote:
> What jersey?
Ask gates and ballmer, vaporware ranks just behind bug ridden software in
a balanced economy.
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Date: 05 Jun 2007 16:53:13
From: Wayne Pein
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying
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me wrote:
> Daniel Patrick Moynahan used to say "everyone is entitled to their own
> opinions, but not their own facts". In that spirit and after all of
> this noise and combative rhetoric in this thread, I looked up the
> statistics on bicycle vs. motor vehicle accidents from the NCDoT at
> http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/pbcat/bike_main.htm
>
> Lo and behold it was exactly as I thought, for the period 1997 to 2005
> (this is all of the stats I could find, and would welcome the addition
> of 2006 & 2007 data) It was more than twice as likely that the
> bicyclist was deemed at fault as the motorist, in fact adding up all
> the causes other than bicyclist at fault did not add up to half of the
> total accidents:
>
> Bicyclist at fault - 4583
> Both at Fault - 1229
> Fault Cannot be Determined - 292
> Motorist at Fault - 2000
> Neither at Fault - 38
> Unknown - 744
> Total - 8886
>
> So sorry bicyclists, *you* are the cause of most of the motor
> vehicle/bicycle problems in this state (and I suspect most, if not all
> others). I think it would be prudent and reasonable to take stock of
> your behaviours and maybe buy some extra insurance based on these
> facts.
>
>
This has nothing to do with the issue of bicyclists legally riding along
a road and the fact that motorists wishing to pass must do so cautiously.
Wayne
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Date: 04 Jun 2007 23:43:42
From: Stefan Wolfe
Subject: Re: Bicycle riders will get more respect once they start obeying the laws that govern them.
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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
news:4V19i.18148$j63.16992@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Here - I'll tell it like it is - kiss my ass. As the driver of 3500 lbs of
> steel moving at 40+ mph traffic laws are important and necessary. As the
> rider on a 20 lb bicycle without a shred of protection some cocksucker
> with a big mouth like yours ought to just say something like that to my
> face so that I can kick your ass for sure.
This is symtomatic of the psychological side effects of those in this sport
who take testosterone injections to improve their performance. Suggest you
lay off the juice for a while, bro.
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