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Date: 23 Jul 2007 21:57:51
From: steve
Subject: Can Contador win?
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Contador was about 30 seconds faster than the Dane in the first TT, and he
certainly looked to put Rasmussen in some difficulty late in today's stage.
Phil has said repeatedly that "AC will not win this years TdF", but if he
takes some time on Rasmussen Wednesday he very well could give Disco the GC
win. MR's team has been tested and they seem up to the task, but Disco
could use a well placed Levi to put early pressure on Rabo and possibly
isolate MR by the final climb. And if Evans doesnt lose more time, we could
have three credible GC contenders going into the last TT. When was the last
time that happened?
This could be dramatic. It may surpass the Fignon/Lemond battle.
And just to make it more fun, Contador's not an american but he's on an
american team. How would the French feel about that if he wins?
The tour is so much more fun since Lance retired.
steve
--
"The accused will now make a bogus statement."
James Joyce
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 22:23:17
From: bdbafh
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 25, 5:51 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 25, 2:42 pm, rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jul 25, 5:50 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > No.
>
> > Yes.
>
> LOL!
>
> What a crazy tour it's been.
At least no real bombs went off.
Oh wait, yes they did, just not close enough to the route before or
while the riders passed.
It could still get a whole lot worse.
-bdbafh
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 20:06:00
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:23:17 -0000, bdbafh <bdbafh@gmail.com > wrote:
>On Jul 25, 5:51 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 2:42 pm, rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > On Jul 25, 5:50 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > No.
>>
>> > Yes.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> What a crazy tour it's been.
>
>At least no real bombs went off.
>Oh wait, yes they did, just not close enough to the route before or
>while the riders passed.
>It could still get a whole lot worse.
The Basque seperatists have made a tradition of terror bombings that don't
actually ever hurt people. They usually give enough warning to evacuate but not
detect and disarm.
Ron
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 07:28:55
From: Bob Martin
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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in 550184 20070726 010600 RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:23:17 -0000, bdbafh <bdbafh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 25, 5:51 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 25, 2:42 pm, rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Jul 25, 5:50 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > No.
>>>
>>> > Yes.
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> What a crazy tour it's been.
>>
>>At least no real bombs went off.
>>Oh wait, yes they did, just not close enough to the route before or
>>while the riders passed.
>>It could still get a whole lot worse.
>
>The Basque seperatists have made a tradition of terror bombings that don't
>actually ever hurt people. They usually give enough warning to evacuate but not
>detect and disarm.
>
>Ron
They are not averse to killing people.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 14:51:32
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 25, 2:42 pm, rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 25, 5:50 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > No.
>
> Yes.
LOL!
What a crazy tour it's been.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:42:00
From:
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 25, 5:50 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> No.
Yes.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 10:15:54
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Donald Munro wrote:
>> No.
rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> Yes.
At least until some journalists expose the rumoured Fuentes connection.
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Date: 26 Jul 2007 11:53:34
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
> >> No.
> rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> > Yes.
> At least until some journalists expose the rumoured Fuentes connection.
Won't happen until the investigation and following trails have
finnished, by then Contador and Brunell don't give a shit.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 21:49:43
From: Sticky Wicket
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On 25/7/07 3:42 PM, in article
1185399720.124754.248830@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
"rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com" <rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 25, 5:50 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No.
>
> Yes.
>
Sorry, no one can win this year's Tour. Last Tour we will be seeing on North
American TV for a long time.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 17:50:58
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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steve wrote:
No.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 01:23:03
From:
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 24, 9:31 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> really amazing
> how Hincapie was *right* there
Obviously, it was the dope that allowed them to do that.
More seriously, people act as if doping removes all tactics and
strategy, and turns the competition into a farce. There's so much
interesting stuff going on in racing no matter how much doping there
is.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 00:50:54
From:
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 24, 11:06 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "wishful thinking" doesn't work in the prediction an analysis biz.
> Contador beat Rasmussen: in 35 feet at the top with bonus time "at
> stake," Rasmussen lost.
> Rasmussen lost the time trial to Contador.
> Contador lost because he was not racing Rasmussen from square one, he
> was on duty for DC.
> The Bruneel interview was for that reason.
> Leipheimer, who we all know cannot win the TdF but remains an
> outstanding bicycle racer, was DC's man.
> Bruneel is now "beside himself" and almost not up to jinxing Contador
> by doing the jig with this "recent" development.
> Rasmussen slipstreaming Contador shows experience but failure to pull
> out, cross first and get the bonus time is not a winner.
> Plus, it's clear "being made clear" Rasmussen has no support from
> anyone involved in the Tour.
> I assume France does more business with Spain than Denmark, that a
> German sponsor is a negative state.
> Prudhomme, in an attempt at godlike omniscience, proclaimed the TdF
> and France then thru obvious proxy our parsec, would prefer a younger
> rider like the unknown, at least to Bruneel despite "statements to the
> contrary" as winner and role model for France and the TdF.
> Now Denmark...
GOOD TALK.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 19:19:46
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 24, 9:13 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Sandy wrote:
> > Oh, the podium girls slept in, also. Bummer.
>
> Sorry, we had a random check scheduled today.
That's when "working hard" really pays off.
For this random test, do you need to cock your head sideways or upside
down to see a gaussian distribution? Do nice breasts do have a bell
shape?
Yes, Contador can win, but he doesn't need all the goofy tactics you
dumbasses talk about. He just needs to risk it all.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 16:07:53
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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=EAtes vous le cousin des moreau?
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 07:56:55
From: Dumbass
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 24, 10:11 am, Bike-Mike <none@ > wrote:
> "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote:
> >Contador was about 30 seconds faster than the Dane in the first TT, and he
> >certainly looked to put Rasmussen in some difficulty late in today's stage.
> >Phil has said repeatedly that "AC will not win this years TdF", but if he
> >takes some time on Rasmussen Wednesday he very well could give Disco the GC
> >win. MR's team has been tested and they seem up to the task, but Disco
> >could use a well placed Levi to put early pressure on Rabo and possibly
> >isolate MR by the final climb. And if Evans doesnt lose more time, we could
> >have three credible GC contenders going into the last TT. When was the last
> >time that happened?
>
> In part, it depends on MR's strategy on defending both the Yellow and
> KoM jersey. AC may not be his only worry because Hernandez is only a
> few points behind MR for KoM. I doubt Astana has given up on
> Kloden,
Then why was Vino not pulling him yesterday? I think they have given
up on the GC or don't have disipline.
> and they have been pretty agressive at times.
>
> Defending against AC and Disco and Kloden and Astana and Evans
> virtually everyday could be stretching yourself too thin.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 09:11:17
From: Bike-Mike
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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"steve" <steve@steve.com > wrote:
>Contador was about 30 seconds faster than the Dane in the first TT, and he
>certainly looked to put Rasmussen in some difficulty late in today's stage.
>Phil has said repeatedly that "AC will not win this years TdF", but if he
>takes some time on Rasmussen Wednesday he very well could give Disco the GC
>win. MR's team has been tested and they seem up to the task, but Disco
>could use a well placed Levi to put early pressure on Rabo and possibly
>isolate MR by the final climb. And if Evans doesnt lose more time, we could
>have three credible GC contenders going into the last TT. When was the last
>time that happened?
>
In part, it depends on MR's strategy on defending both the Yellow and
KoM jersey. AC may not be his only worry because Hernandez is only a
few points behind MR for KoM. I doubt Astana has given up on Kloden,
and they have been pretty agressive at times.
Defending against AC and Disco and Kloden and Astana and Evans
virtually everyday could be stretching yourself too thin.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 14:24:02
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Bike-Mike wrote:
> In part, it depends on MR's strategy on defending both the Yellow and
> KoM jersey. AC may not be his only worry because Hernandez is only a
> few points behind MR for KoM. I doubt Astana has given up on Kloden,
> and they have been pretty agressive at times.
Nobody wearing yellow is going to care about the KOM jersey. The
main attraction of the KOM jersey is it is apparently the only
jersey that you can win while on drugs and still keep.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 06:31:40
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 24, 9:21 am, Jeff Jones <drjone...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 24, 1:40 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid>
> wrote:> RicodJour wrote:
> > > The bitch of the thing was "Contador went two more times and, on the
> > > last of these, was unfortunate enough to be slowed by a gaggle of
> > > press motors and the Mavic neutral support car." Contador rode into
> > > the blockage right before he hooked up with Hincapie at the top.
>
> > That is all true and a great bloody shame on the Tour, but at that
> > moment when Contador ran into the motobikes, the gap was not as wide
> > as it had been (and even then, at it widest it was maybe 10 m; less
> > than needed).
>
> That was annoying, but I noticed (as did Rasmussen) that Contador got
> a bit of help from the motos in his first three attacks. They couldn't
> match his acceleration either :-)
>
> I'm a bit surprised Contador didn't start attacking near the bottom of
> the climb, like Vino did.
Me too, but hindsight and all that.. Considering how many attacks
Contador had in him, he obviously felt great.
I think tomorrow's stage will be epic. Contador's got the mental
advantage and Munchkin has the yellow jersey.
R
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 14:58:37
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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RicodJour wrote:
>> I'm a bit surprised Contador didn't start attacking near the bottom of
>> the climb, like Vino did.
>
> Me too, but hindsight and all that.. Considering how many attacks
> Contador had in him, he obviously felt great.
>
> I think tomorrow's stage will be epic. Contador's got the mental
> advantage and Munchkin has the yellow jersey.
>
> R
>
The plan was to wait until the steep portion of the climb, to reduce the advantage of drafting.
If you have a higher anaerobic work capacity, but no advantage in aerobic power, there is a limit to how much ground you can gain in an attack -- you establish a gap, then it stabilizes. Do it was more important to Contador to establish the gap in the most effective portion of the climb.
Actually, if you have a greater anaerobic capacity, and LOWER aerobic power, you actually want to put off the attack, as if you go too early, a greater fraction of the workload is aerobic, increasing the advantage of the more aerobic rider.
Dan
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 13:21:01
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 24, 1:40 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > The bitch of the thing was "Contador went two more times and, on the
> > last of these, was unfortunate enough to be slowed by a gaggle of
> > press motors and the Mavic neutral support car." Contador rode into
> > the blockage right before he hooked up with Hincapie at the top.
>
> That is all true and a great bloody shame on the Tour, but at that
> moment when Contador ran into the motobikes, the gap was not as wide
> as it had been (and even then, at it widest it was maybe 10 m; less
> than needed).
>
That was annoying, but I noticed (as did Rasmussen) that Contador got
a bit of help from the motos in his first three attacks. They couldn't
match his acceleration either :-)
I'm a bit surprised Contador didn't start attacking near the bottom of
the climb, like Vino did.
Jeff
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 17:48:37
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Jeff Jones <drjones99@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 24, 1:40 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid>
> wrote:
> > RicodJour wrote:
> > > The bitch of the thing was "Contador went two more times and, on the
> > > last of these, was unfortunate enough to be slowed by a gaggle of
> > > press motors and the Mavic neutral support car." Contador rode into
> > > the blockage right before he hooked up with Hincapie at the top.
> >
> > That is all true and a great bloody shame on the Tour, but at that
> > moment when Contador ran into the motobikes, the gap was not as wide
> > as it had been (and even then, at it widest it was maybe 10 m; less
> > than needed).
> >
> That was annoying, but I noticed (as did Rasmussen) that Contador got
> a bit of help from the motos in his first three attacks. They couldn't
> match his acceleration either :-)
> I'm a bit surprised Contador didn't start attacking near the bottom of
> the climb, like Vino did.
Contador doesn't have the ability to sustain a high pace on his own
over a longer distance. An attack like that would have been suicide
since MR could have used Boogerd and Menchov as moterpacers for a him
witch would have toasted the rest of the Discovery team. MR has
durring the last 4 years proven that he can maintain a highspeed
uphill on his own over long climbs. Contador's best chance is to
attack with 3 km to go.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 12:42:11
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 24, 5:06 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "wishful thinking" doesn't work in the prediction an analysis biz.
> Contador beat Rasmussen: in 35 feet at the top with bonus time "at
> stake," Rasmussen lost.
> Rasmussen lost the time trial to Contador.
> Contador lost because he was not racing Rasmussen from square one, he
> was on duty for DC.
> The Bruneel interview was for that reason.
> Leipheimer, who we all know cannot win the TdF but remains an
> outstanding bicycle racer, was DC's man.
> Bruneel is now "beside himself" and almost not up to jinxing Contador
> by doing the jig with this "recent" development.
> Rasmussen slipstreaming Contador shows experience but failure to pull
> out, cross first and get the bonus time is not a winner.
> Plus, it's clear "being made clear" Rasmussen has no support from
> anyone involved in the Tour.
> I assume France does more business with Spain than Denmark, that a
> German sponsor is a negative state.
> Prudhomme, in an attempt at godlike omniscience, proclaimed the TdF
> and France then thru obvious proxy our parsec, would prefer a younger
> rider like the unknown, at least to Bruneel despite "statements to the
> contrary" as winner and role model for France and the TdF.
> Now Denmark...
so here's Versus the house organ:
"All the other GC contenders were caught sleeping as Contador and
Rasmussen extended their advantage over the rest of the field. This
has just become a two-pony horserace. Contador needs a little bit of
time on Wednesday to Col d'Aubisque and then finish Rasmussen off in
the time trial.
This has been a great Tour so far and the best stages are still to
come.
What a sport!"
finish Rasmussen off? rah rah rah great so far and after WE (that's
you and the french caws by just reading Versus yawl joined forces)
finish Rasmussen off WOW WOW WOW
there's trouble in river city! 76 trombones! did I mention this or
what?
who was caught sleeping? there's riders on that hill wish they were
somewhere's else but sleeping? GACK
the flack running off this EVENT ...
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 15:29:13
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Dans le message de
news:1185280931.611197.299290@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
datakoll <datakoll@yahoo.com > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On Jul 24, 5:06 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "wishful thinking" doesn't work in the prediction an analysis biz.
>> Contador beat Rasmussen: in 35 feet at the top with bonus time "at
>> stake," Rasmussen lost.
>> Rasmussen lost the time trial to Contador.
>> Contador lost because he was not racing Rasmussen from square one, he
>> was on duty for DC.
>> The Bruneel interview was for that reason.
>> Leipheimer, who we all know cannot win the TdF but remains an
>> outstanding bicycle racer, was DC's man.
>> Bruneel is now "beside himself" and almost not up to jinxing Contador
>> by doing the jig with this "recent" development.
>> Rasmussen slipstreaming Contador shows experience but failure to pull
>> out, cross first and get the bonus time is not a winner.
>> Plus, it's clear "being made clear" Rasmussen has no support from
>> anyone involved in the Tour.
>> I assume France does more business with Spain than Denmark, that a
>> German sponsor is a negative state.
>> Prudhomme, in an attempt at godlike omniscience, proclaimed the TdF
>> and France then thru obvious proxy our parsec, would prefer a younger
>> rider like the unknown, at least to Bruneel despite "statements to
>> the contrary" as winner and role model for France and the TdF.
>> Now Denmark...
>
> so here's Versus the house organ:
>
> "All the other GC contenders were caught sleeping as Contador and
> Rasmussen extended their advantage over the rest of the field. This
> has just become a two-pony horserace. Contador needs a little bit of
> time on Wednesday to Col d'Aubisque and then finish Rasmussen off in
> the time trial.
>
> This has been a great Tour so far and the best stages are still to
> come.
>
> What a sport!"
>
> finish Rasmussen off? rah rah rah great so far and after WE (that's
> you and the french caws by just reading Versus yawl joined forces)
> finish Rasmussen off WOW WOW WOW
> there's trouble in river city! 76 trombones! did I mention this or
> what?
>
> who was caught sleeping? there's riders on that hill wish they were
> somewhere's else but sleeping?
I wasn't sleeping, so I got on the road and won today's stage. Windy. Oh,
the podium girls slept in, also. Bummer.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 18:13:51
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Sandy wrote:
> Oh, the podium girls slept in, also. Bummer.
Sorry, we had a random check scheduled today.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 05:39:30
From: Dumbass
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 23, 5:57 pm, "steve" <st...@steve.com > wrote:
> Contador was about 30 seconds faster than the Dane in the first TT, and he
> certainly looked to put Rasmussen in some difficulty late in today's stage.
> Phil has said repeatedly that "AC will not win this years TdF", but if he
> takes some time on Rasmussen Wednesday he very well could give Disco the GC
> win. MR's team has been tested and they seem up to the task, but Disco
> could use a well placed Levi to put early pressure on Rabo and possibly
> isolate MR by the final climb. And if Evans doesnt lose more time, we could
> have three credible GC contenders going into the last TT. When was the last
> time that happened?
>
> This could be dramatic. It may surpass the Fignon/Lemond battle.
>
> And just to make it more fun, Contador's not an american but he's on an
> american team. How would the French feel about that if he wins?
>
> The tour is so much more fun since Lance retired.
>
> steve
> --
> "The accused will now make a bogus statement."
> James Joyce
I think the TDF officials might like a Contador win. He's young
enough to be arguable clean, whereas Rasmussen is another brewing
scandal.
One would predict that a cleaner GC would be a younger GC.
Spain seems to be a huge cycling powerhouse. They had 5 riders in the
top 10 GC a few days ago (have not check recently).
Spain will get the 2006 yellow jersey once the Landis is dethroned.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 17:42:31
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Dumbass <tadamsmar@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I think the TDF officials might like a Contador win. He's young
> enough to be arguable clean, whereas Rasmussen is another brewing
> scandal.
Contador deeply involved in operation Puerto. Apperantly he has made a
deal with the spanish authorities which is why he doesn't apper in
the files made public. However serveral of the released documents
referes document 31, the Alberto Contador file.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 05:34:04
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 24, 3:31 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > They were trying out Rasmussen today. Contador had
> > Rasmussen on a leash, and as they got to the top, there
> > was Hincapie. I think they were trying to get into
> > Rasmussen's head for Wednesday.
>
> > Somebody in the announcing team thought Contador should
> > have gone earlier, even the penultimate climb. I assume
> > the team knows what they are doing.
>
> The obvious tactic was that Contador would take a small lead over
> Rasmussen and isolate him, meet Hincapie at the top and work together
> in the descent to widen the gap. It worked perfectly, really amazing
> how Hincapie was *right* there, except for the gap.
The bitch of the thing was "Contador went two more times and, on the
last of these, was unfortunate enough to be slowed by a gaggle of
press motors and the Mavic neutral support car." Contador rode into
the blockage right before he hooked up with Hincapie at the top. If
he'd had a clear road and connected with Hincapie with even a small
gap Munchkin would have never caught back on.
It looked like Mavic wasn't so neutral after all - that should teach
teams to choose Bontrager and Shimano over their stuff. ;)
R
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 17:44:15
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 24, 3:31 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid>
> wrote:
> > Michael Press wrote:
> > > They were trying out Rasmussen today. Contador had
> > > Rasmussen on a leash, and as they got to the top, there
> > > was Hincapie. I think they were trying to get into
> > > Rasmussen's head for Wednesday.
> >
> > > Somebody in the announcing team thought Contador should
> > > have gone earlier, even the penultimate climb. I assume
> > > the team knows what they are doing.
> >
> > The obvious tactic was that Contador would take a small lead over
> > Rasmussen and isolate him, meet Hincapie at the top and work together
> > in the descent to widen the gap. It worked perfectly, really amazing
> > how Hincapie was *right* there, except for the gap.
> The bitch of the thing was "Contador went two more times and, on the
> last of these, was unfortunate enough to be slowed by a gaggle of
> press motors and the Mavic neutral support car."
Contador did gain a huge advantage from the slipstream of the
Motorbikes every time he attacked.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 14:40:24
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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RicodJour wrote:
> The bitch of the thing was "Contador went two more times and, on the
> last of these, was unfortunate enough to be slowed by a gaggle of
> press motors and the Mavic neutral support car." Contador rode into
> the blockage right before he hooked up with Hincapie at the top.
That is all true and a great bloody shame on the Tour, but at that
moment when Contador ran into the motobikes, the gap was not as wide
as it had been (and even then, at it widest it was maybe 10 m; less
than needed).
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 09:06:24
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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"wishful thinking" doesn't work in the prediction an analysis biz.
Contador beat Rasmussen: in 35 feet at the top with bonus time "at
stake," Rasmussen lost.
Rasmussen lost the time trial to Contador.
Contador lost because he was not racing Rasmussen from square one, he
was on duty for DC.
The Bruneel interview was for that reason.
Leipheimer, who we all know cannot win the TdF but remains an
outstanding bicycle racer, was DC's man.
Bruneel is now "beside himself" and almost not up to jinxing Contador
by doing the jig with this "recent" development.
Rasmussen slipstreaming Contador shows experience but failure to pull
out, cross first and get the bonus time is not a winner.
Plus, it's clear "being made clear" Rasmussen has no support from
anyone involved in the Tour.
I assume France does more business with Spain than Denmark, that a
German sponsor is a negative state.
Prudhomme, in an attempt at godlike omniscience, proclaimed the TdF
and France then thru obvious proxy our parsec, would prefer a younger
rider like the unknown, at least to Bruneel despite "statements to the
contrary" as winner and role model for France and the TdF.
Now Denmark...
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 08:40:40
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Dans le message de news:Bp-dnWXjRbDCuTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@rcn.net,
steve <steve@steve.com > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> Contador was about 30 seconds faster than the Dane in the first TT,
> and he certainly looked to put Rasmussen in some difficulty late in
> today's stage. Phil has said repeatedly that "AC will not win this
> years TdF", but if he takes some time on Rasmussen Wednesday he very
> well could give Disco the GC win. MR's team has been tested and they
> seem up to the task, but Disco could use a well placed Levi to put
> early pressure on Rabo and possibly isolate MR by the final climb.
> And if Evans doesnt lose more time, we could have three credible GC
> contenders going into the last TT. When was the last time that
> happened?
>
> This could be dramatic. It may surpass the Fignon/Lemond battle.
>
> And just to make it more fun, Contador's not an american but he's on
> an american team. How would the French feel about that if he wins?
If you keep spending your money to keep our foetid economy afloat, we love
it!
--
Sandy
-
Darwinism, born in ideological struggle, has never escaped from an intimate
reciprocal relationship with worldviews exported from and imported into the
science. No one challenges the claim that evolutionary theory has had a wide
effect on social theory. It is a cliché of cultural history that the
explanation of evolution by natural selection served as an ideological
justification for laissez-faire capitalism and the colonial domination of
the lesser breeds without the law
- Richard Lewontin
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:01:45
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 23, 7:28 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
>
> P.S. I'm amused by your recent tendency to preface/qualify your posts with
> "I speculate..."
Dumbass -
Considering the large percentage of the time that I am wrong, it is a
good fallback if some jackass wants to gloat over my wrongness.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 11:18:38
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:01:45 -0700, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>On Jul 23, 7:28 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> P.S. I'm amused by your recent tendency to preface/qualify your posts with
>> "I speculate..."
>
>
>
>Dumbass -
>
>
>Considering the large percentage of the time that I am wrong, it is a
>good fallback if some jackass wants to gloat over my wrongness.
Candyass -
Ron
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 19:24:59
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 23, 7:09 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 23, 6:49 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > You're assuming Menchov and BoogerD, et. al. won't be there for support at
> > that point.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I speculate that the Chicken can be isolated, but it will take a
> combine of a few teams to make it happen.
Dumbass,
There are also two stages after the last mountain day and
before the TT. Rabobank has a lot of strong riders, so nobody
is likely to actually get away from them, but some of the
teams could try to make the racing really hard, following your
theory about putting the burn on a climber's legs, with
the goal of weakening him for the TT day. Discovery or
Astana have the manpower to do this. Of course, it seems
that Rasmussen is not Mayo (or other fried climber), so this
might not work. But it would be more interesting than
having the pack roll along watching some escape on TV,
as often happens in these flat final-week stages.
Ben
RBR Long-Term Planning Office
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 17:12:40
From: Jack Hollis
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:24:59 -0700, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
>Discovery or
>Astana have the manpower to do this.
Astana has withdrawn from the race after Vino tested positive for
blood doping.
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 09:35:08
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Jack Hollis wrote:
> Astana has withdrawn from the race after Vino tested positive for
> blood doping.
No shit ? Damn, on rbr we're always the last to hear about doping scandals.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 02:16:40
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 23, 10:09 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 23, 6:49 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:g8qdnRMoCbwypDjbnZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@rcn.net...
>
> > > On 23-Jul-2007, smacked up and reeling, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net>
> > > blindly formulated
> > > the following incoherence:
>
> > >> I can't see Levi extending Rasmussen. Levi hasn't shown that he has the
> > >> explosiveness to take it out of Rasmussen's legs and I don't think that
> > >> the
> > >> pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable either.
> > >> Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run alongside...
>
> > > The idea would be to get him in an early break, too early for Rasmussen to
> > > sensibly go. But LL would have to be willing to sacrifice his GC position
> > > for ACs chance.
>
> > You're assuming Menchov and BoogerD, et. al. won't be there for support at
> > that point.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I speculate that the Chicken can be isolated, but it will take a
> combine of a few teams to make it happen.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
yeah. i went looking for the TT times again: 37 seconds. But the
expert flack wrote Contador rode a brilliant TT for Contador.
so of the assassins don't strike and its C vs R the last flat stages
give it dead even, even enough for a 3rd or 4th party.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 19:09:57
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Jul 23, 6:49 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote in message
>
> news:g8qdnRMoCbwypDjbnZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@rcn.net...
>
> > On 23-Jul-2007, smacked up and reeling, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net>
> > blindly formulated
> > the following incoherence:
>
> >> I can't see Levi extending Rasmussen. Levi hasn't shown that he has the
> >> explosiveness to take it out of Rasmussen's legs and I don't think that
> >> the
> >> pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable either.
> >> Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run alongside...
>
> > The idea would be to get him in an early break, too early for Rasmussen to
> > sensibly go. But LL would have to be willing to sacrifice his GC position
> > for ACs chance.
>
> You're assuming Menchov and BoogerD, et. al. won't be there for support at
> that point.
Dumbass -
I speculate that the Chicken can be isolated, but it will take a
combine of a few teams to make it happen.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 21:28:14
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185242997.943760.13950@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 6:49 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "steve" <st...@steve.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:g8qdnRMoCbwypDjbnZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@rcn.net...
>>
>> > On 23-Jul-2007, smacked up and reeling, "Carl Sundquist"
>> > <carl...@cox.net>
>> > blindly formulated
>> > the following incoherence:
>>
>> >> I can't see Levi extending Rasmussen. Levi hasn't shown that he has
>> >> the
>> >> explosiveness to take it out of Rasmussen's legs and I don't think
>> >> that
>> >> the
>> >> pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable
>> >> either.
>> >> Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run
>> >> alongside...
>>
>> > The idea would be to get him in an early break, too early for Rasmussen
>> > to
>> > sensibly go. But LL would have to be willing to sacrifice his GC
>> > position
>> > for ACs chance.
>>
>> You're assuming Menchov and BoogerD, et. al. won't be there for support
>> at
>> that point.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> I speculate that the Chicken can be isolated, but it will take a
> combine of a few teams to make it happen.
>
They would have to break him before the last climb, as any alliances will
likely dissolve by then. If they can work together to isolate him during the
middle section of stage 16, he could have problems.
P.S. I'm amused by your recent tendency to preface/qualify your posts with
"I speculate..."
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 23:28:47
From: steve
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On 23-Jul-2007, smacked up and reeling, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net >
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> I can't see Levi extending Rasmussen. Levi hasn't shown that he has the
> explosiveness to take it out of Rasmussen's legs and I don't think that
> the
> pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable either.
> Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run alongside...
The idea would be to get him in an early break, too early for Rasmussen to
sensibly go. But LL would have to be willing to sacrifice his GC position
for ACs chance.
Than again, AC could just go when he feels it without relying on his team to
soften Rabo. But Wed will be his last chance to set himself up to win.
Disco should pull out the stops. Id like to be in on thier next couple team
meetings. They have to be thinking of AC for the GC win.
--
"The accused will now make a bogus statement."
James Joyce
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 06:01:20
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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In article <g8qdnRMoCbwypDjbnZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@rcn.net >,
"steve" <steve@steve.com > wrote:
> On 23-Jul-2007, smacked up and reeling, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
> blindly formulated
> the following incoherence:
>
> > I can't see Levi extending Rasmussen. Levi hasn't shown that he has the
> > explosiveness to take it out of Rasmussen's legs and I don't think that
> > the
> > pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable either.
> > Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run alongside...
>
> The idea would be to get him in an early break, too early for Rasmussen to
> sensibly go. But LL would have to be willing to sacrifice his GC position
> for ACs chance.
>
> Than again, AC could just go when he feels it without relying on his team to
> soften Rabo. But Wed will be his last chance to set himself up to win.
> Disco should pull out the stops. Id like to be in on thier next couple team
> meetings. They have to be thinking of AC for the GC win.
They were trying out Rasmussen today. Contador had
Rasmussen on a leash, and as they got to the top, there
was Hincapie. I think they were trying to get into
Rasmussen's head for Wednesday.
Somebody in the announcing team thought Contador should
have gone earlier, even the penultimate climb. I assume
the team knows what they are doing.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 08:30:17
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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in message <rubrum-080650.23012023072007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com >,
Michael Press ('rubrum@pacbell.net') wrote:
> They were trying out Rasmussen today. Contador had
> Rasmussen on a leash, and as they got to the top, there
> was Hincapie. I think they were trying to get into
> Rasmussen's head for Wednesday.
>
> Somebody in the announcing team thought Contador should
> have gone earlier, even the penultimate climb. I assume
> the team knows what they are doing.
My guess is that they don't think Contador could sustain a long break. He's
got lots of acceleration, but how much endurance has he? Rasmussen doesn't
have Contador's acceleration, but he does have sustained climbing speed.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; when in the shit, the wise man plants courgettes
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 10:21:53
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Simon Brooke wrote:
> My guess is that they don't think Contador could sustain a long break. He's
> got lots of acceleration, but how much endurance has he? Rasmussen doesn't
> have Contador's acceleration, but he does have sustained climbing speed.
He wasn't that far off Contador's acceleration. He closed the initial gap
the first time Contador went pretty quickly and the only other time that
Contador got a small gap near the top he couldn't sustain the pace and
Rasmussen closed it down again.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 09:31:13
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Michael Press wrote:
> They were trying out Rasmussen today. Contador had
> Rasmussen on a leash, and as they got to the top, there
> was Hincapie. I think they were trying to get into
> Rasmussen's head for Wednesday.
>
> Somebody in the announcing team thought Contador should
> have gone earlier, even the penultimate climb. I assume
> the team knows what they are doing.
The obvious tactic was that Contador would take a small lead over
Rasmussen and isolate him, meet Hincapie at the top and work together
in the descent to widen the gap. It worked perfectly, really amazing
how Hincapie was *right* there, except for the gap.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 03:36:21
From: steve
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On 23-Jul-2007, smacked up and reeling, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net >
blindly formulated
the following incoherence:
> > The idea would be to get him in an early break, too early for Rasmussen
> > to
> > sensibly go. But LL would have to be willing to sacrifice his GC
> > position
> > for ACs chance.
> >
>
> You're assuming Menchov and BoogerD, et. al. won't be there for support at
>
> that point.
Im not assuming that. Im suggesting that Popo or LL could attempt to go on
one of the two big early climbs (or follow an early break before the climbs
start), forcing Rabos support men to ride hard to limit the break. Better
yet if one Disco goes on/before the first climb, then the other goes on the
next one. Rabo cant/wont cover every attack that early, but will instead
ride a tempo marginally sustainable by thier support men. Discos reasonably
strong climbers would have a good chance of getting off the front and making
Rabo chase hard all day. If Rabo burns up early on or before the final
climb, MR will be vulnerable for more than a few second gain.
There are unknowns and difficulties (like Evans might have his team assist a
chase if LL is away), but if Disco wants to win they have to put Rabo under
early pressure. AC probably needs to snatch 1:30-2:00 to be close enough to
worry MR. And AC doesnt have second place in the bag, either. Making the
Lottos work wouldnt hurt.
--
"The accused will now make a bogus statement."
James Joyce
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:49:49
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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"steve" <steve@steve.com > wrote in message
news:g8qdnRMoCbwypDjbnZ2dnUVZ_tCrnZ2d@rcn.net...
> On 23-Jul-2007, smacked up and reeling, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
> blindly formulated
> the following incoherence:
>
>> I can't see Levi extending Rasmussen. Levi hasn't shown that he has the
>> explosiveness to take it out of Rasmussen's legs and I don't think that
>> the
>> pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable either.
>> Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run alongside...
>
> The idea would be to get him in an early break, too early for Rasmussen to
> sensibly go. But LL would have to be willing to sacrifice his GC position
> for ACs chance.
>
You're assuming Menchov and BoogerD, et. al. won't be there for support at
that point.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 17:51:45
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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"steve" <steve@steve.com > wrote in message
news:Bp-dnWXjRbDCuTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Contador was about 30 seconds faster than the Dane in the first TT, and he
> certainly looked to put Rasmussen in some difficulty late in today's
> stage.
> Phil has said repeatedly that "AC will not win this years TdF", but if he
> takes some time on Rasmussen Wednesday he very well could give Disco the
> GC
> win. MR's team has been tested and they seem up to the task, but Disco
> could use a well placed Levi to put early pressure on Rabo and possibly
> isolate MR by the final climb. And if Evans doesnt lose more time, we
> could
> have three credible GC contenders going into the last TT. When was the
> last
> time that happened?
>
I can't see Levi extending Rasmussen. Levi hasn't shown that he has the
explosiveness to take it out of Rasmussen's legs and I don't think that the
pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable either.
Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run alongside...
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 01:08:18
From: Callistus Valerius
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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and I don't think that the
> pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable either.
> Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run alongside...
--------
Bravo, the truth.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 23:41:44
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:9iapi.2327$WP1.642@newsfe19.lga...
>
> "steve" <steve@steve.com> wrote in message
> news:Bp-dnWXjRbDCuTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@rcn.net...
>> Contador was about 30 seconds faster than the Dane in the first TT, and
>> he
>> certainly looked to put Rasmussen in some difficulty late in today's
>> stage.
>> Phil has said repeatedly that "AC will not win this years TdF", but if he
>> takes some time on Rasmussen Wednesday he very well could give Disco the
>> GC
>> win. MR's team has been tested and they seem up to the task, but Disco
>> could use a well placed Levi to put early pressure on Rabo and possibly
>> isolate MR by the final climb. And if Evans doesnt lose more time, we
>> could
>> have three credible GC contenders going into the last TT. When was the
>> last
>> time that happened?
>>
>
> I can't see Levi extending Rasmussen. Levi hasn't shown that he has the
> explosiveness to take it out of Rasmussen's legs and I don't think that
> the pace Levi would set would leave Rasmussen particularly vulnerable
> either. Maybe if you gave Odessa a thong and an antler helmet to run
> alongside...
Levi is a GC plodder - he can ride fast but he can't match the accelerations
of a true climber. While he has a definite advantage in a long hard stage
with a lot of fast flats between hard climbs, he isn't the sort of guy who
can make a fast final climb with the real climbers.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 22:01:25
From: Doug Taylor
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:41:44 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>Levi is a GC plodder - he can ride fast but he can't match the accelerations
>of a true climber. While he has a definite advantage in a long hard stage
>with a lot of fast flats between hard climbs, he isn't the sort of guy who
>can make a fast final climb with the real climbers.
This also describes Kloden and Evans.
Evans, Kloden, Leipheimer and Contador can all out TT Skeletor. It's
simply a matter of can they stay close enough Wednesday to make it up
on a flat 55k TT Saturday?
Contador has the best shot time-wise to take yellow in Paris with
Skeletor on the second step.
Evans, Kloden and Levi are all shooting for third unless something
dramatic happens Wednesday.
Astana and Vino will support Kloden and who knows what those crazy
mofos can do to bust things up? Can they - and Disco - isolate
Skeletor and get sufficient time back for Klodi, Contador, and Levi?
Can Evans and his one mountain support, Horner, stay with them?
If they don't, then Skeletor will have enough to keep yellow all the
way to Paris by around 2 minutes.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 21:44:16
From: alex beascoechea
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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Astana is out!
"Doug Taylor" <dtaylor@dreamscape.com > wrote in message
news:f2laa3pppa5uii8q9m38h7c5jm5ia0et17@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:41:44 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Levi is a GC plodder - he can ride fast but he can't match the
>>accelerations
>>of a true climber. While he has a definite advantage in a long hard stage
>>with a lot of fast flats between hard climbs, he isn't the sort of guy who
>>can make a fast final climb with the real climbers.
>
> This also describes Kloden and Evans.
>
> Evans, Kloden, Leipheimer and Contador can all out TT Skeletor. It's
> simply a matter of can they stay close enough Wednesday to make it up
> on a flat 55k TT Saturday?
>
> Contador has the best shot time-wise to take yellow in Paris with
> Skeletor on the second step.
>
> Evans, Kloden and Levi are all shooting for third unless something
> dramatic happens Wednesday.
>
> Astana and Vino will support Kloden and who knows what those crazy
> mofos can do to bust things up? Can they - and Disco - isolate
> Skeletor and get sufficient time back for Klodi, Contador, and Levi?
> Can Evans and his one mountain support, Horner, stay with them?
>
> If they don't, then Skeletor will have enough to keep yellow all the
> way to Paris by around 2 minutes.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 00:22:22
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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"steve" <steve@steve.com > wrote in message
news:Bp-dnWXjRbDCuTjbnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Contador was about 30 seconds faster than the Dane in the first TT, and he
> certainly looked to put Rasmussen in some difficulty late in today's
> stage.
> Phil has said repeatedly that "AC will not win this years TdF", but if he
> takes some time on Rasmussen Wednesday he very well could give Disco the
> GC
> win. MR's team has been tested and they seem up to the task, but Disco
> could use a well placed Levi to put early pressure on Rabo and possibly
> isolate MR by the final climb. And if Evans doesnt lose more time, we
> could
> have three credible GC contenders going into the last TT. When was the
> last
> time that happened?
In 1968 there were even nine contenders going into the last stage, a 55 km
TT (1. Van Springel 2. San Miguel 0'12" 3. Janssen 0'16" 4.Bitossi 0'58" 5.
Gandarias 1'15" 6. Aimar 1'38" 7. Bracke 1'56" 8. Wolfshohl 2'12" 9.
Pingeon 2'38")
Benjo
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 03:43:53
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Can Contador win?
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benjo maso wrote:
> In 1968 there were even nine contenders going into the last stage, a 55 km
> TT (1. Van Springel 2. San Miguel 0'12" 3. Janssen 0'16" 4.Bitossi 0'58" 5.
> Gandarias 1'15" 6. Aimar 1'38" 7. Bracke 1'56" 8. Wolfshohl 2'12" 9.
> Pingeon 2'38")
1 Janssen, Jan NL 133 49'42"
2 Vanspringel, Herman B 38"
3 Bracke, Ferdinand B 3'03"
4 San Miguel, Gregorio E 3'17"
5 Pingeon, Roger F 3'29"
6 Wolfshohl, Rolf D 3'46"
7 Aimar, Lucien F 4'44"
8 Bitossi, Franco I 4'59"
9 Gandarias, Andres E 5'05"
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