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Date: 25 May 2007 09:19:30
From: Jason Spaceman
Subject: Commentary: Biking, Doping and the Death of Racing
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Center-left daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, after comparing the systematic
doping in the Telekom team to the systematic bribery perpetrated by
Siemens, vents its anger:
"It's the same with doping as it is with corruption: as long as
everyone does it, those who go clean are the losers, while the dirty
ones win. But in sports, there is a handicap: while the economy is
stable in the long term, entertainment can collapse at any time. Would
that be a bad thing? No. Cycle racing would still be a past time for
private citizens -- more as healthy exercise than as a real sport. But
competitive racing would become a freak show for just a few. So what?"
"The sport has failed dramatically. And nobody should be so naïve amid
all the promises of improvement to believe that the sport will change
its ways. The Spanish, Italians, and French have already experienced a
scandal like that now being experienced by the Germans -- without
anything having changed."
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Read it at
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,484981,00.html
J. Spaceman
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Date: 26 May 2007 10:54:17
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Commentary: Biking, Doping and the Death of Racing
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On May 26, 1:22 pm, "alex beascoechea" <alex_beascoec...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> It is always the same in Germany. When Jan was second the reason was that
> all the others were cheating. Telekom was the only clean team in the sport.
> It was easy to see that everybody coming to telecom had worse result, that
> proved that Telekom was clean... Bla,bla, bla... Zabel is an Icon, Aldan is
> a hero, Bolts this and that.... Now it turns out that they a a bunch of
> cheats with honest-looking faces) or are we all buying into the stereotypes
> (they are not dirty cheatting dagos)?
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> A similar attitude is shown in this group about the anglosaxons... They have
> superior ethics: Landis is a religious person (he could not lie), Hamilton
> has sworn on Tugboat tombstone, Lance just wanted it harder than anything
> else (he would not dare to risk his health after recovery from cancer), Greg
> had a miraculous recovery because he had the American mentality and was
> "technology" savvy.... Then we have the Chris Boarman and D. Millar (yes he
> was supposed to be the same case, a supertalent that could not flourish in a
> world of dopers). The could not recover well enough, the others were
> doping...
dumbass,
that is a an accurate take, but not everyone on rbr has that view. the
image of americans all being biy scouts has also taken a few hits.
i avoid the cyclingnews letters, because whenever i read them i read
uninformed, hero-worship, which is either comical or nauseating :
http://www.cyclingnews.com/letters.php?id=letters/2007/05-25letters#14
"Armstrong can defend himself
What does the tape matter? If you are looking for "evidence" with that
then you will find nothing. Look to the facts...the guy rode more
miles than all of them, rested better than all of them, ate better
than all of them, and wanted it more than all of them. His reason for
riding was bigger than theirs. Let it go.
So many people have to blame great performances on cheating because
they cannot accept the fact that someone can discipline themselves the
way Lance did. I don't say that directly about anyone and that remains
my observation. Things we can't comprehend we try to explain away or
deny. The guy was ruthlessly competitive, had the genetic makeup to do
it, and the mental strength (thanks to cancer) to do what he did! Just
because LeMond is a jealous little man doesn't mean other people
cheated. "
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Date: 26 May 2007 19:22:34
From: alex beascoechea
Subject: Re: Commentary: Biking, Doping and the Death of Racing
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It is always the same in Germany. When Jan was second the reason was that
all the others were cheating. Telekom was the only clean team in the sport.
It was easy to see that everybody coming to telecom had worse result, that
proved that Telekom was clean... Bla,bla, bla... Zabel is an Icon, Aldan is
a hero, Bolts this and that.... Now it turns out that they a a bunch of
cheats with honest-looking faces) or are we all buying into the stereotypes
(they are not dirty cheatting dagos)?
A similar attitude is shown in this group about the anglosaxons... They have
superior ethics: Landis is a religious person (he could not lie), Hamilton
has sworn on Tugboat tombstone, Lance just wanted it harder than anything
else (he would not dare to risk his health after recovery from cancer), Greg
had a miraculous recovery because he had the American mentality and was
"technology" savvy.... Then we have the Chris Boarman and D. Millar (yes he
was supposed to be the same case, a supertalent that could not flourish in a
world of dopers). The could not recover well enough, the others were
doping...
But then there are the dirty southern Europeans with their mafia tactics.
They have laws that make doping a crime (but we know they are not applied).
All major scandals have sent hundreds of their cyclist to the unemployment
ranks (but the must be getting payout from their governments). They have
hundreds of professionals and the stronger cycling traditions (but they are
all dopers, otherwise the champion of my shitty US state would win the TdF
every year out of pure mental strength and pure desire).
What a load of sanctimonious crap!!!
"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org > wrote in message
news:5uld53p6u28rl5k5gbi06tamuqp9np1d9l@4ax.com...
> From the article:
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> Center-left daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, after comparing the systematic
> doping in the Telekom team to the systematic bribery perpetrated by
> Siemens, vents its anger:
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> "It's the same with doping as it is with corruption: as long as
> everyone does it, those who go clean are the losers, while the dirty
> ones win. But in sports, there is a handicap: while the economy is
> stable in the long term, entertainment can collapse at any time. Would
> that be a bad thing? No. Cycle racing would still be a past time for
> private citizens -- more as healthy exercise than as a real sport. But
> competitive racing would become a freak show for just a few. So what?"
>
> "The sport has failed dramatically. And nobody should be so naïve amid
> all the promises of improvement to believe that the sport will change
> its ways. The Spanish, Italians, and French have already experienced a
> scandal like that now being experienced by the Germans -- without
> anything having changed."
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> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,484981,00.html
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Date: 25 May 2007 08:47:07
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Commentary: Biking, Doping and the Death of Racing
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On May 25, 10:10 am, <Montesquiou > wrote:
> "This is an organised mafia that spreads doping practices."
> JM Leblanc last year.
dumbass,
that is a nice myth to promote. that evildoers are responsible for the
doping in cycling. i'm not eager to comdemn the dopers. the 90s
telekom riders doped because it was an attractive option given the
lack or enforcement or intervention by the cycling bosses.
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Date: 25 May 2007 16:10:08
From:
Subject: Re: Commentary: Biking, Doping and the Death of Racing
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org > a écrit dans le message
de news: 5uld53p6u28rl5k5gbi06tamuqp9np1d9l@4ax.com...
> From the article:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Center-left daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, after comparing the systematic
> doping in the Telekom team to the systematic bribery perpetrated by
> Siemens, vents its anger:
>
> "It's the same with doping as it is with corruption: as long as
> everyone does it, those who go clean are the losers, while the dirty
> ones win. But in sports, there is a handicap: while the economy is
> stable in the long term, entertainment can collapse at any time. Would
> that be a bad thing? No. Cycle racing would still be a past time for
> private citizens -- more as healthy exercise than as a real sport. But
> competitive racing would become a freak show for just a few. So what?"
>
> "The sport has failed dramatically. And nobody should be so naïve amid
> all the promises of improvement to believe that the sport will change
> its ways. The Spanish, Italians, and French have already experienced a
> scandal like that now being experienced by the Germans -- without
> anything having changed."
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Read it at
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,484981,00.html
>
>
> J. Spaceman
"This is an organised mafia that spreads doping practices."
JM Leblanc last year.
How true...
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