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Date: 10 Aug 2007 00:56:14
From: DirtRoadie
Subject: Discovery Channel signs off
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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?coll=la-headlines-business
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down_N.htm
They were about out of riders anyhow.
DR
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Date: 13 Aug 2007 17:35:41
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 12, 6:58 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > <dlw...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:1186775997.116238.254700@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> BS...if they could find a sponsor they would take it.....it can only
> >> be a failure to find a sponsor.....
>
> > My guess is that it was a failure to find a sponsor with deep enough
> > pockets.
>
> --------------
> Bill Gates doesn't have deep pockets??
check out the Red Bull situation with Scott Speed, that's his name
right ? Scott?
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Date: 12 Aug 2007 22:57:31
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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loop not chute.
boris gets a ride.
Stewart does an Armstrong.
Sabates reads rule book.
geee, i hope Col de Prudhomme was watching.
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Date: 12 Aug 2007 15:17:38
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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''NASCAR should have had us qualify tomorrow,'' said Said, who had the
provisional pole at Daytona last month before qualifying was rained
out. ''The Busch race isn't until 3 o'clock in the afternoon. There's
no reason you can't come in here and practice and qualify. They say
they want the small teams, but they don't want the small teams. This
pretty much puts us out of business.''
vodaphone?
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 23:40:34
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 11, 12:10 pm, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> -
>
> http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2007/08/11/
NASCAR TOURS
Before Landis and EPO bicycle racing was bicycle racing, now after L-
EPO or minus Lance, the situation is we're gonna protect our ass and
solve our and YOUR problem.
Problem is every individual race is controlled by a individualistic
group historically at odds with every other individualistic group.
Discovery is not the expeditionary Force or Henry Ford.
The NASCAR scene is an interesting comparison.
Here we have a large group of very talented niggers reaping the
benefits of NASCAR'S mind buckling control of everything the niggers
do or do not do. I was interested in reading the rule book when I read
there is no rule book. Senor Prudhomme!
Discovery or Rasmussen gets the same position of Boris Said and
friends. Here's the rule, it rains so you go home. This is a rule?
The rule eliminates uncompetitive teams, cars and drivers who would
otherwise clutter the track with slow moving debris and squirrels
rendering the entire race unsafe for Marty Robbins and Curtis Turner.
And a preemptive rule! No testing at Watkins. Enlightenment! Prevents
squirrel learning how to right turn. You see where, the chute, that
would be dangerous.
That's what the authentic ruling sports body does:
THE GOVERNING BODY CREATES A FAIR PLAYING FIELD FOR EVERYONE.
Butbutbut the problem with cycling is there are 10-20 governing bodies
all speaking a different language just years away from the last time
the governing bodies were slaughtering each others women and
children.
Joining the opposition is a good idea, right George?
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 16:10:21
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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-
http://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/2007/08/11/
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 14:10:41
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 11, 4:29 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I knew that when Basso quit things were over for Discovery. Hiring
> Discovery was a critical mistake. This DNA privacy arguement was a
> bunch of bull.
>
> In a way this statement is a admission that Johan and the team mgmt
> made a crucial error. The PR ramifications were to large to overcome
> espcially after the Landis affair.
>
> "We made a determination in our own minds," he said. "We can control
> what goes on in our own team but we can't control what goes on in the
> sport and with other teams. We couldn't in good conscious make a
> recommendation to a company to spend the sort of money that would be
> required to sponsor the team, in the current environment.(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2007/discovery_closesdoors07
> )"
>
> But let's be clear this does not in any way prove that Lance has
> doped.
Discovery isn't the NYY. Discovery can say the hell with it and
proceed to another place and time.
If Contador succrumbs to the PR, George goes to better pastures, Levi
bonks, who needs it?
If you gotta fight WW1 every day?
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 01:29:17
From: hizark21@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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I knew that when Basso quit things were over for Discovery. Hiring
Discovery was a critical mistake. This DNA privacy arguement was a
bunch of bull.
In a way this statement is a admission that Johan and the team mgmt
made a crucial error. The PR ramifications were to large to overcome
espcially after the Landis affair.
"We made a determination in our own minds," he said. "We can control
what goes on in our own team but we can't control what goes on in the
sport and with other teams. We couldn't in good conscious make a
recommendation to a company to spend the sort of money that would be
required to sponsor the team, in the current environment.(http://
www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2007/discovery_closesdoors07
)"
But let's be clear this does not in any way prove that Lance has
doped.
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 03:45:41
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 10, 10:30 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> "datakoll" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186797779.372491.259600@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > RIP!
>
> >http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13074.0.html
>
> In light of the reaffirmations of T MOB and LiebfrauMilch, I'm not
> convinced.
think happy thoughts
we were blessed
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 02:02:59
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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RIP!
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13074.0.html
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 21:30:38
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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"datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1186797779.372491.259600@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>
> RIP!
>
> http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13074.0.html
In light of the reaffirmations of T MOB and LiebfrauMilch, I'm not
convinced.
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Date: 12 Aug 2007 17:51:20
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1186797779.372491.259600@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> RIP!
>>
>> http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13074.0.html
>
> In light of the reaffirmations of T MOB and LiebfrauMilch, I'm not
> convinced.
"The departure of Discovery Channel will leave a big hole in the ProTour, leaving the sport without an American-sponsored team in the 20-squad league."
CSC is terminating?
Dan
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Date: 11 Aug 2007 01:23:42
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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> I suspect not many rich sponsors
Liquidity in hedge funds? no boom no racing. I've watched that, it
happens. UGLY!
anyway, some racing teams go on forever, Williams, Tyrell, McLaren,
Lotus, Gilmore Heating and Cooling and some disapppear.
the GREAT MORAL DILEMMA drugs pose for cycle racing are counterpoint
to a reported VAST INCREASE in spectator interest until Prudhomme ASO
decided...
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 21:21:08
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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"datakoll" <datakoll@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1186795422.828201.172650@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>> I suspect not many rich sponsors
>
> Liquidity in hedge funds? no boom no racing. I've watched that, it
> happens. UGLY!
> anyway, some racing teams go on forever, Williams, Tyrell, McLaren,
> Lotus, Gilmore Heating and Cooling and some disapppear.
>
Gilmore Heating and Cooling doesn't do so well in the bulldozer category.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 16:47:51
From: Ernst Blofeld
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 10, 12:56 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com > wrote:
> They were about out of riders anyhow.
I suspect not many rich sponsors wanted to lend their name to a team
that had a good probability of turning up in the next doping scandal.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 12:59:57
From: dlwyr2@aol.com
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 10, 11:30?am, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> How does one interpret this?:
>
> >> "This was a difficult decision, not made any easier by our recent Tour de
> >> France success," general manager Bill Stapleton said in a statement. "We
> >> were in talks with a number of companies about the opportunity and were
> >> confident a new sponsor was imminent. We have chosen, however, to end
> >> those discussions."
>
> >> 1. We could have gotten a sponsor, but we're no longer interested, as
> >> cycling just has too much PR downside.
> >> 2. We were confident we'd get a sponsor, but we're not going to get a
> >> sponsor.
>
> >> Dan
>
> > Given that everything is in past tense, I don't see much confusion. They
> > wanted a sponsor, they thought they were close, but they were essentially
> > strung along and the time by which the needed to have something set in
> > concrete is past.
>
> > And with what the stock market's been doing lately, their luck wasn't likely
> > to change if they were to hold out longer (which they didn't know would be
> > the case when this decision was made).
>
> Interesting quote:http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13071.0.html
>
> Tailwind spokesman PJ Rabice told VeloNews Friday morning that the decision was not based on "a failure to find a new sponsor."
>
> Rabice declined to elaborate, but promised additional information later in the day.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
BS...if they could find a sponsor they would take it.....it can only
be a failure to find a sponsor.....
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 20:52:04
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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<dlwyr2@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1186775997.116238.254700@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> BS...if they could find a sponsor they would take it.....it can only
> be a failure to find a sponsor.....
My guess is that it was a failure to find a sponsor with deep enough
pockets.
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Date: 12 Aug 2007 15:58:46
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> <dlwyr2@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1186775997.116238.254700@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> BS...if they could find a sponsor they would take it.....it can only
>> be a failure to find a sponsor.....
>
> My guess is that it was a failure to find a sponsor with deep enough
> pockets.
--------------
Bill Gates doesn't have deep pockets??
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 12:47:05
From: DirtRoadie
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 10, 12:04 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Possibly a ploy to reinvent themselves as a smaller team with lower
> budget, fewer expectations and less baggage.
i.e., swap places with Slipstream
DR
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 11:59:41
From: Andre
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 9, 9:42 am, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> DirtRoadie wrote:
> >http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?co...
>
> >http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down...
>
> > They were about out of riders anyhow.
>
> > DR
>
> ------------------
> Despite its sterling record, Tailwind
> has been unable to sign a title sponsor
> for the 2008 season. Discovery Channel's
> three-year contract expires this year
> and new corporate management decided
> against extending the deal.
> Discovery, like many other cycling
> teams, has been affected by the doping
> scandals that have damaged the sport's
> reputation in recent years. Although no
> team member has ever been sanctioned for
> doping while on the squad, the team had
> to deal with the issue.
> ------
> Doping has killed cycling, now Levi can
> get a real job. Once all of the
> sponsorship money runs away, then what?
> Even Lance's stock has dropped, have
> you noticed? The only thing that keeps
> Lance a float is the cancer fight stuff
> he does. Greg predicted this, why
> wasn't anyone listening?
Cycling is bigger than ever.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 18:04:33
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 10, 11:21 am, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> DirtRoadie wrote:
> >http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?co...
>
> >http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down...
>
> > They were about out of riders anyhow.
>
> > DR
>
> How does one interpret this?:
>
> "This was a difficult decision, not made any easier by our recent Tour de France success," general manager Bill Stapleton said in a statement. "We were in talks with a number of companies about the opportunity and were confident a new sponsor was imminent. We have chosen, however, to end those discussions."
>
> 1. We could have gotten a sponsor, but we're no longer interested, as cycling just has too much PR downside.
> 2. We were confident we'd get a sponsor, but we're not going to get a sponsor.
>
> Dan
Possibly a ploy to reinvent themselves as a smaller team with lower
budget, fewer expectations and less baggage.
Bret
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 10:21:38
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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DirtRoadie wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?coll=la-headlines-business
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down_N.htm
>
> They were about out of riders anyhow.
>
> DR
>
How does one interpret this?:
"This was a difficult decision, not made any easier by our recent Tour de France success," general manager Bill Stapleton said in a statement. "We were in talks with a number of companies about the opportunity and were confident a new sponsor was imminent. We have chosen, however, to end those discussions."
1. We could have gotten a sponsor, but we're no longer interested, as cycling just has too much PR downside.
2. We were confident we'd get a sponsor, but we're not going to get a sponsor.
Dan
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 10:41:52
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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> How does one interpret this?:
>
> "This was a difficult decision, not made any easier by our recent Tour de
> France success," general manager Bill Stapleton said in a statement. "We
> were in talks with a number of companies about the opportunity and were
> confident a new sponsor was imminent. We have chosen, however, to end
> those discussions."
>
> 1. We could have gotten a sponsor, but we're no longer interested, as
> cycling just has too much PR downside.
> 2. We were confident we'd get a sponsor, but we're not going to get a
> sponsor.
>
> Dan
Given that everything is in past tense, I don't see much confusion. They
wanted a sponsor, they thought they were close, but they were essentially
strung along and the time by which the needed to have something set in
concrete is past.
And with what the stock market's been doing lately, their luck wasn't likely
to change if they were to hold out longer (which they didn't know would be
the case when this decision was made).
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 18:30:35
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> How does one interpret this?:
>>
>> "This was a difficult decision, not made any easier by our recent Tour de
>> France success," general manager Bill Stapleton said in a statement. "We
>> were in talks with a number of companies about the opportunity and were
>> confident a new sponsor was imminent. We have chosen, however, to end
>> those discussions."
>>
>> 1. We could have gotten a sponsor, but we're no longer interested, as
>> cycling just has too much PR downside.
>> 2. We were confident we'd get a sponsor, but we're not going to get a
>> sponsor.
>>
>> Dan
>
> Given that everything is in past tense, I don't see much confusion. They
> wanted a sponsor, they thought they were close, but they were essentially
> strung along and the time by which the needed to have something set in
> concrete is past.
>
> And with what the stock market's been doing lately, their luck wasn't likely
> to change if they were to hold out longer (which they didn't know would be
> the case when this decision was made).
>
Interesting quote:
http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/13071.0.html
Tailwind spokesman PJ Rabice told VeloNews Friday morning that the decision was not based on "a failure to find a new sponsor."
Rabice declined to elaborate, but promised additional information later in the day.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 09:59:56
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 10, 3:56 am, DirtRoadie <DirtRoa...@aol.com > wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?co...
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down...
>
> They were about out of riders anyhow.
I was wondering what was up with Discovery when the rumor of Hincapie
riding for T-Mobile next year popped up after the Tour. I figured he
would be one of the first ones informed of any monumental changes.
R
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 06:58:26
From: need more sun
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 10, 3:06 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1186732574.300586.5010@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?co...
>
> >http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down...
>
> > They were about out of riders anyhow.
>
> This has to be the greatest news ever to most of the group here.
It's Karma, Tom, it's Karma.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 17:51:28
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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need more sun wrote:
> On Aug 10, 3:06 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "DirtRoadie" <DirtRoa...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1186732574.300586.5010@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?co...
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down...
>>> They were about out of riders anyhow.
>> This has to be the greatest news ever to most of the group here.
>
> It's Karma, Tom, it's Karma.
>
I'll see your Karma, and raise you a schadenfreude.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 13:06:14
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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"DirtRoadie" <DirtRoadie@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1186732574.300586.5010@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?coll=la-headlines-business
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down_N.htm
>
> They were about out of riders anyhow.
This has to be the greatest news ever to most of the group here.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 05:04:54
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Aug 10, 6:46 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:42:52 -0700, Crescentius Vespasianus
>
> <jazzyb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Doping has killed cycling, now Levi can
> >get a real job.
>
> Right. There will be no bike racing at all due to doping. Right.
> --
> JT
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Didn't you see Telekom, and Nordmilch and pull the plug earlier this
week? Oh, yeah they didn't.
Bill C
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Date: 09 Aug 2007 06:42:52
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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DirtRoadie wrote:
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-sp-cycle10aug10,1,3407791.story?coll=la-headlines-business
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2007-08-10-discovery-shut-down_N.htm
>
> They were about out of riders anyhow.
>
> DR
>
------------------
Despite its sterling record, Tailwind
has been unable to sign a title sponsor
for the 2008 season. Discovery Channel's
three-year contract expires this year
and new corporate management decided
against extending the deal.
Discovery, like many other cycling
teams, has been affected by the doping
scandals that have damaged the sport's
reputation in recent years. Although no
team member has ever been sanctioned for
doping while on the squad, the team had
to deal with the issue.
------
Doping has killed cycling, now Levi can
get a real job. Once all of the
sponsorship money runs away, then what?
Even Lance's stock has dropped, have
you noticed? The only thing that keeps
Lance a float is the cancer fight stuff
he does. Greg predicted this, why
wasn't anyone listening?
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 06:46:50
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Discovery Channel signs off
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On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:42:52 -0700, Crescentius Vespasianus
<jazzyboss@hotmail.com > wrote:
>Doping has killed cycling, now Levi can
>get a real job.
Right. There will be no bike racing at all due to doping. Right.
--
JT
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