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Date: 12 Sep 2007 16:02:35
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan of
having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit level.
It wasn't listed!!!
Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption certificate
claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level of 53 down the
drain. Sigh.
(Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but a
bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 13:24:37
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:v4UFi.49963$Um6.1337@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan
> of having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit
> level.
>
> It wasn't listed!!!
>
> Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption
> certificate claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level
> of 53 down the drain. Sigh.
>
> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but
> a bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>
> At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
> taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
Not sure if you were kidding about the saw palmetto Mike but it may be
linked to depressed PSA levels:
"In theory, PSA (prostate specific antigen) levels may be artificially
lowered by saw palmetto, based on a proposed mechanism of action of saw
palmetto (inhibition of 5-#945;-reductase). Therefore, there may be a delay
in diagnosis of prostate cancer, or interference with following PSA levels
during treatment or monitoring in men with known prostate cancer."
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/saw-palmetto/NS_patient-sawpalmetto#31C368F6-E7FF-0DBD-1AB6C908C10BB01F
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 10:03:14
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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> Not sure if you were kidding about the saw palmetto Mike but it may be
> linked to depressed PSA levels:
> "In theory, PSA (prostate specific antigen) levels may be artificially
> lowered by saw palmetto, based on a proposed mechanism of action of saw
> palmetto (inhibition of 5-#945;-reductase). Therefore, there may be a
> delay in diagnosis of prostate cancer, or interference with following PSA
> levels during treatment or monitoring in men with known prostate cancer."
> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/saw-palmetto/NS_patient-sawpalmetto#31C368F6-E7FF-0DBD-1AB6C908C10BB01F
Yes, I'd actually looked into that. Curious thing; they believe there's a
mechanism that could affect that, but so far, in actual studies, that hasn't
been shown to be the case.
http://www.aafp.org/afp/20030315/1281.html
"There has been some concern that saw palmetto could mask prostate cancer by
lowering prostate-specific antigen (PSA) levels. However, a randomized
study10 of more than 1,000 patients did not demonstrate this effect on PSA
levels. The same study showed that finasteride decreased PSA levels by 41
percent."
The literature that shows conern about PSA levels and saw paletto seems to
head back towards a 1997 piece done by Dr. Trabucco, in the middle of tihs
article- http://www.prostatelab.com/contdiet.htm. In it he theorizes that
saw palmetto's mechanism is similar to finasteride, and he goes on to being
critical about the few tests done so far (at that time) that checked for PSA
levels after only 3 months use, while the "mechanism" involved, if the same
as finasteride, would drop PSA levels by 50% after 6-12 months of use.
In any event, it would have had to have that effect on the PSA levels very,
very quickly (since I hadn't taken it that long before the tests).
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 05:29:23
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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On Sep 12, 10:02 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan of
> having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit level.
>
> It wasn't listed!!!
>
> Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption certificate
> claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level of 53 down the
> drain. Sigh.
>
> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but a
> bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>
> At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
> taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
PSA for .007 for me..after my wife's boss had a prostate scare. So
much for riding causing all sorts of plumbing problems, if it ain't
hurtin' me now, it ain't later.
The guy that works at the shop, rides seldom, drinks, well like I do,
meat and potatoes kinda guy, not small, kinda like me, had a
hematocrit of 49!!, plus 130 or so for clorestorol(too lazy to look it
up-sp-10).
I think drinking in moderation is good..my theory- > Alcohol is a
poison, having a wee dram jumpstarts the immune system, kinda like a
innoculation..a shot of bad bugs...I hardly ever get sick...
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 04:47:59
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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In article
<1189686563.069858.183070@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com >,
"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<peter@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Sep 12, 10:02 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan of
> > having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit level.
> >
> > It wasn't listed!!!
> >
> > Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption certificate
> > claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level of 53 down the
> > drain. Sigh.
> >
> > (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
> > tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but a
> > bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
> >
> > At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
> > taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
> >
> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> PSA for .007 for me..after my wife's boss had a prostate scare. So
> much for riding causing all sorts of plumbing problems, if it ain't
> hurtin' me now, it ain't later.
> The guy that works at the shop, rides seldom, drinks, well like I do,
> meat and potatoes kinda guy, not small, kinda like me, had a
> hematocrit of 49!!, plus 130 or so for clorestorol(too lazy to look it
> up-sp-10).
>
> I think drinking in moderation is good..my theory-> Alcohol is a
> poison, having a wee dram jumpstarts the immune system, kinda like a
> innoculation..a shot of bad bugs...I hardly ever get sick...
Any toxicologist will tell you
"The poison is in the dose."
--
Michael Press
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 15:53:39
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-4B5FA0.21475915092007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article
> <1189686563.069858.183070@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
> <peter@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 12, 10:02 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> > So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a
>> > fan of
>> > having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit
>> > level.
>> >
>> > It wasn't listed!!!
>> >
>> > Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption
>> > certificate
>> > claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level of 53 down
>> > the
>> > drain. Sigh.
>> >
>> > (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
>> > tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc...
>> > but a
>> > bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>> >
>> > At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
>> > taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
>> >
>> > --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>> PSA for .007 for me..after my wife's boss had a prostate scare. So
>> much for riding causing all sorts of plumbing problems, if it ain't
>> hurtin' me now, it ain't later.
>> The guy that works at the shop, rides seldom, drinks, well like I do,
>> meat and potatoes kinda guy, not small, kinda like me, had a
>> hematocrit of 49!!, plus 130 or so for clorestorol(too lazy to look it
>> up-sp-10).
>>
>> I think drinking in moderation is good..my theory-> Alcohol is a
>> poison, having a wee dram jumpstarts the immune system, kinda like a
>> innoculation..a shot of bad bugs...I hardly ever get sick...
>
> Any toxicologist will tell you
> "The poison is in the dose."
After all, EPO is as safe as orange juice.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 21:22:35
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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> PSA for .007 for me..after my wife's boss had a prostate scare. So
> much for riding causing all sorts of plumbing problems, if it ain't
> hurtin' me now, it ain't later.
> The guy that works at the shop, rides seldom, drinks, well like I do,
> meat and potatoes kinda guy, not small, kinda like me, had a
> hematocrit of 49!!, plus 130 or so for clorestorol(too lazy to look it
> up-sp-10).
>
> I think drinking in moderation is good..my theory-> Alcohol is a
> poison, having a wee dram jumpstarts the immune system, kinda like a
> innoculation..a shot of bad bugs...I hardly ever get sick...
I simply refuse to get sick. And if I do, I don't let it get to me. My wife
says to rest, don't ride, yada yada yada. So I ride anyway. My theory? If I
rest when sick, it's like telling the nasties that they've won, and they'll
continue to party until they wear themselves out.
The cholesterol numbers were 42/131. First one a bit lower than it could be,
and the second a bit higher. But not terrible.
I'm just thankful I didn't pass out when they drew the blood!
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1189686563.069858.183070@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 12, 10:02 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan
>> of
>> having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit
>> level.
>>
>> It wasn't listed!!!
>>
>> Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption
>> certificate
>> claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level of 53 down
>> the
>> drain. Sigh.
>>
>> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
>> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but
>> a
>> bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>>
>> At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
>> taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> PSA for .007 for me..after my wife's boss had a prostate scare. So
> much for riding causing all sorts of plumbing problems, if it ain't
> hurtin' me now, it ain't later.
> The guy that works at the shop, rides seldom, drinks, well like I do,
> meat and potatoes kinda guy, not small, kinda like me, had a
> hematocrit of 49!!, plus 130 or so for clorestorol(too lazy to look it
> up-sp-10).
>
> I think drinking in moderation is good..my theory-> Alcohol is a
> poison, having a wee dram jumpstarts the immune system, kinda like a
> innoculation..a shot of bad bugs...I hardly ever get sick...
>
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 19:47:14
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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In article <vShGi.26676$eY.3040@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net >,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> I'm just thankful I didn't pass out when they drew the blood!
I had a blood panel done a while back and while I was there I saw another patient
have four tries at getting blood and still not get a hit. He was starting to look
kind of pale to say the least.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 07:42:27
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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>> I'm just thankful I didn't pass out when they drew the blood!
>
> I had a blood panel done a while back and while I was there I saw
> another patient
> have four tries at getting blood and still not get a hit. He was starting
> to look
> kind of pale to say the least.
That was me, last time. They first look at my arms and say wow, great veins!
And then I get nervous and somehow collapse them when they're trying to draw
the blood. I don't know what the difference was this last time; it was the
only time I've ever not had an issue.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 20:15:25
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:v4UFi.49963$Um6.1337@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan
> of having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit
> level.
>
> It wasn't listed!!!
>
> Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption
> certificate claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level
> of 53 down the drain. Sigh.
>
> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but
> a bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>
> At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
> taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
>
Due to a medical problem I usually have blood drawn every Monday. I have
been doing it for years and my normal figure is 42. I guess that I can give
up hope of ever beating Bjarne Riis in a masters race.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 09:09:50
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Frank Drackman wrote:
> Due to a medical problem I usually have blood drawn every Monday. I have
> been doing it for years and my normal figure is 42. I guess that I can
> give up hope of ever beating Bjarne Riis in a masters race.
No, you have that backwards. You've got 18 points to spare! Shoot up,
shut up and clean up.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 21:38:04
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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> Due to a medical problem I usually have blood drawn every Monday. I have
> been doing it for years and my normal figure is 42. I guess that I can
> give up hope of ever beating Bjarne Riis in a masters race.
My apologies to anyone if I appeared overly flippant discussing hematocrit &
psa stuff. It occurs to me that those things that I apparently take for
granted and joke about are deadly serious business for others, and I can
look at what I wrote and see where someone might see it as insensitive. I
hope that whatever your situation, it's nothing more than a nuisance for
you, but you brought home to me what my father went through, and that was
nothing to make fun of. No issues with prostate stuff, but his hematocrit,
rbc & wbc had to be constantly measured. And then my wife just finished a
chemo session for breast cancer (she's doing fine, great long-term
prognosis). Kind of puts things in perspective. I should be more thankful
just for the fact I can swing my leg over the top tube and ride my bike.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:-9SdnXcz2NTaNnXbnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:v4UFi.49963$Um6.1337@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>> So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan
>> of having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit
>> level.
>>
>> It wasn't listed!!!
>>
>> Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption
>> certificate claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level
>> of 53 down the drain. Sigh.
>>
>> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
>> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but
>> a bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>>
>> At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
>> taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
>> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> Due to a medical problem I usually have blood drawn every Monday. I have
> been doing it for years and my normal figure is 42. I guess that I can
> give up hope of ever beating Bjarne Riis in a masters race.
>
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 22:12:39
From: Tom Grosman
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > a écrit dans le message de news:
N83Gi.2858$Sd4.1749@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 15:45:35
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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"Tom Grosman" <grosman@aonix.fr > wrote in message
news:46ec3ce1$0$8928$426a34cc@news.free.fr...
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> N83Gi.2858$Sd4.1749@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 07:36:56
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:N83Gi.2858$Sd4.1749@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Due to a medical problem I usually have blood drawn every Monday. I have
>> been doing it for years and my normal figure is 42. I guess that I can
>> give up hope of ever beating Bjarne Riis in a masters race.
>
> My apologies to anyone if I appeared overly flippant discussing hematocrit
> & psa stuff. It occurs to me that those things that I apparently take for
> granted and joke about are deadly serious business for others, and I can
> look at what I wrote and see where someone might see it as insensitive. I
> hope that whatever your situation, it's nothing more than a nuisance for
> you, but you brought home to me what my father went through, and that was
> nothing to make fun of. No issues with prostate stuff, but his hematocrit,
> rbc & wbc had to be constantly measured. And then my wife just finished a
> chemo session for breast cancer (she's doing fine, great long-term
> prognosis). Kind of puts things in perspective. I should be more thankful
> just for the fact I can swing my leg over the top tube and ride my bike.
>
I am sorry if my message gave the wrong impression. I was trying to show
that HCT levels do not usually hover around the 49.5% that many bicycle
racers seem to average, not call you to task.
I know that the first time my blood was drawn, and that HCT level was
included in the result, I was excited to see the results as it related to
biking. I would have been sorely disappointed if it wasn't included. It
wasn't until later in the journey that I switched my view to look to the
medical affects of all of the numbers.
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 23:36:41
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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> I am sorry if my message gave the wrong impression. I was trying to show
> that HCT levels do not usually hover around the 49.5% that many bicycle
> racers seem to average, not call you to task.
Don't worry, I wasn't thinking you were getting on my case. It was just
that, reading your reply, I realized that it could look like I was being a
bit inconsiderate. Yeah, I know, this is RBR, but I try to be consistent
wherever I am, even though I'd be among friends being a jerk hereabouts.
: >)
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:6v6dnThFi42c1nTbnZ2dnUVZ_vyinZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:N83Gi.2858$Sd4.1749@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> Due to a medical problem I usually have blood drawn every Monday. I
>>> have been doing it for years and my normal figure is 42. I guess that I
>>> can give up hope of ever beating Bjarne Riis in a masters race.
>>
>> My apologies to anyone if I appeared overly flippant discussing
>> hematocrit & psa stuff. It occurs to me that those things that I
>> apparently take for granted and joke about are deadly serious business
>> for others, and I can look at what I wrote and see where someone might
>> see it as insensitive. I hope that whatever your situation, it's nothing
>> more than a nuisance for you, but you brought home to me what my father
>> went through, and that was nothing to make fun of. No issues with
>> prostate stuff, but his hematocrit, rbc & wbc had to be constantly
>> measured. And then my wife just finished a chemo session for breast
>> cancer (she's doing fine, great long-term prognosis). Kind of puts things
>> in perspective. I should be more thankful just for the fact I can swing
>> my leg over the top tube and ride my bike.
>>
>
>
> I am sorry if my message gave the wrong impression. I was trying to show
> that HCT levels do not usually hover around the 49.5% that many bicycle
> racers seem to average, not call you to task.
>
> I know that the first time my blood was drawn, and that HCT level was
> included in the result, I was excited to see the results as it related to
> biking. I would have been sorely disappointed if it wasn't included. It
> wasn't until later in the journey that I switched my view to look to the
> medical affects of all of the numbers.
>
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 20:52:18
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but a
> bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
You must have failed the LIVEDRUNK test.
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 12:17:20
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
>> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but
>> a
>> bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>
> You must have failed the LIVEDRUNK test.
No doubt. Things got scary one year; I was probably up to 20 drinks or so.
Average is probably around 8, evenly spread between mixed drinks (Gin &
Tonic preferred), Beer (Gartenbrau, when I'm on a business trip in WI) and
wine (rarely in the US, more often when I'm in France).
Isn't there an rbr charter that forbids me from participating? I think I've
got the minimum weekly required total for drinks down, at least for that
year I was up to 20, only I've stretched it out to a full year.
--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 09:58:11
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Mike wrote:
> Average is probably around 8, evenly spread between mixed drinks (Gin &
> Tonic preferred), Beer (Gartenbrau, when I'm on a business trip in WI) and
> wine (rarely in the US, more often when I'm in France).
>
> Isn't there an rbr charter that forbids me from participating? I think I've
> got the minimum weekly required total for drinks down, at least for that
> year I was up to 20, only I've stretched it out to a full year.
Don't tell LIVEDRUNK, but I'm afraid I'm even worse. So far this year
I've had three beers as my total alcohol consumption, of which two
of them I ended up pouring half the bottle onto an unsuspecting potplant.
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 10:24:56
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Mike wrote:
>> Average is probably around 8, evenly spread between mixed drinks (Gin &
>> Tonic preferred), Beer (Gartenbrau, when I'm on a business trip in WI) and
>> wine (rarely in the US, more often when I'm in France).
>>
>> Isn't there an rbr charter that forbids me from participating? I think I've
>> got the minimum weekly required total for drinks down, at least for that
>> year I was up to 20, only I've stretched it out to a full year.
>
> Don't tell LIVEDRUNK, but I'm afraid I'm even worse. So far this year
> I've had three beers as my total alcohol consumption, of which two
> of them I ended up pouring half the bottle onto an unsuspecting potplant.
Goddamn healthfreak hippies. ..What was that about pot?
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 10:46:29
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Donald Munro wrote:
>> Don't tell LIVEDRUNK, but I'm afraid I'm even worse. So far this year
>> I've had three beers as my total alcohol consumption, of which two
>> of them I ended up pouring half the bottle onto an unsuspecting potplant.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Goddamn healthfreak hippies. ..What was that about pot?
Beer fed pot doesn't cause depression and schizophrenia. Being Dutch
I would have thought you would be up to date on the latest trends
in potplant cultivation.
I expect the LIVEDRUNKARDS will claim the quality of the beer you
feed your pot affects its taste and potency.
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 11:37:33
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Being Dutch I would have thought you would be up to date
> on the latest trends in potplant cultivation.
You're Dutch too?!
(Sorry.)
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E. Dronkert
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 12:57:34
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Donald Munro wrote:
>> Being Dutch I would have thought you would be up to date
>> on the latest trends in potplant cultivation.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> You're Dutch too?!
> (Sorry.)
I think I've got some Dutch blood so you could say I'm Dutch Lite.
No Dutch blood bags though.
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 16:31:21
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan of
> having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit level.
>
> It wasn't listed!!!
>
> Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption certificate
> claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level of 53 down the
> drain. Sigh.
>
> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but a
> bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>
> At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
> taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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>
>
Of course they're looking for chronic illness, but I'm still a bit
surprised. But it's pretty routine, and you should get a physical from
time to time anyhow...
What is the lab range given for PSA? Changes over time in that range
are probably more important than the raw number. Of course, the value
of PSA as a screening tool are somewhat controversial, because things
other than cancer can cause it to rise.
Steve
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Date: 16 Sep 2007 04:41:24
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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In article <tvUFi.5013$Af1.372@trnddc06 >,
Mark & Steven Bornfeld <bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com >
wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> > So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan of
> > having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit level.
> >
> > It wasn't listed!!!
> >
> > Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption certificate
> > claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level of 53 down the
> > drain. Sigh.
> >
> > (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
> > tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but a
> > bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
> >
> > At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
> > taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
>
> Of course they're looking for chronic illness, but I'm still a bit
> surprised. But it's pretty routine, and you should get a physical from
> time to time anyhow...
> What is the lab range given for PSA? Changes over time in that range
> are probably more important than the raw number. Of course, the value
> of PSA as a screening tool are somewhat controversial, because things
> other than cancer can cause it to rise.
The conditional probabilities of testing is most
interesting. False positive, false negative, and
incidence of the malady in the population interact with
each other. Here is a neat article that lays it out.
<1189223234.206721.32850@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >
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Michael Press
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 09:40:56
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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>> So I finally broke down and got a life insurance physical (I'm not a fan
>> of having blood drawn), and was looking forward to seeing my hematocrit
>> level.
>>
>> It wasn't listed!!!
>>
>> Five weeks of micro-dosing EPO so I could get a health exemption
>> certificate claiming it's normal for me to be to have a hematocrit level
>> of 53 down the drain. Sigh.
>>
>> (Actually, it is curious that they list about 20 different things they
>> tested me for, but nothing for hematocrit or white cell counts etc... but
>> a bazillion ways to test my liver, wasted because I don't drink).
>>
>> At least my PSA level was ridiculously low, at .31 So I'll just keep
>> taking saw palmetto and not worry about it.
> Of course they're looking for chronic illness, but I'm still a bit
> surprised. But it's pretty routine, and you should get a physical from
> time to time anyhow...
You mean more often than once every 15 years? Yes, I know... just like I
paid dearly some time ago for not seeing a dentist in 13 years. Being curled
up in a fetal position on the couch due to the pain caused by a dying tooth
was far worse than the root canal itself. Now I'm pretty religious about
seeing the dentist every 6 months. You've probably seen this in your own
patients. By the way, am I the only person in the world who didn't know that
fillings don't last? That every single one of them will eventually become a
crown? : >)
> What is the lab range given for PSA? Changes over time in that range are
> probably more important than the raw number. Of course, the value of PSA
> as a screening tool are somewhat controversial, because things other than
> cancer can cause it to rise.
The "normal" range for PSA in a 50 year old is apparently from 1.0-2.6.
Anything over 4 is considered time for a biopsy, or so I'm told. And you are
correct about changes to the number being more important for those in the
"safe" range (1.0-2.6) than the number itself. But my level implies I don't
even have a prostate. That visit to the bathroom at 5:15am (almost like a
clock) tells me otherwise.
I'm sure they measured the other stuff (hematocrit, WBC/RBC etc), but just
didn't include them. Funny, that, since a severely elevated White blood cell
count would be one of those things you'd think a life insurance physical
would be looking for, and report on.
>
> Steve
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 11:58:36
From: Diablo Scott
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> I'm sure they measured the other stuff (hematocrit, WBC/RBC etc), but just
> didn't include them. Funny, that, since a severely elevated White blood cell
> count would be one of those things you'd think a life insurance physical
> would be looking for, and report on.
Are you sure they didn't just call it by a different name? Sometimes
those labs use odd abbreviations on the forms.
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 16:59:08
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Disappointed with blood tests (mine)
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>
> You mean more often than once every 15 years? Yes, I know... just like I
> paid dearly some time ago for not seeing a dentist in 13 years. Being curled
> up in a fetal position on the couch due to the pain caused by a dying tooth
> was far worse than the root canal itself. Now I'm pretty religious about
> seeing the dentist every 6 months. You've probably seen this in your own
> patients. By the way, am I the only person in the world who didn't know that
> fillings don't last? That every single one of them will eventually become a
> crown? :>)
That is far more likely to happen with the big fillings. The big
fillings probably are ancient history, but I've seen small fillings last
over 50 years. And when you have to replace a small filling, the
replacement is a slightly larger filling--if you catch the breakdown early.
>
>> What is the lab range given for PSA? Changes over time in that range are
>> probably more important than the raw number. Of course, the value of PSA
>> as a screening tool are somewhat controversial, because things other than
>> cancer can cause it to rise.
>
> The "normal" range for PSA in a 50 year old is apparently from 1.0-2.6.
> Anything over 4 is considered time for a biopsy, or so I'm told. And you are
> correct about changes to the number being more important for those in the
> "safe" range (1.0-2.6) than the number itself. But my level implies I don't
> even have a prostate. That visit to the bathroom at 5:15am (almost like a
> clock) tells me otherwise.
I'm more familiar with prostate cancer than I'd like; my dad has Stage
IV prostate cancer, with spread to his spine. Long story, but he
probably had it for 1-15 years before it was treated. Turns out he had
a PSA of 9000 (!) and decided to do nothing. About 6 months after that
his right leg swelled up. After the tests, he was put on hormones and
his subsequent PSA readings were about 5, then 0.5, then 0.25. We were
told these meds tend to work for 18 months to 2 years before the PSA
starts backing up again.
But he will be 85 on Friday. Oh, he had lung cancer last year, had a
lobe of his lung removed. Given a good prognosis on that. He drives,
he has a lady friend, he lives alone. Go figure.
>
> I'm sure they measured the other stuff (hematocrit, WBC/RBC etc), but just
> didn't include them. Funny, that, since a severely elevated White blood cell
> count would be one of those things you'd think a life insurance physical
> would be looking for, and report on.
Was the report from the lab or the insurance company? If it was the
insurance company, it's worth a call to see if they can send the
original report.
Steve
>> Steve
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
>
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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