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Date: 11 Jul 2007 08:56:31
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Subject: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
win ahead of the sprinters?
Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
or also really want a stage win?
Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
- Corey
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 23:30:33
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 4:44 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jul 11, 11:56 am, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> > too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> > win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> > Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> > that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
> > And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
> > are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
> > or also really want a stage win?
>
> > Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> > Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
> > detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> > changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> > watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
>
> > - Corey
>
> ???? should be plainly obvious that these guys are DRAINED of all
> possible energy at 80% of the total distance. Cancellera had two
> convulsive spasms as he expressed emotion after crossing the finish.
> It should also be obvious that not mentioning Cancellera was pointing
> Cancellera out when the camera picked Cancellera out as he traveled in
> a flying wedge on the right side over a considerable distance.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
well, time to eat your jock strap on this won!
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:25:09
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 12, 8:58 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
> > > factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
> > > so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
> > > troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>
> > I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
>
>
> It's like a moral failing on my part that goldschlager hasn't been
> mentioned yet.
The continuing education program seems to be failing as well.
It pains me to say it, but I wonder if your heart's really in it
anymore.
R
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 04:56:04
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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In article <1184300709.597994.128030@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 8:58 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
> > RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
> > > > factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
> > > > so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
> > > > troops, it will devolve into civil war.
> >
> > > I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
> >
> >
> > It's like a moral failing on my part that goldschlager hasn't been
> > mentioned yet.
>
> The continuing education program seems to be failing as well.
>
> It pains me to say it, but I wonder if your heart's really in it
> anymore.
>
> R
Well, some people just phone it in, you know? I just type it in.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:20:27
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 12, 11:31 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
>
> Are we looking for their Chocolates of Mass Destruction? That Duelfer Report will
> turn out quite different than the last one.
Dude, _I_ am the Mass Destructor of Chocolate.
Leave a box of chocolates near me and see what happens. Go ahead,
punk, make my day.
R
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:59:20
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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In article <1184300427.335167.70660@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 11:31 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
> >
> > Are we looking for their Chocolates of Mass Destruction? That Duelfer
> > Report will
> > turn out quite different than the last one.
>
> Dude, _I_ am the Mass Destructor of Chocolate.
> Leave a box of chocolates near me and see what happens. Go ahead,
> punk, make my day.
Will a 50 lb bag of Guittard do?
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 11:52:30
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 12, 2:33 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Jul 12, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> >> Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
> >> factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
> >> so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
> >> troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>
> > I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
>
> Pocketknives and timepieces.
Which is the one with the blonde girls with tits too big for their
dresses? Can we spare them the suffering? I'm offering refugee
status and free shots of tequila to help calm their ravaged nerves.
http://www.ronjo.com/costume/prods/PLBY-400199.html
http://www.buycostumes.com/Category/126/Product/32035/ProductDetail.aspx
R
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 19:40:05
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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In article <1184266350.536751.290430@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2:33 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > RicodJour wrote:
> > > On Jul 12, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> > >> Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
> > >> factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
> > >> so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
> > >> troops, it will devolve into civil war.
> >
> > > I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
> >
> > Pocketknives and timepieces.
>
> Which is the one with the blonde girls with tits too big for their
> dresses? Can we spare them the suffering? I'm offering refugee
> status and free shots of tequila to help calm their ravaged nerves.
>
> http://www.ronjo.com/costume/prods/PLBY-400199.html
> http://www.buycostumes.com/Category/126/Product/32035/ProductDetail.aspx
Along those lines:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGcdGNlKifY
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 11:26:17
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
>
> Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
> factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
> so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
> troops, it will devolve into civil war.
I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
R
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 21:55:43
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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In article
<1184264777.943930.142030@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >
,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
> > factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
> > so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
> > troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>
> I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
Harry Lime: Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that
awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under
the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and
bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da
Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had
brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and
peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So
long Holly.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 14 Jul 2007 09:23:35
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 21:55:43 GMT, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:
>In article
><1184264777.943930.142030@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
>,
> RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
>> > factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
>> > so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
>> > troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>>
>> I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
>
>Harry Lime: Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that
>awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under
>the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and
>bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da
>Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had
>brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and
>peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So
>long Holly.
Great quote, I can hear the zither music already.
Ron
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Date: 14 Jul 2007 04:16:54
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-2B2CC6.14554413072007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article
> <1184264777.943930.142030@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
> ,
> RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
>> > factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
>> > so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
>> > troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>>
>> I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
>
> Harry Lime: Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that
> awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under
> the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and
> bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da
> Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had
> brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and
> peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So
> long Holly.
But you forget what an orderly society they are. What with a cop on every
corner it's hard to break any laws without someone bouncing a nightstick off
of your head.
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Date: 14 Jul 2007 01:14:26
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-2B2CC6.14554413072007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article
> <1184264777.943930.142030@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
> ,
> RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
>> > factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
>> > so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
>> > troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>>
>> I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
>
> Harry Lime: Don't be so gloomy. After all it's not that
> awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under
> the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and
> bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da
> Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had
> brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and
> peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.
And not even that: cuckoo clocks are from the Black Forest in Germany...
Benjo
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 00:58:23
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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In article <1184264777.943930.142030@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
> > factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
> > so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
> > troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>
> I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
>
> R
It's like a moral failing on my part that goldschlager hasn't been
mentioned yet.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 20:33:15
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
>> Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
>> factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
>> so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
>> troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>
> I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
>
> R
>
Pocketknives and timepieces.
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 13:31:24
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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"RicodJour" <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote in message
news:1184264777.943930.142030@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 12, 2:21 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
>> factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
>> so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
>> troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>
> I'm aware of the cheese and chocolate factions, but what's the third?
>
Army Knives
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 18:21:47
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 12, 1:21 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > At least we'll be able to rebuild Switzerland
> > with the income from its chocolate exports.
>
> And the Swiss are reputed to be obsessed with cleanliness and tidiness so
> presumably they will at least clean up the streets after all those messy
> IED explosions.
Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
troops, it will devolve into civil war.
On the bright side, after we sack and occupy Geneva,
there shouldn't be any question about having to
be restricted by those pesky Geneva Conventions.
Ben
RBR Office of Special Plans
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 20:31:19
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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In article <1184264507.624416.55300@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 1:21 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > > At least we'll be able to rebuild Switzerland
> > > with the income from its chocolate exports.
> >
> > And the Swiss are reputed to be obsessed with cleanliness and tidiness so
> > presumably they will at least clean up the streets after all those messy
> > IED explosions.
>
> Switzerland, of course, has three different tribal
> factions - they don't even speak the same language! -
> so I'm worried that if we don't go in there with enough
> troops, it will devolve into civil war.
>
> On the bright side, after we sack and occupy Geneva,
> there shouldn't be any question about having to
> be restricted by those pesky Geneva Conventions.
>
> Ben
> RBR Office of Special Plans
Are we looking for their Chocolates of Mass Destruction? That Duelfer Report will
turn out quite different than the last one.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 04:45:13
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 12, 2:36 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 6:13 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jul 11, 2:33 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >>> On Jul 11, 4:16 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
> >>> IMO most of the "civilians" people are crying about are equivalent
> >>> combatants to the Geneva Convention roles and are legitimate targets.
> >>> Bill C
> >> Yep, you can't be too careful around those baby terrorists and their
> >> fighting grannies. Heck, just let God sort 'em out, as the French
> >> bishops used to say...
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/11/iraq.main/index.html?eref=r...
> > Quoted:
> > BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Civilians helped coalition and Iraqi forces
> > conduct a massive raid on an al Qaeda hideout in the town of Sherween,
> > leaving 20 suspected terrorists dead and 20 more in coalition custody,
> > the U.S. military said Wednesday.
>
> > How are they "civilians" if they are participating in a military
> > operation?
> > Bill C
>
> Thanks for hijacking the thread, dumbass. All the off-topic threads
> aren't enough for you, you have to spoil this one too?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Kyle here's a quote:
"Hey Simon my E-mail is good how about answering a question "
If that's not a plain enough invitation to keep this out of the
thread I don't know what is, and some people were able to read for
content and did use the e-mail.
Doesn't look like the thread got hijacked and people understood it
perfectly well.
Bill C
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 20:19:44
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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in message <1184240713.537967.322430@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com >, Bill C
('tritonrider@verizon.net') wrote:
> "Hey Simon my E-mail is good how about answering a question "
My email is good, too, if you have a question.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
.::;===r==\
/ /___
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:13:34
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 5:55 pm, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com > wrote:
> RicodJour wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 4:11 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jul 11, 1:01 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jul 11, 3:55 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
>
> >>> Ummm, I think they call it the EU. There are no borders. They are
> >>> all brothers. Your turf is my turf. Everybody hold hands now.
> >>> Kumbaya, Kumbaya!
>
> >> Switzerland doesn't belong to the EU.
> >> The invasion has been taking place for years, but the Swiss are quiet,
> >> discreet, and have more money than Africans.
>
> > Quite deep sarchasm.
>
> Fraudian slip? (nyuk, nyuk!)
I thought he was Austrian.
R
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 16:23:48
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 6:13 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2:33 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 11, 4:16 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > IMO most of the "civilians" people are crying about are equivalent
> > combatants to the Geneva Convention roles and are legitimate targets.
> > Bill C
>
> Yep, you can't be too careful around those baby terrorists and their
> fighting grannies. Heck, just let God sort 'em out, as the French
> bishops used to say...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/11/iraq.main/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Quoted:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Civilians helped coalition and Iraqi forces
conduct a massive raid on an al Qaeda hideout in the town of Sherween,
leaving 20 suspected terrorists dead and 20 more in coalition custody,
the U.S. military said Wednesday.
How are they "civilians" if they are participating in a military
operation?
Bill C
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 08:36:22
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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Bill C wrote:
> On Jul 11, 6:13 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 2:33 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 11, 4:16 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>>> IMO most of the "civilians" people are crying about are equivalent
>>> combatants to the Geneva Convention roles and are legitimate targets.
>>> Bill C
>> Yep, you can't be too careful around those baby terrorists and their
>> fighting grannies. Heck, just let God sort 'em out, as the French
>> bishops used to say...
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/11/iraq.main/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
> Quoted:
> BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Civilians helped coalition and Iraqi forces
> conduct a massive raid on an al Qaeda hideout in the town of Sherween,
> leaving 20 suspected terrorists dead and 20 more in coalition custody,
> the U.S. military said Wednesday.
>
> How are they "civilians" if they are participating in a military
> operation?
> Bill C
>
Thanks for hijacking the thread, dumbass. All the off-topic threads
aren't enough for you, you have to spoil this one too?
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 00:04:48
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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Bill C wrote:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/11/iraq.main/index.html?eref=rss
> _topstories Quoted:
> BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Civilians helped coalition and Iraqi forces
> conduct a massive raid on an al Qaeda hideout in the town of Sherween,
> leaving 20 suspected terrorists dead and 20 more in coalition custody,
> the U.S. military said Wednesday.
>
> How are they "civilians" if they are participating in a military
> operation?
> Bill C
>
>
It says "helped," which probably means they stood there and pointed out
which house, rather than laying down covering fire or spearheading the
assault. In all likelihood, they pointed out the house of some rival tribe
members with which they had an ancient feud, and if the U.S. had gotten to
the people they had killed before they got to the ones providing
assistance, the dead people would be alive and referred to as helpers and
the living ones would be dead and referred to as suspected terrorists.
It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 15:23:38
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 2:33 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jul 11, 4:16 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > Switzerland isn't in the EU. It isn't in NATO, either. Switzerland's turf
> > is Switzerland's turf and no-one else's; and all good red blooded Swiss
> > men keep a machine carbine in the house to make sure it stays that way.
>
> > --
> > s...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
> > ;; killing [afghan
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 10:21:30
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> At least we'll be able to rebuild Switzerland
> with the income from its chocolate exports.
And the Swiss are reputed to be obsessed with cleanliness and tidiness so
presumably they will at least clean up the streets after all those messy
IED explosions.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 15:13:59
From:
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 2:33 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jul 11, 4:16 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>
>
> IMO most of the "civilians" people are crying about are equivalent
> combatants to the Geneva Convention roles and are legitimate targets.
> Bill C
Yep, you can't be too careful around those baby terrorists and their
fighting grannies. Heck, just let God sort 'em out, as the French
bishops used to say...
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 03:58:17
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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<benn.trovato@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1184192039.089108.10310@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 11, 2:33 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 4:16 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> IMO most of the "civilians" people are crying about are equivalent
>> combatants to the Geneva Convention roles and are legitimate targets.
>> Bill C
>
> Yep, you can't be too careful around those baby terrorists and their
> fighting grannies. Heck, just let God sort 'em out, as the French
> bishops used to say...
The man whio is supposed to have said it wasn't a bishop (yet), but a monk,
the abbot of Cîteaux and the papal legate.His name was Amaury. Must be
related to the owner of the Tour (Amaury Sports Organisation). Can't be a
coincidence.
Benjo
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 14:10:45
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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benjo maso schreef:
> <benn.trovato@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Heck, just let God sort 'em out, as the French
>> bishops used to say...
>
> The man whio is supposed to have said it wasn't a bishop (yet), but a monk,
> the abbot of Cîteaux and the papal legate.His name was Amaury. Must be
> related to the owner of the Tour (Amaury Sports Organisation). Can't be a
> coincidence.
I love it.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 14:56:18
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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Ewoud Dronkert <firstname@lastname.net.invalid > writes:
> benjo maso schreef:
>> <benn.trovato@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Heck, just let God sort 'em out, as the French
>>> bishops used to say...
>>
>> The man whio is supposed to have said it wasn't a bishop (yet), but
>> a monk, the abbot of Cîteaux and the papal legate.His name was
>> Amaury. Must be related to the owner of the Tour (Amaury Sports
>> Organisation). Can't be a coincidence.
>
> I love it.
>
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
Named after a guy in the final analysis, Philippe Amaury, who owns much
of the publishing business in that part of the World
--
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are tired of reading of factories going to China and jobs going to
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to demand their "civil rights" and the Government hands out their Tax
Money as Welfare with both hands.
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 10:19:35
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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benjo maso wrote:
> The man whio is supposed to have said it wasn't a bishop (yet), but a monk,
> the abbot of Cîteaux and the papal legate.His name was Amaury. Must be
> related to the owner of the Tour (Amaury Sports Organisation). Can't be a
> coincidence.
Must have something to do with that conspirancy involving Da Vinci
and some ancient order started by extraterrestrials who are involved in
supplying the peloton with blue cooler boxes full of shit that will kill
them.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:33:41
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 4:16 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <1184184070.552220.269...@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>
> RicodJour ('ricodj...@worldemail.com') wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 3:55 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> corey wrote:
> >> > Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> >> > Cancellara wins on "home turf"
>
> >> Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
>
> > Ummm, I think they call it the EU. There are no borders. They are
> > all brothers. Your turf is my turf. Everybody hold hands now.
> > Kumbaya, Kumbaya!
>
> Switzerland isn't in the EU. It isn't in NATO, either. Switzerland's turf
> is Switzerland's turf and no-one else's; and all good red blooded Swiss
> men keep a machine carbine in the house to make sure it stays that way.
>
> --
> s...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> ;; killing [afghan
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:45:11
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 4:11 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 11, 1:01 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 3:55 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
>
> > Ummm, I think they call it the EU. There are no borders. They are
> > all brothers. Your turf is my turf. Everybody hold hands now.
> > Kumbaya, Kumbaya!
>
> Switzerland doesn't belong to the EU.
> The invasion has been taking place for years, but the Swiss are quiet,
> discreet, and have more money than Africans.
Quite deep sarchasm.
R
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 21:55:32
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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RicodJour wrote:
> On Jul 11, 4:11 pm, benn.trov...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 1:01 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jul 11, 3:55 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
>>> Ummm, I think they call it the EU. There are no borders. They are
>>> all brothers. Your turf is my turf. Everybody hold hands now.
>>> Kumbaya, Kumbaya!
>> Switzerland doesn't belong to the EU.
>> The invasion has been taking place for years, but the Swiss are quiet,
>> discreet, and have more money than Africans.
>
> Quite deep sarchasm.
>
> R
>
Fraudian slip? (nyuk, nyuk!)
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 20:44:05
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 11:56 am, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
> And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
> are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
> or also really want a stage win?
>
> Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
> detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
>
> - Corey
???? should be plainly obvious that these guys are DRAINED of all
possible energy at 80% of the total distance. Cancellera had two
convulsive spasms as he expressed emotion after crossing the finish.
It should also be obvious that not mentioning Cancellera was pointing
Cancellera out when the camera picked Cancellera out as he traveled in
a flying wedge on the right side over a considerable distance.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:24:08
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 3:38 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <1184177083.441346.43...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Bill C
>
> ('tritonri...@verizon.net') wrote:
> > Have to wonder how McEwan is doing physically and how the hell Boonen
> > managed to miss todays sprint so badly?
>
> I told you: God loves him. God so loves Tom Boonen that He smote Mark
> Cavendish and Robbie McEwan on Sunday with the Holy Pump in the Spokes.
> God so loves Tom Boonen that He smote all the other sprinters on Monday
> with the Wayward Pedal of Zabel. God so loves Tom Boonen that he
> miraculously turned the finish straight on Tuesday to cobbles.
>
> With God on your side, how /can/ you lose?
>
> --
> s...@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke)http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> The Conservative Party is now dead. The corpse may still be
> twitching, but resurrection is not an option - unless Satan
> chucks them out of Hell as too objectionable even for him.
I don't know, but seems to me lots of Fundamentalists are losers. If
everyone is praying for Gods help when one guy wins, does that mean
God hates the rest?
Enquiring minds want to know, but the Weekly World News has the real
answers!:
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/
Quality journalism at it's finest!
Bill C
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 10:26:06
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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Simon Brooke wrote:
>> I told you: God loves him. God so loves Tom Boonen that He smote Mark
>> Cavendish and Robbie McEwan on Sunday with the Holy Pump in the Spokes.
Bill C wrote:
> I don't know, but seems to me lots of Fundamentalists are losers. If
> everyone is praying for Gods help when one guy wins, does that mean
> God hates the rest?
I think he has to worry about being sued by the rest. And he doesn't like
cyclists because Eddy tried to cast him out of heaven.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:17:31
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 3:30 pm, Simon Brooke <s...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
> in message <Ao8li.106254$1i1.82707@pd7urf3no>, mimoso ('mim...@yahoo.com')
> wrote:
>
> > <c...@sweetness.com> wrote in message
> >news:1184169391.450975.243780@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> >> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> >> win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> > first this is the beginning of TdF, second he's not a threat for GC,
>
> No?
>
> I agree he's not yet a very serious threat. But I also think he's
> under-rated. He stands a good chance of being stage winner on Stage 13 and
> Stage 20, since they're both CLMs and he is one of the best
> time-triallists in the peloton. However, you typically only gain seconds
> on CLM stages, and I expect he will lose minutes on some of the mountain
> stages, so I don't expect him to win this year. However, it depends to
> some extent on how much support the team give him - unlikely to be much,
> because Schleck and Sastre should be much better in the mountains. But if
> Sastre has a crash and CSC concentrate on getting Cancellara through the
> mountains...
>
> I don't expect he'll win this year, although if I could get a bet at the
> odds he was on last week, it would be worth a punt. But he'll be a serious
> GC contender within three years.
You only have a man-crush on him because he's photogenic, admit it.
R
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:11:13
From:
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 1:01 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 11, 3:55 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
>
> Ummm, I think they call it the EU. There are no borders. They are
> all brothers. Your turf is my turf. Everybody hold hands now.
> Kumbaya, Kumbaya!
>
Switzerland doesn't belong to the EU.
The invasion has been taking place for years, but the Swiss are quiet,
discreet, and have more money than Africans.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:01:10
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 3:55 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> corey wrote:
> > Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> > Cancellara wins on "home turf"
>
> Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
Ummm, I think they call it the EU. There are no borders. They are
all brothers. Your turf is my turf. Everybody hold hands now.
Kumbaya, Kumbaya!
Everybody now!
R
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 21:16:27
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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in message <1184184070.552220.269450@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour ('ricodjour@worldemail.com') wrote:
> On Jul 11, 3:55 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> corey wrote:
>> > Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
>> > Cancellara wins on "home turf"
>>
>> Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
>
> Ummm, I think they call it the EU. There are no borders. They are
> all brothers. Your turf is my turf. Everybody hold hands now.
> Kumbaya, Kumbaya!
Switzerland isn't in the EU. It isn't in NATO, either. Switzerland's turf
is Switzerland's turf and no-one else's; and all good red blooded Swiss
men keep a machine carbine in the house to make sure it stays that way.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; killing [afghan
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 10:16:48
From: _
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:16:27 +0100, Simon Brooke wrote:
> in message <1184184070.552220.269450@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> RicodJour ('ricodjour@worldemail.com') wrote:
>
>> On Jul 11, 3:55 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> corey wrote:
>>> > Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
>>> > Cancellara wins on "home turf"
>>>
>>> Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
>>
>> Ummm, I think they call it the EU. There are no borders. They are
>> all brothers. Your turf is my turf. Everybody hold hands now.
>> Kumbaya, Kumbaya!
>
> Switzerland isn't in the EU. It isn't in NATO, either. Switzerland's turf
> is Switzerland's turf and no-one else's; and all good red blooded Swiss
> men keep a machine carbine in the house to make sure it stays that way.
"Switzerland doesn't have an army, Switzerland *is* an army."
Sometimes they have artillery practice in the valleys, guns on one side,
targets on the other.
Live rounds.
Highway in the middle stays open.
They do post signs that say "Avis de Tir" or something like that.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 21:55:58
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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corey wrote:
> Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> Cancellara wins on "home turf"
Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 20:31:48
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On 07/11/2007 01:55 PM, in article
4695361e$0$9829$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com, "Donald Munro"
<fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> corey wrote:
>> Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
>> Cancellara wins on "home turf"
>
> Why hasn't CNN reported the invasion of France by Switzerland ?
Somebody thinking that just because Paris-Roubaix starts in Compiegne; some
100 km before any cobbled sections of that race, that Compiegne is
"home-turf" for Cancellara, because he won on the cobbles in Roubaix last
year.
--
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stevens at veloworks dot com
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 18:44:58
From:
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 6:51 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 11, 9:19 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 5:56 pm, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
>
> > > Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> > > too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> > > win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> > > Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> > > that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
> > > And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
> > > are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
> > > or also really want a stage win?
>
> > > Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> > > Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
> > > detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> > > changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> > > watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
>
> > > - Corey
>
> > In my opinion, what looked "easy" was actually a subtle point made by
> > Cancellara, that is, by sprinting up to the remains of the breakaway,
> > he confused the sprinters teams who found it much harder to compute
> > Cancellara's speed when he was in the midst of these other riders, and
> > to adjust their speed accordingly. If the break hadn't been there,
> > then his move would have had much less chance of working.
>
> > Such moves work very rarely, Ekimov won this way in 1991 and failed in
> > dozens of subsequent attempts. Cancellara was not previously marked
> > for such attacks, I believe, but it will now be even harder for him to
> > win this way. He has had some good field sprint results, he finished
> > 2nd in one in this year's Tour of Switzerland.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> There was some kilo specialist in 89(?) that attacked 800m from the
> finish in 2 stages in the TdF and it worked for him both times. I
> don't have the encyclopaedic memory like Benjo so . . .
>
> As for Ekimov - I think he lacked the pure speed for that move to work
> in his later years. He probably kept trying it because what else is he
> going to do?
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
Well, just because it worked twice in one year doesn't mean it works
often. Another person who tried numerous times with at least one
success was Jesper Skibby.
-ilan
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:22:03
From: Mikko J Virtanen
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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ilanpsi@gmail.com writes:
> Well, just because it worked twice in one year doesn't mean it works
> often. Another person who tried numerous times with at least one
> success was Jesper Skibby.
Bertogliati, stage 1 2002, perhaps. On Zabel's birthday, it seems.
> -ilan
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 22:07:01
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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"Mikko J Virtanen" <mikko.j.virtanen@taloverkot.fi > wrote in message
news:m2bqei21b8.fsf@Tietokone-Mikko-Virtanen.local...
> ilanpsi@gmail.com writes:
>
>> Well, just because it worked twice in one year doesn't mean it works
>> often. Another person who tried numerous times with at least one
>> success was Jesper Skibby.
>
> Bertogliati, stage 1 2002, perhaps. On Zabel's birthday, it seems.
One of the greatest specialists of making a breakaway in the last kilometer
was Willy Teirlinck. That was the way he won 5 TdF stages: three in 1972,
one in 1973 and 1976.
Benjo
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 13:10:23
From: jyh
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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In article <5fkrj5F3boqbfU1@mid.individual.net >,
"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote:
>
> "Mikko J Virtanen" <mikko.j.virtanen@taloverkot.fi> wrote in message
> news:m2bqei21b8.fsf@Tietokone-Mikko-Virtanen.local...
> > ilanpsi@gmail.com writes:
> >
> >> Well, just because it worked twice in one year doesn't mean it works
> >> often. Another person who tried numerous times with at least one
> >> success was Jesper Skibby.
> >
> > Bertogliati, stage 1 2002, perhaps. On Zabel's birthday, it seems.
>
>
> One of the greatest specialists of making a breakaway in the last kilometer
> was Willy Teirlinck. That was the way he won 5 TdF stages: three in 1972,
> one in 1973 and 1976.
Jan Raas won a few like that too.
jyh.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 13:32:49
From: samson
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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In article <1184169391.450975.243780@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com >,
corey@sweetness.com says...
> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
> And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
> are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
> or also really want a stage win?
>
> Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
> detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
>
>
>
> - Corey
Are you kidding? Four guys can't even get together
and go for a stage win.
S.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:24:11
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:56:31 -0700, corey@sweetness.com wrote:
>
>Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
>Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
>detract from all the negative press of the moment?
No.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 11:04:43
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 12:53 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 11, 8:56 am, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
>
> > Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> > too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> > win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> Dear Newbie -
>
> Please go away.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
C'mon with Lance gone all we've got left is the racing, pretty much. A
few came back for Flandis last year. This year it's a slim crop at
best. Luckily we've had good stages so far.
Have to wonder how McEwan is doing physically and how the hell Boonen
managed to miss todays sprint so badly?
Bill C
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 20:38:17
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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in message <1184177083.441346.43630@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com >, Bill C
('tritonrider@verizon.net') wrote:
> Have to wonder how McEwan is doing physically and how the hell Boonen
> managed to miss todays sprint so badly?
I told you: God loves him. God so loves Tom Boonen that He smote Mark
Cavendish and Robbie McEwan on Sunday with the Holy Pump in the Spokes.
God so loves Tom Boonen that He smote all the other sprinters on Monday
with the Wayward Pedal of Zabel. God so loves Tom Boonen that he
miraculously turned the finish straight on Tuesday to cobbles.
With God on your side, how /can/ you lose?
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
The Conservative Party is now dead. The corpse may still be
twitching, but resurrection is not an option - unless Satan
chucks them out of Hell as too objectionable even for him.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 17:25:52
From: mimoso
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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<corey@sweetness.com > wrote in message
news:1184169391.450975.243780@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> win ahead of the sprinters?
first this is the beginning of TdF, second he's not a thread for GC,
thus he's not the most marked man.
> Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
he seized the moment, sometimes it's all they need win.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 20:30:51
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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in message <Ao8li.106254$1i1.82707@pd7urf3no >, mimoso ('mimoso@yahoo.com')
wrote:
> <corey@sweetness.com> wrote in message
> news:1184169391.450975.243780@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
>> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
>> win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> first this is the beginning of TdF, second he's not a threat for GC,
No?
I agree he's not yet a very serious threat. But I also think he's
under-rated. He stands a good chance of being stage winner on Stage 13 and
Stage 20, since they're both CLMs and he is one of the best
time-triallists in the peloton. However, you typically only gain seconds
on CLM stages, and I expect he will lose minutes on some of the mountain
stages, so I don't expect him to win this year. However, it depends to
some extent on how much support the team give him - unlikely to be much,
because Schleck and Sastre should be much better in the mountains. But if
Sastre has a crash and CSC concentrate on getting Cancellara through the
mountains...
I don't expect he'll win this year, although if I could get a bet at the
odds he was on last week, it would be worth a punt. But he'll be a serious
GC contender within three years.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; Conservatives are not necessarily stupid,
;; but most stupid people are conservatives -- J S Mill
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 23:12:28
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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"Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote in message
news:confm4-qem.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> in message <Ao8li.106254$1i1.82707@pd7urf3no>, mimoso ('mimoso@yahoo.com')
> wrote:
>
>> <corey@sweetness.com> wrote in message
>> news:1184169391.450975.243780@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
>>> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
>>> win ahead of the sprinters?
>>
>> first this is the beginning of TdF, second he's not a threat for GC,
>
> No?
>
> I agree he's not yet a very serious threat. But I also think he's
> under-rated. He stands a good chance of being stage winner on Stage 13 and
> Stage 20, since they're both CLMs and he is one of the best
> time-triallists in the peloton. However, you typically only gain seconds
> on CLM stages, and I expect he will lose minutes on some of the mountain
> stages, so I don't expect him to win this year. However, it depends to
> some extent on how much support the team give him - unlikely to be much,
> because Schleck and Sastre should be much better in the mountains. But if
> Sastre has a crash and CSC concentrate on getting Cancellara through the
> mountains...
>
> I don't expect he'll win this year, although if I could get a bet at the
> odds he was on last week, it would be worth a punt. But he'll be a serious
> GC contender within three years.
That's what Cancellara said himself.
Benjo
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 17:55:23
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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in message <1184169391.450975.243780@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com >,
corey@sweetness.com (' corey@sweetness.com') wrote:
> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
So let's get this straight. He's a specialist on prologues, and he's a
specialist on classics, and he's a specialist on cobbles. What is this
paragon not a specialist on?
> And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
> are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
> or also really want a stage win?
>
> Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> Cancellara wins on "home turf"
He wasn't on home turf, or even near it.
Boonen is a sprinter who was quite near home turf and familiar with
cobbles. And it popular, charismatic and photogenic.
> and provides an uplifting story to
> detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
Nothing odd about it. The only thing odd is that people keep looking at
Cancellara and saying 'oh, but he's just a specialist at <insert whatever
the peloton is doing today >'. Cancellara isn't a specialist. He isn't
necessarily the best all round cyclist in the peloton, either - his
weakness may show in the mountains. But he is one of the best all round
cyclists in the peloton. What we say yesterday is that, as a strong man
which excellent bike handling skills, he's capable of being an opportunist
on an uphill finish on cobbles.
We've also seen, over the past three days, that the big sprint teams aren't
very flexible and are vulnerable to opportunists.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Q: Whats a webmaster?
A: Like a spider, but nowhere near as intelligent.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 09:53:05
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 8:56 am, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> win ahead of the sprinters?
Dear Newbie -
Please go away.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 09:51:39
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 9:19 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 11, 5:56 pm, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> > too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> > win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> > Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> > that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
> > And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
> > are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
> > or also really want a stage win?
>
> > Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> > Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
> > detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> > changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> > watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
>
> > - Corey
>
> In my opinion, what looked "easy" was actually a subtle point made by
> Cancellara, that is, by sprinting up to the remains of the breakaway,
> he confused the sprinters teams who found it much harder to compute
> Cancellara's speed when he was in the midst of these other riders, and
> to adjust their speed accordingly. If the break hadn't been there,
> then his move would have had much less chance of working.
>
> Such moves work very rarely, Ekimov won this way in 1991 and failed in
> dozens of subsequent attempts. Cancellara was not previously marked
> for such attacks, I believe, but it will now be even harder for him to
> win this way. He has had some good field sprint results, he finished
> 2nd in one in this year's Tour of Switzerland.
Dumbass -
There was some kilo specialist in 89(?) that attacked 800m from the
finish in 2 stages in the TdF and it worked for him both times. I
don't have the encyclopaedic memory like Benjo so . . .
As for Ekimov - I think he lacked the pure speed for that move to work
in his later years. He probably kept trying it because what else is he
going to do?
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 21:16:24
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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Kurgan Gringioni <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote:
> There was some kilo specialist in 89(?) that attacked 800m from the
> finish in 2 stages in the TdF and it worked for him both times. I
> don't have the encyclopaedic memory like Benjo so . . .
J.Neidam, J.Skibye and Ekimov where the specialist in getting away
arround the 1 km mark (finnisheus) in the late 80's and the beginning
of the 90's.
> As for Ekimov - I think he lacked the pure speed for that move to work
> in his later years. He probably kept trying it because what else is he
> going to do?
I think that the disapperance of the finnisheurs in the middel 90's
was that the peloton started riding faster on the last 5km.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 14:24:58
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:51:39 -0700, Kurgan Gringioni
<kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
>There was some kilo specialist in 89(?) that attacked 800m from the
>finish in 2 stages in the TdF and it worked for him both times. I
>don't have the encyclopaedic memory like Benjo so . . .
Nijdam?
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 19:40:16
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1184172699.939577.208210@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 11, 9:19 am, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jul 11, 5:56 pm, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
>> > too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
>> > win ahead of the sprinters?
>>
>> > Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
>> > that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
>> > And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
>> > are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
>> > or also really want a stage win?
>>
>> > Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
>> > Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
>> > detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
>> > changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
>> > watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
>>
>> > - Corey
>>
>> In my opinion, what looked "easy" was actually a subtle point made by
>> Cancellara, that is, by sprinting up to the remains of the breakaway,
>> he confused the sprinters teams who found it much harder to compute
>> Cancellara's speed when he was in the midst of these other riders, and
>> to adjust their speed accordingly. If the break hadn't been there,
>> then his move would have had much less chance of working.
>>
>> Such moves work very rarely, Ekimov won this way in 1991 and failed in
>> dozens of subsequent attempts. Cancellara was not previously marked
>> for such attacks, I believe, but it will now be even harder for him to
>> win this way. He has had some good field sprint results, he finished
>> 2nd in one in this year's Tour of Switzerland.
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> There was some kilo specialist in 89(?) that attacked 800m from the
> finish in 2 stages in the TdF and it worked for him both times. I
> don't have the encyclopaedic memory like Benjo so . . .
It was my fellow-countryman Jelle Nijdam. I didn't need a memory for that:
the Dutch commentator on TV screamed: "But he is doing a Jelle Nijdam!"
Benjo
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 16:19:15
From:
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 5:56 pm, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
> And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
> are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
> or also really want a stage win?
>
> Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
> detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
>
> - Corey
In my opinion, what looked "easy" was actually a subtle point made by
Cancellara, that is, by sprinting up to the remains of the breakaway,
he confused the sprinters teams who found it much harder to compute
Cancellara's speed when he was in the midst of these other riders, and
to adjust their speed accordingly. If the break hadn't been there,
then his move would have had much less chance of working.
Such moves work very rarely, Ekimov won this way in 1991 and failed in
dozens of subsequent attempts. Cancellara was not previously marked
for such attacks, I believe, but it will now be even harder for him to
win this way. He has had some good field sprint results, he finished
2nd in one in this year's Tour of Switzerland.
-ilan
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 09:10:20
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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On Jul 11, 11:56 am, c...@sweetness.com wrote:
> Was there anyone else who thought it was strangely straightforward and
> too "good a story" that the most marked man in the pack soloed to a
> win ahead of the sprinters?
>
> Yes, he's a specialist of the cobbles, but where there so many cobbles
> that they would be a deciding factor in the sprint?
> And, couldn't it be said that other folks (Boonen, Hincapie, et al)
> are equally talented on cobbles and either have strong sprint support
> or also really want a stage win?
>
> Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
> detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
You should never think out, lout. ;)
Cancellara wasn't on his home turf.
Photogenic...? "Cancellara looks smashing in yellow. Let's let him
have it today!" Ummm...no.
It wasn't expected as it was highly unusual, so that does make it a
little odd.
Cancellara has a huge engine and, it seems, excellent timing.
A lot of things could have happened. Only one thing did.
Cancellara executed a beautiful smack down.
R
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Date: 11 Jul 2007 12:09:26
From: Fred Pan
Subject: Re: Cancellara's sprint win...a little too convenient and easy?
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<corey@sweetness.com > wrote in message >
> Could there have been an peloton agreement that photogenic, popular
> Cancellara wins on "home turf" and provides an uplifting story to
> detract from all the negative press of the moment? Could money have
> changed hands? I know nothing and am just thinking out lout, but as I
> watched it yesterday I just though "huh...that's a little odd..."
>
>
>
> - Corey
>
Are suggesting that the group of pro cyclist that can't even get together
and agree to save their on asses from the UCI and WADA would agree to
something like letting Cancellara win? I don't see it. But then I don't
buy into any other conspiracy theories either.
Fred
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